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Turkey is an “old friend” of Russia

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Turkey is an “old friend” of Russia



24 November 2015 of the year on the Syrian-Turkish border was shot down by a front-line bomber Su-24M, performing a combat mission against Islamist militants. The F-16 rocket launched from the Turkish Air Force fighter destroyed not only the Russian plane, killing one of the crew members, but also Russian-Turkish relations, which in recent years seemed to have flourished and developed rapidly. Now the level of relations between the countries is close to pre-war, Russia imposed sanctions against the Turkish economy, many projects were frozen (for example, the construction of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline, the construction of the Akkuyu NPP). The project on rapprochement with Turkey, promoted by the leadership of Russia from the very moment of the collapse of the USSR, was destroyed overnight. The traditional confrontation has returned to the region. History repeats.

From a political point of view, there are two main questions: is there a real likelihood of war between Russia and Turkey and was there any significant military-technical cooperation between the countries, which is now, naturally, interrupted.

Turkey has never been one of the key countries for Russian arms exports

The history of Russian-Turkish military-technical cooperation began almost immediately after the collapse of the USSR. Already in 1993, Turkey began to receive Russian armored personnel carriers BTR-80 (174 units) and BTR-60 (23 units), and 19 military transport helicopters Mi-17 were also purchased. In addition, a number of small arms were delivered, four small auxiliary vessels fleet. The total amount of transactions was close to $ 200 million, but about half of this amount went into payment of Russia's public debt to Turkey.

In the future, there were many negotiations on the purchase and / or joint development of a wide variety of military equipment - from tanks to combat helicopters and missile systems. However, large-scale projects have not been implemented, rather for political reasons, rather than economic. A good example is the ATAK (attack and tactical reconnaissance helicopter) tender, the winner of which was to receive a contract for the licensed production of 145 reconnaissance and attack helicopters in Turkey. Russia put up for participation a specially created together with the Israelis modification of the Ka-50 attack helicopter - it was called the Ka-50-2 Erdogan. Its difference from the original was that the helicopter has now become double (the basic model is single), and the electronics has been updated. The main competitor for the Russian helicopter was the American Bell AN-1Z “Super Cobra”. Russia offered extremely favorable conditions, many discounts and preferences, as a result of which in 2003 Turkey had already planned to choose a Russian helicopter, but at the last moment, in 2004, after personnel shifts in the Turkish Ministry of Defense, the tender was canceled. After that, a new tender was announced, in which the most dubious option won in 2007 - the Italian Agusta A129 Mangusta. Now the Turkish modification of this helicopter is being made - T129. Apparently, the main reason for such a strange choice was the same policy - for many years, the Turkish leadership has been doing everything to “break through” into the EU.

A similar story happened with the tender for the purchase of long-range air defense systems T-LORAMIDS (Turkish Long Range Air And Missile Defense System) - it was attended by Lockheed and Raytheon with Patriot-PAC3 air defense systems, Rosoboronexport with S-300 air defense systems, a Chinese company CPMIEC (China Precision Machinery Import & Export Corp.) with the HQ-9 air defense system, which is an unlicensed copy of the Russian S-300, and the Franco-Italian consortium Eurosam with the SAMP-T air defense system. The tender has been held since 2007, and in 2013 the Chinese HQ-9 was announced the winner. However, in the end, the tender was canceled altogether - this time the Chinese, apparently, became an instrument of bargaining with Western suppliers: no one has yet purchased HQ-9 (despite its cheapness), and its declared performance characteristics corresponding to the Russian S-300PMU-2 are very doubtful.

Of the recent deals, Turkey’s purchase of a certain number of Kornet-E anti-tank missile systems is worth noting - apparently, they did not have time to deliver all 80 launchers before the current complete break of the PTS. In addition, there is information about contracts that have now been broken for the supply of a small number of small arms and artillery weapons, as well as components to the already existing equipment of Soviet and Russian production.

As for deliveries from Turkey to Russia, it is still less significant here. According to some sources, while Anatoly Serdyukov was the defense minister of the Russian Federation, purchases of Turkish optics for the periscopes of some Russian submarines began (despite the presence of domestic analogues). The termination of supply should not be a serious problem, given the rapid development of the industry in recent years.

