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Karabakh rift is eternal

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Karabakh rift is eternal



The April "mini-war" in Karabakh was both unexpected and very expected. It is very expected because so far no one has been able to specifically, without political demagogy, explain how to solve this conflict in a peaceful way. However, since the intense hostilities ceased 22 a year ago, their resumption itself is unexpected.

BETTING ON MILITARY EXCELLENCE

Having suffered a heavy defeat in the 1992-1994 war, Azerbaijan made very significant efforts to achieve military superiority over the enemy. He largely succeeded, as evidenced by the current balance of forces between the parties. At the same time, however, it is necessary to point out that if the composition of the armed forces of Armenia and Azerbaijan is very well known, then the composition of the Armed Forces of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR) is estimated, although it was they who opposed 2 – 5 on April 2016.

On April 1 of this year Azerbaijani ground forces had 100 main tanks T-90 and 379 main T-72 tanks of various modifications, as well as 98 old T-55s, some of which are withdrawn from the Armed Forces and, possibly, will be converted into heavy infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) on the model of the Israeli "Ahzarit". The Armed Forces of Armenia comprise 137 T-72 main tanks and eight T-55, as part of the NKR Armed Forces - approximately 140 T-72 main tanks and 34 T-55 tanks. Obviously, Azerbaijan’s very significant superiority, both quantitative and qualitative.

At the end of April, the only T-90 arrived in Armenia from Russia, won by the team of this country in tank biathlon competitions back in 2014, but of course, he did not change the balance of power.

For infantry combat vehicles and airborne assault vehicles (BMD) also ahead of Azerbaijan, although not so significantly. Its Armed Forces has BMD 20-1, 21-BRM 1K, BMP-63 1, 186-2 BMP and BMP-101 3, while in the Armed Forces of Armenia - BMD-10 1, 12-BRM 1K, BMP-167 1 and 5 BMP-2. In turn, in the NKR Armed Forces, on that date, there were supposedly five BRM-1K, 80 BMP-1 and 153 BMP-2. By the number of armored personnel carriers (BTR) and armored cars, the superiority of Azerbaijan is also quite significant. He is armed with three Ukrainian BTR-3Us (Azerbaijan declined to make further purchases), sn, BNR-40, 60 BTR-239, 70 BTR-33, 80 BTR-70, 80 BTR-D, XNXXXXX, XNXX BTR-11, 55 BTR-85, 35 BTR-393, 152 BTR-19 "Marauder" (produced under license in Azerbaijan itself), as well as at least 60 Turkish Cobra combat vehicles and 54 MTLB. Armenia has six BTR-70, 114 BTR-80, 40 BTR-70, XNUMX BTR-XNUMX and up to XNUMX MTLB, and the NKR army has only nine BTR-XNUMX.

On both sides, a significant part of the said infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers are not in the armed forces, but in service with the internal or border troops, but this will not prevent them from fighting.

Also in front of Azerbaijan is artillery. It has a 150 OXYST mm) and 25 2C9 (mm 18). The armed forces of Armenia are armed with 2 self-propelled artillery 31С120 and 66 2С1, while the NKR army has approximately 122 self-propelled guns of the 16СXNNXX types. Towed Guns land forces of Azerbaijan - 2 D-3 (18 mm) 2 M-19 (152 mm) 2000 155A15 and 2 D-7 (203 mm), while the Armenian army has 10 D-2 (1 mm) 28 2А3, 12 D-2 and two D-1 (mm 2). In turn, NKR has up to 3 guns M-255 and D-30 (122 mm), 36 D-46, as well as approximately 130 D-16 and 2А36 (24 mm).

Azerbaijan has more than 600 mortars - 400 2B14 (82 mm), 107 PM-38, 85 M-43, and 10 Israeli CARDOM (120 mm). Armenia has about 80 mortars of the 120 caliber mm (19 PM38, up to 62 M-43), and the number of mortars of the NKR army is unknown.

Azerbaijan pays great attention to the development of rocket artillery. He has 44 Soviet MLRS BM-21 and 20 Turkish T-122 (122 mm), 30 Smerch systems (300 mm), 30 Turkish T-107 (107 mm) and 20 TR-300 (302 mm), and also 18 Russian flamethrower systems TOC-1A (220 mm) and six Israeli multi-caliber MLRS "Lynx". Armenia can counter this with the entire 47 BM-21 and four Chinese WM-80 (273 mm), whereas the NKR has only about 24 BM-21.

The anti-tank weapons of Azerbaijan’s ground forces include 10 Ukrainian Skif anti-tank missile systems (ATGM), Russian Cornet 100, Malyutka Soviet 150, Fagot 100, Metiz 20. There are also anti-tank guns - 10 D-72 (44 mm) and MT-85 (12 mm). The Armenian Armed Forces have up to 100 ATTM “Malyutka”, 20 “Fagot”, 12 “Competition”, 10 self-propelled ATGM “Sturm-S”, and also 27 anti-tank gun - 71 guns D-35 of 44 mm and XNNXN-85 36 anti-tank gun and 12 anti-tank gun. 100 caliber 2 mm. The NKR Army has at least six self-propelled Sturm-S anti-tank systems and as many BRDM-XNUMX with Konkurs anti-tank systems, the number of portable anti-tank systems is unknown.

The military air defense system of Azerbaijan includes three divisions of Buk-М1 anti-aircraft missile systems (ZRK) and Belarusian Buk-MB (18 launchers), one division of the Israeli Zarab Barak-8 (9 launchers), one division in the 27 launchers of the outdated Soviet Krug air defense system, 150 short-range anti-aircraft missile systems (80 complexes of the Osa type, eight Belarusian-Ukrainian Tetrahedron complexes, and 54 of the Strela-10 complex and eight Tor-M1 systems), 300 Man-Portable Air Defense Systems (MANPADS) Igla and 18 MANPADS Strela-3, 40 anti-aircraft gun mounts ZSU-23-4 Shilka. There are from six to nine Osa air defense systems, Strela-48 complexes, Strela-10 30 complexes, and Strela-1 portable 200 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2, 90, in Armenian air defense. anti-aircraft installations "Shilka". The NKR army is armed with at least six “Osa” air defense missile systems, several Strela-48 complexes, and at least six Shilka ZSUs.

Thus, on land, practically in all classes of technology, Azerbaijan has a significant quantitative, and often qualitative, superiority over Armenia and the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. In the air, this superiority is even greater.

AIRPOWER OF OPPONENTS



The Azerbaijani military has several divisions of the Buk-M1 and Buk-MB complexes. Photo from www.mod.gov.az

Fighter aviation The Azerbaijani Armed Forces include 15 MiG-29 aircraft (including two combat training aircraft) and six modernized MiG-25PD fighter interceptors. There are also up to 22 MiG-25 aircraft and up to five MiG-21s in storage, but their return to service is hardly possible. However, formally combat-ready MiG-25PDs are also not very suitable for the conditions of the Karabakh theater, because in the Soviet Union these aircraft were created for completely different tasks. Armenia can oppose this with the only MiG-25, the combat effectiveness of which is extremely doubtful. in this component, the superiority of Azerbaijan is absolute.

The strike aircraft of Azerbaijan on April 1 of this year. included X-NUMX attack aircraft Su-33 (including four combat training), X-NUMX Mi-25 helicopters (of which at least eight were upgraded in South Africa by the Mi-27G version) and 24 newest Mi-24 helicopters. There were five Su-24 bombers and Su-35 attack aircraft in storage, but apparently they were completely inefficient. In the Armenian Air Force, on the same date, there were 24 attack aircraft Su-17 (including two combat trainers) and 15 Mi-25 helicopters, and in service with the NKR Air Force there were two attack aircraft Su-12 and three Mi-24 helicopters. Thus, here the superiority of Azerbaijan is very great.

It should also be added that the Air Force of Azerbaijan also has four reconnaissance aircraft MiG-25РБ, two IL-76 transport aircraft (another aircraft is in storage), up to 23 training aircraft L-39, about 100 multi-purpose and transport helicopters (up to 82 helicopters Mi-17 and Mi-8, seven Mi-2, as well as six Ka-27 and Ka-32). The air force of Armenia, in turn, has approximately 10 transport aircraft (three IL-76, from three to six AN-2 and, possibly, one AN-24 and AN-32), approximately 20 training aircraft (six L- 39, 10-14 Yak-52, one Yak-55, up to five Yak-18T), as well as the order of 20-30 multi-purpose helicopters (11-20 Mi-8 / 17 and eight or nine Mi-2). Another five Mi-8 helicopters are in the NKR Air Force.

The ground defense of Azerbaijan includes two divisions of anti-aircraft missile systems (ZRS) C-300PMU2 (16 launchers), one division of ZRS C-200 (four launchers), 13-14 divisions S-CNXX (up to 125 launchers). The ground defense of Armenia includes three C-54PT (300 launchers) and two C-36PS divisions (300 launchers), one C-24 air defense missile system (six launchers), five C-75 battalions (125 launchers), as well as three “Circle” SAMs (20 launchers). The NKR air defense system presumably has at least one ZNS C-27PS and “Kub” air defense missile systems, as well as five or six Krug air defense systems (300-15 launchers). It is likely that a significant part of the C-18, C-75 and “Circle” air defense missile systems of Armenia was transferred to the NKR air defense system.

It makes no sense to describe the naval forces of Azerbaijan, since they cannot take part in the war over Karabakh for reasons of a geographical nature.

EVERYONE CONSIDERS HIMSELF


It is traditionally difficult to discuss the results of the April mini-war, since each of the parties, as usual, talks about the absolute magnificence of its troops and the total insignificance of the enemy troops. But the truth lying in the middle is still to be learned.

A very important criterion of success and failure of the parties are, of course, the loss. At the same time, each side reports the losses of the enemy, guided by the well-known Suvorov principle of “write more, why, adversaries, feel sorry for them!” Accordingly, the losses should be judged according to those who suffered them, as well as by objective evidence (photo and video) .

There is one well-known domestic site, which began its activities with fixing losses in technology during the war in Donbass, but then covered other current conflicts. According to his data, compiled on the basis of photo and video information, the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan lost one Mi-24G helicopter and four Israeli-made drones in the April war, while the NKR Armed forces lost six T-72 tanks and two X-55 drones created in Armenia . Interestingly, the parties themselves acknowledged even their own great losses. Azerbaijan, in addition to the helicopter, recognized the loss of one tank (obviously, it was a T-72). Thus, the Sun of this country has 378 T-72 and 26 Mi-24 (including at least seven Mi-24G). Karabakh recognized the loss of 14 tanks (apparently all of them are T-72), respectively, he has about 126 tanks of this type left. Other information about the losses of the parties in the technique is not objectively confirmed. The losses of people killed according to their own data are 37 people from Azerbaijan (including six civilians) and 92 from NKR (including four civilians), although according to other Azerbaijani data only the military lost this country to 93 people.

High losses of the NKR Armed Forces in tanks attract attention. If you do not take into account the extremely outdated T-55, then it turns out that Karabakh lost 10% of the tank fleet in four days! Or 5%, if we sum up the armed forces of NKR and Armenia. At the same time, judging by the available data, most of these losses fell on unmanned aerial vehicles - the Kharop Israeli-made ammunition patrols operating in the kamikaze style - they destroyed Armenian tanks right in their shelters. For the Armenian side, this is a very loud wake-up call. In general, the dismissal of several Armenian generals after the war confirms that in Yerevan and Stepanakert they are not very happy with these results.

At the same time, however, despite the suddenness, quantitative and qualitative superiority in technology, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, even on the first day of the April war, achieved extremely insignificant successes, and over the next three days they were almost completely lost as a result of the Armenian counterstrike. Apparently, ultimately, the Azerbaijanis "bit off" an extremely insignificant territory from the Armenians. Baku’s plans were obviously incomparable with the result achieved in reality. However, the reconnaissance in force in Azerbaijan turned out, but for her a negative result is also a result. Compared to the 1992-94 war, Azerbaijanis are very much technically advanced, which threatens the Armenians with serious problems in the future. However, in the field of command and control, as well as in combat and moral and psychological training of personnel, the superiority, apparently, is confidently preserved by the Armenians, in this regard, for almost a quarter of a century, nothing has changed. At the moment, this fully compensates for the technical superiority of Azerbaijanis, which, however, does not mean that this situation will last forever. But today, although both of them consider Karabakh their land, the desire of Armenians to defend it is stronger than the desire of Azerbaijanis to return it.

SETTLEMENT PROBLEM


In military and moral-psychological preparation, the troops of Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh surpass their counterparts. Reuters Photos

It should be especially emphasized that the fact that both parties consider Karabakh their land makes a peaceful settlement of the conflict objectively impossible. Russian statements that the conflict “does not have a military solution” very much resemble demagogy, and Western political correctness bleating about the “need to restore trust between the parties” is so stupid that it does not even deserve comments. The mutual hatred of Armenians and Azerbaijanis is not something that does not decrease, but even grows. And this is a very real "people's" hatred. And it is absolutely impossible to understand what a compromise looks like.

Karabakh is not going to return to the structure of Azerbaijan even with the rights of the widest possible autonomy, despite the fact that Baku is absolutely not going to give it such. The return by the Armenians of the actual Azerbaijani regions surrounding NKR, which is often regarded as a possible intermediate compromise, would instantly transform the strategic position of Karabakh from the present very strong and stable to hopelessly catastrophic, even if the Armenians of the Lachin corridor remain. Accordingly, the Armenian side can go on such a return only if there is an unequivocal legal recognition of the independence of the NKR, but Baku will not even consider such a possibility. The return of Azerbaijani refugees to Karabakh and their residence there is possible only under the protection of Azerbaijani troops, which Stepanakert will not agree to, as it is easy to guess. Talking about solving the Karabakh problem within the framework of “international law” didn’t make sense before, and the Kosovo precedent simply “destroyed” this “right” (at least with reference to the problem of unrecognized states, which include, in particular, NKR ).

Thus, the only option for a peaceful solution is the voluntary unconditional surrender of one of the parties. At the moment, neither Armenians nor Azerbaijanis are absolutely not going to capitulate, and why should they? And the current status quo suits everyone except Azerbaijan, because the status quo has fixed its defeat. Since it is absolutely impossible to change the status quo by peaceful means, and no one is going to do this, Baku wants to break it by military means, for which it buys the latest equipment in large quantities in Russia, Israel and Turkey. The only question is when the Azeris decide that they have achieved not only over the NKR, but over the sum of the NKR and Armenian armed forces of decisive superiority, ensuring the hacking of the Armenian defense and the full return of all their lost territories.

As the April events showed, Azerbaijan is still very far from such a decisive superiority. Why, then, decided to fight in Baku? Perhaps the Azerbaijani leadership simply misjudged the situation. Or they deliberately conducted reconnaissance by force, but didn’t count the flag over Stepanakert. However, it is very likely that Baku was prompted by its main strategic ally, Ankara. Erdogan decided to respond to Moscow symmetrically: she created very big problems for him in Syria, he decided to create problems for her in the Caucasus. And I must say, in many ways he succeeded. Yes, and could not fail, because Moscow is largely a substitute for these problems itself. Russia did not suffer any military or economic damage from the April war, but the political damage is obvious.

UNFINISHABLE DILEMMA


It can be long and interesting to argue with whom it is objectively more profitable for Moscow to be friends with - with Yerevan or Baku, or we must ignore the fact of the irreconcilable Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict and try to maintain neutrality. In fact, however, it turned out that Armenia is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), supporting Russia on almost all key international issues. Azerbaijan is not a member of any pro-Russian organization in the post-Soviet space, it has never entered its foreign policy with Moscow, focusing primarily on ethnically related Ankara. For example, in March 2014, on the most important for us Crimean issue, Armenia voted in the UN General Assembly together with Russia, and Azerbaijan - against Russia. Ie. Yerevan is a legal and de facto ally of Moscow, but Baku is not. As far as Moscow’s objectively good or bad, the author of this article is not ready to answer, he only states the fact. Another fact is that allied obligations must be fulfilled. In the past eight years, using examples from Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Crimea, Syria, Russia has shown that it is a very strong and reliable ally, while NATO, using the same examples, showed that friendship with it is suicidal. NATO is not really involved in the Karabakh conflict, but Russia has got the first serious “program failure”.

As mentioned above, in recent years, Azerbaijan has purchased a huge amount of modern military equipment in Russia, Turkey and Israel. The most weapons Azerbaijan bought from Russia, moreover, offensive systems, which were obviously intended not for parades in the center of Baku, but for breaking into Armenian fortifications in Karabakh. In order to understand this, you do not even need to be a diplomat or a military man. Thus, Moscow deliberately sold weapons to Azerbaijan for war against its CSTO ally. From a commercial point of view, it was a very good deal, but from a political point of view, to say the least, dubious. The argument “from whether we will not sell - we will sell others”, sounding from Moscow on this occasion, is even more dubious, if not stronger and rougher, in this case. In addition, the "other" of some things can not sell. For example, there is simply no one in the world who has analogs of the most powerful TOC-1A system, namely, it can cause very great damage to the Karabakh troops at the front line. It is completely incomprehensible where Azerbaijan could find an analogue of T-90. So the argument about "others" is not only extremely cynical, but also does not correspond to reality.

Apparently, realizing all this, the Kremlin made significant efforts to cease fire and restore the status quo in Karabakh. The trouble is that, as mentioned above, it is forever impossible, and Moscow does not have a magic recipe for a “peaceful resolution of the conflict”, because it does not exist at all. In addition, Yerevan is now quite openly “put in a pose” and it can be understood, since Moscow’s attempt to take a markedly neutral position in the light of the existence of the CSTO looks somewhat strange. By the way, Moscow still wants to see in the CSTO an analogue of virtual NATO - a powerful cohesive military bloc. Now we can say for sure that we have an analogue of real NATO - a bubble in which no one is going to protect anyone.

However, even before the April war, Russia announced the supply of weapons, including the same flame-throwing systems TOC-1A and Smerch multiple rocket launchers, to Armenia. And on credit (we sold equipment to Azerbaijan for the full price). To a certain extent, this will restore the balance of power in the conflict zone. And it will be much better to support the status quo than all diplomatic efforts, especially since the fall in oil and gas prices has dealt a serious blow to the Azerbaijani military budget. As mentioned above, even the current, very significant military superiority of Azerbaijan does not provide him with a victory at all. If this superiority is reduced, Baku’s decision on a military operation against the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic will move to an uncertain future.

In a sense, it now turns out that with Azerbaijani money we will supply weapons to Armenia (although, of course, all this is not so literally). Perhaps this fact will somewhat soften the Armenian grievance against Moscow, under which, admittedly, there are grounds.
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  1. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 14 May 2016 05: 52 New
    +3
    National conflicts are the most intractable ... local elites / authorities are simply hostages of the national policies of their states and therefore are unlikely to be able to rise above the situation and impartially assess the situation ...
    Nagorno-Karabakh ... in fact, the territory of Armenia was cut by the will of fate during the formation of the Caucasian Soviet republics in the Soviet of Azerbaijan ... Nakhchivan is the territory of Azerbaijan cut off from it ... The problem needs to be addressed comprehensively ... there are simply no ready-made recipes ... there is only a vision compromise (a non-repayable corridor to Nakhichevan and the return of Karabakh strictly within the borders of Armenia) ... or just freezing the conflict for a future resolution (I have little faith ... the memory of peoples for millennia) ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 May 2016 07: 28 New
      21
      All you need to know about the author of the article!
      On August 7 of 2008, the day before the outbreak of war in South Ossetia, Alexander Khramchikhin stated that he excludes the scenario of an armed conflict:

      There will be no Georgian offensive, this is absolutely ruled out. ... There will be no war in any case. Apparently, the goal of Georgia is to destabilize the situation in South Ossetia so that as many people as possible run away from there to Russia. This is done in order to weaken the republic militarily, economically and psychologically.

      http://regnum.ru/news/1037955.html

      These pseudo-experts of parasites divorced.
      1. Vaha
        Vaha 14 May 2016 08: 15 New
        16
        So it turns out all the other experts were right about the Georgian offensive? Then why the army was not ready for this scenario? He is an expert and not clairvoyant.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 May 2016 08: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Waha
          Then why the army was not ready for this scenario?

          Judging by how it was all over, I was ready.
          Quote: Waha
          He is an expert and not clairvoyant.

          Then there is nothing to shake the tongue all over the country. In the Ministry of Defense smarter people are sitting.
          1. Vaha
            Vaha 14 May 2016 08: 47 New
            15
            Ending with victory does not mean readiness for war. Southeast Asia is more powerful than Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan combined. I apologize but I can’t agree with your conclusion.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 14 May 2016 08: 59 New
              0
              Quote: Waha
              Ending with victory does not mean readiness for war.

              And what does readiness for a warrior mean? If it wasn’t ready, then the tunnel through which the military entered entered was bombed. And it was covered, probably because some of us understood what might happen.
              1. Mahmut
                Mahmut 14 May 2016 17: 05 New
                +1
                Nagorno-Karabakh ... in fact, the territory of Armenia, by the will of fate, was cut during the formation of the Caucasian Soviet republics in the Council of Azerbaijan

                Yeah, by the will of fate. But the Bolsheviks have nothing to do with it.
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 14 May 2016 18: 00 New
                  +5
                  And the Bolsheviks have nothing to do with it. I already wrote earlier about this. The viability of Nagorno-Karabakh within Armenia at the beginning of the 20th century would be equal to zero. At that level of transport, it was unrealistically purely economical. For this reason, Nagorno-Karabakh was part of Azerbaijan. And South Ossetia is part of Georgia. Even now, the supply of these areas is problematic.
        2. tupolev-95
          tupolev-95 15 May 2016 09: 31 New
          +3
          As far as I was ready I can’t say, but I didn’t sit idly by - I know for sure.
        3. The comment was deleted.
      2. Seren
        Seren 14 May 2016 08: 27 New
        15
        Israel’s Israeli ATGM Spike is not mentioned. But it was they who burned all 14 lost Armenian tanks. And the author wrote nonsense that the tanks were allegedly destroyed by Harop ammunition
        1. igor67
          igor67 14 May 2016 12: 36 New
          10
          Quote: seren
          Israel’s Israeli ATGM Spike is not mentioned. But it was they who burned all 14 lost Armenian tanks. And the author wrote nonsense that the tanks were allegedly destroyed by Harop ammunition

          And mi24 helicopters were not modernized in South Africa, but in Ukraine
        2. altel
          altel 14 May 2016 22: 17 New
          +1
          Glory to Israel! Glory to Harop! You see, comrades-Armenians — your old competitors, the Jews, put their hands to the victory of Azeri
      3. Enot-poloskun
        Enot-poloskun 14 May 2016 08: 34 New
        +3
        I am for Russia to support the Armenians.

