Military Review

The fate of "Watch"


Not so long ago, information appeared in the press that the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine was considering the possibility of suspending the adoption of the tactical wheeled vehicle Dozor-B by the Ukrainian army. Such a decision can be made in connection with a number of problems that have become known in the process of preparing for the transfer of the first batch of “Dozorov”. Recall that a contract was signed between the military department and the state enterprise Lviv Armored Plant, according to which the transfer of the first batch of vehicles to the armament was to take place no later than April 30 of the current year. But the "Watches" were not transmitted.

The development of a tactical vehicle was begun in 2006 year as an initiative project. Specialists of the state enterprise “A. Morozov Kharkiv Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering” worked on the project. Despite the fact that it was just a mock-up model, it was repeatedly demonstrated at international and Ukrainian arms exhibitions. However, the Ukrainian military did not show much interest in him.

When hostilities began in the east of Ukraine, and in the armed forces there was a need for a new armored vehicle, the Lviv armored plant was elected as an enterprise that was supposed to start mass production of new technology. When the first prototype of Dozor was ready at the enterprise, the car was sent for state tests that were carried out from August 17 to November 20 2015.

According to the results of these tests, it was announced that the prototype was tested successfully. At the same time, it was stressed that the start of mass production of tactical machines and their adoption by the Armed Forces of Ukraine is possible only after correcting all the shortcomings: both in the documentation and in the machine itself.

Part of the shortcomings was supposed to be corrected by adjusting the design documentation. In particular, we are talking about fixing the replacement of radio stations on Ukrainian "Lybid" and American Harris. In addition, the final document stated that there are discrepancies between the prototype and the requirements of the working documentation. So, on the “Patrol” there are other bridges, other than the ones indicated in the documents, other wheel reducers, heating of side and stern windows, filtering unit and winch of the wrong brand, other radiators are not installed.

By and large, all these differences are insignificant. Since all installed equipment is not worse than indicated by the documents, just different. But at the same time, the military department insisted on full compliance of the working documentation. Part of the changes planned to be introduced after the first series - with the 11 machine.

Another, but more significant difference - the use of Polish steel Armstall 500 instead of the Ukrainian "71" for the manufacture of the machine body. Meanwhile, all calculations regarding the strength of the hull, its bullet and anti-mine resistance were made on the basis of the characteristics of Ukrainian steel.

As of June 2015, a list of differences was compiled that dealt with component materials, in particular, the anti-shatter “tamping” of armored glass and the above-mentioned armor.

“Ukroboronprom” argued the discrepancy of the declared materials by the fact that Ukrainian steel is not being manufactured at the moment, and it is quite problematic to resume its production in small quantities for the first batch of machines. The Ministry of Defense, in turn, demanded that studies of Polish steel be carried out in order to determine the possibilities of its use - the anti-bullet resistance of welds of the structure.

In addition to the above, the discrepancy was in the components for tactical machines. Some units and components were purchased from different suppliers. The leadership of the Lviv enterprise argued this with the realities of the modern market.

All these inconsistencies led to the fact that the representatives of the military department, who were responsible for the quality control of the “Dozorov” assembly, announced the occurrence of certain risks in several areas. In particular, enterprises refuse to supply components, parts, assemblies for machines with quality control and cost verification by military representatives, and in general, the constant change of suppliers makes it impossible to implement quality manufacturing of components.

Tensions between the customer and the machine manufacturer remained until the beginning of the state tests in 2015. Some of the shortcomings were eliminated with the assistance of the Kharkov Engineering Design Bureau. In fact, there was a process of finalizing the equipment to the maximum possible ideal.

In accordance with the contract, the production of the first ten “Dozorov” was to be completed by March 31 of the current year, and the transfer to the customer - by April 30. However, as of April 25, the situation was as follows: Lviv enterprise presented the Dozor tactical vehicles 10 to the military department for testing. But in the course of these tests, the next defects and shortcomings were revealed, which were repeated on several machines at once. In particular, this concerned faults in the braking system, fire-fighting system, steering, control panel, wheel gearboxes, as well as hull cracks in three “Patrols” at once.