It is also known that in Turkey were purchased some textile products for the Russian army, which were issued by suppliers for “made in Russia”. Resellers are not exactly hurt because of the shutdown of supplies - everything can be found in China or other Asian countries. Not to mention the fact that in line with rational import substitution, supplies of clothing uniforms of domestic production, rather than pseudo-domestic production, would be much more desirable for our market.

As a result, it can be stated with confidence that the military-technical cooperation of Russia and Turkey has never been so significant, and countries have nothing to lose in this area. The question of spare parts for servicing Russian equipment for the Turks will not be a problem either - they will most likely be purchased in a number of other countries, conducting closed deals.

A new Russian-Turkish war is unlikely, but Russia has prepared for it.

Over the past six months, there were two moments when the prospects for a direct military clash between Turkey and Russia seemed realistic enough: first, after the destruction of the Russian bomber, and then after a significant part of the Syrian-Turkish border was cleansed from pro-Turkish militants by the Kurdish militia and the Syrian government army. After Turkey began to lose all control over what was happening in Syria, shelling of the Kurdish self-defense forces by Turkish artillery began and signs of an impending invasion of the border areas of Syria began to appear (even some statements by officials with similar threats sounded). However, this approach of Turkey did not find understanding even among its Western allies - in fact, it was said openly that if, as a result of the Turkish invasion of Syria, there were clashes with Russia, then NATO would not interfere in the situation. In addition, a truce was soon signed between Assad and the “moderate” opposition, which made Turkey’s invasion insane.

Nevertheless, Russia made preparations for the negative scenario - the process began immediately after the loss of that very Su-24. First of all, the C-400 air defense system and modern radio-electronic warfare systems were deployed at the Khmeimim airbase in Syria, where the Russian HQs are based. The missile cruiser "Moscow" of the 1164 project, which later replaced the cruiser "Varyag" of the same project, was sent to the shores of Latakia. Both ships are equipped with air defense system C-300F. Later, a link of the most modern Russian Su-35С serial fighters was deployed to the airbase. After the main part of the Russian VKS was withdrawn from Syria, the Su-30CM and Su-35С fighters remained in place, like all ground defense forces. Moreover, even the operational-tactical missile system (OTRK) "Iskander-M" even appeared in Syria, the appearance of which there is clearly aimed at deterring Turkey from all sorts of adventures. Such forces are able to effectively resist the numerous Turkish Air Force, which has more than 200 American F-16 fighter jets.

Simultaneously with the increase on the Syrian-Turkish border, Russia also strengthened on the Armenian-Turkish border. Erebuni airbase near Yerevan received replenishment - Mi-24 attack helicopters and Mi-8 military transport helicopters, MiG-29 fighters underwent major repairs and partial modernization. At the 102nd base of the Russian Federation in the Caucasus, located in Gyumri, new means of communication, drones, modern equipment “Ratnik” and others are being actively introduced. The S-300V air defense systems there, along with the S-300PS air defense system as part of the Armenian armed forces (both countries already signed an agreement on a joint air defense system), can effectively deter Turkish Aviation and in that direction.

The number of personnel and military ground vehicles at the bases did not increase - apparently, due to the fact that the likelihood of direct conflict is quite small. The weak point of the Syrian grouping is, perhaps, only a fairly small ground cover - no more than 2500 people, with a rather limited amount of military equipment. On the other hand, the large Turkish army in any case will first have to break through the forces of the Kurds and Assad in the difficult situation of Lattakia - in a wooded and mountainous area with a limited number of any suitable roads. Therefore, the time for the adoption and implementation of decisions from the Russian military command will be.

“Hybrid” war - from Syria and Crimea to Nagorno-Karabakh

Nevertheless, the “hybrid” war with Turkey is underway - pro-Turkish militants in Syria are still fighting with government forces and with the Kurds, which Russia, as everyone knows, quite openly supports air strikes and supplies weapons.

In addition, Turkey is actively working with the small group of Crimean Tatars who are unhappy with the reunification of the Crimea with Russia. This is, for example, about the same “Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people”, which has now been relocated to Ukraine. There is information that Turkish instructors train among such individuals and terrorists. At the same time, the Turkish President actively communicates with his Ukrainian counterpart, and joint military exercises are already underway: the relations of the countries have greatly improved on the anti-Russian wave.

