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Today in the Middle East, neither Arabs nor Jews are seeking American President Obama’s support. Meanwhile, the American military potential in the region significantly exceeds the corresponding military potential of Russia. However, the leaders of the Middle Eastern states fly to “isolated” Moscow, and not to Washington, previously considered the world “hegemon”. Why?




This question is answered by Dennis Ross (Dennis Ross), a former American diplomat, and now author, writing for "Politico".

The United States, the author recalls, today has a much greater military potential in the Middle East than Russia. The United States has 35.000 soldiers and hundreds of aircraft in the region; Russians, on the other hand, have only about 2.000 military personnel and, possibly, 50 aircraft.

But what do we see? Middle Eastern leaders now prefer to go to Moscow to talk with Vladimir Putin, and do not want to go to Washington.

Recently, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met with the Russian president, and this was "his second visit to Russia since last fall." Saudi King Salman is ready to fly to Moscow soon. Egyptian President and other Middle Eastern leaders are also going to talk to Putin.

Why is this happening? And why did Arabs and Israelis largely abandon the idea of ​​getting any support from President Barack Obama?

The analyst believes that respect matters more than just power. Russia in the region today is perceived as a state that wants to influence the balance of forces in the region. But the United States, alas, is not able to play such a role.

The author points out that Putin’s decision on military intervention in Syria ensured that President Bashar al-Assad remained in power and “sharply reduced isolation” of Russia. At the same time, “Putin’s worldview is completely at odds with Obama’s views.” Yes, Mr. Obama believes in the need to use force only in cases where there is a direct threat to national security. Pre-emptive actions against terrorists and the fight against the "Islamic State" are included in these principles. But Obama, who has learned the lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan, understands all this in a too narrow sense.

Putin behaves differently in the region, and his behavior has found a lively response in the Middle East. The use of force here, including to achieve political goals, is the norm rather than the exception. And it makes no difference who we are talking about. Saudis acted in Yemen, Iran after a nuclear deal demonstrated much more aggressive behavior in the region than before (regular Iranian forces were deployed in Syria, etc.).

Military intervention by Russia turned the tide in Syria. Contrary to Obama's opinion, the Russians took a stronger position, spending very little on that. No one “punished” the Russians for their “Syrian intervention”; moreover, Mr. Obama himself is now looking for help from Putin, persuading him to “put pressure on Assad.” In essence, this is a recognition of the effectiveness of the Russian strategy.

Middle Eastern leaders also recognize this. They understand that they should negotiate with the Russians if they want to protect their interests.

This does not mean at all, the analyst indicates that the US is weak, and Russia is strong. Objectively speaking, Russia is shrinking economically, and low oil prices only add to Moscow financial problems. This fact explains precisely (at least partially) Putin’s desire to play a prominent role on the world stage, including in the Middle East.

As for Obama's actions, his recent trip to Saudi Arabia did not change the perception of the United States: from now on, America is considered weak and unwilling to influence the distribution of forces in the region.

Dennis Ross, who worked in the countries of the Middle East, assumes that Arabs and Jews are waiting - watching what kind of people make up the next US administration. “They know that Russians are not a factor of stability; they hope that the United States will play this role, ”the author writes.

The analyst finds such hopes “strange” because Obama has expressed a clear reluctance to impose American will in the region. And many of the traditional partners of the United States have already learned: perhaps they will have to rely only on themselves. Yes, and how to hope for Washington, if there are some "red lines", and then forget about them?

Former American diplomat Dennis Ross suggests several points that the US administration should adhere to in implementing foreign policy in the Middle East. We give in the reduction of some of them.

1. The White House should tighten its policy on Iran.

2. Plan the situation in case of unforeseen circumstances, discussing options with the GCC states and Israel. The situation should include specific options for countering Iran, which is increasingly using "Shiite militants" to "undermine regimes in the region."

