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"Shvonder - he is the main fool!"
Professor F.F. Preobrazhensky

(M. Bulgakov, "Heart of a Dog")


11 May on the forum in the section "Opinion" was published an article by an unknown author "A little about the patriotic education in Russia." This is the first article on the unsigned forum that I saw.

A careful reading suggests that either the author is not sufficiently educated and can not understand the purpose and objectives of the state program, or he deliberately discredits the efforts of the current government in the patriotic education of citizens in the hope that the forum users will not read the program itself and limit themselves to the article in question.

As a person dealing with the issues under consideration, I want to ask the members of the forum for a few minutes of attention and enter into polemics with an unknown author of the article. And in order to have whom to call, let's conditionally assign him the name “Shvonder”.

I'll start with a few explanations.

1. There is a method of preparing state and federal targeted programs, in which both the presentation style and sections of the document are defined. In other words, the state program of patriotic education, and the state program for the destruction of chemical weapons, and any other written in the same style and have the same sections. Therefore, the liberal moans of citizen Shvonder about the style we leave without comment.

2. It is simply impossible to determine the beginning or the birth of the process of patriotic education of citizens. It is safe to say that Rurik was also working on these issues. Otherwise, he would not have remained on the throne, because, as the Chinese philosopher Sun Tzu said, the state collapses from the inside, external forces only complete its destruction. The process of patriotic education was carried out to some extent throughout the existence of the state. Including in dashing 90-s. And, of course, this process needs coordination, scientific and methodological support.

3. Patriotic education (and military-patriotic as an integral part of it) is a set of activities and actions that bring up a citizen's love for his homeland and people, pride in them, readiness for the sake of their sacrifice. That is, a lesson in literature, and picking up trash after a picnic, and planting a bush in your own yard, and visiting a museum, and the Immortal Regiment - all this ultimately serves the cause of patriotic education. In other words, it is impossible to build citizens and order: “Get equal! Attention! Getting to patriotic education. "

Now let me go to the text of the article.

We agreed that the presentation style of the state program is not discussed. The concept of "citizen" Shvonder explained in the comments.

“I have nothing against the Ministry of Defense. But it clearly does not fit the notion of an educator. ”- writes citizen Shvonder. “Why?” - let me ask you a question. Both in military institutes and academies military psychology and military pedagogy are studied. Humanitarian training of servicemen, mass cultural and sports mass work in the army are meant for patriotic and military-patriotic education. The same task is entrusted to other security agencies, of which there are quite a few in our country. This explains the list of performers and co-performers of the state program, which is so annoying citizen Shvonder.

“I just can’t write about the Minobornauk. Some swear words come out into the light of God. I will say briefly - this institution of state power annoys me greatly. ” Honestly, I have complaints about this ministry. But, unlike citizen Shvonder, specific: the Unified State Exam, the absence of by-laws that should be issued in the development of the federal law "On Education in the Russian Federation."

“This is the“ spiritual ”beginning. How our state authorities "systematically and purposefully" educate and shape citizens' high patriotic consciousness, as they show and show loyalty to their Fatherland through personal example, and how they fulfill their civic duty and their constitutional duties with the highest readiness - this is for all of us is known. According to the regular arrests of another official regularly voiced by our media. ” Well, everything is in a bunch, so that it is more smart. And government agencies, and officials. Citizen Shvonder, you personally have complaints about "A sense of loyalty to their homeland" и “To the fulfillment of civic duty and their constitutional duties” Putin, Ivanov (both), Shoigu, Medinsky (I listed only the first persons)? What kind of liberal op is "all gone"? They put a particular thief-official, and good. Need to rejoice. But to generalize, why?

“Honestly, the 2000 figure of the military-sports camps strained me a little ...” I open the site of the first available defense-sports center of the Preobrazhensky Airborne Special Forces Foundation and read. It turns out that the cost of such education - 1500 rubles per day. How many days will it be for 25? 37 500 rubles. Tell me - is it lifting money for the overwhelming number of people in our country? ”

As Khryun Morzhov used to say on NTV in the 90s: “Powerfully pushed. Inspires. " And now, my dear Schwonder, I will pass on to the examples. In the Volga Federal District, under the auspices of the Presidential Plenipotentiary with the participation of the Russian Ministry of Defense and DOSAAF of Russia, two military-sports recreation camps “Guardsman” are organized annually. Two camps with two shifts of 180 adolescents per shift (including 40 children from the LPR and DPR). Total 720 students in the summer. In addition to obtaining basic military knowledge on the basis of military higher educational institutions, students compete in popular sports in their midst and get acquainted with cultural andhistorical heritage of the regions. Five meals a day - hospital ration of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. The main contingent of participants is adolescents who find themselves in a difficult life situation. I will not specify how much the project costs, I just note that neither parents nor the state pay a dime. The funds are provided by a socially oriented business, or, as I jokingly call them, “red bourgeois”.

So, maybe, you, dear, have penetrated superficially into the problem, and do you make a categorical conclusion?

“But further interesting. About 78 subjects and established centers of military-patriotic education and training of citizens (youth) for military service. Turn on the search engine and find the first available mention of these centers. There are such. For example, the Perm regional center of military-patriotic education. ” And further in the text - a description of how awful everything is.

