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Is Mistral needed in our Gulf?

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I must say right away that this is not an attempt to figure out yet another seething on the topic of helicopter carriers that are already bored by everyone. This is about the Gulf factory. Actually, we know little about what sailed to us together with the Crimea. And believe me, except for parking for fleet, beaches and vineyards there are many more interesting and useful things. Lots of. And this is worth telling.

Having come across the statement of the Minister of Industrial Policy of Crimea Andriy Vasyuta, I confess, I was surprised.

“Zavod Plant” is a unique enterprise. There is no such shipyard and no such dry dock that exists at the Zaliv plant at any shipyard of the Russian Federation. By and large, the Mistral issue would never have been there if 5 years ago, when orders occurred, there was such a shipyard as the Kerch Zaliv plant.

Surprised, of course, not by the presence of the Minister of Industrial Policy in Crimea, no. And what I read in his interview. After rummaging in addition, I made conclusions, which I decided to share.

I'll start from the factory.

The Zaliv plant exists in the city of Kerch as early as 1938. True, during the war I changed registration to Tyumen and Perm, but after that I returned back to Kerch. A restoration was carried out, after which the plant was engaged in the production of tankers of the type "Crimea" and "Panamax", military frigates and oil platforms. From 1945 to 1980, the plant built and handed over 814 ships and ships to the customer.

In the 70-80 years of the last century, the Gulf reached the peak of its shape with the release of the first large-capacity supertanker Crimea, followed by a whole series of giants of the 1511 project: Kryvbas, Kuban, Kavkaz, Sovetskaya Neft, "Kuban". The displacement of tankers was 180 thousand tons. They are still the largest ships built in the USSR. Well, in Russia, respectively.

Is Mistral needed in our Gulf?


Ships and vessels of smaller size were built. Including "Sevmorput", a unique and the world's first icebreaker-lighter carrier with a nuclear power plant.



Built and warships.

The 1135 "Petrel" project, the most famous of which is the Selfless Brigade patrol ship, which became famous for "popping out" the Yorktown cruiser from our 12-mile zone in February of the 1988 year. Built 7 ships.



11351 project, modification of the same guard for the border service. Built 8 ships. The most famous, perhaps mutated in the frigate "Getman Sahaidachny", the beauty and glory of the Ukrainian fleet.

And then the Soviet past ended, and began a harsh independence. And since 1993 of the year, Zaliv has been exclusively engaged in the production of shells for Dutch companies.

In 2000, the plant was bought by Ukrainian businessman David Zhvania. And the "Gulf" began to rapidly grow smaller. And then all the shares went under the hammer to banks and groups.

A slight improvement occurred in 2006, when the majority of the assets were actually bought by the Ukrainian businessman Konstantin Zhevago from the holding company AvtoKrAZ. The plant began to get out of debt, and even in 2011, the vessel Polarcus Adira was built by order of the Norwegian company Ulstein.

And then a well-known event happened ... And AvtoKrAZ Holding lost its plant. The Gulf swam away ... both geographically and economically.

The official site of the plant talks about the raider seizure of the plant by a certain LLC “Shipbuilding Plant“ Zaliv ”(Moscow) with the support of the so-called“ Self-defense of the Crimea ”and stopping all activities. Well, perhaps the raider seizure was, that's just, according to SBU, he was not led by an emissary from Moscow under the protection of the "green man", but the chief engineer of the plant, Yuri Bogomyagkov, and the workers of the plant.

What is the factory "Bay"? And how right was Vasuta, saying that the gulf could build a "Mistral" or something like that?

It turns out, the minister is right.

The plant has a huge dry dock (360 x 60 x 13,2 m), which is serviced by two gantry cranes with a lifting capacity of 320 t each and five portal cranes with a lifting capacity of 80 t each.





Crane equipment allows forming ship hulls from large sections and blocks weighing up to 600 t.



The dry dock can be divided into two parts, which allows for the parallel repair and construction of several vessels at the same time.

The other technological complex has two horizontal slipways of 400 m length with the following cranes: two for 80 t, three for 32 t and four for 16 t. Both lines have a common triggering device — a transverse slip, which ensures the descent of ships weighing up to 2500 t .

If in general, the base is available. However, according to Vasiuta, the plant has degraded considerably over the past 20 years and needs significant modernization.

"The first of the problems we have encountered is the large depreciation of fixed assets and, as a result, the need for substantial modernization of these enterprises. It's no secret that all 23 years of being part of Ukraine are practically a process of degradation of these enterprises, a gradual decrease orders, a gradual decrease in competence. "

And there is the problem of the outflow of personnel, which in an amicable way, must be returned back to the factory.

And this can be done with a very simple condition: orders. At the moment, at the shipyard in Kerch there are two rescue ships of the project А-163 and two universal sea tankers in operation.

If everything is exactly as Vasuta said, and the numbers do not seem to doubt this, then the problem that we have repeatedly discussed here on the site regarding the construction of large-capacity ships is not so acute.

Yes, the Gulf is difficult to compare with such monsters of shipbuilding as the Ocean, the Black Sea Plant and the Nikolaev Shipbuilding Plant named after 61 Kommunar. After all, the ships that still serve in the Russian Navy were built there in their time. "Admiral Kuznetsov", "Moscow", and many of our other warships.

However, if we proceed from the principle “use what is at hand and do not look for something else for yourself”, then if you put time and money in Kerch we will be able to get a shipbuilding base for your country, if it is inferior to Nikolaev factories, then only in part of past victories and success.

But, unlike the Nikolaev shipbuilders, their Kerch colleagues have a perspective. And this perspective must be fully developed and used with maximum efficiency. And then there will be no headaches for who and where will build a new Russian (say) aircraft carrier, helicopter carrier or BOD.

One thing is important: the Russian ship should be built only in Russia and by our specialists. This is the only way for 100% to be insured against the repetition of dubious "mystral" epics.
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  1. Uncle Murzik
    Uncle Murzik 16 May 2016 06: 37
    +56
    "One point is important - a Russian ship should be built only in Russia and by our specialists. This is the only way to be 100% insured against the repetition of dubious" mistral "epics." I agree 100%, plus article
    1. svp67
      svp67 16 May 2016 06: 48
      +45
      Quote: Uncle Murzik
      "One point is important - a Russian ship should be built only in Russia and by our specialists. This is the only way to be 100% insured against the repetition of dubious" mistral "epics." I agree 100%, plus article

      The idea is correct, but it is probably worth adding to it: "from materials, components and assemblies developed and produced in Russia."
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 16 May 2016 08: 05
      +28
      Well, for the sake of justice, it’s impossible to build the Mistral there - the bow is large-block and is assembled at 1000 (at least like 800) - blocks of 650-680 tons.

