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Great decrepit US Army

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Over the past few years, generals - members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have painted a bleak picture of the state of the armed forces in front of US lawmakers and society.

"... The degree of combat readiness of the army has degraded to the lowest level in the last 20 years" - this was how the four-star General Ray Odierno, Chief of the Army Staff, Commander-in-Chief of the Land Forces of the United States, clearly defined the situation in the military, reporting to the Senate Committee on Armed Forces January 2015 of the year.

Reporting a year later, the successor to Odierno, General Mark Millie further tightened his assessment. “The army today is not ready to use large forces and formations ...” he said, answering a question about the prospects of the United States in a theoretical conflict with Russia, China, Iran or North Korea.

“... We have a lot of units and formations that are in a low stage of combat readiness ...” - explained Milli, stressing that combat-ready units — equipped with a sufficient number of personnel, serviceable equipment, and appropriate training facilities — are several times lagging behind conservation units.

Admirals report that on fleets - the same picture. The US Navy has a growing backlog of routine ship maintenance. Today, the volume of current maintenance repairs is 57% of what is required according to technological maps. A recent report cited the example of a naval aviation wing, whose F / A-18 Hornet did not receive spare parts for 18 months, and commanders, in order to ensure at least some part of the aircraft for readiness for flight, in violation of all instructions and rules, transferred units from one plane to another.

Air Force generals report that only half of the fighter pilots, including elite units equipped with the most advanced F-22 Raptor, receive the full range of necessary training. Expensive to fly. Moreover, the Raptors pilots have even lower practical experience than the average combat aviation, - for the same reason, replacing practical flights with "primitive lessons on simulators." In total, the Air Force command completely "grounded" - transferred to the conservation mode, without flights - more than thirty squadrons.

The generals of the Marine Corps say the same thing. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the JSS and the general of the marines himself, agreed with the conclusion made by Mac Thornberry, chairman of the committee on the armed forces of the House of Representatives: “... We have extremely low preparedness across the whole range of tasks, especially for special operations that [the corps Marine Corps].

In order to understand how this could happen, you need to look carefully at the political and doctrinal support for military construction in the United States.

The US military has been caught in a maelstrom of reform, which has been brewing for decades, from the mid-1980s.

Disruptive reforms reached hurricane power in the reign of President Barack Obama, four times the Minister of Defense. In the end, when, after the resignation of Chuck Hagel, the White House’s inability to persuade at least someone to lead the Pentagon, became the political anecdote of the season in local publications, Obama settled on Ashe Carter, a man who did not wear a military uniform for a single day and whose experience in military construction was limited a short period of civilian office at the Pentagon during the reign of Bill Clinton twenty years ago.

The engine of this reform was the Budget Control Act of 2011 of the Year, the result of a bipartisan agreement between an extremely liberal democratic White House and a conservative Republican majority in the House of Representatives.

The Republicans did not intend to destroy the army - their task was to protect Barack Obama’s insane social spending, like the Obamakea, or the free higher education project at low-profile provincial colleges. But the nuts on the budget had to be tightened around the perimeter, the White House would not allow to separate the armed forces with a separate line - for him this would mean a political defeat.

The law, which currently forms the fourth out of ten budgets that are included in its duration, is moving toward reducing total defense spending by about 20% of what was planned in the draft budget for the year 2011 - about a total of $ 1,5 trillion.

The maximum sequestration occurred in 2013, when, due to a confrontation between the White House and Congress, which resulted in the absence of the current state budget for the United States, the most radical provisions of the adopted law automatically entered into force.

All the generals and admirals in the world are the same. If they are required to save - this is not a reason to reduce the number of subordinates, especially since it is the formal list staff that creates the general's posts. As a result, for example, at some point only 10% from more than forty formally existing brigades of ground forces of the army were fully staffed.

The position of the generals led also to the fact that the largest reduction fell on the core of army professionals - junior and middle officers. The generals did not intend to cut themselves, but the soldiers and sergeants formed the basis for the preservation of the general's posts.

According to a report by congressional experts, the armed forces “succeeded” in reducing 30% of the captains who joined the army during the campaigns in Iraq.

No less "sequesters" were waiting for the US defense strategy. This was the second destructive reform - plunged the military construction of America into a deep crisis.

First of all, the White House rewrote defense policy goals. The focus was on the task of “restoring the balance” in the Pacific - to prevent Russia from returning its position in the waters of Asia and off the coast of the United States and to stop the advancement of China’s military infrastructure in the southern seas.

Since the end of the Cold War, the previous administrations of both sides have assumed that, as the main world power, the United States should have been ready to wage two major regional wars simultaneously. By announcing his departure from the Middle East and calling Europe a region of "eternal peace", the White House was able to significantly lower the bar of military sufficiency.

However, in 2012, there was still no military conflict in the Donbass, a break in relations between NATO and Russia. The “Islamic State” did not exist yet and the Syrian war did not go on.

In other words, the geopolitical realities forced even the slow Obama administration to redeploy forces, while it retained - under the Budget Control Act of 2011 - all plans to reduce military spending. There was a severe imbalance between the strategic goals of military doctrine and the real military presence card.

Perhaps the most notable manifestation of this problem is the emptiness of “rebalancing” in the Pacific.

The combination of a reduction in the fleet and unforeseen commitments elsewhere in the oceans (primarily in the Mediterranean and in the Persian Gulf) led to the fact that the fleet was not sufficiently present in the western Pacific, and especially in the South China Sea. In the four years since the day when the “balancing strategy” was announced, the US Navy was not able to have two aircraft carriers in this ocean theater for even one month.

In April, US Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter told national television stations in front of the cameras when the aircraft carrier "Stennits" was sailing through the South China Sea: "... We have been here [in Asia] for decades ... and will remain for decades ..." The John Stennits case was in the South China Sea for just a week - he participated in the support of the Great Green Fleet program, in which the US Navy reports to the public about its victories ... over global warming.

The same happens in other theaters.

In the first two years of his presidency, Barack Obama reduced the planned purchases of the fleet of fifth-generation fighter F-22 Raptor to 187 aircraft instead of the 750 aircraft originally planned. As a result, in response to the Russian operation of videoconferencing in Syria, the Americans had to transfer the Raptors from Alaska, removing them from the position of patrolling the "priority" Pacific Ocean to the Middle East.

In the US Army in 1991, there were 780 000 soldiers; By the end of the fiscal year 2018, funds are provided only for 420 000.

The navy consisted approximately of 500 ships; today he is on his way to the ship's planned 282 digit. Today, aircraft carriers in the Arabian Sea are charged with providing direct aviation support for remote combat outposts in Afghanistan, but the price and complexity of such operations is enormous, and the flight time leaves ground units for a long time without any cover at all.

The same picture in aviation: in the Air Force there were 26 tactical fighter aircraft wings on 70 aircraft in each - 14 wings on 50 aircraft were planned.

It is unlikely that Russia should be lamenting that the US military potential is melting. But this is only if the policy of the new administration of the White House will be the refusal of the "export of democracy" and the position of the "world gendarme".

If interventionalism — political and inevitably the military behind it — remains the dominant ideology, then the growing inability of the United States to maintain the status of a “world military superpower” may cause serious new risks for Russia.

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  1. razmik72
    razmik72 17 May 2016 21: 49
    +27
    "Hegemon" has grown weak or is pretending to be weak, so that they would throw more budget money, that is the question?
    1. Sid.74
      17 May 2016 22: 00
      +9
      Quote: razmik72
      "Hegemon" has grown weak or pretends to be weak

      Good question.what But the hegemon has problems ... that's for sure.

      Suddenly...
      The US Senate passed a law that would allow families of those killed in the September 11 attacks of September 2011 to file lawsuits against the government of Saudi Arabia. Reports about it on Tuesday Associated Press.

      According to the agency, the upper house of Congress approved the "Justice Against Terrorist Sponsors" Act, despite Riyadh's threats to withdraw billions of dollars from the US economy if such a law comes into force. Http://www.interfax.ru/world/508790

      News of the American gas station.
      CNN: oil prices rose too late for the US
      "This is the harsh reality: oil prices are recovering too late, and it will not be possible to save many American oil companies, sinking in debt," - states CNN.
      http://politrussia.com/news/cnn-tsena-na-962/

      And really late to drink Borjomi ...
      Yesterday, 16 in May, one of the largest US oil companies, SanRidge Energy, filed for bankruptcy, whose debt to creditors is approximately four billion dollars. On Sunday, Breitburn Energy Partners, specializing in oil exploration and oil production, also announced the start of bankruptcy proceedings. In addition, last week, similar statements were made by US companies lINN Energy with 10-billion debt and Penn Virginia, producing shale oil.

      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 18 May 2016 02: 11
        0
        In the queue bitches of children .. In the queue!
        Quote: Sid.74
        Quote: razmik72
        "Hegemon" has grown weak or pretends to be weak

        Good question.what But the hegemon has problems ... that's for sure.

        Suddenly...
        The US Senate passed a law that would allow families of those killed in the September 11 attacks of September 2011 to file lawsuits against the government of Saudi Arabia. Reports about it on Tuesday Associated Press.

        According to the agency, the upper house of Congress approved the "Justice Against Terrorist Sponsors" Act, despite Riyadh's threats to withdraw billions of dollars from the US economy if such a law comes into force. Http://www.interfax.ru/world/508790

        News of the American gas station.
        CNN: oil prices rose too late for the US
        "This is the harsh reality: oil prices are recovering too late, and it will not be possible to save many American oil companies, sinking in debt," - states CNN.
        http://politrussia.com/news/cnn-tsena-na-962/

        And really late to drink Borjomi ...
        Yesterday, 16 in May, one of the largest US oil companies, SanRidge Energy, filed for bankruptcy, whose debt to creditors is approximately four billion dollars. On Sunday, Breitburn Energy Partners, specializing in oil exploration and oil production, also announced the start of bankruptcy proceedings. In addition, last week, similar statements were made by US companies lINN Energy with 10-billion debt and Penn Virginia, producing shale oil.
        1. nadezhiva
          nadezhiva 18 May 2016 07: 02
          +8
          One of the latest news about the "great" US army. Will raise morale, so to speak, through the ass winked

          The Senate of the US Congress on Tuesday unanimously approved the candidacy of Eric Fanning for the post of Minister of the Army, who is subordinate to the Secretary of Defense and coordinates the work of the US ground forces. Fanning had previously been Acting Deputy Secretary of Defense.