        They are Christians, support us, they are the affected side (both from the Turks and Azerbaijanis).
        1. MAGA
          MAGA 14 May 2016 11: 36 New
          17
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          They are Christians, support us, they are the affected side (both from the Turks and Azerbaijanis).

          But then, how do you explain the fact that in Azerbaijan there are more Russians at times than in Armenia? There Ukrainians are also Christians, so why do you hate them? Are they the affected party in terms of world politics? We must look and study the situation from different angles, and not be one-sided.
          1. Mengad
            Mengad 14 May 2016 14: 53 New
            +1
            In Armenia and Azerbaijan every year there are fewer Russians. And the percentage ratio here after the 90s has nothing to do with it.
          2. Gennady85
            Gennady85 14 May 2016 16: 06 New
            0
            We do not hate them, we feel them! And they don’t take offense at patients ...
          3. xtur
            xtur 14 May 2016 17: 27 New
            +3
            > But then how can you explain the fact that in Azerbaijan there are more Russians at times than in Armenia?

            Even the Armenian population flees from Armenia because of the inability to feed themselves, why for Russians then endure this suffering?

            and to compete with the Armenians for a career and high social status is unlikely harder than in Azerbaijan.
            1. HERMES
              HERMES 14 May 2016 19: 35 New
              +5
              Quote: xtur
              Even the Armenian population flees from Armenia because of the inability to feed themselves, why, for the sake of the Russians, should they endure this suffering?


              And who or what is to blame for this? Complete blockade by Azerbaijan and Turkey?
              Does Russia not support? Have the USA and France forgotten their Armenian homeland?

              And you yourself are to blame ... dreams of Greater Armenia ... Artsakh ... drove tens of thousands of Armenians to the graves. What do you need in the lands that you call Artsakh, in which you found nothing but death? They were when it’s yours, but they haven’t been such for a long time. You militia against us - what did you expect? Only Russia, which holds you by the collar, does not allow you to fall on your knees.
              1. razmik72
                razmik72 14 May 2016 20: 18 New
                +2
                Hermes, why is it late? The economic difficulties are mostly connected with very poor management. You are painting here so that the Armenians die in tens of thousands, as if you are cyborgs wink and the bullet doesn’t take you.
                1. HERMES
                  HERMES 14 May 2016 21: 53 New
                  +1
                  Quote: razmik72
                  Hermes, why is it late? The economic difficulties are mostly connected with very poor management. You are painting so hard that the Armenians die in tens of thousands, as if you are a cyborg and the bullet will not take you.


                  Yes ... State affairs were decided) And who manages these management? I think you know. Here and chase them in the tail.
              2. Fhvty
                Fhvty 14 May 2016 23: 11 New
                +2
                I understand that some commentators from Armenia may not consciously, but pour balm on your Turkish soul, but do not flatter yourself.
                No one in Armenia and Artsakh is starving to death, and the morale of the people and the army is high. Not a couple to you.
                And you should thank Russia, firstly for the fact that you didn’t let us get to the Kura River in the 94th, and secondly, in 2016, it stopped the fighting at a time when ours had already begun to develop a counterattack.
                But for the third time, Russia will not help you either.
                1. HERMES
                  HERMES 15 May 2016 00: 27 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Fhvty
                  No one in Armenia and Artsakh is starving to death, and the morale of the people and the army is high. Not a couple to you.


                  Self-deception will not lead to anything good.
              3. Stavros
                Stavros 15 May 2016 00: 00 New
                +3
                Quote: HERMES
                What do you need in the lands that you call Artsakh, in which you did not find anything but death? They were once yours,

                This is where you showed your essence as a Hermes nomad, you again proved that this is just land for you, you never understood and you will never understand what the Motherland is.
                1. HERMES
                  HERMES 15 May 2016 01: 05 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Stavros
                  This is where you showed your essence as a Hermes nomad, you again proved that this is just land for you, you never understood and you will never understand what the Motherland is.


                  I showed the essence of the nomad, only emphasizing the historical fact? These lands ceased to be your homeland one and a half thousand years ago. You were driven out of there. These lands became our Motherland.

                  If you look at the map of Greater Armenia ... you will notice how many territories it covers. Why are your main claims to Karabakh? Is Karabakh the cradle of the Armenian people? Why do you not claim your rights to lands in Iraq, Syria, Iran? lands, and having lived there for several hundred years, and after losing them, does not mean that these lands became primordially yours and your Motherland. Something similar was done by the Poles ... having lost their "primordial" lands in the 11th century, which the Germans conquered , on which, except for goats and squirrels, no one else was found, and in 1945 they received "back" developed and advanced territories. In our case, the situation is somewhat different, but there is a similarity.

                  And don’t start about nomadism. At least your millions of Armenians, who have spread around the world, are no less nomads than us.
              4. xtur
                xtur 15 May 2016 00: 56 New
                +1
                > Who or what is to blame for this? A complete blockade by Azerbaijan and Turkey?
                Does Russia not support? Have the USA and France forgotten their Armenian homeland?


                we already discussed this topic with you when discussing another article - there is no point in repeating
                1. HERMES
                  HERMES 15 May 2016 01: 13 New
                  +1
                  Quote: xtur
                  we already discussed this topic with you when discussing another article - there is no point in repeating


                  Well, it was discussed with you perhaps (to be honest, I don’t remember) ... but with your colleagues they were still under discussion.
            2. altel
              altel 16 May 2016 18: 54 New
              -2
              According to the estimates of the Ministry of Natural Resources and Ecology of Azerbaijan, not refuted in Stepanakert and Yerevan, up to 30 enterprises mining gold and other valuable resources operate in the NKR and neighboring regions. One of the gold mining companies of Armenia (FDM), having started its activities in the region in 2001, has since mined more than 17 tons of precious metal. In total, 155 explored deposits are located in Nagorno-Karabakh, mainly with large industrial reserves. Among the latter - five gold ore, six mercury, two copper, lead, zinc, nine gypsum, four marble-tuff. And another fourteen deposits of semiprecious stones, ten - mineral waters, seven - healing mud. There are also signs of the presence of bismuth, vanadium, cobalt, chromium, manganese, rare earth metals, and pyrite in the bowels of the region and neighboring regions of Azerbaijan. Most of these resources were explored back in the 50s and 70s, but for political reasons, Baku chose not to develop exploration and production here, but to preserve the region’s agrarian and resort specialization. According to the report of the Geological Fund of Azerbaijan to the government of the republic, dated May 1968, in Nagorno-Karabakh and adjacent areas there are the following reserves of the industrial category (in tons): gold - 1250, silver - 4550, copper - 1,84 million, lead - 660 thousand , zinc - 775 thousand, cobalt - 150 thousand, chromium - 2,25 million, and taking into account mixed deposits - 3,5 million. Significant bauxite deposits were also noted - up to 120 million tons with a high content of basic raw materials (more than 40%).
              In Armenia itself, apart from mountains, apricots, Lake Sevan and dreams of "Great Armenia, there is nothing and they will give their priest for Karabakh." Comrades Armenians, return 5 regions of Azerbaijan, you yourself know that they are not 100% yours. The most realistic thing is to divide. You were constantly used as "tankers" and, thanks to your appearance and knowledge of languages, as "intelligence agents" in Central Asia and the Middle East against Muslims. A living example is Mr. Bagdasarov, who "registered" on TV. "Don't be liquid" as E. Poplar to your fellow tribesmen - Jewish oligarchs. Return what you stole, otherwise everything there will last for many years and you will hang around the world in search of a piece of bread and sitting in a blockade in the mountains. You have not died yet because of the support of you from Russia and Iran and your diasporas lobbying to recognize the Armenian genocide, but the place of "ecumenical sufferers" has already been taken by you, you know who, with the history of the "Holocaust"
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        3. silberwolf88
          silberwolf88 14 May 2016 12: 29 New
          10
          Maybe the author would like to tell stories about how Russians were cut and in Armenia in the 90s ... Christians were cut ... It’s time to understand there is no ... well, that is, there are no BROTHERS at all ... We must look at this topic as a conflict near our border. .. which we do not need ... No conflicts at the borders are needed at all7
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 14 May 2016 13: 22 New
            +8
            Quote: silberwolf88
            Maybe the author would like to tell stories about how Russians were cut and in Armenia in the 90s ... Christians were cut ... It’s time to understand there is no ... well, that is, there are no BROTHERS at all ... We must look at this topic as a conflict near our border. .. which we do not need ... No conflicts at the borders are needed at all7

            Cited specific examples: how much, when?
            1. garpastum75
              garpastum75 14 May 2016 19: 28 New
              +1
              Lies. The Armenians certainly lifted their tail, in the early 90s, no doubt. But at that time, Russophobia progressed in all 15 republics. He lived in Georgia and Armenia at that time. Georgia was tougher, but there was no talk of any massacre. LIES.
            2. silberwolf88
              silberwolf88 14 May 2016 22: 37 New
              +8
              for example, on July 10, 1992, five Russian paratroopers taking out equipment were shot dead in Leninakan ... And this part helped Armenia after the earthquake ...
              On the morning of January 9, 1991, a military vehicle, in which, together with Salatin, were the soldiers of the border part of the then still stationed in Azerbaijan - Lt. Col. Larionov, Major Ivanov, Sergeant Goyek, drove onto the Lachin-Shusha road. Near the Armenian village of Galaderesi, Armenians were already waiting for them ... They shot at them almost point-blank.
              The driver - sergeant I. Goyek was killed. Major Igor Yurievich Ivanov was killed immediately. Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Mikhailovich Larionov managed to open fire from a machine gun. He managed to jump out of the car, having already received five bullets, crossed the road and lay down, continuing to shoot until the cartridges ran out. The approaching Armenians finished him off. Opening the door of the car, the wounded Salatin Askerova was shot point blank.
              I can also give examples with the death and robbery of civilians ... BUT what does it change ... I have to ... for your reasons ... it's just that no reptile had the right to kill Russians under any sauce ... and especially military
              1. Fhvty
                Fhvty 15 May 2016 01: 21 New
                +1
                What then do the Azerbaijanis say that Russia fought for Armenia, and only because of this did the Armenians win? If so, then why did the Armenians kill their defenders?
                But it was not so at all.
                In Artsakh, the Soviet special forces carried out the "Ring" operation, the meaning of which was that Soviet troops (I emphasize, Soviet and not Russian) surrounded the Armenian villages, forced the militias to surrender their rifles which they had, after which the Azerbaijani special forces entered the village and began to plunder and kill civilians.
                As for the paratroopers exporting weapons from the Republic ... I well remember those times. And we were all outraged by this, as we saw that in Azerbaijan the Soviet army was leaving everything, but trying to take everything out of Armenia.
                And there were militias who tried to prevent this. I remember how in Yerevan, at the station, Soviet paratroopers shot several people who were trying to stop the convoy taking military equipment out of Armenia.
                1. Otshelnik
                  Otshelnik 15 May 2016 13: 27 New
                  -4
                  Nevzorov: not the Armenians attacked in Karabakh, but the Pskov paratroopers hired by the Armenians.
                  https://vk.com/video5221556_456239115
                  1. Fhvty
                    Fhvty 15 May 2016 14: 35 New
                    +1
                    Nezorov ... Found someone to quote!
                    It turns out that the Armenians were so rich that they hired Pskov paratroopers.
                    I myself was in Kelbajar, and I have not seen a single Russian. But Basayev fought for you, and all kinds of Mujahideen, and Ukrainians, in particular military pilots.
                    By the way, this is what Bassaev personally says about Azerbaijani warriors.
                    1. uranium
                      uranium 15 May 2016 14: 49 New
                      +1
                      If a person does not see the wall, then he can pass through the wall, but this does not mean that there is no wall)))
                    2. uranium
                      uranium 15 May 2016 15: 06 New
                      -1
                      Monte, for his part, was glad to get rid of another headache. Later, he realized what kind of person he took for himself as a comrade in arms: in November 1990, Kechal kidnapped a young activist from the Azerbaijan Popular Front from a border village. A young Azerbaijani, Said, was chained to the wall of a summer cottage near Yerevan for a month. On the eve of the new year of 1991, Kechel and a couple of comrades, including a local police officer and their friend Ardag, dragged their captive to the top of Yeraplyur, a hill with a cemetery near Yerevan. There, they kicked Said to their knees under the crown of a tree next to the grave of a militant named Harut. Then Ketchal, the father of three children, began cutting the throat of Said with a blunt knife. At first Said screamed, but after a while the scream gave way to a groan and a gurgle. In the end, when Ardag could no longer listen, he put an end to this by plunging a knife into Said's chest. They released Saeed’s blood over Harut’s grave and then left.

                      From the book of the Armenian National Hero "My Brother's Road"
            3. uranium
              uranium 14 May 2016 22: 39 New
              +3
              And in the very center of Leninakan, on the central square of the city, where the Russian guys then continued to share bread and the last shirt with the Armenians who suffered from the earthquake, Lieutenant Alexander Shapovalov, sergeants Yevgeny Poddubnyak and Oleg Yudintsev, privates Mikhail Karpov and Nikolai Maslennikov were greeted with heavy fire automatic weapons and grenade launcher. As experts later calculated, there were 216 holes in the car body of Shapovalov. Bullets and fragments literally tore young bodies and pure bold hearts of children.
              http://rosgeroika.ru/geroi-nashego-vremeni/2013/july/lejtenant-shapovalov-oruzhi
              ya-ne-predal
          2. SSW-GSM
            SSW-GSM 14 May 2016 13: 32 New
            +6
            Tell us when it was cut Russian in Armenia ??? Facts, links?
          3. Fhvty
            Fhvty 14 May 2016 16: 40 New
            0
            When did the Russians cut it in Armenia? What nonsense is that ?!
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        4. xetai9977
          xetai9977 14 May 2016 12: 32 New
          +8
          Reading completely illiterate comments, willy-nilly, you doubt the adequacy of the author. Some argue that “They are Christians, they support us, they are the affected party (.... from the Azerbaijanis).” Who and how HAS BEEN SUFFERED from us? By the fact that 20% of our territory was seized on the sly, and now they brazenly do not want to give it back? Now is not the 19th century, and even less the time of the crusades to give people an assessment on a religious basis. Vaughn, the Christianity of the Serbs did not prevent the West from supporting the Muslim Albanians. That's right, each country should proceed from its own benefits first of all, and not act on the flawed principle of the Middle Ages. What is wrong with Azerbaijan, which always pays in hard currency on time, and why Russia, according to some wiseacres, should prefer Armenia to us, always taking Russian weapons for nothing or at best on credit - there is no answer to this. On a purely religious basis? "Well done" then, there is nothing to say.
          1. the finish
            the finish 14 May 2016 12: 38 New
            +2
            you, no matter what. Deliberately writing Azerbaijan with a capital letter, and Armenia with a small one.
            1. HERMES
              HERMES 14 May 2016 19: 38 New
              +2
              Quote: finish


              Comrade ... your comments match your nickname ...
              1. the finish
                the finish 14 May 2016 23: 11 New
                -1
                Are you a friend in the nickname photo?
                1. HERMES
                  HERMES 15 May 2016 00: 10 New
                  +1
                  Quote: finish
                  Are you a friend in the nickname photo?


                  Well, I look better ... you’ve gotten blurry) The legs of the hands are in different directions)
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 14 May 2016 14: 24 New
            +4
            "Who and how SUFFERED from us? By the fact that 20% of our territory was seized on the sly, and now they brazenly do not want to give it back?"


            And you, too, "under the guise" of the collapse of the Union seized part of the territory of Russia, as the successor of the USSR and are not going to give it away. The Jews, "on the sly," seized territories from the Arabs, and the Albanians from the Serbs. It depends on which side you look at, the Armenians think that they have gained independence. Just like you think that you have gained independence from Russia. So everyone has their own truth.
          3. volodimir59
            volodimir59 14 May 2016 15: 04 New
            +4
            I don’t want to offend anyone, but it’s inherent in the Russian people to act not to their advantage but to their liking
            1. Fhvty
              Fhvty 14 May 2016 17: 16 New
              +4
              But do not forget that in this case it is not the Russian people who are acting, but only one person, and his name is Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. Putin believes that it is beneficial "to both." But I am afraid that our respected (without irony) president is still mistaken.
              By flirting with Azerbaijan, he may lose the only and most reliable ally in the south. But in return he will not acquire a new one. And I am sure that Azerbaijan will still follow its "knife in the back".
              Although this was a blow personally to Putin’s back. If you remember ...
              A couple of years ago. Putin tells Obama: Why should you build a radar in Europe against Iran. We suggest you share our OWN radar in Gabala.
              How everyone was enthusiastic about this move. They said: -Putin put Obama check and checkmate ...
              So what?
              In a couple of months, Aliev will throw us out of the Gabala radar station.
              Even then, I thought it was a stab in the back, personally of Putin.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 14 May 2016 18: 05 New
                +6
                Error in the chronology.

                The proposal was made in 2007. The contract ended in 2012. Not a couple of months but five whole years. And no one threw it out. The agreement ended and Azerbaijan was not going to renew it. This was known in advance.

                By the way, I was against this proposal. Although the President of Azerbaijan I. Aliyev considered this project quite seriously. The Americans refused .. And thank God.
              2. HERMES
                HERMES 14 May 2016 19: 41 New
                +4
                Quote: Fhvty
                In a couple of months, Aliev will throw us out of the Gabala radar station.
                Even then, I thought it was a stab in the back, personally of Putin.


                One amendment ... nobody threw anyone out. Azerbaijan simply raised the rent from $ 5 to $ 250 million.
        5. g1v2
          g1v2 14 May 2016 12: 59 New
          +6
          Serbs and Bulgarians are also Christians. For the same Bulgarians, this did not stop them from fighting against us. Armenia has made a significant contribution to the collapse of the union, it’s not worth starting an old song about little brothers. request But Azerbaijan must be processed in order to drag it into the structures in which we participate. If he doesn’t agree, then we can give the Armenians a loan and put up arms, and then turn away while the Armenians resolve territorial issues. If Azerbaijan, like Armenia, becomes a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, then the question will become internal and we will not have to meddle in this disassembly. At the same time, it is quite possible to sell weapons to both sides. The main thing is to decide what is beneficial for us and what are our priorities. In principle, war is not beneficial for us, since we have to spoil relations with someone, and why do we need it?
          Well, the conflict will end only with the victory of one of the parties and the recognition of the defeat of the other. All the tales about a peaceful solution are nonsense. You can only freeze the conflict until the sides of the forces have accumulated, but sooner or later, it will flare up again.
          There is really one more option - to annex Azerbaijan, and make NKR autonomy within the Russian Federation. In the end, Baku was not the last of the cities of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR. See, otherwise we will get tired of this fuss at our borders and the gene memory will wake up.laughing
        6. HERMES
          HERMES 14 May 2016 19: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          I am for Russia to support the Armenians.

          They are Christians, support us, they are the affected side (both from the Turks and Azerbaijanis).


          Sir ... I want to draw your attention ... to the fact that during the existence of Russia ... almost all who attacked Russia were Christians.

          As for the injured ... 1 refugees are not with the Armenians, but with the NAS. Your State, like almost the rest of the world, recognizes the rights to Nagorno-Garabagh for Azerbaijan.

          If you mean the Armenian genocide ... most likely it took place, but not on such a scale. And this does not give the moral right to take revenge on us, bearing malice on our women and children. It does not suit the "ancient, wise and great" Then how do they differ from those thugs who staged in 1915 in Turkey, 1988 in Sumgait?

          And now ... a question for the Armenians - what is ASALA doing on the territory of Garabagh?
          And the ducks ... that you let herds in the media about the alleged ISIS on the side of Azerbaijan turned out to be just ... ducks ...
        7. altel
          altel 14 May 2016 22: 20 New
          0
          they suffered from the cunning of their Armenian nationalists (from the Dashnaks) and from Tsarist intelligence. They slaughtered them in the 1st world uprising in the rear of the Turks to raise, while in those men the male population fought with the Entente, and now they have endured
          1. the finish
            the finish 14 May 2016 23: 21 New
            -4
            And 100 thousand military men of Armenian nationality who served in the Turkish army then disarmed, under various pretexts, and subsequently shot, without trial, also raised an uprising in the rear of the Turks? By the way, they fought during the battle of Galliopoli, which the Turks praised as a victory over allies.
            1. altel
              altel 15 May 2016 01: 57 New
              -2
              Well, you don’t tell tales about hundreds of thousands of Armenians who fought for the Turks. The Armenians, like the Greeks, enjoyed the same rights in Turkey, and now they cry about millennia of persecution. In a few hundred years, if desired, the Turks would have slaughtered every one of them. There are two peoples. who cry the most about their suffering. Armenians are one of them. By the way, "the best defense minister of all times" Pavel Grachev had an Armenian mother, and this was one of the reasons for the seizure of large territories of Azerbaijan. He insisted on sending the Armenians three hundred BMP and tanks. Of course, it’s unpleasant to hear that Russia, playing on the "feelings of co-religionists", together with England, incited the Armenians to revolt and they rushed to slaughter the Turks and Kurds.
              1. garnik64
                garnik64 15 May 2016 21: 50 New
                0
                Rumors that Grachev’s mother or wife is an arrogant lie. I knew very well that both his mother and his wife were purebred Russians. But the idiotic statements of some of our jingoistic patriots that the mother and wife of Grachev are Armenian, infuriated Pavel Sergeevich, revolted him, set him against the Azerbaijanis. Why did you need to make such ridiculous statements?