      Plus, there is a very big depreciation of funds. The same Dry Dock was just recently restored, completely replacing the shutter. Moreover, in order to disassemble it, and then assemble it, as well as make a new shutter, they attracted the person who designed the dock in 60's.

      And the new British aircraft carrier is being built with a Chinese crane in 1600 tons, with the highest accuracy. There, high-availability units reach up to 1450 tons.
      1. uskrabut
        uskrabut 16 May 2016 08: 34
        +15
        I think there are technologies without making large blocks. Once upon a time they built without such cranes, and the boats were rather big. We must use what we have, well, and develop.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 16 May 2016 09: 12
          +29
          So, the whole point is in collecting a ship from high-availability blocks. It is possible in the old way, but then the ship will be built three times longer, and twice as expensive.

          The same Makassar - 45 million dollars (minimum salary in general 38 million) - 8-10k displacement, dock camera, hangars, two cargo decks, a landing battalion with equipment. BRP Tarlac (the head Filipino) drove to the Philippines less almost exactly a year after the bookmark.
          1. Galleon
            Galleon 16 May 2016 10: 02
            +21
            In addition and for comparison: the Rybinsk shipyard "Vympel" builds 40-meter ships for the Navy "the old fashioned way" for one and a half to two years.
          2. spravochnik
            spravochnik 16 May 2016 21: 47
            +9
            So, the whole point is in collecting a ship from high-availability blocks. It is possible in the old way, but then the ship will be built three times longer, and twice as expensive.

            The concept of high-availability blocks is determined not by its size (it may be smaller, for example, 600 tons), but by its filling, i.e. all systems inherent in the unit must be mounted in the assembly shop, before the unit is delivered to the construction site.
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 16 May 2016 13: 23
        +12
        Apparently, shipbuilding should be developed precisely in the direction of creating or acquiring cranes of 1500–2000 tons of carrying capacity.
        1. pr 627
          pr 627 16 May 2016 21: 27
          +9
          Develop shipbuilding? Incorrect understanding of the situation. It must be restored from scratch.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 16 May 2016 22: 26
            +2
            Quote: pr 627
            It must be restored from scratch.

            This is you too, although there really are enough problems.
          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC 17 May 2016 12: 13
            +2
            Quote: pr 627
            Incorrect understanding of the situation. It must be restored from scratch.

            Yes, even with a negative value, to puzzle designers, scientists, engineers, let them design, build.
        2. yehat
          yehat 17 May 2016 09: 53
          +4
          shipbuilding development is hundreds of directions. training a bunch of specialists in metal, welding, installation, etc. Infrastructure preparation, machine tools and so on. equipment, creating a flow of orders and a consumer market. Expansion of the merchant and fishing fleet and its PROTECTION, support abroad. Huge work, which even the USSR did not say that pulled very well.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 17 May 2016 12: 16
            +3
            Quote: yehat
            Huge work, which even the USSR did not say that pulled very well.

            You never know what you can do till you try.
      3. svp67
        svp67 16 May 2016 14: 17
        +4
        Quote: donavi49
        Mistral signified there is no build

        Well, here are two solutions:
        - build your "projects", making the most of the possibilities of what is.
        - carry out a complete modernization of production.
        Something tells me that something will be chosen now, something in between - and the ships will build and modernize.
      4. PKK
        PKK 16 May 2016 16: 36
        +5
        I think the problem is not in the cranes, but in the will from above. The solution will mature and there will be cranes and financing. But the time has not yet come for Kerch. There are still more vital problems.
      5. 30BIS
        30BIS 17 May 2016 07: 38
        0
        Down and Out trouble started ! You can groan and gasp ... And you can start to work, modernizing as you go.
    3. Imigrantt
      Imigrantt 17 May 2016 08: 59
      +23
      Good day gentlemen !!! I live in Kerch !!! I'll clarify the situation !!!! Everything that is written is correct, but until there is federal government in Kerch and Crimea, such plants as "ZALIV" and Feodosia "MORE" will float for a long time as if in an ice hole !!!! At the moment Zelenodoltsy are in charge of the "ZALIV", and this economy is deplorable - I observe it with my own eyes. Laying the same ship three times is complete bullshit. Painting the assembly shop, cutting out supposedly superfluous metal structures, as well as weekly meetings about "work done" is eyewash and resembles a simplified sawing of public funds. Which are from the pockets of taxpayers - tobish from our pockets. Until there is direct federal government, affairs in Crimea will diverge from business, since former Ukrainian embezzlers, who are now repainted, sit at the helm in Crimea and in the localities. As for the direct "ZALIVA", the plant requires much more serious sums for the modernization and production of new ships. And the management should be independent - subordinate only to the center, and not to a branch and a private shop !!!! I have the honor !!!!
      1. yehat
        yehat 17 May 2016 10: 01
        +3
        you look narrowly at the question. The work of such a large shipyard is possible only with developed logistics. We need integration with the land economy, with suppliers. But as?
        Crimea will not provide everything. So you need to carry. Where and how? A piece of iron through Ukraine? do not tell my slippers! Bypassing? uncomfortable. The question arises of direct communication and the Kerch bridge, strengthening the work of ferries. In general, the work is complex, long and difficult.
        In the USSR this could be planned and done. Now? I’m not sure about this, I don’t believe that in Moscow someone will really rip an ass to implement this program. And Muscovites will not be allowed to do anything else.
        1. KVIRTU
          KVIRTU 27 May 2016 20: 33
          0
          For yehat: Imigrantt will look more broadly at the question when the Crimean Minister of Industrial Policy Andrei Vasyut will be replaced.
          OPG "Salem" tells you about something? Take a look "Gangster Crimea".
      2. dropout
        dropout 17 May 2016 20: 54
        +5
        I also live in Kerch. There is another huge problem. FRAMES!
        Which is almost gone.
        1. aba
          aba 18 May 2016 02: 37
          +2
          . There is another huge problem. FRAMES!

          But this is already a problem not only of your plant, but it is a problem of the whole country, which some time ago stated that what we can’t do, we’ll buy it. As a result, the dismissal of workers, the closure and reprofiling of vocational schools, etc., etc.
      3. SOUTH,
        SOUTH, 20 May 2016 15: 56
        +1
        Quote: Imigrantt
        at the moment, Zelenodoltsy is the boss, and this thriftiness is deplorable - I observe it with my own eyes. .... this is fraud and resembles a simplified cutting of public funds .... Since the former Ukrainian and now repainted, the same embezzlers, are sitting at the helm in the Crimea and in the localities.