3. In Syria, the Russians will most likely continue to support Assad, with the result that the United States will have no choice but to continue to work “with partners.” Putin and eastern leaders understand the power of coercion, the author recalls.

* * *


What happens? The American expert is confident that the United States should do the same in the Middle East as Russia did: use force and turn the tide in its favor. The result, of course, is the opposite: if the Russians support Assad, then the United States should throw off Assad. And then the Middle Eastern leaders will once again turn their favor towards the overseas hegemon.

True, Mr. Obama is unlikely to use force. Rather, it will make the new commander in chief - for example, Hillary Clinton. And for good reason the Arabs thought about what kind of policy in the region will be carried out by Mr. Obama's changer. Hope for the return of the hegemon is still warm.

For the time being, the region is talking not with Washington, but with Moscow. The one that Mr. Obama "isolated."

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  1. Revolver
    Revolver 13 May 2016 06: 19
    +3
    Obama is the worst president of our time, if not all times. His closest rival in this Carter is far behind. Moreover, the farther, the more it seems that B. Hussein Obama is a hidden Islamist. All his steps, even formally aimed at containing aggressive Islam, in fact contribute to its strengthening and spread.
    Clintonsha is unlikely to greatly change US policy in the region, if only because she, together with Obama, designed and implemented this policy as Secretary of State.

    Hillary for Prison 2016 !!!
    1. Seren
      Seren 13 May 2016 07: 05
      +8
      I am the last person to be attributed to fans of the misunderstanding named Obama. Nevertheless, I will say that Obama is not an Islamist. He is just a liberal to an extreme degree, capable of only concessions. If the current Russian tsar was pushing, then Obama would have returned Alaska. In general, America was not lucky in this election either. Both candidates are worthless, but either one is better than Barack Husseinovich Obama.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 13 May 2016 07: 21
        +14
        "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down, you are not all musicians." Both Clintonich and Trump (most likely) will pursue the same policies as Monkey. For the simple reason that the president in the USA has not decided anything for a long time. At most, a tactical manager who implements the policy of oligarchic clans. This is very well evidenced by the fact that, having an extremely low rating, both Bushik Jr. and Obeyanych were re-elected for a second term. The oligarchs do not care about the opinion of the Americans; they need the presidents to dutifully carry out the policies they need.
        1. Volzhanin
          Volzhanin 13 May 2016 09: 23
          -2
          Gee! You might think that our situation is different. laughing
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 13 May 2016 15: 18
            +5
            Gee! You might think that our situation is different


            Well, after all, the GDP is much more free in choosing a political course and tactical means of its implementation. The only "red line" that he does not have the right (and most likely does not want) to cross is the liberal market model of the economy, which allows Russian oligarchs to preserve their wealth and power.
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 13 May 2016 17: 59
              +1
              but I think that the question is not the determination to use force. And even if the US starts bombing again, it’s not a fact that it will benefit them. Iran itself will not surrender - and will fight to the last

              In fact, the question is that many countries are beginning to realize that US and Western policies are aimed at chaos and destruction in the region (look what happened to the relatively prosperous Libya and Iraq - the same Syria has been living normally for decades and suddenly on you) - while Russia and China are trying to restore stability
      2. 97110
        97110 13 May 2016 08: 17
        +8
        Quote: seren
        but any of them is better than Barack Husseinovich Obama.

        Better for whom? Trump will cut back support for Israel - not enough for ourselves. Clinton will drag Israel into another war. They would pray for Maxim better. You better have the cap of the police chief in the White House. Or organ. Any sharp gestures of your owners in your house will lead to the battle of dishes - do you need it?
        1. Seren
          Seren 13 May 2016 08: 58
          +1
          Quote: 97110
          Quote: seren
          but any of them is better than Barack Husseinovich Obama.

          Better for whom? Trump will cut back support for Israel - not enough for ourselves. Clinton will drag Israel into another war. They would pray for Maxim better. You better have the cap of the police chief in the White House. Or organ. Any sharp gestures of your owners in your house will lead to the battle of dishes - do you need it?