                These words of the former Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan
                Ragima Gazieva.
        8. kuz363
          kuz363 15 May 2016 05: 41 New
          +1
          Put Russian lives for all the victims in the world, and they will trade in Russia and sit out?
      4. razmik72
        razmik72 14 May 2016 09: 44 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        All you need to know about the author of the article!
        On August 7 of 2008, the day before the outbreak of war in South Ossetia, Alexander Khramchikhin stated that he excludes the scenario of an armed conflict:

        There will be no Georgian offensive, this is absolutely ruled out. ... There will be no war in any case. Apparently, the goal of Georgia is to destabilize the situation in South Ossetia so that as many people as possible run away from there to Russia. This is done in order to weaken the republic militarily, economically and psychologically.

        http://regnum.ru/news/1037955.html

        These pseudo-experts of parasites divorced.

        Khramchikhin fairly objectively assessed the situation, Alexander, if he was mistaken in one of his assessments, this does not mean that he is always mistaken.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 14 May 2016 13: 29 New
          +5
          Quote: razmik72
          Khramchikhin fairly objectively assessed the current situation,

          Yes, what is objective ?? He said that the NKR army was supposedly opposed to Azerbaijan. So what the hell body of the dead soldiers were taken to Yerevan and other cities of Armenia for burial, if the local residents of Karabakh fought ??
          They fired the head of intelligence, supply and some other chief in the Ministry of Defense of Armenia. And yes, the NKR fought))
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 14 May 2016 13: 44 New
            0
            Look at my comments below.
          2. Fhvty
            Fhvty 14 May 2016 17: 25 New
            0
            I just noticed ... Yeraz
            Erazik that is. If anyone does not know: "Yerevan Azeri" These are those who from Yerevan in the 90s jumped off to Baku and Sumgait and began to talk there about the tales of the atrocities of the Armenians. And they provoked the massacres in Baku and Sumgait.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 14 May 2016 20: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: Fhvty
              These are those who from Yerevan in the 90s jumped off to Baku and Sumgait and began to talk there about the tales of the atrocities of the Armenians. And they provoked the massacre in Baku and Sumgait.

              No Erazy i.e. Yerevan Azerbaijanis are those whom they began to expel even under the tsar, then Stalin expelled. The 3rd exile of people from Yerevan was scanty, and there were Azerbaijanis from other areas of present-day Armenia, but Eraz stuck to all Azerbaijanis from Armenia.
              Quote: Fhvty
              began to talk there about the tales of the atrocities of Armenians

              Well, it’s not in vain that Azerbaijan is called the MOST TINY AND GOOD among the Azerbaijanis, there were murders in Ghafan and Archut, but there weren’t many, because the people left their lands in good time knowing who and who the Armenians were.
              By the way, the Erazy, unlike the Karabakh Azerbaijanis, did not ache or cry, but quickly began with the Armenians to change their huts in Armenia to the huts of Armenians in Azerbaijan.
              And so the Erazy really wanted to cut out the Armenians, it’s true, but they were blocked, and those who could jump out and find the Armenian were protected by neighbors Azerbaijanis.
              Therefore, Erazy and Baku People are Azerbaijanis, although not only because of this, they really, really do not like each other.
            2. altel
              altel 14 May 2016 22: 25 New
              0
              The massacre began to provoke academician Aganbegyan, Gorbachev’s adviser, Armenian Shakhnazarov, and A. Sakharov, and at that time his assistant and journalist was a certain G. Starovoitova
          3. HERMES
            HERMES 14 May 2016 19: 49 New
            +3
            Quote: Yeraz
            Yes, what is objective ?? He said that the NKR army was supposedly opposed to Azerbaijan. So what the hell body of the dead soldiers were taken to Yerevan and other cities of Armenia for burial, if the local residents of Karabakh fought ??


            Yes ... it's very strange ... where does the unrecognized republic have an interest in arming "Elbrus"? Where did it get it on the territory of Garabakh? Only the Artsakh Defense Army fought ... oh, cunning.
      5. xtur
        xtur 14 May 2016 15: 36 New
        +7
        > These pseudo-experts got divorced parasites.

        Well, would you even speak out on the case, as an exception, or something

        I did not like and do not like Khramchikhin, but in this case in his article I read a lot more realistic reasoning than in most of the articles on this subject published in VO.

        Khramchikhin does not agree on the obvious conclusions from his reasoning, which need to be supplemented a little in the actual field, so that the decisions become obvious to everyone in the Russian Federation

        1) About half of the population and territory of Azerbaijan is made up of various Iranian-speaking peoples, Caucasian peoples - about one million Lezgins and Avars, that is, in fact, these are your countrymen who were abroad and separated from their relatives only as a result of the collapse of the USSR.

        2) Azerbaijan had approximately the same military advantage over Armenia in the early 199s, and even many times greater than now - the USSR objectively had more warehouses with weapons in Azerbaijan and all this went to our "partners", despite the fact that from Almost everything was taken out of Armenia. So the current attitude towards the armament of Armenia and Azerbaijan is actually a constant of the policy of the USSR / RF

        how it ended in that war everyone knows

        Khramchikhin did not say only about the rising wave of the people and the crowds of volunteers wishing to recover to the front - and this was the most striking result of this war, which no one, even those living in Armenia, expected - the people hate their power, and this hatred is mutual. This power humiliated the heroes of past wars and elevated rogues, thieves and crime upstairs - but at the time of the war the people forgot everything

        The people cannot understand why we are not bombing the dollar pipelines of Baku, which are within the reach of the NKR artillery, allowing our enemy to arm themselves. And only because of this wave of dissatisfaction, three generals were exponentially removed from the Moscow Region

        And now the conclusion is that if you take away from Azerbaijan what the Russian Federation took from Georgia in 2008 - the national suburbs that do not belong to them, which are the continuation of the peoples in the Russian Federation, then Azerbaijan will lose the border with Georgia, and Armenia will acquire borders with the Russian Federation.
        But after that, the opportunity to put pressure on the Russian Federation with the help of this country will be lost. But giving up the NKR will be simply fatal for Armenia, which the Russian Federation cannot allow itself.

        So it turns out that the Russian Federation cannot allow the NKR to transition to Azerbaijan, but so far it is not able to push through a solution that is beneficial to it - even in the EAEU there are exclusively influential advocates of pantherian ideas - Kazakhstan represented by Nazarbayev, who even publicly, at the meetings of the EAEU, in the presence of Putin, if my memory serves me, did not hesitate to say that Turkey should be invited to this union, so that deprive the Russian Federation of dominance.
        1. HERMES
          HERMES 14 May 2016 20: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: xtur
          I did not like and do not like Khramchikhin, but in this case in my article I read much more realistic reasoning than in most of the articles on this subject published in


          Just because he described the situation, exposing the Armenian army in a more favorable light for the Armenians. But this does not make the article more realistic.

          Quote: xtur
          if we take away from Azerbaijan what the Russian Federation took in 2008 from Georgia - the national suburbs that do not belong to them, which are the continuation of the peoples in the Russian Federation, then Azerbaijan will lose the border with Georgia, and Armenia will acquire borders with the Russian Federation.

          Remind me ... for what reason did Russia take these territories from Georgia? As far as I remember, Georgia began to rock in the wrong direction. For what it got what it deserved.
          And tell me why Russia should take the territories about which you wrote above, we do not seem to press these peoples. I have a lot of Lezghins friends, and I have never heard from them about oppression or racial discrimination. And we have, on the contrary, very Respect. And SADVAL ... about whom the Armenian media like to write are simple mufflers, like their Talysh "colleagues". In the case of the scenario you described, this will already be a stab in the back from Russia ... and Russia does not do such things.

          Quote: xtur
          how it ended in that war everyone knows

          Do you know why you will lose in a future war? Because you live in the past.
        2. altel
          altel 14 May 2016 22: 27 New
          -2
          and Armenians back to the east of Turkey to send to their historical homeland does not interfere.
    2. the finish
      the finish 14 May 2016 12: 56 New
      +4
      On May 12-15, the European Kung Fu Championship is taking place in the Ukrainian city of Lviv, during which a scandalous incident occurred.
      The national teams of the federations of Armenia and Azerbaijan also take part in the championship. The Armenian athlete Ashot Harutyunyan won the match with the representative of Azerbaijan, Ermenihaber reports.
      Another match was held with the participation of Armenian and Azerbaijani athletes. At the end of this fight, when the victory of David Petrosyan became obvious, the second team of Azerbaijan made an attempt to hit the Armenian athlete. An Azerbaijani athlete joined the provocation, who struck David Petrosyan from the back, after which the coaches and athletes of the Azerbaijani team with batons attacked members of the Armenian team.
      In the heat of the fight from the Azerbaijanis, even the President of the Kung Fu Federation of Europe Nikolai Matulevsky, who was trying to cover the Karabakh athlete with his body, got into it.
      Police officers intervened in the brawl and called on the Azerbaijanis who provoked the fight to order. The Azerbaijani team was reprimanded for such inappropriate behavior and was disqualified. While Armenian athletes gain worthy victories in the ring, Azerbaijani coaches and athletes in Europe and before her eyes compromise the reputation of the sports world and the championship with their unworthy behavior.
      It is noteworthy that the Karabakh athlete David Petrosyan is the brother of the military serviceman Marat Petrosyan, who during the April battles on the contact line of the Azerbaijani and Karabakh forces knocked out 5 tanks and 1 BMP of the enemy.
      1. uranium
        uranium 15 May 2016 15: 43 New
        0
        The Armenians provoked a fight in the ring and the Armenians attacked with a baton on the video clearly in a video. Then they took this stick away from the Armenians and already started to drive the ancient Armenians from the ancient Armenian sports arena, which was laid by the ancient Armenian king Tigran 6 during a trip to Kiev Rus)) )

        But after these words, I doubt your adequacy "athlete David Petrosyan is the brother of serviceman Marat Petrosyan, who knocked out 5 tanks and 1 infantry fighting vehicle of the enemy during the April battles on the line of contact between the Azerbaijani and Karabakh Armed Forces .." laughing
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeWEMsj6ybM&feature=player_embedded
  2. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 14 May 2016 06: 12 New
    +4
    One can argue for a long time and with whom Moscow is objectively more profitable to be friends with - Yerevan or Baku, or one must ignore the fact of an irreconcilable Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict and try to maintain neutrality.
    "You won't be nice to everyone." And here you have to choose unambiguously: either Baku or Yerevan. Although:
    For example, in March 2014, on the most important Crimean issue for us, Armenia voted in the UN General Assembly together with Russia, and Azerbaijan voted against Russia. Yerevan is the legal and de facto ally of Moscow, but Baku is not. To what extent this is objectively good or bad for Moscow, the author of this article is not ready to answer, he only states a fact. Another fact is that allied commitments must be fulfilled.
    1. altel
      altel 14 May 2016 22: 29 New
      +3
      And back in 77g. Armenians blew up bombs in Moscow. Russians live in Azerbaijan. And there weren’t any left in fraternal Armenia.
      1. estixnumx
        estixnumx 14 May 2016 22: 41 New
        0
        Tere, but in Estonia the people stayed or went to Europe to earn money. In our country, we are worse than the Transcaucasian province with signs of an independent state.
      2. garnik64
        garnik64 15 May 2016 00: 05 New
        +2
        There have never been many Russians in Armenia. They were in p
        The republics of Central Asia and Azerbaijan, together with the Armenians, eliminated illiteracy and boosted the economy of these territories. Most of the Russians in Armenia destroyed the Turks in 20 years in the Armenian-Turkish war.


        What happened in 77 could make the scapegoat even the Jews, they simply regretted it and they were to blame for everything. They sent others. They don’t blame the Tajiks. These shot poor fellows never admitted. Check out Wikipedia at least.
        1. altel
          altel 15 May 2016 02: 13 New
          -1
          Now I know whom to thank for the elimination of illiteracy in the USSR. It turns out that the Russians had no time to live in Armenia. The most literate people of the USSR went to read and write the dark peoples of Asia. In fact, in Asia they distinguished themselves by suppressing the Kokand autonomy in 18, having sent about 10 thousand to the other world. local.! Thanks on the poyas. Thanks to Levon Mirzoyan, 1st secretary of the Kazakh SSR for the execution lists for 5 thousand Kazakhs and Russians. Thanks to the cunning "faithful Stalinist" and the 27th "miraculously survived" Baku commissar A. Mikoyan for the purges in his native Thanks for everything. And who made the scapegoats of the poor Dashnaks for the explosions in the subway? The KGB chairman, a Jew Andropov? Spared his Jews and blamed everything on Armenians? By the way, on the documentary footage of the trial, they did not even deny, but were proud and shouted that that they will be remembered in someday independent Armenia. Wikipedia is apparently written in Tel Aviv and Yerevan
          1. Bramb
            Bramb 15 May 2016 02: 23 New
            +2
            Stop writing garbage!
            Moreover. You do not start according to the situation. but on a national basis! This is the first signal that you are either stupid or engaged.
            Among Russians, about 5% of liberals who are now ready to sell their homeland! And all the remaining 95% think. that they need to be shot for it! And only an extremely insignificant, vanishingly small part of Russians, about 0,00001% in power, believes that this cannot be done.
            I don’t even want to talk about your fabrications about Jews \: you always have nationalism with a negative connotation. This is clearly no accident. Cossack you mishandled.
            You are either catastrophically stupid or a liar.
          2. altel
            altel 15 May 2016 02: 49 New
            +2
            Of course, Andropov was an Ethiopian. There are Russian nationalists, Armenian, Kazakh, Ukrainian, and Jewish, they don’t exist. They only suffer. Tales do not need to be written, after all, they are not children. It means that Azerbaijanis and Turks slaughtered Armenians and this is a fact. and what is there among the Dashnak Armenians is to write nationalism? And what about the situation in Karabakh? Not on the national question? After all, everything rests on him. You are still a human rights activist.
          3. estixnumx
            estixnumx 15 May 2016 09: 10 New
            +5
            Most Russians in Armenia destroyed the Turks in 20 years in the Armenian-Turkish war
            My great-grandfather, a Russified Swede, Otto-Nikolai Germut, commanded a regiment near Kars in 1916 and died there. And his wife Anastasia Wooten in 1918 barely escaped to Batum when the Turks took this city. Her Jews sheltered and were able, together with her daughter, to transfer to Tiflis. And in Ani, they took away from my other righteous Sbornikov and on foot drove from Turkey and not only him alone. Most of the Russians under the tsar lived in Western Armenia. And according to the 1988 census, the national composition in Armenia was 97% Armenians and 3% other nations.
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 15 May 2016 10: 42 New
              +3
              Here is a quote from Wikipedia.
              The Armenian population of Yerevan and surrounding areas increased from 20% in 1828] to 98% in 2001

              Can you explain how Armenia became mono-ethnic?
              And from there
              In the XIX century, the process of resettlement of Armenians to the territory of Transcaucasia began

              These data are consistent with other sources.
              1. xtur
                xtur 15 May 2016 13: 29 New
                0
                > Can you explain how Armenia became mono-national?

                easily

                To begin with, we understood how things are with genetics:

                http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/11/science/study-backs-5th-century-historians-dat
                e-for-founding-of-armenia.html? smid = fb-share & _r = 0

                http://noev-kovcheg.ru/mag/2013-03/3693.html
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 15 May 2016 13: 51 New
                  +2
                  Hmm ... I asked a simple question. There is no answer as usual. There is continuous populism and demagogy.
                  1. xtur
                    xtur 15 May 2016 14: 04 New
                    0
                    > asked a simple question. As usual, there is no answer. There is sheer populism and demagoguery.

                    if the results of international genetic research are considered demagogy, then I do not know, in that case, what is considered a scientifically sound answer
                    1. Bakht
                      Bakht 15 May 2016 14: 22 New
                      +2
                      Look at the question. Did I ask something about genetics?
            2. HERMES
              HERMES 15 May 2016 12: 53 New
              +3
              Quote: esti1979
              estixnumx

              The reason that the Turks in such a short time hated the Armenians so much? Armenians with whom they had coexisted for centuries? Who even took to their army on an equal footing? Enlighten please ... I honestly don’t know.
              1. xtur
                xtur 15 May 2016 13: 34 New
                +2
                > The reason that the Turks in such a short time hated the Armenians so much? The Armenians with whom they got along for centuries?

                Do you know what the difference between an empire and a nation state is? There was a transition from the Ottoman Empire to the national state of the Turks. And where do the Turks live in a nation state, if in Asia Minor there were only Greeks, Armenians, and a few Kurds.

                And their natural savagery was strengthened by Europeans with their anti-Russian policies.
                1. HERMES
                  HERMES 15 May 2016 13: 54 New
                  +2
                  Quote: xtur
                  And their natural savagery

                  Natural wildness? Everyone has it, including you ... even the Germans were savages during the time of the Roman Empire. Now they are advanced people in all areas. You can’t say about the Armenians, who are no less wild than the Turks.
                  1. xtur
                    xtur 15 May 2016 13: 56 New
                    0
                    > Everyone has it, including you ... even the Germans were savages during the Roman Empire

                    if you remember about fascism, we can say that their savagery has not disappeared. It seems like wildness is or is not.

                    Yezidis live in Armenia - live since time immemorial
                    1. HERMES
                      HERMES 15 May 2016 14: 14 New
                      +1
                      Quote: xtur
                      if you remember about fascism

                      Do I remind you of Armenian fascism? Do not deny it ... no matter how you call it ... "popular front" ... "ASALA", etc., etc ... they are still inherently fascists, which confirms their behavior towards opponents, or rather towards the enemy's civilian population.

                      If you kill your child, killing the child of the enemy you will not become a hero. You will stand on a par with the murderer of your child.
        2. uranium
          uranium 15 May 2016 15: 54 New
          +1
          You have a peculiar method of combating illiteracy: the massacre in the Ferghana Valley of 1918 by the Armenians is an example. Wherever the Armenians were, they eventually slaughtered the local population and this can lead to a bunch of examples.
          1. garnik64
            garnik64 15 May 2016 22: 45 New
            0
            If Armenians also entered into punitive detachments, this does not mean that the Armenians destroyed Turkestan autonomy. As they say, they were Dashnaks. Examples are not needed. Recently I stumbled on YouTube. The media in Kazakhstan broadcast supposedly 1918 Armenians cut 13 thousand Uzbeks. What can be expected from the Turks. We know whether Russia knows.
            1. uranium
              uranium 16 May 2016 00: 01 New
              +1
              the so-called pseudo genocide was in 1915, as you put it, you were cut out by the Turks.
              and what do you say at the 1905 massacre when you were the initiators of the Armenians and slaughtered Muslims in the territory of Azerbaijan in Erivan, Kazakh in the Elizavetpol district (Ganja) ?? Then, too, did the Turks genocide you ??
              http://www.iravan.info/ru/1905-1906_qirginlar.html
            2. altel
              altel 16 May 2016 18: 38 New
              0
              The Turks did not sell their allies. The only military leader, Khan of Nakhichevan supported Nicholas1 when his generals disowned him. In the camp, Muslim prisoners of war near Zossen in Germany in World War I refused to fight against Russia. Over a million Muslim Turks fought in the Second World War in the Red Army. .Russia knows what can expect from the Turks. The Armenians were "led" to the promises of England and the tsarist intelligence service to recreate "Great Armenia" in the event of Turkey's defeat and, urged on by the "Dashnaks", ran to kill the Turks and Kurds, but no one expected the collapse of Tsarist Russia and the Armenians did not receive the lands on which they lived 1 years ago.
  3. siberalt
    siberalt 14 May 2016 06: 16 New
    +3
    It would be nice if the author could provide any reliable map of Artsakh. If Stepanakert controls the "Lachin corridor" and the south of the border with Iran along the Araks, Azerbaijan will never succeed in taking Karabakh. Long ago we would have recognized the realities and lived peacefully. hi
    1. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 14 May 2016 06: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: siberalt
      It would be nice if the author provided any reliable map of Artsakh.

      I beg! click here for details http://achtungpartisanen.ru/karabax-karta/
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 14 May 2016 09: 08 New
        +7
        It’s because of such false throws and it is impossible to reach a compromise

        Here is the real map.
        1. Seren
          Seren 14 May 2016 10: 01 New
          0
          Israeli sympathies are firmly on the Azerbaijani side.
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 14 May 2016 12: 09 New
            -5
            Khramchikhin and objectivity are incompatible things. A very tendentious article. His statement that our troops are opposed by the "forces of the NKR" is especially "touching". Although it was possible to study the geography of Armenia itself from the publications of Armenian sites, reading where they were taken to bury the killed Armenian soldiers. There are no mythical "NKR forces" in nature. We are opposed by the same troops of the republic of armenia. The author knows this as well as all normal people. Sooner or later, the aggressor will leave the occupied territories. Whether he wants it or not, then peace will reign on this earth. And the hypocritical calls in the spirit of the cat Leopold - "guys, live together" are inappropriate. We must call a spade a spade, who is the aggressor, and who is the victim, who occupied whose lands. Then there will be a constructive conversation in essence.
            1. razmik72
              razmik72 14 May 2016 12: 50 New
              +9
              "We are opposed by the same troops of the Republic of Armenia" - I completely agree with you and do not deny this fact, and Khramchikhin did not emphasize this topic. Try to write the word Armenia with a capital letter, I do not write Azerbaijan with a capital letter.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 14 May 2016 13: 31 New
                -4
                Quote: razmik72
                you try to write the word Armenia with a capital letter, Azerbaijan I do not write with a capital letter.