Within the framework of such a “hybrid” war, Ankara also used its closest ally, Azerbaijan, which unleashed unprofitable for Russia military actions against the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (it is supported by Armenia - probably the closest ally of the Russian Federation in the CSTO). Such an approach is intended to completely knock out any influence on Baku from Moscow - since the Russian Federation has military obligations to Armenia both under bilateral agreements (the 102-I base of the Russian Federation in Transcaucasia, according to the last agreement, should protect the interests of both Moscow and Yerevan), and within the CSTO bloc. However, at the same time, Azerbaijan is “a tasty morsel” for the majority of world players due to the availability of energy resources and access to the Caspian Sea, which is rich in offshore fields. That is why the last thing Moscow wants now is a full-scale war in the region and a change in the status quo, with the result that Azerbaijan is likely to finally go under the Turkish and western “wing”, which can lead to the actual construction of Russian gas pipelines and oil pipelines to Europe. The implementation of such projects was repeatedly stated, but the matter did not move beyond talk.
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  1. Amurets
    Amurets 15 May 2016 06: 10
    +26
    Such friends should be brought out by politatany (gray-mercury ointment from known insects). And there is nothing to curry up with Turkey until adequate people come to power in this country.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 15 May 2016 06: 26
      +14
      Quote: Amurets
      Such friends must be deduced by political

      And sprinkle dust on top, and if it moves, boil it with a shovel or shafts. Old folk recipe.
      1. Seren
        Seren 15 May 2016 07: 18
        +2
        .In the framework of such a “hybrid” war, Ankara also used its closest ally, Azerbaijan, which launched an absolutely unprofitable war for Russia against the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (it is supported by Armenia - probably Russia's closest CSTO ally). Such an approach is designed to completely wrest any influence on Baku from the hands of Moscow - since the Russian Federation has military obligations to Armenia both within the framework of bilateral agreements (the 102nd Russian base in the Caucasus, according to the latest treaty, should protect the interests of both Moscow and Yerevan), and within the framework of the CSTO bloc. .



        Nonsense. Baku is very wary of ambitions of Perdogan. The last round in Karabakh has nothing to do with Perdogan
        1. Bramb
          Bramb 15 May 2016 08: 54
          +13
          Quote: seren
          Nonsense. Baku is very wary of ambitions of Perdogan. The last round in Karabakh has nothing to do with Perdogan

          Oh how !!!
          And who went to Erdogan to receive a blessing on the attack of Karabakh?
          No, well, if you close one eye and knock out the other. then no one and the Turks have nothing to do with it. Yeah. Especially considering the story. What story, ask? ))))
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 15 May 2016 09: 19
          -2
          And indeed, since the article was written by an Armenian, some amendment must be introduced. I have nothing against the Armenians, and I fully understand why they relate to everything Turkish, well, let's say, biased, nevertheless, this bias is a fact that cannot be avoided. And, no matter what they say, the Azerbaijanis are not entirely Turks, although they are related both in language and culture, but still they are away from them than Ukrainians from Russians.
          1. popandopulo
            popandopulo 15 May 2016 18: 26
            +3
            Quote: Nagan
            Anyway, since the article was written by an Armenian, some amendment must be introduced

            Well, of course, if the authors had a staff member, an ES specialist or an airbillo, then no amendments should be made. laughing
        3. razmik72
          razmik72 15 May 2016 15: 40
          +3
          Quote: seren
          .In the framework of such a “hybrid” war, Ankara also used its closest ally, Azerbaijan, which launched an absolutely unprofitable war for Russia against the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (it is supported by Armenia - probably Russia's closest CSTO ally). Such an approach is designed to completely wrest any influence on Baku from the hands of Moscow - since the Russian Federation has military obligations to Armenia both within the framework of bilateral agreements (the 102nd Russian base in the Caucasus, according to the latest treaty, should protect the interests of both Moscow and Yerevan), and within the framework of the CSTO bloc. .



          Nonsense. Baku is very wary of ambitions of Perdogan. The last round in Karabakh has nothing to do with Perdogan

          You, an Israeli, write complete nonsense here, and with such a self-confident tone, as if you were sitting on the couch of Ilham Aliyev and listening to his conversation with your ministers. Yesterday, on another branch, you confessed your sympathy for Azerbaijan, but that the smell of oil is so obvious overshadowed the conscience of the Jews - this is the first time I come across this. It's not enough for you that you do business on blood, so you still act as Aliyev's advocates. It was enough to see Ilham kissing on the gums with Erdogan and how poor Erdogan, I am not kidding, it was the poor who tried to push aside from himself Aliyev, but Ilham did not stop and. climbed with his "French" kisses to the President of Turkey and all this action took place a few days before the start of the second Karabakh war.
      2. Comrade Schucher
        Comrade Schucher 15 May 2016 07: 24
        +19
        Quote: novobranets
        Old folk recipe.

