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Media: Thailand refused Ukrainian T-84, ordering Chinese VT-4 instead.

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Ministry of Defense of Thailand signed a contract for the acquisition of China tanks VT-4, refusing T-84 previously ordered in Ukraine, the supply of which was hopelessly delayed, reports Look with reference to the portal Thaiarmedforce.com.




Neither the contract value, nor the exact number of tanks are disclosed.

“The goal of the first stage of the program is to purchase a battalion of new tanks to evaluate all aspects of their operation and maintenance. It is assumed that the delivery will be completed within two years ", - writes a resource, citing its source in the Thai army.

The report states that "The ground forces of Thailand need 200 new tanks, and if the Chinese tanks VT-4 show themselves positive, the military intend to purchase additional vehicles of this type."

According to the source, “most likely, the production of VT-4 will be carried out in China, however, the transfer of a number of technologies to Thailand is stated in the contract”. The interlocutor noted that “The Defense Technology Institute of Thailand will become one of the recipients of these technologies.”

The newspaper reminds that, according to the contract from 2011, Ukraine should have delivered 49 tanks "Oplot-T" to Thailand for about $ 240 million. However, only 10 vehicles have been supplied so far.
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  1. Abbra
    Abbra 17 May 2016 10: 04
    +33
    On the one hand, having learned about the next failure of Svidomo, you feel a sense of deep satisfaction, and on the other, I would like Thailand to acquire our tanks ...
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 17 May 2016 10: 05
      +23
      Ukraine is a cemetery of tanks.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 17 May 2016 10: 08
        +20
        What kind of cemetery is this? This is quite a "storage" ... The export potential of Ukraine on the world arms market! And the potential of the "strongest army of the continent" too, two in one! The pride of any Svidomo mind! laughing
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 May 2016 10: 20
          +7
          Quote: Abbra
          On the one hand, having learned about the next failure of Svidomo, you feel a sense of deep satisfaction, and on the other, I would like Thailand to acquire our tanks ...


          Later they will come to us, but for now we need to equip our own, a lot needs to be modernized - we do not have time.
        2. just exp
          just exp 17 May 2016 10: 21
          +4
          oga. especially the bottom photo "storage, such storage" pancake tanks fold the turret.
        3. Altona
          Altona 17 May 2016 12: 29
          +2
          Quote: Observer 33
          The export potential of Ukraine in the global arms market!

          -------------------
          The "strongest army on the continent" now needs tanks. Thailand will wait. laughing
      2. DMB_95
        DMB_95 17 May 2016 10: 28
        +2
        Well this is necessary - so the Kharkov school of tank building was ruined! Tanks with intercoms created. And the Chinese are six-skater ..
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 17 May 2016 10: 49
        +4
        Media: Thailand refused Ukrainian T-84, ordering Chinese VT-4 instead.

        Another but not the last zaklosvidomita zrada.

        Quote: Thrall
        Ukraine is a cemetery of tanks.

        It is from this scrap metal that the skippers collect their "strongholds". Car locksmiths from Latvia share their experience with their new ideological friends lol
      4. Abbra
        Abbra 17 May 2016 10: 55
        +3
        I have a feeling that if you take out a support from the nearest scrap metal, then everything will collapse. They inside were long ago dismantled and stolen.
      5. evil partisan
        evil partisan 17 May 2016 11: 17
        +4
        Quote: Thrall
        cemetery of tanks.

        stop
        This is a repository of potential "Strongholds" yes .
      6. drunkram
        drunkram 17 May 2016 11: 36
        +4
        In honor of this cemetery, even a map was created in the notorious Battlefield 4 game.
      7. Konstantin Yu
        Konstantin Yu 18 May 2016 15: 36
        0
        Not only tanks ........... Ukraine cemetery contracts
    2. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 17 May 2016 10: 17
      +6
      The Chinese are really pushing us into the arms markets, something needs to be done. recourse
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 17 May 2016 10: 18
      +11
      Here is a cemetery for two years. RMB on the picture and "Open Image".
      1. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 17 May 2016 11: 05
        +12
        Quote: Sith Lord
        in two years

        Vladyka, these are serious numbers. to be honest, I doubt such losses. maybe there are some sales "to the left"? to lose 353 carnations it is necessary to be able of course. Why did they go into a tank attack?
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 17 May 2016 11: 21
          +1
          I believe that at least half of the lost equipment was squeezed by the army of New Russia. But for the Outskirts, it’s still irreparable loss.
        2. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 17 May 2016 11: 36
          +3
          Quote: Olegovi4
          Vladyka, these are serious numbers. to be honest, I doubt such losses. maybe there are some sales "to the left"? to lose 353 carnations it is necessary to be able of course. Why did they go into a tank attack?