                The hand does not rise. Excuse me. You can also write about Azerbaijan, no one will be offended by this because of this.
                1. razmik72
                  razmik72 14 May 2016 13: 48 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Quote: razmik72
                  you try to write the word Armenia with a capital letter, Azerbaijan I do not write with a capital letter.

                  The hand does not rise. Excuse me. You can also write about Azerbaijan, no one will be offended by this because of this.

                  Education just does not allow request .
                2. HERMES
                  HERMES 14 May 2016 20: 12 New
                  +6
                  Quote: razmik72
                  xetai9977

                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Yeraz


                  Countrymen ... I understand everything ... blood boils and the like ... but let's be more restrained.
            2. alicante11
              alicante11 14 May 2016 14: 33 New
              +1
              It is necessary to call things by their proper names-who is the aggressor and who is the victim, who whose lands are occupied.


              Yes, easily, return the Azerbaijani lands to Russia and then we will talk with the Armenians about NK.
            3. Fhvty
              Fhvty 14 May 2016 17: 49 New
              0
              What difference does the NKR Force or the forces of Armenia have? This is all Armenian land. And Armenians live on this Armenian land. Karabakh, Yerevan, Artashat, Sisian, etc. These are internal Armenian affairs of the Armenian world.
              And if the aggressor snoops again, it will be his last trembling. And even Putin will not stop the Armenian counterattack, as was the case this April.
              1. HERMES
                HERMES 14 May 2016 20: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: Fhvty
                These are internal Armenian affairs of the Armenian world. And if the aggressor snoops again, it will be his last trembling. And even Putin will not stop the Armenian counterattack, as was the case this April.


                Well ... tell this to V.V. Putin ... he, in turn, will sit in a chair, take popcorn (also a man after all) and watch Armenia roll out like dough. And he will just watch. This is internal Armenian affairs.
              2. altel
                altel 14 May 2016 22: 32 New
                +2
                and why the Armenian land bears the Turkic name. (Artsa was later invented)
              3. uranium
                uranium 16 May 2016 00: 26 New
                0
                Do you really dare to disobey your masters (Russia) who gave you shelter (overpowered to the Caucasus), who gave you bread (you live off the subsidies of the Russian Federation), who protected you as your child (from the evil Ottoman Turks).
                You once betrayed Turkey. Soon you will betray Russia a matter of time.
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          3. razmik72
            razmik72 14 May 2016 13: 28 New
            +6
            Quote: seren
            Israeli sympathies are firmly on the Azerbaijani side.

            My sympathies are with the Palestinian Arabs. hi
            1. garnik64
              garnik64 14 May 2016 15: 19 New
              +6
              Long live HESBALL! Watch for the Syrian conflict, whose representatives of the peoples are fighting on the side of Assad, those who sympathize with Russia, and those who are on the side of Isil and Jebhat Annusra, for the destruction of Russia as a state. And at the expense of Christian and Muslim states, if Russia can find a friend among Christian peoples , then among Muslims it’s not even worth trying, especially if we are talking about Turkey. Putin has long had to surround himself with advisers from real Russians without a batch of other blood.
              1. altel
                altel 14 May 2016 22: 35 New
                +2
                Hezbollah is also Muslim, and Iranians. And Hazaras. Yes, and in the army of Assad Muslims are like 90%. Or they are not such Muslims.
                1. garnik64
                  garnik64 15 May 2016 00: 23 New
                  -1
                  I wrote about hezbola in revenge to your fellow believer, SEREN.

                  Muslims are different and they are not as Muslims as in Isis, Saudi Arabia in Turkey, etc. You should know this no worse than me. In vain Israel flirts with the Saudis, it is not possible to keep everything under control. I heard that the igil aimed at Israel.
                  1. altel
                    altel 15 May 2016 02: 18 New
                    +2
                    Yes, he aimed that the militants in Israeli hospitals would be treated. The Israeli media wrote about this.
          4. alicante11
            alicante11 14 May 2016 14: 30 New
            +3
            Israeli sympathies are firmly on the Azerbaijani side.


            Well then, return the territories to the Arabs. Maybe then the Armenians will be ashamed and they will follow your example - they will return NK to Azerbaijan.
            1. tilix
              tilix 14 May 2016 17: 39 New
              +2
              return all territories to the Arabs

              From a dead donkey's ears. You will receive from Pushkin. Goodbye ...
              Classic however.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 15 May 2016 05: 02 New
                +1
                Classic however.


                Then support nefig Azerbaijan - double standards, however.
                1. tilix
                  tilix 15 May 2016 07: 43 New
                  +8
                  We will support those whom we consider necessary to support. Since when can you tell us? I will not list to whom you can indicate, but to us, certainly not. And with your logic, of course, write comments, this is a disgrace. Then there is nothing, then there is something.
                  Double standards? My slippers are dying of laughter. laughing
                  1. HERMES
                    HERMES 15 May 2016 12: 58 New
                    +6
                    Quote: tilix
                    We will support those whom we consider necessary to support. Since when can you tell us? I will not list to whom you can indicate, but to us, certainly not. And with your logic, of course, write comments, this is a disgrace. Then there is nothing, then there is something.
                    Double standards? My slippers are dying of laughter. laughing


                    Armenians have double standards ... to say that the history of the Armenian people is similar to the Jewish one in terms of tragedy, to honor the memory of the Holocaust and at the same time to hate the Jews themselves. Azerbaijan is part of a very small circle of countries in which they have never and never driven and never pressed Jews on a national basis. We are openly jealous of Jews wink and envy is more kind than evil.
                    1. tilix
                      tilix 15 May 2016 18: 05 New
                      +2
                      bütün normal insanlar sayəsində və uğurlar
                    2. garnik64
                      garnik64 15 May 2016 23: 04 New
                      -2
                      For example, I respect Jews very much, but I hate Israel rather politics. If some Armenians show hatred for Jews, then the state of Israel proves this in practice. You can’t remember about Russia (selling weapons), there you know the oligarchs rule.

                      Question to the director of the MOSSAD: "Are there any Mossad agents in Russia?" "We have high-ranking people there." - the director's answer. This is not a joke, this is serious. I heard from the media.
                      1. tilix
                        tilix 16 May 2016 16: 25 New
                        +1
                        It’s not very clear to me what you wrote. Did you write that the state of Israel actually proves that some Armenians hate Jews? So what? What about
                        I hate Israel or rather politics
                        you mean you hate Israel and its policies? If you are an Armenian, then personally I have no doubt about it. As well as in the fact that "I will tell you Shura as a native" your hatred, to us, the Israelis, to one place. You probably follow the example of your high-ranking official who tried to trick, they say, we were also offered weapons from Israel. Congenially Kisa.
                        21 century in the yard, wake up. But maybe it’s better and not necessary.
                      2. altel
                        altel 18 May 2016 14: 42 New
                        -1
                        Are you afraid of the Nazis in Germany now, Palestine is now in Germany? Or are there more Jews living there than Germans? Why don't you defend the "promised land" like a professor and other "right guys"? You are a deserter and will be held accountable under martial law, and this at a time when all honest Jews are fighting terrorists!
        2. Passer
          Passer 14 May 2016 17: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: seren
          Israeli sympathies are firmly on the Azerbaijani side.

          After the celebration of Sabantui in Israel, for some reason this is not surprising.
          [media=http://www.israinfocenter.com/2013-11-23-12-16-36/270-2014-06-22-07-05-53
          ]
        3. Fhvty
          Fhvty 14 May 2016 17: 37 New
          +1
          So they found something to be proud of.
        4. HERMES
          HERMES 14 May 2016 20: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: seren
          Israeli sympathies are firmly on the Azerbaijani side.


          I saw how your religious leaders fight with their Armenian colleagues every year in the Jerusalem Temple. This apparently contributed to the rapprochement with Azerbaijan wink

          Shalom from Baku hi drinks
        5. Tersky
          Tersky 14 May 2016 20: 19 New
          +4
          Quote: seren
          Israeli sympathies are firmly on the Azerbaijani side.

          Always bullshit from such statements. tongue . Are you Sesren the whole nation of Israel? belay And until then I thought that there are 8,5 million Jews living ... recourse
        6. altel
          altel 14 May 2016 22: 31 New
          -1
          Here I agree with Israel. "To the nail" of your old competitors. The enemy of my enemy is my friend
      2. siberalt
        siberalt 14 May 2016 16: 17 New
        0
        This is an Azerbaijan map. Also penniless. Nakhchivan enjoyed the same status in Armenia as non-profit organizations in Azerbaijan. It turns out that Azerbaijan captured Nakhchivan?
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 14 May 2016 17: 08 New
          +3
          Are you still talking nonsense? Nakhchivan in Armenia? What are you smoking? It completely blew the roof ...
      3. visitork67
        visitork67 14 May 2016 20: 49 New
        0
        I like it.
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  4. Bakht
    Bakht 14 May 2016 09: 13 New
    0
    As always, they hit the sky with a finger.

    According to your logic, what you’ve captured must already be reconciled ... Your watch has been stolen. Humble yourself and live peacefully. Why do we need the police, the court and so on ... Well, the logic ....

    We will return our and then give our advice to the Armenians. In the meantime, everything goes to war
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 14 May 2016 10: 08 New
      +5
      Quote: Bakht
      As always, they hit the sky with a finger.

      According to your logic, what you’ve captured must already be reconciled ... Your watch has been stolen. Humble yourself and live peacefully. Why do we need the police, the court and so on ... Well, the logic ....

      We will return our and then give our advice to the Armenians. In the meantime, everything goes to war

      Karabakh has the same right to secede from Azerbaijan, as Azerbaijan took advantage of and seceded from the USSR. It means that Azerbaijan can leave the USSR, and Karabakh cannot, where is the logic. And what kind of logic am I writing here if you compared Karabakh with a wrist watch that you have lost and are trying to take away from your neighbor at any cost, not giving a damn about the fact that living people live there, not "watches". request Recently, a referendum was held in Scotland and the Scots did not want to leave the UK and live separately. Azerbaijan has always been an evil stepmother for Karabakh Armenians, not a mother, which is why they ran away from you, no one is running away from a caring mother, as the referendum in Scotland showed .
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 14 May 2016 10: 16 New
        0
        We have already discussed this. You are writing a lie.

        Karabakh HAD NO right to secede from Azerbaijan. All decisions on this issue and all "referendums" were declared ILLEGAL. Those Azerbaijanis who were expelled from Karabakh do you not consider them people?

        You have completely false information and therefore false conclusions. And about the "evil stepmother" the same is true.
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 14 May 2016 10: 36 New
          +5
          Quote: Bakht
          We have already discussed this. You are writing a lie.

          Karabakh HAD NO right to secede from Azerbaijan. All decisions on this issue and all "referendums" were declared ILLEGAL. Those Azerbaijanis who were expelled from Karabakh do you not consider them people?

          You have completely false information and therefore false conclusions. And about the "evil stepmother" the same is true.

          The same Armenians were deported from Baku, Sumgait, etc. before leaving Azerbaijan from the USSR, etc. Based on your logic, the referendum in Nagorno-Karabakh was not valid because Azerbaijanis did not participate in it, we can say that your withdrawal from the USSR was not legal and unlawful, since the Armenians expelled from Azerbaijan did not participate in it. And besides, do not rush to put minuses to your opponent, no matter how unpleasant he seems to you. I, in any case, do not.
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 14 May 2016 10: 53 New
            +4
            I do not put cons. In rare cases, when it’s completely taken out. Your logic is not original. Azerbaijan in a referendum proclaimed the preservation of the USSR. Armenia generally refused to hold a referendum and was for the collapse of the country. Azerbaijan left the USSR when the country was no longer there. The deportation of Armenians from Baku was a consequence of your actions. No need to put the cart in front of the horse.
            But we come to a very interesting point. Why is Armenia against the referendum in Karabakh. Much will become clear. The untruth will come out right away.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 14 May 2016 14: 38 New
              0
              Azerbaijan proclaims preservation of USSR in referendum


              And why then did not remain part of Russia? Or compared to the USSR is not kosher?
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 14 May 2016 17: 10 New
                +3
                Another wise guy ... Russia itself has refused. Listen to your president, then write nonsense ...
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 15 May 2016 05: 03 New
                  0
                  Another wise guy ... Russia itself has refused. Listen to your president, then write nonsense ...


                  C'mon, no one bothered to remain part of Russia. And now it’s not too late to enter, if that.
                  1. Bakht
                    Bakht 15 May 2016 09: 25 New
                    +3
                    Once again, as a particularly gifted

                    Azerbaijan has never been a part of Russia. Like Armenia. Until 1917, there was the Russian Empire. But there was neither Azerbaijan nor Armenia. In the USSR there was a union of equal republics. Once again scratch your head and formulate your so-called thought. Who was part of Russia? And if you call back to the USSR, then your president has already said that you have no head. The video has already shown.
              2. uranium
                uranium 16 May 2016 00: 51 New
                0
                why Armenia voted to leave the USSR and then again decided to be part of Russia. Or the USSR is not kosher
            2. xtur
              xtur 14 May 2016 15: 47 New
              0
              > Armenia generally refused to hold a referendum and was in favor of the collapse of the country.

              Armenia just held a referendum in which people spoke out for secession from the USSR
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 14 May 2016 17: 17 New
                +2
                Correctly. What is said about. Who was the grave digger of the USSR? There were many of these. But one of the active was Armenia. A referendum on the preservation of the USSR in Armenia was not held.
                1. xtur
                  xtur 14 May 2016 17: 36 New
                  +1
                  > Who was the gravedigger of the USSR?

                  the grave digger of the USSR was native Soviet elites - since 1988 we have openly said that in Moscow we were supported by Yakovlev.

                  But what, the referendum on withdrawal from the USSR is not a form of referendum on the preservation of the USSR? Go crazy with this logic
                  1. Bakht
                    Bakht 14 May 2016 18: 09 New
                    +3
                    If this is one and the same, then Armenia refused to hold this referendum, and then held its own referendum for secession from the USSR. You need to know the history of your country ... Then the mind will remain in place. Together with the logic.
                    1. HERMES
                      HERMES 14 May 2016 20: 53 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Bakht
                      Then the mind will remain in place. Together with the logic.

                      And the head in some cases ... Armenians play with fire.
                    2. xtur
                      xtur 15 May 2016 00: 33 New
                      +1
                      > You need to know the history of your country

                      I know the history of my country well, although its origins are already reflected in the Bible - Eden is located in the Armenian Highlands. This part of the Bible, incidentally, is common to Muslims, Jews, and Christians.

                      PS. It is noticeable that you have no arguments, but you really want to object to something.
                    3. HERMES
                      HERMES 15 May 2016 01: 17 New
                      +3
                      Quote: xtur
                      I know the history of my country well, although its origins are already reflected in the Bible - Eden is located in the Armenian Highlands.


                      ... to which the Armenians have no relation in this time period.

                      Well, since we talked about this again ... I will repeat.

                      "11. I called for an EAGLE FROM THE EAST, from a distant land, the executor of My determination. I said, and I will carry it out; I have ordained it, and I will do it." Isaiah 48.



                      Reading the Bible literally ... will not understand it. Almost everyone sees in this book what he needs. And only a small number of people will discover the truth. For God there are no nations ... if some Turk killed an Armenian child, and after some Armenian killed a Turk child from revenge ... they will be judged both are the same.
                    4. xtur
                      xtur 15 May 2016 13: 37 New
                      +2
                      > ... to which in this time period the Armenians have no relation.

                      science has a different point of view

                      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/11/science/study-backs-5th-century-historians-dat
                      e-for-founding-of-armenia.html? smid = fb-share & _r = 0

                      > Whoever reads the Bible literally ... will not understand it.

                      how to interpret and read the Bible says Christian / Jewish / Muslim theology. And there is no objection to the fact that Eden was in the Armenian Highlands
                    5. Bakht
                      Bakht 15 May 2016 13: 55 New
                      +3
                      Actually, that is. According to the research of English scientists, Eden was in the region of Tabriz. And at least 25 places are indicated

                      This is if we assume that Eden even existed.
                    6. xtur
                      xtur 15 May 2016 14: 00 New
                      +1
                      > According to research by British scientists, Eden was located in the Tabriz region. And at least 25 places are also indicated

                      First, I talked about how the theologians interpret the Bible. And secondly, in the Bible, on the second page, it is written that the Tiger and the Euphrates flow from Eden.

                      That is, you can find 100500 places of Eden, and all of them will be in the Armenian Highlands, because only these rivers flow from there
                    7. HERMES
                      HERMES 15 May 2016 14: 08 New
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                      Quote: xtur
                      That is, you can find 100500 places of Eden, and all of them will be in the Armenian Highlands, because only these rivers flow from there


                      When was the name given to this highlands? Before or after writing this message? I am inclined to the second option.
                    8. Bakht
                      Bakht 15 May 2016 14: 25 New
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                      So to speak. Armenians claim that 2500 years exist. The Bible operates on a human age of 7 years. The first proto-Armenians appeared on this territory 000 years ago. Pay attention - not Armenians, but proto-Armenians.

                      I don’t understand why myths are discussed here. The Armenians have a direct road to Africa through the very link that my opponent provided.
                  2. Bakht
                    Bakht 15 May 2016 14: 13 New
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                    Well it just seems so. It says that 4 rivers flow.

                    I repeat once again - you don’t need to write nonsense ... Is the Bible a collection of historical facts? By the way, it does not fit with genetics. If the ancestral home of man is East Africa, then Eden is also located there. So the Armenians have a direct route to Sudan or Eritrea. You will find out more precisely on the spot.
                  3. uranium
                    uranium 16 May 2016 00: 56 New
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                    Judging by the alphabet in Ethiopia, it will be more accurate as they did, they turned over the Ethiopian writing opa And it became Armenian)))
                2. Bakht
                  Bakht 15 May 2016 14: 21 New
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                  The British historian, former director of the Institute for the Study of Interdisciplinary Sciences, David Rol, claims to have located the legendary Garden of Eden in the Iranian province of Azerbaijan in the vicinity of Tabriz, on the basis of which the tradition of the book of Genesis was based. According to David Rol, the Garden of Eden was located in a long valley north of the Sehend volcano, near Tabriz. He cites several geographical similarities and place names that he believes are consistent with the biblical description. These similarities include the nearby sources of the four rivers of Eden: the Tiger, Euphrates, Jeyhun (Heb. Gihon) and Phison
              2. HERMES
                HERMES 15 May 2016 14: 15 New
                +2
                Quote: Bakht
                Bakht

                Quote: Bakht
                xtur


                Oh, and both of you break off if you find traces of Eden somewhere in Zimbabwe)
              3. Bakht
                Bakht 15 May 2016 14: 26 New
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                No they will not find in Zimbabwe. It is already known that in Eritrea. True, there is also a version of Sudan. So the address is known.
              4. HERMES
                HERMES 15 May 2016 14: 56 New
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                Quote: Bakht
                No they will not find in Zimbabwe. It is already known that in Eritrea. True, there is also a version of Sudan. So the address is known.


                So ... it turns out we are all former "black-asses")
              5. Bakht
                Bakht 15 May 2016 15: 04 New
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                A bit wrong.
                I had either the good fortune or the misfortune to work in the West. I voiced my opinion directly to my superiors. "In their eyes, better to be a nigger than chernozhopym." This is probably one of the reasons why I don't work there anymore :-)

                So I always knew the difference between these words :-)
      2. HERMES
        HERMES 15 May 2016 14: 06 New
        +1
        .
        Quote: xtur
        xtur

        There is not a single mention of the Armenians in the Bible. Perhaps there is a mention of the Armenian Highlands under a different name ... but it is not said about the people who inhabited these lands
      3. xtur
        xtur 15 May 2016 14: 26 New
        +2
        > There is not a single mention of the Armenians in the Bible.

        but in the Sumerian texts, and in the texts of other peoples of the Middle East, there are references to the names of the Gods, which completely coincide with the self-name of the Armenians.

        But I made another, simpler argument - the result of genetic research published in the New York Times. As far as I understand, you can't read English. There we are talking about the fact that Armenian genetics developed around the middle of the third millennium BC - and these are the times when the Sumerians were still alive.


        Now briefly about why the Ottoman Empire did not cut Armenians, because this is a direct confirmation of my words about the Bible. The Ottoman Empire was a Muslim stateAnd not nation state Turks, and in it a huge influence on the authorities had the suffixes.
        For Islam, the place of Eden is as certain in the Armenian Highlands as it is for Christians and Jews. Therefore, they did not cut out the Armenians, everyone understood that it was impossible to remain a believer and so seriously violate religion.
        Transfer from empire к national state accompanied by the transition of support from religion to secular concepts - read sociology and political science. For nation state Turks Armenians do not play any spiritual role and are only competitors to the territory. So they were cut out

        I have been explaining all this for so long that you decide for yourself - you, and your people, atheists or believers.

        PS. Everything that I said about the Suffis and their influence on the power in the Ottoman Empire is easily verified on the Internet.

        PSPS I will not answer more in this topic - I have already cited all arguments, including scientific ones.
      4. HERMES
        HERMES 15 May 2016 15: 01 New
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        Quote: xtur
        Therefore, they did not cut out the Armenians, everyone understood that it was impossible to remain a believer and so seriously violate religion.


        Since when did the Armenians become Jews whom God chose as their people?
        Quote: xtur
        the result of genetic research published in the New York Times.


        Fuck what source of information from the ancient people ...
        Quote: xtur
        PSPS I will not answer more in this topic - I have already cited all arguments, including scientific ones.


        Bye ... peace to your home.
  5. Bakht
    Bakht 15 May 2016 09: 29 New
    +2
    Apparently many are gifted. A referendum on the CONSERVATION of the USSR was held in March 1991. In Armenia, it was banned and not carried out. Six months later, another referendum was held in Armenia - on the WITHDRAWAL of Armenia from the USSR. You don’t know the history of your country.

    When they begin to weave the Bible, this is a clinic. I don’t speak with such clinical patients. I want to ask one question - are you sure that Eden is the real thing? And is the Bible a collection of historically proven facts?