          First, do not cut back, do not worry so. Trump has already pledged to increase aid.
          But the main criterion is completely different. How will the next president behave when Iran begins to violate the clauses of the nuclear agreement.
          1. 97110
            97110 13 May 2016 09: 54
            +2
            Quote: seren
            not cut back, do not worry so. Trump has already pledged to increase aid.

            Promised or pledged? What am I worried about? These are your affairs, your lives. How much benefit they will receive for the United States from the new president is an important issue for the US.
          2. tomatokin
            tomatokin 14 May 2016 03: 38
            0
            What about your criterion? Your nuclear weapons? With you, AT ALL !!! there are no agreements on nuclear weapons? So who is more dangerous? Iran, nuclear weapons without or Israel with nuclear weapons ???
    2. Aryan
      Aryan 13 May 2016 08: 33
      +4
      Does America have a larger army? Well, sho?
      But Russia has more "hegemon"! fellow
    3. FenH
      FenH 13 May 2016 09: 17
      +1
      Quote: Nagan
      Obama is the worst president of our time, if not all times. His closest rival in this Carter is far behind. Moreover, the farther, the more it seems that B. Hussein Obama is a hidden Islamist. All his steps, even formally aimed at containing aggressive Islam, in fact contribute to its strengthening and spread.
      Clintonsha is unlikely to greatly change US policy in the region, if only because she, together with Obama, designed and implemented this policy as Secretary of State.

      Hillary for Prison 2016 !!!


      Greetings dear! hi
      As I understood from everything smeared by this ex-diplomat, he calls the people to vote for the Clinton, someone you really want to start a big war led by the Generalissimo cuckold, then write off everything on it hi
    4. yushch
      yushch 13 May 2016 09: 44
      +3
      Quote: Nagan
      Obama is the worst president of our time, if not all times. His closest rival in this Carter is far behind. Moreover, the farther, the more it seems that B. Hussein Obama is a hidden Islamist. All his steps, even formally aimed at containing aggressive Islam, in fact contribute to its strengthening and spread.
      Clintonsha is unlikely to greatly change US policy in the region, if only because she, together with Obama, designed and implemented this policy as Secretary of State.

      Hillary for Prison 2016 !!!


      I heard the same words from America about George W. Bush Jr., at the end of his presidential term. You do not find that the habit of blaming the previous head of state for all the failures of the country is a manifestation of the highest degree of unprofessionalism and an indicator of a lack of decency?
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 13 May 2016 15: 38
        +2
        Quote: yushch
        I heard the same words from America about George Bush Jr.

        Not from me. And most likely from the liberals. They are noisy guys.
        1. yushch
          yushch 13 May 2016 15: 44
          0
          Quote: Nagan
          Quote: yushch
          I heard the same words from America about George Bush Jr.

          Not from me. And most likely from the liberals. They are noisy guys.

          Not from you, but from America for sure. hi
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 14 May 2016 00: 40
            0
            Quote: yushch
            Not from you, but from America for sure.

            Well, here liberals at least * eat alcohol, otherwise who would vote for Obama? But there are not only them.
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt 13 May 2016 10: 38
      +2
      And who came up with a measure to measure military potential? Is it measured in cubes, bucks or the number of shooters? And who measured the Russian spirit? That is the same! The guns themselves do not fight laughing
  2. Knowing
    Knowing 13 May 2016 06: 19
    +25
    So after all, the East subtly understood that the Americans can only fluff up the tail, but not deal with it ... The incomparable Faina Ranevskaya about such as semi-ruberoid and like him she said:
    1. 34 region
      34 region 13 May 2016 06: 39
      +11
      Knowing! 06.19. Maybe enough already tryndet about stupid Americans. They very skillfully omitted several countries and the entire region. Dropping them, they do not allow them to rise. So the elf policy is very skillful and very effective. Talking about a fiasco is silly. What defeat did the United States suffer? Just do not about the attempts of the elves to resolve conflicts.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 13 May 2016 07: 36
        +23
        They very skillfully omitted several countries and the entire region. Dropping them, they do not allow them to rise. So the elf policy is very skillful and very effective.