In addition, certain requirements of the Ministry of Defense were not met. We are talking about the non-fulfillment of the conditions for ensuring the boundary noise level, poor thermal insulation and ventilation systems to ensure comfortable conditions in the temperature range from –40 to + 50 degrees.

In addition, the causes of cracks on the cases of cars, the mileage of which was only 120-400 km, have not been established, therefore, according to representatives of the Ukrainian MO, it is possible that similar defects may appear on other machines.

Also, some comments related to the fact that the Lviv enterprise installed instead of the combat modules of the production of the Kharkov Tractor Plant stipulated by the contract, the turntables of its own design, which failed to provide the necessary accuracy of fire.

All these shortcomings and shortcomings ultimately led to the fact that on the day of the transfer of the “Dozorov” to the military department the customer decided to temporarily suspend the acceptance of tactical vehicles into service until the causes of defects were detected, prevented and eliminated.

It should also be noted that the “Dozor” model, which was sent to the international arms exhibition, was significantly different from those machines that were ordered for the Ukrainian army. All this raises a lot of questions. So, why in the tactical vehicles provided for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, is not installed a combat module with remote control (unlike the export sample) to ensure firing at 360 degrees? Why are these machines not equipped with thermal imagers? One more question that cannot fail to arise - why, during the state tests, the level of ballistic and mine protection of Dozorov was not checked? Of course, if the cars are transferred to educational institutions for training cadets (this is one of the scenarios), then this characteristic is not so important. But after all, these machines were originally planned to be sent to the combat zone ...

All these questions require immediate answers, which so far cannot or do not want to give either to the military department or to the enterprise. Anyway, it is obvious that it’s still very early to put an end to “Patrols”. Hurry, everything is just beginning.

Today, according to analysts, it is not known whether these machines will go into service with the Ukrainian army, and if they do, then in what status. "Ukroboronprom" assures that even with such inconsistencies "Dozors" fully meet the tactical and technical characteristics, but the military department is not in a hurry to accept the ordered equipment.

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  1. Evgesh91
    Evgesh91 17 May 2016 06: 57
    Ukroboronprom assures that even with such inconsistencies, the Dozors fully meet the tactical and technical characteristics
    not even funny already. If you turn the wheels off, will it also fit? smile
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 17 May 2016 07: 28
      Without wheels, it will be even better - fewer cracks from vibrations of the body when moving laughing .
    2. self-propelled
      self-propelled 17 May 2016 09: 40
      I dare to assume that the point is not that "the car is bad" (with the proper approach to business, you can fix all these "jambs"). The Mariupol Azovmash (under the Tyazhmash Union) once produced an extensive range of defense products (including armored hulls and tank turrets). now practically idle. even when everyone in Ukraine rushed to build armored vehicles for the army, Azovmash never received orders from the Ministry of Defense. on the other hand, the presidential "Bogdan" (who had never heard of armor) was "in chocolate" with defense orders. or, as an example, the "Ukrainian armored vehicles" which came out of nowhere (formerly called "Ukrglavpak" and produced plastic containers (!!!) and was engaged in wholesale trade ... request ) with his "Warta" (1,2). they say that people at the helm of the company are close to the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Avakov ...
      I repeat, but nevertheless ... the very idea of ​​the "Patrols" as a whole family (and in addition to the armored car it was supposed to produce a tactical car (similar to the American "Hummer")) was not bad at all. only the impression is created that someone is deliberately "drowning" some manufacturers for the sake of others (their own, if you like). just business, nothing personal ... what
      on the photo "Varta-2" for the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine
      1. aba
        aba 17 May 2016 18: 42
        I dare to guess, it's not that "the car is bad"

        Maybe so, but the trouble is: in Ukraine, something is not visible to the new cars in the series, apparently it is already beyond her power.
        And to rivet exhibition samples, so it is possible without well-established production.
        1. self-propelled
          self-propelled 17 May 2016 20: 27
          Quote: aba
          Maybe so, but the trouble is: in Ukraine, something is not visible to the new cars in the series, apparently it is already beyond her power.
          And to rivet exhibition samples, so it is possible without well-established production.

          most interestingly, there are still opportunities to produce armored vehicles on an industrial scale. I focus on there is still. for a little more time (considering "support and assistance from the state") and from all these possibilities there will be nothing left ...
  2. spech
    spech 17 May 2016 07: 49
    but the military department is in no hurry to accept the ordered equipment.

