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Manturov offered several options for creating a regional aircraft

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The head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov announced several options for the revival of the regional aviation, Said Kommersant.




On Thursday at a meeting on the development of aircraft industry, Vladimir Putin called it “totally unacceptable” the fact that “the delivery of passengers in the Far East, in Eastern Siberia, inside the regions takes place through nearby neighboring regions, Moscow or St. Petersburg.” Therefore, "you need to create your own regional aircraft, especially with the possibilities of landing and taking off from unpaved runways."

In response to criticism, Manturov reported that at the present time “three main options are being considered for creating a short-haul aircraft project.”

In his opinion, the production of IL-114 can be launched most quickly. According to KLA calculations, “it will take several years with the release of the full-scale series of 2022 machines per year in 12 year”. The implementation of this project is discussed with 2014.

“The Il-114 twin-engine aircraft with a passenger capacity of 64 (flight range - 1,5 thousand km), developed in the 1980-ies, was produced in Tashkent in Soviet times. The first test flight took place in the 1990 year. Before 2012, 17 machines were built, most of which are not in use now. According to preliminary calculations of the KLA, the total cost of the project is 34,8 billion rubles, ”writes“ Kommersant ”.

Another option - "produced in a small amount of An-140 on 50 seats, which are still supplied by the Ministry of Defense." But "the main obstacle to the development of production," Manturov called "dependence on the Ukrainian developer and manufacturer Antonov."

“In the middle of 2015, the Aviakor plant in Samara suspended the assembly of the An-140 aircraft, due to the fact that the 34 supplier plant located in Ukraine stopped supplying components. Replacing them with Russian-made counterparts in the near future is not possible, since the head office is in Ukraine. The remaining aircraft were assembled from parts available at the factory, ”explains the newspaper.

However, Manturov declared his readiness "to discuss with the Ukrainian colleagues the option of buying a license with further full localization of production in Russia."

In addition, the minister did not rule out that Russian aircraft manufacturers could participate "in the project of localization and consolidation of the Russian-Chinese turboprop aircraft MA700, designed for 83 passengers." The Chinese will begin testing the aircraft next year in order to obtain a certificate of airworthiness in 2019, the Manturov explained that for this project "it is proposed to use the power of the Arsenyev enterprise located in 250 km from Vladivostok."
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  1. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 13 May 2016 12: 28
    +11
    Manturov also proposed the Tu-324 aircraft. It seems to me better to forget about the An-140, against the background of relations between Ukraine and Russia, they will not sell any license to us.
    You need to choose between IL-114 and Tu-324.
    Tu-324 is preferable due to its higher speed; the Il-114 has a maximum speed of 500 kilometers per hour, and it takes 3 hours to fly for 1500 hours at that speed of 324 kilometers for too long. Therefore, it is better to stop on the Tu-850, which has a speed of 950-XNUMX kilometers per hour.
    1. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall 13 May 2016 12: 29
      +2
      And do it in a short time.
      1. cniza
        cniza 13 May 2016 12: 36
        +9
        Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
        Manturov also proposed the Tu-324 aircraft. It seems to me better to forget about the An-140, against the background of relations between Ukraine and Russia, they will not sell any license to us.
        You need to choose between IL-114 and Tu-324.
        Tu-324 is preferable due to its higher speed; the Il-114 has a maximum speed of 500 kilometers per hour, and it takes 3 hours to fly for 1500 hours at that speed of 324 kilometers for too long. Therefore, it is better to stop on the Tu-850, which has a speed of 950-XNUMX kilometers per hour.


        I support, it is necessary to promote the Tu - 324 and not look for reasons why we are not doing it.
        1. just exp
          just exp 13 May 2016 12: 53
          +26
          not Tu-324 needs to be promoted. and the plane whose flight will cost much cheaper. for if the price difference is 30-40 percent, then 99 percent of the population will agree to fly 0.5-1 hours longer than paying 3-5 thousand on top.
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 13 May 2016 13: 00
            -2
            Quote: just explo
            not Tu-324 needs to be promoted. and the plane whose flight will cost much cheaper. for if the price difference is 30-40 percent, then 99 percent of the population will agree to fly 0.5-1 hours longer than paying 3-5 thousand on top.

            The cost of the flight is not reflected in the price of tickets. For example, a ticket for the An-2 sometimes costs 5-7 thousand rubles. Which is significantly more expensive than regular flights of large airplanes.
            The same with the airbus and Boeing, they are promoting new models under the pretext of fuel economy, but this is beneficial only to airlines, this is not reflected in the ticket price. That the ticket for a Boeing 787 that for some sort of Boeing 757, the price is the same.
            The Tu-324 is essentially a replacement for the Tu-134, and you suggest again to return to turboprop aircraft.
            1. monah10
              monah10 13 May 2016 14: 10
              +4
              Turboprop sai flights are also needed, especially for regional flights. Not everywhere, there are prepared runways, many primers.
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 13 May 2016 14: 16
                +1
                Quote: monah10
                Turboprop sai flights are also needed, especially for regional flights. Not everywhere, there are prepared runways, many primers.

