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Can the Belarusian defense industry replace Russian enterprises in Russia?

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Can the Belarusian defense industry replace Russian enterprises in Russia?



After the collapse of the USSR in Ukraine, a large number of enterprises of the military-industrial complex remained that had close ties with the Russian defense industry. In particular, Kiev got almost a third of the factories and design bureaus of rocket and aviation industries of the former Union. Currently, in sovereign Ukraine, these enterprises are part of the Ukroboronprom state concern.

Cooperation between the Russian and Ukrainian military industrial complex was maintained in the post-Soviet period. However, after Moscow recognized the territory of the Crimean Peninsula as an integral part of Russia, Ukroboronprom announced that it had ceased all deliveries of military products to the Russian Federation. President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko even signed a corresponding decree introducing a decision of the National Security and Defense Council, in which the cabinet of ministers was charged with taking measures to stop the export of military goods and dual use to a neighboring country.

Many experts immediately pointed out that mutual damage would amount to hundreds of millions of dollars. So, only the volume of exports of Ukrainian goods for the needs of the Russian military industrial complex before the events described above exceeded 1 billion dollars a year, and the total portfolio of Russian civilian and military orders placed on Ukrainian enterprises was 15 billion US dollars or 8,2% of Ukraine's GDP.

Of course, the sudden cessation of deliveries of equipment and components of more than a billion dollars is unacceptable luxury and enormous damage, especially in a tense military and political situation in the region and the world as a whole. Therefore, for the Russian side, the question of import substitution of Ukrainian products, whose relevance has not disappeared to this day, has become very acute.

Despite the power of the enterprises of the Russian military industrial complex, it is simply impossible to completely replace the products supplied from Ukraine in the shortest possible time - a significant amount of money is needed, and most importantly, time. In this regard, it would be logical for enterprises of the Russian defense industry to draw attention to their allies, partners in the CIS and the CSTO, for example, Belarus, which, by the way, repeatedly offered its helping hand to Moscow.

It's no secret that in Belarus there remained a number of high-tech defense enterprises, which, although they did not produce ready-made weapons, but produced a huge number of components for various equipment and models. weapons. In addition, Belarusians, unlike our other partners, were able to keep the production school, traditions, design offices, specialists, and most importantly, sales markets appeared - the products of the Belarusian defense industry are highly valued in many countries of the world. The main incentive for this is a well-thought-out pricing policy, which provides Belarusian enterprises with partnership contracts with many countries. These include not only the countries of the former USSR, but also the Middle East, Central and Central Asia, South America and Africa. The queue for the Belarusian technologies are, including the United Arab Emirates, which are known for their selectivity in the procurement of military equipment.

So why do we spend billions, but do not take full advantage of opportunities to minimize the damage from the break with Ukraine?

Among the flagships of the Belarusian defense-industrial complex with which they do not hesitate to cooperate in the world can be attributed, for example, Minsk "Peleng", "Integral", "Belspetsvneshtehnika", "BelOMO". These enterprises can easily replace the units produced at Cherkasy “Photodevice”, Kiev “Arsenal” and Lviv “Lorte”.

It will take an unreasonably large amount of resources, time and the fact that everything will go as planned, to create similar production capacities in Russia. In the current situation, when our state is drawn into the struggle for the status of world leader, this is sorely lacking.

In addition, the list of products manufactured by Belarusian enterprises of the military-industrial complex should also include the most modern radars, electronic intelligence and combat tools, the quality and reliability of which have been repeatedly confirmed, including in combat conditions. By the way, it was the Belarusian radar and EW system that allowed Iran in 2011 to seize control and land the newest American intelligence drone Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel ("Sentinel") on its own airfield. The Russian army, which is interesting, even as of the middle of 2012, did not have the technical means to accomplish such a task.

However, radar and electronic warfare are only the tip of the iceberg. For the military industrial complex of the Russian Federation, the production of Motor Sich, a Zaporizhia-based enterprise, is a separate and most painful point in terms of import substitution. Ukrainian corporation supplied helicopter, aircraft and rocket engines to Russia.
In this regard, it is important to note the fact that in the year 2014, as part of the import substitution program at the Russian OAO Klimov, the development of its own production of the TVZ-117 family of helicopters from all Russian components began. However, the planned capacity of the enterprise did not work. And again, you can safely turn your eyes to the neighboring country. Orsha Aircraft Repair Plant, which, in addition to repairing helicopters, starting with 2014, started producing engines for cruise missiles by 2020, will produce helicopter engines, which are so necessary for us.

For Russia, cooperation with this enterprise looks the most effective and expedient. Indeed, while the production of engines in Omsk will be adjusted, the Orshansky aircraft repair plant will already be able to supply them for the needs of the VKS in the required quantity.

Thus, almost all Ukrainian exports, which Russia lost in 2014, can already be found in Belarus. This kind of cooperation will no doubt benefit both parties. Moreover, the Belarusians have never failed the Russian side in the matter of supplying components for the Russian armed forces, and, if necessary, Russia has always had a means of influence on Belarus.

Of course, Minsk and Moscow closely cooperate in the military-industrial complex, they have a number of agreements. However, at the hearing there is not a single major Russian contract with Belarus. Moscow, to the detriment of itself, simply ignores any attempt at cooperation, which at the moment would have been very helpful. Instead of the offered finished products from a country fairly close to us, Russia is in a hurry starting to create its expensive “bicycle”, and as the Russian proverb says: it will not be born soon.
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  1. avvg
    avvg 17 May 2016 18: 48
    +31
    It is a pity that under the USSR not all defense industry enterprises were located on the territory of the RSFSR.
    1. Teberii
      Teberii 17 May 2016 18: 50
      +26
      It is a pity that we have lost such a country, and it's too late to bite your elbows.
      1. Cheshire
        Cheshire 17 May 2016 19: 04
        -3
        It’s a pity that we lost such a country

        Continuing your thought, we need a new Union. We must work in this direction, which means war, because the West will not let us unite.
      2. bronik
        bronik 17 May 2016 19: 08
        +13
        can be attributed, for example, Minsk "Peleng", "Integral", "Belspetsvneshtekhnika", "BelOMO

        The best optics have always been made by the Krasnogorsk Mechanical Plant - "Zenith" aka KMZ.
        Now there is silence. Here you need to restore YOURSELF, then you don’t need to buy someone else's either.
        1. svp67
          svp67 17 May 2016 20: 03
          +9
          Quote: bronik
          So you need to restore YOURSELF, then you don’t need to buy a stranger either.

          Correctly. Therefore, to the question:
          Can the Belarusian defense industry replace Russian enterprises in Russia?
          The answer is NO. Ukrainian enterprises of Russia are obliged to replace the enterprises of Russia.
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 17 May 2016 20: 58
            +7
            According to the plan, it was necessary to replace 826 items of Ukrainian components and 127 western ones. Until about 2023. If Belarusian products can temporarily replace part of this, then why not? In which case, the import of Belarusian products will be clearly faster, maybe less. But in the end, it’s more profitable to import everything by yourself. It will be longer, but more reliable. hi
            1. rpek32
              rpek32 17 May 2016 21: 41
              +8
              Can the Belarusian defense industry replace Russian enterprises in Russia?

              the question is not the one in the title.
              it would be right: when the Russian defense industry ceases to be 100% dependent on foreign components
              1. g1v2
                g1v2 17 May 2016 21: 59
                +1
                Even in the 90s, it was not 100 percent dependent on imports. Tch the meaning of komenta is not clear. The fact that after the collapse of the union a significant part of the military-industrial complex ended up on the territory of other state-in-it happened. All this was originally created as a single complex. As for the fact that import substitution was not carried out - also not true. In 1992, about 20 thousand Ukrainian enterprises worked for the general defense industry, and in 2014 there were only 826 unsubstituted components. Why weren’t they replaced? So the choice was either to engage in import substitution expensively or to buy the equipment itself with the money from the troops. request Now there is no choice - import will have to be replaced.
                1. rpek32
                  rpek32 17 May 2016 22: 57
                  0
                  Quote: g1v2
                  Even in the 90s, it was not 100 percent dependent on imports.

                  I do not declare this. the bottom line is if imagine such a spherical country in a vacuum that completely provides its own Armed Forces - it seems to be looking pretty good. and such articles will not be needed.
          2. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 18 May 2016 02: 32
            +2
            As a matter of fact, it is not particularly to count on Belarusian enterprises ... An example is near ... The defense industry should be only domestic.
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 18 May 2016 20: 05
              0
              Belarus, the brotherly republic to us all - one of the 3 founders of the new Eurasian integration - is the outpost of Eurasia in the west, as well as Kazakhstan in the south.

              And she also preserved the scientific and industrial potential - which it would be a mistake not to use now

              But Belarus is very poorly located - right on the border with the main potential enemy
              Remember 1941 - when in a hurry I had to transport all enterprises to the Urals and to Kazakhstan.

              Important things still need to be kept away from the border - probably Russia needs to think about duplicating this somewhere deeper on its territory
        2. m262
          m262 17 May 2016 21: 07
          +2
          The Israeli army is not shy about buying sights and NVD Belomo and Vavilov.
        3. anfil
          anfil 18 May 2016 06: 54
          +2
          Quote: bronik
          can be attributed, for example, Minsk "Peleng", "Integral", "Belspetsvneshtekhnika", "BelOMO

          The best optics have always been made by the Krasnogorsk Mechanical Plant - "Zenith" aka KMZ.
          Now there is silence. Here you need to restore YOURSELF, then you don’t need to buy someone else's either.


          What kind of "silence" are we talking about ?!

          In 2010, production produced an observational device with gyroscopic stabilization and electronic recording of the Zenit DSP image, as well as the HORIZON D-L3 electronic panoramic camera, which was demonstrated at the international exhibition PHOTOKINA-2010 (gram. Cologne, Germany).