Unlike you, citizen Shvonder, I am familiar with this center not on the page on the site, but in person. This is the last regional center created in the Volga Federal District. Indeed, during its creation some mistakes were made. However, the center successfully performs its tasks. Until the spring of this year, he was headed by Alexander Vladimirovich Plyusnin, an experienced teacher, an enthusiast, a man with an active lifestyle.

Indeed, on first consideration, Anglicisms do not look very appropriate. But, I will reveal to you a terrible secret: applying on the site, of course, the allowable number of expressions adopted in the youth environment, we dramatically increase the number of site visitors. But he, first of all, was created for them. The corresponding study was conducted by the Central Council of DOSAAF of Russia in 2010 year.

“It seemed to me or is it absolutely not consistent with the patriotic education of citizens”? Of course, it seemed, just you are sharpened on the negative and juggling the facts. In addition, I can not understand what you do not like scouts? The scout movement was founded in Russia in 1909, and was aimed at the spiritual, mental and physical development of adolescents. He was replaced by the pioneer movement. In my opinion, the difference is only in ideology. We are probably the same age as you, and we like the pioneers. And modern students - scouts. What's wrong with that? The main thing is where their elders will lead them.

"Under the guise of the patriotic education that is so necessary for all of us, at state expense, under state patronage, with state escort, calm and fruitful work is underway to disintegrate the consciousness of the younger and younger generation." Where is the firewood from? From the Internet, of course. Based on the analysis of a single page on the site. Once - and the world conspiracy is open. Ovation. A curtain.

“I know firsthand how patriotic education was set up in general education schools. And you, my readers, know this the same way. ”

“And now a living example from own life. My wife is an English teacher at the Center for Early Childhood Education. She teaches kids from 4 to 7 for years in the basics of the language. And so she received such a directive - to prepare a program of patriotic education. She is in shock! After all, its training program is based on textbooks, methodological literature, agreed plans, etc., approved by the same Ministry of Education and Science. And how to carry out such scrupulous instructions? What example should she lean on? ”

I specifically put two quotes next. The author is aware of the unsatisfactory state of patriotic education in educational institutions (apparently from the words of his wife). And below he tragically describes the shock of the spouse who was invited to participate in this process. And it lies, brat, considering us fools. The Ministry of Education and Science forms the state educational standard, which absorbs not all watches. Part of the training time, in simple words, under the authority of the educational institution and the body performing the functions in the field of education of the subject of the federation. What are the problems in the stories about our homeland in English with Oxford breathing (or Harvard accent, or where did the author's spouse studied there)?

In addition, the Ministry of Education and Science in correspondence with teachers is not a member. I suppose the municipal department of education has sent instructions to the head of this Center for Pre-School Education on the preparation of proposals for a draft plan for patriotic education. The director gave an assignment that plunged into shock the teacher of the Russian school and at the same time the wife of a Russian citizen and patriot.

You remember, in 30-ies in the USSR there was such a term - “enemy of the people”. Now we, of course, do not use it. But, in my opinion, there is a term similar in meaning, “liberal”. This is my perception, I do not impose it on anyone. And there was the term "family member of a traitor to the motherland." Abbreviated - CHSIR. And while reading this article, I often found myself wanting to label these people on some citizens who were prone to deception and distorting facts.
But let's go further.

And then citizen Shvonder, who is tired of denouncing Russia, did not cope with the emotions that swept over him.

“I will give one more passage. Although the whole program is one continuous embarrassment. “The activities of the Program are grouped into the following sections: research and methodological support of the patriotic education of citizens; improving the forms and methods of work on the patriotic education of citizens; military-patriotic education of children and youth, development of the practice of patronizing military units over educational organizations; development of the volunteer movement as an important element of the patriotic education of young people; informational support of patriotic education of citizens ". Well, who is that nameless hero, from the pen of which all THAT jumped out! I want to look into his eyes. Although they have him, probably, like a reptile. "

I reread this paragraph several times. I tried to understand what it is: blinding consciousness of anger or the absence of any education and life experience?

Citizen Shvonder, you won’t believe, but research and methodological support in our country has all kinds of activities: the education process, military, space industry, agriculture, sports, and everything neither thought. So why should the process of patriotic education be carried out blindly and without coordination?

I will not write about veterans - I treat them with trepidation. Yes, the state has not fully fulfilled its obligations towards them. But the fact that veterans are the most active participants in the process of patriotic and military-patriotic education cannot be seen only by the blind, or ... (see the terms above).

“Patronage of military units over educational institutions. Actually, it should be the other way around. ”

Actually, patronage is the voluntary help of an older junior. But, on the contrary, it’s the other way around. Pioneers (scouts) came after lessons in tank the regiment, who gave a lecture to officers on the current international situation, who helped to maintain the equipment, who, in the duty of the regiment's duty officer, replaced, and who helped the chief of staff with planning. Nice thing. This is of course sarcasm. But, let me give you another example.

On the initiative of the presidential plenipotentiary in the Volga Federal District, cadet corps of the Volga Federal District were established on the basis of five schools (below the average level). The defense minister assigned them military patrol units (Ryazan school, naval academy, civil defense academy, Samara, Ulyanovsk brigades, etc.). There is a career guidance plan. And several times a year, cadets visit these organizations, can see the army from the inside and get acquainted with the educational process. And note that all these trips are sponsored by the “red burzhinami”.

A lot of words do not like citizen Shvonder. Including the completely neutral word "volunteer". Yes, volunteers appeared as military volunteers. By the way, in the 18 century, military engineers were called pioneers, and in 19, pioneers in the North American continent with ambiguous morality, and Pavlik Morozov appeared in 20. So what?