        I fully support, I also live in Kerch and hear from the workers of the Gulf only negative things about Zelenodoltsy and the leaders of the Gulf. Also, our design office has a sad experience of working with "leaders". There will be no sense. We must drive the new owners. And return to the state
  2. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 16 May 2016 06: 37
    +12
    The time has come for sufficiently small-sized ships for the near and far zones. The development of missile weapons and UAVs makes it possible to have serious combat capabilities in small and medium tonnage. Just do not fall into gigantomania. And such ships can be built more and more diverse. And at this and other plants.
  3. Utlan
    Utlan 16 May 2016 07: 02
    +46
    Finally, the turn came to our factory ... The situation is even worse than what is written here, for 23 years the factory only robbed some of the production completely destroyed. For example, the completion shop isn’t there, which means you won’t hand over the turnkey ship. As for what is being built there ... I xs where the author got such information from. But 100% information is that 2 cable layers and the Navy are being built. Movement to restore the plant is but very weak. The plant needs large orders so that he can get out and of course state control.
    1. Pitot
      Pitot 16 May 2016 07: 20
      +13
      May God bless you and your plant. I would like Russia to overcome the consequences of the previous "guardians" more quickly ...
    2. avt
      avt 16 May 2016 09: 09
      +11
      Quote: Utlan
      . The plant needs large orders so that it can get out and of course the state control.

      Well, no one argues with that. However, the question is - Do you have personnel? In the Baltic, in general, half of the "Mistral" has been built and there are no problems at all - there are capacities, personnel, technologies. And the "Zaliv" will receive an order like this tomorrow and in a year will launch an analogue of the "Mistral" so under 30 thousand for completion at the wall? what Maybe all the same, at first calculate something like that? Enough with us long-term construction in the Far East of corvettes in 2000 tons. Again the question is here
      And there is the problem of the outflow of personnel, which in an amicable way, must be returned back to the factory.
      And where will the frames come back from? From Mars, or from Ukraine? Or do they still work at Russian shipyards, which are now packed with orders? Well, let's return them to Zaliv by compulsory allocation in accordance with the registration wassat Well, what happens where they work now ??? Not - of course you can throw caps into the air in ecstasy
      Quote: KudrevKN
      Bravo, bravo! As a shipbuilder by his first education, I fully agree with the Author! The only snag is our federal and regional authorities?

      Quote: KudrevKN
      ! So the canine principle "in the manger" turns out: I AM NOT AM, AND WILL NOT GIVE ANOTHER? In the sense of the Crimean people want to work for the good of Russia, but the Motherland does not want this yet !? It's a pity ....

      And if you think about the fact that the cap covers? Well, if the head is not only bone, according to Cygnus, the deceased, and can’t hurt?
      Quote: Pitot
      I would like Russia to overcome the consequences of the previous "guardians" more quickly ...

      I would like to .... However, if you hurry, you will make people laugh. First, as I said above, it would be necessary to figure out whether the Bay is ready for such an order, to estimate what is needed in terms of people and means and at what time everything can be provided, and Then you can surprise with the construction not in 12 years as they tortured Gren, but in a year, as it was with the Mistrals. In the meantime, you can practice on the metal structures for the bridge and hand over those orders that seem to have already been laid there.
      1. Kudrevkn
        Kudrevkn 16 May 2016 09: 36
        +9
        Only 280 shipbuilders worked at Vyartsel, who built the Vaigach nuclear-powered ship for us in 2 years (!) And for the Americans 13 deck "Wanderer of the Seas" in 3 years! And which of us has a bone instead of a head?
        1. avt
          avt 16 May 2016 09: 57
          +5
          Quote: KudrevKN
          Only 280 shipbuilders worked at Vyartsel, who built the Vaigach nuclear-powered ship for us in 2 years (!) And for the Americans 13 deck "Wanderer of the Seas" in 3 years! And which of us has a bone instead of a head?

          There are personnel on the Bay that are not inferior in qualifications to dates from Vyartsile and the shipyard is ALREADY equipped at the same level?
          Quote: KudrevKN
          And which of us has a bone instead of a head?

          Maybe all the same, you’ll read and comprehend my post? Or do you have information from a place, yes so
          Quote: avt
          , it would be necessary to figure out whether the Bay "is ready for such an order, to estimate what is needed in terms of people and means and at what time it is possible to provide everything, and then surprise with the construction not in 12 years as tortured" Gren ", but in a year , as it was with the "Mistrals".

          If you can give a qualified certificate as of today, then as our likely friends say - well. We will read it with pleasure and rejoice.
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 16 May 2016 10: 44
        +4
        Quote: avt
        . In the meantime, you can practice on the metal structures for the bridge and hand over those orders that seem to have already been laid there.

        I completely agree that it is not enough to have the desire to "Embrace the immensity", you also need to gain reason. To have a professional staff you need work, but how to start work if there is no staff? "Zaliv" should start small, let's say medium-tonnage civil and auxiliary vessels .. gain experience and educate personnel, and then throw caps and champagne on board!
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 16 May 2016 14: 29
          +7
          Quote: Serg65
          .gain experience and educate staff,

          Yes, as JV Stalin said (in any case, he is credited with it) "Cadres decide everything!" (And now "cadres decide EVERYTHING!" lol ) Previously, at any large-scale large plant in any city there were vocational schools where they trained and trained the personnel needed for this particular plant. That is, until the consciousness is expanded, the youth will not be interested in the fact that the profession is a turner, engineer, in a word - a techie is much better and well paid than a manager or a lawyer / economist, wait for results for a long time.
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      4. g1v2
        g1v2 16 May 2016 15: 01
        +3
        I do not agree. To raise shipyards, they need orders. Any. ASCA with these orders for 20380 just from the debt hole and raise. Yes, for a long time, but more expensive, but shipbuilding cannot be restored in another way. It is clear that while these enterprises are modernizing, recruiting people, training them, etc. they will build slowly. But without government orders, they will disappear altogether. The government fully understands this and therefore gives such orders to raise shipyards. There are a lot of ships and ships now, and there aren’t much free places, since all shipyards need to be put in order. The goal is not to get the ship faster, but to raise the shipyard. And in 2, 2014 tankers were actually laid down on the bay, realizing that they will be built VERY long, but I repeat - to raise pr-in - orders are needed. hi
        1. yehat
          yehat 17 May 2016 11: 54
          +1
          like they wanted to build a fishing fleet
      5. spravochnik
        spravochnik 16 May 2016 21: 53
        0
        and then to surprise with the construction not in 12 years as they tortured "Gren"