    PS What about the arguments you have? Well besides the Bible, of course.
  6. xtur
    xtur 15 May 2016 13: 49 New
    0
    > When they begin to braid the Bible, this is already a clinic.

    do not disgrace yourself, "smart guy". A nation is a political concept from the point of view of political science accepted in the West. And the nation is held together by a whole system of myths - in terms of technology

    The Bible describes the most important myth - about tree of life. Starting with the Sumerians in this region tree of life placed in the Armenian Highlands. In the Bible, this text, like the text about the flood, came from the Jews, who took it from the Sumerians.

    If your people are Muslim, they also accept this point of view.

    С you the whole problem is in one - in your limitless illiteracy.
  7. Bakht
    Bakht 15 May 2016 14: 17 New
    0
    If you do theology, then explain it all to theologians. The Bible is a collection of MYTHS and LEGENDS. Like the whole mythology of the Armenian kingdom and the ancestral home of all living things.

    In general, I always considered any religion - obscurantism. I was not mistaken. An example is right here. In front of everyone.

    I repeat for the smartest question. The percentage of Armenians in less than 20 years has changed from 20% to 98%. How did this happen? Since the beginning of the 19th century. Leave the Bible to someone else. Like genetics.
  8. garnik64
    garnik64 15 May 2016 23: 27 New
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    I repeat for the smartest question. The percentage of Armenians in less than 20 years has changed from 20% to 98%. How did this happen? Since the beginning of the 19th century.

    Adequate questions must be asked. Read what they wrote.
  9. Bakht
    Bakht 16 May 2016 00: 26 New
    +1
    The question is quite adequate. Just a toe fell out. If they answered right away, then they would not have to be repeated twice or thrice.

    Essentially there is something to answer?
  • visitork67
    visitork67 14 May 2016 20: 58 New
    +1
    Tell me for Sumgayit, or are memory failures tormenting?
  • Bakht
    Bakht 14 May 2016 10: 26 New
    +2
    Ignorance of the material is ABSOLUTE. Referendums in Scotland, Quebec do not pass, because they adhere to legal procedures. But you do not need to know this. Militant illiteracy and the right of the big baton is the only argument. All hysteria is only for the reason that now a big club in the hands of Azerbaijan.
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 14 May 2016 10: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: Bakht
      Ignorance of the material is ABSOLUTE. Referendums in Scotland, Quebec do not pass, because they adhere to legal procedures. But you do not need to know this. Militant illiteracy and the right of the big baton is the only argument. All hysteria is only for the reason that now a big club in the hands of Azerbaijan.

      Where is Azerbaijan and where is the law, you are not, that appealing to the law, you look very funny.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 14 May 2016 10: 55 New
        +1
        Calling for lawlessness, you do not look funny. You will find the term yourself. Armenia and the Law are where the humor is. I gave a link to your "constitution". You can laugh heartily
  • Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 14 May 2016 13: 17 New
    +6
    Quote: razmik72
    Karabakh has the same right
    Every nation (like any person) has this right. But the Azeri also have the right to "protect the territorial integrity" ..
    Speaking "about the right" it is unnecessary to forget about responsibility and consequences of one's decisions. It is not clear of course "Great Armenia", Ararat. But the first time it led to the genocide carried out by the Young Turks by the hands of the Kurds, and the second time to the mutual massacre of Azeri and Nairi ..
    I will give another example from the recent past from the history of Kyrgyzstan. The heads of the Uzbek mahali decided to take advantage of the weakness of the central government in Bishkek after the next "Maidan". The "right" to self-determination ended with the "Osh massacre".
    At the same time, I think in advance it was not difficult to guess how this would end.
    Armenians want independence of NKR and are ready to pay with the lives of their compatriots, well, this is their right and their choice ..
  • HERMES
    HERMES 14 May 2016 20: 26 New
    0
    Quote: razmik72
    Karabakh has the same right to secede from Azerbaijan as Azerbaijan seized and seceded from the USSR.


    Who gave such a right? Armenians themselves? If Karabakh has the right to secede from the republic ... then what bald almost the whole world does not recognize the NKR ... and recognizes these territories as territories under the jurisdiction and control of Azerbaijan completely and completely?
  • uranium
    uranium 16 May 2016 00: 48 New
    +1
    When was Azerbaijan leaving the USSR ?? Or your memory is short just the same Armenia held a referendum on secession from the USSR, with 99% voting for secession from the USSR.
    Azerbaijan 95% for the preservation of the USSR. Google in your hands


    The Azerbaijanis who lived there were not people? I understand when your national and state policy is built on hatred of Azerbaijanis, well, at least some common sense should remain.
  • alicante11
    alicante11 14 May 2016 14: 36 New
    +2

    We will return our and then give our advice to the Armenians. In the meantime, everything goes to war


    Yes, you will not return, the gut is thin.


    Your watch was stolen. Humble yourself and live peacefully. Why do we need the police, the court and so on ... Well, the logic ....


    We haven’t been stolen from our watches, half of the country has been taken away from us, but for some reason we don’t require all 14 republics to march back to the successor of the USSR.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 14 May 2016 17: 21 New
      -2
      Again. Half the country has not been stolen from you. Her drunk drank. And your friends, the Armenians stole. Ask them from them. A grateful Russians shook off a center for their drunk. And the Armenians are your allies. All claims go there. Azerbaijan has nothing to do with it.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 15 May 2016 05: 04 New
        +1
        Again. Half the country has not been stolen from you. Her drunk drank.


        Well, that means your 20% also dried up some drunk.
        1. HERMES
          HERMES 15 May 2016 13: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: alicante11
          Well, that means your 20% also dried up some drunk.


          Our 20% fooled, sold by our own traitors. We have scum as everywhere else too.
  • Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 14 May 2016 06: 19 New
    -1
    It is time to stop this squabble, and again start to visit each other as good neighbors.
    1. Karasik
      Karasik 14 May 2016 06: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: Spartanez300
      It is time to stop this squabble, and again start to visit each other as good neighbors.

      Your words, of course, are correct, but there is no recipe: how? It's the same as "May there be peace in the world!" Sometimes we cannot establish peace in one entrance, on one staircase, but here the scale is completely different.
      1. Spartanez300
        Spartanez300 14 May 2016 12: 23 New
        0
        This is just a wish to two neighbors.
      2. garnik64
        garnik64 14 May 2016 15: 28 New
        +1
        Annul the Moscow Treaty between Bolshevik Russia and Turkey.
    2. HERMES
      HERMES 14 May 2016 20: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Spartanez300
      It is time to stop this squabble, and again start to visit each other as good neighbors.


      I wish you the same with Ukraine.
  • The Little Humpbacked Horse
    The Little Humpbacked Horse 14 May 2016 06: 36 New
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    And yet, whatever one may say, it didn’t turn out well with the sale of arms to Azerbaijan. It was necessary to politely refuse and our hands would be clean. And now, having enough weapons, Aliyev will clearly want to put it into circulation
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 14 May 2016 07: 25 New
      +6
      I always wrote in vain we sell weapons to Azerbaijan. This weapon will become an apple of discord
      1. HERMES
        HERMES 14 May 2016 20: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: Siberia 9444
        I always wrote in vain we sell weapons to Azerbaijan. This weapon will become an apple of discord


        Everyone perfectly understood and understands why this weapon was purchased and where it will be used.

        As for the apple of contention ... the sale of advanced weapons like the Su-35 of China could become the seed from which the apple of disaster will grow for Russia. You will understand what I mean if you can look deeper.
    2. Vaha
      Vaha 14 May 2016 08: 20 New
      +3
      Of course I don’t like this deal, but weapons are both influence and money. Money does not smell despite the fact that in the Russian warehouses there are a lot of weapons that are either scrapped or donated by Armenia. I think Putin knows how to maintain balance.
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 14 May 2016 06: 49 New
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    Moscow’s attempt to take a strongly neutral stance in the light of the existence of the CSTO looks somewhat strange.

    I note to the author that no one attacked the CSTO member of Armenia, didn’t threaten, moreover, Armenia itself didn’t even officially recognize the NKR. So it is precisely the claims of the author that look strange.
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 14 May 2016 10: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Aleksander
      Moscow’s attempt to take a strongly neutral stance in the light of the existence of the CSTO looks somewhat strange.

      I note to the author that no one attacked the CSTO member of Armenia, didn’t threaten, moreover, Armenia itself didn’t even officially recognize the NKR. So it is precisely the claims of the author that look strange.

      Formally, of course, no one attacked Armenia, if you pretend to be a hose, then this can be considered, only about a hundred dead soldiers were brought not to your home, but to my country.
      1. Fatih88
        Fatih88 14 May 2016 10: 18 New
        +2
        It’s not Russia’s fault that 100 killed soldiers from Armenia died in Karabakh.
      2. Bakht
        Bakht 14 May 2016 10: 29 New
        -3
        And what did your soldiers do in Jabrail or in Karabakh? On Azerbaijani soil
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 14 May 2016 11: 00 New
          +6
          Quote: Bakht
          And what did your soldiers do in Jabrail or in Karabakh? On Azerbaijani soil

          Our soldiers defended the Karabakh Armenians from the new genocide that the Transcaucasian Turks would have done if they could break into the territory of Karabakh, seeing how you defend the Anatolian Turks with great enthusiasm, saying with foam at the mouth that there was no Armenian genocide and the Armenians themselves came up with all this, not realizing that the 1915 genocide of the year became a prologue to the Karabakh war and divided not only Anatolian Turks and Armenians, but also you and me.
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 14 May 2016 11: 05 New
            +2
            Lies in every word. Russians say "would" get in the way. Nobody in Karabakh was going to arrange any genocide. Tying 1915 to 1988 is possible only in a sick imagination. I have never spoken out on the 1915 genocide. This is also your lie. Ascribe something to an opponent that he never said. By the way, Armenians were killed mainly by Kurds. With whom you are friends now.

            I voiced my vision of the situation. Occupants died on Azerbaijani soil. Do not leave themselves go to the coffins.
            1. Stavros
              Stavros 14 May 2016 11: 21 New
              +4
              Well, at once everyone believed you that there would be no massacre. And the killed old people in Talish, in addition to which their ears were cut off, and the soldier’s head, which they drove through the villages and showed to everyone. So you don’t have to hang noodles here, cavalryman.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 14 May 2016 11: 26 New
                +1
                As always, unconfirmed fabrications. There are a lot of noodles. According to Goebbels, "lies must be incredible"
                1. garnik64
                  garnik64 14 May 2016 22: 32 New
                  +1
                  This scum, which cut off the head of a soldier of military service of the Armenian Armed Forces of Yezidi origin. I will not write horror stories, but I will envy what is done with the killed Armenian fighters. All this is recorded.
            2. razmik72
              razmik72 14 May 2016 11: 35 New
              +4
              Bakht, can you explain to me how two peoples in one state can coexist after everything that was between them, how this is possible in principle, although when I see how Azerbaijanis and we live in Georgia, sometimes I want to believe that a miracle is possible. I I do not claim that it was you who argued that there was no genocide, but on this site a frequent visitor from St. Petersburg is an Azerbaijani, he often confirmed this. I had no special intention to offend you.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 14 May 2016 11: 53 New
                +2
                If you want a real solution to the problem, then unlike Khramchikhin, I have it. But for this it is necessary to clearly and clearly define the position in the first place.

                What is the main goal of Armenia and what is the main goal of Azerbaijan. And do not eat unverified rumors and deliberate lies.

                By the way, on the situation in Georgia. Azerbaijanis in Georgia do not live cloudless. Just like the Armenians claim to Javakheti. This is what I heard. But Georgia does not interest me.

                The Karabakh conflict has a solution, if you clearly know what the parties to the conflict want. And openly declare this.

                So far for the seed. The April activity was intended to show the falsity of some of the statements. And she achieved her goals. First, the conflict is not frozen. Second, there is no "safety belt".
              2. Yeraz
                Yeraz 14 May 2016 13: 43 New
                +2
                Quote: razmik72
                Bakht, can you explain to me how two nations can coexist in one state after everything that was between them, how is this possible in principle

                Looks like an example of Turkey. Are there Armenians? IS. There are not few visitors from Armenia itself, so those who began to recognize their roots over the past 5 years.
                And everyone lives peacefully and in Russia. And they try to do business not with their fellow countrymen, but vice versa. An Armenian with an Azerbaijani and vice versa.
                And the Baku Armenians are generally Azerbaijanis with the names of YAN, the culture of Azerbaijan is so absorbed that my mother does not grieve.

                And there may be one solution for the future. If we talk about a PEACEFUL decision. In general, the Türks have a short memory, like a Türk say. If the Armenians voluntarily give Karabakh, believe me, they will quickly hug everyone who will accuse a couple of individuals and most likely Russia of setting fire to the war and not allowing it and will gradually live peacefully.
                After all, even those Armenians and Azerbaijanis who were born in their independent countries served in their armies, including on the FRONT, upon arrival in Russia, after a little inconvenience, they calmly continue to communicate and make friends. I have often observed this picture.
                But if Karabakh is returned by FORCE, then many will have a winner’s syndrome, plus a huge number of victims that will have to be given for this victory for a long time will be an obstacle to the peace of 2 nations.
                1. razmik72
                  razmik72 14 May 2016 14: 41 New
                  +2
                  I do not deny that in today's Turkey, Armenians get along peacefully with the Turks, and after the first Karabakh war, I often go to Georgia for business to feed my family. The first time I drove to the market in Marneuli, to buy fresh fruit, I thought that my car with Armenian numbers would be crushed, in this city almost 100% were Azerbaijanis. To my great surprise, the car turned out to be purposeful and since then I often go to the Marneul market for fruits. This phenomenon me I have always been interested, and often I’m trying to understand myself, why does this people in Georgia not get along well with each other? I can find no other explanation than the fact that local politicians stir up water on both sides.
                  1. Bakht
                    Bakht 14 May 2016 17: 24 New
                    +1
                    So think about it at your leisure. Do not touch the politicians. They do not go to the market.
      3. Aleksander
        Aleksander 14 May 2016 11: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: razmik72
        Formally, of course, no one attacked Armenia, if you pretend to be a hose, then this can be considered, only about a hundred dead soldiers were brought not to your home, but to my country.


        I understand and sympathize with you, but Russia does not have an agreement with the NKR, but has with Armenia, which SAMA, in the first place, did not recognize the NKR. HOW, even theoretically, could Russia help?
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 14 May 2016 12: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: Aleksander
          Quote: razmik72
          Formally, of course, no one attacked Armenia, if you pretend to be a hose, then this can be considered, only about a hundred dead soldiers were brought not to your home, but to my country.


          I understand and sympathize with you, but Russia does not have an agreement with the NKR, but has with Armenia, which SAMA, in the first place, did not recognize the NKR. HOW, even theoretically, could Russia help?

          But Russia should have clearly stated this, otherwise our government would not let anyone open their mouths to legitimate questions, for example, to the question of several perplexed MPs about the fact that it makes no sense to extend the lease on the Russian base in the city of Gyumri by 50 years in such a hurry and, in addition, until the expiration of the lease, there are still ten years left, our authorities enthusiastically sang fables that this base will protect Karabakh smile from Azerbaijanis, even the sale of cellular communications to a Russian company was justified by the need to protect Karabakh. Not everyone, of course, believed in these tales, your humble servant did not believe this and urged you not to rely on anyone but yourself, but most people believed the tales of their rulers, which, by the way, is not surprising, if a person takes out his brains every day, then he will start to believe in anything. For examples, walking is far from necessary - this is an example of young Russians who were so brainwashed that they became Ukrainians and fight with their own brothers.
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      5. HERMES
        HERMES 14 May 2016 21: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: razmik72
        Formally, of course, no one attacked Armenia, if you pretend to be a hose, then this can be considered, only about a hundred dead soldiers were brought not to your home, but to my country.


        And what the hell are your soldiers hanging around in the territories of Azerbaijan recognized by the whole world?
  • Horst78
    Horst78 14 May 2016 07: 54 New
    +1
    There is one well-known domestic site, which began its activity by recording losses in technology during the war in the Donbass, but then covered other current conflicts.
    I wonder what site he means repeat
  • the finish
    the finish 14 May 2016 08: 16 New
    +1
    In reality, there are about 100 casualties on each side, and Azerbaijan has 41 special forces from the elite Yashma unit.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 14 May 2016 08: 24 New
    -1
    Two stubborn leaders do not want to resolve the conflict in essence, puffing like peacocks. There is always a way out; you need the will to find solutions, and not the desire to fill the neighbor’s face.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 14 May 2016 08: 27 New
    -1
    Bullshit all this article and the author himself. The recipe exists. If the author does not know him, then there is no need to engage in chatter. The recipe is simple. And already voiced a hundred times. The liberation of the occupied areas and the guarantee of security of Nagorno-Karabakh by peacekeepers.

    Then there will be no war. And the so-called "security belt" makes war inevitable. You have to think about it. So that we are not attacked, we seize foreign territory. Khramchikhin was either paid well or he was a complete idiot

    And he strongly lied to the analysis of the capabilities of the opposing armies. Azerbaijan did not use the main forces in the April clashes. The second point in which the author is greatly mistaken is Russia's ability to influence the conflict. The unresolved conflict severely limits the capabilities of the Russian Federation in the South Caucasus. In any case, the possibilities of Russia in the confrontation with Turkey can be forgotten. As well as transport corridors with Iran.

    In general, the article minus
    1. Qyomur
      Qyomur 14 May 2016 09: 37 New
      +3
      There is no recipe and cannot be. What guarantees? Who will give guarantees? Who will believe the guarantees?
      Under the current world realities, there is no guarantee that even when sending a truck with feces, it will reach its destination. The only guarantee for any country is a strong army and the fighting spirit of the people.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 14 May 2016 09: 45 New
        +4
        This is the path to war. When you say "strong army and fighting spirit," don't forget about the other side. Your arguments (or rather their complete absence) makes the war inevitable.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 14 May 2016 14: 54 New
          -1
          This is the path to war. When you say "strong army and fighting spirit," don't forget about the other side. Your arguments (or rather their complete absence) makes the war inevitable.


          So you have no more. Give NK and we will forgive everyone, well, except for some who are "to blame". The same is with the Armenians. Admit it and we will all forgive and even without reservations about "some".
        2. Victorio
          Victorio 14 May 2016 15: 43 New
          -1
          Quote: Bakht
          This is the path to war. When you say "strong army and fighting spirit," don't forget about the other side. Your arguments (or rather their complete absence) makes the war inevitable.

          ==
          the situation is one to one with the Crimea. offer the Russian Federation to liberate the "occupied" territory, and return Kosovo to Serbia
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 14 May 2016 17: 33 New
            +1
            Have you carefully read what I'm writing? Or catch a glimpse? Kosovo, Scotland, Quebec, Crimea, Donbass, Cyprus, the list is endless ... they have one single solution. But only when it comes to self-determination.

            In all other conditions, this is war.
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 14 May 2016 14: 53 New
      0

      The recipe exists. If the author does not know him, then there is no need to engage in chatter.
      The liberation of the occupied areas and the guarantee of security of Nagorno-Karabakh by peacekeepers.


      In fact, it is not the author who does the chatter. He announced that the "recipe" given by you is unacceptable for Armenians. And the reasons, guarantees - that's another matter.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 14 May 2016 17: 34 New
        +1
        And what is "unacceptable"?
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 15 May 2016 05: 34 New
          0
          And what is "unacceptable"?


          The fact that they consider this land their own as well as you.
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 15 May 2016 09: 37 New
            +2
            I would discuss this topic with you, but you managed to make such a blatant ignorance that it makes no sense to even begin. I wrote many times that this land is common. Both Armenians and Azerbaijanis. Therefore, we have so few differences. We have almost common music, cuisine, mentality. We live in the same climatic conditions and therefore we have the same stereotype of behavior. The solution exists. But the problem is not in general living. The problem is in Great Armenia. And this is already unacceptable.

            All according to Freud. Those nations that are very similar to each other hate each other the most. There are so few differences that one has to look for them in denial. The main criterion is the denial of the enemy. I am not Armenian, says an Azerbaijani. I am not a Turk, says an Armenian. I am not a Serb speaking Croat, I am not Russian speaking Ukrainian. Everywhere in the first place is NOT.

            Think about it. Although it seems to me it is useless.
            1. HERMES
              HERMES 15 May 2016 13: 09 New
              +2
              Quote: Bakht
              Those nations that are very similar to each other hate each other the most.


              You can’t say more precisely. What about the common between both peoples ... the fact that the Armenians and Azerbaijanis coexist together, suggests that only nationalists, pseudo-patriots and politicians are muddling the water, because we coexisted peacefully for centuries ... who is to blame that this is no longer? You cannot blame the guilty .... they have long rotted in the ground.
            2. xtur
              xtur 15 May 2016 13: 25 New
              0
              > I have written many times that this land is common. Both Armenians and Azerbaijanis. That is why we have so few differences. We have almost common music, cuisine, mentality.

              this is because you have adopted all the best - from the Armenians, the most powerful people of these places. And you were nomads, music and cuisine require a settled lifestyle.

              So they should respect the elders, and not listen to different provocateurs - Turkey. Yezidis live in Armenia for centuries, and have no problems
              1. HERMES
                HERMES 15 May 2016 13: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: xtur
                music and cuisine require a settled lifestyle.


                Gypsies will look at you crookedly if you say it in their presence wink
                1. xtur
                  xtur 15 May 2016 13: 54 New
                  0
                  > Gypsies will look at you wryly if you say it in their presence

                  Gypsies disappeared in Armenia ... or left.

                  But to look crookedly is not enough - one must be able to prove that all their music and cuisine are original, not borrowed.
                  1. HERMES
                    HERMES 15 May 2016 14: 19 New
                    +2
                    Quote: xtur
                    But to look crookedly is not enough - one must be able to prove that all their music and cuisine are original, not borrowed.