          In 2011, the plant was awarded the Grand Prix for its major contribution to the development of optoelectronic galactic instrument engineering at the VII international conference “Optical Devices and Methods - OPTICS-EXPO 2011”. In addition, in the current quarter, KMZ OJSC launched large-scale production of the latest Zenit PKM-A collimator sight, designed to simplify, increase the speed and accuracy of aiming from small arms, providing a wide view by simultaneously aiming and following the pair of optics.

          Over the past decade, production has completed the development of a number of models of municipal significance, of which:

          ensemble of optoelectronic equipment for remote sensing of the Earth;
          high-precision optical-electronic system for the Iskander ensemble;
          multichannel sighting systems for helicopters;
          a series of high-precision sights for small sports and hunting weapons;
          sighting ensembles for armored vehicles,

          and the sequence of other models of civil and medical equipment:

          night sighting devices of II + and III generations;
          telephoto imaging devices;
          hip arthroplasty;
          slit lamp "Zenith-LS-1" for ophthalmology.

          The bulk of the created models mastered in serial production, including other enterprises in the optical field.

          In 2012, KMZ OJSC celebrates its own 70 summer anniversary. Most of the activities of the KMZ OJSC staff were awarded the highest municipal awards and prizes, and gained worthy recognition in the scientific community.
        4. perm23
          perm23 18 May 2016 08: 16
          0
          Only have everything of your own and do. In order to have your own salary and so that, with all sorts of Maidan, you do not have to start all over again.
    2. HERMES
      HERMES 17 May 2016 18: 51
      +9
      Quote: avvg
      Can the Belarusian defense industry replace Russian enterprises in Russia?

      It depends more on the decision of the Old Man) His actions lately are somewhat suspicious.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 17 May 2016 18: 58
        0
        A literate old man ... a small country like a small boat maneuvers in this wild modern political storm ... both ours and yours .. and what remains for him?
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 17 May 2016 18: 59
          +12
          and what remains for him?


          to hold a referendum and join the Russian Federation by all 8 millions of residents.

          And then it is being branded and will become another anti-Russian project on the territory of the former USSR

          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 17 May 2016 19: 35
            +9
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            to hold a referendum and join the Russian Federation by all 8 millions of residents.


            it is not for this that the institutions of power and the "historians" of Belarus are driving their "thousand-year" independent history from Russia into the heads of young people.
            So, thanks to the authorities, Belarus has been hammered into the heads of young Belarusians as "Belarus is not Russia" since the time of independence.
            Whether it will pass to the formula "Belarus is Anti-Russia" depends on the Belarusian authorities and the Belarusian people themselves.
          2. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 17 May 2016 19: 39
            +1
            Well, after 100 years, Lukashenko will resign, then let him hold a referendum smile Personally, I love and respect Belarusians so much - only for))))
            1. Anatole Klim
              Anatole Klim 17 May 2016 19: 52
              +3
              Quote: Dr. Bormental
              Well, after 100 years, Lukashenko will leave his post

              What kind of Lukashenko do you mean II, III or IY.
              how he takes care of his country, young man.

              Yes, he cares first of all to preserve his power, do not be so naive Doctor. Remember how he shouted in Moscow before his election that he would not give power to anyone.
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          4. Eragon
            Eragon 17 May 2016 19: 55
            +2
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            to hold a referendum and join the Russian Federation by all 8 millions of residents.

            Why do we join the Russian Federation? Become another province? No thanks. You deal with those provinces that are. For example, gas and cable Internet in each village, optics for each subscriber in n.p. with a population of over 1000 people. And put better products on the shelves. Then maybe we’ll think about it.
            1. non-Jewish
              non-Jewish 17 May 2016 20: 08
              +4
              Quote: Eragon
              Why do we join the Russian Federation?

              That's really valid. So they would build nuclear power plants at their own expense. It's good to sit on the Russian theme.
            2. reservist
              reservist 17 May 2016 20: 25
              +6
              Don’t take it as a collision, but since I haven’t been to Belarus for a very long time, I’ll ask you - have you got gas and Internet via fiber optic to every rural house?
              1. Eragon
                Eragon 18 May 2016 06: 26
                +1
                Quote: reservist
                Don’t take it as a collision, but since I haven’t been to Belarus for a very long time, I’ll ask you - have you got gas and Internet via fiber optic to every rural house?

                Apart from the villages where there are a dozen houses left, gas is everywhere, but not in every hut, but in those where people wanted to take it. They started laying down optics in my village this month.
                1. reservist
                  reservist 18 May 2016 11: 44
                  +1
                  But are there anyone who wants to live without gas?
                  I would love to spend it in the country, if the price of the issue did not "bite" ...
                  1. Eragon
                    Eragon 19 May 2016 14: 01
                    0
                    Quote: reservist
                    But are there anyone who wants to live without gas?
                    I would love to spend it in the country, if the price of the issue did not "bite" ...

                    That's the trouble that does not bite, but gnaws. Expensive.
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            3. Muvka
              Muvka 17 May 2016 20: 25
              +3
              Quote: Eragon
              Quote: s-t Petrov
              to hold a referendum and join the Russian Federation by all 8 millions of residents.

              Why do we join the Russian Federation? Become another province? No thanks. You deal with those provinces that are. For example, gas and cable Internet in each village, optics for each subscriber in n.p. with a population of over 1000 people. And put better products on the shelves. Then maybe we’ll think about it.

              Why are you not happy with our products?
            4. abarth
              abarth 17 May 2016 20: 41
              +1
              firstly, we don’t call you to our place; you pay for gas. for starters ... in the second place you have a full G ... that is, chicken .... everywhere even in pork .. in the second place, you can faint ... 500 rubles per kg of withered neck there’s no fire .. .. yes Vitebsk is everything, in Vitebsk and Minsk ... etc. and the like ... where did people get decent money from?
              the roads are full of slag ... and you build them for a long, long time ... but don’t tell me about those that were built for the 80 Olympics ...
              and then don’t load ... with such salaries, you can’t buy anything besides chickens .. and your export has grown by 1,5%, and we have by 2%, Belarus is Russia.

              Thirdly, you almost leaned towards nationalism, you forgot Olga, the Poles founded everything there))) especially that village until 1917 ... Minsk. So, right ... hell, we’ll raise our own))) .... and you are awesome type workers .. as you say to yourself, but in Russia everyone drinks, these are your statements, there really isn’t ... the road we have ... a split))), brothers ... to hell with you, only a full mutual settlement, pay the money !!!
          5. kuz363
            kuz363 17 May 2016 20: 11
            -8
            Just do not enter Russia. It will turn out a mess similar to Crimea. When private owners occupy land, people cannot go to the sea to swim on the city beach ... Around the fences, barbed wire, and the rods are coated with grease. For this, did the people vote for Russia?
          6. gur4enk
            gur4enk 18 May 2016 19: 16
            0
            After most of your gall comments, even those like me - respecting Russia and rejoicing for its success for a short time, I really want to do an anti-Russian project! No matter how you start to read komenty - Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia - all bad. By the way, in the Republic of Belarus Russians are treated much better than in some regions of the Russian Federation itself.
        2. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 17 May 2016 19: 37
          +11
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Old Man competent delaga ...

          I would be literate would not chat:
          “We are scared that Russia, they say, will invent its own“ centipedes ”and will transport nuclear warheads on its own - and on health! If they have today brains and money that they don’t have - let them invent! ”- said Lukashenko, referring to the director of the state enterprise MZKT and a group of officials accompanying him.
          After that, Almaz-Antey bought BAZ and all Russian air defense systems will be on the BAZ chassis.
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          both ours and yours .. and what remains for him?

          When the money runs out again, he has to remember again about the Union State and seek another loan.
          1. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 17 May 2016 19: 45
            -2
            Well, what ... as it is. He cares about his country, he has to get out. As a politician, I don’t respect him. He plays in 2 fields, and how he cares about his country is a young man.
        3. alllll
          alllll 17 May 2016 20: 48
          +6
          The example of Ukraine should open his eyes to him, he’ll manage a little with his maneuvering and his whole country will go along his beard.
          1. Franciscan
            Franciscan 18 May 2016 00: 36
            0
            Rather, the geo-political multi-tracker should draw the appropriate conclusions from the fate of Yanukovych.
        4. Homo
          Homo 17 May 2016 21: 09
          +4
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          . small country as a small boat maneuvers

          It is not the country who maneuvers, but personally "Old Man". As if stranded wink sat down!
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 17 May 2016 18: 58
        -3
        A literate old man ... a small country like a small boat maneuvers in this wild modern political storm ... both ours and yours .. and what remains for him?
      3. Lieutenant Izhe
        Lieutenant Izhe 17 May 2016 19: 39
        +5
        It depends more on the decision of the Old Man) His actions lately are somewhat suspicious.

        1.Not everything depends on Lukashenka's "passionate desires"
        2.Ukrainian design bureaus, production and testing facilities, and scientific schools (with them) have been developing for decades ..
        3. The tight limit of Belarusian resources:
        a) money
        b) technology
        c) .pecialists
        d). equipment, materials, etc.
        If Russia is experiencing certain difficulties with the Ukrainian defense "import substitution", then Belarus, and even more so, replacing the Ukrainian military-industrial complex in the Russian market of components is an impossible task!
    3. poquello
      poquello 17 May 2016 18: 52
      +1
      Quote: avvg
      It is a pity that under the USSR not all defense industry enterprises were located on the territory of the RSFSR.

      in,
      In particular, Kiev got almost a third of the factories and design bureaus of the missile and aviation industries of the former Union.

      then I look with rockets gone
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 May 2016 19: 09
      +12
      Can the Belarusian defense industry replace Russian enterprises in Russia?
      have already gone through this ... again to become addicted, this time from the "father's" quirks?
      1. poquello
        poquello 17 May 2016 19: 26
        +5
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Can the Belarusian defense industry replace Russian enterprises in Russia?
        have already gone through this ... again to become addicted, this time from the "father's" quirks?

        there are some incomprehensible graters with tractors, you also need to earn haemorrhage with rockets
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 17 May 2016 19: 18
      +8
      With the current capricious "multi-vector" leadership of Belarus, it is hardly worthwhile to seriously cooperate with it in the cooperation of the military-industrial complex. For western shaneshki they will hand over with giblets.
      1. Eragon
        Eragon 17 May 2016 19: 58
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        For western shaneshki surrender with giblets.