          Naturally, these figures do not reflect the full picture, for example, for the same "Carnations", some were deactivated, so there were more losses. As for the losses themselves, most of the losses are technical. When they bring the self-propelled guns by railway platforms, then to the artillery brigade, and there they even came up with the name of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "a gift from Poroshenko" they think they will shove them. The self-propelled guns are not safe to use, the barrel is cracked or the engine is not on the move, as a result, they write in losses from the separatists, and are dismantled for spare parts for other self-propelled guns. And there were many abandoned equipment during the retreat and the boilers, for various reasons.
        3. g1v2
          g1v2 17 May 2016 12: 40
          +6
          Yes, no. In 2013, a lot of equipment only existed on papers. There was little serviceable of it at all - only the standard one in parts. Plus, it was actively disassembled for parts. Tch is not worth it to believe so in paper figures. But some positions are confirmed by Lostarmore. The huge losses of the same d30 are partially true, and partially - transferred to ng. There are a lot of hailstones really lost in the whole world and now there is really a shortage of them. There were still heavy RSZOs in storage, but they had nothing to shoot - not enough bp. BMP 2 really lost a lot, but BMP 1 in storage was mostly rubbish and went for parts. Armored personnel carriers 80 are lost in battles, and armored personnel carriers 70 in the majority turned out to be only corps without a filling, but listed in storage.
          In general, the difference between the figures of 2013 and 2016 is not only losses, but also the removal of equipment that existed only on paper.
          In principle, the numbers for 2016 from other sources are mostly similar to these, in principle they can be trusted. However, the same tanks are far from all on the go - many are only on paper. request
        4. alexmach
          alexmach 17 May 2016 12: 44
          +1
          Nonsense all this. There can be no such losses physically. Either they wrote off something or the usual disinformation. The numbers on tanks simply do not converge. Losses of tanks in total - 322 of them T-64 390. It's like in that joke about Napoleon and the soldier.
        5. karbofos
          karbofos 17 May 2016 12: 57
          0
          Are you surprised that Ukrainians can go to the tank attack on the carnations?
    4. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 17 May 2016 10: 25
      +3
      Given that a local minister traveled to Russia and was received by the prime minister in the Kremlin, anything is possible. And not just about tanks.
      Thailand is being militarized at a slow pace.
    5. weksha50
      weksha50 17 May 2016 10: 36
      +1
      Quote: Abbra
      so that Thailand gets our tanks ..



      Prices are obviously radically different ...
    6. Kars
      Kars 17 May 2016 11: 39
      +3
      incorrect information) Thailand did not refuse the contract for 50 strongholds) he bought 150 Chinese tanks. And yes) if they had done it on time, the mentioned 150 would also have bought Strongholds.
    7. vkl.47
      vkl.47 17 May 2016 11: 49
      +1
      I would like to see the tanks of the world in action at the beathlon; I think it would be interesting to everyone
  2. dsm100
    dsm100 17 May 2016 10: 05
    +2
    VT-4 looks much more modern than Oplot. They will also have a better filling.
    1. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 17 May 2016 10: 08
      +3
      Where such confidence?
    2. godofwar6699
      godofwar6699 17 May 2016 10: 13
      +1
      VT4 MBT-3000
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 May 2016 10: 05
    +8
    Thailand abandoned the Ukrainian T-84

    Another zrada. Yes, how many more are these hardships needed for Kiev to finally understand that it is in complete shit and it is time to take on the Slavic, and not the European (Bandera) mind.
    1. Mixweb
      Mixweb 17 May 2016 10: 09
      +14
      Quote: rotmistr60
      and how many more these zrad are needed for Kiev to finally understand that it is in complete shit and it’s time to take on the Slavic, and not the European (Bandera) mind.