                    Jazz ... American jazz .... in its original form was once the folk music of African tribes.

                    This only emphasizes that you, too (like absolutely everything) may have borrowed from someone in due time.
              2. Bakht
                Bakht 15 May 2016 13: 59 New
                +1
                There is so much nonsense here. Read more and your stupid things are a pity and time and effort. Level just below the baseboard

                "The strongest people of these places" did not have their homeland for 1500 years. From the word in general. And "Great Armenia" was a buffer state that existed, God forbid, for 25-30 years. All.

                Do you know the translation of the word diaspora?
                1. xtur
                  xtur 15 May 2016 14: 02 New
                  0
                  > "The most powerful people of these places" 1500 years did not have their homeland.

                  I gave the link that the history of the Armenian people begins from the third millennium BC. that is, the history of our people totals about 4 years (try to list how many living peoples you have with such a long history in the world). With such a duration, dips can be long
                  1. HERMES
                    HERMES 15 May 2016 14: 23 New
                    0
                    Quote: xtur
                    I gave the link that the history of the Armenian people begins from the third millennium BC. that is, the history of our people has approximately 4 years.


                    What is left of you from that people? If the Armenians behaved all these 4500 years as they are now ... then they would have disappeared before the period of the Roman Empire. You as Greeks ... the history is great ... and the descendants are a disgrace.
                  2. Bakht
                    Bakht 15 May 2016 14: 41 New
                    +1
                    One of the hallmarks of the people is language. List how many Armenians know the ancient Armenian language? It is possible on the fingers of one hand

                    I once wrote on this site for a long time what fascism is. I repeat. In Germany in 1933, the law on the purity of the race was passed. It took 4 generations. That is 100 years old. 4500 years is exactly 45 times more. That is, they outdid 45 times the racists who were tried in Nuremberg.

                    So, who can prove to me that proto-Armenians 4500 years ago and modern Armenians are a continuous chain? And who will tell me that this is generally changing at the moment?
                    1. HERMES
                      HERMES 15 May 2016 15: 03 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Bakht
                      So who will prove to me


                      Anyone, but not the Armenians.
                      1. Bakht
                        Bakht 15 May 2016 15: 13 New
                        0
                        Our conversation turned to theology and philology. In principle, it’s even good to be distracted. So I know for sure that when my friend decided to go to Turkey to teach at the university there (not all Azerbaijanis are rams), he had to learn the Turkish language. It was in the very beginning of the 90s. And even then I realized that the Turks and Azerbaijanis are not one people. At the bazaar, I can also talk to them. But I cannot give lectures in mathematics or physics. Because I DO NOT OWN Turkish.
                        I visited Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, talked with the Tatars and Bashkirs. All of them use the Turkic language group. But no one considers himself a Turk.

                        And for how many years now I have seen attempts by Armenians to make Turks out of Azerbaijanis. While language has differences, religion has differences. History, culture is all different. What is the reason? Yes, just the Armenians profitable to have us enemies. And to have many enemies is hard to explain. So we are pulled into genocide and other things. Although no one can explain what Azerbaijanis have to do with the genocide. Advocacy for the whole head.
                      2. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 15 May 2016 15: 41 New
                        0
                        Quote: Bakht
                        And even then I realized that the Turks and Azerbaijanis are not one people. At the bazaar, I can also talk to them. But I cannot give lectures in mathematics or physics.

                        Wrong perception. I, too, will not be able to give a lecture in physics and mathematics in Azerbaijan and I will have to learn the mathematical and physical terms in Azerbaijani, but this does not mean that I am not Azerbaijani.
                        We are 1 people, but just the pronunciation is different and in Turkey itself different regions say different things and an Azerbaijani, for example, will understand better than a Turk from another Turk.
                        Take our Nakhchivans, and there the Azerbaijani will at some point say Che ???
                        And the Turks, as they are talking right now, started after the Ataturk reform, and this does not mean that we have ceased to be one nation.
                        I especially understood this for myself on the example of the Uzbeks, when I did not understand what they were saying, more precisely in chunks, and after 2 weeks they understood each other freely and whereby everyone continued to speak their own dialect, they are Uzbek and we are Azerbaijani.
                        Therefore, these propaganda about the alienation and separation of the Turkic peoples will not work; a new generation, a generation of independent countries, a generation of the information world and Soviet propaganda methods for separating the Turks will grow weaker.
                        A generation of still Soviet people will die and the process will accelerate even more, as in Turkey, when the generation oh we are all Muslims, all people are equal.

                        The poll in Turkey who you consider an ally of Turkey was indicative.
                        He noted 1 important detail for himself, all Turks older than 40 and above said in 90% of Muslim countries.
                        And all youth of 18-30 years old in 90% named AZERBAIJAN.
                        This is a natural process and cannot be stopped, no matter how everyone tries to distance themselves from their Turkic blood and come up with mythical Azeri. There are the state of Azerbaijan and the peoples of Azerbaijan, the basis of which are the Türks and the Turkic language.
                      3. Bakht
                        Bakht 15 May 2016 15: 52 New
                        +1
                        Politics and ethnography are different things. Turkey is our ally. I don't forget about this for a minute. This is the country that supports us. And I personally heard B. Vakhabzade's thesis. But in ethnography we are different. We don't have many similarities. The language is similar. Very similar. But this is not one language. Religion is different. The history is different. The same Vakhabzadeh was reasonably answered that while listening to him, Shah Ismail should turn over in his grave. And how many invasions of the Ottoman Empire were on Azerbaijan? According to eyewitnesses, after the invasion of Turkish troops, "Tabriz was empty of Tabriz residents." All this was long ago. A long time ago.

                        So I pay tribute to Turkey, but still it’s hard for me to consider us to be one people having a common history and culture.

                        By the way, one of the reasons why I consider Erdogan to be a donkey is because he is leading Turkey to collapse. The back leg of a donkey he and the ashes on his head.
                      4. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 15 May 2016 16: 14 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Bakht
                        We do not have many similarities. The language is similar. Very similar

                        This is 1 language with different pronunciation.
                        Quote: Bakht
                        Religion is different.

                        ?????????????????? And which of us has ceased to be in ISLAM and has switched to another religion ???

                        Quote: Bakht
                        The same Vakhabzadeh was reasonably answered that while listening to him, Shah Ismail should turn over in his grave. And how many invasions of the Ottoman Empire were on Azerbaijan? According to eyewitnesses, after the invasion of Turkish troops, "Tabriz was empty of the Tabriz people." All this was long ago. A long time ago.

                        THIS IS NATURAL !!! Russian princes also soundly slaughtered each other and that which principality ceased to be Russian ?? This is a normal process. There were 2 empires and not a single force that could fight them and it is clear that these 2 empires began to fight among themselves for influence.
                        And when other enemies began to appear around, 2 imperia stopped fighting among themselves.
                        Quote: Bakht
                        So I pay tribute to Turkey, but still it’s hard for me to consider us to be one people having a common history and culture.

                        You are a person of a different generation and a different culture, and this is normal. I remember how my father was forced to watch the Turkish series for a long time, what he shouted at, but I don’t understand anything, a week later he stopped asking what he said in the series and he hears freely and watching.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        By the way, one of the reasons why I consider Erdogan to be a donkey is because he is leading Turkey to collapse. The back leg of a donkey he and the ashes on his head.

                        Erdogan oslina is still mildly said. All his smiles towards Azerbaijan are a farce, everyone remembers that he was trying to scarf with the Armenians and open the border.
                        He ruined the tourism sector, trained fighters die without leaving the car and not entering into battle with the enemy.
                        With him it became possible to humiliate Turk and Turkey in TURKEY MOST !!
                        God grant that he change his mind or that he finds himself in such conditions that he could not do what he wants.
                        Ask why you don’t want his replacement, I wish. But so far only the options described above are possible, I don’t see the ways of mixing it yet. In Turkey he has real support. I personally observed this, as in the actively believing environment of Muslims in Russia.
                      5. Bakht
                        Bakht 15 May 2016 16: 26 New
                        +2
                        It’s true that I am a person of a different generation. The friendship of nations was firmly injected into me. The last 25 years have been knocked back.

                        We will not argue. Just this shows that people can have different opinions. Not only because of this, each other's throat is cut.

                        I remembered the film "Andrei Rublev" by Tarkovsky. Just an episode about Russian princes. They were enemies to each other until the state of Russia appeared. And before that, like the Turks and I were very different. Since childhood, I liked this film. And most of all I was struck by the phrase of a Russian soldier to another Russian soldier "Vladimir bastard."

                        About religion. I do not consider Sunnis and Shiites to be one religion. Let's say Catholics and Orthodox are also probably Christians. But no one canceled the crusade against schismatics. Religion is different. Therefore, ISIS so cuts Shiites. If Christians still have a chance to be saved, then there is no Shiite. For any Salafi, a Christian is mistaken, and Shiite is a traitor.

                        By the way, this just shows the degree of literacy of those "smart guys" that see ISIS in Azerbaijan.
                      6. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 15 May 2016 16: 45 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Bakht
                        Not only because of this, each other's throat is cut.

                        Sorry of course, but some opinions need to be cut. But this is my opinion.
                        Quote: Bakht
                        About religion. I do not consider Sunnis and Shiites to be one religion.

                        Honestly, I don’t know how much you are an expert on religion.
                        But one thing I know for sure is Turkish Sunnism and Arabian Sunnism are two different things.
                        And Turkish Sunnism is much closer to Shiism, since there are many elements of Sufism and there is no such radicalism as in Igil. In the Caucasus, the Turkish version of Sunnism was destroyed by the Soviets. Right now in the Caucasus, the Arab version, the older generation is Soviet, like you are far from religion, and the new hammered into the head the Arabic version.
                        On TV, I often saw insanely respectful relations with Imam Ali and Imam Hussein, and when I was there I established myself in this. In the Caucasus, most people have no idea who Imam Ali is, not just praising him. And Imam Hussein is generally a complete ignore, but Omar and Abu Bakr are on everyone’s lips.
                        Therefore, do not judge about Sunnism by looking at Igil and the space of Russia. In Turkey, the situation is completely different, and the youth of Turkey is generally different.

                        By the way, they did not notice that Yigil from Sunni Turkey with a population of 80 million, there are much fewer recruits than from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and other much smaller Sunni countries.
                        It’s not so easy for people to steam Igilov’s nonsense, because the brains there didn’t go through such a washing as in the USSR.
  • Tusv
    Tusv 14 May 2016 08: 31 New
    0
    Quote: Shakespeare
    Plague on both your houses
    Because of these overhaul, I was not able to serve on the c300. There was an important plant in Stepanakert
  • Fatih88
    Fatih88 14 May 2016 08: 33 New
    +1
    The article, as always, is about the same thing. But I want to ask the author a question. Armenia is Russia's ODBC ally. This is clear. But what does ODBC have to do with Karabakh? And so that the author would understand Azerbaijan could not support Russia with the Crimean issue because we have a problem in Karabakh. That would be a mistake for us. So we did not recognize Kosovo and Armenia recognized them not dependent on Serbia. We did not support Russia on the issue of Crimea but supported in the vote in the EU parliament. But apparently the author did not want to write about this on purpose. As I say, the article, as always, is about the same thing. )))
    1. Stavros
      Stavros 14 May 2016 11: 42 New
      +1
      Believe me, the Serbs know very well that if you didn’t have the Karabakh problem, you would immediately recognize Kosovo. And the Cypriots are well aware that you would also recognize the TRNC.
      1. Fatih88
        Fatih88 14 May 2016 13: 00 New
        +4
        But the point is that they did not recognize.
    2. garnik64
      garnik64 14 May 2016 15: 43 New
      -2
      Armenia did not recognize Kosovo. It's a lie.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 14 May 2016 08: 59 New
    -2
    Until now, no one could specifically, without political demagogy, explain how to resolve this conflict peacefully.

    Some nonsense. There is a solution, it has long been successfully worked out by other countries around the world, including Russia, and more than once - Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Crimea. You just need to allow Armenia to recognize the NKR as an independent territory and include it in its structure. Who interferes and expressly forbids her to do this is easily google.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 14 May 2016 09: 18 New
      +2
      Of course it’s easy to google. Firstly, the Constitution of Armenia interferes. Secondly, it is immediately a war. The very next day.
      And such a trifle as the UN Charter also interferes. On the second day, the question of Armenia’s membership in the UN will be raised.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 14 May 2016 14: 59 New
        +2
        And such a trifle as the UN Charter also interferes. On the second day, the question of Armenia’s membership in the UN will be raised.


        Oh, they made fun. Something no one in the UN raised the question of when Russia annexed Crimea. Or when Kosovo was chopped off from the Serbs to all NATOs, or when Iraq was rolled out, or when Libya was torn to shreds. The UN is zero without a stick. Because 90% of its members dance to the tune of amers, and the rest have the right to "veto", or they can be covered by such a right on their part.
  • Qyomur
    Qyomur 14 May 2016 09: 11 New
    +2
    Many people ask the question: what does the Collective Security Treaty Organization have to do with Karabakh. Can't you see the answer that floats on the surface itself?
    I will explain in a few words, and draw your own conclusions. Karabakh with the Armenian population, Armenia protecting compatriots from Karabakh, vital interests, the threat of genocide of the Armenians of Karabakh.
    If Russia has interests almost all over the world (including vital), then Armenia has a real geopolitical one - Karabakh. If the CSTO cannot support one of the participants in protecting its sole interest, then what is it about? Moreover, this in no way threatens the security of other members of the bloc.
    According to the article - in many respects I consider the conclusions of the author relevant. The situation is currently stalemate. Given the superiority in technology, the Azerbaijani army is not so motivated and combat ready to be able to achieve impressive results in a short time. Only a war of attrition (God forbid it happen) will be able to show the true combat effectiveness and effectiveness of the parties. The article does not take into account the presence of tactical systems that can and will play a significant role in a possible conflict. As for losses, real losses are apparently much larger than what is officially recognized by both parties. And the argument is no longer appropriate for anyone. My personal opinion (based on personal information and analysis of leaked messages from the contact line) of the loss of the Azerbaijani side is significantly higher than those indicated in official reports and world statistical agencies.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 14 May 2016 12: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Qyomur
      If the CSTO cannot support one of the participants in protecting its sole interest, then what is it about?

      But who knows what interests! This is called the heat of others to rake in! What does the CSTO have to do with Karabakh? Now, when Karabakh becomes Armenia, then Russia and the rest of the CSTO will stand up to defend the Armenian territory! Note, Russia did not demand recognition of Ossetia, Abkhazia, and Crimea from anyone! Russia is not twisting its arms to other members of the CSTO, forcing to defend its interests!
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 14 May 2016 15: 06 New
      +4
      Many people ask the question: what does the Collective Security Treaty Organization have to do with Karabakh. Can't you see the answer that floats on the surface itself?


      Yes, nothing to do with it. We only need this CSTO as a bridgehead for troops. All the same, no one will scratch himself in order to help Russia. I repeat, no one even formally declared war on Georgia in response to the killed Russian peacekeepers. But at the same time, everyone expects that we will protect him from outside troubles. Yes, we will, but not because we "love" you, but because it is beneficial to us. But the NKR problem, apparently, is not of interest to the RF authorities and therefore this problem remains the problem of Armenia, at least until it threatens Yerevan and our base.
    3. garnik64
      garnik64 14 May 2016 15: 56 New
      0
      According to the Ostkraft analytical center, the real losses of Azerbaijan are about 800 .... And Armenians, 102 fighters today, since the start of hostilities.
      1. Fatih88
        Fatih88 14 May 2016 17: 51 New
        +2
        800 rub? Why write so little? Let's rub 2500)))
        1. garnik64
          garnik64 14 May 2016 22: 52 New
          0
          About 2500 losses, it was your collective farmers who yelled over the phone, intercepted by Armenian signalmen.
      2. HERMES
        HERMES 14 May 2016 21: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: garnik64
        According to the Ostkraft analytical center, the real losses of Azerbaijan are about 800 .... And Armenians, 102 fighters today, since the start of hostilities.


        Firstly ... I know quite accurately that the casualties in manpower in the ratio of 1d1. In armored vehicles ~ 15k1 in favor of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces. The trick is that we practically did not use artillery. The Armenians raised everyone they could ... " "a large transfer of Azerbaijan's military equipment to the front-line zone. The strikes were applied ~ 0-3% of the possible. In the event of a strike, 5% of the possible ... the infrastructure of the NKR would be destroyed in 90-1 hours. In the event of the complete elimination of long-range weapons of war of Armenians , the NKR army would find itself in a meat grinder from which almost no one could leave.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 15 May 2016 04: 48 New
          0
          Then why didn’t you even take Stepanokert?
          Your data is either not correct or false. The reason is simple. If you did not use artillery, you had to actively use tanks and they would suffer heavy losses. The Armenian defense is saturated with anti-tank weapons. And without artillery support, tank losses would have been colossal. I can believe that you can destroy a bunch of Armenian tanks with "spikes". But I don’t believe that without artillery support it is possible to suppress the firing points of defense, saturated with anti-tank equipment.
        2. Otshelnik
          Otshelnik 16 May 2016 14: 14 New
          +1
          Come on, don’t pay attention ... those who have the brains eat everything know. And these are just members of the crowd, they themselves don’t know what and how happened. In general, it’s good that they consider themselves winners. It’s profitable for us. For them, the 4 days of April are like a misunderstanding.) Excellent! This means that they won’t recover from the shock of a real large-scale war! And those who have brains from them already know that the remnants of their statehood are at risk. You know the situation with them reminds me in many ways of the end of the 80s and the beginning of the 90s with us. We were able to get out and not just get out, but asserted ourselves, strengthened and got on their feet. And if I can, I don’t know, I doubt it very much.
          P.S. Negotiations will not succeed even if there is some kind of agreement, everyone knows that there will be a war, the only question is when will this happen ...
      3. Otshelnik
        Otshelnik 16 May 2016 13: 56 New
        +1
        Wake up, here are not classmates))))
  • Bakht
    Bakht 14 May 2016 09: 45 New
    -3
    There will be sputum

    1. razmik72
      razmik72 14 May 2016 11: 11 New
      +1
      Baht, and you, it turns out, have a great sense of humor, a cool video wink , from me to you plus.
  • Koshak
    Koshak 14 May 2016 09: 58 New
    0
    There is a solution to many conflicts of the imperial type, but hardly anyone will like it ... I'm waiting for the minuses.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 14 May 2016 10: 02 New
    +2
    "It is unacceptable for the Armenian side to hold a second referendum on the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh. " According to the Armenian media, vice-speaker of the Armenian parliament Hermine Naghdalyan stated this in an interview with reporters.

    At the same time, Naghdalyan asserts that the Armenian side does not claim "five occupied territories around Nagorno-Karabakh."

    "As soon as the world recognizes Karabakh, we will return those lands to which we have no right, we do not want these lands - this is just our buffer zone, the guarantor of our security "“- Naghdalyan stated, of course, keeping silent that the occupier does not have rights to the other occupied territories of Azerbaijan.

    The vice-speaker of the Armenian parliament openly admitted that Armenia occupied the territories of Azerbaijan and that it does not have rights to them, causing a flurry of criticism against itself domestically.


    I am interested in two highlighted points. Why did she say this and who can decipher these words without Google with her mind?
  • Bakht
    Bakht 14 May 2016 10: 44 New
    +5
    I have tried many times to influence people's minds with facts and law. Useless. Myths and legends. Sheer lies and ignorance of the material. Will have on the fingers. We open the official website of the Parliament of Armenia and read the official text of the Constitution of Armenia. Only the preamble is enough
    http://www.parliament.am/parliament.php?id=constitution&lang=rus
    The Armenian people, taking as a basis the fundamental principles of Armenian statehood and national goals enshrined in the Declaration of Independence of Armenia, fulfilling the sacred covenant of their freedom-loving ancestors to restore sovereign statehood, being committed to strengthening and developing the Motherland in the name of ensuring freedom, general welfare, civil harmony for descendants, confirming their loyalty to universal values, adopts the Constitution of the Republic of Armenia.

    What is the humor? In the country's Basic Law, a reference to a by-law. But these are still flowers. We look at the link
    http://www.parliament.am/legislation.php?sel=show&ID=2602&lang=rus
    based on the joint Decree of the Supreme Council of the Armenian SSR and the National Council of Nagorno-Karabakh dated December 1, 1989 “On the reunification of the Armenian SSR and Nagorno-Karabakh”, developing the democratic traditions of the independent Republic of Armenia formed on May 28, 1918

    According to the Constitution of Armenia, NKR has long been annexed to Armenia. And only its independence from Armenia can be recognized. Such trifles of Armenian diplomats do not bother at all. Like all the legitimacy of the Constitution of Armenia.
    The fact is that the document referred to in the Constitution was adopted during the USSR and the Supreme Soviet of the USSR was declared invalid and not legally binding.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 14 May 2016 10: 59 New
      0
      Perfect
      Less for the text from the website of the Parliament of Armenia. I really hope that the Armenians put this minus. I regard it as recognition of my merits :-)
      1. Fhvty
        Fhvty 14 May 2016 18: 26 New
        +2
        I can explain for what a minus.
        Firstly, for delving where you are not asked.
        Secondly, you make clippings for those who, in your opinion, prove something there.
        Although for sure, if you read the entire text, then in the general context everything will be correct and understandable.
        So now I have to go to the parliament’s website to find this text, read it, think it over, spend a lot of time, and then explain something here, so that you and everyone else can understand it.
        What for? If you say: Sputum will be.
        Well, it will be so. What else can you say.
    2. razmik72
      razmik72 14 May 2016 11: 55 New
      +4
      Bakht, our parliamentarians should have invited you as their assistant, otherwise these slow-witted people make a blunder after a blunder about the mental abilities of our deputies who passed into parliament, as they say, even with a carcass, even with a scarecrow, I have the same not high opinion. , there will be plenty of mistakes, but that's just not enough time, my head aches in the morning. By the way, the minus is not mine.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 14 May 2016 11: 58 New
        +1
        I don’t care whose minus. Hope to be Armenian. Even Azerbaijani parliamentarians do not invite me. Not to mention Armenian. I generally have a very low opinion about the mental abilities of parliamentarians. With rare exceptions. Very rare. In general, parliamentarism is a terrible evil. Amateurs in power - this is continuous hemorrhoids for the country.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 14 May 2016 11: 16 New
    +2
    The author forgot to mention that the armament of Azerbaijan has a Spike anti-tank system and drones - kamikaze.
    1. HERMES
      HERMES 14 May 2016 21: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Vadim237
      The author forgot to mention that the armament of Azerbaijan has a Spike anti-tank system and drones - kamikaze.