          Fanning will succeed John Macew, who is retiring, as Minister of the Army. The new minister is considered a close adviser to the incumbent Pentagon head Ashton Carter, RIA Novosti notes.

          An openly gay man, Fanning received the post of head of the largest US military branch amid a policy of integrating gays and lesbians into the armed forces. The U.S. LGBT community has already welcomed his appointment. For example, the famous TV presenter and lesbian Ellen Degeneres congratulated him on her Twitter.
        2. Kostyar
          Kostyar 18 May 2016 11: 07
          +2
          The most of them (western sucks), the main problem is that they always underestimated us !!!

          ps: but essessed themselves overestimated! So they get on the head constantly !!!
      2. Foxmara
        Foxmara 20 May 2016 17: 50
        0
        Quote: Sid.74
        And really late to drink Borjomi ...

        One will go bankrupt, the other will buy everything and go at high prices. We did this in the 90s. Shyrlyamyrlya LLC does not pay ZP for six months, a new Myrlyashrlyl LLC is opened, workers are taken there, paid a month behind and everyone is happy. Nobody even thought of returning old debts, sometimes even managers did not change.
    2. Monos
      Monos 17 May 2016 22: 12
      +53
      Quote: razmik72
      "Hegemon" has grown weak or is pretending to be weak, so that they would throw more budget money, that is the question?


      Not at all. They really have a problem. It's just that after the collapse of the Union, they decided that global wars are a thing of the past (well, who dares to challenge the hegemon?) And reoriented their armed forces to local conflicts with small countries. And against them, and what was created and built during the Cold War is enough.
      For example, the M109A6 Paladin ACS. It shoots at 22 km ("Msta-s" - 25 km), rate of fire - 1,6 v / m ("Msta" - 8-10), separate-cap loading, etc. Experts still throw in a bunch of all sorts of absurdities, but I'd rather show the video. Pryzhom.



      For comparison, "Msta-S":

      1. Bradypodidae
        Bradypodidae 17 May 2016 22: 19
        -48%
        Another shapkozakidatelstvo. The USA has about 1000 M109 in the army and in storage. How many Msta-S does Russia have? I don't think there are even hundreds. If we compare the main art systems of the USA and Russia, then we need to compare the M109 and "Akatsia" You are deceiving yourself.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 May 2016 22: 31
          +49
          Quote: Bradypodidae
          . The USA has about 1000 M109 in the army and in storage. How many Msta-S do Russia have?

          618, but what?
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 17 May 2016 22: 43
            +21
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Quote: Bradypodidae
            . The USA has about 1000 M109 in the army and in storage. How many Msta-S do Russia have?

            618, but what?
            Nothing, it's just that Ukrainians have terrible anus pain about this - they had 1991 Msta-S units in 40, and as a result, up to the so-called. ATO in the southeast, only 15 remained operational. Of these, four were captured by the militia. And the rest .. The rest God knows what state they are in now. In short, the most modern ACS of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have an unenviable fate.
            The 152-mm self-propelled howitzer 2S19 "Msta-S" from the 26th separate artillery brigade of the Ukrainian army abandoned near Starobeshevo. 26.08.2014
          2. ALABAY45
            ALABAY45 17 May 2016 23: 08
            +2
            Romanov has the exact data! He knows everything ... yes
        2. Monos
          Monos 17 May 2016 22: 35
          +17
          Quote: Bradypodidae
          Another hatred


          Not at all. Simply, you have gone to the wrong steppe. I gave an example of the morally obsolete (years on 50) weapons of the Americans and did not at all praise our aircraft (although there is something to be proud of!).
          Why didn’t you give data on the number of our self-propelled guns? 600 pcs. when the rate of fire is 5 times greater than that of the Paladin, they do not look so derogatory, isn’t it?
          1. Bradypodidae
            Bradypodidae 17 May 2016 22: 42
            -26%
            Hm. When they managed to do so much. And the reference where it was written about it, is it possible? And how does it somehow surprise (in a good sense) the number. Maybe this is the total number built since the time of the Union?
            1. Monos
              Monos 17 May 2016 22: 52
              +19
              Quote: Bradypodidae
              .A reference where it is written about this, can I?

              This is even written on Wikipedia. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Msta-S
              But, in general, it’s not comme il faut - asking others to look for links for you.
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 17 May 2016 23: 03
                +22
                Quote: Monos
                But, in general, it’s not comme il faut - asking others to look for links for you.
                Sorry to interfere in your debate, but I will share my observation - our Svidomo Ukrainian friends do not like to search for any information themselves. Therefore, proofs always require. Perhaps it’s in their blood - well, so that the dumplings themselves jump into their mouths bully
                1. Monos
                  Monos 17 May 2016 23: 09
                  +13
                  Quote: Ami du peuple
                  It’s probably in the blood - so that the dumplings themselves jump into their mouths


                  good Also noticed such a feature.
        3. Dmitry Toderes
          Dmitry Toderes 17 May 2016 23: 02
          +12
          600 units of Msta-S. And this despite the fact that Msta bypasses this first Paladin in all respects - the video above clearly demonstrates the "rate of fire" of the Paladin - and why so many beautiful, aesthetic devices, if the performance has remained at the level of the 30s - this is what I mean about the Paladin.
        4. avg
          avg 17 May 2016 23: 21
          +13
          Quote: Bradypodidae
          Another hatred. The United States has about 1000 M109 in the army and in storage. How much does Msta-S have in Russia?

          How many Russian Msta-S have answered you. I will only note that "Acacia" (from 2C3 to 2C3M3)
          no worse than M109. There are enough of them in the troops, and there are at least 1000 units in storage, and there are enough special ammunition for it.
          1. Jack-b
            Jack-b 18 May 2016 07: 14
            +2
            Quote: avg
            I will only note that "Acacia" (from 2C3 to 2C3M3)
            no worse than M109. There are enough of them in the troops, and there are at least 1000 units in storage, and there are enough special ammunition for it.

            Akacia would have modern SLAs and then it would have been paladins left in complete outsiders.
        5. m262
          m262 17 May 2016 23: 33
          +3
          Only in the army of the Republic of Belarus pieces 40
          1. sgazeev
            sgazeev 18 May 2016 07: 54
            +3
            Quote: m262
            Only in the army of the Republic of Belarus pieces 40

            Don’t give out Old Man’s secrets. He’s a tight-fisted man.
        6. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 18 May 2016 01: 40
          +14
          Another shapkozakidatelstvo. The USA has about 1000 M109 in the army and in storage. How many Msta-S does Russia have? I don't think there are even hundreds. If we compare the main art systems of the USA and Russia, then we need to compare the M109 and "Akatsia" You are deceiving yourself.

          to measure who has more - this is for the boys ... only with age does understanding come - it’s better longer than more ... repeat
          well, if it's not very clear, then - "not by number, but by skill" (c)

          I recently learned about the feat of Private Ovcharenko -

          On July 13, 1941, in battles near the city of Balti, when delivering ammunition to his company near the town of Pesets, a machine-gun company of the 389th rifle regiment of the 176th rifle division of the 9th Army of the Southern Front, Red Army soldier Dmitry Ovcharenko was surrounded by a detachment of enemy soldiers and officers of 50 people. At the same time, the enemy managed to seize his rifle. However, D.R.Ovcharenko was not at a loss and, grabbing an ax from the wagon, chopped off the head of the officer questioning him, threw 3 grenades at the enemy soldier, killing 21 soldiers. The rest fled in panic. Then he caught up with the second officer and also chopped off his head. The third officer managed to escape. After that he collected documents and maps from the dead and, together with the cargo, arrived at the company on time.

          for this he received a Hero of the Soviet Union. Education, probably, was not enough - only 5 classes - therefore I could not count or confused the concepts of "more" - "less" request
          1. ydjin
            ydjin 18 May 2016 03: 42
            +10
            Quote: Yuyuka


            to measure who has more - this is for the boys ... only with age does understanding come - it’s better longer than more ... repeat
            well, if it's not very clear, then - "not by number, but by skill" (c)

            I recently learned about the feat of Private Ovcharenko -

            [i] July 13, 1941 in battles near the city of Balti, with the delivery of ammunition to his company near the town of Pesets, a machine-gun drive .....

            for this he received a Hero of the Soviet Union. Education, probably, was not enough - only 5 classes - therefore I could not count or confused the concepts of "more" - "less" request

            even the place of the iconic Arctic fox, which is good for the Russian, then the German is a complete Arctic fox! laughing
            1. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 18 May 2016 11: 19
              +1
              even the place of the iconic Arctic fox, which is good for the Russian, then the German is a complete Arctic fox!