        What was the financing of the program, such and the timing of construction.
  4. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 16 May 2016 07: 27
    +19
    Bravo, bravo! As a shipbuilder by my first education, I completely agree with the Author! The only snag - our federal and regional authorities? And also state banks, which still believe that "Crimea is NOT OUR" !!! Sberbank, VEB and VTB are not going to Crimea yet, which means there is no funding! USC is also in no hurry to go to Zaliv, fearing for its Finnish and German assets? Of course, the Chinese could have been invited, but ... "there is no political will" ?! So the canine principle "in the manger" turns out: I AM NOT AM, AND WILL NOT GIVE ANOTHER? In the sense of the Crimean people want to work for the good of Russia, but the Motherland does not want this yet !? It's a pity ....
    1. Winter cherry
      Winter cherry 16 May 2016 09: 11
      0
      Large federal construction projects may be financed by the Central Bank or the Bank of Russia
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 16 May 2016 09: 18
      +4
      Normally, Crimean enterprises will only work when the collapse of the BU is finally fixed.
      Two years ago, our government reared, now we are paying the whole of Russia.
  5. AlexYa
    AlexYa 16 May 2016 07: 37
    +12
    Everything has its time. It is clear that you want to go faster and more. And I am sure they will reach the "Bay". But, - we must first build power plants. You have to be realistic. Without them, the industry cannot be raised.
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 16 May 2016 08: 37
      +8
      And finish the bridge. Reliable transport links are indispensable.
  6. VeterS
    VeterS 16 May 2016 07: 38
    +4
    And there is the problem of the outflow of personnel, which in an amicable way, must be returned back to the factory.
    With a competent and smart personnel policy, this problem will be solved not by RETURNING (like, come back I will forgive everything) personnel, but as a result of competitive selection events! Or among the shipbuilders of the same Nikolaev there are none?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 16 May 2016 08: 02
      +11
      Today, as the same Zeleny Dol demonstrates, the only effective solution to the personnel policy is the education of shipbuilders, their hiring, and growth.

      Among the shipbuilders of Nikolaev - there are none, all who could have left the 2005-2010's to the NE, Yantar, Sevmash and Admiralteyk.

      It doesn’t work like that, 23 of the year has passed.

      The same ChSZ (the most lively factory) - now it is engaged in non-core activities mainly, in fact, it is recruited as follows (to ensure rental of workshops, perform GOZ on stoves, cut metal sets, etc.) there are a little more than 1000 people and an average salary of 5000 UAH (less than 200 bucks).

      Initially, there were also 1000 people in the Gulf, now there is 2100 and a plan to dial up to 2500 this year. However, the average salary is 26,5k rubles (that is, slightly less than 400 bucks). But this is a near-ceiling, in Zelenaya Dol 30k + a developed bonus system (yes, there they give apartments to the best workers).
    2. Kudrevkn
      Kudrevkn 16 May 2016 09: 08
      +6
      Of course, the main workforce should be looked for in Nikolaev! But people will move "on terms" - salary, housing, communication skills, etc. With regards to electricity, it is there that all 4 lines from the Russian Federation pass! about the bridge - you need to use the quay wall of the plant as a transport terminal for the delivery of goods to Crimea (logistics center). In addition, "Zaliv" MUST be involved in the construction of the BRIDGE as a manufacturer of STEEL STRUCTURES and STEEL SECTIONS
      supports and other structures! They cannot build ships and ships yet, let them build buildings and structures on the basis of metal structures and metal frames! The so-called "noodles"! Plus - work on ship repair of the same ships from the Syrian Express! Although the money is less, it will be enough for the first time!
      1. Professor
        Professor 16 May 2016 09: 47
        +4
        Quote: KudrevKN
        Of course, the main workers should be searched in Nikolaev!

        You will not find. All who could have already left, some to Russia, some to the Baltic states, some to Norway, and some to continue.

        Quote: KudrevKN
        In addition, "Zaliv" MUST be involved in the construction of the BRIDGE as a manufacturer of STEEL STRUCTURES and STEEL SECTIONS

        "Bay" will not pull. Nikolaev and Kherson always helped him in this matter. Zaliv itself was mainly engaged in assembly.
        1. Vladimir61
          Vladimir61 16 May 2016 18: 46
          0
          Quote: Professor
          "Bay" will not pull. Nikolaev and Kherson always helped him in this matter. Zaliv itself was mainly engaged in assembly.
          Everything has its time. While the salary allows, the car is washed in a car wash, with shampoo. When not, washcloth, with a bucket, with liquid soap. Time, yes more, the effect is better - for yourself, but most importantly, practically for nothing!
        2. Monarchist
          Monarchist 12 June 2016 21: 50
          0
          I believe that a ship like the Mistral in Kerch cannot be pulled: a) Large funds are needed to raise a factory and build a ship, but there is no such money. B) The construction of large ships involves the cooperation of many enterprises and good transport, but there is still no cooperation and transport support matured
      2. avt
        avt 16 May 2016 10: 02
        +1
        Quote: KudrevKN
        . With regards to electric energy, all four threads from the Russian Federation pass there!

        laughing I'm going about
        Quote: avt
        If you can give a qualified certificate as of today, then as our likely friends say - well.

        Got excited .... That is, not enough for consumers - we will turn it off in favor of the "Gulf".
        Quote: KudrevKN
        "Zaliv" MUST be involved in the construction of the BRIDGE as a manufacturer of METAL STRUCTURES and METAL SECTIONS
        supports and other structures!

        So at least it has already been declared - it will be involved, seek and find.
        Quote: KudrevKN
        They cannot build ships and ships, let them build buildings and structures on the basis of

        wassat So anyway
        Quote: KudrevKN
        Only 280 shipbuilders worked at Vyartsel, who built the Vaigach nuclear-powered ship for us in 2 years (!) And for the Americans 13 deck "Wanderer of the Seas" in 3 years!
        or can not?
        1. Kudrevkn
          Kudrevkn 16 May 2016 10: 53
          0
          If they can - well, they won't be able to do it like in the Navy: "Can't you? We'll teach you! Don't you want to? We'll force you!" There would be a desire and "political will", but there will be shipbuilders! The Russian land is rich in folk craftsmen - nuggets, like the Finns and the Germans !? At least not stupider than them?
          1. avt
            avt 16 May 2016 12: 31
            +2
            Quote: KudrevKN
            If they can - well, they won't be able to do it like in the Navy: "Can't you? We'll teach you! Don't you want to? We'll force you!" There would be a desire and "political will", but there will be shipbuilders! The Russian land is rich in folk craftsmen - nuggets, like the Finns and the Germans !? At least not stupider than them?