      Kiev understands everything perfectly. But the authorities do not care about the country. They were not given power so that Ukraine would flourish. They just fulfill Uncle Sam’s order.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 17 May 2016 10: 25
        0
        But the authorities do not care about the country

        The word Kiev naturally means the Ukrainian government. So that Kiev did not understand and does not want to understand.
  4. Engineer
    Engineer 17 May 2016 10: 11
    +2
    So ours flew too. The Chinese are crushing our traditional weapons market. It is good that they cannot provide anything competitive in the aviation market so far. Until...
    1. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 17 May 2016 10: 26
      +7
      When did Thai become a traditional Russian market? It was perhaps for tourists
  5. Polar Bear
    Polar Bear 17 May 2016 10: 17
    -1
    The Ministry of Defense of Thailand signed a contract for the purchase of VT-4 tanks from China, abandoning the T-84 previously ordered in Ukraine, the supply of which was hopelessly delayed

    The "unhappy square" will again have to borrow money from the West. These have profited.
  6. SIMM
    SIMM 17 May 2016 10: 22
    0
    No wonder ...
  7. techie
    techie 17 May 2016 10: 27
    0
    The remaining 39 tanks will go to New Russia. Is free. As trophies laughing
  8. CORNET
    CORNET 17 May 2016 10: 33
    +2
    Again threw Ukraine ... Probably also require a penalty! laughing
  9. Igor39
    Igor39 17 May 2016 10: 34
    +1
    Putin campaign implicated in zrad, not?
  10. weksha50
    weksha50 17 May 2016 10: 34
    +3
    "Thailand abandoned the Ukrainian T-84, ordering Chinese VT- instead4 "...

    Now I caught myself thinking that he himself became like that Khakhla, who was joyful when the cow died at his neighbor ... Well, this joy will come to me in joy !!!
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 17 May 2016 10: 44
      +1
      Guys, tankers, clarify what kind of booking is this?
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 17 May 2016 11: 06
        +3
        The lung, from bullets and fragments, on top of the DZ, must be assumed ...
      2. yehat
        yehat 17 May 2016 11: 42
        +3
        this decision is made from a leopard.
        a frame is welded in front of the tower and layers of armor are placed there.
        the Chinese talk about the general dimensions and against cumulative charges it makes sense, but inside there are voids and the total armor is not thicker than on leopard-2, which essentially shows that armor against armor-piercing shells is not at all better than many other machines.
  11. Moore
    Moore 17 May 2016 10: 35
    +1
    I hope the Thais still rip off forfeit from maydowns for violation of the terms of the contract.
  12. atamankko
    atamankko 17 May 2016 10: 35
    0
    Again dill in shit.
    1. cap
      cap 17 May 2016 11: 54
      0
      Quote: atamankko
      Again dill in shit.


      Tell me, when did they get out of there?
      How did they leave the USSR and there they sit.
      Probably like it.
  13. iliya87
    iliya87 17 May 2016 10: 36
    +2
    Another 3-5 years and Ukraine will be able to supply only prostitutes in unlimited quantities. Can't the citizens themselves see the "zrada" in the country? Oh yes, they won the Eurovision song contest - it's very cool! Now all things will go uphill!
  14. Londom
    Londom 17 May 2016 10: 45
    +2
    I love our media. "Thailand has abandoned Ukrainian T-84s and ordered Chinese VT-4s instead." At the same time, bashfully forgetting to mention that the Thais also considered our T-90MS to replace the "Oplot" and even a delegation to UVZ came, as well as to the Chinese. Apparently the Chinese tank either for the price or for the characteristics of the Thais liked it more.
    1. RUSIVAN
      RUSIVAN 17 May 2016 10: 56
      +1
      The tank in the first place is not only the characteristics on paper and the price, it is the ability to show worthy in real conditions, but the question is, in which real battles did the Chinese tank be used? Nevertheless, Thailand has the right to decide for itself what they should buy, maybe they have their own personal affairs with the Chinese ...
      1. yehat
        yehat 17 May 2016 11: 48
        +3
        VT4 is still new and raw, but the Chinese already have some experience and, I think, in the mountainous and sandy areas it will show itself quite normally.
        I wonder how he will behave in the jungle, swamps, rough terrain.
        it also seems to me that the Chinese did not quite correctly calculate the balance of the car and the excessive load on the front rollers will make itself felt - the tank’s real mobility will be much more modest than in the booklets.
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 17 May 2016 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: LondoM
      I love our media. "Thailand has abandoned Ukrainian T-84s and ordered Chinese VT-4s instead." At the same time, bashfully forgetting to mention that the Thais also considered our T-90MS to replace the "Oplot" and even a delegation to UVZ came, as well as to the Chinese. Apparently the Chinese tank either for the price or for the characteristics of the Thais liked it more.

