Washington allowed only one importer to modify F-35 - Israel

Usually, the United States does not allow foreign buyers to modify their military products, this also applies to the latest F-35, but Israel has been exempted, reports Look with reference to the magazine Wired.

“Israel will be the first US ally to receive the aircraft. This is expected to happen in December. In the foreseeable future, the IDF will be the only armed forces who will be allowed to modify the car to fit their needs, ”the magazine writes.

In particular, the Israelis "will install specialized software on F-35 in order to integrate new machines into the command system of the country's air force," says the publication.

Missiles, which equip the fighter, will also be Israeli-made.

According to the publication, "one of the reasons why Israel was allowed to modify the fifth-generation fighter was the close cooperation of the military of the two countries in the field of high technologies."

Another reason, most likely, is that "Israel is a key ally of the United States in one of the most problematic regions of the world - in the Middle East," the magazine notes.

Comments

[tiredwithall]

Everything is fine. Once again demonstrated unity. It is only the appearance that there are two separate countries.

[max702]

Quote: tiredwithall

Everything is fine. Once again demonstrated unity. It is only the appearance that there are two separate countries.

And the big question is which of them is the main ... Although for a long time it has been clear who .. Right now they will run from the promised land and explain that everything acquired exclusively by their excessive work ..

[gray smeet]

It seems (I can be wrong), Israel today celebrates the 68th anniversary of the founding of the state, by the way this is the only official (state) holiday in the country ....

[Darkmor]

To upgrade something that doesn’t really fly ...

[tiredwithall]

In extreme cases, they have a steam catapult.

[Observer2014]

Darkmor EU Today, 12:00 PM New
To upgrade something that doesn’t really fly ...

It will fly in Israel. There is a country like the Moscow region in size. So there’s no need to fly really. I took off after 30 seconds, launched a rocket and sat down Moreover, the planes are "free."

In particular, the Israelis "will install specialized software on F-35 in order to integrate new machines into the command system of the country's air force," says the publication.

When the engine is started, the display will show "shalom" on. Well, in a region where there are a lot of "friends" who have air defense of the level of the 50s of the last century. That will be just supermen. Look around quietly to Iran and jerk off there so that it will not be a flock of it.

[Observer2014]

I want to add .F35 this aircraft was made against weak countries. And if it were not for Russia it would have been adopted long ago. This is a plane of "clear sky." For f15 b f18, for example, you need to fly calmly all medium and shorter range air defense from the enemy turn off Yugoslavia remember Iraq and so on. And in order for this miracle to fly quietly, it would be necessary that the anti-aircraft defense system was outdated in the 50s, 60s of the last century. And against the Russian air defense systems, it's just a "penguin". So they went crazy in the Pentagon. The plane was made, but against Russia it was just a "penguin" not decently mnogo. Even by American measures. And the Russians have both air defense and aviation ready for a "warm" meeting. Now on s400 and other Russian air defense systems. Orders will tumble down So do not tear your soul, let the Jews play with the "new" American toy, even if I want to.

[Seren]

So there is the S-300. Where the 35th with the 300th equals)))

[Skifotavr]

Quote: seren

So there is the S-300. Where the 35th with the 300th equals)))

Most importantly, do not forget to turn off the stealth mode of the F-35 on the ground. And you yourself will be looking for it for a long time

[Vadim237]

F 35 just fly perfectly, and problems due to the fact that the plane turned out to be too clever.

[guzik007]

F 35 just fly perfectly, and problems due to the fact that the plane turned out to be too clever.
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Wow! Like in that joke:
Grandfather. How are you? Good?
-Yes how to say ...
- It turns out bad?
- Yes, that’s good, granddaughter, that’s a bad thing.

[Vadim237]

The fact that he flies very well is indicated by a series of already built aircraft in the amount of 170 units, plus 121 more in the construction.

[Winnie76]

The thrust-weight ratio is not enough, you understand one engine, but it flies well This is the fifth generation, if the penguin is invisible - nobody needs cruising supersonic

[Operator]

Penguins are not known to fly
The F-35 just has the infamous 1700 km / h - less than the MiG-21. No Israeli software can change that.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Operator

Penguins are not known to fly
The F-35 just has the infamous 1700 km / h - less than the MiG-21. No Israeli software can change that.