              I propose the name of the entire territory of the country in the English version of Pesec - let them then say that they did not warn! laughing
          2. Mikado
            Mikado 18 May 2016 12: 15
            0
            Quote: Yuyuka
            I recently learned about the feat of Private Ovcharenko -

            I read about his feat. Along the way, he dispersed the Romanian with an ax, there was a case in Moldova, and of these the mediocre fighters, confirmed by Stalingrad. But the fact that he caught up with the second officer in the garden of the village of Polar fox and also demolished his head is a fact. There was probably a spectacle: an officer was screaming around the garden, followed by an enraged Ovcharenko with a bloodied ax! And he provided the documents of these warriors.
            There was another such hero - Sereda. With the help of an ax, the tank was captured.
          3. Berkut752
            Berkut752 19 May 2016 22: 06
            0
            In some troops, the Soviet army was taught: ““ Use what is at hand and do not look for something else. ”As for the United States and NATO in particular, they are engaged in cultivating a sense of self-importance and worshiping the theory of their own invulnerability.
        7. 96423lom
          96423lom 18 May 2016 08: 59
          0
          Exactly what is in storage, I remember the army was preparing a station from conservation for a 10-day training ground. And we also need those who will prepare it and who will shoot from it.
      2. papas-57
        papas-57 17 May 2016 23: 00
        +3
        '' ACS M109A6 Paladin shoots at 22 km (Msta-s - 25 km), rate of fire - 1,6 v / m (Msta - 8-10) ''. Recorded rate of fire from video - 14 seconds per shot (9 - 23 seconds). About 6-8 shots per minute is not even a question. In the best case 4. But still twice as fast as amers.
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 17 May 2016 23: 16
          +4
          Quote: papas-57
          The rate of fire on the video was detected - 14 seconds per shot (9 - 23 sec.). Not even about 6-8 rounds per minute.
          Are you an inspector from a higher headquarters? Well, then put the crew "bad", since they did not meet the standard smile However, according to the TTX, the rate of fire is really 7-8 rds / min.
        2. Monos
          Monos 17 May 2016 23: 18
          +10
          Quote: papas-57
          I noticed the rate of fire on the video


          Well you give! This method of determining the rate of fire is the same as determining the size of a part using a tape measure using a tape measure. There are field tests for such purposes.
        3. yushch
          yushch 17 May 2016 23: 22
          +8
          Quote: papas-57
          '' ACS M109A6 Paladin shoots at 22 km (Msta-s - 25 km), rate of fire - 1,6 v / m (Msta - 8-10) ''. Recorded rate of fire from video - 14 seconds per shot (9 - 23 seconds). About 6-8 shots per minute is not even a question. In the best case 4. But still twice as fast as amers.


          The rate of fire is not so simple. I was not an artilleryman, but I read that with a high rate of fire after 30-40 shots, the gun must be allowed to rest (cool down) .Therefore, such a high rate of fire has its drawbacks. With regard to the smaller number of our self-propelled guns, I want to say that they with great success compensates for our rocket artillery, which the Americans have much less.
          1. Berkut752
            Berkut752 19 May 2016 22: 14
            0
            You are not quite right, the "Msta-s" has an artificially cooled barrel (with water).
        4. Berkut752
          Berkut752 19 May 2016 22: 11
          0
          You, dear, confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs, it is one thing to shoot at exercises and it is quite another thing for a while.
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      5. godofwar6699
        godofwar6699 17 May 2016 23: 31
        -4

        The 39-caliber 155mm M284 cannon, which is fitted with an M182 gun mount, has a range of 24km using unassisted rounds or 30km using assisted rounds. The projectile loading can be carried out using the full-stroke hydraulic system, or a semi-automatic loading system is optional. Paladin M109A6 achieves a maximum firing rate of up to eight rounds a minute or three rounds in 15 seconds, and a sustained firing rate of one round every three minutes. The gun is operated with an automatic fire control system with ballistic computer, fitted with an optical backup.
        hi
        1. AndreyS
          AndreyS 17 May 2016 23: 57
          +3
          Quote: godofwar6699
          Paladin M109A6 achieves a Pigmentation firing rate of up to eight rounds a minute or three rounds in 15 seconds

          Well....?! A maximum of eight rounds per minute is written. Why this comment ?!
          1. godofwar6699
            godofwar6699 18 May 2016 00: 13
            0
            Quote: AndreyS
            Quote: godofwar6699
            Paladin M109A6 achieves a Pigmentation firing rate of up to eight rounds a minute or three rounds in 15 seconds

            Well....?! A maximum of eight rounds per minute is written. Why this comment ?!

            Some of the US Army M109A6 paladins were mounted with a modification of the M982 Excalibur high-precision shells. Excalibur has a maximum range of 40
          2. godofwar6699
            godofwar6699 18 May 2016 00: 18
            -3


            Msta-s can shoot high-precision shells?
            1. Monos
              Monos 18 May 2016 00: 30
              +15
              Quote: godofwar6699
              Msta-s can shoot high-precision shells?


              Shpien? Are you completely fucked up there in P. Indosia? So brazenly collect info on social networks!
              I’ll run off to the office, I’ll clarify.
              1. godofwar6699
                godofwar6699 18 May 2016 00: 45
                -13%

                Diarrhea keep calm
                bully
                1. Monos
                  Monos 18 May 2016 00: 52
                  +7
                  ABOUT! How p.indosnya excited! Already snot bubbles bubbled up! wassat
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            2. NEXUS
              NEXUS 18 May 2016 01: 03
              +4
              Quote: godofwar6699
              Msta-s can shoot high-precision shells?

              Block 1a-1 - $ 232, Block 000a-1 - $ 2 ... with the first flying 160 km, the second flying 000 km
              And this is the price of one shot.
              For example, the Smerch complex missiles fly 70 km, and the Tornado-S complex 120 km (in the future 200 km). At the same time, the cost of one shot of a Tornado-U, or Tornado-S, is much cheaper than Escalibur.
              1. Vaha
                Vaha 18 May 2016 04: 57
                -1
                And with what accuracy do these shells strike at such a distance?
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 18 May 2016 09: 30
                  +3
                  Quote: Waha
                  And with what accuracy do these shells strike at such a distance?

                  Show you the video of the work of the Tornadoes? Believe me, with enough. And the Mste will be replaced by the Coalition-SV, which will crawl back to Palladin as far as China, even with Escalibur for $ 200.
                2. def89
                  def89 18 May 2016 09: 32
                  0
                  Nobody has canceled the blow to the squares wassat
            3. GSH-18
              GSH-18 18 May 2016 02: 18
              +8
              Quote: godofwar6699
              Msta-s can shoot high-precision shells?

              Imagine YES! And not only MSTA-S. Read about the Krasnopol shell. Under the USSR, they still drove dushmans to them in Afghanistan.

              152 mm Krasnopol Artillery Projectile
              1. GSH-18
                GSH-18 18 May 2016 02: 41
                0

                152 mm Krasnopol Artillery Projectile
                Will that fit? Made in USSA! good
                1. GSH-18
                  GSH-18 18 May 2016 03: 07
                  +3
                  Quote: GSH-18
                  Will that fit? Made in USSA! good

                  In the sense of Made in USSR!
                  Here's another adjustable ammunition: "Brave" and "Centimeter"
                2. GSH-18
                  GSH-18 18 May 2016 03: 10
                  +1
                  Krasnopol
            4. dmi.pris
              dmi.pris 18 May 2016 02: 27
              +2
              "Krasnopol" of various modifications will work? At least rummaged in the net to ask stupid questions ..
              Quote: godofwar6699


              Msta-s can shoot high-precision shells?
            5. user1212
              user1212 18 May 2016 08: 06
              +1
              Quote: godofwar6699
              Msta-s can shoot high-precision shells?

              Centimeter, Krasnopol, Aurora - all guided shells
            6. uskrabut
              uskrabut 18 May 2016 10: 57
              +1
              Escalibrom the old rusty jeeps then shoot! laughing
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      6. nazar_0753
        nazar_0753 17 May 2016 23: 54
        +3
        Quote: Monos
        Quote: razmik72
        "Hegemon" has grown weak or is pretending to be weak, so that they would throw more budget money, that is the question?


        Not at all. They really have a problem. It's just that after the collapse of the Union, they decided that global wars are a thing of the past (well, who dares to challenge the hegemon?) And reoriented their armed forces to local conflicts with small countries. And against them, and what was created and built during the Cold War is enough.
        For example, the M109A6 Paladin ACS. It shoots at 22 km ("Msta-s" - 25 km), rate of fire - 1,6 v / m ("Msta" - 8-10), separate-cap loading, etc. Experts still throw in a bunch of all sorts of absurdities, but I'd rather show the video. Pryzhom.

        Separate-cap loading has nothing to do with it, if I'm not mistaken, on our new "Coalition-SV" loading is also cap-type, which does not interfere with having a rate of fire in the region of 15 rounds per minute. It's all about the nigra loader bully
      7. code54
        code54 18 May 2016 00: 49
        +8
        Paladin Pleasantly surprised! )))) It's nice when they have hemorrhagic !!! ... when the black smoke fell, I climbed into the trunk to look at it, whether it was in place or maybe something was stuck !!! ))) And ours bake like pies! threw it, broads, ready - the next one! )))
      8. Felix99
        Felix99 18 May 2016 08: 46
        +4
        On the first video there is not enough tweezers, insert the capsule. The donkey's tail was especially liked. And if they lose?
      9. Achilles
        Achilles 18 May 2016 09: 51
        +1
        For example, the M109A6 Paladin ACS. It shoots at 22 km ("Msta-s" - 25 km), rate of fire - 1,6 v / m ("Msta" - 8-10), separate-cap loading, etc. Experts still throw in a bunch of all sorts of absurdities, but I'd rather show the video. Pryzhom.


        And the truth is funny))
      10. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 18 May 2016 10: 04
        +2
        They have something there. barrel purge not provided? As the shutter is opened, the smoke is eerie. Well, yes, the hatch is open. But in the footage about Mstu, the hatch is also open. But everything is clean. This I still do not take complex "dances with a tambourine" in the shot cycle. Horror in general. The elder there constantly passes the string for the production of the shot. And if in battle the blank hits the armor and they drop this crap on the floor? What? Is the shooting canceled? You couldn’t think of a smarter safety device against an accidental shot?
        1. code54
          code54 21 May 2016 23: 42
          0
          Can they guess which cord or wire to attach? although what am I talking about! Well ...
      11. Evgeny RS
        Evgeny RS 18 May 2016 10: 43
        +2
        There is no need for the crew to sit in the Coalition.

