FSB acquires 2 reconnaissance aircraft DA42M-NG

According to the message on the state procurement website, the FSB of the Russian Federation purchases “from a single supplier” 2 of DA42M-NG light aircraft developed by Diamond Aircraft (Austria) and additional equipment in reconnaissance version, reports blog bmpd.

Light aircraft Diamond DA42 NG assembly JSC "Ural Civil Plant aviation”, Which is part of the airmobile segment of the integrated monitoring system developed by RTI Aerospace Systems LLC, during demonstration flights at the Moscow air show MAKS-2015. Zhukovsky, August 2015

The maximum contract value is defined in 758,28 million rubles. The order must be completed before the end of November 2017. Planes must be placed in the Stavropol Territory (the exact place is not indicated).

“The one who is defined as the sole supplier is not mentioned in the notice, but it is easy to guess that it is Ural Civil Aviation Plant JSC (UZGA, Yekaterinburg), which organized the assembly of light aircraft DA2013 (single-engine) and DA40 (twin-engine) from car kits from Diamond Aircraft, ”commented the blogger.

Proprietary Diamond DA42М-NG Guardian aircraft-demonstrator in reconnaissance version (OE-VRX registration) at the Farnborough air show, 09.07.2012

Help bmpd: “Diamond DA42 twin-engine light planes in variants for reconnaissance and surveillance with equipment of various types of target load, embodying a kind of the concept of a manned BLA, are widely popular all over the world. According to Diamond Aircraft company itself, only in July 2014 of the world in 27 countries of the world private companies, law enforcement agencies, special services and armed forces operated DA130 42 aircraft in “special” versions. ”

Comments

[evil partisan]

As I understand it, we have a full ambush with engines for light aircraft, since we are buying simple airplanes ... Or am I wrong?

[Michael67]

If necessary, then foreign can be purchased.
It is good that we are developing and development money is allocated.

[cniza]

In this case, it is more profitable and cheaper, and our assembly ... at least something.

[RUSS]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

since we are buying unpretentious airplanes

Rather, the fact is that the need for them is minimal, so you don’t need to develop your own at least now, but it is easier to purchase from the Austrians piece by piece, well, we hope that in the foreseeable future we will see our new drones.

[Lopatov]

Quote: RUSS

Rather, the fact is that the need for them is minimal.

The need for such aircraft is enormous. One "Avialesokhrana" needs hundreds of light aircraft

[RUSS]

Quote: Spade

The need for such aircraft is enormous. One "Avialesokhrana" needs hundreds of light aircraft

Now both satellite cuttings and fires are visible.
The space monitoring system of the Ministry of Emergencies is organized not only in Moscow, where all the information is accumulated, but also in Vologda, Krasnoyarsk and Vladivostok. Four times a day, information from satellites on thermal points in the forests is processed and communicated to the territorial divisions of the Ministry of Emergencies of Russia in the form of graphs. If the cloudiness is not strong over the problem area, then about 70-75 percent of fires are detected from space. Those objects that are five kilometers from the outbreak are considered to be in the danger zone and are subject to further control. Rescuers paid special attention not only to settlements, but also to gas and oil pipelines, highways, railway lines and border zones. The country's forest protection is also engaged in daily space monitoring.

[yehat]

how long does it take to get frames from a satellite?
I think not a little! And fires are not just objects, they are actively changing
and the plane in an hour or two after the request can give information in real time,
what's important.

[RUSS]

Quote: yehat

And fires are not just objects, they are actively changing, and an hour or two after a request can issue real-time information, which is important.

Currently, the Russian Emergencies Ministry has created 143 units for the use of unmanned aerial vehicles (each with 3 to 5 specialists), which are equipped with 285 unmanned aerial vehicles (of which 38 are aircraft, the rest are helicopter).