        So for 25 years there was both time and opportunity to turn in. And they handed a lot?
        1. aleks26
          aleks26 17 May 2016 22: 45
          0
          Quote: Eragon
          And they handed over a lot?

          And what was what to take?
        2. poquello
          poquello 17 May 2016 23: 29
          +2
          Quote: Eragon
          Quote: siberalt
          For western shaneshki surrender with giblets.

          So for 25 years there was both time and opportunity to turn in. And they handed a lot?

          I even remembered how Americans rushed to Ukrainian missile plants, and who would have thought, originality, its own history, Ukrainian identity reached its climax in the monuments of Bender, Shukhevych, and everything was so proud and innocent, and was fed from above, and from the outside, but also one people
    6. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 17 May 2016 20: 06
      +1
      Quote: avvg
      It is a pity that under the USSR not all defense industry enterprises were located on the territory of the RSFSR.

      So do not step on the same rake.
    7. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 17 May 2016 20: 06
      0
      Quote: avvg
      It is a pity that under the USSR not all defense industry enterprises were located on the territory of the RSFSR.

      So do not step on the same rake.
    8. Andrey K
      Andrey K 17 May 2016 20: 26
      +7
      Quote: avvg
      It is a pity that under the USSR not all defense industry enterprises were located on the territory of the RSFSR.

      Question: "Can the Belarusian military-industrial complex replace Ukrainian enterprises in Russia?"
      Answer: Maybe good
      But you must request
    9. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 17 May 2016 22: 01
      +3
      It is a pity that during the USSR many cities and territories with a predominant Russian population became part of other union republics.
  2. 3officer
    3officer 17 May 2016 18: 50
    +13
    Perhaps it can ... but Kazakhstan and Belarus, sooner or later, may repeat the fate of Ukraine with all that it implies. You can treat the US "import of revolutions and democracies" as you like, but it works and this is a fact.
    1. 31rus2
      31rus2 17 May 2016 18: 58
      -7
      dear, if we dissolve snot and shout that all are traitors, so why do we need the CSTO, BRICS, why do we need to communicate with anyone, after all, they will betray. But joint business, joint work and help, just won't let the "democrats" impose their the game
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 17 May 2016 19: 03
        +8
        joint work and help, just will not allow the "democrats" to impose their game


        Ukraine was offered $ 18 billion and they refused. And you are talking about some kind of hypothetical business and collaboration.
      2. Tu-214R
        Tu-214R 17 May 2016 19: 05
        +4
        The CSTO was created in the event of external threats, and if internal instability or civil war begins in the country, I think no one here will harness each other.
      3. 3officer
        3officer 17 May 2016 19: 08
        +6
        I do not dissolve anything and for cooperation with the benefit of Russia. But not to draw conclusions from past mistakes is an impermissible luxury. Beautiful slogans against another neighboring city have already been and ended up with unfinished ships standing "at the wall", etc.
      4. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 17 May 2016 19: 39
        +2
        Quote: 31rus2
        us CSTO, BRICS, why bother talking to anyone

        that is, the word "defense" you do not understand .... drove ...
    2. AleksPol
      AleksPol 17 May 2016 19: 04
      +13
      It would not be hard, but you need to develop your defense industry and not rely on anyone. Ukraine is a vivid example of how its own industry should work
    3. sever.56
      sever.56 17 May 2016 19: 04
      +24
      With regards to cooperation in such an area as "defense", you just need to forget such words as "cooperation", "cooperation", joint projects "...
      Let's not remember the ever-memorable French "Mistrals", it was clear that "kidalovo" was inevitable (although they received money and fines). Let us remember how we were tied to Ukraine in terms of engines for helicopters, ship engines, components for aviation and space, and in what money and time frame did we get their "kidok" ??? Where is the guarantee that the unpredictable "father", in the network of the fact that the West has lifted sanctions on Belarus, and friendly pats Alexander Rygoryevich on the shoulder, generously giving him loans, will also not deploy its policy against Russia? Moreover, he has recently been engaged in outright blackmail, knocking out more and more economic and financial preferences (for example, the price of gas and debts)?
      So let's - we will localize our defense industry to the maximum in Russia.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 17 May 2016 19: 15
        +8
        In other countries, even friendly ones, it is necessary to place orders only for "small things" - that which is possible in the event of force majeure, quickly establish production at home. But engines for helicopters, missiles and ships must be made in your own country. There is no need, at the present time, to hope for "maybe".
  3. Tu-214R
    Tu-214R 17 May 2016 18: 50
    +16
    The bruises on the forehead healed, we are looking for a new rake ...
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 17 May 2016 21: 11
      +1
      As for the Belarusian defense industry, it’s a rake to attract him because of Lukashenko’s position
  4. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 17 May 2016 18: 51
    +12
    Can the Belarusian defense industry replace Russian enterprises in Russia?

    And why do we lack this in Russia, that we cannot reproduce the Ukrainian, and therefore we need to invite the Belarusians? Desires?
    1. AleksPol
      AleksPol 17 May 2016 19: 11
      +1
      Not enough time. But all the same, it is necessary that our enterprises work for defense. And not be addicted to anyone
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 17 May 2016 19: 54
        +2
        Quote: AleksPol
        Not enough time

        And no one is ever short of time for anyone. It just so happened. It’s just that sometimes such times come when you need to collect and DO a handful. And it will be good for all of us smile hi
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 17 May 2016 19: 54
        0
        Quote: AleksPol
        Not enough time

        And no one is ever short of time for anyone. It just so happened. It’s just that sometimes such times come when you need to collect and DO a handful. And it will be good for all of us smile hi
        1. AleksPol
          AleksPol 17 May 2016 20: 06
          0
          Well, almost every day, I come across this at work, especially in winter. Due to the fact that the equipment is almost all imported. Something will fail, and have to collect a handful of iron. smile But planes have to take off
  5. 31rus2
    31rus2 17 May 2016 18: 51
    0
    Dear, to have enough stupid questions, namely, together, together, together, to get out of the current situation, it is necessary to cooperate, unite for as painless as possible to replace both Ukrainian and imported components, I don’t understand, do we have an alternative?
    1. avt
      avt 17 May 2016 21: 36
      0
      Quote: 31rus2
      Dear, enough silly questions, namely, together, together, together, to get out of this situation,

      Together, how is it?
      Quote: 31rus2
      need to cooperate, unite

      Type as Butska offers, well, when did you get from the MZKT? Yong will sell us the MZKT, and for this we will give him a loan to buy an oil field somewhere in Tyumen? Or immediately just give Yamalo Nentsky? Well this is - fun, with regards to the article and
      In this regard, it is important to note the fact that in 2014, as part of the import substitution program at the Russian OJSC Klimov, the development of its own production of TVZ-117 family of helicopter engines began entirely from Russian components. However, the enterprise did not reach the planned capacity. And again, you can safely turn your eyes to a neighboring country. "Orsha Aircraft Repair Plant",
      laughing Guys ! It will not happen. That's what you can really do and are doing, and in Russia there isn’t - they will buy, of course, and even more so if you haven’t invented anything yet, all the more, but in the current situation, invest in Belarusian enterprises so that later the RF Ministry of Defense would also place orders ! ??? wassat Well, dreaming is not harmful, but I would not advise that these dreams be counted in rubles and entered into the future budget of Belarus.
  6. pan.70
    pan.70 17 May 2016 18: 58
    -4
    Our countries have much in common, and what we do not have time yet or cannot yet produce, what Belarus has, why not cooperate closely in various fields of industry.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 May 2016 19: 40
      +4
      Quote: pan.70
      why not cooperate tightly in various fields of industry.

      in short and accessible: independence.
    2. AleksPol
      AleksPol 17 May 2016 19: 44
      +1
      In various industries it is possible. But not in the defense industry hi
  7. Haloperidol
    Haloperidol 17 May 2016 18: 59
    +12
    Russia should not count on foreign states, especially in the field of defense, and jobs should be created in the Russian Federation, and not abroad ...
    1. non-Jewish
      non-Jewish 17 May 2016 19: 07
      .
      Quote: Haloperidol
      Russia should not rely on foreign states,

      Russia doesn’t have to count on anyone at all. Here, for example, Syria, they didn’t want to know us until March 2011, but now they swear love after a FREE, UNBREAKABLE HELP. , b, he will never say thank you to us. Although you can understand them, if the Russian Federation is such a sucker that you can separate it with beautiful words, why not use it.
      1. AleksPol
        AleksPol 17 May 2016 19: 27
        +8
        You yourself are a sucker. fool
        1. non-Jewish
          non-Jewish 17 May 2016 19: 40
          -4
          Quote: AleksPol
          You yourself are a sucker.

          I’m sfigali. Nobody puts me on lave and doesn’t hang ears with noodles. I understand that you are offended by my words, but what can you do if it's true. Our country has remained a cash cow for everyone. Oh, when did learn in p, e, n, dos, ovsky work.
          1. AleksPol
            AleksPol 17 May 2016 19: 52
            +1
            Firstly, I called you as a stranger to you. Secondly, I can still determine who hangs the noodles. If the USSR supported favorable regimes for us, now it will not work. Russia defends its interests. Just like pi ... sy, as you wrote
            1. non-Jewish
              non-Jewish 17 May 2016 19: 56
              -4
              Quote: AleksPol
              Firstly, I called you as a stranger to you

              I apologize for familiarity. I’m not used to you, let’s go to you, no offense.
              Quote: AleksPol
              Secondly, I can still determine who hangs noodles for someone.