        The centuries-old relations between Russia and Turkey have always been expressed in Turkey's claims and Russia's "generous" responses.
        Russia, as a supplier of crates - Turkey, as a "reliable" recipient of these same crabs.
        Received, enough for both those who received it, and for several more generations ...
        But time passes, and the received is lost, forgotten or deliberately hushed up ...
        And there comes a moment when the "sultans" in the next generation make a decision that their time has come to receive a legal dose of the next, so necessary for them, from Russia.
      3. Yura
        Yura 15 May 2016 07: 41
        +3
        Quote: novobranets
        Old folk recipe.

        "Sparrow" something has not been seen for a long time, he would have told about this recipe in more detail, he could describe more than a dozen effective use of a shovel for these purposes. I think he even knows the recipe for the virtuoso use of a shovel with an artistic whistle. By the way, many of those who registered a few years ago and wrote interesting and sparkling comments have heard little on the site lately, which is a pity. hi
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 15 May 2016 10: 34
          +7
          Ah, well, yes ... I remember how not long ago (and not two years had passed) how "P" called Turkey "an old and trusted" friend "of" Russia. " "Friend", yeah ...
          1. Lyton
            Lyton 15 May 2016 15: 55
            +4
            And China is a friend to us, like Turkey, before the first conflict.
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    2. lukke
      lukke 15 May 2016 11: 15
      +9
      And there is nothing to hobble with Turkey until adequate people come to power in this country.
      Well, yes, and ordinary Turks love us so sincerely ... Do not have illusions
  2. dckx
    dckx 15 May 2016 06: 14
    +13
    The article did not reveal anything new, just a generalization. Well, here is the phrase "In addition, Turkey is actively working" and similar ones have not quite the correct interpretation, since Turkey is just a tool that is "used" by the "American" doll "Eodogan. It is a pity for such countries, and I am very glad for the presence of a strong President in Russia.
    1. Yarik
      Yarik 15 May 2016 06: 49
      +7
      Streamlined delusional article, the fact that the Turkish military are fighting in Syria is not a secret for the whole world. And in the article about this in general, not a word. And everyone knows perfectly well why the Turks were too late to climb into Syria not because of 4 Su-35s, 8-12 Su-34s and lonely Moscow on Wednesday. sea, and because of the opportunity to get a nuclear cone.
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 15 May 2016 07: 45
        +1
        Quote: Yarik
        get a nuclear cone.

        Most likely so. Since the big shot is enough for everyone.
        1. Vyacheslav73
          Vyacheslav73 15 May 2016 08: 28
          0
          Or a lot of small ones, in the form of tactical nuclear weapons ... which is also enough to calm the Erdogans hi
        2. Winnie76
          Winnie76 15 May 2016 11: 17
          +1
          IMHO they would have grabbed without any bumps ...
      2. Talgat
        Talgat 15 May 2016 08: 42
        +4
        Quote: Yarik
        why the Turks were too late to climb into Syria not because of the 4 Su-35, 8-12 Su-34 and the lonely Moscow in Wednesday. sea, and because of the opportunity to get a nuclear cone.


        Moreover - here it is necessary to speak not even about the Turks - but about NATO and the West as a whole - they are behind the Saudis and bearded men and all the troubles in the region - we all know

        and they were afraid of further escalation of the conflict with the nuclear power - if Russia had not been there, but if Iran had been alone with Hezbollah, they would inevitably bombed Syria and then Iran. As well as Iraq and Libya and Serbs, etc.

        And Turkey alone will not drag out the conflict with the Russian Federation - even if the Russian Federation cannot engage its CSTO allies (since they are Turkic-speaking countries - secondly, they will be legally obliged to enter only upon invading the territory of the CSTO country - and Turkey cannot invade Russia for a number of reasons, and most likely the Turks have enough mind not to invade - not to give an occasion)

        That is to say, Turkey was frightened by nuclear weapons not quite right; this is NATO being held back by nuclear weapons. But Turkey knows that one nuclear weapon will not be used against it - one on one Russia does not need nuclear weapons against Turkey.