In 2015, 200 Phantom-3 unmanned vehicles (weighing 1,3 kg) were purchased, which were received by the Leader Special Risk Operations Center, the Centrospas detachment, military rescue units, aviation rescue centers, and regional search and rescue centers. rescue teams, 85 Unmanned Aircraft Centers created in each Main Directorate of the Ministry for Emergencies in the Russian Federation, specialized fire and rescue units.

[BARKAS]

You don’t notice the start of a fire, or even just a fire from the satellite, but you can easily get off the plane, that's why we work with the duty officer on constant radio communication with the pilots. If smoke is noticed, we immediately go to the place, we often manage to put out the fire at the very beginning without attracting large forces!

[evgenii67]

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Quote: RUSS

The country's forest protection is also engaged in daily space monitoring.

yes, but this bird is very interesting with its LTH.
But I am still killing the opinion of the general, who at the intercom time .. has been in my Oryol region. Like ready for a fire hazard? From the Oryol region, the regiment states that the CIS in the region is enough to eliminate natural fires, and forests occupy only 8% of the region)))
And the general: you are not ready for nichrome ... Do you have a Mi-8 with APU?
Colonel from the Orylor region: yes there is ... 2
general: and the Be-200 ????
Colonel: we do not have suitable reservoirs for the adoption of the Be-200
general: negotiate with the neighboring region, there Kursk is.
Colonel: yes. got it.


Now the question is, is the general adequate in general ????
this car needs to fly about 200km in order to lose 12t of water, only 12t Karl and back 200 km scratching for another gas station ... oh, these generals.

[evgenii67]

map

Here's what the Be-200’s work map takes off from the Kursk Region. to eliminate the fire in Oryol. General - I.D.O.T.T.

[ism_ek]

200 km for the Be-200 is negligible. More fuel to take off and land leaves. Well, 12 tons of water, with proper use - this is not enough. Forest fires do not extinguish. They are being stopped.

[evgenii67]

Quote: ism_ek

00 km for the Be-200 is negligible. More fuel to take off and land leaves. Well, 12 tons of water, with proper use - this is not enough. Forest fires do not extinguish. They are being stopped.

maybe, but take a look at the map))) in Oryol Oblast. there are almost no forests, which means you can reach any place by land and lay hose lines from ATshezek and calmly ensure the supply of water in the amount necessary to extinguish a natural fire. As for 12t of water, this is not enough, especially since the discharge may not be accurate. The use of standard AC 3.0-40 fire tankers (KAMAZ, ZIL ...) in this case is much more efficient and cheaper than the Be-200.

When refueling with 200 kg of fuel, the Be-7200 can fly 1800km, i.e. 1km = 4kg of fuel (somehow it’s a little consumption, but even so, I didn’t find another info), which means that to the Oryol forest (400km round-trip) the aircraft will use up 400 (km) x 4 (kg) = 1600 kg + TAKEOFF, LANDING, WATER INTAKE, this aircraft will use up and this in order to lose 12 tons of water and then it will not fall. And yes, forest fires EXTINGUISH. I don't know what you stop there

[ism_ek]

Quote: evgenii67

and this is in order to lose 12 tons of water

These 12 tons are dumped at a time. The use of aviation is expensive. It should be used after careful reconnaissance and preparation.
Tankers are useless to extinguish a forest fire.

[evgenii67]

Quote: ism_ek

Tankers are useless to extinguish a forest fire.

Well, everything is clear with you. Excuse me, where do you work? Not, of course, it’s clear that without a tractor that makes a normal min.band in a forest fire, you don’t need to do anything (although it depends on what kind of fire), even a counter fall is necessary, but ACs are useless Well, in crooked hands, any technique is useless, but if you organize an uninterrupted supply of water, and unwind a couple of kilometers of sleeves (if the distances are large, but the technique will not pass) ... eeeh it was fun.