And at what speeds do an air battle take place? Or attack the air defense system? I give a tip the average speed of the tank in battle 25km / h, and the maximum? Aviation, of course, has a lower drop in speed, but they do not work at the speeds at which they fly.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: Operator

Penguins are not known to fly
The F-35 just has the infamous 1700 km / h - less than the MiG-21. No Israeli software can change that.

And at what speeds do an air battle take place? Or attack the air defense system? I give a tip the average speed of the tank in battle 25km / h, and the maximum? Aviation, of course, has a lower drop in speed, but they do not work at the speeds at which they fly.

Close maneuverable aerial combat can be fought at different speeds - but on all of them the F-35 will lose to any 4th generation fighter, and possibly to some representatives of the 3rd. His aerodynamics are lousy, the wing area is very small, the mass is large (which is why the thrust-to-weight ratio was not very good), the fuselage does not create lifting force, there is no controlled thrust vector, and there is no cruising supersonic. And the EPR he specifically increased in order to fit into the congressional restrictions on the sale of stealth aircraft abroad. It turned out to be a freak. As for your statement about the unimportance of maximum speed, there is a limit to everything. For a bomber, such a speed would still be normal, but when performing the interceptor function, speed has one of the most important indicators.

[Vadim237]

The thrust-weight ratio is not enough - oh well, the combat load is F 35 - 9200 kilograms, with the enemy air defense destroyed, he will still be visible or not.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Winnie76

The thrust-weight ratio is not enough, you understand one engine, but it flies well This is the fifth generation, if the penguin is invisible - nobody needs cruising supersonic

What nonsense. The thrust-to-weight ratio is excellent.

[godofwar6699]

for idiots

[Same lech]

"One of the reasons why Israel was allowed to modify the fifth generation fighter was the close cooperation of the two countries' military in high technology."

Here, some Israeli comrades said something about the pragmatism of ISRAEL in relation to RUSSIA ...
As we can see in the field of high technologies, what is most interesting for RUSSIA. Jews, as always, pragmatically closed the faucet together with the USA, a trickle of new technologies is not available to us.

So there are only Israeli tomatoes and hehe oranges ... long live Jewish pragmatism.

[tiredwithall]

Of course, I’m not from Israel, but you somehow misunderstood the essence of the issue. Israel's pragmatism towards Russia is when Israel needs something. And when Russia is colonialism.

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: tiredwithall

Israel's pragmatism towards Russia is when Israel needs something. And when Russia is colonialism.

You would ... tell us about the pragmatism of Belarus towards Russia. It’s probably special, you’re fraternal peoples, no matter how.

[mav1971]

Quote: The same Lech

Here, some Israeli comrades said something about the pragmatism of ISRAEL in relation to RUSSIA ...
As we can see in the field of high technologies, what is most interesting for RUSSIA. Jews, as always, pragmatically closed the faucet together with the USA, a trickle of new technologies is not available to us.

So there are only Israeli tomatoes and hehe oranges ... long live Jewish pragmatism.

The Israelis have a point of view about the Soviet Union and Russia.
"Everything that is conveyed to the Russians will most likely end up in the hands of the Arabs of Palestine, Syria, etc."

They have had too many wars over the past 60 years, in which the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation were directly or indirectly on the side of the enemies.
And the Russian Weapons were killing them, albeit in Arab hands.
And even in Russian hands too!
If you look at the participants in the hostilities of the Arab-Israeli wars since 1965 year.

To hit yourself with your own weapon is, to put it mildly, stupidity bordering on insanity.
Weapons and military technologists in their country are created for their safety.
Why create a weapon directed against himself?
That Tel Aviv and does not supply in the Russian Federation anything capable of harming them.

[Same lech]

To hit yourself with your own weapon is, to put it mildly, stupidity bordering on insanity.