I note that the volunteer movement has been widely developed in Russia. International forums, major sporting events, and major patriotic events cannot do without volunteers. Wonderful young guys (as a rule, students) donate (that is, in vain) to help people. What's bad about it?

“And the last thing is informational support of patriotic education of citizens. Even hesitate to ask, what kind of animal is this? ”

And you do not hesitate. The page on the site where you studied the Perm Center for Military-Patriotic Education and the training of citizens (youth) for military service is an element of information support. The broadcast of the action "Immortal regiment" - too. Continue?

"And, going to the page of the 13 Program, we will see what all this is done for."

Below is the section “Financial support for the Program” that is mandatory for any state and federal program. And further: "Those. our state and our government do not stint on the fact that our citizens would be brought up by patriots. The cost of this program is almost 1,7 billion rubles. ”

Good or bad, our author does not speak. Try to figure it out for yourself. During the period of economic crisis and with a reduction in the expenditure part of the budget, the state finds more than a half billion rubles. Pay attention: this is only for the implementation of the program. In my opinion, this is great.

Last retreat.

In recent years, issues of patriotic education of citizens are constantly in the sphere of attention of the highest officials of the state. For example, the order to create regional centers for military-patriotic education and training of citizens (youth) for military service was given by the president following the meeting of the State Council in 2009. In 2014 — 2015, the issues of patriotic education were considered three times at meetings of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, the results of which gave relevant instructions.

Let me assume that this work played a certain role in the formation of Senior Lieutenant Alexander Prokhorenko as an officer who accomplished a great feat under Palmyra.

Citizen Shvonder does not like the expected results of the Program. As a “conscientious researcher,” he cites them completely. And ends their listing, asking with anguish: “If someone had the patience to finish it all up to the end and grasp the essence, then the question is what? Through the word, the question arises, after two bewilderment, each sentence creates a clear feeling that the one who wrote it does not understand at all how this will happen, about feedbacks, about adjacent interactions and about many other things. And he doesn’t care at all about the end result. ”

Of course, I did not participate in the preparation of the program in question, but I am ready to explain to Shvonder, "How will it all happen". In the federal government bodies and other organizations included in the list of executors and co-performers of the program, private plans for the implementation of the program will be developed and approved. The activities of the program will be implemented partly on their own and by means, and partly by performers who have won tenders (competitions) in accordance with federal law. The executors will report annually to the government about the spending of federal funds allocated for the implementation of the program and the achievement of target indicators (by the way, Shvonder doesn’t have a word about targets but doesn’t know what it is).

In conclusion, Shvonder kicked and state power ("The bestial attitude of the authorities to the veterans")and society as a whole ("No one considers the education of patriotism as a priority business"), yes, strictly speaking, and the veterans themselves. In his opinion, Russia is a country of villains, with which I strongly disagree. And I am sure that readers will support me.

Citizen Shvonder concludes his opus with a question: “But who and how should deal with these tasks (education of patriotism), the question remains open. But we asked him "? Well, once asked, you must answer. Although it is not clear who this "we".

Issues of patriotic (military-patriotic) education, citizen Schwonder, should be dealt with by both state institutions and society. And more specifically, on the part of the state, federal government bodies can be distinguished (historically, the aria and the fleet), state authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, local governments, educational institutions, cultural institutions, etc. By society, I understand, first of all, family, public organizations (primarily DOSAAF of Russia and veteran organizations), public clubs of a patriotic orientation, sports organizations, youth associations, etc.

Criticism should be constructive. Do not like it - tell me how to do better, and even better - do it.

We, the participants "IN" - tens of thousands. As I understand it, all forum users are patriotic people, regardless of their attitude to the current government. If we all 1 September come to school on the day of knowledge and tell the students about our homeland, it will be a huge contribution to the patriotic education. If each of us will assist in the conduct of the military-sports game "Zarnitsa", this will also be a huge contribution. If each of us, seeing the manifestation of disrespect for our symbols, will calmly convince the youth of the unworthiness of such behavior, and this will be a huge contribution.

It is often said that there is no national idea in Russia. But maybe everything is not so bad? Maybe patriotism is formed as a national idea, or at least as its foundation?
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  1. Knowing
    Knowing 14 May 2016 05: 36
    +12
    "Criticism must be constructive." ... drinks Do YOUR business.
    1. Comrade Schucher
      Comrade Schucher 14 May 2016 06: 51
      +4

      Naturally, other people have their own opinions on this subject, but I personally still prefer the Volunteer.
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    4. dr. sem
      dr. sem 14 May 2016 14: 24
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      nowhere more constructive
  2. The Little Humpbacked Horse
    The Little Humpbacked Horse 14 May 2016 06: 29
    +3
    If we all come to schools on September 1 on the day of knowledge and tell schoolchildren about our homeland, this will be a huge contribution to patriotic education.