        1. Disant
          Disant 18 May 2016 16: 04
          0
          at 23 minutes of the video - about the rate of fire - 23:26. now puzzle over, either installation, or the truth. smile.
          but a new headset would not hurt an artillery tanker, especially a driver’s mechanic
        2. Disant
          Disant 18 May 2016 16: 04
          0
          at 23 minutes of the video - about the rate of fire - 23:26. now puzzle over, either installation, or the truth. smile.
          but a new headset would not hurt an artillery tanker, especially a driver’s mechanic
    3. otter.1
      otter.1 17 May 2016 23: 30
      0
      Not tired of the "cut"? This is the real state of affairs in the US army, of course, no one canceled the cut, but the degradation of the armed forces (and not only the US, but also NATO) is evident.
      1. Vaha
        Vaha 18 May 2016 05: 03
        -1
        It turns out that after WWII the reduction of all arms of service, thousands of used cars, budget cuts should be considered degradation? The United States Army has become very large since 2001. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and other secret operations. The generals always didn’t want to cut the budget, and all the generals always painted the apocalypse for their politicians. The war is coming to an end, that’s the reduction.
        1. insular
          insular 18 May 2016 06: 04
          +5
          Quote: Waha
          The war is coming to an end, that’s the reduction.

          For you, in the USA, the end of the war can only mean one thing - a return to the politics of isolationism and, as a result, the end of hegemony.

          First, the US state is a predator, feeds on the carrion of other states. But to continue this policy, you need to have a much larger army than for states with a defensive doctrine (like the Russian Federation) and, as a result, even with less equipment and facilities in the armies of the Russian Federation, the bill is not in favor of the United States, at the moment.
          Secondly, with conventional weapons, the United States can only fight with the Papuans of the whole world, but not with the Russian Federation. So about comparing self-propelled guns of the Russian Federation and the USA, you can generally forget how stupid the conflict will be nuclear.
          hi Do not deceive yourself or others.
          1. Vaha
            Vaha 18 May 2016 08: 44
            -1
            The war in Iraq and Afghanistan for the United States is coming to an end; nobody will give hundreds more billions of green to these wars. Due to the reduction in offensive operations, there is no need to keep Thousands of tanks, planes and millions of soldiers. With a limited amount of resources in the world, the time will come when weapons and strength will be the only way to survive. 7.2 billion mouths and the number is growing. If you think that everyone can develop peacefully, then you yourself are lying.
            1. Monos
              Monos 18 May 2016 10: 42
              +5
              Quote: Waha
              If you think that everyone can develop peacefully, then you yourself are lying.


              How cute! He took and uncovered! And I didn’t even notice it. I say - the hateful civilization is your P.indostan! You Indians are so aggressive and so used to carrying a blizzard that even democracy (by the way, the Greeks invented it, and not you at all) turned it into a high-precision weapon.
              1. Vaha
                Vaha 18 May 2016 20: 23
                -3
                Tell me how much your USSR ruined in due time with its communism and how much human life was valued.
              2. Vaha
                Vaha 18 May 2016 20: 33
                -3
                Nuno is a mankind country, we distribute more humanitarian aid around the world than all countries combined. You loving S. Korea sent to the South and Prabov to Israel, loving you went to Finland, loving the floor of the Euroma, you’ve kept 50 years under the hood and you just presented 17 million sq km for a good soul.
                1. Monos
                  Monos 18 May 2016 23: 04
                  +7
                  Quote: Waha
                  loving ..... blah blah blah ...


                  Enough to carry the blizzard. Stop demonstrating your ignorance.

                  Remember better, my Indian friend, Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Serbia, etc. etc. Yes! And don't forget your native Indians, fucking humanist.

                2. lukewarm
                  lukewarm 19 May 2016 15: 01
                  +1
                  The whole world has known about your humanitarian aid for a long time. First, you sell it, supporting your production and coffin the production of those you "help". And your first humanitarian aid was to the Indians, blankets infected with smallpox. Would you walk out of here, waha.
                3. Yuyuka
                  Yuyuka 19 May 2016 21: 24
                  +1
                  waha

                  even minus reluctance ... it would be for what - one stink and yapping like from all American morality
            2. uskrabut
              uskrabut 18 May 2016 11: 19
              +1
              If that amount of "green", which is spent on weapons, is spent on peaceful technologies, then feeding 10 billion mouths is not a problem. How much spoiled food is wasted in the world? Great amount! Look in your trash can and multiply by the number of people like you. Do you have any questions? All the noise about the overpopulation of the planets is raised by oligarchs and corrupt politicians, they are more profitable from war than the peaceful development of the planet.
            3. Disant
              Disant 18 May 2016 16: 48
              0
              Waha, I agree with you in terms of
              With a limited amount of resources in the world, the time will come when weapons and strength will be the only way to survive. 7.2 billion mouths and the number is growing.
              . here they wrote about food below, but you wrote correctly - resources.
              I used to propose on here on the forum a plan for further existence for Russia:
              I would like to see a clear migration policy yesterday.
              I suggest that when everything becomes completely bad - it will bomb itself in adjacent territories along the border with nuclear weapons, create, so to speak, a safety belt. at the same time create a virus and antivirus. prick everyone and spray. then we’ll see who assimilated and who not

              but judging by the hanging zero for the comment, they did not support me or did not understand. Alas
      2. sa-zz
        sa-zz 18 May 2016 06: 21
        0
        Quote: otter.1
        Not tired of the "cut"?

        No need to bubble. The whole existence of it is armament and disarmament, one party is arming, the other is disarming, and both in chocolate at the same time. Track if interested.
    4. Coconut
      Coconut 17 May 2016 23: 56
      +10
      a big mistake to underestimate the enemy .. their mistakes are science
      1. Berkut752
        Berkut752 19 May 2016 22: 38
        0
        Their main task is to democratize, self-identify and liberalize - these are the tools for fulfilling their main desire - to rob.
    5. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 18 May 2016 04: 35
      0
      "It is hardly worthwhile for Russia to lament that the US military potential is melting."
      Quote: razmik72
      The hegemon "has grown weak or pretends to be weak, so that more budget money would be thrown

      - All factors must be taken into account. And the fact that the adversaries, from their stupidity, kissed themselves in the fifth point and relaxed, plays into our hands very much. "Gorbachevs" and "trumpets" eat up Judas' handouts, and themselves, "world hegemons" along the way, got drunk. And our anger at their narcissism and pharisaism is only to help us.
    6. vkl.47
      vkl.47 18 May 2016 07: 21
      0
      Rome also had a huge army. but this did not save the empire from collapse
      1. sgazeev
        sgazeev 18 May 2016 08: 12
        +3
        Quote: vkl.47
        Rome also had a huge army. but this did not save the empire from collapse

        1. Disant
          Disant 18 May 2016 16: 24
          +1
          this is rzhaka. a plus
  2. Nforce
    Nforce 17 May 2016 21: 53
    +1
    If she is so decrepit, then why talk about her at all. China must be switched.
  3. Tusv
    Tusv 17 May 2016 21: 54
    +15
    I'm not Stanislavsky, but really I do not believe
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 17 May 2016 22: 10
      +19
      The army of the mattresses, of course, flew. Decreased, scattered around the world. Projects to create a new generation of armored vehicles ended with cuts and failure. Plus, her last years have been trained to fight rebels - many striker and light brigades. But the Navy is still the strongest in the world with a huge margin, which is not surprising for a maritime power.
      In general, questions, whose army is stronger, resemble the question, who is stronger - a whale or an elephant?
      Our land army, in my opinion, has become stronger than mattresses, in any case, by 2020 this will become obvious. But our fleet will not come close to them, even with an extensive shipbuilding program. request The fleet is created over the years and decades - and nothing else.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 17 May 2016 23: 36
        +6
        22.10/41. And with whom did the US Army seriously fight? Japan, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq? In my opinion it was not their war. If you compare us with them. We fought 45-XNUMX. And they? In my opinion, their army is the last argument. And they are fighting with other weapons. This is bribery and blackmail. But tanks are not needed for this. For some operations, they have PMCs. For private financing, there are private foundations, public organizations, plus they have a share of the protection of drugs, plus offshore. What is bad about such a weapon as public organizations? See how they change modes in other countries. So attack tanks and planes? There is just a bribery of leadership. And why tanks for bribery? What about the US Army? It was just a scarecrow. But the arrest of accounts, the arrest of citizens, sanctions, the media, these are real methods of warfare. And further. Having bombarded the country in the Stone Age, modern weapons are no longer needed. Look at Libya. Are super-modern airplanes flying there? Having omitted technologically other countries, the USA itself is no longer relevant to have advanced weapons in the usual sense. They are fighting with other weapons.
        1. Azitral
          Azitral 18 May 2016 00: 36
          +10
          With Japan, there was a war at sea. No matter how the worst naval war in history. And what is the most difficult (aircraft carriers, basic aviation, submarines, landing of assault forces - and just a crap cloud) is so indisputable. Read (if you have not read) Pereslegin's "Pacific Premiere". Have fun. We fought well, no need for vain. And, - a fact, - ANY military machine at some point enters a period of decrepitude. Too many generals, too many facilities, too many warehouses with old items - and everything must be maintained, guarded, etc. Under normal conditions, this condition is irreversible, the larger the Armed Forces - the more hopeless, because serious reforms are hindered by generals, businessmen and warrant officers at the depots. Complete analogy with human aging. In order to renew the army, unique conditions are needed: a brutal military defeat or a socio-political catastrophe, but such that the country still survives. For us: Crimean company, epic with revolution and civil war, 90s. For Germany - the Versailles Peace.
      2. Disant
        Disant 18 May 2016 16: 34
        0
        Well, the fact that she (the US Army) is scattered around the world - how did this affect her "badness"?
        Decreased
        - cut off in one place, added in another
  4. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 17 May 2016 22: 01
    +12
    They may become decrepit in comparison with the beginning of the 90s, but if that quickly recover. There is money, people are ...
    1. Foresterer
      Foresterer 17 May 2016 23: 32
      +8
      There is a problem with people. The Pentagon itself admits that only one of the 4 draftees can undergo a medical examination, and screening is not only for medical reasons. And money ... Money does not fly and do not shoot, however, their weapons will also refuse to do so. America is a country of great achievements, but it is also a country of great myths. One of them is the great army of the USA.
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 17 May 2016 23: 47
        +4
        There is a problem with people ,,, MOSCOW, 31 mar - RIA Novosti. More than 20 of thousands of citizens were brought to administrative responsibility for failure to appear on the agenda and draft evasion in the fall of 2015, the chief said on Thursday

        RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/society/20160331/1400469966.html#ixzz48wr5giac
      2. Vaha
        Vaha 18 May 2016 05: 08
        +1
        There is no prize in the US Armed Forces, and they choose the best because there are many comers and the benefits are very good. All US officers are former college athletes and are a benchmark in physical fitness.
        1. Parsec
          Parsec 18 May 2016 21: 45
          0
          Nokhcho or what? "Sportsmen ..."