                And that turbojet aircraft are not able to land on primers? According to anyone, the Tu-324 aircraft will be finalized and modernized if they still make a decision on production. Strengthening the chassis structure is not a problem for take-off and landing from unpaved airfields.
                True, for take-off from an unpaved runway, a high-wing plan is preferable, of the aircraft presented to choose only An-148 has a similar layout, but for obvious reasons it most likely will not be produced.
                1. Genry
                  Genry 13 May 2016 16: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                  And that turbojet aircraft are not able to land on primers?

                  Primers assume a small length and speed of take-off and landing, respectively, they are with a larger wing area and with good high-torque turboprop engine (high-speed turbojet engine is of little use).
            2. mav1971
              mav1971 13 May 2016 14: 17
              0
              Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

              The cost of the flight is not reflected in the price of tickets.


              But it is very reflected in the desire of airlines to acquire and maintain such aircraft.

              Example.
              Taxi drivers of one taxi company have one, single tariff.
              One will drive gasoline.
              The second will transfer the car to gas.

              The question is - who will continue to ride in a taxi with confidence in the future?
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 13 May 2016 14: 25
                0
                Quote: mav1971
                But it is very reflected in the desire of airlines to acquire and maintain such aircraft.

                Example.
                Taxi drivers of one taxi company have one, single tariff.
                One will drive gasoline.
                The second will transfer the car to gas.

                The question is - who will continue to ride in a taxi with confidence in the future?

                For an airline, fuel efficiency may not be the main criterion. For example, the Tu-324, having greater cruising speed, can fly 2 times faster than the Il-114, more flights, more money, on busy destinations between cities with millionaires and more, it plays a big role.
                1. Genry
                  Genry 13 May 2016 16: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                  For an airline, fuel efficiency may not be the main criterion.

                  What are you saying? Fuel, the farther from the centers of civilization, the more expensive.
                  Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                  For example, the Tu-324, having a great cruising speed, can fly 2 times faster than the Il-114, more flights, more money, on busy routes between cities with millionaires and more, it plays a big role.

                  Between cities with millionaires, with their airfields, we need Superjet100NG or MC-21 class airplanes, and not this Tu-134 zombie.
                  1. Lt. Air Force stock
                    Lt. Air Force stock 13 May 2016 16: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: Genry
                    Between cities with millionaires, with their airfields, we need Superjet100NG or MC-21 class airplanes, and not this Tu-134 zombie.

                    A large plane is not always needed. For example, the millionaire city is located up to 1000 km from Moscow per day; 5 flights fly to Moscow. It makes no sense to drive a half-empty big plane 5 times a day, it just doesn’t get so many passengers. A small aircraft is much cheaper to operate, it consumes less fuel and is almost 100% loaded with passengers.
                    Quote: Genry
                    What are you saying? Fuel, the farther from the centers of civilization, the more expensive.

                    As far as we know, this is a regional plane, and not a plane for flying within the region; in Russia, the distance between regional centers often does not exceed 1000-1500 kilometers, and such a plane is needed for such flights. As a rule, flights are carried out from regional airports, and these are fairly well-developed airports capable of receiving large planes like 777 Boeing.
                    1. Bayonet
                      Bayonet 13 May 2016 16: 25
                      +2
                      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                      A large plane is not always needed. For example, the millionaire city is located up to 1000 km from Moscow per day; 5 flights fly to Moscow. It makes no sense to drive a half-empty big plane 5 times a day, there’s just not so many passengers

                      Or maybe you don’t need to drive half-empty 5 flights a day, and leave 2? smile Doesn't that seem to be more reasonable?
                      1. Lt. Air Force stock
                        Lt. Air Force stock 13 May 2016 16: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Bayonet
                        Or maybe you don’t need to drive half-empty 5 flights a day, and leave 2? Doesn't that seem to be more reasonable?