    Well, yes, and then the kids at home read on the Internet, about Peskov’s watches for 600 us and his wife, who has US citizenship, about the children of Mizulina, Yakunin and other people living in Europe, and about the officials who are resting and being treated abroad, they will think about what this uncle is we are pouring into our ears not otherwise he is an agitator-propagandist on a salary
    1. Putinets
      Putinets 14 May 2016 06: 50
      +4
      Well, yes, and then the kids at home read on the Internet, about Peskov’s watches for 600 us and his wife, who has US citizenship, about the children of Mizulina, Yakunin and other people living in Europe, and about the officials who are resting and being treated abroad, they will think about what this uncle is we are pouring into our ears not otherwise he is an agitator-propagandist on a salary

      Children in nete read quite another. and to read correctly, there is parental control. And just to explain what is good or bad you have to go to school. For example, here we are, for how many hours does Peskov have, or where do the children of the strong or not very strong learn this world. But I would be very surprised to see the same Peskov in a suit ala Klimkin or Mizulin in a bum's clothes. What a way to look in someone’s pocket or plate. Dear Little Horse, make your piece on patriotic education in your yard and you will see that after 5 years there will be neither Yakunin nor Mizulina nor any other liberal kind.
      1. Besterfeind
        Besterfeind 14 May 2016 07: 47
        +4
        Peskov watches cost 47000000 rubles.
        For some reason, our state not only often looks into our feed but also launches its insatiable hand there.
        So ...
        What can the state teach, or what can the state instill in children, if its elites, speaking of patriotism, allow themselves such things.
        Some kind of generator of hypocrisy and bullying in one bottle.
        Given the existing social abyss of a financial and legal plan, any efforts to patriotize and morally improve society look ridiculous at best, turning from a drug into a poison.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 14 May 2016 09: 04
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          Quote: BesterFeind
          For some reason, our state not only often looks into our feed but also launches its insatiable hand there.

          The government that the people choose and not the state launches a hand, choose another, honest government, make your own choice and then complain about it.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 14 May 2016 13: 05
            +2
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            The government that the people choose and not the state

            The government does not choose the people, but the president appoints: the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation is appointed by the President of Russia with the consent of the State Duma. If the State Duma rejects the nominations three times, the President appoints the Prime Minister, dissolves the State Duma and calls for new elections.
            - Deputy Prime Minister and federal ministers are appointed and dismissed by the President of the Russian Federation at the proposal of the Prime Minister. "
            So, to change course, you need to re-elect the Duma and then the President.
        2. VP
          VP 14 May 2016 14: 10
          -2
          I didn’t understand what specific you were?
          So that Navka marries you and gives you the same watch?
          What "such" state has allowed itself on this example?
          I looked at the profile - ugh damn it, answered the troll)
        3. larand
          larand 14 May 2016 17: 33
          +1
          Quote: BesterFeind
          Some kind of generator of hypocrisy and bullying in one bottle.

          Yeah, if the state is building an ebncenter worth 7000000000 rubles. a criminal with alcohol syndrome and permits in this center activities aimed at a coup d'etat, as you doubt, among other things, and sanity.
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 14 May 2016 09: 00
        0
        Quote: Putin
        no other liberal kaki

        Liberalism (from the Latin. Liberalis - free) - the philosophical and socio-political current, proclaiming the inviolability of human rights and individual freedoms.

        Liberalism proclaims the rights and freedoms of each person as the supreme value and establishes them as the legal basis of social and economic order. Moreover, the ability of the state and the church to influence the life of society is limited by the constitution. The most important freedoms in modern liberalism are the freedom to speak out publicly, the freedom to choose a religion, the freedom to choose representatives in fair and free elections. In economic terms, the principles of liberalism are the inviolability of private property, freedom of trade and business. In legal terms, the principles of liberalism are the rule of law over the will of rulers and the equality of all citizens before the law, regardless of their wealth, position and influence

        What exactly do you disagree with in the description of the word liberalism?
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 14 May 2016 09: 26
          +12
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          What exactly do you disagree with in the description of the word liberalism?

          Colleague, did you accidentally describe paradise? Only in the 90s, just like you described here, did they all tell us the same thing, and now they continue to use the same tales? Do you even believe in it yourself? Do you see the reality definitions.
        2. ava09
          ava09 14 May 2016 09: 42
          +10
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          What exactly do you disagree with in the description of the word liberalism?

          The description of liberalism has nothing to do with what those who today have appropriated the name "liberal" to themselves ... Just like "democrat", however.
        3. Putinets
          Putinets 14 May 2016 09: 43
          +4
          What exactly do you disagree with in the description of the word liberalism?

          To the word, there are no complaints. And to the bearers of the ideology of the word, which is crap on my head and my country (how crap, so that it is clear, for example, by dragging the cockerel of ideology into my house and my neighbors) a bunch, a bunch and a drop from one place
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 14 May 2016 12: 17
            +1
            Quote: Putin
            And to the carriers of the ideology of the word

            A scoundrel can hide behind any mask.
    2. Stauffenberg
      Stauffenberg 14 May 2016 06: 58
      +13
      The kids play games on the Internet and they do not care about the watches of Peskov and the sons of Yakunin. Getting them out of the computer is worse than fighting corruption.
      1. Besterfeind
        Besterfeind 14 May 2016 07: 50
        +2
        Children are the future of the country and their parents are the present.
        On a rotten or improperly cast foundation, the house will not stand idle.
        But just on their parents, representatives of those parallel worlds wanted to spit.
      2. Riv
        Riv 14 May 2016 07: 53
        +3
        I don’t know ... Mine play of course, but as I said the other day that there will be a ticket to the summer camp - a sea of ​​joy. Voucher for August, but BACKPACK ALREADY ASSEMBLED. :)
    3. Lukich
      Lukich 14 May 2016 07: 04
      +4
      Quote: Humpbacked Horse
      Well, yes, and then kids at home read on the Internet,

      maybe it is necessary to make the kids believe not the "yellow" Internet, but their parents? and did not climb on such sites that adults disdain to go
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 14 May 2016 14: 28
        +4
        Quote: Lukich
        Quote: Humpbacked Horse
        Well, yes, and then kids at home read on the Internet,

        maybe it is necessary to make the kids believe not the "yellow" Internet, but their parents? and did not climb on such sites that adults disdain to go