        And here's a phrase from the article: "... Armenia is probably the closest ally of the Russian Federation in the CSTO ..."

        We are all CSTO allies, but I think it’s not worth arranging disputes about who is closest and who is next.
        yes - there are problems - but they are in any alliance - the same NATO

        Yes - as long as the Americans rule, the ODKB cannot openly confront NATO. And often the leaders of the 3 leading republics play the role of "good and evil investigators" by distributing roles. And for example, Russia cannot send the CSTO to Syria or to Ukraine yet. Although such ideas were discussed.

        But each CSTO republic helps Russia and plays its important role - without which security in Eurasia is impossible
        Kazakhstan is not a poor country - it closes Russia from the south and replaces an entire military district - which Russia would inevitably have to contain - had it not been an ally between it and Central Asia. Kyrgyzstan supplements the KZ - continuing the territory of the CSTO influence further into the SA. Tajikistan is an advanced outpost - which cannot be turned in - otherwise Karaganda or Pavlodar will become an outpost

        In general, Belarus is at the forefront — that is, the real adversary is the west in the person of Europe. and Belarusians are standing face to face with them - and will take the first blow if God forbid that begins.

        Armenia also has its own role - representing in the Caucasus - is also important. It’s not worth dividing us into close and not close in general.
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 15 May 2016 14: 31
        +2
        Quote: Yarik
        And everyone knows perfectly well why the Turks were too late to climb into Syria not because of 4 Su-35s, 8-12 Su-34s and lonely Moscow on Wednesday. sea, and because of the opportunity to get a nuclear cone.

        Missed the capabilities of the Russian army? Ah, I’m sure that the Turks stopped just this:
        4 Su-35, 8-12 Su-34 and lonely-standing Moscow on Wednesday. sea
        and the 58th Army of the South-East Military District hovering from the Armenian border, the creation of a no-fly zone over Turkey, plus precision weapons, cruise missiles, Iskanders. In short, it would fly to the Turks from all sides! Ah, they just wouldn’t have anything to answer! Nuclear weapons in this situation are completely redundant.
        1. Lyton
          Lyton 15 May 2016 16: 05
          +1
          I thought the same thing about what kind of nuclear cones, this is the last argument that there’s nothing to fight without, their NATE friends made it clear to the Turks to stick in for them and they won’t start a war with Russia, so Perdogan and his friend Parashenka have to kiss on the gums, he will definitely support him in one place.
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  3. Thirteenth
    Thirteenth 15 May 2016 06: 18
    +10
    Turkey is an “old friend” of Russia


    Yeah, very old friends. I don’t remember the exact number of Russian-Turkish wars, but I remember that more than a dozen ...
    With such friends and enemies are not needed!
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 15 May 2016 07: 01
      +18
      I don’t remember the exact number of Russian-Turkish wars, but I remember that more than a dozen ...

      That rummaged in the tynet. It seems all are listed
      1. Damask
        Damask 15 May 2016 10: 47
        0
        But did Russia lose in 1853-56, everything is not so simple there, they gave it back and returned it, and to write that it lost this war is probably still wrong, or there are other thoughts
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 15 May 2016 12: 12
          0
          Quote: Damask
          But did Russia lose in 1853-56, everything is not so simple there, they gave it back and returned it, and to write that it lost this war is probably still wrong, or there are other thoughts

          There is! Who does not agree, justify. On the Baltic, the allies of Turkey did not fulfill the task. Here is the link. Http://www.randewy.ru/trad/baltica.html In Kamchatka, the Anglo-French squadron was defeated. Here is another link: http://www.randewy.ru/trad/kamchatka.html On the Black Sea: here the war went on with varying success. While we fought with some Turks: there were victories. When the Sardinian kingdom, England and France got involved in the war to help Turkey, the war didn’t benefit Russia. The overall outcome of the Black Sea war ended in a draw. The coalition did not fulfill its main task. I think the Black Sea war ended in a draw.
          1. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 15 May 2016 14: 55
            0
            Amur (2
            I think the Black Sea war ended in a draw.
            On February 13 (25), 1856, the Paris Congress began, and on March 18 (30), a peace treaty was signed.