          The US forces turn yellow and black. A lot of people come for citizenship. Motivation and dedication uy-yu.
      3. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 18 May 2016 07: 40
        0
        Quote: Foresterer
        There is a problem with people.

        Well, this cannot but please drinks
  5. raid14
    raid14 17 May 2016 22: 03
    +16
    Do not forget that the "decrepit hegemon" under the heel of NATO and the stocks of weapons in its arsenals are enough to supply the alliance. In cases of (non-nuclear) conflict, the hegemon may not fight, but arrange supplies for the "young and early" and sit on the ocean while others do the "dirty work" for him.
    1. Homo
      Homo 17 May 2016 23: 16
      +4
      Quote: raid14
      In cases of conflict (non-nuclear)

      And how do you imagine today a non-nuclear conflict between the United States, NATO and Russia? Will NATO come, shoot at the border (two hours) and leave? No, they will come to capture us, destroy us! But we will not use such noble nuclear weapons, we will watch how they destroy us. No, we use everything to protect ourselves! am
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      2. raid14
        raid14 18 May 2016 00: 25
        -12%
        European missile defense in Poland and Romania, ships with "Aegis" will neutralize our ICBMs on acceleration, US missile defense in Alaska and California will intercept the remnants, and these are 46 heavy R-36M2 (SS-18) missiles, 30 UR-100NUTTKh missiles (SS-19 ), 72 Topol mobile ground complexes (SS-25), 60 mine-based Topol-M complexes (SS-27), 18 Topol-M mobile complexes (SS-27), 63 mobile and 10 silo complexes with the RS-24 Yars missile in the bottom line 299 missile systems capable of carrying 902 nuclear warheads
        It is quite possible to block or track down our 10 nuclear submarines in ports by the total fleet of NATO, intercepting aircraft capable of carrying 65 nuclear weapons. 11 Tu-160 bombers and 55 Tu-95MS bombers. they will not make much work either.
        http://russianforces.org/rus/current/
        Next is a conventional war on two fronts with NATO in the West and the PLA in the East over territory and natural resources.
        1. Parsec
          Parsec 18 May 2016 00: 42
          +5
          Neutralize on overclocking?

          No. By the time of the arrival of a very limited number of missile defense from Poland and Romania or from the Mediterranean region, the acceleration section of our BRs will have been completed.

          Block or track down 10 submarines ... Well, tracked down. How to block, than, especially if the start is made from the wall in the base?
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          2. uskrabut
            uskrabut 18 May 2016 11: 28
            0
            Add here the gauges starting from the containers.
        2. sir_obs
          sir_obs 18 May 2016 01: 54
          +7
          What the hell?
          Why would missiles fly through Europe? Turn the globe, it will be immediately clear where the shortest path.

          What are our 10 apl, where to block? Che for kindergarten?
          Have you studied military science in Amer comics or computer games? At least roughly imagine the tactics of action of the forces of the fleet?


          Write more, my friends and submariners are neighing again.
        3. Vaha
          Vaha 18 May 2016 05: 15
          -1
          Even if 10% of the strategic missile forces remain after this fantastic scenario, then the damage from it will be irreparable for the next 50 years. London, Washington, New York, Paris, Berlin, Rome, Los Angeles. 7 bombs will do more damage than all wars of the 20th and 21st centuries. While there are these 7 bombs no one dares.
        4. sgazeev
          sgazeev 18 May 2016 08: 19
          0
          Arctic angle for YES forgotten, my dear. lol
        5. Warlock
          Warlock 18 May 2016 08: 46
          +2
          Quote: raid14
          European missile defense in Poland and Romania, ships with "Aegis" will neutralize our ICBMs on acceleration, US missile defense in Alaska and California will intercept the remnants, and these are 46 heavy R-36M2 (SS-18) missiles, 30 UR-100NUTTKh missiles (SS-19 ), 72 Topol mobile ground complexes (SS-25), 60 mine-based Topol-M complexes (SS-27), 18 Topol-M mobile complexes (SS-27), 63 mobile and 10 silo complexes with the RS-24 Yars missile in the bottom line 299 missile systems capable of carrying 902 nuclear warheads
          It is quite possible to block or track down our 10 nuclear submarines in ports by the total fleet of NATO, intercepting aircraft capable of carrying 65 nuclear weapons. 11 Tu-160 bombers and 55 Tu-95MS bombers. they will not make much work either.
          http://russianforces.org/rus/current/
          Next is a conventional war on two fronts with NATO in the West and the PLA in the East over territory and natural resources.

          Sorry, do you really believe in IT?
          The site on which they write that: "The unique nature of the publication ensured its success. The book was especially popular among the Russian military, in the Ministry of Atomic Energy, among representatives of the Russian defense industry." ??? A book on nuclear weapons for the defense industry and the military? It's like declaring that the primer is particularly popular with university students, teachers and professors.
          Sometimes you need to separate the grains from the chaff and not copy-paste the American site.
        6. Achilles
          Achilles 18 May 2016 10: 23
          0
          European missile defense in Poland and Romania, ships with "Aegis", neutralize our ICBMs on acceleration, US missile defense in Alaska and California will intercept the remnants


          First of all, your missile defense will be destroyed in Poland and Romania, with caliber rockets and Iskander, and missile defense in Alaska and California will also be destroyed by calibers, so you risk completely being left without missile defense if you twitch. And our Yars cannot be intercepted by more than one missile defense system in the World, you have no chance if you just twitch, and when Sarmat appears to all of you Amen ...
          1. Disant
            Disant 18 May 2016 17: 03
            0
            Yes, and without Sarmatian, they will be enough for a couple of times even if they successfully jerk first. need to give them calculations Sivkova look. who, whence from where, and in what order under different scenarios of the development of the situation
          2. Berkut752
            Berkut752 19 May 2016 23: 22
            0
            Forgive me for interfering with your dispute, but "Sarmat" is still at the testing stage, but "Rubezh" is already in the army, from this, 2016.
        7. The Little Humpbacked Horse
          The Little Humpbacked Horse 18 May 2016 11: 02
          -1
          Quote: raid14
          Next is a conventional war on two fronts with NATO in the West and the PLA in the East over territory and natural resources.


          Well, how would we ourselves, at our own expense, pull gas pipelines in all directions, and almost beg the West and China to buy our gas and oil, and the trouble in Syria only so that Qatar would not extend its pipe. The question is, why with us fight if we are for green papers and so we sell everything we need
        8. uskrabut
          uskrabut 18 May 2016 11: 27
          -1
          You forgot about the natural factor - it is enough for one small nuclear attack to jerk in the area of ​​the Yellowstone caldera and you can forget about the USA as a habitable territory. And there is also a rift in the Atlantic, from which there can also be many troubles.
          And what a nerd would risk in such a shitty situation?
    2. 34 region
      34 region 17 May 2016 23: 48
      +1
      22.03/XNUMX. And they are not the first to deliver and observe. This is their tactics of warfare. Gather meat, invest a little and put this meat on self-sufficiency. A wonderful way to wage war. You seem to have nothing to do with profit. The war zone is steadily impoverished. You can buy everything for nothing and supply weapons, be a fighter for peace, loudly delivering humanitarian aid and test vaccines.
    3. Azitral
      Azitral 18 May 2016 00: 43
      +2
      Young and early - who is this? Turkey and Poland can be taken seriously. The rest are either not "young" or it is better not to take into account. Mixed Estonian-Portuguese-Belgian-Romanian-Greek corps - that would be something. This is to rally the year, I am not exaggerating. Those who have dealt with national cadres in their unit at one time will understand me right away.
  6. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 17 May 2016 22: 06
    +8
    The difficult question is what should be the size of the peacetime army.
    In the United States they know how to carefully store equipment for conservation, so the question is
    boils down to a lack of military specialists. In the presence of a quality skeleton,
    an army can be built up if necessary somewhere in the year.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 17 May 2016 22: 12
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The difficult question is what should be the size of the peacetime army.
      In the United States they know how to carefully store equipment for conservation, so the question is
      boils down to a lack of military specialists. In the presence of a quality skeleton,
      an army can be built up if necessary somewhere in the year.

      Will you transport the equipment on "blue elephants"? wink
      1. Bradypodidae
        Bradypodidae 17 May 2016 22: 30
        -9
        The United States has a huge fleet of transport ships. The United States has a huge combat fleet to protect transport ships. The United States has a huge fleet of tanker and transport planes. The United States has a lot of all kinds of allies to help them. Russia has only a fighting spirit and a perky the cry - "And we are army !!!" (pronounced in one word. I agree that this is enough to win. But the price of victory will again be colossal.
        1. godofwar6699
          godofwar6699 17 May 2016 23: 00
          +2
          Mobile Landing Platform
          1. water
            water 17 May 2016 23: 55
            +7
            Looks good! But, it is suitable only for landing on a good beach with the complete absence of enemy fire resistance.
            1. Vaha
              Vaha 18 May 2016 05: 24
              0
              Landings such as Normandy and Ivo Jima will not. If these two ships work, this means that the beach is taken, the enemy retreats.
          2. sgazeev
            sgazeev 18 May 2016 08: 23
            0
            US Marines in Spain Landing March 05, 2014
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          4. Disant
            Disant 18 May 2016 17: 22
            0
            Great mooring buoys between ships! Russians would tirelessly stuff old tires between ships!
        2. Homo
          Homo 17 May 2016 23: 18
          +4
          Quote: Bradypodidae
          The United States has a huge fleet of transport ships. The United States has a huge combat fleet to provide security for transport ships.