        Well, let’s leave the kids alone. And the adults don’t care where the watch comes from that they don’t fit into the official’s salary? If Peskov was a plumber and I could put it on this business, but his wife and daughter post photos and video about rampant luxury. I’ll repeat. They brag about it. Or maybe Chubais’s New Year’s show off is also a fake? Or Vasilyeva’s apartment? And what is it that so bashfully the press behind her?
        The guys have one law for everyone. No one can steal. Neither the ruble nor the billion. That is exactly what the young generation needs to grind from childhood. I understand that it is not a pleasant topic, theft and corruption of power. And how would you do without it?
        Stalin didn’t steal. And for theft he could hang anyone for Faberge. Anyone!
        If Putin is against theft and corruption, but for some reason cannot defeat it, let him ask the population for help. Let him turn to the people. The people will respond and help with all their heart. Why is he silent?
        1. dauria
          dauria 14 May 2016 14: 43
          +1
          If Putin is against theft and corruption .... Why is he silent?


          The first assumption is Putin is dumb. Second, he is not against THIS corruption and THIS theft. Third, there is no Putin, there is a director's idea with a good acting performance ... Choose for yourself. smile
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 14 May 2016 15: 06
            0
            Quote: dauria
            If Putin is against theft and corruption .... Why is he silent?

            The first assumption is Putin is dumb. Second, he is not against THIS corruption and THIS theft. Third, there is no Putin, there is a director's idea with a good acting performance ... Choose for yourself. smile

            - and the fourth. All three assumptions are incorrect. And you can fight corruption. Try to minimize. But to win completely, to exterminate - it is impossible
            - example - China, and the so-called "naked officials" there
            - They are "naked" because in China, in fact, only the body of this official is located. Minimally dressed, of course
            - everything else (family, property) is usually located in Australia, Canada, etc.
            - Now in China there is a serious struggle with this phenomenon. With landings, shootings - everything, as the doctor ordered
            - this fight so far .. let's say, not very successful.

            At the same time, China is a much more "top-down" system than the Russian Federation. It so happened historically.

            Therefore, it is even more difficult to fight corruption in the Russian Federation than in China. And "with the help of the people" in this noble cause can only cause another mess (or Maidan, as you like). This help will not lead to the desired result. A priori request

            Somehow yes
            1. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 14 May 2016 16: 39
              +2
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              - Now in China there is a serious struggle with this phenomenon. With landings, shootings - everything, as the doctor ordered
              - this fight so far .. let's say, not very successful.

              Dear, but is not a seated or executed corrupt traitor a successful struggle?
              With us they just retire. Enjoy the loot.
              If, according to your people, only confusion (maidan) will be brought into this matter, then for example the new National Guard should work. It is subordinated personally to the president.
              And what is the actual problem? Even you and I take an appraiser, a couple of machine gunners, handcuffs and go to any official. An independent appraiser estimates all property in two hours, including "gifts" ... We multiply the salary of an official by the months worked, compare, we put on handcuffs, to hard labor, for life, with confiscation of property ... and no snot.
              No official convicted of corruption should ever have the right to hold public office, only physical labor.
              And believe that sooner or later it will be so. And the results of privatization will be reviewed. And the activities of banks with oligarchs will be considered.
              And they smell it inside out. Not without reason, all the good is being dragged over the hill. Only here the planet is not as big as it seems ...
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 14 May 2016 17: 02
                -1
                Quote: Barkhan
                Dear, but is not a seated or executed corrupt traitor a successful struggle?

                - reminded:

                Quote: Eduard Bernstein (1850-1932), leader of the Second International and the right wing of German Social Democracy, which is often referred to in Leninist articles as “revisionist”, “opportunist” and “reformist”
                Movement is everything, purpose is nothing

                - No, dear .. a seated and even shot corrupt official is not the result. Because, in its place, a couple of the same ones come right there, still not sitting and actively stealing, yeah .. So the hole in the state pocket does not disappear, but only widens ..

                Quote: Barkhan
                If, according to your people, only confusion (maidan) will be brought into this matter, then for example, let the new national guard work. Subordinated personally to the President

                - IMHO this is just one of the main goals of creating the Rosguard
                - She (Rosguard) has not yet been created. Let's see, see ..