            Are you out of your mind! ?? HOW do you make yesterday's schoolboy become a master of the 6th category at the same time! ?? fool Have you ever been in production at least once in your life? Have you ever been present at the creation of something? Does such a concept as “school”, besides obtaining a certificate, say something? Or maybe everything is more prosaic - you carry this pseudo-patriotic nonsense in pursuit of a rating?
            1. Kudrevkn
              Kudrevkn 17 May 2016 08: 37
              +1
              Sure. buddy, I'm out of my mind. Not in yours? How can I get yesterday's student to become a master of the 6th grade? How we were taught and forced and taught by experienced craftsmen! As a cadet of VVMIOLU in the factory practice, they forced us to polish the armor of the Aurora during the repair of the cruiser on the Balt. factory. A week later, "with Komsomol enthusiasm," factory "masters of the 6th category" gave such a head start in the skill of owning the "Volna" shoroshka that the hard workers almost beat us because of the breakdown in prices? We have 2-3 categories of students and 10 rubles. per shift, and they have the 6th - and 25 rubles? So buddy, you need to read and think more, not me! With regards to my biography and my 3 higher educations, then everyone would have to make a career and do so much for the country. besides a son, a house, a tree, we would all live in Switzerland or New Zealand! And so we live in ...
              1. avt
                avt 17 May 2016 12: 55
                +3
                Quote: KudrevKN
                A week later, "with Komsomol enthusiasm, the" factory "masters of the 6th grade" gave such a head start in mastering the "Volna" shoroshka that we

                I am such masters of the 6th grade with a cutter, who at the start manage to connect connectors ,, dad "with ,, dad" and even ,, mom "with .. mom" bypassing the full proof "with Komsomol enthusiasm, I saw in the USSR and how they gave a head start to the pindjaks - I know.
                Quote: KudrevKN
                x 3 higher educations,

                I also know how quite a "pinjaki" and with no less higher education planted solder with lead in a system where hydrogen peroxide is driven and the start in Plisetsk was fucking demolished - so
                Quote: KudrevKN
                Of course. buddy, I'm out of my mind. Not in yours?

                “As for the mind - He is very light-minded: Thank God, we distinguish Forget-me-not from shit. "life is not enough for serious production.
  7. Basalaev
    Basalaev 16 May 2016 07: 46
    +7
    I will add that in Russia there are still thousands of enterprises not completely destroyed by "spectacular shrews" - in fact, the entire industry needs new industrialization. Until it's not too late...
  8. ImPerts
    ImPerts 16 May 2016 07: 48
    +2
    Specifically, "Mistral" is probably not needed, but the rearmament of the plant and the start of mass production - yes.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 16 May 2016 08: 17
      +17
      But this is the most popular class today. And as Syria has shown, interests very much force them to carry out large transfers of troops, equipment and cargo by sea. And BDK do it, one of which celebrates the 50 anniversary, the other is ten years younger ... Yes, old transports bought in Turkey that are already falling apart. The same boats carry KIL, and helicopters Ruslans.

      For example, the aforementioned Mistral could take both Raptors (KIL is engaged in its work - not transportation), take Mi and Ka to the upper deck (without removing the blades, that is, it flew in - passed - flew its own way to Hmmim - 8 cars it’s easy, if you remove the blades, the question will be how much the motherland will order, you can take 20 cars, if you leave the 1 platform for take-off, and load the rest, but let the Ka-52 into the hangar), cargo, equipment, ammunition, trucks.

      And any DKVD will give more opportunities than it is now. Even the ultra-budget Makassar for 45 million dollars, and even the Philippines have already ordered them and are building in Peru.
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 16 May 2016 08: 27
        +4
        I mean that the main thing is not in the Mistrals, but in the plant, that it must work and build. Build in series. And it will be MRK, EM, DKVVD or BDK, it is decided by the customer - MO.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 16 May 2016 11: 29
        +3
        Quote: donavi49
        For example, the aforementioned Mistral could take both Raptors (KIL is engaged in its work - not transportation), take Mi and Ka to the upper deck (without removing the blades, that is, it flew in - passed - flew its own way to Hmmim - 8 cars it’s easy, if you remove the blades, the question will be how much the motherland will order, you can take 20 cars, if you leave the 1 platform for take-off, and load the rest, but let the Ka-52 into the hangar), cargo, equipment, ammunition, trucks.

        For this, a DVD is not required - all the same can be done on a cheaper DTRD (like the same "Whidbey Island" or "Harpers Ferry").

        And most importantly - why kill the resource by chasing landing ships back and forth, if the transportation goes on the port-port line? 95% of the cargo range in this case can be transported by roller skaters. And the remaining 5% is also possible - the same helicopters with unscrewed screws can be loaded with a crane onto the upper deck of one of the VTRs (most importantly, the blades must be securely fastened with guy ropes) and then removed from there by the same crane.
        1. adept666
          adept666 18 May 2016 08: 39
          +2
          And most importantly - why kill the resource by chasing landing ships back and forth, if the transport goes on the port-port line? 95% of the cargo range in this case can be transported by roller skaters.
          Then, that a civilian ship can be arrested / inspected. There is no military.
  9. Taygerus
    Taygerus 16 May 2016 07: 51
    +5
    I think this plant will be reanimated, such a unique production is extremely necessary for the national economy and the military-industrial complex of Russia, and there will certainly be large orders, I don’t know, but for some reason I’m sure of that.
    The engineers and workers of the plant should be given credit for the fact that they kept their plant and did not allow it to be completely plundered; these people deserve deep respect for their dedication to their work and their profession.
    Good luck to shipbuilders and large, greasy orders.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 12 June 2016 22: 05
      0
      For this, free funds are needed, otherwise there will be a "trishkin caftan". See how many shipyards there are: Baltic (no need to restore), "Zvezdochka", the same Zelenodolsk, Fetdosiysk "Sea" and I haven't remembered everything yet, but I have free funds. This was possible only in the Soviet Union, so that everyone worked in full
  10. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 16 May 2016 07: 59
    +4
    Thanks to the author for interesting material. Honestly, we know little about Crimea, it just so happened, but it's a pity. I believe that the plant will be revived and personnel will be restored, which means that the Russian fleet will also be replenished.
  11. Professor
    Professor 16 May 2016 08: 12
    +1
    This is about the Zaliv plant.

    "Zaliv" is a typical shipyard and has never been a factory.

    At the moment, at the shipyard in Kerch ...