This problem can be solved with the help of a legally binding contract and it can be controlled by ISRAEL ...
if Jews don’t follow this path, then they don’t trust us ...
it means relations between our countries will not go beyond trade in secondary goods and services.

Therefore, talking about friendship and cooperation with ISRAEL always provokes caustic sarcasm in me.
As for the grievances of the Jews ... we can recall the activities of their comrades in their time a lot of salted RUSSIA and the Russian people.

However, I will not develop this topic further ... it is too provocative and they will easily send me to the ban ... I am silent like a fish.

[mav1971]

Quote: The same Lech

However, I will not develop this topic further ... it is too provocative and they will easily send me to the ban ... I am silent like a fish.

It's not about "developing the theme."

The point is the ability to look at the task from all sides.
You just have to try to think and eventually learn to understand the cause and effect relationships of certain actions.

If you know how to look at the same map of the area through the eyes of both defense and attack, you have a chance of winning.
If only in one direction, you always lose.
Always look from all sides and analyze.

[Seren]

Checked by time. At one time, Russia solemnly promised that the Yakhonts and Cornets would not get to Hezbollah. Hezbollah now has both

[Seren]

Why do you need our military technology? Russian military technologies are the best in the world, so it makes sense to encourage domestic developers

[mav1971]

Quote: seren

Why do you need our military technology? Russian military technologies are the best in the world, so it makes sense to encourage domestic developers

Well, right off the heels of your technologies and "utilities" I would be happy to tidy up for a very scrupulous study.

Most of all, a helmet for a penguin with all its bindings is interesting and software.
Only one is needed.
For photographing. :)
Present? :)

[Seren]

What about a robot surgeon with whom the results of operations are greatly improved? Or is the development of Russian medicine uninteresting?
Or a dramatic increase in agricultural productivity?
Is the wedge light converging on Israeli military technology?

[mav1971]

Quote: seren

What about a robot surgeon with whom the results of operations are greatly improved? Or is the development of Russian medicine uninteresting?
Or a dramatic increase in agricultural productivity?

I want to answer with an Internet meme :)

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

, a trickle of new technologies is not available to us.

Why do you need technology? You, people are launching into space, you have land where you can’t poke stuffed with minerals of the entire periodic table. And people? And people, educated and spiritual, create and have no analogue in the world.

Quote: The same LYOKHA

So only Israeli tomatoes and hehe oranges remain

But I don’t understand this at all ... okay oranges (Syria and Iran grow oranges, could help for free at all), but tomatoes? Only one Crimea can feed the whole country. Why do you need some kind of technology, and even from Israel?

[Zaurbek]

No, it’s just that the Jews always have the threat of a real war and have experience of sanctions from arms suppliers. So people want to control their own, in the future, main combat aircraft. Other users have a theoretical threat of war (not frightened by their comrades in life) and therefore eat what the Americans give them. In addition to Israel, even Britain gave access to the source codes for the equipment.

[Same lech]

No, it’s just that the Jews always have the threat of a real war and have experience of sanctions from arms suppliers. So people want to control their own, in the future, main combat aircraft.

Or maybe it's just a matter of money .... and ISRAEL has put a demand on the United States ...
procurement only for your needs ... as we know the Jewish lobbies in the US Congress will sell everything they need with money.

[Zaurbek]

If you need an assault rifle to shoot, then you have to choose one at a time. If the parade is worn, then in a different way.

[Same lech]

If you need an assault rifle to shoot, then you have to choose one at a time.

A protracted war requires cheap and reliable weapons ...
Does the F-35 meet these requirements?

Of course not...
by the way, ISRAELI know better where to invest the money ... probably they don’t peck their chickens from them.

[Zaurbek]

Why not? The engine resource is not bad, the combat readiness is high, they service themselves, Israel produces ammunition itself. By the 2nd month of the war, only birds and flies will fly at enemies, there will be no air defense at all. And what will prevent the F-35 from bombing for a long time and flying in a protracted war? The supply of spare parts is only the fact that engine maintenance is established in Turkey.

[Same lech]

By the 2nd month of the war, only birds and flies will fly at enemies, there will be no air defense at all.