                Quote: Barkhan
                An independent appraiser evaluates all property in two hours, including "gifts"

                - nonsense. I explain:
                - the same one, for example, Vasilyeva’s dad, is a cool businessman in St. Petersburg (don’t buy-sell, production, supplier of the Ministry of Defense, by the way)
                - could he buy her an apartment in Moscow? And gold? Yes, easy, you will not believe .. but did he buy it? But this is already a question .. and not to the "appraiser", and not for "two hours"
                - this is another simple example, "two-way". It can be much more difficult yes

                I don’t comment on anything else - it has nothing to do with the fight against corruption, please request
                1. BARKHAN
                  BARKHAN 14 May 2016 18: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  I don’t comment on anything else - it has nothing to do with the fight against corruption

                  What do you propose? Leave everything as it is? And complex multi-paths are precisely cut with one blow. Is the dad a supplier? And dad there too. At least use his official position for the purpose of enrichment. Well, just check how Dad Vasilyeva turned out to be a supplier ...
                  You understand that if you do not clean from the top, they will clean from the bottom. And 1917 will seem like a light melodrama.
    4. BARKAS
      BARKAS 14 May 2016 08: 02
      +2
      Quote: Humpbacked Horse
      Well, yes, and then kids at home read on the Internet about Peskov’s watches for 600 us

      And this uncle Peskov will be a role model for them, an example of how to live, that’s the problem parents bring up their children ... there’s not even that parents and children bring up the Internet!
    5. vlad66
      vlad66 14 May 2016 08: 44
      +7
      Quote: Humpbacked Horse
      Well, yes, and then the kids at home read on the Internet, about Peskov’s watches for 600 us and his wife, who has US citizenship, about the children of Mizulina, Yakunin and other people living in Europe, and about the officials who are resting and being treated abroad, they will think about what this uncle is we are pouring into our ears not otherwise he is an agitator-propagandist on a salary

      Well, who’s talking about anything, but lousy about a bath, an article about patriotic education once means an author, an agitator, a propagandist, and a hunchbacked horse, so you don’t agree if you see the author with your correct opinion, so you forgot about it, pensioners write about education, about medicine and bad roads, or the State Department’s methodological obsolete obsolete forgot to send a new one, well, well.
      Quote: BesterFeind
      he can be taught, or what the state can instill in his children, if the elites, speaking of patriotism, allow themselves such things.

      A fox, aka Zheka, aka Yuri, a Yogr, a Yogr45
    6. Kite
      Kite 14 May 2016 09: 46
      +2
      Quote: Humpbacked Horse
      for 600 000 us

      - this is how loud stuffing appears. Just because of the trapping fellow
      1. Kite
        Kite 14 May 2016 13: 43
        +2
        It's no secret that weirdos are everywhere, therefore, I'm not surprised that at least one was found here, who appreciated my reply "-". It's foolish to argue with such, but there is a simple advice: if something surprises you, then look for additional information and shake your head (if there is nothing to move in it). If there is something to move, then estimate the likelihood that I, for example, want to challenge your assessment of my watch "made of black gold" at 1 million amd, whether I will prove that the watch is from mass production (i.e. the place in the ranking of the most expensive watches - in principle, there can be no talk).
        I very much understand the author why he could not resist comparing the opponent with Schwonder.
  3. Ivan Slavyanin
    Ivan Slavyanin 14 May 2016 06: 33
    +5
    I read that article and put a "minus" in the assessment! In my opinion, that article was written by "Igor Kabardin", who posted the article "The Kuriles and Money" about Putin's negotiations with Abe! Maybe someone remembers? There he had an interesting opinion: ".... Russia has a strategically uncomfortable position ..." And this is an analyst? Access to three oceans out of four is an inconvenient strategic position ?????
    So in the same article, a lot was also turned upside down!
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 14 May 2016 06: 47
      +4
      ".... Russia has a strategically awkward position ..."

      Well, for NATO, it's very uncomfortable. Maybe the article about the "bad" program of patriotic education is also from there?
  4. Lukich
    Lukich 14 May 2016 07: 10
    +6
    Criticism should be constructive. Do not like it - tell me how to do better, and even better - do it.

    what for? bile pour in the internet and groan everything, much easier
  5. sa-ag
    sa-ag 14 May 2016 07: 15
    +5
    "... They put a specific thief-official, and that's good."

    Who was put in prison? "I do not give up mine" (C) this expression, in my opinion, has the force of a bylaw

    "... Perhaps patriotism is being formed as a national idea, or at least as its foundation?"
    Patriotism cannot be a national idea, it turns out love for the sake of love, what nonsense, a national idea can be a goal supported by the majority of the population for the development of society, in which (development) society is improved, the management of society becomes systemic rather than tame, affordable healthcare is provided, so that society is healthy. education so that society can, along the path of perfection of itself and the country as a whole, form the economic and production potential along the path of development, this gives employment to society, its material stability, confidence in the future and this gives rise to pride and love for such a Motherland. And where there is no goal, each is left to his own devices and for himself, each member of the society (or almost everyone) sees in another other member of the society a competitor and sometimes an enemy, people delegated to government structures engage in a business of their own, they turn to society only when they need to , no patriotism can be born here, single shares will remain single shares
  6. vlade99
    vlade99 14 May 2016 07: 32
    +5
    The author - a gentleman without a name, it seems, can only google and, on the street - not a step. List the number of circles for children and youth who were in Soviet times (free) and now I will not. Also completely FREE pioneer camps (and not two !!!). Who is older remembers. Yes, and other statements cause only a smirk. It is enough to look at the actions of the first persons of the state (iPhone, Livanov, Medinsky and others), at how they constantly poke - we should have it in a geyrop. And patriotism is simply torn from all cracks. There will be no patriotism in the country until the children of high-ranking officials study in London, until the attitude of the authorities towards the people is inattentive.
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 14 May 2016 07: 47
      0
      Quote: vlade99
      . There will be no patriotism in the country until the children of high-ranking officials study in London, until the attitude of the authorities towards the people is inattentive.

      but it seems to me that it is necessary to start educating patriotism in the family as soon as the child is born. and don’t have to wait for the uncle from power to start doing this. or when the power changes. She is the motherland alone, and rulers are changing. and you need to love her, and not those whom you can change
      1. LÄRZ
        LÄRZ 14 May 2016 08: 10
        +3
        Quote: Lukich
        but it seems to me that it is necessary to start educating patriotism in the family as soon as the child is born.