    This is correct. It is at the "shipyard". hi
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 16 May 2016 18: 56
      +6
      Professor "Zaliv" is a typical shipyard and has never been a factory. "
      The Gulf Factory is the official name of the enterprise from Soviet times to the present day. And then the factories were called factories, and shipyards.)))
      From wiki
      "Dry dock: length - 360 m, width - 60 m, height - 13,2 m. The dock is equipped with two GOLIATH cranes with a lifting capacity of 320 tons each, which makes it possible to form blocks weighing more than 600 tons and five portal cranes with a lifting capacity of 80 t each, which provide the shipbuilding process.The dry dock allows for the simultaneous assembly of 4 ships (or 2 + 2 using the tendem method).
      Two horizontal slipways with a length of 400 m with cranes: two for 80 tons, three for 32 tons and four for 16 tons. Both lines have a common launching device - a transverse slip, which provides launching of ships weighing up to 2500 tons, where DWT ships can be assembled up to 10.000 tons with restrictions on the width of the vessel.
      The plant operates an automated line for pre-processing the rolling sheet and profile with the application of a preliminary protective layer.
      Metal cutting is carried out in an automated mode by plasma machines “Crystal” and “Garnet”.
      The case workshop is equipped with the TCC line (Norway) - the assembly and welding line of sections and blocks provides the production of 12 × 18 m panels weighing up to 100 tons, 18 × 24 m case blocks weighing up to 300 tons.
      In the workshops, press equipment with a capacity of 800 to 5000 tons and equipment for pipe welding and tube bending machines were installed.
      “The productive capacity of the hull-processing shop is 60 thousand tons of steel per year.
      The capacity of pipe-mounting production meets the requirements of the plant, and the capacity of the galvanic section is 70 thousand meters of total pipe length, or 1200 tons / year.
      The production capacity of the paint shop is 410 m000 per year.
      Completion of ships after launching is carried out at two deep-water berths equipped with crane equipment: two - 32 tons, one - 50 tons and one - 80 tons. The plant has outfitting shops for insulation and sheathing of pipes and hulls. "
  12. ava09
    ava09 16 May 2016 08: 40
    +3
    (c) By and large, the question of "Mistrals" would never have been raised if 5 years ago, when orders were taking place, there was such a shipyard as the Kerch plant "Zaliv". (c)
    The author seems to be confident in Medvedev's "virtue". Not everything is so simple, in political decisions, politics comes to the fore, and not the availability of shipbuilding capacities ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 May 2016 11: 54
      +2
      Quote: ava09
      (c) By and large, the question of "Mistrals" would never have been raised if 5 years ago, when orders were taking place, there was such a shipyard as the Kerch plant "Zaliv". (c)
      The author seems to be confident in Medvedev's "virtue". Not everything is so simple, in political decisions, politics comes to the fore, and not the availability of shipbuilding capacities ...

      Nevertheless, such a weight on the scales "building houses" would not be superfluous.
      Because the general director of the Nevsky Design Bureau in his interview said that:
      Earlier, our enterprise created a model of such a ship, which is slightly smaller in size than the Mistral. but it was not put into production due to the lack of construction sites.
  13. cap
    cap 16 May 2016 09: 11
    0
    "However, if we proceed from the principle" use what is at hand and do not look for something else for yourself ", then if we put in time and money, in Kerch we will be able to get a shipbuilding base for our country, if inferior to the Nikolaev plants, then only in the past victories and successes.
    But, unlike the Nikolaev shipbuilders, their Kerch colleagues have a perspective. And this perspective should be developed in every possible way and used with maximum efficiency. And then there will be no headaches about who and where will build a new Russian (say) aircraft carrier, helicopter carrier or BOD. "


    The article is undoubtedly good.
    As they say in Russia, "Your words are in the ears of God," but the phrase "However, if we proceed from the principle" use what is at hand and do not look for something else for yourself. "
    Returns to the proprietary expression "D ... B .." (c) am .
  14. godofwar6699
    godofwar6699 16 May 2016 09: 20
    +1
    I think that Russia needs something like these
    1. The Little Humpbacked Horse
      The Little Humpbacked Horse 16 May 2016 18: 52
      +4
      Quote: godofwar6699
      I think that Russia needs something like these


      It’s not clear where to get the money for these toys, what will happen to the pension system, and they don’t know what kind of tax to introduce to fill a hole in the budget. I think in the fall after the elections they will begin to tighten the screws, then there’s no reason for expensive ships
      1. godofwar6699
        godofwar6699 16 May 2016 19: 38
        +1
        Quote: Humpbacked Horse
        Quote: godofwar6699
        I think that Russia needs something like these


        It’s not clear where to get the money for these toys, what will happen to the pension system, and they don’t know what kind of tax to introduce to fill a hole in the budget. I think in the fall after the elections they will begin to tighten the screws, then there’s no reason for expensive ships

        yes it's not cheap USS America (LHA-6) Unit cost: $ 3,4 billion
  15. NordUral
    NordUral 16 May 2016 09: 48
    0
    One thing is important: the Russian ship should be built only in Russia and by our specialists. This is the only way for 100% to be insured against the repetition of dubious "mystral" epics.
    And to be 100% ours!
  16. Div Divich
    Div Divich 16 May 2016 11: 45
    +2
    We must take into account past mistakes of the country, and build the same shipyard in St. Petersburg.

    And do not forget that you need to build ships to fit your needs, and not copy any country.
    Stamp more patrol missile ships, landing for the transport of armored vehicles and ammunition.

    First of all, we need ships to protect our borders, and not portable airfields for flights near distant countries. Near their country, airplanes calmly fly from the shore ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 May 2016 12: 34
      +3
      Quote: Divan Divanych
      First of all, we need ships to protect our borders, and not portable airfields for flights near distant countries. Near their country, airplanes calmly fly from the shore ...

      Uh-huh ... calm. Look a little below the article - how "calmly" args flew from the coast at the Falklands. 10 minutes of duty in the zone, the rest is a flight to and from it.

      Our navel will simply break - to build and maintain a coastal airfield network of sufficient capacity to cover critical points of the coast from the calculation of repelling a 2-4 AUG strike. Especially in such "habitable" places as, say, the throat of the White Sea (to cover the forces defending the SSBN positional areas).

      Yes, AUG is more expensive than one coastal airfield. But on the other hand, this airfield with a strip, a radar, and all TECs can be dragged anywhere in the coast, quickly strengthening threatened directions (there is no need to build the entire network of coastal nuclear power plants). And the arrival time of reinforcements at the wing of a floating airfield is less - the strip is always nearby.
    2. spravochnik
      spravochnik 16 May 2016 22: 12
      0
      Quote: Sofa Divanich
      We must take into account past mistakes of the country, and build the same shipyard in St. Petersburg.