By the second month of the war, the enemy will draw conclusions and switch to combat tactics that reduce losses from air raids ...
F-35 will not chase single targets in the desert.
As for air defense, the enemy can use the most unexpected options ...
The war in SYRIA shows that even the civilian population is used to protect against air raids ...
so it’s not so simple.

[Zaurbek]

This is a guerrilla war and Apache and motorized infantry will go on board. There is experience in Lebanon, when civilians went under the knife ....

[Zaurbek]

This is a guerrilla war and Apache and motorized infantry will go on board. There is experience in Lebanon, when civilians went under the knife ....

[Zaurbek]

Plus, the AOI will have trained pilots for the F-35 and the infrastructure and retired cars can be easily reimbursed from the USA

[Zaurbek]

Plus, the AOI will have trained pilots for the F-35 and the infrastructure and retired cars can be easily reimbursed from the USA

[Velizariy]

Israel will get them FREE! He does not need to allocate funds to buy these Pepelians) The Amts will give them money themselves and they will buy the 35th from them, don’t worry about the Israeli budget, it's Jewish)

[mav1971]

Quote: The same Lech

If you need an assault rifle to shoot, then you have to choose one at a time.

A protracted war requires cheap and reliable weapons ...
Does the F-35 meet these requirements?

Again you have the wrong prerequisites.
Have you seen the history of the Arab-Israeli wars?

Were there protracted wars?

They are in the ring of enemies.
In complete blockade, they are very easy to take.

They will not withstand a protracted war in principle.
Not more than 2 weeks.
For simply small.

The whole concept of their defense is this: inflicting over the course of 3-7 days such unacceptably overwhelming damage to all possible surroundings that will force the attackers to stop the aggression.
And I think so that they are calculating their strength in the simultaneous attack of the entire Islamic environment (from Syria, Jordan, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Sauddites, Qatar).
I believe that they will cope with all this code during 1-2 weeks.
They have enough weapons and equipment.
But no longer.

[Seren]

If the Jewish lobby in the congress were as strong as it is commonly thought, the threatening Israeli existence would not be signed and ratified

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: seren

If the Jewish lobby in the congress were as strong as it is commonly thought, the threatening Israeli existence would not be signed and ratified

Shhhh ... this is a complicated logical riddle. Given only to those who studied sopromat.

[RedBaron]

Quote: Darkmor

To upgrade something that doesn’t really fly ...

The more stars on couches, the worse the F35 flies

[Same lech]

The more stars on couches, the worse the F35 flies

The fewer stars on the shoulder straps, the more generals kick the lower ranks

For God's sake .... I can give my shoulder straps to you ... I have already eaten my ears with these shoulder straps.

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

For God's sake .... I can give my epaulettes to you ... I already ate my ears with these epaulets

Yalla, give it to him! You, you’ll quickly talk to yourself about new ones.

[VP]

Something I'm skeptical about the result of modernization. The platform itself is stubbornly buggy, what will happen to it if left devices are also hung on it

[Yak-15]

Well, it’s completely understandable. The two biggest friends are Sausage and Wolfy Fuck. The airplane in the photo is just a spilled pregnant cockroach.

[ovod84]

F 35 it’s drizzling with the Yankees constantly I think the Jews will not drizzle and it will turn into something else than it was with the Yankees

[Dimon19661]

And yet, this is the second fifth generation fighter adopted by the US Air Force, so the irony of some of the couch X-Experts is not clear to me ...

[VP]

Is he accepted?

[Yak-15]

You can take as much as you like, but they have no hemorrhoids. Or do they want a lot of hemorrhoids?

[Altona]

Quote: Dimon19661

And yet, this is the second fifth generation fighter adopted by the US Air Force,

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Yesterday, the article was about a problem in the software, that it requires a reboot after three hours. And in general, 179 pieces have been manufactured in fact. True, yesterday I went through the links, they promise that Lockheed Martin will eliminate all the jambs by 2019, the cost of the fighter will fall to $ 80 million (although it is not clear what officials in the Pentagon and congressmen will eat if they cut off the lobbyist delta for "product promotion"), the conveyor will be released to the design capacity of 17 cars per month. Everything will fly, shoot, be network-centric and generally super-duper. Until then, YOUR SYSTEM IS FAILED AND WILL BE RELOAD! PLEASE WAIT!