              Something is imperceptible.
              Quote: AleksPol
              If the USSR supported favorable regimes for us, now it will not work. Russia defends its interests. Just like pi ... sy, as you wrote

              These modes should not be kept, but milked. But, unfortunately, everything always happens exactly the opposite.
              1. AleksPol
                AleksPol 17 May 2016 20: 08
                0
                You think our oligarchs are cash cows smile Not sure . They will not miss their benefit
                1. non-Jewish
                  non-Jewish 17 May 2016 20: 11
                  -1
                  Quote: AleksPol
                  You think our oligarchs are cash cows smile Not sure. They will not miss their benefit

                  So the controlling stake in the merged Kamaz and Maz will belong to the oligarchs, eh? wink
      2. poquello
        poquello 17 May 2016 19: 42
        +5
        Quote: non-Jewish
        , Syria, until March 2011 they didn’t want to know us,

        oh well, talked in some 2000, were always happy
        1. non-Jewish
          non-Jewish 17 May 2016 19: 45
          -3
          Quote: poquello
          oh well, talked in some 2000, were always happy

          Well, they have to supply us with everything for free and half-upkeep our military bases, for all that we have done for them.
          1. poquello
            poquello 17 May 2016 23: 37
            +2
            Quote: non-Jewish
            Quote: poquello
            oh well, talked in some 2000, were always happy

            Well, they have to supply us with everything for free and half-upkeep our military bases, for all that we have done for them.

            the country has been fighting for how many years, and if you are going to count the benefits, then calculate our possible losses from the Qatari gas pipeline
            1. non-Jewish
              non-Jewish 18 May 2016 00: 21
              -2
              Quote: poquello
              the country has been fighting for how many years, and if you are going to count the benefits, then calculate our possible losses from the Qatari gas pipeline

              Shame and shame, when Russia is rich in talents blames on the income from the pipe. Our losses are that the intellectual resource is not developing. And yet, it is a pity that the country of victorious Zionism plays for the overseas people, and not for us.
              1. poquello
                poquello 18 May 2016 01: 43
                +1
                Quote: non-Jewish
                Shame and shame when Russia rich in talents blames on the income from the pipe.

                And then what?
                Quote: non-Jewish
                They should supply us with everything for free and contain our military bases half at their own expense

                they took the money themselves
                1. non-Jewish
                  non-Jewish 18 May 2016 10: 37
                  0
                  Quote: poquello
                  And then what?

                  Hello there. You yourself said that our country will lose in money from the passage of Qatari gas on Asad’s land.
                  Quote: poquello
                  they took the money themselves

                  Well, how else. Everything rests on them.
    2. vmo
      vmo 17 May 2016 19: 12
      +2
      It is very correctly said, and you need to think about the rake. In total, we have two friends ARMY and Navy!
  8. Sergey TT
    Sergey TT 17 May 2016 19: 05
    +2
    We are allies, to say the most, we are one people. And, in the future, and one country.
  9. 1536
    1536 17 May 2016 19: 06
    +5
    And we don't trust the Belarusians! After the betrayal of the Ukrainians, we do not believe. We will invest money there, as in Ukrainian enterprises, Biden or some other Razdolbayden arrives, and there is no money. If the Belarusians themselves did what was needed, offered our enterprises, and then only talk is one: "Give an order, etc." All this, of course, is a consequence of the fact that neither the institutions of the union state are working, nor the CIS, which generally rested in a bose with a Ukrainian leader.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 17 May 2016 19: 27
      +8
      Quote: 1536
      And we do not believe Belarusians!


      we believe in Belarus and we do not believe in Belarusian power, headed by the crest of Lukashenko.
    2. User
      User 17 May 2016 21: 15
      +2
      Quote: 1536
      And we do not believe Belarusians!

      And on this site you really like to accuse us of betrayal in plain text, although I can’t understand what we did to you? request
      You know, it’s one thing to say: cooperation on the military-industrial complex with other countries is not permissible, and another is to water people with mud for no reason. You read the comments on the news where there is a mention of Belarus and it becomes sad and unpleasant. In my opinion, this is simply ugly.
      1. sq
        sq 17 May 2016 22: 24
        +3
        Quote: User
        And on this site you really like to accuse us of betrayal in plain text, although I can’t understand what we did to you?

        If you still do, then .... U-oooo. Choke on the mud that is poured on Belarus. And so they practically do not differ from horses from the Maidan, they just write in Russian.
  10. Barakuda
    Barakuda 17 May 2016 19: 07
    -1
    There will be a threat, there will be cooperation. Until some realized, money laundering. No one wants to think 20 years ahead, like Joseph, for example, or GDP. The USSR, as it were, would not be desirable, no longer, and will not be. Really planned economic development is needed.
    I recently read K. Marx "Capital", nothing has changed.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 18 May 2016 01: 42
      0
      Quote: Barracuda
      I recently read K. Marx "Capital", nothing has changed.

      And what should change? The laws of economics described by Marx are an axiom. Profit is the god of economics, profit at all costs.
  11. Abbra
    Abbra 17 May 2016 19: 08
    +1
    Not so simple... No.
  12. Torins
    Torins 17 May 2016 19: 18
    -1
    Quote: c-Petrov
    and what remains for him?


    to hold a referendum and join the Russian Federation by all 8 millions of residents.

    And then it is being branded and will become another anti-Russian project on the territory of the former USSR

    How many white haters are here ... It’s just like a bone in your throat that such a small country, and manages not only to meet your interests but also your own. I am disappointed, it is necessary to respect the neighbors. hi
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 17 May 2016 21: 18
      +2
      What haters ?????? I, personally, if I remember the Belarusian partisans, Khatyn, "Pesnyary" ... Yes, closer and better for me personally, the people are not and will not be.
  13. There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 17 May 2016 19: 19
    +1
    There is a desire to step on the Belarusian rake?
  14. shadow
    shadow 17 May 2016 19: 23
    0
    Why do we need this?
  15. lopvlad
    lopvlad 17 May 2016 19: 24
    +5
    However, there is not a single large Russian contract with Belarus. Moscow, and to the detriment of itself, simply ignores any attempts at cooperation, which at the moment would have been very helpful. Instead of offering finished products from a country quite close to us, Russia in a hurry begins to create its own expensive "bicycle", and as Russian folk wisdom says: it will not be born well soon.

    What can be a long-term and large-scale contract with a country whose power has gotten on skis and is breaking into the EU?
    Sorry, Ukraine is enough for us to deal with import substitution.

    Can the Belarusian defense industry replace Russian enterprises in Russia?

    it can only if Belarus becomes part of Russia as a republic.
    Otherwise, starting a cooperation does not make sense.
    1. AleksPol
      AleksPol 17 May 2016 19: 40
      0
      You're not right . It is necessary to cooperate, but only in those areas that do not affect defense.
  16. Torins
    Torins 17 May 2016 19: 25
    -3
    Quote: Sveik
    Quote: c-Petrov
    and what remains for him?


    to hold a referendum and join the Russian Federation by all 8 millions of residents.

    And then it is being branded and will become another anti-Russian project on the territory of the former USSR


    Well ridiculed, by God! Are you sure that the referendum in the current conditions will be in your favor? For him, the soil is needed .. There is little, but not much. But in modern realities, such a referendum will fail, and does Russia really need it? You and Donbass can’t figure it out in any way, but here it will be more interesting))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))))

    This forum has already told me once how this referendum will be held. First they will put the economy on its knees and then hold a referendum ...
  17. earloop
    earloop 17 May 2016 19: 29
    +6
    It must be remembered that the Tsar-Father said about "allies" and everything, to the last "screw", must be produced on our own and on our own territory. And in vain do not give loans.
  18. raid14
    raid14 17 May 2016 19: 29
    +7
    It is certainly long and expensive to create military-industrial complex enterprises instead of Ukrainian ones, but whoever said 5 years ago that there would be "such" in Ukraine, no one would have believed.
    Now Belarusians are also looking into the EU with aspiration, Old Man will leave, European liberals who come to power will shake the situation, turn to us by the fifth point and remain like an old woman with nothing, without contracts and money.
  19. cedar
    cedar 17 May 2016 19: 36
    +7
    When we rebuild the country within the borders of 1991, for which millions of our soldiers were killed, then we will rebuild and develop. And now in a situation where there is full occupation (Ukraine), where partial (Belarus in Western debts is like silk, and debts, as you know, are OBLIGATED to something!) You can’t bet on the Belarusian military-industrial complex in terms of replacing the Ukrainian military-industrial complex . It is fraught!
    To cooperate and fight together for liberation from the Western yoke is absolutely necessary.
  20. Torins
    Torins 17 May 2016 19: 38
    +2
    Quote: lopvlad
    However, there is not a single large Russian contract with Belarus. Moscow, and to the detriment of itself, simply ignores any attempts at cooperation, which at the moment would have been very helpful. Instead of offering finished products from a country quite close to us, Russia in a hurry begins to create its own expensive "bicycle", and as Russian folk wisdom says: it will not be born well soon.

    What can be a long-term and large-scale contract with a country whose power has gotten on skis and is breaking into the EU?
    Sorry, Ukraine is enough for us to deal with import substitution.

    Can the Belarusian defense industry replace Russian enterprises in Russia?

    it can only if Belarus becomes part of Russia as a republic.
    Otherwise, starting a cooperation does not make sense.

    But when will you finally stop blindly believing the TV? The very same loafs of Ukrainians crumble that they are zombified by propaganda on TV, and at the same time they themselves are no better.
    For your information:
    1. The Russian Federation does not require Belarus to pursue a policy "either with us or against us"
    2. The EU does not require Belarus to pursue a policy "either with us or against us"
    3. Both the government of the Russian Federation and the government of the EU are COMPLETELY satisfied with the foreign policy of the Republic of Belarus under the title "we have no need to quarrel with anyone while we are not touched"
    4. Nobody invited the Belarusians to Syria to help the Russian Federation; moreover, Belarusians have the right to fight only on their territory, such is the LAW of our country.
    5. Nobody asked us to recognize Crimea as the territory of the Russian Federation.
    6. Nobody asked us to recognize the independence of Ossetia.
    7. As a sovereign state, we have the right to our economic and political interests. Who believes otherwise deprives these rights of any other state including the Russian Federation.
    8. Nationalists in our country on a short leash, the fact that they heard the result of them being released from prison at the request of the EU, but they are still very few and they are all on a pencil from the special services.
    9. While Old Man is alive Belarus will be a friend of the Russian Federation, then no one knows what will happen, so thank him that it’s calm on your eastern border.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 17 May 2016 21: 12
      +5
      For comrade lopvlad:

      - Can you say that one of the above is not true?
      - if so - can you justify what was said?