                        Some do not fly on business trips for a full day, for business people it is more convenient. Yes, and many have connecting flights for flights, for example, abroad, they arrived in the morning, and the flight at 2-3 o’clock in the afternoon, what should they do so much time at the airport?
                    2. Genry
                      Genry 13 May 2016 18: 24
                      +1
                      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                      A large plane is not always needed. For example, the city of one million people is located up to 1000 km from Moscow

                      How many cities of one million people in Russia, if the entire population is about 150 million?
                      These are very large transport hubs!
                      The plane is not used stupidly in only one direction, it flies on different flights.
                      And the larger the plane, the cheaper the transportation of one passenger. Higher fuel efficiency.
                      And in general, the regional theme is about other settlements where there is only a short bulk runway, the number of which is measured in thousands.
        2. FenH
          FenH 13 May 2016 13: 03
          0
          Quote: cniza
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          Manturov also proposed the Tu-324 aircraft. It seems to me better to forget about the An-140, against the background of relations between Ukraine and Russia, they will not sell any license to us.
          You need to choose between IL-114 and Tu-324.
          Tu-324 is preferable due to its higher speed; the Il-114 has a maximum speed of 500 kilometers per hour, and it takes 3 hours to fly for 1500 hours at that speed of 324 kilometers for too long. Therefore, it is better to stop on the Tu-850, which has a speed of 950-XNUMX kilometers per hour.


          I support, it is necessary to promote the Tu - 324 and not look for reasons why we are not doing it.

          Most likely PD-14 is waiting for him
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 13 May 2016 13: 57
            +9
            ... the fact that "the delivery of passengers in the Far East, in Eastern Siberia, within the regions occurs through the neighboring neighboring regions, Moscow or St. Petersburg." Therefore, "you need to create your own regional plane, especially with the capabilities of landing and take-off from unpaved strips."
            - from article

            Soon, a quarter of a century will be after the mainly regional flights from region to region, within the regions, passenger transportation stopped, and the authorities only now remembered people. Not too late?

            Civil aircraft manufacturing plants capable of mass production of passenger aircraft have long been closed, scrapped for scrap, highly qualified specialists dispersed.
            By whom and how are we going to build civil aviation? "On the knee" of military aircraft factories? So their power is limited.
            The failure in civilian aircraft construction, organized by the liberal Yeltsin-Putin government (after 16 years of Putin’s power V.V. can already be said that way), has become critical.
            To restore everything that is destroyed, it is necessary to train and educate the cadres of thousands of specialists: firstly, huge state investments in this industry, which are not there; secondly, the planned conduct of the industry, from which this power is denied and unacceptable; thirdly, train, educate, educate highly qualified specialists for the preparation of which it takes at least 10-15 years.
            And most importantly, the political will of the country's leadership to revive the state aircraft industry is needed, since hundreds, if not thousands, of these aircraft need to be built, and moreover, the most diverse ones with different passenger capacities.
            You can’t build all this on your knee.
            1. Alekseev
              Alekseev 13 May 2016 16: 14
              +1
              Quote: vladimirZ
              Civil aircraft manufacturing plants capable of mass production of passenger aircraft have long been closed, scrapped for scrap, highly qualified specialists dispersed.

              Not all are closed and stolen.
              Do not sprinkle ash on your head - people still reach for us. wink
              There is VASO, Aviastar, Kazan Aircraft Plant, Samara where it is quite possible to establish the production of the same IL-114 and other machines.
              An example of rebirth from the ashes is Russian helicopters.
              That is to form a capable payment demand, to organize operation ...
              For this, probably, reasonable centralization, the Ministry of Aviation and political will, of course, are also needed. yes
          2. mav1971
            mav1971 13 May 2016 14: 20
            +1
            Quote: FenH

            Most likely PD-14 is waiting for him


            But nothing that the PD-14 fan diameter is simply huge for such an airplane ???
            2 times before a typical mock engine
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      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 13 May 2016 16: 20
        +1
        Quote: tiredwithall
        And do it in a short time.

        "According to the calculations of the UAC," it will take several years with the release in 2022 for a full-scale series of 12 cars per year. "The implementation of this project has been discussed since 2014." - Fuck! What are the terms and what the scale (... a full-scale series of 12 cars a year) for a huge country !!!
        I'm crying crying
    2. vodolaz
      vodolaz 13 May 2016 12: 38
      +11
      Yes, of course, our great failure occurred in terms of civil aircraft manufacturing. And I think we must say goodbye to Antonov’s planes and do our own thing, again for the security of the country.
    3. jaguar
      jaguar 13 May 2016 12: 50
      +5
      Manturov also proposed the Tu-324 aircraft. Manturov is one of those who ruined the project of the beautiful Tu-334 aircraft in favor of the Superjet. Yes, in a place with Yakovlev and Pogosyan under Stalin, they would have been put to the wall for a long time !!!! am
    4. Igor V
      Igor V 13 May 2016 13: 20
      +2
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
      Manturov also proposed the Tu-324 aircraft. It seems to me better to forget about the An-140, against the background of relations between Ukraine and Russia, they will not sell any license to us.
      You need to choose between IL-114 and Tu-324.
      Tu-324 is preferable due to its higher speed; the Il-114 has a maximum speed of 500 kilometers per hour, and it takes 3 hours to fly for 1500 hours at that speed of 324 kilometers for too long. Therefore, it is better to stop on the Tu-850, which has a speed of 950-XNUMX kilometers per hour.