[Minsk]

Which does not meet the requirements of the 5th generation.

[Arkan]

Syria is nearby, our people will watch this "invisible".

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: Arkan

Syria is nearby, our people will watch this "invisible".

Pancake!!! and for F22 in Alaska is not fate to watch?

[Skubudu]

Do not overestimate and publicize the possibilities of Israel. If they are so technologically advanced, then where is their 5th generation fighter or at least a technology demonstrator? So far, their defense industry can only copy the French phantom of the 3rd generation, the drawings of which were safely stolen by Jewish spies.

[Seren]

A 4-generation Lavi fighter was also developed, now it is in service in China. Regarding the development and production of the 5th generation, it is not economically feasible, it is more correct to improve American aircraft

[Marconi41]

All right you say. There is nothing to argue about. It is enough to recall Israeli upgrades to the F-15, amers never dreamed of. The United States may subsequently buy Jewish finishing touch Light.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: seren

A 4-generation Lavi fighter was also developed, now it is in service in China.

Only the Chinese do not talk about it

[bert123]

Is it a matter of Russian technological capabilities:

http://www.rbc.ru/society/12/05/2016/573492949a7947c8d34fbf98

[Altona]

Quote: Skubudu

Do not overestimate and publicize the possibilities of Israel. If they are so technologically advanced, then where is their 5th generation fighter or at least a technology demonstrator? So far, their defense industry can only copy the French phantom of the 3rd generation, the drawings of which were safely stolen by Jewish spies.

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It stands like 4 4th-generation fighters, there are many electronics and composites there. Israel simply will not pull for money. Seran below wrote correctly.

[guzik007]

Washington allowed only one importer to modify F-35 - Israel
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And then I think, why do I have it in the documentation for the car: "Any change made to your car leads to the loss of warranty. The point is in the fifth paragraph!

[Sergey-8848]

Maybe even they will fix it - that was the promise. Although all people ( all) - hands are arranged by zagrebulok to themselves - they hope in vain!

[corporal]

Quote: VP

if you also hang left devices on it

There is nothing left, only everything of its own. Avionics is completely Israeli.
Well, more than once it was discussed here.

[VP]

What do you mean "only your own"?
On the 35th, a single software package that controls everything and which is constantly buggy.
Israel cannot rewrite it, because there is engine control, etc. etc.
Any integration of "only your own" into it will require a change in this software package. Which is unstable there too.

[Aaron Zawi]

Thank you, of course, for your attention, but why you guys are so worried about the fighting ability of the Israeli Air Force I don’t understand.
In general, we are slowly getting ready. Not without it.

The first two fifth-generation F-35i combat aircraft will arrive in Israel in December 2016. Without waiting for their arrival, the Israeli Air Force began testing local weapons, converted specifically for the new aircraft.
The exact information is currently classified, but it is known that under the F-35, among other things, Spice systems were modified, turning conventional bombs into "smart" ones, as well as air-to-air missiles with infrared and radar guidance.

According to the Flightglobal portal, the tests were carried out on F-15 and F-16 aircraft.

[Winnie76]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

but why are you guys so worried about the fighting ability of the Israeli Air Force, I don’t understand.

But we are worried. You are also worried about PAK Anyway, bored without you on the site. No one to pin ... in a friendly way ...

[godofwar6699]

good days to come

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

In general, we are slowly getting ready.

I understand that all Space above 250, do not fit inside, but only on external suspensions.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: MACCABI-TLV

Quote: Aron Zaavi

In general, we are slowly getting ready.

I understand that all Space above 250, do not fit inside, but only on external suspensions.

"1000" -integrated.

[Oleg7700]

Needless to say, a 1000 lb Spice1000 integrates internally. It even houses 2000 lb MK84, penetrating BLU-109, or JDAM. Moreover, two bombs are placed on a standard (70cm between the axles) two-point suspension, if the internal safe volume of the compartment is enough. There are doubts ...