            Russia returned the city of Kars with a fortress to the Ottomans, receiving in exchange Sevastopol, Balaklava and other Crimean cities seized from it.
            The Black Sea was declared neutral (that is, open to commercial and closed to military courts in peacetime), with the prohibition of Russia and the Ottoman Empire to have military fleets and arsenals there.
            Navigation along the Danube was declared free, for which the Russian borders were moved away from the river, and part of Russian Bessarabia with the mouth of the Danube was annexed to Moldova.
            Russia was deprived of the protectorate over Moldavia and Wallachia and the exclusive patronage of Russia over the Christian subjects of the Ottoman Empire, granted to it by the Kuchuk-Kainardzhiyskoy world 1774 year.
            Russia pledged not to erect fortifications on the Åland Islands.
            During the war, the participants in the anti-Russian coalition failed to achieve all their goals, but managed to prevent the strengthening of Russia in the Balkans and deprive it of the Black Sea Fleet for 15 years.
            For 15 years to deprive Russia of the Black Sea Fleet, wow a draw.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 15 May 2016 06: 20
    +10
    The Ottomans were never close friends of Russia. And there is a very big doubt that someday they will be.
  5. novobranets
    novobranets 15 May 2016 06: 22
    +11
    "How many times have they told the world ..." Turkey has not been, has not been, and will not eat laughing an ally of Russia. It's time to figure it out. A trading partner, perhaps someday, and then with caution. But the Turk should never be trusted in anything, history has confirmed this many times already.
  6. yuriy55
    yuriy55 15 May 2016 06: 29
    +8
    Somehow the word "friend" does not fit with Turkey. If memory serves, there are other words about a friend:
    If there is only one joy for all, but one trouble for all,
    The sea rises behind the wave wave, and behind his back - the back.
    Here at the very edge of the sides, a friend will cover each other,
    A friend is always ready to give up a boat seat and circle.

    A friend does not need to ask for anything, trouble is not terrible with him.
    A friend is my third shoulder, will always be with me ...

    Old friend? Rather, life-long friendship will be said ... what

    As for Turkey, and other "old friends" ... maybe I'm wrong, but they have grown so old that they have ceased to even be partners laughing Although, a partner is such an ambiguous name No. It probably presupposes such a relationship. when you need to "stand on the ground" yourself or put another in this position ... wink
  7. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 15 May 2016 06: 30
    +13
    What our bureaucrats lack is a common sense when choosing trading partners. Turkey is a NATO country, and we both Ka-50 and S-300 and "Cornets" ... Take it, we will give it back at a cheaper price. Let's study, look for weak points ... But what about our people? What would these hucksters sing now if the SU-24 had been shot down by our own S-300 ??? This is to shake the mind. Think, if you have something, no - trade in slippers!
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 15 May 2016 06: 36
      +6
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Think, if there is something, no - trade slippers!

      As always. As the brain thinks, the ass has already made a decision.
      1. dckx
        dckx 15 May 2016 07: 37
        0
        If NATO countries are ready to buy weapons from Russia only on the way !!! This is very beneficial for Russia in many ways.
        1. dckx
          dckx 15 May 2016 07: 42
          +1
          Let me add - Under Yeltsin (without delving into the details of the transaction), Russia sold the S-300 systems to the United States, the proceeds were most likely used in further research, but the United States did not receive the expected dividends .....
  8. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 15 May 2016 06: 38
    +3
    That is why the last thing Moscow wants right now is full-scale war in the region and the change of status quo,
    But from this point in more detail, I did not understand where we want war and why? Those. diplomacy "resting"?
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 15 May 2016 08: 00
      +1
      Quote: LÄRZ
      Those. diplomacy "resting"?

      Yes. Otherwise, our VKS would not be there. But a full-blown war is expensive for us (pointwise our fellows for any).
      1. LÄRZ
        LÄRZ 15 May 2016 08: 22
        +1
        Quote: Yuri Ya.
        But a full-blown war is unprofitable for us

        what Moscow wants now is a full-scale war in the region
        It is this message of this article that I wanted to criticize. And the work of our Aerospace Forces is in no way an element of a "full-scale war."
  9. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 15 May 2016 06: 39
    +9
    And the Kurds raged.