    As children small laughing , where you should and ALL problems are solved fool
  3. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 17 May 2016 08: 25
    During the two years of the war in the Donbass, the Ukrainian army lost 50% of self-propelled artillery systems, 52% of towed artillery, 37% of multiple launch rocket systems, 29% of tanks and 56% BMP of various modifications.

    Such data, referring to sources in the power structures, was published on his page on the social network by ex-deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Alexey Zhuravko. (Cry)

    Air casualties during the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine
    1. Lens
      Lens 18 May 2016 18: 43
      This table has already been argued on the pages of VO. All the same, it is believed that either it is overestimated, or written off "Potemkin" units are inserted into it. Don't fall for fakes. Even if Poroshenko starts throwing them around, it’s not like an offended ex-deputy.
  4. volodya
    volodya 17 May 2016 08: 43
    Again, this Shame B.Nu collapsed, turn into scrap!
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 May 2016 09: 59
    The key information is that armored steel is no longer produced in Maidania! Not to mention small arms barrels, artillery barrels, cartridges, shells, etc.
    1. Lens
      Lens 18 May 2016 18: 46
      Information is not perceived correctly. Mariupol Iron and Steel Works is ready to produce bulletproof steel. But volumes for the sake of which it would be necessary to reconfigure the conveyor were not needed by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, due to surpluses. The party is experienced.
  6. avt
    avt 17 May 2016 10: 03
    ,, This is some kind of Shame. "But not from Shvonder, but from Pig .... Herring Curd! Even somehow discussing what happened to the highly industrialized part of the USSR in which EVERYTHING was produced from aircraft carriers to missiles, now calculate and make a motorized cart stupidly can’t ... request Hemorrhoids pissed!
  7. iliya87
    iliya87 17 May 2016 10: 13
    So they themselves destroyed the defense industry, why be surprised. The fate of engineers from factories that have been closed or will be closed in the near future is interesting, they cannot leave according to their status "possess secret information" will they go to work as loaders? Don't they feel sorry for their own?
  8. sa-zz
    sa-zz 17 May 2016 10: 40
    Is there an assembly in the garage?
  9. Verdun
    Verdun 17 May 2016 12: 16
    In addition, the causes of cracks on the cases of cars, the mileage of which was only 120-400 km, have not been established, therefore, according to representatives of the Ukrainian MO, it is possible that similar defects may appear on other machines.
    As a person who took part in the development of machines of this kind, I can name this reason with 100% certainty. When welding hardened armor plates, excessive stresses arise in the places of welded seams, due to which cracks are formed as a result of vibration and mechanical loads. It is necessary either to temper the armor plate in the welding places before applying the seams, followed by restoring the hardening, or to release the entire sheet and harden the entire body after the end of welding. There is no "Newton binomial" in this, and it is extremely strange that the Ukrainian creators of the Dozor do not know the obvious facts.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 17 May 2016 18: 39
      that the Ukrainian founders of Dozor do not know the obvious facts.
      I know they, I think, know, but this is all the rise in price of production. So why bother, it will burn anyway.
  10. abc_alex
    abc_alex 17 May 2016 12: 19
    Tactical car?

    So is there an operational-tactical, operational and strategic car? Dumb copying of Americanisms in which even field toilets can have the name of a tactical utilizer causes a feeling of inferiority of the creators.
  11. erik cartman
    erik cartman 17 May 2016 20: 24
    Most likely the main reason is no money. And all the links to the mismatch of the sample TK
    a simple excuse. Let the old BRDM upgrade, it will turn out cheaper.