[Aaron Zawi]

And toss the woods into the fire of the argument. And then the policy is already sickened. Here is an opinion from American flyers.

While the U.S. Air Force plans to announce the initial operational readiness of F-35A fighters by the end of the year, observers still warn of schedule delays, logistics system malfunctions, and software failures, defensenews.com reports (May 11).
But at the Edwards base, other moods reign. Pilots and technicians say they are happy to work with this plane. In their opinion, the F-35 is a huge step forward compared to existing combat aircraft. According to Lt. Col. Raja Chari, the F-35 pilot can fully concentrate on the mission, which is achieved thanks to the highest level of automation of the technical systems of the aircraft. “Managing it is as easy as breathing,” he says, with extensive experience flying F-15s. The pilot would see two large iPads, and he can separate and enlarge the image on the display to see the operation of different systems. Pilots are also very pleased with the high maneuverability of the aircraft at large angles of attack, but this information is largely classified, the officer said.
In combination with a third-generation helmet, avionics gives the pilot a complete picture of air combat, the information content is much more than on previous-generation aircraft, says Shari. A plane with the final Block 3F software that provides for the use of the AIM-9X short-range aerial combat missiles, combined with a high-tech board and helmet-mounted target designation, completely changes the picture of a dogfighting game-changer, says the lieutenant colonel.
Cody Patters, an aircraft technician with experience with the A-10 and F-16, says F-35 maintenance has become much easier. The only thing he does not like is waiting for the computer to restart to complete a new task. “We could teach you how to serve the F-35 in 15 minutes,” he says.
The on-board computer is important for detecting damage to the stealth skin of the aircraft, and the maintenance of the on-board gun is also greatly simplified.

[Manul]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Thank you, of course, for your attention, but why you guys are so worried about the fighting ability of the Israeli Air Force I don’t understand.

Well, this is mutual with us.

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Here is an opinion from American flyers.

The opinion of American flyers is obviously clear to us. When will your pilots share their impressions? Or have flights not been allowed before installing new software?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Manul

The opinion of American flyers is obviously clear to us. When will your pilots share their impressions? Or have flights not been allowed before installing new software?

Well, this is not until the next year.

[Seren]

Our flyers are already training in Edwards on American 35's. And in December of this year, the first 2 cars will arrive to us. I read the impressions of our flyers from F-35. We have to rebuild thinking. On the 4 generation, they got used to breaking through the air defense system at an altitude of 50 meters. On the 35-x this is done at an altitude of 5-6 km due to stealth

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: seren

Our flyers are already training in Edwards on American 35's. And in December of this year, the first 2 cars will arrive to us. I read the impressions of our flyers from F-35. We have to rebuild thinking. On the 4 generation, they got used to breaking through the air defense system at an altitude of 50 meters. On the 35-x this is done at an altitude of 5-6 km due to stealth

How in Yugoslavia 1999 of the year?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

How in Yugoslavia 1999 of the year?

Why laughter? Well, one stealth shot down Yugoslav air defense, but the country didn’t cover the country. Other stealth cars made hundreds of sorties and bomb strikes and returned to the base. Yes, bring down a dozen of these machines by the Yugoslavs, but in the end, get the same rulatta, who would be better off from this?

[bert123]

no like in Georgia in 2008

[Winnie76]

And what about stealth in the dm range, do not remind? 5 km is great, it will be visible from afar, the radio horizon is no longer a hindrance

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Winnie76

And what about stealth in the dm range, do not remind? 5 km is great, it will be visible from afar, the radio horizon is no longer a hindrance

While this is all at the level of rumors.

[Swed]

I don’t even know who is more cunning .... USA-Israel will "finish" we will introduce it for free; Israel - we will get it for free, we will finish it and will continue to build everyone in our region.

[ISSIDOR]

Israel must succeed, the country has the necessary potential.

[Oleg7700]

Natanyahu consecrated the wings of the white-blue Israeli assembly. Lockheed is very pleased with their first batch ...