      The fact is that ours is unlikely to want to transfer technology to Thailand. Yes, and + in the next few years, all capacities will be loaded with T-14, because they want to rivet a lot of them.
    3. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 17 May 2016 19: 36
      0
      Another thing is whether Tay can pull and how reliable he is as a payer.
  15. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 17 May 2016 10: 52
    0
    Thailand abandoned the Ukrainian T-84

    But aren't these the tanks that disappeared from the exclusion zone near Chernobyl?
  16. newcomer
    newcomer 17 May 2016 11: 09
    +4
    actually Thais initially wanted exactly our t90. but ours did not want to transfer technology to them, I think they did it right. therefore, the Thais took BT4, the so-called tank for the poor. A very stripped-down version of 4 mbt3000 watts.
  17. Arkan
    Arkan 17 May 2016 11: 15
    +1
    Media: Thailand abandoned the Ukrainian T-84, ordering the Chinese VT-4 instead.


    This is to be expected. Due to the collapse of their military-industrial complex, Ukrainians cannot put products on stream. They are still dealing with handicraft, and they have never been serious manufacturers of weapons.
  18. silver169
    silver169 17 May 2016 11: 27
    +3
    Kakly again crap, however, as always.
  19. maxim1987
    maxim1987 17 May 2016 11: 36
    +2
    Quote: LondoM
    I love our media. "Thailand has abandoned Ukrainian T-84s and ordered Chinese VT-4s instead." At the same time, bashfully forgetting to mention that the Thais also considered our T-90MS to replace the "Oplot" and even a delegation to UVZ came, as well as to the Chinese. Apparently the Chinese tank either for the price or for the characteristics of the Thais liked it more.


    Thailand just wanted to catch up with production technology, so we didn’t agree
  20. avva2012
    avva2012 17 May 2016 11: 47
    +3
    Well, all of them in the bath. This video, I liked it more.
  21. cap
    cap 17 May 2016 11: 56
    +2
    The flagship of the Northern Fleet, the nuclear-powered missile cruiser Peter the Great, set sail for the first time in two years. This was reported in the press service of the fleet.
    Read more: http://eadaily.com/en/news/2016/05/16/krupneyshiy-v-mire-atomnyy-kreyser-petr-ve
    likiy-vyshel-v-more-posle-remonta

    Not really in the subject. But nice.
  22. Verdun
    Verdun 17 May 2016 12: 00
    +1
    Thailand abandoned the Ukrainian T-84, ordering Chinese VT-4 instead
    Normal decision in the interests of the country. The T-84 is no longer a new machine, and Ukraine does not fulfill delivery obligations. Our T-90 is no stranger either. For obvious reasons, the Thais did not offer armata. And they chose an inexpensive promising tank + technology transfer. Moreover, they chose to try and evaluate. It will be interesting to look at the results of this assessment. If the supply of VT-4 increases, then the tank is not bad and you need to take it seriously.
  23. black
    black 17 May 2016 12: 53
    0
    Thais have a Chinese tank, only the tracks will change and go. Fortunately, they already have experience. For counter-guerrilla warfare or a small regional conflict, such tanks are just right. Cheap and cheerful.
  24. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 May 2016 12: 59
    -1
    The T-90 also participated in this tender. For the price did not pass.
  25. Lanista
    Lanista 17 May 2016 13: 03
    0
    Quote: Abbra
    On the one hand, having learned about the next failure of Svidomo, you feel a sense of deep satisfaction, and on the other, I would like Thailand to acquire our tanks ...

    Do not worry! Chinese tanks are also a Russian (Soviet) tank building school.
  26. Evil 55
    Evil 55 17 May 2016 13: 23
    0
    UKRALinskiy "Oplot" has turned into a concrete "Zalyot", with a tendency of a clear transition to a clear "Zalyot" ..
  27. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 May 2016 13: 34
    0
    So let's look at the reliability of the Chinese in comparison with the Bastion.
  28. the47th
    the47th 17 May 2016 13: 43
    0
    This is such a breakthrough! Now the tanks already delivered can be taken back and with new strength to repel the attacks of the Buryat Armored Division, which almost reached Kiev. Or maybe it’s also meanly annexed Crimea to return.
  29. uskrabut
    uskrabut 17 May 2016 13: 44
    0
    With dill, this is the way it should be: in the morning tanks - in the evening fat.

    Nothing, the Thais ride on Chinese armor and realize that the rest of the tanks must be bought from the Russians.
  30. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 18 May 2016 15: 53
    0
    Dill in its style --- Kotract cemetery works

    You notice, the Chinese from socks to shirts, then to telephones, then cars, now we got to the tanks, soon things will get to the planes .. Guys work ... they breathe in the back in the back. Our further need to create ..
  31. Alex0782
    Alex0782 19 May 2016 01: 29
    0
    It is very sad and makes you think that Thailand has refused our T-90 in the Chinese pole ...