      In St. Petersburg, and so - spit, you get into the shipyard. Anyway, there are enough of them in the Baltic. We need plants in all pools.
  17. keinz
    keinz 16 May 2016 12: 00
    0
    why do we need helicopter carriers, can anyone explain? where do we have regional conflicts?
  18. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 16 May 2016 12: 18
    +4
    Another hitherto unknown and interesting detail: in the early 90s at the "Zaliv" them. Butomy Magnitka (MMK) was going to establish a production. HAP for the manufacture of 20 and 40 lb. containers. I had just retired from the fleet and came to PKO MMK as a leading designer and participated in the design of this line (project). True, then all this whistle dance with independence began and an excellent idea in general died by itself, but can it be revived? There would be a desire, especially since the world sea trade is only growing! Success to you, Crimean shipbuilders and good luck in business!
  19. Tektor
    Tektor 16 May 2016 12: 31
    +2
    I would like to quickly lay in the Gulf UDC "Avalanche" 24 thousand tons, with 6 landing vehicles, capable of taking 500 paratroopers with 50 units of armored vehicles, and all this - under the protection of 16 helicopters, 100 mm gun mount, three broadswords and two Shells.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 May 2016 12: 35
      0
      Quote: Tektor
      I would like to quickly lay in the Gulf UDC "Avalanche" 24 thousand tons, with 6 landing vehicles, capable of taking 500 paratroopers with 50 units of armored vehicles, and all this - under the protection of 16 helicopters, 100 mm gun mount, three broadswords and two Shells.

      First, let the plant be rebuilt and trained "on cats". And then we will get the next "Gren".
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 16 May 2016 20: 29
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        And then we will get the next "Gren".

        Gren was tormented not by the factory workers but by the military. Amber was quite capable of ships such as Gren.
      2. spravochnik
        spravochnik 16 May 2016 22: 18
        +1
        And then we will get the next "Gren".

        That you clung to it is not a plant problem, but a customer problem. In the old days, "Yantar" rented two "Petrel" a year. And the last orders are being built very quickly. Are there any complaints about the Admirals?
  20. cdznjckfd
    cdznjckfd 16 May 2016 13: 15
    +2
    In the days of the USSR, under any bursa there was a shipbuilding department, although in the 80s there were small contests for them. not popular, in my opinion it is necessary to start with the revival of education.
    1. Kotost
      Kotost 16 May 2016 16: 49
      +1
      We can’t start with education in any way, because no one will study for 4 years to go there where there are no prospects and more or less normal earnings. Consequently, this kind of issue needs to be approached comprehensively, to modernize plants, create benefits for specialists and, at the stage of training, to give a person a job with all the consequences. By the way, recently such measures have been taken. And when people stretch, then education will even out.
  21. yahont
    yahont 16 May 2016 16: 46
    0
    [i] But, unlike the Nikolaev shipbuilders, their Kerch colleagues have a prospect. And this prospect should be developed and used in every possible way with maximum efficiency. And then the head will not hurt who and where will build the new Russian (say) aircraft carrier, helicopter carrier or BOD.

    One point is important: a Russian ship should be built only in Russia and by our specialists. This is the only way to be 100% insured against repetition of dubious "mistral" epics.
    . [/ I]
    I completely agree with the author.
  22. ecologer
    ecologer 16 May 2016 16: 57
    +1
    Very close to the "Zaliv" (Kerch) there is also "More" (Feodosia), it has already begun to load orders. So Crimea is a good shipbuilding island.
  23. Valter1364
    Valter1364 16 May 2016 17: 33
    +3
    which was followed by a whole series of giants of the project 1511: "Kryvbas", "Kuban", "Caucasus", "Soviet oil", "Kuban". The displacement of the tankers was 180 thousand tons. They are still the largest ships built in the USSR. Well, in Russia, respectively.


    Kuzbass forgot! There are a total of 6 tankers in the series.

    He worked for a couple of years in the late 80s, early 90s at the Sovetskaya Neft commercial complex.
    All of them were steam engines and absorbed fuel oil not much less than they transported oil. smile
    Yes, and seafarers from them, none, because Engineered pitching dampers only strengthened it.
    So I had to constantly catch furniture, refrigerators, etc., torn from the bulkheads. during a storm.

    Here is what I found in my old records:

    Stories about ship masts

    The first is connected with the tanker "Soviet Oil". The famous series of tankers of 150 thous. Capacity built in Kerch. Heavy fuel oil steam engines. The mast on the superstructure of these tankers was hollow inside, and with horns. Yes, titanium antlers as elegant as a deer's! It was actually a HF antenna. And between the horns was a matching transformer. The silumin box is such an alloy. What d.o.r.a.k. I thought of using it for naval purposes, I don't know. Silumin in marine conditions, after a while turns into a white powder. For this reason, I dismantled it from the platform on the mast, and after restoration, naturally I decided to hoist it in its regular place. According to the safety regulations, I warned the officer in charge of the watch and the engineer about the upcoming work on the mast. Why mechanics? First of all, because if the machine starts to "ban", i.e. to release all sorts of nasty things from the chimney, and the wind will favor this, then the one on the mast will immediately come with a kirdik.
    I managed to install the transformer, and already opened the hatch for the descent into the inner shaft of the mast, as a vile watch mechanic breathed on me from a pipe. I only remember that I managed to breathe this stuff several times, went limp and flew down. I woke up after a few hours myself, below.
    He survived only by the fact that the mine was narrow and it was not possible to develop decent speed when it fell. Escaped with scratches, bruises, and abrasions. True, he coughed and spit blood for a month.

    smile
    1. The Little Humpbacked Horse
      The Little Humpbacked Horse 16 May 2016 20: 16
      +1
      Quote: Valter1364
      I only remember that I managed to breathe this stuff several times, went limp and flew down. I woke up after a few hours myself, below.
      He survived only by the fact that the mine was narrow and it was not possible to develop decent speed when it fell.


      Why climbed to a height without wearing a belt, that is, they themselves violated safety precautions, and substituted the higher authorities for the same
      1. Valter1364
        Valter1364 16 May 2016 21: 33
        +2
        Counter question, how can I go down the mast with a fastened safety belt? I unfastened it to start the descent into the mine.

        The fact that one could not work at height without insurance, yes! But at that time crews had already begun to reduce and finding a sailor free from shift or work was problematic. smile
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 12 June 2016 22: 19
      0
      True, the vessels of Project 1511 were impressive outwardly, but in kind .... The old sailor said: "for this x ... we need designers to the wall, and those who built on katarga for these ..."
  24. bibobo
    bibobo 16 May 2016 18: 20
    0
    Quote: KaPToC
    Apparently, shipbuilding should be developed precisely in the direction of creating or acquiring cranes of 1500–2000 tons of carrying capacity.