[evgenii67]

I forgot to add that the Be-200 is the same tanker, it can only take 4 times more water than AC 3.0-40, for example, but water can be supplied directly to the outbreak from ATseshki and these three tons can be extinguished by hundreds of meters of edge, and with 200 12 tons of water spills out instantly and then it will or will not get because the speed when dumping is about 200 km / h and for example a ground fire, and the forest is very dense, a lot of water will reach the earth ?! water breaking off the tops of trees will fall down along with branches, which is not so bad for fire + risk on the ground is to get under water attack from the sky.

[ism_ek]

Quote: RUSS

Now both deforestation and fires are visible from satellites

The satellite gives a maximum resolution of 1 meter. For the needs of the FSB, greater accuracy is needed.

[v.yegorov]

The simplest is an eyewitness call. But when the people stopped
to be the owner of forests, fields and bowels, he will not save
the good of the capitalist, on the contrary, will contribute to the fire. And there are many examples. And what if they pass the law,
prohibiting the collection of deadwood, it does not recall the feudal times?

[Mechanic]

The demand for light aircraft is really huge, but not for those that the Office purchased.

[potroshenko]

embodying a kind of "manned UAV" concept, are widely popular all over the world

what is this "concept of mutually exclusive paragraphs"?

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Mechanic

The demand for light aircraft is really huge, but not for those that the Office purchased.

Those. it was necessary not 2, but one?

FSB acquires 2 reconnaissance aircraft

[zadorin1974]

Russia has a huge need for super light aircraft; here and forest protection, monitoring of water bodies, gas and oil pipelines, sanitation and many other places. Operating aircraft is several times cheaper than helicopters. If you take Canada as a sample, then in rural areas the number of small aircraft can catch up with the number of cars in the near future.

[slovak007]

Comrades / Gopoda! (How anyone) You don’t know much and look badly, here’s an example of the Trotter (for more details see http://www.samspace.ru/multimedia/images/selected_images/155/):

[Mechanic]

Well, we can do it ourselves! So why do not we develop production? The evil partisan is right.

[donavi49]

No.

1) There is no trotter, no certificate = no aircraft.
2) The engines there are Made in USA. And pushing them harder than the entire Austrian side.
3) The project died, all signatories of the intention and generally interested customers abandoned it even 2 years ago, when they saw what happened. There is no production site. KB ran into 2015.

[RUSS]

Quote: donavi49

Made in the USA.

Sounds right "maid in Yu S N"

[slovak007]

1) Certification work is already underway, 5 pieces have already been manufactured for testing.
2) In the original version, yes - imported, now we will put
3) The project has not died, the enterprise (the rocket and space center) stands and works, and even the profit brings, though not much. And about KB, so there own in structure and specialists are not bad.
So don’t panic!

[Major Yurik]

I wondered if it would be time to fasten the fly, the spirit that came out in the morning to pee from the caches somewhere near Makhachkala, seeing this useful reconnaissance plane instead of soaring eagles in the sky?

[ovod84]

Well said, cheered up.

[Scoun]

Quote: wicked partisan

As I understand it, we have a full ambush with engines for light aircraft, since we are buying simple airplanes ... Or am I wrong?

I think so here is the totality and key phrase here.

Bmpd help: “Diamond DA42 twin-engine light aircraft in options for reconnaissance and surveillance, equipped with various options for the target load, embodying a kind of "manned UAV" concept,

[max702]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

As I understand it, we have a full ambush with engines for light aircraft, since we are buying simple airplanes ... Or am I wrong?

We have a fierce ambush with all small-sized engines, both with automobiles and with aviation .. There was no diesel 1.9-3l, and there are no engines for small-scale mechanization from motoblocks to loaders either .. Yes, and in the cargo segment, perhaps less modern this is the YMZ-536/534 family, but everything is important (injection, turbine, etc.) import .. On buses they put an engine from "Belorus" then they shake at idle like a seizure .. Alas, in motor engineering, the lag behind world leaders is very large .. Which is even strange, having the best rocket engines, aviation for military needs is quite at the level for a civilian, we are able to make nuclear reactors for everything and everyone, but the simplest engines for cars in the deepest enclosure against this background, which is pretty sad ..