      I wrote about kamikaze drones in comments on past articles. Officially, we don’t have them ... but there is no smoke without fire)
  • Rusyn
    Rusyn 14 May 2016 11: 31 New
    +2
    Armenians are allies. It must be supported.
    1. HERMES
      HERMES 15 May 2016 02: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Rusin
      Armenians are allies

      Condolences ...
  • Nicola Bari
    Nicola Bari 14 May 2016 12: 12 New
    +4
    The article is good, there are, of course, inaccuracies in the details, which even appear without close attention.

    As for the solution of the issue, then, most likely, the author is right - sooner or later Azerbaijan will try to resolve this issue by military means, most likely, at a time when Russia cannot intervene promptly. And the denial of this practically inevitable situation really looks like demagoguery - no one wants to give "their" to an implacable enemy.

    Another question is which side to support Russia - to maintain smooth relations with both sides of the conflict will not work, and a lot in the future will depend on the correct answer to it for the entire Caucasus.
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    2. Fatih88
      Fatih88 14 May 2016 13: 18 New
      +3
      To your question whom to support Russia. Azerbaijan would be very happy if Russia is neutral in this conflict and not only Russia. Personally, my opinion as an Azerbaijani is Azerbaijan and Armenia would solve this problem faster themselves without the intervention of other players. It doesn’t matter with war or peace.
      1. Michael.
        Michael. 14 May 2016 15: 18 New
        +6
        Good Fatih. Let Russia take a neutral position. But provided that Turkey Iran does not intervene and who the hell knows who. And then let Armenia and Azerbaijan bazaar together from Eye to Eye.
        1. Fatih88
          Fatih88 14 May 2016 17: 52 New
          +2
          Did I write something else? I wrote not only Russia.
        2. garnik64
          garnik64 14 May 2016 23: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Michael.
          Good Fatih. Let Russia take a neutral position. But provided that Turkey Iran does not intervene and who the hell knows who. And then let Armenia and Azerbaijan bazaar together from Eye to Eye.



          Plus from me.
  • Stas157
    Stas157 14 May 2016 13: 12 New
    +2
    The argument “Moscow will not sell, we will sell others”, sounding from Moscow, is even more doubtful in this case, if not stronger and rougher. In addition, the “others” cannot sell some things. For example, no one in the world simply has analogues to the most powerful TOS-1A system, and it is precisely this system that can inflict very great damage on the front lines of the Karabakh troops. It is completely incomprehensible where Azerbaijan could find an analogue of the T-90. So the argument about "others" is not only extremely cynical, but also not true.

    The argument "we will not sell - others will sell" is absolutely correct, here Khramchikhin clearly distorts! For example, the most powerful TOS-1A fires only at 3 and 6 km, depending on the missile, and in Syria itself it is not audible how it manifested itself. A strong adversary will simply not let you reach such a distance! As such, long-range MLRS look much more interesting. To find an analogue of the T-90 tank may not work, but there are tanks, at least not worse! Ask the Jews. There is nothing beyond outstanding in this tank.
    So, the replica of the "expert" Khramchikhin is rather cynical here!
    1. Michael.
      Michael. 14 May 2016 15: 21 New
      +1
      Stas T-90 tanks are universal. I’ll explain Abrams and Merkava in Desert Territory. As well as European Leclerc and Leopards, they are good on good European roads. And T-90 is Kalashnikov everywhere, including in the Mountains.
  • Stavros
    Stavros 14 May 2016 15: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: xetai9977
    By the fact that 20% of our territory was grabbed by the noise, and now they brazenly do not want to give back


    I repeat once again to the citizens the cave-goers. Finally, get together in a teahouse and decide about these 20 percent. In April, some cave-tart marshals shouted about the vast liberated territories. Now we read about 20 percent again. You already lie so hard that you don’t even notice how you contradict yourself.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 14 May 2016 17: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Stavros
      I repeat once again to the citizens of the Cavtars. Finally, get ready in a teahouse and decide about these 20 percent ...

      There are no limits to folk wisdom:
      A thin world is much better than a good quarrel. Until people have moved from simply silent hostility to openly expressing their hostile attitude and emotional insults, there is still a chance for reconciliation, the opportunity to wait out a negative period, find something pleasant in an opponent and even, perhaps, become a good friend for him. But after a quarrel, this is unlikely to happen, because it can become overly emotional.

      hi
    2. Bakht
      Bakht 14 May 2016 17: 40 New
      +2
      The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan has always talked about several heights and several square kilometers. 20% are still under occupation. Azerbaijan Defense Ministry is the only official source. I don’t know who you listened to in the teahouse
  • RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 14 May 2016 17: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: razmik72
    Quote: Bakht
    And what did your soldiers do in Jabrail or in Karabakh? On Azerbaijani soil

    Our soldiers defended the Karabakh Armenians from the new genocide that the Transcaucasian Turks would have done if they could break into the territory of Karabakh, seeing how you defend the Anatolian Turks with great enthusiasm, saying with foam at the mouth that there was no Armenian genocide and the Armenians themselves came up with all this, not realizing that the 1915 genocide of the year became a prologue to the Karabakh war and divided not only Anatolian Turks and Armenians, but also you and me.

    Isn’t your genocide staged by your soldiers in Khojaly, killing hundreds of innocent people - women, old people and children? Having destroyed so many cities and villages, expelling hundreds of thousands of people from their homes from their homeland, the land of their fathers. Time is playing against Armenia and justice will prevail. Azerbaijan is growing economically and demographically, the population of Armenia and its income are rapidly declining. Yes, Armenia is a member of the CSTO and Russia will defend Armenia, but not Karabakh, which it recognizes the territories of Azerbaijan at the state level. And Azerbaijan does not pretend to the territory of Armenia.
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 14 May 2016 19: 17 New
      0
      Ruslan, you can’t rush with such words as genocide, you have no reason for that. And do not click here and call on the head of the Armenians the forces of hell laughing and lucifer smile.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 14 May 2016 19: 36 New
        +2
        For reference. Genocide - the destruction of population groups on racial, national or religious grounds. From this point of view, the entire Karabakh war is genocide. And the events in Khojalla completely fall under this definition.
        As well as the expulsion of their homes from the citizens of Armenia and Azerbaijan. This is also genocide.
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 14 May 2016 20: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: Bakht
          For reference. Genocide - the destruction of population groups on racial, national or religious grounds. From this point of view, the entire Karabakh war is genocide. And the events in Khojalla completely fall under this definition.
          As well as the expulsion of their homes from the citizens of Armenia and Azerbaijan. This is also genocide.

          Bakht, I’ve been on the site in the morning and thoroughly tired, I don’t want to enter into a dispute with you, I didn’t even want to answer anyone, but this RuslNN is really getting on my nerves. in each of his comments he makes the same accusations, clicks and, most importantly, leaves the discussion. I want to say goodbye to you, today I will not go to the site anymore and I would advise you to rest.
          1. HERMES
            HERMES 14 May 2016 21: 31 New
            +2
            You know ... no one will come to anything by talking who "overheated" whom.
            I just want to add from myself - although most Azerbaijanis are still radishes (I declare as a representative of this people), but the Armenians are not so white and fluffy as they try to present themselves to everyone else. There are enough sins on the conscience of both peoples.
  • Xent
    Xent 14 May 2016 17: 55 New
    +5
    Yes, as Khramchikhin wrote, there is no peaceful solution to the Karabakh issue, even in the internet. Well, dear Azerbaijanis, in a place to write your opinions and shout that this is the only truth, it would be necessary to cite the facts. Unfortunately you are not doing this. I think from the fact that you simply do not have facts. The April Mini War also captures this. The real cadres of the war come only from the Armenian side, but from Baku only a few cadres from drones and all. This is due to the fact that journalists from the Armenian side worked in full, and from the Azerbaijani side, if they were then they probably didn’t take it off. Based on this, it is possible to understand who provides more accurate information.
    So purely military and without emotion. Azerbaijani sources wrote about the fact that they were beaten using two specials. brigades, l / s about 2000 people. The case art worked. group, at the end already and MLRS "Smerch". On the maps of the pilots of the downed helicopter, missions were plotted, and it can be said that the mission for the day was the capture of Fizuli by the Azerbaijanis. Analyzing this information, we can freely say that the Azerbaijani army conducted not "reconnaissance in force" (it is simply stupid to think so, they carried out reconnaissance in force during 2014-15) but an offensive operation. From the north and south, they were supposed to break into the defense of the Armenians and force them to transfer reserves to these directions. It was then that there would be a powerful tank strike from the center, which would have broken the defense of the Armenians. However, Azeri troops were able to carry out a company or battalion mission (platoon base in the north and company base in the south). Purely according to military analysis, one cannot call a victory an action during which two brigades with the support of two corps forces were able to fulfill the task of a company or battalion.
    Everything else can be called simply - Information war.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 14 May 2016 18: 20 New
      +1
      Want a combat analysis? No one will give you this data. What you write about plans, attacks from the north, south, tank attacks in the center is all amateurism.

      Want a layman opinion? My personal. The blows are too spread across the terrain. You need to act against the enemy's far flank, But not in different operational directions. A tank strike in the center is impossible in principle. There are mountains. As Frunzik said, "the camel saw"? A tank strike will be applied only in the south (according to terrain conditions). Since the heights have been taken, reaching Fuzuli and Jabrayil is a couple of trifles. By the way, there were photos of Azerbaijani soldiers on the outskirts of Fizuli and Jabrayil.

      Helicopter pilots had the task of the day or even the entire operation? .. No comment.

      The fighting showed the power of the art fist, checking the capabilities of the latest systems, and showed that the Armenians will not be able to contain the blow. But also showed the shortcomings of the Azerbaijani infantry. The high losses of the assault groups are due to not very high (one might even say low) qualities of the line infantry. You will have to work hard on this. The special forces themselves showed themselves from the very best side.

      Everything else is an information war.
      1. Chisayna
        Chisayna 14 May 2016 18: 39 New
        +4
        In general, everything is as always. The confrontation ended at the hot horsemen. Yet Suvorov said that the Turks were strong only in the first onslaught.
        1. Stavros
          Stavros 14 May 2016 23: 48 New
          +2
          Well, why only with the first onslaught, they are strong even at night when the enemy is sleeping, and you can calmly go up and chop off your head and become a hero for this in your own country.
    2. HERMES
      HERMES 14 May 2016 21: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Xent
      Purely according to military analysis, it is impossible to call a victory an action during which two brigades with the support of two corps forces could fulfill the task of a company or battalion.


      Purely in military terms - have you heard about the Kursk Bulge? Do you know how the Armenians have strengthened in twenty years? To break through the defense in the areas indicated by you, it is advisable to use 2-3 times more forces. Moreover, artillery has a special weight. Armenians were beaten from 15 to 20 units of barreled artillery and several units of MLRS type "Grad" with an efficiency of 25%. This is not enough to break through to Fuzuli. The effectiveness of strikes on armored vehicles was very high thanks to the Israeli Spike-MR and Spike NLOS. From 13 to 15 tanks were burned by them .Almost all were destroyed on caponiers.

      The Armenians scored good mortar attacks.
      1. Xent
        Xent 14 May 2016 22: 13 New
        +1
        I don’t know where you got such information from, but I can assure you that from 15-20 artillery units they could not have shot at 4-8 10 shells in 000 days. The Armenians responded with a rather smaller number, about 4-5000 shells.
        Exactly about the Kursk Bulge, well knowing the Azerbaijanis wanted to weaken the center of defense ... well, you can see for yourself the tank column under the fire of Armenian artillery ... and you can immediately see that Azerbaijan is not talking about its losses completely ... 2.21 to 3.20 frames of the tank column .
        1. HERMES
          HERMES 14 May 2016 22: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Xent
          I don’t know where you got such information from, but I can assure you that from 15-20 artillery units they could not have shot at 4-8 10 shells in 000 days. The Armenians responded with a rather smaller number, about 4-5000 shells.

          Such a number of volleys would mean the declaration of a full-scale war. In artillery units, I meant large-caliber barrels from 152 mm. Most artillery strikes were carried out at the mortar level.

          As for the tanks ... it’s worth recognizing that they performed stupid maneuvers ... first of all, the blame lies with reconnaissance and poor coordination of battle groups. level.
          Personally, I think ... artillery should have fired first and counter-battery fire and eliminate the threat from Armenian artillery. But due to the scale of the operation itself, this was not possible.
          To raise aircraft of any class and type into the air (except for UAVs) at such a moment is complete idiocy, and for pilots it is suicide.
          1. Xent
            Xent 14 May 2016 23: 24 New
            +2
            About there was a full-scale war. It's just that tactics are not the same. The 5th generation war is going on ... basically a contactless war. In this the advantage of the Azerbaijani army is over. At the expense of the infantry, the linear tactics recede back and both sides are fighting more on NATO tactics, in small groups.
            And the MLRS "SMERCH" also fired. Now, if the Azerbaijanis did not use tanks very well, then about the Smerch, on the contrary. It makes no sense to use the "Tornado" against the dispersed forces of the enemy. And the shells show that they were firing rockets from remote mining in order to prevent the approach of reserves.
            1. HERMES
              HERMES 15 May 2016 00: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: Xent
              And shells show that they fired rockets of remote mining, so as not to allow the approach of reserves.


              You have studied the April events quite well, since you started talking about remote mining by Tornado ... my respect hi
              Are you a former military man? Where did you serve? What kind of troops?

              Quote: Xent
              Now, if the Azerbaijanis did not use the tanks very

              The terrain is not favorable. This showed high losses in the tanks of the Armenians, and the ineffective operation of our tanks. We could not enter the operational space, where the tanks could prove themselves fully. And to ride on the hills like a roller coaster is unpleasant. Although there were a couple of cases when our tanks were able to reach successful positions and beat the enemy from 2-3 km.

              Quote: Xent
              The 5th generation war is going on ... basically a contactless war.


              Personally, I sympathize with the tactics of network-centric warfare. It is the most effective. But so far we don’t have any money, personnel or material resources for that. Although there are some developments.
  • Fhvty
    Fhvty 14 May 2016 18: 03 New
    +1
    The deportation of Armenians from Baku was a consequence of your actions.
    A purely Turkish approach. "I stabbed him because he is to blame."
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 14 May 2016 18: 26 New
      +1
      What does the Turkish approach have to do with it ...? Do you even know what you are writing about? There are tens of thousands of refugees from Armenia in the city. True, they use the well-known Hohlyatsky version "they left by themselves." Angry, without a roof over their heads, without prospects. All life to hell. And there are thousands of Armenians walking in the streets. And they even sit in the commanding chairs.

      Your actions?
      1. Fhvty
        Fhvty 14 May 2016 18: 48 New
        +2
        My actions?
        Please.
        When our relatives from Baku fled to Yerevan, the Yerazi still lived in their apartments, and our neighbor Islam lived on the 5th floor. (And do not lie that refugees from Armenia earlier than from Azerbaijan)
        Arrived, then ... Nowhere to live. We have been staying for more than two months. And Islam every day went out into the yard and sold the best seeds in the region. And everyone bought, and even thoughts did not allow that it could be slaughtered. (And this, by the way, was already after Sumgait and the Baku pogroms)
        Well, our relatives from Baku decided to drive Islam out of his apartment, just as they were kicked out.
        But what are you !!! Yerevan residents defended their neighbor. And they had one argument:
        -We are not Turks, we should not be like them! Then Islam, like many other Yerazi, sold their apartments and quietly left. I note, calmly left, but did not run away.
        But most of all you are characterized by the last line of your comment:
        "And there are thousands of Armenians walking in the streets. And even sitting in the commanding chairs."
        Just think about it! Thousands of Armenians walk !!! Oh my God! They even sit in armchairs !!!
        Well, a purely Turkish approach. purely!
        You are a real Turk.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 14 May 2016 19: 13 New
          0
          Well for starters. I am not a Turk. I am Azerbaijani. So your relative is from Baku. I know a bunch of people who sold their apartments in Baku and left. So, according to your logic, there were no excesses.

          December 1987 2 more months to Sumgait. There is a transmission on AzTV. Two representatives of the Central Committee of the CPSU from Moscow. And two refugees from Armenia. The meaning of the transfer is not to panic. Everything is fine. Refugees urge to return to Armenia. And do not lie to me that nobody was kicked out of Armenia back in 1987.

          And Azerbaijanis from Baku also saved the Armenians from Yeraz in Baku. And likewise bitterness on both sides. But who was heating? Who started this war? To Sumgait. In a few days - who were the first victims of this war? Azerbaijanis in Askeran. Have you killed yourself?

          Well, about the apartments. I still live in the area that is called Armenikend from memory. In our yard, not a single Armenian apartment was seized. All sold and calmly left. I can also give examples of a carriage and a small cart.

          It was NOT necessary for Balayan and Kaputikyan to play the national card. So all claims to Yerevan. Not in Baku.
          1. visitork67
            visitork67 14 May 2016 21: 05 New
            +1
            White and fluffy. To vomit.
          2. estixnumx
            estixnumx 14 May 2016 22: 37 New
            +2
            There were no pogroms in Yerevan, I grew up in this city. Many of the Azerbaijanis who lived in Armenia went to Iran, received Iranian passports and now they live quietly with us, not anyone is touching them. Personally, I like one so-called Iranian to drink tea in his cafe. So there is no need for official propaganda that they cut you here in the early 90s, I can safely say that this was not the case. All of your quietly sold apartments then left. In the border areas between Arenia and the Azerbaijan SSR, refugees were a fact.
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 15 May 2016 09: 08 New
              0
              You tell all this not to me, but to those refugees from Yerevan who live in Baku. Nobody wants to live under threat. It is a fact that there are practically no national minorities left in Armenia.
              This is not propaganda, but reality. You can find the changing demographic situation in Armenia on the Internet.
          3. Fhvty
            Fhvty 15 May 2016 02: 16 New
            +3
            A simple example from life:
            My uncle, a 3-room apartment with a smart repair in the center of Baku on Inglab, directly against the cinema October, exchanged for a shabby odnushka in the 9th microdistrict of Yerevan (this is the very outskirts, the region of geography) Maybe because Yerevan was considered a more prestigious city than Baku? No! This is because my uncle took off his legs, saved his family, and the eraz who was changing with him could not rush at all, since nothing threatened him in Yerevan.
            And my aunt, she lived at Zavokzalny, hesitated ... I was looking for the best options, and as a result I couldn’t even take things out. Everything as it was in the apartment remained. I arrived with three children and with my husband, not even a suitcase in my hand. Son-in-law, Rafik only managed to grab. I still tease him with this samovar. laughing
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 15 May 2016 04: 56 New
              0
              Quote: Fhvty
              My uncle, a 3-room apartment with a smart repair in the center of Baku on Inglab, directly opposite the cinema October, exchanged for a dilapidated odnushka in the 9th district of Yerevan

              Well, the Armenians lived in much better conditions than the Azerbaijanis in Armenia and the Azerbaijanis won in most apartment exchanges, although my family lost because they were one of the wealthiest compared to others. And many of our houses are empty even after the exchange. Since the Armenian is from Baku who grew up in urban conditions, and VERY good ones, having come to Armenia ofigel from the conditions in which Azerbaijanis lived. Since walking far behind water, lack of infrastructure, heating and many other benefits of a city dweller is a complete horror
              1. estixnumx
                estixnumx 15 May 2016 08: 49 New
                0
                I disagree with you all had such conditions then in Yerevan. Electricity for 1 hour per day is available at a nuclear power plant. Bread 250g per brother per day on cards and lack of heating and gas in the houses. Your living conditions were better. Our top then thought how to maintain power, therefore the people distracted from politics by battle-like survival. With electricity, it was settled only in 1995, from the card to the bread they also mined then. And how was it with Eichibey?
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 15 May 2016 12: 41 New
                  +3
                  Quote: esti1979
                  I disagree with you all had such conditions then in Yerevan.

                  Yerevan is a city. And the Armenians changed their houses in Baku and Ganja to the houses of Azerbaijanis in Armenia in the VILLAGES. Few Azerbaijanis lived in Yervane, most were villagers and lived in villages. It was difficult to live in a village, but this is not a European village. , so many villages are neglected.
                2. Bakht
                  Bakht 15 May 2016 12: 53 New
                  +2
                  There have never been cards. There was light, water and gas. There were some interruptions but not for long. In general, people compared with Soviet times and said what was worse. But not so much.

                  I remember turning off the light for 3-4 hours. So I went to the housing office. There, people were very outraged. But they turned it off just for 4 hours. The villages were much worse. If you compare, then you need to compare either the capital or the village.
                3. HERMES
                  HERMES 15 May 2016 13: 26 New
                  0
                  Quote: esti1979
                  And how was it with Eichibey?


                  It was not better ... but rather more in terms of the psychological. No one knew how it would all end. In Baku, it was scary to walk the streets. I have never seen such demonic faces before. Animal faces and eyes looked at you from everywhere. The word in Russian was dangerous to say.
                  Aliyev became our savior ... whatever they say - he’s a great man. He almost became general secretary of the CPSU Central Committee at the time ... but he was rejected because he was not a Slav. History could have gone completely different if this fact had not happened ... I would even say a mistake. Gorbachev ... that's who they chose.
            2. Bakht
              Bakht 15 May 2016 09: 13 New
              0
              I said I can give other examples.