      And anyway - brek .. hot Russian-speaking guys ..

      lopvlad, understand: the more you run into here .. um .. quite sane people from Belarus, the wider the gap into which then the Americans will climb .. well, and other other rot too ..

      I understand it here? wink
  21. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 17 May 2016 20: 00
    0
    It will take an unreasonably large amount of resources, time and the fact that everything will go as planned, to create similar production capacities in Russia. In the current situation, when our state is drawn into the struggle for the status of world leader, this is sorely lacking.

    Better time, resources, than opportunities, then. Now the situation just requires the creation of a self-sufficient defense industry. In matters of defense, it is absolutely impossible to rely on the goodwill of our current partners. Power is changing, or the current leader will change priorities in politics .... and again look for where and how.
    I am not at all against cooperation with Belarus in the military-industrial complex. On mutually beneficial terms. And in the event of a sudden break in this cooperation, Russia should not strain all its efforts to scratch its turnips again, how can we replace any critical components. Those. we conclude what to do in the defense industry the vast majority of products ... it is necessary at home.

    9. While Old Man is alive Belarus will be a friend of the Russian Federation, then no one knows what will happen, so thank him that it’s calm on your eastern border.

    Somehow annoying such statements.
    And from what hangover should we thank him? Calmness on our border is primarily beneficial to Belarus, since it is calmness on the border of Belarus. And peace in Belarus itself.
    Maybe Lukashenko should thank Russia for its support and for the fact that he is still in power?
  22. lopvlad
    lopvlad 17 May 2016 20: 01
    +4
    Quote: Torins
    While Old Man is alive RB will be a friend of the Russian Federation


    such friends for .... to the museum. Lukashenko, a friend to himself, well, not Russia at all.
    The one who squeezed part of the Russian people from Russia and rivets from them a separate nation of "Belarusians" is not a friend of the Russian people and Russia, by definition.

    Nationalists in our country on a short leash

    open the Belarusian school history textbook and you will understand that the nationalists are in power.
    1. non-Jewish
      non-Jewish 17 May 2016 20: 18
      -9
      Quote: lopvlad
      Lukashenka’s friend to himself is by no means Russia.

      The only good thing about him is that he thinks about his country. This must be admitted. Putin would also grind to his house, he would not have a price.
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 17 May 2016 20: 37
        +3
        Quote: non-Jewish
        The only good thing about him is that he thinks about his country


        he thinks not about the country and people of Belarus but about his power and how to pass it by inheritance to his son.
        The worst dream for Lukashenko is this one in which the inhabitants of Belarus will want to return to Russia.
        Therefore, these abusive speech about the Russian world makes.
        1. non-Jewish
          non-Jewish 17 May 2016 20: 47
          -4
          Quote: lopvlad
          he thinks not about the country and people of Belarus but about his power and how to pass it by inheritance to his son.

          Ha ha ha. However, Lukas deftly pressed the Russian commerce of Karimov.
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 17 May 2016 21: 32
            +1
            Quote: non-Jewish
            However, Lukas deftly pressed the Russian commerce of Karimov.


            I'm sorry, but I don’t give a damn about Karimov even if Lukashenko hung him.
  23. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 17 May 2016 20: 03
    +3
    You need to collaborate, but you need to build the system carefully and thoughtfully. The defense industry enterprises should not be located on the western borders. It was passed in the last war, with the scum of the Germans.
  24. Torins
    Torins 17 May 2016 20: 13
    +3
    Quote: lopvlad
    Quote: Torins
    While Old Man is alive RB will be a friend of the Russian Federation


    such friends for .... to the museum. Lukashenko, a friend to himself, well, not Russia at all.
    The one who squeezed part of the Russian people from Russia and rivets from them a separate nation of "Belarusians" is not a friend of the Russian people and Russia, by definition.

    Nationalists in our country on a short leash

    open the Belarusian school history textbook and you will understand that the nationalists are in power.

    I not only opened it, I studied it in the 90s)) There is nothing anti-Russian there) Among all the CIS countries, we probably have the most objective story, I tell you as a reenactor who dealt with chronicles)
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 17 May 2016 20: 27
      +1
      Quote: Torins
      I not only opened it, I studied on it in the 90s))


      you open modern and not those when the "thousand-year" history of Belarus has not been written.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 17 May 2016 21: 06
        +5
        Quote: lopvlad
        Quote: Torins
        I not only opened it, I studied on it in the 90s))


        you open modern and not those when the "thousand-year" history of Belarus has not been written.

        Let me ask you: did you open this textbook yourself? With a "thousand-year history"? Or just heard from someone? wink

        * an appeal has been made to you, by the way .. so, as a reminder ..
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 17 May 2016 22: 02
          +1
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          With a "thousand-year history"?


          here is an excerpt from the Belarusian school textbook for grade 6 (Shtykhov)

          "The clans were united into tribes. It happened on the territory
          Belarus 10-5 thousand years BC uh "
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 17 May 2016 22: 35
            +1
            Quote: lopvlad
            here is an excerpt from the Belarusian school textbook for grade 6 (Shtykhov)

            - well, that's nice .. What did it bother you with? Tribes, they were not only in Belarus, well, right?
            1. lopvlad
              lopvlad 18 May 2016 03: 01
              +2
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Tribes, they were not only in Belarus, well, right?


              the point is not that the tribes existed, but Belarus already existed in that time, which means that these tribes automatically become Belarusian. Only one word was omitted.

              "It happened on the territory of Belarus" and it should be written "It happened on the territory future Belarus "
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 18 May 2016 10: 27
                +1
                Quote: lopvlad
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Tribes, they were not only in Belarus, well, right?


                the point is not that the tribes existed, but Belarus already existed in that time, which means that these tribes automatically become Belarusian. Only one word was omitted.

                "It happened on the territory of Belarus" and it should be written "It happened on the territory future Belarus "

                GYYYYYYY !!!! laughing laughing laughing

                And I thought that I was here - a bookworm .. You are cooler, I admit hi

                I would have such problems .. spit, saliva. Since there is a sea of ​​problems, much more real.

                Somehow yes
                1. prosto_rgb
                  prosto_rgb 19 May 2016 01: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  GYYYYYYY !!!!


                  Simple according to such an addition to the text MEANING OF THE PHRASE turns out even cooler:
                  "The clans were united in tribes on this territory to create in the future
                  Belarus, another 10-5 thousand years BC. uh "
                  Do you understand?
                  They did not just unite into tribes on the territory.
                  They united in tribes on the territory of FUTURE Belarus.
                  Do you understand ??
                  FUTURE !!!
                  The one that WILL AFTER THEM.
                  Accordingly, they united, including for its Creation, precisely because it will be in any case after THEM, and not before.

                  But on the other hand it sounds pretty bad.
                  "The clans were united in tribes on this territory to create in the future
                  Belarus, another 10-5 thousand years BC. uh "good
                  Perhaps, such an interpretation of history could even envy the citizens of Israel;)

                  Can write a letter in min.education?
                  Let them make adjustments.
                  No matter how 10-5 thousand years BC. e yes + 2tys. years n That’s a total of 7-12 thousand years on the way to building their own state does not sound very bad.
                  What is the thousand-year history?
                  Full 10 thousand and no less soldier
              2. prosto_rgb
                prosto_rgb 19 May 2016 01: 21
                0
                Quote: lopvlad
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Tribes, they were not only in Belarus, well, right?


                the point is not that the tribes existed, but Belarus already existed in that time, which means that these tribes automatically become Belarusian. Only one word was omitted.

                "It happened on the territory of Belarus" and it should be written "It happened on the territory future Belarus "

                Sorry.
                But are you serious?

                Simple according to your text MEANING OF THE PHRASE turns out even cooler:
                "The clans were united in tribes on this territory to create in the future
                Belarus, another 10-5 thousand years BC. uh "
                Do you understand?
                They did not just unite into tribes on the territory.
                They united in tribes on the territory of FUTURE Belarus.
                Do you understand ??
                FUTURE !!!
                The one that WILL AFTER THEM.
                Accordingly, they united, including for its Creation, precisely because it will be in any case after THEM, and not before.

                But on the other hand it sounds pretty bad.
                "The clans were united in tribes on this territory to create in the future
                Belarus, another 10-5 thousand years BC. uh " good
                Perhaps, such an interpretation of history could even envy the citizens of Israel;)

                Can write a letter in min.education.
                Let them make adjustments.
                No matter how 10-5 thousand years BC. e yes + 2tys. years n That’s a total of 7-12 thousand years on the way to building their own state does not sound very bad.
                What is the thousand-year history?
                Full 10 thousand and not less soldier
  25. DesToeR
    DesToeR 17 May 2016 20: 14
    -3
    Russians, we live with you in different realities. We do not have a nuclear umbrella. Only today has you begun what has been happening in Belarus since the mid-90s: a gradual turn towards national orientation. We cannot live with 100% eye on Russia, for Russia has shown that it is not able to protect us. That is how today is interpreted by all the former republics of the USSR what the Americans are doing in Ukraine. You Russians could not protect your former territories from foreigners. The question is, what prevents the West from attacking Belarus as well? The answer is nothing. So we are forced to take this opportunity into account and build the most flexible policy. Ask yourself: will you fight for Belarus if NATO troops come here? After the events in Ukraine, I personally am not sure.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 17 May 2016 20: 24
      +6
      Quote: DesToeR
      We cannot live with 100% eye on Russia, for Russia has shown that it is not able to protect us. That is how today all the former republics of the USSR interpret what Americans do in Ukraine

      - a lie, a zvezdezh and provocation (I'll explain why) ..

      Quote: DesToeR
      The question is, what prevents the West from attacking Belarus as well?