      Speed ​​is not the point. The main thing is the ability to use unpaved airfields with a minimum of navigational and meteorological facilities and autonomy - the ability to use the crew to prepare an airplane for flight, your own gangway on board.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 13 May 2016 13: 33
        +2
        Quote: Igor V
        Speed ​​is not the point. The main thing is the ability to use unpaved airfields with a minimum of navigational and meteorological facilities and autonomy - the ability to use the crew to prepare an airplane for flight, your own gangway on board.

        A regional plane is not in the sense of flying in an area, but for flying to neighboring regions. Replacement Tu-134.
        Layout Tu-324:
        1. Igor V
          Igor V 13 May 2016 15: 17
          +2
          Since we are talking about a primer, then this will be decisive. And we have different areas, for example, the Krasnoyarsk Territory what . But all this will probably fall apart about sky-high ticket prices, if you don’t put things in order, you can give subsidies.
        2. Genry
          Genry 13 May 2016 15: 51
          +3
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          A regional plane is not in the sense of flying in an area, but for flying to neighboring regions. Replacement Tu-134.

          That Tu-134, that 324 is a very flawed design. Engines at the rear (picking up dirt from under the front landing gear), with inconvenient maintenance (high location), with a fuel line through half of the cabin (almost complete burnout of passengers in an accident), poor alignment (inability to get out of a flat spin), the desire of the plane to "bite" when increase in gas (for which they changed the location of the engines in the Tu-22).
          1. From Udmurtia
            From Udmurtia 13 May 2016 21: 01
            +2
            Hello! I would like to ask: how close are you to the aircraft industry in order to reason like this?
    5. Edvagan
      Edvagan 13 May 2016 15: 17
      +2
      I think that for regional transport it is not so much speed that matters as profitability, and therefore the cheapness of the ticket. And here the IL-114 may have its trump cards.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 13 May 2016 18: 15
        +1
        And it would be perfect to build normal airfields, and not look for a plane under the primers. I read that in the Soviet years, each district center had an airfield.
  2. tiredwithall
    tiredwithall 13 May 2016 12: 28
    +12
    With this approach, presented in the article, one does not feel the desire to establish production of rather simple aircraft, but rather aims at knocking out funds to the maximum, hiding behind the inflating of completely solved problems.
  3. sever.56
    sever.56 13 May 2016 12: 29
    +5
    No AN-140 ... !!!
    To produce only their own aircraft, or joint development with China.
    Let Ukraine hit the blackboard with its ANs. We already know what it's like to "collaborate" with them. How many projects were suspended due to the fact that Ukraine refused to supply the same engines for ships and helicopters. We need maximum independence of production from foreign "partners", especially such as Ukraine and Western countries!
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 13 May 2016 18: 21
      0
      No joint development with China!
      The plane is not ours through and through, I do not know what is ours in this Xi'an. We need to give jobs to Russians. And in general about these supposedly joint developments - we have already burned ourselves with India. He wants, hiding behind the FGFA, to fish out a fifth-generation engine for the PAK FA for free. And, most importantly, our bureaucratic faces are quite ready to give it away. So I am a supporter of only my own developments. And all these co-workers are parasites who are approaching our critical technologies. It is necessary to say only once, but very clearly and intelligibly: "There is no way!"
  4. Romin
    Romin 13 May 2016 12: 30
    +27
    I'm sorry, what ?
    2022 - 12 sides!
    Cool! This is a breakthrough!
    You ma .. What are you doing there?
    Shuvalov, Manturov?
    Putin, in general ... I’m just with you;) just noticed this fact of the lack of regional aviation and our own aircraft!
    Five points!!!
    But is it time for your government to resign, along with Medvedev!
    Tired of nepotism! And unprofessionalism!
    We are all talking about cutting the euro and Amer’s budgets, but to me on them.
    What is going on with us !?
    AND! Right! The new cut scheme! Let’s now not buy from the Ukrainians, but the Chinese from the Chinese! There, by the way, the Arabs can still catch up, they will release something. Well, as with drones, so we will buy from them.
    Vladimir Vladimirovich, I, as an indigenous resident of Leningrad and St. Pterburg, already begin to be ashamed of you!
    Think it over! What are you doing!?
    Tie up with your co-op and nepotism! It's not funny anymore!
    1. Mercenary
      Mercenary 13 May 2016 12: 43
      +5
      "Have you just noticed this fact of the absence of regional aviation and our own aircraft !?
      Five points!!!"