          And Russia has no submarines, no aviation. You probably mixed up Russia with Ukraine. wink
          1. sgazeev
            sgazeev 18 May 2016 08: 28
            0
            Quote: Homo
            Quote: Bradypodidae
            The United States has a huge fleet of transport ships. The United States has a huge combat fleet to provide security for transport ships.

            And Russia has no submarines, no aviation. You probably mixed up Russia with Ukraine. wink

            This, in handwriting, was written by shorty Bom.
        3. Foresterer
          Foresterer 17 May 2016 23: 37
          +3
          In the event of a war with Russia, the Allies will think with their own head, not with the head of the next Obama, you can cut this money together, and war is a war. I think there are few fools, and it will not be Great Britain and not France.
        4. Parsec
          Parsec 18 May 2016 00: 48
          0
          Quote: Bradypodidae
          Russia has only morale and arrogant cry


          Do you understand exactly where and what you are writing?

          As of January 2016, the strategic forces of Russia allegedly contained 525 strategic carriers capable of carrying about 1800 nuclear warheads.

          This is to the fighting spirit, and not the cry, our consonant.
        5. mamont5
          mamont5 18 May 2016 05: 55
          +1
          Another troll (or "officer's daughter") appeared in no way. Working a little rough, sir.
        6. Warlock
          Warlock 18 May 2016 09: 01
          0
          Politota Detected.
          Dear, you made a mistake on the site. I recommend returning to the Censor and the like (at the same time, learn the rules of spelling and punctuation of the Russian language, otherwise my eye starts to twitch, reading your aids and colossal).
        7. Taygerus
          Taygerus 18 May 2016 09: 16
          +1
          we don’t have to consider Russia toothless, we have something to answer for both the USA and its allies, as well, Russia always has and will have only two allies, the army and navy, and we stand on it, respected, at the expense of morale, I agree with you, only we have still love for the Motherland, a sense of duty and an innate sense of justice, we are not going to take over anyone, we have enough of our territories, but it will be tantamount to succumbing to us, some have already tried, they have ended sadly, history lessons prove this.
      2. godofwar6699
        godofwar6699 17 May 2016 22: 50
        +3
        yes on blue elephants bully
        1. Disant
          Disant 18 May 2016 17: 31
          0
          God-war, why again photo-video of the next barges? Russians will not compete in their quantity. they don’t need it; they don’t need to go anywhere. plus laziness to swim
    2. Slavs
      Slavs 17 May 2016 22: 32
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      able to carefully store equipment for conservation

      Quote: voyaka uh
      In the presence of a quality skeleton

      Well, about the Russian army, you can also say ... What is it ... The history of the admirer, better Soviet textbooks ... Although you may not like them)))
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 18 May 2016 01: 09
        +4
        As for the skeleton, I agree. He is in the Russian army.
        But the conservation of equipment is bad. Yes, and technology that is in service,
        kept awful. $ 50 million airplanes are open
        sky without hangars. Seen on google maps. Which shortens their service life.
        1. user1212
          user1212 18 May 2016 08: 08
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          $ 50 million airplanes are open
          sky without hangars.

          Let's see how the Americans keep theirs? "Davis-Montin" (Tusson, Arizona)

          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 18 May 2016 08: 29
            +4
            Quote: user1212

            Let's see how the Americans keep theirs? "Davis-Montin" (Tusson, Arizona)

            Yes there is a desert, a tin can will lie on the ground for 50 years and not rust.
            1. Evgeny RS
              Evgeny RS 18 May 2016 10: 49
              0
              But the sun / heat will drain the wiring, seals))
          2. WUA 518
            WUA 518 18 May 2016 12: 06
            0
            Quote: user1212
            "Davis-Montin" (Tusson, Arizona)
            The Davis-Monten base is occupied by the 309th group of the US Department of Defense, which employs about five hundred people who repair aircraft. The entire fleet of equipment can be divided into four groups: long-term and short-term conservation (potentially combat-ready equipment), donor aircraft and equipment for sales. Non-flying military equipment sometimes also appears in the latter category.
        2. Slavs
          Slavs 18 May 2016 20: 19
          +1
          Yes, there are shortcomings everywhere, and there, and here ... Well, you understand - they are not the very best, just more arrogance)))
  7. Signore Tomato
    Signore Tomato 17 May 2016 22: 12
    +2
    Cool, but where in this case, a half trillion monkeys disappear every year?
  8. Hello
    Hello 17 May 2016 22: 13
    +10
    "... The degree of combat readiness of the army has degraded to the lowest level in the last 20 years" - this was how the four-star General Ray Odierno, Chief of the Army Staff, Commander-in-Chief of the Land Forces of the United States, clearly defined the situation in the military, reporting to the Senate Committee on Armed Forces January 2015 of the year.

    The generals want money, apparently on the nose adopting a budget for defense. In Israel, this happiness with the throwing of poop between the Moscow Region and the Ministry of Finance occurs every few years. And each time the same thing, they say no money and we won’t let others have anything to fight. As the budget will be quiet and calm. I think the United States also accepts the budget with shouts and snot.
    I have not seen a single MO that would be quite funded fellow
  9. Sura
    Sura 17 May 2016 22: 14
    +1
    There is such an impression as if it were the Russian army in the nineties.
  10. 31rus2
    31rus2 17 May 2016 22: 24
    +13
    dear, a very dangerous tendency that has passed from Ukraine to other countries, blocs, in particular to the United States, any country, economy has problems, but living in dreams is simply criminal, the United States is a formidable, strong, etc. enemy, but the army, let's say so not in "the best shape", but elections will be held and the printing press will again start to issue new portions of green, I have no doubt that the policy towards the Armed Forces will change, but the US financial war continues and until there is no one who can at least stop them, oh financial independence is no less, if not more important than one should think
  11. Vadim237
    Vadim237 17 May 2016 22: 25
    +7
    You don’t have to worry about the US army with a budget of 600 billion - this army is the richest of all, soon they will not need fighter bombers and their cruise missiles will be replaced.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 May 2016 23: 59
      +10
      Quote: Vadim237
      they will soon and fighter bombers will not need their cruise missiles replaced.

      Generals always prepare for past wars. (with)
      Vadim! This is the only true thought directed to future wars.
      The states are mastering the methods of "contactless", "remote" war with might and main. Wars where there will be no direct clash, contact combat of ground forces. Yugoslavia was a touchstone. Well, we also tried it in SAR, with the help of the VKS - we liked it. Level 6 wars are called.
      The Yankees are busy today with another. They are preparing forces for an "instant global strike" and neutralizing a retaliatory strike against Russia's strategic nuclear forces with the help of missile defense.
      Now look how ready we and the Americans are for a future war.
      For the fleet - longing, especially for NK. Air force - "lizard" flies, drones sit on the AVU ... Global Hook for 24 hours in RBD loitering in readiness to destroy the designated target. We have not received the T-50 in the troops yet ... You can continue to enumerate: lasers, railguns, automatic combat space planes X-37B, stealth, etc.
      So, the States are still a wolf!
      And the combat potential of the state has always relied on its economic power!
      USA - 1st place in GDP, Russia - 12 ... That is why we have the concept of minimum defense sufficiency: "Don't touch me, otherwise you will die with me."
      But China has the 2nd place, and there are 1,5 lard people! Therefore, according to the law of the Anglo-Saxons, the States (in order to remain a hegemon) will deal with the enemy, advancing on their heels, until he has acquired modern military technology from the Russians. Hence the focus on the APR!
      And talking about the "weakness" of the Yankees with their mob capabilities is nonsense!
      Yours faithfully, hi
      1. Azitral
        Azitral 18 May 2016 01: 25
        +1
        "lasers, railguns, X-37V automatic combat space aircraft, stealth ..."
        You with rare completeness have listed the entire set of show-offs, which are NOT and most likely will not be. Of the elements of the very SDI that Reagan so successfully scared us of, the great, super-technological, omnipotent, First In the Galaxy, unattainable America did not realize ANYTHING. From the prototype to the adopted specimen - the distance is REALLY huge. Let us sunk into the New World, or at least into the Atlantic - we will be beaten. They will stick into our garden - they will be beaten already. And they know very well that they cannot afford a major regional conflict, either militarily or economically. If the first to attack. If they attack them, they can. Such is the paradox.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 May 2016 09: 46
          +2
          What does it mean, "Which are NOT" - there are combat lasers, railguns are working, X 37 flies perfectly, and in terms of the duration of a flight in orbit, it set a record of 270 days - all this has already been created in metal and is working.
          1. Parsec
            Parsec 18 May 2016 16: 15
            +1
            What kind of battle lasers? What, when and in what conditions did they hit?

            The railgun will be finished for another ten years, then it will be announced, as it was announced in the case of the anti-missile laser - it was a technology development. "We were going to shoot down intercontinental missiles and warheads here, but we will probably deal with countering MANPADS." Do you know the tale about zilch? An absolute analogy. And if you count on the criterion of "cost / effectiveness" in general criminality.

            Quote: Vadim237
            X 37 flies great


            Wow, the results of the flight tests of all three X37s were put right on the table like that, and you had the qualifications to evaluate how it flies?

            For 16 years there has been a program, four samples have been built on it, three have flown, and one sample has been in orbit for a year and a half, not 270 days. There is no such test program for a year and a half for a prototype designed for operational use, to hang in orbit, they lost it. Then something somehow self-restored in nutrition, brought from orbit, not really showing off.

            And so yes, in metal there is, how so. I will reveal a terrible secret to you - a cast-iron weight put into orbit will also fly. Long. Great for you to fly.
            From the spacecraft is still required a little different.
      2. Parsec
        Parsec 18 May 2016 01: 29
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        They are preparing forces for an "instant global strike" and neutralizing a retaliatory strike against Russia's strategic nuclear forces with the help of missile defense.


        Adventure, class SOI.

        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Global Hook for 24 hours in the RBD is barring in readiness to destroy the designated target.