      - CSTO - have not heard this, for an hour? Belarus is a member of the CSTO. Ukraine is not. And by the way, there was no explicit "external aggression" in Ukraine No.

      Quote: COLLECTIVE SECURITY TREATY of May 15, 1992
      Article 4

      If one of the participating states is subjected to aggression (an armed attack threatening security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty), then it will be considered by the participating states as aggression (an armed attack threatening security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty) against all states - Parties to this Agreement.

      In the event of aggression (an armed attack threatening security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty) against any of the participating States, all other participating States, at the request of that participating State, will immediately provide him with the necessary assistance, including military, as well as provide support at their disposal in order to exercise the right to collective defense in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter

      http://www.odkb-csto.org/documents/detail.php?ELEMENT_ID=126

      It seems to have chewed everything. Swallow, digest, get better yes
    2. lopvlad
      lopvlad 17 May 2016 20: 47
      +4
      Quote: DesToeR
      You Russians


      Belarusians, Ukrainians (Little Russians, New Russians, Rusyns), Russians (Great Russians) are one great Russian people and the foundation of the Russian world.
      If you do not understand it, then you will follow the path of Ukraine.
    3. mr.fafes
      mr.fafes 17 May 2016 20: 56
      +1
      1.Russian, we live with you in different realities, the main thing is that your realities do not turn out to be like that
      both in Ukraine, and neither live in their own dimension there either.

      2. What has been happening in Belarus since the mid-90s, and what exactly is happening, and at whose expense?

      3. We can’t live with 100% eye on Russia, but what is someone asking you?

      4. Russia has shown that it is not able to protect us, to protect against whom, someone is threatening you
      or do you need to be protected from yourself?

      5. What the Americans are doing in Ukraine, and what isn’t that the choice of Ukraine itself, and it’s not necessary
      people didn’t want to say this, Crimea didn’t want it and where is Crimea now?

      6.You, Russians, could not defend your former territories from foreigners, which ones
      territory?

      7. The question is what prevents the West from attacking Belarus as well as Russia does and prevents, otherwise it was
      would your dad in the ranks of those lucky people like Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi and other dictators, and he
      After all, also a dictator

      8. Build the most flexible policy, build as much as you want, do not interfere, only
      without preferences on the part of Russia, and sit on at least two even on three chairs,
      only when you fall will not remember Russia!

      9. Ask yourself a question: will you fight for Belarus if NATO troops come here,
      Belarus may be independent but still part of Russia, and Russians and Belarusians are one people
      maybe someone doesn’t like it but it’s so, and you’ll be asking the question
      Belarus, as it is not ethical! If necessary, we will!
    4. Alex_36
      Alex_36 17 May 2016 21: 41
      +2
      Oops, how we sang - "Russians". Who are you with us? Titled Belarusian? What the hell are you talking about? Why is this isolation: Russians, Belarusians. Maybe we'll start butting like the Ukrainians, who formed the first state? What incubator are you coming from?
      1. mr.fafes
        mr.fafes 17 May 2016 22: 40
        -1
        Oops, how we sang - "Russians"
        If your hearing will be more pleasant then that is not Russian-Belarusians A Russ !!!

        The titled Belarusian?
        No! We are titled RUS !!!

        Who are you?
        I Russian was born and raised in Russia, mother of Belarus, father of Russian!

        Why is this isolation?
        This is your dad in one of his speeches, said that you are Belarusians and not Russian, he disowned his common roots!

        Maybe we will begin to butt as the Ukrainians?
        Maybe if Lukashenko makes it stupid what they did in Ukraine!

        Who formed the first state?
        They formed everything in a place, then there were no Russians, no Belarusians, no Ukrainians, there was one people!

        What incubator do you come from?
        Not you! AND WE!!! From one and the mother and father !!!
    5. ARES623
      ARES623 17 May 2016 23: 00
      +1
      Quote: DesToeR
      So we are forced to take this opportunity into account and build the most flexible policy.

      Is flexible politics a bum on Berlin with four bones? World!
      Quote: DesToeR
      Ask yourself: will you fight for Belarus if NATO troops come here? After the events in Ukraine, I personally am not sure.

      We have already fought for Belarus, but what kind of allies you are - the Old Man has already answered for you, you will only defend your own. And if you are sitting, like Ukrainians, in your kitchens, you will silently watch how the local Natsik are bending your country and waiting for us to rush for you to rake your stables, then, sadly, we will do exactly what will be beneficial exclusively for us , even at your expense.
  26. KRIG55
    KRIG55 17 May 2016 20: 15
    -4
    The Ukrainian rake is not enough, the Belarus decided to try it again. There are no friends or brothers in this matter.
  27. Torins
    Torins 17 May 2016 20: 29
    +2
    Quote: Sveik
    Quote: lopvlad
    Lukashenka’s friend to himself is by no means Russia.
    The one who squeezed part of the Russian people from Russia and rivets from them a separate nation of "Belarusians" is not a friend of the Russian people and Russia, by definition.


    Eva how !!! Well, how did he overcome part of the Russian people in the Russian Federation? Are you crazy?
    Yes, and do not lie about textbooks))))) We, there, unlike Russian ones (I read, read, and more than once) write not completely nonsense

    Yes, there are such "experts" sitting that it becomes funny)) They do not understand politics because they do not follow it, somewhere out of the corner of their ear they caught something and they judge it, and what came from and where it will lead if you do this and so then generally notions Dont Have. According to history, they obviously had no more than a three set out of pity. Not all of course there are, many members of the forum I sincerely respect, but lately something has become a lot of those who are on the issue with no ears or snouts but who will definitely give their strong opinion and will definitely instruct all those who disagree, earlier it was much better here ((
  28. DesToeR
    DesToeR 17 May 2016 20: 29
    +1
    Quote: KRIG55
    The Ukrainian rake is not enough, the Belarus decided to try it again. There are no friends or brothers in this matter.

    Show off brother, with such mentality, you’ll be 25 years old about Pskov and Smolensk and you won’t write such a thing. Well, it’s okay, dear Russians — you can make a lot of independent republics and autocratic republics to Vladivostok. You no longer have Finland from the word at all. Baltic states barking about from without cause. You do not remember that Warsaw was one of the imperial cities. It remains to merge the remaining republics from the USSR and you will heal. Only Dalas's plan works!
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 19 May 2016 01: 35
      0
      Quote: DesToeR
      with this kind of mentality, you’ll be 25 years old about Pskov and Smolensk and you won’t write that.

      25 is not necessary
      already in 5 years there will be "Mama Do Not Cry", or even less
      Some parasites (yeah, all the Soviet republics that prevented the RSFSR from living) were already thrown off in 1991, and now Ukraine suddenly betrayed someone.
      Let me remind you that for those who specialize in the "Unified State Exam", the Declaration on State Sovereignty of the RSFSR (in fact, on independence from the USSR) was adopted yet June 12, 1990 !!!
      The declaration was adopted in the course of a difficult political struggle by the First Congress of People's Deputies(yeah, these are just the people) of the RSFSR on June 12, 1990.
      Voting results: 907 - in favor, 13 - “against”, 9 - “abstained”
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Декларация_о_государственном_суверенитете_РСФСР
  29. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 17 May 2016 20: 32
    +4
    Quote: kuz363
    It will turn out a mess similar to Crimea. When private owners occupy land, people cannot go to the sea to swim on the city beach ... Around the fences, barbed wire, and the rods are coated with grease. For this, did the people vote for Russia?

    Excuse me, are you Crimean, or firsthand?
  30. Bayun
    Bayun 17 May 2016 20: 59
    +1
    Something I do not believe that everything was covered with Ukraine. It seems that we are moving quietly through third countries.
  31. DesToeR
    DesToeR 17 May 2016 21: 02
    -2
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    And by the way, there was no explicit "external aggression" in Ukraine

    Indeed, everything is clear and intelligibly written, especially this:
    In the event of an aggression (an armed attack threatening security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty) against any of the participating states, all other participating states at the request of this state - the participant will immediately be provided with the necessary assistance, including military ...

    There remains one small question: what if the coup d'etat is carried out in less than one day, as in Ukraine, for example? And what if the incumbent president of Belarus is less fortunate than Yanukovych and is liquidated almost instantly? Who will ask for help then? Alya Belarusian Potroshenko? Of course he will ask NATO.
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    It seems to have chewed everything. Swallow, digest, get better

    We have already swallowed on the example of Ukraine. We watched and freaked out from your inaction. Now we are chewing and drawing conclusions based on the example of the development of events in the DPR and LPR. By the way, don't tell me, how did the situation in Crimea differ from the so-called? DPR and LPR? And the people rose up against the fascists, and they called for Russia, and even a referendum was held. Everything is like in the Crimea. Why didn't they take a fragment of the fraternal people into the "indestructible family"? We'll digest, don't worry, and we didn't digest that. You showed the Russians weakness.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 17 May 2016 22: 16
      +1
      Tavaarishch nipanimaait .. (c) A. Raikin ..

      Dear .. in the Collective Security Treaty everything seems to be clearly written .. it says - "at the request", which means - at the request ..

      Quote: DesToeR
      And if the current president of Belarus is less lucky than Yanukovych and he is eliminated almost instantly?

      “Do you think your President is so weak-witted?” Even Yanyk had enough ... um ... mind to survive.

      Quote: DesToeR
      One small question remains: what if a coup d'etat is carried out within less than one day, as in Ukraine, for example?

      - Th, are you going to maidan? So your Old Man .. namaydanit, damn it ... it will be necessary to stock up popcorn .. we are not a hundred heavenly, there will be Tiananmen-2 area, IMHO ..

      Quote: DesToeR
      We swallowed already on the example of Ukraine. Watched and fucked up from your inaction

      - speak for yourself, please .. swallowed - you personally, what others think there is unknown to you .. and do not pretend to be Wang and WolfMessing at the same time - I won’t believe it No.

      Quote: DesToeR
      Now we chew and draw conclusions on the example of the development of events in the DPR and LPR

      Everything was very strange there.