              My friend sold an apartment in the center of Baku to an apartment in Riga. He sold the second apartment to Leningrad. Moreover, he sold already much later Sumgait. So he didn’t take away his legs. Even the furniture was taken out. And friends helped me get to the border. And Lada sold his very well. These are all separate examples that prove nothing.

              But I know that for no gimmicks he was not going to go to Yerevan. And he cursed his fellow citizens for having to leave Baku.

              Once again popular. Nobody touched the Armenians in Baku. They had good positions and work. Had nice apartments. But during the war that started in Yerevan, they could not stay here. And the pogroms were arranged by those whom you drove out of your homes. All claims to Yerevan.
            3. HERMES
              HERMES 15 May 2016 13: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: Fhvty
              Fhvty


              I don’t see the point of lying to you or denying what really happened ... they carried the Armenians in Baku and Sumgait atrociously. This is a fact. When I heard that the baby was smashing their heads against the wall right in the maternity hospitals ... I realized that this was the finish.
              Who did this? Who threw the Armenians straight from the balconies? They were not Azerbaijanis ... they were creatures who called themselves Azerbaijanis, among whom, incidentally, were Armenians, and enough. Someone set fire to them for this. And everyone knows that an angry herd nationalists have no nationality.

              I want to ask a question ... why did the Baku Armenians ... whom I consider the color of your nation and the brightest and most worthy of you, did not want to go to Armenia? Why didn’t they like the Yerevan Armenians so much? Why did the Yerevan Armenians drive them in the tail and in They didn’t like Erez in Baku. I have some good friends among them. But it’s worth recognizing that for the most part they are not good people. They took everything bad from the Yerevan Armenians and became like them.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 15 May 2016 14: 05 New
                +1
                Quote: HERMES
                Erazov was not liked in Baku.

                like Baku’s Erazy.
                Quote: HERMES
                They took everything bad from the Yerevan Armenians, and became like them.

                Well, actually it’s the Erazy who consider the Azerbaijanis of Baku to be a mixture of the Armenian with the Russian, since they lived closely with them and arranged marriages with them.
                Azerbaijanis lived in villages in Armenia. You didn’t notice that very little Erazov knows Armenian ?? there were no Armenians in my area at all, only Azerbaijani villages.
                and other villages were adjacent to the maximum Armenian.
                But the Bakintsevs did not like for their Russian conversations, fraternization with the Armenians. And, more to say, European views on life. In principle, right now the same thing. Although Baku spoiled quite a few Erazov.
                Quote: HERMES
                But it is worth recognizing that for the most part they are not good people.

                As Eraz I do not agree)))
                1. HERMES
                  HERMES 15 May 2016 14: 43 New
                  0
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Well, actually it’s the Erazy who consider the Azerbaijanis of Baku to be a mixture of the Armenian with the Russian, since they lived closely with them and arranged marriages with them.


                  And this is the friendship of peoples. That is why the Baku People are considered a people among the people.
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Have you noticed that very few Erazov know Armenian ??


                  I noticed that in addition to Armenians and Yerazi, almost no one knew the Armenian language.
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  But the Baku People did not like for their Russian conversations, fraternization with Armenians


                  Who didn’t love ????? Accidentally not those who smashed Armenians in Baku and Sumgait?

                  Quote: Yeraz
                  for more say European outlooks on life


                  For more Russian views. The Russians gave our people a decent education. Personally, I am mentally much closer to the Russians than to Europe. My ancestors are Iranian Azerbaijanis .... but my great-great-grandfather served in the Russian Imperial Army
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Although Baku spoiled quite a few Erazov.

                  Quote: Yeraz
                  As Eraz I do not agree)))


                  This is logical)))
                  Comrade ... understand ... I didn’t want to offend you. Notice ... I don’t even judge the Armenians ... I just don’t like that they call me a ram, a trader and a coward. I am Azerbaijani ... from Baku ... and I am not pleased to hear what I have never heard in an evil context from the Baku Armenians.
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 15 May 2016 15: 59 New
                    0
                    Quote: HERMES
                    And this is the friendship of peoples. That is why the Baku People are considered a people among the people.

                    This is bullshit, a Baku Armenian will grieve for his murdered Armenian and will help his Armenian.
                    Quote: HERMES
                    I noticed that in addition to Armenians and Yerazi, almost no one knew the Armenian language.

                    I met quite a few Baku Azerbaijanis who know Armenian.
                    Quote: HERMES
                    Who didn’t love ????? Accidentally not those who smashed Armenians in Baku and Sumgait?

                    Erazy and Erazam were not allowed to smash, those small incidents are a trifle.
                    Quote: HERMES
                    For more Russian views. The Russians gave our people a decent education.

                    You say so, as if without Russia, we would be sitting without education right now. If they would not, they would give others and they would learn.

                    Quote: HERMES
                    but my great-great-grandfather served in the Russian Imperial Army

                    And what ?? Not a few of my relatives serve in the army and police of the Russian Federation and now my grandson should go crazy in Russia and behave like a Russian ?? Everyone should love their country and people.
                    Quote: HERMES
                    Comrade ... understand ... I did not mean to offend you

                    Well, we are not children to be offended.
                    And I forgive without comrades, these comrades cleared present-day Armenia of its Azerbaijani population.
                    Quote: HERMES
                    I just don’t like that they call me a ram, a tradesman and a coward.

                    Don’t you care ???
                    To me, as the Turku of Azerbaijan, the TURKS who built a dozen EMPIRE, created a powerful Islamic empire, the Türks who went through fire and sword throughout Eurasia, the TURK is a synonym for the words WARRIOR for millennia and the Armenian will say ME TURK from Trading to ?? About cowardice and fighting SPIRIT ??? A people that has always been the personification of merchants, trade and tricks about these things ??? A people who served us in our empires will look down on me ???
                    I know what kind of blood flows in my veins and the history of my people, so the ridicule of the Armenians for me is a laugh.
                    Quote: HERMES
                    that I have never heard in an evil context from Baku Armenians.

                    Do you read quotes from different personalities in different periods about how Armenians openly express their thoughts ??
                    My father, who by the way is probably the only one from the whole village who knows the Armenian language, since he studied with the Armenians, said one thing to me in childhood. An Armenian will tell you salam, but after 2 seconds you will not prove it to him and they always hide their thoughts, know and consider this and you will have a wonderful relationship with them. And my father has a lot of acquaintances of Armenians here, just like mine. Nobody builds illusions, only pragmatics.
              2. Fhvty
                Fhvty 15 May 2016 14: 22 New
                -1
                Come on ... Useless and endless argument. I'm afraid it will last forever.
  • Xent
    Xent 14 May 2016 18: 32 New
    +4
    The funny thing is that some people don’t even know the terrain. Of course, the direction Agdam-Askeran-Stepanakert is solid. So amateurish and you can lose the war. Well, do not say that the cons were set on their own. Again, funny.
    PS One can say that the video on which on April 4 the tank units of the Azerbaijani army are advanced to the deployment line to strike the center of defense of the Armenian defense is also an installation.
  • the finish
    the finish 14 May 2016 20: 35 New
    -1
    Quote: HERMES
    Quote: finish


    Comrade ... your comments match your nickname ...

    This is about one of my bodies waiting for such gods of trade and money-making .....?
  • Xent
    Xent 14 May 2016 20: 54 New
    +5
    I completely forgot about the photo in Fizuli ... People are dear, look at it yourself, an Azerbaijani soldier was able to conquer the force of gravity and is standing in the air, well, look at it yourself and suddenly he has both hands excuse me, but right. Well, how not to laugh at this photoshop. My dear, you yourself are doing everything to show what kind of amateur in this matter. And yet ... this stencil has not existed for many years.
    1. Ukrop666
      Ukrop666 16 May 2016 14: 10 New
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      https://istiglal.com/2016/04/23/%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%85%D1%82%D0%B8

      %D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%86%

      D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B/
  • ashot1973
    ashot1973 14 May 2016 21: 08 New
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    The balance of forces and means of the parties is obviously distorted and in many ways does not correspond to the true figures.
    1.Azerbaijan constantly announces its intention to "liberate" the NKR from the Armenians,
    2. There was a reason, and he started suddenly, but even the next task could not be completed,
    3. If Azerbaijan could fully fulfill at least one task in the direction of the GU, do not hesitate, he would go for it. Alas, he didn’t succeed, the losses of railways and railways were great,
    4. It should be borne in mind that Azerbaijan fought with the military units of Artsakh (Karabakh). The ratio of the population is 9 574 000/150 000 people. And at the same time, the Azerbaijani 4-day aggression did not give any benefit. There was no victory, this is ridiculous.
    5. The Armed Forces of Armenia were not part of the military base with Azerbaijan; this would be a complete defeat for the Azerbaijani military.
    1. HERMES
      HERMES 15 May 2016 01: 40 New
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      Quote: ashot1973
      It should be borne in mind that Azerbaijan fought with the military of Artsakh (Karabakh). The ratio of the population is 9 574 000/150 000 people. And at the same time, the Azerbaijani 4-day aggression did not give any benefit. There was no victory, this is ridiculous.


      And since when did "Elbruses" appear in the arsenal of the NKR army? Or not ... I will ask the question differently ... what are the "Elbruses" of the Armenian Armed Forces doing on the territory of the NKR? Similarly, manpower and military equipment were transferred from Armenia to the NKR.

      Quote: ashot1973
      The Armed Forces of Armenia were not part of the military base with Azerbaijan; this would be a complete defeat for the Azerbaijani military.


      Stop watching the newsreel of the Karabakh War of the 90s. In front of you is not the same army.

    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 15 May 2016 04: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: ashot1973
      The Armed Forces of Armenia were not part of the military base with Azerbaijan - this would be a complete defeat for the Azerbaijani military

      aaaa therefore killed soldiers in Karabakh were buried in Yerevan and other Armenian cities))))
  • estixnumx
    estixnumx 14 May 2016 22: 13 New
    +1
    My personal opinion is that the 4-day contract was for internal use by both parties. Azerbaijan showed the people the power of its weapons, and Armenia consolidated the remains of the nation. The main thing is that after May 16 there will be no repeat. And so it all looks like an anecdote about the Indians who launched a rocket in New York. And as for the solution to this conflict, it’s such a proud node that, if you cut it, it will blaze all over the Caucasus, and there are a lot of interested games. Here we can substitute the CSTO and NATO’s weakness. What is happening here in a boxing match looks like Armenia and Azerbaijan in the ring. The main thing is to understand that coaches and referees can be against these countries. And the result is only one 1.5 to 2 meters of land for each.
    1. HERMES
      HERMES 15 May 2016 01: 44 New
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      Quote: esti1979
      And the result is only one 1.5 to 2 meters of land for each.

      The result is the same for everyone. There is only one question - how soon and in what form we will be on it.
  • Stavros
    Stavros 14 May 2016 23: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Bakht

    Well, about the apartments. I still live in the area that is called Armenikend from memory.

    You know it will not be surprising if it turns out that you live in an apartment seized from the Armenians.
    1. HERMES
      HERMES 15 May 2016 01: 47 New
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      Quote: Stavros
      You know it will not be surprising if it turns out that you live in an apartment seized from the Armenians.


      Why are you ... he stormed her 7 times, 7 times retreated headlong ... I saw him myself! I swear by a ram! Then the Armenians entrenched in the apartment retreated in an organized and panic manner, dividing in the course of their retreat towards Armenia and Russia.
    2. Bakht
      Bakht 15 May 2016 09: 44 New
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      It will be just amazing. Do not measure by yourself
  • Bramb
    Bramb 15 May 2016 02: 00 New
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    Peacefully, only peacefully, this conflict cannot be resolved!
    For he is more than 100 years old !!! There are so many wrinkled up on both sides (to put it mildly) that no one can forgive either side of the other! This is against human nature.
    The only way out is the Russian troops on the border, and they will * f * ck both of them, if only someone is rocking. And it is necessary to stand like this for 40 years. Until a new generation is born. And then another 60 years so stand.
    Otherwise, no way.
    How likely it is - judge for yourself.
  • Bramb
    Bramb 15 May 2016 02: 14 New
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    The most real way out of this situation is if the Isaacs take Ararat and the territories around it from the Turks and hand them over to the Armenians. And they will move there from Karabakh.
    It will be worthy and fair historically.
    1. HERMES
      HERMES 15 May 2016 02: 30 New
      -1
      Quote: Bramb
      The most real way out of this situation is if the Isaacs take Ararat and the territories around it from the Turks and hand them over to the Armenians. And they will move there from Karabakh.
      It will be worthy and fair historically.


      There isn’t much more real ... how could we not have guessed it ourselves?! Already we are running to Erdogan for Ararat.
      1. Bramb
        Bramb 15 May 2016 08: 12 New
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        You don't need to run to the corpse. Aliyev has already received a "blessing" from him to attack the Armenians. Has it gotten better?
        The two parties will not agree on their own! A third party is needed for reconciliation. Otherwise - a war of extermination. And this is impossible, because neither side has the strength to do this. Therefore - eternal conflict, death, hatred, etc. Who could be such a party? Turkey? Definitely not. USA? Similar. Europe? Don't tell my slippers. Only Russia! here, however, while we are conducting a strange policy of the level "we do not know why, they have this weapon" and "this is just business" - and this is wrong and bad. But there is no one else.
        Gorbachev, our sales of weapons (money, damn it, they don’t smell like it) to both parties - all this is clear what will lead to: new deaths. What for?! And then Lavrov there as I don’t know who is spinning to stop the ongoing war.
        Once again: if you leave it as it is and so that people live peacefully, then it is necessary to put Russian troops on the border. Or to the Isaacs, to take Ararat and the lands from the Turks, followed by their transfer to the Armenians. Do not ask Erdogan: he is already a corpse. And to prepare the operation and soon to carry it out. So and so Turkey will be divided, we will see it with you. Not a friend of Erdogan Iser. He just says he’s a friend, but not once. And you all consult with him. He brought himself and the country to war, and you thought of asking him advice. If a person cannot solve a single question without a fight - you don’t need to ask such a person for advice!

        The Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh will not give up. Recover - will not work. To put up with this, or Ararat - the third is not given. Which is easier for you, do you think? We must send our Kurds to our Kurds: Ararat is not Turkish and not Kurdish, in the division it will be ours. To get used to this idea right now.
    2. Fhvty
      Fhvty 15 May 2016 03: 29 New
      +1
      Are you a major in which class are you studying? laughing
      1. Bramb
        Bramb 15 May 2016 08: 25 New
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        And you?
        Judging by the fact that you do not know that the address is marked with commas in the letter, you are still in the 4th grade. Well, and emoticons: to make it clear at this level for you. )))
        1. Fhvty
          Fhvty 15 May 2016 14: 05 New
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          What does spelling have to do with it? I’m not a dictation in school. I am talking about the childish nature of your proposal. A smiley, so that it would be clear that I write without malice.
          1. HERMES
            HERMES 15 May 2016 14: 48 New
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            "And brother rebelled against brother" ... only recently you were together for the truth of Armenians ... and now you are already arguing with each other ... kindergarten ...
  • estixnumx
    estixnumx 15 May 2016 08: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: Bramb
    And so it is necessary to stand for about 40 years.

    For 40 years, as Jews have in the wilderness and in a circle, it is advisable for both nations to give out appearances and slingshots at the destination. I think then in 40 years, all survivors will simply be one nation.
  • estixnumx
    estixnumx 15 May 2016 09: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: Bakht
    You tell all this not to me, but to those refugees from Yerevan who live in Baku. Nobody wants to live under threat. It is a fact that there are practically no national minorities left in Armenia.
    This is not propaganda, but reality. You can find the changing demographic situation in Armenia on the Internet.

    Most of the nach minority left precisely in the period 1991-1997, for example, the Jewish community in 1995 left 2500 from a community of 2300. It is because of social conditions that people simply swelled from hunger. I personally slept in a room where in winter the temperature was 5 degrees in 2 sleeping bags and studied by candlelight. Therefore, they left.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 15 May 2016 10: 49 New
      +2
      Yes, many left. But if it weren’t for your adventure with Karabakh, my friend would not have left for nothing. I shared bread and salt with an Armenian, slept in the same tent and lived practically at each other's houses. And they worked together. It was hard - right. But he didn’t even want to hear about Yerevan and Armenia.

      You do not confuse economic migration and what happened. During the war, the Germans being in the Volga region was unacceptable. As well as the presence of Armenians in Baku in 1990.

      So there is no need to transfer economic difficulties to the political situation.
  • estixnumx
    estixnumx 15 May 2016 09: 34 New
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    Quote: Fatih88
    800 rub? Why write so little? Let's rub 2500)))

    Hi Fatih, about 800, too, I have little faith, so let's take the classics. Namely, the simple rule that was used during the Second World War when breaking through the fortified defense line for the oncoming losses was 1 to 2.5-3, that is, the figure where 250-300 people are adequate, and modern experience and the presence of NIB indicate the number of killed to the wounded of varying degrees of 1 to 5 then we can say that the wounded, including the shell-shocked, who are treated on an outpatient basis and do not need hospitalization, somewhere around 800-1200 people are obtained. It's just that everyone noticed that there were no prisoners. Ourselves were undermined by grenades so as not to be captured. In general, both sides conceal the losses. There is no point in arguing.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 15 May 2016 10: 50 New
      +1
      Distracting from Karabakh. The ratio of 1: 3 is full of edge and is not confirmed by any data.
  • Stavros
    Stavros 15 May 2016 09: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: HERMES
    I swear by a ram!

    Well, what else does a cathatar swear, of course, only by a sheep, genes speak for theirs.
  • uizik
    uizik 15 May 2016 10: 44 New
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    Eternal or not! Conflicts must be resolved decisively and quickly, otherwise hemorrhoids are provided for a long time! The solution for Karabakh is simple. Recognize as an independent state! Build a Russian military base in Karabakh or, in extreme cases, hold a referendum as in Crimea. If Russia does not resolve this conflict, the Americans will take care of it. Again, Russia will receive another problem on its border.
  • Stavros
    Stavros 15 May 2016 16: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: HERMES
    .I am Azerbaijani.

    By God Hermes, you are the most adequate cottage creator you can meet. I don’t understand how your countrymen have not yet ate you for what you write. Now tell me that if Joseph Visarionych at 37 wouldn't call you Azerbaijanis, like You’d be called now. And another question, how did it happen that you are Shiites and your brothers are Sunni Turks.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 15 May 2016 17: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Stavros
      now tell me this if Joseph Vissarionych at 37 wouldn't call you Azerbaijanis, as you would be called now

      Probably the same as before renaming. TURK.
      Quote: Stavros
      And one more question, how did it happen that you are Shiites and your brothers are Sunni Turks.

      In the same way, there are not a few Sunnis among Georgian Azerbaijanis.
      Eastern Turkey has always been Shiites, but then Sunnism prevailed, but there are still many Shiites.


      Here is the city of Kars in Turkey, the inhabitants of Azerbaijani Turks are Shiites.

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  • alone
    alone 15 May 2016 21: 50 New
    +1
    Khramchikhin ... Believe me, each of you can be the same expert as Khramchikhin. Moreover, many of you as experts will excel Khramchikhin in many respects. Because many of you have served, half are reserve officers or are active military men.

    One statement that the tanks were destroyed by the Harops is worth it))

    As for the fighting spirit of the psychological mood, this is a purely individual quality of a soldier. Khramchikhin is not the person who can determine who has a fighting spirit and moral and psychological state higher or lower.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 16 May 2016 00: 50 New
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    To implement the military component of armament and security, the priority is to break away from the orbit of Russia.


    http://ru.1in.am/1150554.html

    PS Director of the Armenian Center for Political and International Studies Aghasi Yenokyan. I don’t know how authoritative this character is. But the site is Armenian, the opinion of the Armenian. So with pleasure I'm waiting for the cons.

    PPS In another interview he said even more interesting things. As for the settlement of the conflict. The return of territories is inevitable. It’s just that there is a bargain now, when, and on what terms. And then how to hold a referendum
    In any document there should be a question about the return of territories, there is no other option

    http://ru.aravot.am/2016/04/25/207869/
    There is also the role of the Russian Federation.

    As I understand it, either Armenia submits to the dictates of Moscow or is looking for another ally.
  • vvp2412
    vvp2412 16 May 2016 13: 42 New
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    Moreover, Yerevan is now quite frankly “taking a pose” and it can be understood, since Moscow’s attempt to take an emphasized neutral position in the light of the existence of the CSTO looks somewhat strange. By the way, Moscow still wants to see in CSTO an analogue of virtual NATO - a powerful cohesive military bloc. Now we can say for sure that we have obtained an analogue of real NATO - a soap bubble, in which no one is going to protect anyone.


    NKR is not part of the CSTO. We are not legally obligated to do anything. This is the "problem" of Armenia ... The attack was on NKR, not Armenia ... Therefore, legally, we do not owe anything to Armenia within the framework of the CSTO!
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  • Ukrop666
    Ukrop666 16 May 2016 14: 07 New
    +2
    The tower of the Armenian tank T-72 destroyed on the night of April 2 to 3 near Hadrut. Machine destroyed from ATGM. The crew did not survive.
  • Ukrop666
    Ukrop666 16 May 2016 14: 13 New
    +1
    Weapons and equipment abandoned by Armenians in flight
    https://istiglal.com/2016/04/13/оружие-и-техника-брошенны
  • Ukrop666
    Ukrop666 16 May 2016 14: 18 New
    +1
    The results of the three-day confrontation April 2 - 5, 2016
    https://istiglal.com/2016/04/08/итоги-трехдневного-противостояния-2-5/
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  • Ukrop666
    Ukrop666 16 May 2016 14: 44 New
    +2
    The slogan of the month of April:
    The 20-year-old "Ohanian's Impenetrable Line" turned out to be an easily penetrable Kardashian line.