        The best parenting is the example of parents. Daily, hourly and minutely. "Talking house" will remain so ("It flew into one ear, flew into the other"), but a constant example of one's behavior is sealed in the child's memory until the end of life.
        1. Yak28
          Yak28 14 May 2016 09: 04
          +5
          But the parents are different and everyone has different views on patriotism, one will say work from morning to evening for the good of the Motherland, defend the Motherland if you need it without sparing yourself. And the other will say work at a minimum, not be proud of a rich uncle, thanks to politicians they plundered the country the situation before the war, the parents will not fight the son for them. And the third will tell the child, what did the Motherland give you? Useless medical care, paid education, a beggarly salary, it might be better to go over to the enemy’s side if there is an opportunity. Fourth will tell Gorbachev 25 years ago sold. Here you have different parents and they will have different patriots.
          1. LÄRZ
            LÄRZ 14 May 2016 09: 27
            +1
            Quote: Yak28
            . Here you have different parents and they will have different patriots

            I completely agree with you. That’s why we are all different and different from each other. I read somewhere that about 80% of their knowledge (including norms of behavior, the basics of worldview) a person receives in the first 5 years of his life. And here the role of the family is very large. well and
            .And the other will say work at a minimum And the third will tell the child, and what did the Motherland give you?
            this indicates a great responsibility of parents for raising their child. You need to know when and what to say, to tell.
    2. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 14 May 2016 15: 18
      -4
      Quote: vlade99
      There will be no patriotism in the country until the children of high-ranking officials study in London, until the attitude of the authorities towards the people is inattentive.

      this is exactly where he comes from, this patriotism, from dampness?
      Quote: Lukich
      but it seems to me that it is necessary to start educating patriotism in the family as soon as the child is born. and don’t have to wait for the uncle from power to start doing this. or when the power changes.

      Namely, if we all will raise children from the cradle by patriots, then how do you think how long this power will last when they grow up?
      Threat. I’ll say about myself, I love my Motherland, but I hate the current government, since it is my class enemy and I haven’t been feeling any illusions since 1991 regarding the government. Of course, I will not only sing hosannas to the darkest and others like him, but I will also try to inspire class hatred in my children.
      Therefore, it makes no sense to agitate me for pupatriotism (I have already passed my "universities" in the provinces of one Asian country).
      But I remember this from childhood
  7. Besterfeind
    Besterfeind 14 May 2016 07: 59
    +1
    Constantly breeds the quality of the material, which is presented as a positive representation of the surrounding and not very reality, designed to distort or to give it a joyfully reassuring tint.
    That is propoganda.
    So clumsyly worked out, clearly intended for (as it seems to the writer) the near average average man in the street, is simply discouraging.
    If the IT writers do not bother to approach the task at least a little smarter ..
    1. Russia
      Russia 14 May 2016 08: 46
      +4
      "Correcting bugs"
      No offense ... request
      I (in a Soviet school) had an 3 in Russian ...
    2. viktorR
      viktorR 14 May 2016 12: 02
      -1
      Oh, what a fellow you are, opened our eyes to all of us here. Such clumsy propaganda, you work a lot more subtle.

      But seriously, the Maidanopithecus who hid behind the flag of the USSR and muddled everything and all experts, got sick of it.
  8. Oprychnik
    Oprychnik 14 May 2016 08: 32
    +8
    Oh-ho-ho! I appreciate this article as a hello to Shvonder from Sharikov ... You can’t be so rude!
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 14 May 2016 09: 07
      +4
      Quote: Oprychnik
      Oh-ho-ho! I appreciate this article as a hello to Shvonder from Sharikov ... You can’t be so rude!

      It’s true that it’s noticed, besides Schwonder’s attributed to the liberal, we must still try.
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 14 May 2016 16: 49
      +2
      As a person dealing with the issues under consideration, I want to ask the members of the forum for a few minutes of attention and enter into polemics with an unknown author of the article. And in order to have whom to call, let's conditionally assign him the name “Shvonder”.
      Quote: Oprychnik
      Oh-ho-ho! I appreciate this article as a hello to Shvonder from Sharikov ... You can’t be so rude!

      Author armeec2Also, by the way, I did not particularly introduce myself ...
      And it seemed to me that this is a "battle" of competitors for money flows. It is possible that they know each other. And if they do not know, then calling a stranger a "Shvonder" is, in my opinion, an insult, which should be suppressed by the administration (unless of course the goal clash the foreheads of those who are not indifferent).
  9. Yak28
    Yak28 14 May 2016 08: 53
    +3
    There is no patriotic education at the moment, unlike the USSR, where it started from the October Revolution, pioneers, and so on, its foundation was ideological bias, love of the motherland, decency, and so on. Regarding patriotism, in the event of a serious war, I vaguely believe in the queue volunteers at the military registration and enlistment offices, the soldiers will be caught by police at the porches and forced to go into battle. Wealthy people are unlikely to go to the war artists, singers, businessmen, politicians and so on, and they won’t send their children to the front for sure, they can go abroad where many have their own real estate, or pay off. Under the kings, ordinary people did not want to fight for those who live well at their expense, and the armies consisted mainly of representatives of blue bloods. During the First World War they already became millionth and already consisted of a huge amount hard workers, peasants, in connection with this there are frequent cases of disobedience to officers and a huge percentage of desertion. Do not come to power Stalin who was able to unite the people, but stay in Russia the monarchy then wins s over the Nazis can not see.
  10. Web
    Web 14 May 2016 08: 53
    +1
    Quote: vlade99
    List the number of circles for children and youth who were in Soviet times (free) and now I will not.