      - it appears that someone in the leadership of the LPR and DPR tried to substitute the Russian Federation and specifically Putin
      - As a result, they set up people living in the LPR. Here is the link, just now they chewed it with a comrade Sling cutterread, there is a rationale:

      http://topwar.ru/95323-na-ukrainskih-skladah-tyazheloy-tehniki-zafiksirovano-ots



      utstvie-16-ti-tankov.html # comment-id-5880883

      - now - the LDNR army is created, trained, armed and combat ready
      - humanitarian aid - is going on (how it is distributed there - this is not the business of the Russian Federation even once)
      - salaries, benefits - paid (due to the budget of the Russian Federation, by the way)
      - passage to the territory of the Russian Federation and back to LDNR - free
      - and much more

      What exactly do you dislike here?

      Quote: DesToeR
      By the way, do not tell me how the situation in Crimea differed from the so-called. DNI and LC?

      - in-in-in .. by reference, which is higher - read, if it is not clear - contact then ..

      Quote: DesToeR
      You showed the weakness of the Russians.

      - forgot to add "in my humble opinion" yes

      In vain. Not good..
    2. sq
      sq 17 May 2016 22: 35
      +1
      Quote: DesToeR
      You showed the weakness of the Russians.

      Not Russian but those that start with the letter m ....
    3. ARES623
      ARES623 18 May 2016 09: 16
      +2
      Quote: DesToeR
      One small question remains: what if a coup d'etat is carried out within less than one day, as in Ukraine, for example? And if the current president of Belarus is less lucky than Yanukovych and he is eliminated almost instantly? Who then will ask for help?


      If Lukashenko is as stubborn a bar.an as Yanukovych, then it will also be worse. But Yanukovych, if he had left under pressure on the Donbass and from there, as the incumbent president would have turned to his army and asked officially for help from the Russian Federation, then everything could have been a little different. You can enter a sovereign country by observing all the necessary formalities before the decimal point. In the situation with Crimea, there are no legal clues, therefore, everything is limited only to words and illegal economic sanctions. In the Donbass, too, everything is clear. Ukrainians (at the direction of the United States) tried their best to drag us into the official invasion of a sovereign state. Some even today talk about the need for such an action, apparently from the near mind. You must understand that there are things that require strict compliance. In case of aggravation of the situation in Belarus, it must be borne in mind that both sides are studying. The CIA is not fools either. The scenario that did not work in Ukraine for the Republic of Belarus will be seriously revised.
  32. Pbs
    Pbs 17 May 2016 21: 08
    -9
    If Russia had a strong leader, there could be options. But with Putin - alas, the only way for us is to do our own thing. He pissed off foreign policy completely. Ukraine has split off, Belarus lubricates skis, Europe is completely insolent. And our leaders, instead of bombing Poland with nuclear missiles and demanding that Berlin be complete and unconditional at 36, impose sanctions on Turkish tomatoes.
    1. Lexeus
      Lexeus 17 May 2016 21: 25
      +1
      Well, yes, if only Your Excellency agreed to head the country, then if we all of them .....)))))
    2. Alex_36
      Alex_36 17 May 2016 21: 46
      +7
      Such vyser with almost similar text and meaning are written by all sorts of Ukrainian and liberal trolls on Echo, Rain and other Facebooks. The "officers' daughters" have already arrived here.
      1. Pbs
        Pbs 18 May 2016 12: 20
        -1
        Bring at least one link. Very curious to read. And the problem is that I myself am a patriot from the Urals, the grandson of an officer who defeated the Nazis in World War II. And believe me, it’s not so simple here. With how many people did not communicate - there are practically no Putinoids among them. I go to the Internet - opa, 89% support, glory to the Emperor!
  33. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 May 2016 21: 22
    +1
    Can the Belarusian defense industry replace Russian enterprises in Russia?

    Can. If Belarus becomes part of the Russian Federation laughing
  34. Lexeus
    Lexeus 17 May 2016 21: 23
    -2
    That is Ukraine alone is not enough for us? Now we will wait when the Belarusians betray? (((And again, urgently import substitution ...
  35. DesToeR
    DesToeR 17 May 2016 21: 42
    +2
    Quote: mr.fafes
    protect from someone, someone threatens you
    or you need to be protected from yourself

    Quote: mr.fafes
    5. What the Americans are doing in Ukraine, and what isn’t that the choice of Ukraine itself, and it’s not necessary to say like people didn’t want

    Are you 10 years old?
    Quote: mr.fafes
    6.You, Russians, could not defend your former territories from foreigners, which ones
    territory?

    Do not consider it work, look at what territories were part of the Russian Empire in 1914. Compare them with those territories that were part of the USSR in 1989, for example. Well, do the same simple operation with a modern map of Russia. The dynamics for some 100 years, in my opinion, is obvious.
    Quote: mr.fafes
    7. The question is what prevents the West from attacking Belarus as well as Russia and prevents, otherwise your dad would be in the ranks of those lucky ones like Sadam Hussein, Gaddafi and other dictators, and he
    After all, also a dictator

    And what about the President of the Republic of Belarus A.G. Lukashenko? dictated? Haven't grabbed the recipe ala Gaidar-Chubais? Crushed "zhestachayshe" in the "dashing nineties" crime by the special forces "Almaz"? Did you drive people over a level below the baseboard? Maybe eating a baby for breakfast and bathing in the bathroom with the blood of virgins? I've built sports palaces - yes, a fat minus to him ...
    Quote: mr.fafes
    and ask the question will you fight for Belarus, as it is not ethical! If necessary, we will!

    It was necessary two years ago and not for Belarus, but for Ukraine.
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 19 May 2016 01: 39
      0
      Quote: DesToeR
      I’ve set up sports palaces - yes, bold minus to him ...

      Palaces are not a minus, a minus is that no enterprises have been built for the palaces.
      Quote: DesToeR
      It was necessary two years ago and not for Belarus, but for Ukraine.

      and not two, and not for Ukraine
      And about 15 years and for Russia!
  36. Alexander_
    Alexander_ 17 May 2016 22: 12
    0
    "Russia will have an unjustifiably large amount of resources, time and not the fact that everything will go as planned."

    Whose mill is the author pouring water into? All important production should be located exclusively on our territory. Unprincipled - please, you can cooperate - for political purposes, "a la sworn brothers."
  37. Starik72
    Starik72 17 May 2016 23: 40
    +2
    Guys let's be friends !!! Do not bark at each other, because many, without knowing the ford, climb into the water, and give out such nonsense that their ears fade. I’ll write this: oh, YOU are Russians. I remember one Russian comment on a comment by a Belarusian, IN is a Russian site and you have nothing to do here for Belarus. It means you can throw mud at our president, but we can’t protect our president against Belarus, so what. Now you can minus me.
  38. mr.fafes
    mr.fafes 17 May 2016 23: 43
    +2
    Quote: ARES623
    Quote: DesToeR
    So we are forced to take this opportunity into account and build the most flexible policy.

    Is flexible politics a bum on Berlin with four bones? World!
    Quote: DesToeR
    Ask yourself: will you fight for Belarus if NATO troops come here? After the events in Ukraine, I personally am not sure.

    We have already fought for Belarus, but what kind of allies you are - the Old Man has already answered for you, you will only defend your own. And if you are sitting, like Ukrainians, in your kitchens, you will silently watch how the local Natsik are bending your country and waiting for us to rush for you to rake your stables, then, sadly, we will do exactly what will be beneficial exclusively for us , even at your expense.


    Minsk is bound by allied obligations with the CSTO countries, but Belarus will not fight for their interests on the territory of foreign states, President Alexander Lukashenko said.
    http://ria.ru/world/20160330/1399811651.html


    Lukashenko's answer is clear! On the way to Russia, we will not wake up, and if you fall on Belarus, Russia will help us.
    It turns out. We have to help, but if they say they’re sorry, it’s not our territory.
    And who the godfather is there BROTHER ???
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 19 May 2016 01: 45
      -1
      Quote: mr.fafes
      Minsk is bound by allied obligations with the CSTO countries, but Belarus will not fight for their interests on the territory of foreign states, President Alexander Lukashenko said.

      Well, are you just like from a cartoon, or have you fallen from the moon?
      He has been saying this since the 1994 election campaign.
      just this part:
      Belarus will not fight on the territory of foreign states
  39. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 17 May 2016 23: 50
    +1
    It seems that Russia should not step on the same rake a second time, placing military enterprises outside its territory ... It is permissible to place orders as a second or reserve supplier, subject to constant purchases of military equipment from Belarus. Too serious is the matter - building a reliable military-industrial complex machine.
  40. skobars
    skobars 17 May 2016 23: 50
    +1
    Quote: DesToeR
    Ask yourself: will you fight for Belarus if NATO troops come here? After the events in Ukraine, I personally am not sure.

    And I am sure that Russia will not surrender its brothers to the NATO members, and even if the authorities try to surrender you to our selfish interests, such a government will not last long, and ordinary people will support you as volunteers.
  41. NordUral
    NordUral 18 May 2016 00: 01
    +2
    First you need to understand the relations between Russia and Belarus, and then there are solid questions. And to build enterprises at home, as the minimum necessary defense industry. But you and with partners can be negotiated, but only in the appendage, so as not to be left with nothing, as happened with the Outskirts.
  42. iouris
    iouris 18 May 2016 00: 19
    +2
    An interesting problem: can the left hand replace a severed right leg?
    The defense industry and the national economy of the USSR were united. In this sense, the Russian Federation is a disabled person.
  43. Torins
    Torins 18 May 2016 00: 23
    +1
    Quote: Lexey
    That is Ukraine alone is not enough for us? Now we will wait when the Belarusians betray? (((And again, urgently import substitution ...