    Over the past two days, as a result of fierce battles in eastern Turkey, almost fifty soldiers of the Turkish army have died. This is reported by Hêzên Parastina Gel, the militant wing of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, which has been listed as a terrorist organization in the country. "In the battles in the Cukurja region and near the town of Yusekov, Hakkari province, 48 Turkish soldiers were killed," the partisans said.
    At the same time, they note that in their hands are the bodies of 15 Turkish troops, as well as a large number of personal weapons belonging to the dead soldiers. Losses of Turkish Kurds at the same time amounted to only two fighters.
    In addition, Turkey lost two pilots of the Kobra helicopter, which was shot down by the Kurds. The latter posted a video of the attack on a helicopter from a portable anti-aircraft missile system. After the crash at the General Staff of the Turkish army, they stated that a technical malfunction was the cause of the crash of the car.
    According to the Turkish armed forces, six soldiers were killed in battles with Kurdish militias.
    1. godofwar6699
      godofwar6699 15 May 2016 06: 46
      +8
      great shot
      1. Seren
        Seren 15 May 2016 07: 20
        +23
        You can endlessly look at these frames. Imperial Perdogan managed to ruin Turkey’s relations with all its neighbors, therefore we in Israel are sincerely glad of any Turkish trouble
        1. CORNET
          CORNET 15 May 2016 08: 07
          +9
          Quote: seren
          You can endlessly look at these frames. Imperial Perdogan managed to ruin Turkey’s relations with all its neighbors, therefore we in Israel are sincerely glad of any Turkish trouble

          My plus is sincere to you ..! You rarely read this from your comrades from Israel. hi
          1. Seren
            Seren 15 May 2016 08: 12
            +1
            Thank you for the plus, but you will not find an Israeli who would have a positive attitude towards Turkey, and as you know, this is long before the story of the downed SU
            1. Bramb
              Bramb 15 May 2016 09: 08
              0
              Quote: seren
              Thank you for the plus, but you will not find an Israeli who would have a positive attitude towards Turkey, and as you know, this is long before the story of the downed SU

              Now you are sucking: your enemy is our enemy, and yesterday, the day before, today, quietly deciding your business at our expense. Why don't you give out those who stole our money? And there are many billions of our money !!!
              You, a citizen with a star, first return our stolen money, and then lick, snake underwater!
              We know you, another thing. Just blink - a Jew is already sleeping * something.
              1. Stavros
                Stavros 15 May 2016 10: 02
                +2
                This Jewish comrade, imagines himself a herald of the Jewish people. Yesterday, on behalf of all the Jews, he wrote in support of the Cavtars, and today it is already related to Turkey.
        2. guzik007
          guzik007 15 May 2016 19: 19
          0
          Imperial Perdogan managed to ruin Turkey’s relations with all its neighbors,
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          I also know one country that is expanding .. with all its neighbors ...

          Uh, wait a minus! I mean North Korea! And who did you think of?
    2. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 15 May 2016 07: 11
      +4
      After the crash at the General Staff of the Turkish army, they stated that a technical malfunction was the cause of the crash of the car.

      And we all know this "technical" malfunction - Igla MANPADS.
      Whom do the Turks want to deceive ???????
  10. Prisoner
    Prisoner 15 May 2016 06: 49
    +3
    Such friends for the bacon and the museum ... anatomical.
  11. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 15 May 2016 06: 58
    +9
    As Turkey has been an enemy of Russia from time immemorial, it will only correct the hunchbacked grave. But do not forget the Janissaries, those that Russia always has Suvorov to give you a kick.
  12. Sasha75
    Sasha75 15 May 2016 07: 01
    +1
    Yes, we are still sponsoring for the sake of interest, I walked around the clothing markets of Turkish jeans full of other things and the prices of Turkish fakes are one and a half times more expensive than the original is ridiculous, but it is. We are buying ARCO products, and this is Turkey, which I just noticed with a cursory glance.
  13. PKK
    PKK 15 May 2016 07: 02
    +3
    Turkey has something to sulk at us. Crimea and the Don lands, and in the old days, were Turkish. And recaptured from her by Cossacks, Peter the first and others. In addition, Erdogan brings down the price of oil by trading to the Americans. Stolen in Syria. So, that is friends it will not work with Turkey, and attempts to make friends with it look naive.
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 15 May 2016 07: 15
      +1
      Quote: PKK
      Turkey has something to sulk at us. Crimea and the Don lands and beyond were old Turkish.

      On the offended ... Let them pout with the Poles and other husks. The main thing is not to twitch.
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 15 May 2016 08: 34
        0
        Quote: PKK
        trying to make friends with her looks naive.