      Not one of them flies in such types of airplanes according to their status is not prestigious! to kraynyak by helicopter. And how do they know?
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 13 May 2016 12: 58
      -10%
      Romin: Well, you piled nonsense, right ...already starting to be ashamed of you!
    3. Old
      Old 13 May 2016 13: 06
      +6
      The petition for the resignation of the government in two months did not receive 10000 signatures. Glazyev, Katasonov, Gubanov ... all that can already be said. The fingers show that you can’t live like that anymore. Stupid. And GDP tightens kudrin. You can’t break the system of personal enrichment! Nauseous of all this.
    4. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 13 May 2016 13: 16
      +6
      mdyayaya, came to their senses .... when the regional aviation has almost disappeared, as a class.
      But everything was for the production of regional aircraft.

    5. DenZ
      DenZ 13 May 2016 15: 01
      +2
      Quote: Romin
      Vladimir Vladimirovich, I, as an indigenous resident of Leningrad and St. Pterburg, already begin to be ashamed of you! What are you doing!? Tie up with your co-op and nepotism! It's not funny anymore

      Anyway. Let it be late, but he outlined the problem of GDP. But how the solution to this problem will be done, here we’ll already look at the same Manturov (by the way, he suggested about the Chinese and not Putin).
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  5. svp67
    svp67 13 May 2016 12: 31
    0
    Yes ... sometimes, to take a step forward you need to get a good pendell. I hope the pendell was enough and in Russia there will be a regional aircraft
    1. FID
      FID 13 May 2016 14: 30
      +5
      Against this background, the news is very well read, which, they say, will be collected at the UZGA by Austrian Diamonds and Czech L-410 ... Freshly read, very ...
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 13 May 2016 15: 05
        +1
        Quote: SSI
        Against this background, the news is very well read, which, they say, will be collected at the UZGA by Austrian Diamonds and Czech L-410 ... Freshly read, very ...

        The L-410 production plant is owned by the UMMC holding (Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company)
        http://www.e1.ru/news/spool/news_id-441745.html
        So here, not everything is so bad, but with Diamonds ... UZGA has only an agreement on their screwdriver assembly.
        1. castle
          castle 13 May 2016 16: 24
          +2
          And this plant, which belongs to the UMMC, is located in the Czech Republic in the city of Kunovice. The engines on the L-410 are not Russian at all. And the new L 410 NG, generally with GE H80-200 engines. In Russia, these aircraft will not be assembled.
          And this Sino-Russian "project" - MA700, is generally copied and assembled at a cheaper technological level, the European ATR-72.
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      3. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 13 May 2016 15: 25
        +7
        But there is also the Yak-42 !!! great car!
        1. WUA 518
          WUA 518 13 May 2016 15: 43
          +9
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          But there is also the Yak-42 !!! great car!

          But there is no Saratov Aviation Plant. There is now IKEA, and a residential complex.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 13 May 2016 16: 07
            +6
            Quote: WUA 518
            But there is no Saratov Aviation Plant. There is now IKEA, and a residential complex.

            That's exactly what I wanted to say!
            And the talk about the revival of domestic aviation is for the patriot urry.
            But the specifics of the president and the government can not be heard, some tales of intentions to 12 sides per year by the 2000-shaggy year.

            Shl. With this photo of "Ikea" you confirmed the real state of affairs in aviation. Thanks. hi
        2. castle
          castle 13 May 2016 16: 26
          +2
          The last Yak-42 was put into operation in 2003.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 13 May 2016 18: 26
            +1
            Yes, I recall. Now they are trying to fashion the MS-21 from it and proudly call it the most advanced aircraft. Although the true level of its novelty is clearly visible in the figure. They only bothered to ascribe a deuce. So this allegedly ultramodern super-plane - Yak-242 is called.
  6. Mercenary
    Mercenary 13 May 2016 12: 39
    -7
    Koklov needs to be attracted, otherwise they will go crazy where the money will take us a debt to give?
  7. Brutal
    Brutal 13 May 2016 12: 40
    +9
    "... going through the nearby neighboring regions, Moscow or St. Petersburg ..."
    Exactly! My wife flies on a business trip from Khabarovsk to Khabarovsk via Moscow ... This is the "fastest" route, but the "shortest" route takes three days! belay Maybe the whole thing is not only in the new aircraft, but also in the logistics of aviation communications ?! Or is it an abusive concept for our aviation and they ask not to use it ?! fool
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 May 2016 12: 41
    +5
    It is necessary to start replacing the AN-2. Yes, with a turboprop engine, modern avionics. This one could land on any meadow. And you can release them in hundreds. And 12 pieces per year, are we going to revive regional aviation until the end of the century?
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 13 May 2016 13: 12
      +3
      It was not about the AN-2, but about the Yak-40, by type, soil strips, autonomy in service. And the replacement of the AN-2 is definitely needed - the vast territories of Russia were left without transport links.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 13 May 2016 18: 30
        0
        You need something like a big gyroplane - it will take off from any patch, and in emergency conditions it will sit gently on autorotations.
  9. kervin78
    kervin78 13 May 2016 12: 41
    +6
    The project has been implemented since 2014. During this time, they counted 38 billion, I think the amount will grow many times by 2022. During the war, the planes were put into operation for a year. I wonder what Comrade Stalin would say to Manturov? "nothing comes. After all, many say that we have a hybrid war, and that is how the laws of war should be applied.
    1. Old
      Old 13 May 2016 13: 12
      +4
      And in fact, such a man as Stalin would not have hindered Russia now. The first step is to clear the Communist Party.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 13 May 2016 18: 32
        +1
        But is it not one demon? That the Communist Party, that Fair Russia-the difference is zero. Even the most venerable experts cannot answer, what is the fundamental difference between the parties represented in parliament.
    2. From Udmurtia
      From Udmurtia 13 May 2016 21: 23
      +1
      So after all, under Stalin there would not have been such traitors in the top leadership.
  10. Rostislav
    Rostislav 13 May 2016 12: 45
    +3
    Manturov declared readiness “to discuss with Ukrainian colleagues the option of purchasing a license