[25ru]

Quote: max702

The buses are equipped with an engine from a "Belorus", then they shake at idle like an epileptic ..

Where is such a perversion come up with?

[Ros 56]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

. Or am I wrong?

We have always had an ambush with engines for light equipment, and air, and ship, and cars with moto. All the homemade products either made themselves (and good samples) or bought imported ones.

[Aaron Zawi]

Well done. All the same, the FSB, by virtue of its capabilities, is not shy in the absence of a domestic counterpart to buy the best on the market for the most effective solution of existing problems.

[yehat]

The FSB just showed others - we will invest as we want and how much we want, and you spin as you know. It's just another version of the "hut on the edge". And there is nothing good about it.
If there was a competition for these devices and not narrowly departmental, but taking into account other departments, this would be honest. Because they say it right - the need is not for 2 cars.

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Something terrible, the main thing is that it should not be harmful. . . to the state. I understand the airplane is not a landing ship. . . but still a bad lesson learned.

[FID]

Import substitution, damn it, in action ... Moreover, from car kits, i.e. our only screwdrivers ...

[Makk]

Screwdrivers are unlikely, yes.

[25ru]

Quote: SSI

Import substitution, damn it, in action ... Moreover, from car kits, i.e. our only screwdrivers ...

Come on. The screwdriver assembly is also different. Now try to find an explanation on the example of the car industry. Here. This is an example of a group of companies South Korean Daewoo Bus Global and Chinese Dongfeng
"... use of the SKD or CKD vehicle assembly technology (the letter KD means Knocked Down, that is," disassembled ").
CKD (Completely Knocked Down) is an assembly of completely disassembled car kits, in fact a full-fledged production with welding and painting of bodies, which now exists at AvtoVAZ, GAZ, UAZ, TagAZ, at Ford, Toyota plants.
SKD (Semi Knocked Down, in Primorye is called the "designer") - a simpler production, which is often called the "screwdriver" or large-site. Automobile parts are delivered to the factory from abroad in special metal conveyors. This car body, engine, suspension elements, transmission and other details. Mazda Sollers Manufacturing Rus LLC (MSMR), a joint venture of the Japanese automaker Mazda and the Russian company Sollers, has taken this path.
But if you compare the methodology for assembling cars abroad and how cars are assembled in Russia, these are two big differences. The build quality does not depend on advanced solutions at the plant and high-tech equipment, but on those directly involved in the technological process on the conveyor. This also applies to the screwdriver assembly of SKD vehicles.
The simplest technology is SKD 0, which is also sometimes called DKD (Disassembled Knock Down): the engine, gearbox, suspension, and some smaller components (mirrors, headlights, bumpers, etc.) are removed from a ready-made car to pass through Customs as a car kit. For example, the Volkswagen plant in Kaluga worked on such technology.
SKD technologies 1, 2 and 3 provide for an increase in the number of operations in the assembly production, and the most "advanced" level is the SKD 4 small-knot assembly, which is also called MKD (Medium Knocked Down). In this case, the factory receives “naked” painted bodies and a full set of components. Of course, assembling cars from such kits takes much more time and resources than SKDs, but as a result, the cost of the car should be lower, and the degree of production localization, respectively, higher. An example of such an approach to car assembly is the BMW site at the Kaliningrad Avtotor .... "

[Yak-15]

As Vereshchagin said: "It's a shame for the state." Strange, a mighty space and aviation power, but we cannot start producing light aircraft. It's just not clear.

[NordUral]

Why is it incomprehensible? Everything is clearly done so that they couldn’t release anything further. We have such leading guys for whom our own production is like a sickle in a causal place.

[Yak-15]

I agree. If earlier it was said: “Cadres decide everything”, now: “Money is everything”. Such is the squiggle.

[yehat]

just such personnel decide "EVERYTHING"

[ism_ek]

Quote: YAK-15

As Vereshchagin said: "It's a shame for the state." Strange, a mighty space and aviation power, but we cannot start producing light aircraft. It's just not clear.