    And where to get such cranes? You can buy from the Chinese! We cannot produce such cranes yet
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 16 May 2016 19: 24
      +1
      We can’t learn.
  25. Utlan
    Utlan 16 May 2016 18: 31
    +1
    The dock of the plant is clearly visible in the photo, but something else is not visible ... namely, the slipway on which most orders were collected in less tanage, and this is almost 1 km per 200m platform equipped with a rail for hydraulic carts. The carts bring the ship to the slip and overload for descent, then the ship is gently sideways lowered into the water. Such ships as the "HUNTER" or "Buyan-M" project can be assembled 10 hulls at once without interfering with each other.
  26. mihasik
    mihasik 16 May 2016 19: 14
    +1
    I remember, I remember "The Bay"! Stood there in the dock for two months.
    Indeed a huge factory, but it was not one of the shipbuilding plants in Kerch, the largest one, yes, but not one, that's for sure, at least at that time (2000).
  27. Olegi1
    Olegi1 16 May 2016 22: 13
    +2
    "And this perspective should be developed in every possible way and used with maximum efficiency. And then there will be no headaches over who and where will build the new Russian (let's say) aircraft carrier."

    You cannot build an aircraft carrier in the Black Sea - Turkey will not pass through the Bosphorus. Kuzyu under the anti-submarine ship agreed to hold, who remembers. And so, yes, large-capacity civilian vessels are quite possible there. You don’t need to get hung up on the military commander, there’s more that the peak of orders 2016-2017 will pass, and you need to load specialists, most importantly, not to lose, as in the dashing 90s.
    1. Valter1364
      Valter1364 16 May 2016 22: 40
      0
      A lot of what we need to build! Here, for example, the passenger fleet! If relics built back in the middle of the last century somehow go along rivers, then there are none at all in the marine segment! Destroyed as a class.
  28. dtlmvfr11
    dtlmvfr11 17 May 2016 08: 31
    +1
    Good article.
  29. Evil 55
    Evil 55 17 May 2016 13: 00
    +1
    We forget that any Crimean plant is all-weather and all-weather ... And this means that having such a base for construction, any fleet can be built with less cost of finance and time ..
  30. Petrik66
    Petrik66 17 May 2016 14: 10
    +2
    Maybe, for a start, let's order at least some of the ships in China? The ships are needed here today, otherwise the Turks won't sell us the old tubs next time. And from China, in addition to the order, already order equipment for factories? And then - and "Mistrals we do not need" - in Syria, too, were not needed? and we ourselves will build - but what have we not built?
  31. Petrik66
    Petrik66 17 May 2016 14: 10
    +1
    Maybe, for a start, let's order at least some of the ships in China? The ships are needed here today, otherwise the Turks won't sell us the old tubs next time. And from China, in addition to the order, already order equipment for factories? And then - and "Mistrals we do not need" - in Syria, too, were not needed? and we ourselves will build - but what have we not built?
  32. msm
    msm 17 May 2016 15: 18
    0
    What they wrote on the site was introduced to the public - thanks for that! But, in general, in our reality, you need to write immediately the GDP - otherwise there will simply be a concussion and nothing more. The dock and factory are apparently good. Good luck to the factory!
  33. msm
    msm 17 May 2016 17: 39
    0
    What does it mean "Do I need ..." ?! It should be!
  34. lopvlad
    lopvlad 17 May 2016 19: 16
    +2
    a Russian ship should be built only in Russia and by our specialists.

    and exclusively from components manufactured in Russia, otherwise the situation, starting from engines and ending with trifles such as refusal to supply paint for painting ships, can happen again.
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  36. japs
    japs 17 May 2016 23: 10
    +4
    Using the experience of South Korea and only on their own, absolutely the right position! Build factories, revive a science school. 25 years have passed, how many have collapsed and about. The work and task is enormous. Still, the control and accounting is real.
  37. Backfire
    Backfire 18 May 2016 10: 27
    0
    It is excellent that such a plant appeared in Russia. Only it needs to be restored after the devastation.
  38. South Ural
    South Ural 18 May 2016 13: 44
    0
    The question is not the Mistralian epics, but the fact that our management is well aware of the capabilities of our plants (and if it does not know what kind of management it is?). It just seems to me that it was very necessary for the order to go to a foreign uncle - after all, money can then be officially transferred to him abroad, but taam ...
  39. Captain green
    Captain green 18 May 2016 14: 59
    0
    Quote: KudrevKN
    Sure. buddy, I'm out of my mind. Not in yours? How can I get yesterday's student to become a master of the 6th grade? How we were taught and forced and taught by experienced craftsmen! As a cadet of VVMIOLU in the factory practice, they forced us to polish the armor of the Aurora during the repair of the cruiser on the Balt. factory. A week later, "with Komsomol enthusiasm," factory "masters of the 6th category" gave such a head start in the skill of owning the "Volna" shoroshka that the hard workers almost beat us because of the breakdown in prices? We have 2-3 categories of students and 10 rubles. per shift, and they have the 6th - and 25 rubles? So buddy, you need to read and think more, not me! With regards to my biography and my 3 higher educations, then everyone would have to make a career and do so much for the country. besides a son, a house, a tree, we would all live in Switzerland or New Zealand! And so we live in ...

    Generally, the "Aurora" was repaired in the North. Shipyards
  40. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 18 May 2016 22: 24
    0
    Frigates and corvettes for the Black Sea Fleet can be built in the "Zaliv", and the "Avalanche" could have been laid there. Nothing, in a couple of years everything will be fine! Moscow was not built immediately. In the Far East, the capacities are not enough, there would be a good, new plant, or at least one of the existing ones, deeply modernized, come to an agreement with South Korea or China, if they themselves do not have enough strength.
  41. Vladlena
    Vladlena 21 October 2019 12: 43
    0
    I don’t understand at all when the bay is scolded. Let's remember that until 2014, before joining, there was a dead end city in general. Fortunately, there is already a bridge, kindergartens are being built, and roads are being repaired. Now they will launch the train in general, beauty will be.
    Now they pay well in the bay (70 thousand workers), there are no delays. Sotsu package full, honey commission. Great money and shift do not have to drive anywhere. Everything is near the house.
    And what orders are on the bay! I have never seen such light in my life! therefore, there are 100 people recruited per month! And ships and helicopter carriers - all for the Russian Ministry of Defense. and let's not forget that this is still a city-forming plant - and the only one who after 2014 again began to build houses for his employees. They’ve already handed over one house, they are building a second house. They plan to create a residential complex. So the prospects at the factory are huge!