    You have nothing to replace, remember how you fucked up the NPO Ekran, created in the 89th. In 94, Lukashenka called you to restore the largest production and scientific base for electronics, and Yeltsin said, "Excuse me, we have privatized and sold everything, we have nothing." But we have saved technology and scientific resources, we can go into electronics. How many years will it take for Russia to catch up? It is not known, it is only known that almost all the electronics in the latest Russian weapons are either Belarusian or Chinese, what kind of import substitution will we talk about? It will take 7-8 years to reach the current level of the Belarusian military electronics of the Russian Federation, during which time the Republic of Belarus will step further by 7-8 years. Nafig you this hemorrhoids? They sell you at bargain prices, what prevents you from buying? All the same, you yourself will catch up for decades. Right now I'll grab 100 minuses, but I don't care, people really hurt their eyes.
    1. poquello
      poquello 18 May 2016 01: 56
      0
      Quote: Torins
      To achieve the current level of the Belarusian military electronics of the Russian Federation, it will take 7-8 years,

      it's common phrase, you can call an example
    2. Winnie76
      Winnie76 18 May 2016 02: 04
      +2
      Belarusians, you’re right in the window ... You’ve saved everything, all of them are so advanced, you sell everything to us at bargain prices, you almost never deal in smuggling, you support us in the international arena, you promise to fit in on our territory ... Why do we need you ? One ballast. We don’t catch up with you anyway. Without Belarus, Belarus will take off to the shining heights of economic prosperity. Switzerland will be a part of Belarus asks.

      ps And Lukashenka your angel in kind, not a woman of easy virtue
    3. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 19 May 2016 01: 51
      +2
      Quote: Torins
      created in the 89th NPO "Ekran"

      And what kind of person is he?
      Quote: Torins
      In the 94th, Lukashenko called you to restore the largest industrial scientific base in electronics,

      Then Rygorych proposed to raise the issue of Vilna and Belastok, which blocked the entry into NATO and the EU and Poland and Lithuania.
      But as you know, according to the good old tradition, was sent to the farm.
  44. Torins
    Torins 18 May 2016 00: 34
    +1
    Quote: mr.fafes
    Quote: ARES623
    Quote: DesToeR
    So we are forced to take this opportunity into account and build the most flexible policy.

    Is flexible politics a bum on Berlin with four bones? World!
    Quote: DesToeR
    Ask yourself: will you fight for Belarus if NATO troops come here? After the events in Ukraine, I personally am not sure.

    We have already fought for Belarus, but what kind of allies you are - the Old Man has already answered for you, you will only defend your own. And if you are sitting, like Ukrainians, in your kitchens, you will silently watch how the local Natsik are bending your country and waiting for us to rush for you to rake your stables, then, sadly, we will do exactly what will be beneficial exclusively for us , even at your expense.


    Minsk is bound by allied obligations with the CSTO countries, but Belarus will not fight for their interests on the territory of foreign states, President Alexander Lukashenko said.
    http://ria.ru/world/20160330/1399811651.html


    Lukashenko's answer is clear! On the way to Russia, we will not wake up, and if you fall on Belarus, Russia will help us.
    It turns out. We have to help, but if they say they’re sorry, it’s not our territory.
    And who the godfather is there BROTHER ???

    We have an AGREEMENT! If NATO trample on Russia through the Republic of Belarus, we will restrain them for 7 days, during this time the Russian Federation must gather strength and disfigure them to hell, alas, Belarusians cannot fight outside the Republic of Belarus according to the constitution. Everyone knows this, except for members of the forum for some reason ...
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 18 May 2016 14: 16
      +1
      Quote: Torins
      If NATO trample on Russia through Belarus, we will restrain them for 7 days,


      Lukashenka released all opposition criminals from prisons and denied Russia a military base so that Europe would like it. So wait and restrain, otherwise Lukashenka will say "NATO is our friends"
  45. ibirus
    ibirus 18 May 2016 01: 47
    +3
    Practice shows that if you do not want problems, then you need to build and make military equipment at home. And where is the guarantee that the same thing will not happen in Belarus as in Ukraine. After all, Lukashenko is not eternal.
  46. Aaleks1974
    Aaleks1974 18 May 2016 08: 56
    +2
    Article is nonsense, why change the awl for soap? What is the fundamental difference between Ukraine and Belarusians? What, Belarusians are our allies? If politically, then listen to the speeches of the "dad", for me, well, he is in the fig of such an ally. Economics partners? Yes, I agree, the ties are quite close, but the same economy did not prevent Ukraine from severing all ties. So, let billions, in the military-industrial complex, remain with us, than then again, to restore production, if the EU or the US wave a carrot in front of the "daddy", and he runs to the west.
  47. abarth
    abarth 18 May 2016 09: 11
    -1
    Quote: Torins
    Quote: Lexey
    That is Ukraine alone is not enough for us? Now we will wait when the Belarusians betray? (((And again, urgently import substitution ...

    You have nothing to replace, remember how you fucked up the NPO Ekran, created in the 89th. In 94, Lukashenka called you to restore the largest production and scientific base for electronics, and Yeltsin said, "Excuse me, we have privatized and sold everything, we have nothing." But we have saved technology and scientific resources, we can go into electronics. How many years will it take for Russia to catch up? It is not known, it is only known that almost all the electronics in the latest Russian weapons are either Belarusian or Chinese, what kind of import substitution will we talk about? It will take 7-8 years to reach the current level of the Belarusian military electronics of the Russian Federation, during which time the Republic of Belarus will step further by 7-8 years. Nafig you this hemorrhoids? They sell you at bargain prices, what prevents you from buying? All the same, you yourself will catch up for decades. Right now I'll grab 100 minuses, but I don't care, people really hurt their eyes.



    The crap is full))) Name at least one Bulorian university without the word pedagogical))) which in ... DIC. where did the candidates of science, associate professors with specialization in solid-state physics, laser spectroscopy of rare-earth elements, mat-fur, specialists in the Russian language come from in Belarus, why don’t you know? somewhere in 78-79 rectors of Belarusian institutes traveled to russia kazan, novosibirsk, moscow university, physics and technology ... etc. bought up, really bought up young specialists, apartments, rich shop counters, and bought it. received not only teachers, but also strings for technology ... graduates and the department (teacher) do not break the connection with a change of residence .. invitations to the conference, grants .... in the last three years, they don’t go to conferences, there is no money, Russian universities do not give grants ... what do these people do? the introduction of automation))) such as the red button in the shop set. You do not have a scientific base, and the paths to it are blocked, and all these articles and statements, such as buy a refinery for a well (Belarus covers 40% of the needs of oil of its own production, according to the president), ordinary advertising, kind of, we will not invest, do not it is necessary to scare us, we will be offended, etc. etc., Belarusians work in Russia, and not vice versa. It’s your happiness that the Belarusian channels do not show in Russia, i.e. few people know what you are talking about there, it would be sabantuy ...))
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 19 May 2016 01: 55
      +1
      Quote: abarth
      Name at least one Bulorian university without the word pedagogical

      So you are not shy.
      Google.
  48. Palladin
    Palladin 18 May 2016 09: 31
    +1
    Thus, almost all Ukrainian exports, which Russia lost in 2014, can already be found in Belarus. This kind of cooperation will no doubt benefit both parties. Moreover, the Belarusians have never failed the Russian side in the matter of supplying components for the Russian armed forces, and, if necessary, Russia has always had a means of influence on Belarus.


    But only 51% of the shares of the Orsha plant belongs to Ukraine. And there was already a case during the war in Donbas, when the Berorussians were repairing Ukrainian aircraft, knowing our position on this issue. Which in FIG "did not fail".
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 19 May 2016 01: 57
      0
      Quote: Palladin
      Here are only 51% of the shares of the Orsha plant belongs to Ukraine. And there was already a case during the war in Donbas, when the Borussians were repairing Ukrainian aircraft

      So if "51% of the shares of the Orsha plant belongs to Ukraine", then it turns out that Ukraine was repaired at its joint venture, only abroad.
  49. 31rus2
    31rus2 18 May 2016 10: 25
    +1
    Dear like adults, write everything correctly, just you won't understand, we will not pull it right now, to build new factories, entire production facilities, to replace Belarusian products, and there are important things to do, in the same defense industry complex, with the same import substitution where needed and money and bright minds, not cheap populism and "Wishlist"
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 18 May 2016 14: 42
      +1
      Quote: 31rus2
      just don’t understand, we won’t pull now, to build new factories, whole production, to replace Belarusian products


      it will have to be done anyway. When we build factories at our place, we provide jobs for builders, long generations of people who will work at this plant and stable tax revenues to the state budget.
      And most importantly, the country's industrial security and freedom of action in the international arena.
  50. Buffet
    Buffet 18 May 2016 11: 09
    +1
    The article reminds "We have goods, you have a merchant." 90s and now cannot be compared. Now a bunch of proposals are coming from Russia, and there were also MZKT. The answer is negative. Regarding electronic warfare, do not la la. We see everything from the inside of this topic. For the most part, everything is made and developed in Russia. The only thing that is not present is microelectronics, yes. But given the ambition of the dad, it's better to do it yourself.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 18 May 2016 14: 26
      +1
      Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
      The only thing no is microelectronics, yes


      there is a level higher than in Belarus.
      Russia produces its own Elbrus processor, while Belarus does not have its own processor.
      1. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 19 May 2016 02: 00
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        Quote: lopvlad
        Russia releases its Elbrus processor

        google where it is PHYSICALLY produced
        And yes, there is no processor in Belarus, and indeed there are a lot of things that are produced in the Russian Federation.
        But RB is 9 million, not 140+
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 19 May 2016 02: 31
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          Quote: prosto_rgb
          Quote: lopvlad
          Russia releases its Elbrus processor

          google where it is PHYSICALLY produced
          And yes, there is no processor in Belarus, and indeed there are a lot of things that are produced in the Russian Federation.
          But RB is 9 million, not 140+

          TSMC, Taiwan.

          And nothing, that there are many more who orders their "microcircuits"? Apple, for example, and not only? wink
          1. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 19 May 2016 17: 03
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            Quote: Cat Man Null
            TSMC, Taiwan.

            Yeah, that's it.
            And what is this import substitution?
            If a production base for three to nine lands is located?
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Apple, for example, and not only

            And that Apple is generally a civilian firm