In the USSR
An-2 in Poland produced. L-39 in the Czech Republic bought. Antonov’s company remained in Kiev.

[tiredwithall]

A drone can not do?

[Mechanic]

No way. Judge for yourself: no women do not ride, no rest do not fly.

[iliya87]

I will not be surprised if in 2018-2019 we have what will appear on this topic but with Russian know-how))

[x.andvlad]

Che for crap, we can’t do our own ?!
Maybe money is a pity for the development of domestic counterparts?
His maybe more beautiful would have turned out. And most likely cheaper.

[nazar_0753]

Either we can not, or someone does not want to be able

[Same lech]

Cabin Diamond DA42 Twin Star
Read more at: http://avia.pro/blog/diamond-da42-twin-star-tehnicheskie-harakteristiki-foto
However, it is pleasing to the eye ... but where else can reconnaissance equipment be stuck ...
the operator will probably be added to the pilot to control this technique.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Cabin Diamond DA42 Twin Star
Read more at: http://avia.pro/blog/diamond-da42-twin-star-tehnicheskie-harakteristiki-foto
However, it is pleasing to the eye ... but where else can reconnaissance equipment be stuck ...
the operator will probably be added to the pilot to control this technique.

A laptop or tablet and there is no need for stationary screens to display information.

[Leto]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

but where else you can stick intelligence equipment ...

under the fuselage, where else ...

[1vlad19]

So there are two of them, the pilot and the pilot-operator.

[bbss]

Ugly what. Why can’t you make your own? Reconnaissance aircraft and light attack aircraft do not anyone need?

[Dwarfik]

Well, judging by the order, the goods are piecewise, and the requirements are presented to the product, so the requirements did not fit our analogues. In general, helicopter communication is more used to us somehow more, maybe there are no analogues. Maybe some other reasons.

[Skifotavr]

The Ukrainian state border service exploited such. One such crashed in the Transcarpathian region in 2012, the crew died. It features low thrust and mediocre flight characteristics.

[askort154]

Skifotavr .... One such crashed in the Transcarpathian region in 2012, the crew died. It features low thrust and mediocre flight.

May 7, 2014 south of Ulyanovsk, at the field training aerodrome of the Ulyanovsk ball-and-field training center,
there was a crash of the DA-40 training aircraft (previous DA-42 model). The pilot instructor and cadet died. When climbing after takeoff, he fell to the right wing.

[Zaurbek]

A beautiful and functional machine, in full mincemeat is also optionally an unmanned aerial vehicle. Would buy a full license. And the plane and base for the average UAV.

[Mechanic]

I bought a production license, I need to establish production. And so, what, salt of these licenses? And with production, we have an ambush, as the Evil Partisan said.

[uskrabut]

Let's hope that for business we bought, and not carry someone important

[corporal]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Cabin Diamond DA42 Twin Star

It your left In dryers, however, it will be simpler.
Information overload leads to growing errors(C) I do not remember where I read it.

[pellets]

Most likely, they take it for a "trial", and then, like the Chinese, they will disassemble the technique by screws, estimate the drawing in its own way, then bring it to our standards and go.

[Verdun]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

As I understand it, we have a full ambush with engines for light aircraft, since we are buying simple airplanes ... Or am I wrong?

We have not only with engines, but also with small aircraft - a complete ambush. How many do not talk about the need to revive small aircraft and create a network of airfields for intercity communication, there is no sense so far. In agricultural aviation, too, a solid out. A simple example. Previously, aviation was engaged in regular spraying of forests for the preventive destruction of insects. And now, apparently instead, the news talks about diseases that spread proliferating ticks and mosquitoes.

[Same lech]

And now, apparently instead, the news talks about diseases that spread proliferating ticks and mosquitoes.