    What license is he going to buy ?!
    KB "Antonov" was created in the USSR. Since when did the Ukrainians become the owners of the intellectual property created in the Union?
    It is necessary to raise the question of obtaining technical documentation, and this is a completely solvable task for the relevant specialists.
  11. Leto
    Leto 13 May 2016 12: 47
    +6
    Vladimir Putin called "absolutely unacceptable" the fact that "passenger delivery in the Far East, in Eastern Siberia, within the regions occurs through the neighboring neighboring regions, Moscow or St. Petersburg

    Did he "lead" in a lethargic dream for 15 years? Just found out? So that for a long time people from Novosibirsk to Ulan-Ude, for example, fly through Moscow, because it's closer ...
  12. mav1971
    mav1971 13 May 2016 12: 50
    +7
    IL-114.
    The decision on whether to create is 1982 year.
    Decision of the USSR Council of Ministers on production - 1986 year.
    The first flight is 1990 year.
    That's all.
    And silence.
    It took almost 30 years for someone to think about returning to the local market.
    But as I understand it, even aircraft manufacturers do not particularly want to make this aircraft.
    They do not see in it their own benefits.
    35-40 billion rubles is needed only for the re-equipment of production sites for the production of this aircraft.

    All the time I wonder why the enemies often manage to spend less time and money on preparing the technical process in 2-3 than ours, with our very low salary and team vertical ...
    Well, it shouldn’t be like that.
    What’s the catch ... Rhetorical question - no need to answer.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 13 May 2016 16: 42
      +1
      Quote: mav1971
      All the time I wonder why the enemies often manage to spend 2-3 times less money and time on the preparation of the technical process than ours,

      Maybe that's why they are enemies?wink
  13. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 13 May 2016 12: 56
    +1
    And what about the superjet they don’t remember?
    1. FID
      FID 13 May 2016 13: 19
      +5
      60% reliability of a super ... This is firstly, secondly - it can fly only from good airfields ...
      1. Leto
        Leto 13 May 2016 13: 31
        -1
        Quote: SSI
        secondly - it can fly only from good airfields ...

        Well, that’s the main need for the directions of Krasnoyarsk, Omsk, Irkustk, Ulan-Ude, Chita, Kemerovo, etc. where both the Boeings and the airbags normally land and take off.
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 13 May 2016 14: 04
          +2
          Quote: Leto
          Well, that’s the main need for the directions of Krasnoyarsk, Omsk, Irkustk, Ulan-Ude, Chita, Kemerovo, etc. where both the Boeings and the airbags normally land and take off.

          Not only. I would watch Boeings or SSJ sit in Tarko-Sale, for example. smile
          And then the question is - do we have funds for the creation of two airplanes at once (one for concrete Krasnoyarsk, the second for unpaved Tarko-Sale)? Not. Then you need to do the one that sits there and there. And this is something like An-24 / IL-114.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 13 May 2016 16: 53
            -2
            Quote: Alex_59
            Not only. I would watch Boeings or SSJ sit in Tarko-Sale, for example.