        Well, maybe you're right (I think so myself). But they were given the opportunity to live in peace, everyone should have a choice. Our Russian offers are not great either. Whoever is not for us is against us, so far this has saved. Otherwise, we will not survive, it is just that they lead to a common denominator for us (everyone, there is a person for the country). I consider even we have multiculturalism more than in Europe (historically). Therefore, the Russian Empire.
        1. Yuri Y.
          Yuri Y. 15 May 2016 09: 10
          0
          Quote: Yuri Ya.
          everyone, there is a person for the country

          I wrote and then thought, it seems, and not quite like that. You cannot formulate one phrase.
    2. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 15 May 2016 08: 28
      +1
      Quote: PKK
      So, to be friends with Turkey will not work

      Their friends in the ravine eat up the horse.
  14. cap
    cap 15 May 2016 07: 32
    +11
    As an illustration for this article.
    The old picture in a new way. History repeats itself.
  15. Sergerius
    Sergerius 15 May 2016 07: 33
    +10
    Still, we would take our tourists away from their resorts, potential hostages for whom we have to harness.
  16. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 15 May 2016 07: 54
    +2
    God save me from such friends, but I can handle the enemies myself.
    1. garnik64
      garnik64 16 May 2016 01: 16
      0
      RuslanNN

      What happened? Turks are no longer brothers Azerbaijanis?
  17. PValery53
    PValery53 15 May 2016 08: 26
    +3
    No matter how the Turks rubbed their trust in us with their business and resorts, the enemy's gut still got out: they shot down our plane. Or did they want to show "who is the boss" in Syria? - And what happened? - Multi-billion dollar losses and failure across the board. It was in vain that Pyrdogan imagined himself in vain.
  18. loginovich
    loginovich 15 May 2016 08: 37
    +1
    Normal states do not have permanent friends or enemies; they have only permanent interests.
    1. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 15 May 2016 09: 11
      +3
      Quote: loginovich
      Normal states do not have permanent friends or enemies; they have only permanent interests.

      Okay. Suppose that you are a "virtual Turk" (I emphasize "virtual"). You have a "virtual scale" in your head. On one side of the scales is the downed SU-24 with all the consequences, on the other, there are constant interests. What scale outweighs, taking into account subsequent events, at least 2-3 steps forward?
    2. garnik64
      garnik64 16 May 2016 01: 29
      0
      A strong state does not change either enemies or friends. It does not need to betray friends and cuddle with enemies. Otherwise, there will be no friends, and the former enemy will not be a friend. And you can defend permanent interests with friends.
  19. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 May 2016 08: 53
    +1
    So the tourist did not go to Turkey. Travel agencies that just do not offer. And departures through Belarus, and discounts ... now Egypt will open, the Turks will generally have nothing to catch.
  20. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 May 2016 09: 07
    +3
    Quote: seren
    The last round in Karabakh has nothing to do with Perdogan

    I do not agree. Has and still has. The Turkish special services, which are actively conducting their activities, have long and firmly entrenched in Azerbaijan. First of all, it was advantageous for Turkey to defrost the Karabakh conflict.
  21. Aleksander
    Aleksander 15 May 2016 09: 10
    +3
    From a political point of view, two main questions arise: is there a real likelihood of a war between Russia and Turkey and whether military-technical cooperation between the countries was significant


    The third and, in my opinion, the main question arises: how could it be so short-sighted to develop such close relations with the eternal and implacable enemy of Turkey? And this instead of at least trying to save the allies in the form of the same Bulgaria and Yugoslavia, with which ALL economic and military ties were interrupted? After all, these are not Psheks and not the Baltic states, and you could try to leave them in your orbit, and not look for allies among the enemies of the always
  22. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 May 2016 09: 12
    +4
    So what? Normal article.
    Turks certainly hit, as well as Ukrainians.
    Bought on American promises, and now they are raking a full spoon.
    Actually, you can point your finger at them and say supervisingly, "This is what happens to those who are led by the promises of the Americans."
  23. Evil 55
    Evil 55 15 May 2016 10: 06
    +3
    Until Russia makes RESPECT and AFRAID, each regional dog will try to bite her more heel ...
  24. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 16 May 2016 07: 30
    0
    Quote: garnik64
    RuslanNN

    What happened? Turks are no longer brothers Azerbaijanis?

    Ask the Azerbaijanis.