        Global Hawk, pronounced Global Hawk in Russian, translates as a global hawk, but not a hook, as you write. Shows the degree of ownership of the subject. Reconnaissance apparatus, unacceptably expensive to operate and maintain. Probably wanted to say something about the MQ-9 Reaper (Predator-2)? So yes, blood runs cold - cruising 250 km / h, loading 4 ATGMs or 2 Mk82 bombs, an analogue of our FAB-250. But the bombs are no longer 30 hours in the air, and the range is half that. However, it barrages in readiness to strike. At what distance from the target and is the target defined? It’s one thing to track a bearded man in a kishlak by laser target designation from the ground, and it’s another thing to break through an air defense and hit a covered target with Helfires or bombs.

        And now they’ll rush at all 250 km / h with the whole armada of 100 pieces, and here the apocalypse, the entire fleet, and three hours will not pass — will be already over the administrative centers of the country. Kranty, what is already there.

        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        lasers, railguns, automatic combat space aircraft X-37V,


        The Boeing combat laser is closed. Although they were explained to them eight years ago - you won’t develop the energies needed to damage the target by at least 500 km, there’s no source, no focusing systems can withstand the required energies, no control system from a mobile platform in an unsteady environment will work out over more space purpose.

        Railgun - a gamble that does not fit into the energy requirements even with superconducting coils.

        Automatic space planes - and many in service? And when are we expecting?
        1. potroshenko
          potroshenko 18 May 2016 14: 20
          +1
          The Boeing combat laser is closed. Although they were explained to them eight years ago - you won’t develop the energies needed to damage the target by at least 500 km, there’s no source, no focusing systems can withstand the required energies, no control system from a mobile platform in an unsteady environment will work out over more space purpose.

          You are a strange man. It was a technology development platform. And they will install combat lasers on aircraft against air-to-air missiles and air defense missile systems within a radius of 10-15 km.
          1. Parsec
            Parsec 18 May 2016 16: 18
            0
            Quote: potroshenko
            It was a technology development platform.


            Yeah?

            And announced as a means to combat the ICBMs ...

            Well, it didn’t work out, they built a super-gun, now we’ll make small snacks out of it.
            If this works out.
          2. Berkut752
            Berkut752 20 May 2016 00: 04
            0
            In life - as in the chair of a dentist: all the time it seems that the main thing will still be, but it is already behind.
            Never believe Russian, for Russians do not even believe in themselves.
            Quote Explanation:
            It is said before the beginning of the Berlin Congress of 1878.
            If you google it, you will find out where the US military laser comes from. Even earlier, he stopped (FOR TECHNICAL REASONS) the development of the USSR. A prototype, they found in the Ukrainian dump of ships. Thanks to the Ukrainians, they managed to hand over half of them for scrap. The empty amidships of the ships were sold to Germany for scrap.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 18 May 2016 16: 14
          +1
          Quote: Parsec
          Adventure, class SOI.
          Yes, an adventure ... But such a task has been set, and it is being carried out by a powerful military-industrial complex, and R&D is being carried out without cancellation.
          Quote: Parsec
          Shows the degree of ownership of the subject.
          You are right: I do not own, but the General Staff did not complain. laughing
          Quote: Parsec
          Probably, they wanted to say something about the MQ-9 Reaper. So yes, blood runs cold - cruising 250 km / h, loading 4 ATGMs or 2 Mk82 bombs, an analogue of our FAB-250. But the bombs are no longer 30 hours in the air, and the range is half that. Blah blah blah...
          Who about what, and lousy about the bath! Completeness, my friend! Love for NE does not replace the whole variety of types of aircraft! I propose to look towards the Air Force.
          1.Flight performance:
          Max. horizontal flight speed, km / h - 800
          Max. cruising speed at the optimum height, km / h - 650
          ceiling, m - 19812
          range, km - 24985
          flight duration with maximum refueling, h - 36.
          (www.arms-expo.ru)
          2. The modified aircraft could rise 20 km in height with heavy scientific equipment on board (907 kg).
          (http://avia.pro/blog/rq-4-global-hawk)
          3.
          Unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) of the US Air Force RQ-4 Global Hawk (Global Hawk) reached a record high in the duration of stay in the air, spending 665 hours in the air for one week.
          http://www.arms-expo.ru/news...
          4. Currently in service with the US Air Force there are 32 UAVs "Global Hawk"
          Quote: Parsec
          The Boeing combat laser is closed.

          And for space !? And then:
          The installation of HEL MD (High Energy Laser Mobile Demonstrator) on a wheeled platform struck 90 shells of 60-mm mortars and several drones at a distance of 1800 to 2700 meters. They plan to increase the power of the installation from 10 to 100 kW. If the tests are successful, then by 2022 the laser on wheels will enter service. And more recently, the Air Force command unveiled a program for installing combat lasers on sixth generation fighters until 2030. But already a combat laser is installed on the Pons ship, which is used today in the Middle East.

          So, not all exceptional statements should be believed! yes
          1. Parsec
            Parsec 18 May 2016 17: 26
            0
            GS, fullness, my friend ... Do not try to play the colonel of the old school, you will not succeed. Show off what control and when.

            You got a lousy topic, what are you scaring in point 1?

            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) of the US Air Force RQ-4 Global Hawk (Global Hawk) reached a record high in the duration of stay in the air, spending 665 hours in the air for one week.


            You should also master the language of the enemy so that you can understand all the nonsense translated by the girls. 665 hours a week is 95 hours a day, seven days a week. Or let them indicate the number of cars that flew these hours in a week, or let them check the flight time, or write "the RQ-4 type flew 665 hours in a week," otherwise, in your opinion, it turns out that your "Global Hook" broke through or went out into superlight.

            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Installing HEL MD (High Energy Laser Mobile Demonstrator)


            We paid attention to the name - Mobile demonstrator of a high-energy laser. Not a prototype, not a prototype, but a demonstrator. Those. It is not limited by time, nor mass, nor logistics, nor atmospheric conditions. We demonstrate that laser radiation affects objects of this class at such a range. No one said - either the fuse was heated, or the body was melted, or the tail unit was sawn off. So, they destroyed a 60 mm mine (well, that’s an impenetrable shield) and several models (what? How?) Of drones and that’s all.

            And even further, it is even more interesting - "The power of the installation is planned to be increased from 10 to 100 kW." "If the tests are successful, by 2022 ... into service." So, we plan to increase the power by 10 times, and then if successful. Ishak, emir, Khoja.

            What GS, you don’t know how to read a murzilka ...
          2. Parsec
            Parsec 18 May 2016 17: 53
            0
            As for up to 665 hours in a week: well, they did. As a scout, this is a characteristic of only weight / aerodynamic perfection, an engine, the presence of kerosene, free crews and the will of command. The results of the intelligence itself, for which this device was coined, the public does not know. But ouuuu is 665 hours, well, what is it that he has been exploring there, ouuuu ....
        3. Disant
          Disant 18 May 2016 17: 57
          0
          Quote: BoA KAA

          They are preparing forces for an "instant global strike" and neutralizing a retaliatory strike against Russia's strategic nuclear forces with the help of missile defense.

          Parsec
          Adventure, class SOI.

          that is, you already consider the already deployed and existing forces and infrastructure of the NATO missile defense an adventure?
          and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in a parallel universe respond asymmetrically to them in the style of the Sarmatians, Iskander, all kinds of deployments of radar fields throughout the country, tracking stations?
          I think you got excited ...
          and the cm-3 standard rocket they have been filed for decades
          1. Parsec
            Parsec 18 May 2016 21: 08
            0
            Infrastructure, of course, explains a lot.

            SM-3, you yourself write that they’ve been drafting a decade with a file, no one has tested and proved the effectiveness; The Americans themselves declare that in order to destroy one ICBM, four missiles are needed, and 20 missiles under cover of false targets. Those. the launch of three ICBMs from Iran with a short interval puts the system. What about five rockets?

            ABM is conceived as an opportunity to have a positional area near the borders of the Russian Federation, and what will be placed in this PR, and when and how SM-3 will be replaced with something ground-to-ground, is another matter.

            "RF in a parallel universe ..." - europee or something under-integrated?
            Normally, in this universe in the avatom, the missile defense positional areas will be destroyed without any alternatives during exacerbation.
  12. morprepud
    morprepud 17 May 2016 22: 36
    +2
    The decrepitude of their "army men" in the mattress makers is obvious due to the lack of understanding of the warriors WHERE, with whom and for the sake of WHAT are they fighting this time? And what kind of "patriotism" is there?
  13. Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev 17 May 2016 22: 43
    0
    Quote: Monos
    Quote: Bradypodidae
    Another hatred


    Not at all. Simply, you have gone to the wrong steppe. I gave an example of the morally obsolete (years on 50) weapons of the Americans and did not at all praise our aircraft (although there is something to be proud of!).
    Why didn’t you give data on the number of our self-propelled guns? 600 pcs. when the rate of fire is 5 times greater than that of the Paladin, they do not look so derogatory, isn’t it?