            Well, yes, this is from the series - "It is easier for Russians to build an all-terrain vehicle than roads" smile
  14. askort154
    askort154 13 May 2016 12: 59
    +10
    How tired of listening to the same thing from year to year:
    A - "it's time to get off the oil pipe",
    B - "regional planes are needed".
    Every year "decisions" are made, and every year a new one is "discussed".
    For a decade, we cannot decide which regional plane we need.
    Not a whiner, but that's not funny anymore.
    1. jetfors_84
      jetfors_84 13 May 2016 13: 02
      +5
      Gosplan in the union and then worked more efficiently. And now they are only talking about the discussion process, but in reality when will they do it? Are all investors looking for? Is it time for the state itself to become an investor?
  15. exo
    exo 13 May 2016 13: 02
    +4
    The aircraft should be turboprop. Given its dual purpose. Therefore, there is no alternative to the IL-114. It is necessary to bring not very successful TV 7-117 engines and propellers.
  16. mishchenko-19
    mishchenko-19 13 May 2016 13: 16
    +5
    Manturov in his style, continues to make fun of the whole country, the Superjet-100 was originally planned just for 50-100-120 places, which are simply shortened to make up and engines for the fuselage like the Canadians and IL-114 for unpaved airfields.
  17. Sotnik77s
    Sotnik77s 13 May 2016 13: 18
    +1
    slowly very slowly everything develops everything there in Moscow, wait until all the people leave, then let the plane go, when there will be no one to transport
  18. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 13 May 2016 13: 25
    +9
    most quickly you can start the production of IL-114. According to UAC estimates, "it will take several years with the release in 2022 of a full-scale series of 12 cars a year." The implementation of this project has been under discussion since 2014.

    You read this, and you understand what a sad hopelessness we have in the civil aviation industry. It seems that we are already behind forever.
    For general information:
    The American aircraft manufacturer Boeing announced a change in the production rate of narrow-body Boeing 737 aircraft and wide-body Boeing 777. According to Aviation Week, the company will increase production of the first model to 2019 boards per month from 57, while assembly volumes of the second type will be from 2017 reduced to seven per month.
    Boeing reports that the formation of a large portfolio of orders, which has grown to about 737 units, has allowed the Boeing 4400 to accelerate production. Today the company collects 42 sides per month, and in 2017 this figure will increase to 47 aircraft (For 2017, the first delivery of the remotorized Boeing 737MAX is also scheduled). In 2018, the company will produce 52 aircraft per month.
    http://www.ato.ru/content/tempy-proizvodstva-boeing-737-i-boeing-777-snova-skorr


    ektiruyut
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 May 2016 13: 42
      +1
      Yes, in civil aviation, we lagged behind manufacturers like BOING and Airbus forever.
      1. kagorta
        kagorta 13 May 2016 13: 51
        +1
        Once we have lagged behind for life, we only need the will.
      2. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 13 May 2016 14: 06
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        Yes, in civil aviation, we lagged behind manufacturers like BOING and Airbus forever.

        Technically, we are not far behind, it can only be in the use of composite materials and in powerful engines. Boeing and Airbas also excelled in marketing their products. Even if Russia produced analogs or even better aircraft than Boeing and Airbus, they still would not be bought in the same amount as American and European ones.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 May 2016 20: 56
          0
          They produce 140 times more aircraft annually than Russia, and unlike Russian manufacturers, these companies have created a global service base abroad for their planes - that's why their planes are bought, unlike ours.
  19. exo
    exo 13 May 2016 13: 39
    +4
    Regarding civil aviation, we are in the Stone Age. And this, for a very long time. In the military, it’s better, but not in terms of release, but in terms of characteristics. By the way, the same trouble is in the field of shipbuilding.
  20. Pate
    Pate 13 May 2016 13: 40
    +1
    In addition to the IL-114, there is also the S-80GP and Be-32K, which were designed in Soviet times and were demonstrated more than once at the MAKS, so why not put them into series, they are great for regional air travel.
  21. yahont
    yahont 13 May 2016 13: 52
    +8
    In response to criticism, Manturov reported that at the present time “three main options are being considered for creating a short-haul aircraft project.”

    In his opinion, the production of IL-114 can be launched most quickly. According to KLA calculations, “it will take several years with the release of the full-scale series of 2022 machines per year in 12 year”. The implementation of this project is discussed with 2014.