    My children are engaged in free municipal circles. The daughter goes to a dance club, the son goes in for track and field athletics and goes to the "Young Programmer" club and attends English classes in the same club. Everything is free.
    Quote: vlade99
    It is enough to look at the actions of the first persons of the state (iPhone, Livanov, Medinsky and others), at how they constantly poke - we should have it in a geyrop. And patriotism is simply torn from all cracks. There will be no patriotism in the country until the children of high-ranking officials study in London, until the attitude of the authorities towards the people is inattentive.

    I personally educate my children in the spirit of patriotism, and I am sure that the place of study of the children of officials will not affect the love of the motherland.
    1. Stauffenberg
      Stauffenberg 14 May 2016 10: 08
      +2
      That's it. Whoever wants to will find the child a circle, a sports section, and a camp. And educates as it should.
    2. dauria
      dauria 14 May 2016 15: 30
      +2
      I am sure that the place of study of the children of officials will not affect the love of the motherland.


      Well yes. If "Motherland" - birches with streams. But it’s not so. This is a people inhabiting hills with birches and streams. And if under the USSR there really was collectivism (with exceptions, of course), now the wildest individualists behind steel doors and its parking (try to take laughing ) Learn to love the whole Motherland? And the children of officials too? Oh and the difficult thing is patriotism in a bourgeois state wink
      For the faith, the king and the shares of Lukoil? But there are too many of them, these "Lukoil" with the Alikperovs. And they will use your children, raised by patriots, as a workforce and an ordinary trench Vanya. Vanya will pull the war on his backbone, the glory of Russia. Then the bureaucrat's son will return from abroad, praise. And Vanya has nowhere to go, if he really is Russian. Here is such a gloomy patriotism for me.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 14 May 2016 15: 38
        +1
        Quote: dauria
        Oh and the difficult thing is patriotism in a bourgeois state
      2. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 14 May 2016 16: 32
        0
        If your ancestors are buried on one-sixth, and you do not go to the synagogue or do not walk next to it, then a special patriotic education is not required, because, as you are a local, a native, and you are unlikely to exchange the local "totalitarian" regime for quirks " democracy ". For example, I am more accustomed to sending than giving a fuck.
  11. ava09
    ava09 14 May 2016 09: 53
    +1
    You can talk about "patriotic education" as much as you like. Until we know clearly what we mean by "patriotism". It replaced the people's roots, Native foundations and the wisdom of the departed ancestors and can be as useful as harmful. One question: For what purpose was the concept of "Wisdom of the ancestors" (people) replaced by the foreign word "patriotic" education a long time ago? I think the answer is clear ...
  12. Army soldier2
    14 May 2016 12: 50
    -1
    Quote: vlade99
    The author - a gentleman without a name, it seems, can only google and, on the street - not a step. List the number of circles for children and youth who were in Soviet times (free) and now I will not. Also completely FREE pioneer camps (and not two !!!). Who is older remembers. Yes, and other statements cause only a smirk. It is enough to look at the actions of the first persons of the state (iPhone, Livanov, Medinsky and others), at how they constantly poke - we should have it in a geyrop. And patriotism is simply torn from all cracks. There will be no patriotism in the country until the children of high-ranking officials study in London, until the attitude of the authorities towards the people is inattentive.

    In fact, all members of the forum (like you) "live" under nicknames. If you like, my name is Andrey. I hope that at birth your parents did not give you the name Red Amanita.
    I don’t impose my opinion on anyone, I just don’t like lying and distorting facts, which I wrote about at the beginning of the article.
    You cannot list the number of free circles in the USSR now, as you simply do not own the information. About the free pioneer camps you're lying. They were never free, just the main cost was paid by the trade unions or the organization where the parents worked (and the parents voluntarily and forcibly paid union dues).
    Of course, as a member of the team, since the end of 2009 I have been doing concrete things in the field of patriotic (military-patriotic) education, not counting the education of soldiers (eight years in the company link). And I know the current state of affairs in this area from the inside. And I think I know the problems better than you.
    And what did you personally do?
    Oprychnik, saturn.mmm, I accept your criticism! Emotions overwhelmed! From now on I will try not to admit it. As Vereshchagin said in the movie "White Sun of the Desert": "It's a shame for the state!"
  13. CONTROL
    CONTROL 16 May 2016 13: 18
    -1
    Which, to the hell’s pig’s, can be patriotic - or military-patriotic (which, ultimately, the same thing) - the education of youth, when any of this same youth without any Internet and malicious Western propaganda can see how word The state and its top officials (servants of this state!) Diverge with businessthat they - these servants - are doing ?!
    ... do you need to give examples? Or are these examples imposed on everyone's teeth?