    Well, what's the matter. Will we kill these diapers? It’s time for the next imperialist slaughter to gather, so it turns out?
    1. Azitral
      Azitral 18 May 2016 01: 12
      +1
      When, after the collapse, they make a brand new army with a needle, it will certainly be put into action. They try one of the brazen or gapeous neighbors for a tooth. I tried to find exceptions, but I couldn’t. Unfortunately. A couple of successes like the Crimean one, and such a scenario will become highly probable.
  14. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 17 May 2016 22: 47
    +11
    No matter how bad it was for them, I do not forget that in terms of combat capabilities, innovative development and powerful strong rear, the Americans have no equal. In addition, only they have not emerged from wars of varying intensity in recent decades. And the experience of successful counteraction is complex. Only they have an equipped army (their allies do not count, because their participation in these wars was fragmentary). Serbia and Iraq, especially Iraq. Be that as it may, but the defeat of the troops of Saddam inflicted quickly and decisively. that: "of course, because the Iraqi army lagged behind technically, inert operational thinking, and the generals betrayed and the people turned out to be not monolithic !!!" --- this is firstly the problems of the Iraqis themselves, and secondly, the problems of the Iraqis themselves. there are some imbalances in their military development and they are publicly discussing this, firstly, it is just that their internal political process is structured like that, and secondly, this does not mean that others have all squadrons and divisions of 100% combat readiness. not forgetting Let’s take into account the weight of their sanctions and ours (this is me about economic levers) and the fact that there is no VD and the USSR, and the Americans have successfully tidied up their potential and are able, able (damn it !!!) to build relationships with their allies. in the Western strategic direction, only Belarusians remained, and you just wait ... and angry articles about them began to appear frequently. It is very bad that the interests of state oligarchs (and others have been withdrawn from us) are above the interests of political ones, we have no strategy for years. And without such a strategy, we will be swayed by oil prices and the interests of our elite, or rather, our dear gentlemen. Enrichment is certainly good, but everything must be according to the rules, and the law must be on guard. Only competition and independence of hierarchies It works in all processes and gives the result number one. Only with us, a happy exception: the anointed one, the institution of acceptance and the lack of jurisdiction of the gorillas who form this system and work for personal business results.
    1. Undermined ustoev
      Undermined ustoev 17 May 2016 23: 34
      +5
      Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! Only one small addition. There is also capitalism, with only one difference. The United States is a fully developed imperialist state at the head of NATO, where the United States military standards are used. That is, all the production capacities of the military-industrial complex of Europe will immediately begin to stamp military equipment according to a single standard in huge quantities, which the personnel of this very NATO are trained to use. Plus combat experience, plus a single command. What can Russia oppose to this, where a comprador policy continues aimed at the destruction of enterprises for profit in dollars? Only a nuclear club. Special thanks to Academician Solomonov for being able to defend and maintain such a weighty argument.
      1. Azitral
        Azitral 18 May 2016 01: 31
        0
        If capitalism is bad, then "developed", in theory, should be worse.
      2. Parsec
        Parsec 18 May 2016 01: 35
        0
        Quote: Undermining the Foundations
        Special thanks to Academician Solomonov for being able to defend and maintain such a weighty argument.


        Solomon is engaged in carriers.
  15. vetor
    vetor 17 May 2016 22: 50
    +3
    Another horror story for congressmen like money still give. The Russians are coming. And we are worse than ever.
  16. atamankko
    atamankko 17 May 2016 23: 12
    +2
    We must strengthen our defenses
    and hatred away.
  17. BABA SHURA
    BABA SHURA 17 May 2016 23: 17
    +2
    Even in such a deplorable state, turn anyone with fur inside! Besides ...
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  19. Gennady Alexandrovich
    Gennady Alexandrovich 17 May 2016 23: 48
    +3
    Since the US Army does not want to be friends with the Russian Army ... nehayah decrepit ╬
  20. Sergey333
    Sergey333 18 May 2016 00: 17
    +4
    Pleasing news, let them continue to move in this direction laughing
  21. aba
    aba 18 May 2016 00: 45
    0
    Maybe decrepit, but still alive. wink
  22. Romin
    Romin 18 May 2016 00: 48
    +3
    Believe statistics or such false patriotic reprints, decide for everyone independently.
    You can live in illusions and believe in fairy tales - easily.
    Faced with reality and looking at statistics is soberly difficult
    Today, the US and NATO countries are superior to Russia in terms of numbers, mobilization resources, production base and weapons; as economically.
    The only thing that saves us right now is the Strategic Missile Forces and TNW.
  23. Zlyden.Zlo
    Zlyden.Zlo 18 May 2016 01: 41
    +1
    There is no need to take the moans of American generals so seriously ... Fraud and corruption are such that our military never dreamed of ... The more they scare, the more money they get
  24. Bort radist
    Bort radist 18 May 2016 03: 52
    +3
    The Senate of the United States approved Eric Fanning as Minister of the Army (Ground Forces). This is the first open bugger who leads one of the military branches. According to Reuters.
    "New blood" so to speak. Hurray - comrades! fellow
    1. major124
      major124 18 May 2016 04: 45
      +1
      Now our soldiers need to issue armored vehicles .... It is not known what his Amer minister will teach ....
    2. Warlock
      Warlock 18 May 2016 09: 42
      +1
      A real fighting bugger laughing
  25. Egen
    Egen 18 May 2016 05: 40
    0
    ))) Th, in the USA our 90 has arrived? )) In general, every army is manifested in a war ... while participation of their army in any local conflicts is not expected, aviation and carriers in Libya and so on do not count. And at home they have a national guard. So, we will see.
  26. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 18 May 2016 05: 47
    +2
    If interventionalism — political and inevitably the military behind it — remains the dominant ideology, then the growing inability of the United States to maintain the status of a “world military superpower” may cause serious new risks for Russia.

    This is true, a rat that has been stepped on its tail is especially dangerous and fierce.
    But in principle, this information, in a scattered form, has long appeared on the Internet. Recently, USA deployed B-50 bombers from the 52s to the Middle East. Of the 10 operating aircraft carriers, only 6 were launched in the 80-90s, the rest in the 60-70s.
    The Pentagon from 1999 of the year cannot report for 8.5 trillions of dollars, there are no documents.
    http://ruxpert.ru/%CA%EE%F0%F0%F3%EF%F6%E8%FF_%E2_%D1%D8%C0
  27. Yak28
    Yak28 18 May 2016 06: 37
    +1
    US military bases and missile defense bases are being built near our borders, and not Russian bases near the state borders, US warships are sailing next to Russian territorial waters, and not vice versa. It was the Russian leadership that was actively ruining and plundering the army, while selling secrets abroad, so why the army Is the USA decrepit? And if you take the fleet, or rather the number and variety of floating means, then the USA has gone 50 years ahead, if the states do not build ships in 50-70 years, and Russia will, then it will still be far from the US level. the only thing the United States is afraid of is that in the event of a retaliatory nuclear strike by Russia, they will miss several cities, without nuclear weapons Russia has against the United States, and even more so NATO has no chance.
    1. Disant
      Disant 18 May 2016 18: 28
      -1
      about floating barges - this is understandable. they will not sail further than the coast.
      but about
      without nuclear weapons Russia has against the United States, and even more so NATO has no chance.
      this is from the series: if my grandmother had this, then she would be a grandfather.
      but about
      in the event of a retaliatory nuclear strike by Russia, they will be missing several cities
      - even though hotheads do not hope and do not try to pour into the ears of ordinary American people - there’s nothing to bring down Russian mbrs flying in the direction of America. enough for everyone. They will see the starts, yes, they will control where they fly. but there’s nothing to bring down. until. let them be wise, spend money. once lasers have to earn and supersonic !! Well, against the European theater of NATO, there are ground forces with tactical nuclear weapons, including such carriers as self-propelled artillery mounts and further on the list: swords, sticks, stones ...
  28. Evil 55
    Evil 55 18 May 2016 08: 14
    -1
    Well, not just a few, but 90 percent of the States will go under water .. For the Yellowstone volcano is not located on the Central Siberian Plateau, and a dozen "Calibers" in the liver are enough for it to wake up ..
  29. Arkan
    Arkan 18 May 2016 09: 11
    -1
    The navel of the Americans has not yet torn, but is already untying. You need to live within your means, the printing press will not help staffers, because their education and training system has failed. Exercise machines may be good, but competent people should sit behind them. Real, virtual training of personnel will not replace.
  30. cedar
    cedar 18 May 2016 10: 00
    +1
    Anglo-Americans would be suckers if they put on one skate in their global games and races. The practice of constant upheavals, which they successfully organized and organize around the world, turning it into their chicken coop, clearly showed us that the army plays in the struggle for power an important, but not the first role. In the first place, information technology management controls the consciousness of the masses. THE USSR!!! There is neither place nor time to list them. At VO they were discussed, you can discuss again. It is for the development of such technologies and their implementation that budget funds are redistributed, it is from them that those in power expect the maximum benefits and success in the struggle for world domination! For example, take the GUGL, he invests gigobucks in space, he even bought a cosmodrome (maybe someone, what? Kuru, or what ?!) to launch relay satellites. It gets along with some repeaters on aerosons with constant positioning, so that not only in cities and towns, but also in each, chum, wigwam and tent, one could command: "Do as I do!" Needless to say, GUGL is far from alone in its ... aspirations.
    As for the reduction of the zapadnyanskaya army, one should not lose sight of the simultaneous growth of PMCs, in which almost all types of "downsized" armed forces of the adversary are represented! PMCs are much more convenient and profitable for TNCs, which in fact have become states within states, so waiting for an official declaration of war is a dead matter. Well, there will absolutely be menopause and schizophrenia in one bottle, if we lead to the crocodile tears of the Anglo-American trap. Damn it!
  31. Backfire
    Backfire 18 May 2016 10: 42
    +1
    It's just that American generals want to knock out more money and therefore shout about the devastation. wink
  32. Bayun
    Bayun 18 May 2016 15: 51
    -1
    "The decrepitude of iron" is a general trend of the entire world civilization. It is IMPOSSIBLE to write "war and peace" on computer buttons! It is also impossible to create in AutoCAD what they did on the drawing boards. The interface "man-buttons-screen" (already 1: 2 in favor of the machine) significantly loses in CREATIVITY to the more "primitive": "man-hand-paper" (3: 0 in favor of man).

    There is no need for any fantastic "Skynet", under the influence of cybernetics-electronics, all hardware, including military hardware, will "grow decrepit" and break at the speed of the life cycle of electronics. Modern electronics CANNOT be preserved. So 1000 old American planes are no longer combat equipment. This T34 can be started from a pedestal and used in battle, with an aircraft from the 1970s-1980s, this will not work without deep factory service.

    The key problem is that no one today calculates the Criteria criterion for the application of new technologies. And the matter is moving towards the TECHNOLOGICAL collapse of Civilization, where the problems of the military industry are the first bell. With similar processes (cars and household appliances - increasingly lower quality) in civilian industries, the collapse of the system is inevitable.
  33. Every
    Every 19 May 2016 00: 57
    0
    Quote: godofwar6699


    Msta-s can shoot high-precision shells?


    Dear, what about the cost of such a shell?
    For information:the cost of each shell - 144 thousand dollars
    In order not to be unfounded: http://army-news.ru/2012/09/upravlyaemyj-snaryad-m982-ekskalibur/
    PS
    With a fool, you can also shoot gold bars