    This is how much time you need to consider, you need to do it not sometime, but yesterday. And so just words, blah blah blah.
    Deniska has enough intelligence, the Rosvertol plant is secretly sold on the side, it is necessary to drive such people in the neck. Sorry, it's boiling.
  22. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 13 May 2016 13: 53
    +2
    The trouble is in the engines. Both Tu and Sukhoi and Ilyushin and L-410 are imported. You need to invest in your electronically controlled turboprop engine. With the launch of the PD series, the control units will be domestic and can be unified.
    1. From Udmurtia
      From Udmurtia 13 May 2016 21: 38
      +1
      Two years ago, only 93 billion rubles were needed for fine-tuning the NK-2. Not allowed.
  23. Verdun
    Verdun 13 May 2016 15: 56
    +1
    According to UAC estimates, "it will take several years with the release in 2022 of a full-scale series of 12 cars a year." The implementation of this project has been under discussion since 2014.
    If we discuss each project for two years ... But this type of aircraft is needed, as they say, yesterday. sad I completely agree in this regard with yahont. It is, of course, understandable that most of those who discuss fly other planes and routes. But what to do the rest?
  24. Pate
    Pate 13 May 2016 16: 08
    +2
    Here is one of those domestic aircraft that are perfect for regional air traffic.
    1. castle
      castle 13 May 2016 16: 29
      +2
      Suitable, but where to get them?
    2. Genry
      Genry 13 May 2016 17: 02
      +1
      The Be-32K is a good and necessary aircraft, but its niche is small transportation or administrative and business use. There is a L-410 similar and very successful.
      The article is about airplanes with a capacity of about 50 passengers.
    3. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 13 May 2016 17: 51
      0
      A wonderful car. Does Manturov know? I get the impression that he is not exactly "Copenhagen" on a given topic.
      1. From Udmurtia
        From Udmurtia 13 May 2016 21: 41
        -1
        You can see from it - a controlled figure.
  25. Pate
    Pate 13 May 2016 16: 22
    +2
    And this is the Sukhov machine, which is also perfect for regional airlines.
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 13 May 2016 16: 45
      +1
      Here is one of those domestic aircraft that are perfect for regional air traffic.
      The fact is that Russia currently has enough opportunities to create prototypes at the very least, but to set up their serial production, supply of parts and components for assembly - alas ... The collapse of production in the nineties affects. And even if the equipment was preserved in some places, albeit somewhat outdated, the training of workers takes more than one day. Plus, the specifics of our legislation, according to which it is easier for the owner of the company to lease available space for warehouses and offices, than to bother with such nonsense as production. ((
    2. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 13 May 2016 18: 57
      +1
      Also a gorgeous car. And we all want to invent a "bicycle".
      Our weak point is the organization of mass production and the lack of qualified personnel for this. But it is necessary to start somewhere and provide the country with its aviation equipment. We have half a country without railways.
  26. lance
    lance 13 May 2016 16: 24
    +1
    What about the planet an-74 with dvigunami front?
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 13 May 2016 17: 34
      0
      Quote: Lance
      What about the planet an-74 with dvigunami front?

      Compare the thrust, weight and dimensions of the native D-36 and PD-14 engine, I think everything will become clear! fellow laughing
  27. kervin78
    kervin78 13 May 2016 17: 23
    +2
    Quote: kagorta
    Once we have lagged behind for life, we only need the will.

    Or a huge pendal to our government
  28. andrewkor
    andrewkor 14 May 2016 07: 38
    0
    6 pcs. Il114-100 with Pratt-Whitney engines fly with might and main in Uzbekistan!
    1. exo
      exo 14 May 2016 19: 36
      0
      On this plane, the TV7-117 engines and propellers are the main weak point. Therefore, their replacement has led to the fact that Uzbekistan has a good airplane.
  29. iouris
    iouris 14 May 2016 17: 33
    0
    It seems somewhat strange to me that the government, which has been engaged in "containment" of the country's economy for 25 years, suddenly generates certain plans to create something. If policy has changed, then the government itself must change first.
    1. Tu-214R
      Tu-214R 14 May 2016 19: 19
      0
      So, the government began to generate plans, not because of its will, but because the president said this. And two years ago Manturov spoke in the State Duma and he was asked a question about the domestic aircraft industry, such as why we are not building our own, but we are buying, they asked about TU-334. His answer was this, let's talk about pressing problems, and not about vegetable depots - he answered boldly and without explanation.
      1. Tu-214R
        Tu-214R 14 May 2016 19: 45
        0
        Here's how he replied: "I would recommend these pilots are better off not maintaining the vegetable depots and the markets they sponsor, but really developing aviation."
        http://военный-пенсионер.рф/voennie-novosti-mo-i-mvd-pf/9478-manturov_letchiki_k
        ritikujushie_aviaprom_dolzhni_rabotat_a_ne_sponsirovat_rinki.html
        ps kapets, what kind of engine on this site, firefox almost freezes when you open VO. I wanted to edit the message above, the error popped up and that’s all, the comment cannot be deleted or edited.
  30. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 16 May 2016 09: 43
    0
    Head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade RF Manturov of course will buy a dock in business - to sell, but among competent specialists involved in the creation and operation of aircraft his number is sixth.
  31. Eustace
    Eustace 20 May 2016 10: 26
    0
    The decision on the production of IL-114 aircraft in the Russian Federation was made at a meeting with the President of the Russian Federation.
    I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the interview of the General Designer of OJSC "Il" Talikov Nikolai Dmitrievich, published in the Military-Industrial Courier No. 18 for 2016. soldier