Don't say in my house bugs crawled out from somewhere ... cockroaches died out they were replaced by more cunning insects

[Zaurbek]

What, interestingly, istria ended with a license for the production of aircraft diesel engines 500hp .. Austrian, it seems. On the Yak-152 and drones were supposed to be put.

[Mama_Cholli]

The plane is ugly of course ... inspired a song
"You are ugly and unpainted"

[Rusfaner]

Quote: wicked partisan

As I understand it, we have a full ambush with engines for light aircraft, since we are buying simple airplanes ... Or am I wrong?

The plane is very expensive. In particular, because of the engines. It has two two-liter diesel engines (Centurion), converted for aviation. The resource is scanty. Overhaul - by completely replacing the engine. "Diamond" is trying to establish another diesel engine, but so far unsuccessfully. The glider is plastic and the corresponding maintainability. The thrust-to-weight ratio is low - an example: among the Kaklov border guards, not so long ago, such an apparatus collapsed in the Carpathians. The result is four corpses.

[Pate]

And why not domestic, why are they worse than Austrian?

[Mechanic]

Nothing. But there is one catch: ours are too cheap for the money. To the customer, as a rule, this is disadvantageous.

[Verdun]

And why not domestic, why are they worse than Austrian?

Very often, the cause lies on the surface. To purchase imported products and spare parts for them, people negotiating supplies have to travel abroad, such an ambush, you know! Moreover, not at their own expense ... And the Austrian city of Friesach, where Diamond Aircraft is located, is not some Uryupinsk.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Pate

And why not domestic, why are they worse than Austrian?

And what are the domestic aircraft of this class with a similar composition of avionics?

[25ru]

In the industrial issue - there is no thought. Maybe pure aviators will build developments, but from development to low-volume production ...

[Zomanus]

Yes, they already wrote that we do not produce small screw engines.
And so it would be possible to establish a bunch of routes by mid-size and small aircraft with the same analogue of the "maize".
So for now, only foreign use ...

[Tatar 174]

The country has now installed a huge number of mobile communication towers. So, on each tower, if you install four wide-angle surveillance cameras, vast territories will be under constant surveillance ... This is so, by the way. And about the planes - that's right. It is necessary.

[Captain green]

Quote: zadorin1974

Russia has a huge need for super light aircraft; here and forest protection, monitoring of water bodies, gas and oil pipelines, sanitation and many other places. Operating aircraft is several times cheaper than helicopters. If you take Canada as a sample, then in rural areas the number of small aircraft can catch up with the number of cars in the near future.

Aviation, even if ultralight, implies the presence of a developed network of airfields. And they are all completely fucked with us. IMHO ...

[Captain green]

Quote: Tartar 174

The country has now installed a huge number of mobile communication towers. So, on each tower, if you install four wide-angle surveillance cameras, vast territories will be under constant surveillance ... This is so, by the way. And about the planes - that's right. It is necessary.

Why only 4 cameras? Let's get 8! How will you transmit the signal? Where? How many operators will be needed?
IMHO, Manilovism is pure water ...

[Tatar 174]

Quote: Captain Green

Why only 4 cameras? Let's get 8!

This is enough if the cameras are wide-angle. And how to transmit a signal? So they are on communication towers will, it’s through this connection and transmit. You did not understand the point, and this is not Manilovism ... The season of fires in the forests has begun, and such a surveillance system can very much help in quickly identifying the source of fire. And you can follow you with other methods, if you had this in mind. As for the operators, Captain Zeleny (probably the frontier, but then it would be Zeleny))), do not worry too, there are many options for monitoring and analysis. I understand that the topic is not about forest fires, but for some reason no one writes about them, thinks, or offers anything until this fire happens ...

[BEECH 1972]

The whole "sol" here is not in the fact that the Austrian company Diamond Aircraft Industries is a foreign manufacturer, but in the fact that it has long been working together on the implementation of aviation projects with the state corporation Rostec. For example, now they are jointly implementing another project for the production of light vehicles from composite materials for 9-19 seats.