        On the one hand, you are right, if you want, the Americans can quickly and decisively twist any enemy in the BV. The problem is that a player came to BV that the Americans cannot twist. This is Russia. And it doesn’t matter at all how many Russian soldiers and planes are in the region. Full-scale aggression against these small forces is aggression against a nuclear state. A group in Syria is that bear’s claw, cutting off which you will scrub from the whole paw. Therefore, on the other hand, this is the whole secret of the clumsy stomping of amers in the BV recently.
        And representatives of the pro-Western Middle Eastern elites who have become frequent visitors to Russia, go to bargain for permission to act in order to put an end to Shiite and secular regimes. They already have a blessing from the amers, what to fly there, but the Russians "do not let it go." Therefore, we need to offer them something to remove their bear claw. So far, apparently, the Western sixes have not been able to bring any interesting proposals. However, before WWII and WWII, the diplomacy of the Naglo-Saxons was also very active, and the current increased activity of the Westerners may well speak of the approaching moment when the "Gordian knot" in the BV will be cut with a sword.
      2. Knowing
        Knowing 13 May 2016 08: 09
        +6
        Quote: Region 34
        Knowing! 06.19. Maybe enough already tryndet about stupid Americans.

        And Cho are nervous, but ... calm down ... I didn’t understand yours hi phrase:
        Quote: Region 34
        Dropping them, they do not allow them to rise.

        And in general, I want CHO, then I speak for them, without violating the rules of the site naturally, but ... Yes, by the way:
      3. Volzhanin
        Volzhanin 13 May 2016 09: 31
        +1
        This only speaks of their unprecedented arrogance. You don't immediately kick in the face with a gopnik who "rolled up" to you, even if you are a cut above and obviously stronger. And the result of "communication" can be unexpected, up to a feather in your belly, tk. did not expect and were not ready.
        The same tactics of the vile arrogant Saxons and Americans.
    2. A.Lex
      A.Lex 14 May 2016 20: 22
      0
      Great said! CLASS !!!
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 13 May 2016 06: 21
    +6
    However, leaders of Middle Eastern states fly to “isolated” Moscow, and not to Washington, which was previously considered the world “hegemon”. Why?..Because, the man said, the man did ..
  4. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 13 May 2016 06: 31
    +11
    Russians know how to fight, and Americans know how to kill! That’s the difference between us.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 13 May 2016 06: 52
      +1
      Valery Valery! 06.31. In terms of killing, there is no bazaar. Colonization began with this. But are we able to fight? You can fight in different ways. Military, economic, informational. In what area are we fighting well? So far, only in the military. And take the economic and information, alas. Information in the West perceive us negatively, minus. Economically? What are our victories in the economy? We have defeated poverty and misery, and is there a queue behind our goods abroad?
      1. Pyokhar
        Pyokhar 13 May 2016 07: 07
        +5
        Why did you decide that Russia does not know how to fight? Has anyone, as you put it, "bent" us economically, informationally and militarily? But they are trying! Everything is in order with us and we are going the right way: they reckon with us, for our opponents feel our strength and their weakness.
        1. 34 region
          34 region 13 May 2016 10: 46
          +2
          Pyohar! 07.07. So reckon with us that NATO is already almost in Moscow. Who imposed sanctions, us or them? Is that how they reckon with us? And on the outskirts, who muddied? And how are they treating us today? And why do we have import substitution? Why couldn’t they themselves, but bought from an uncle?
          1. Pyokhar
            Pyokhar 13 May 2016 11: 26
            +7
            Well, NATO stood at our borders - then what! Will this NATA fight with us? That Bulgarians, Hungarians, Balts, Czechs, Slovaks and other Germans are directly burning to attack Russia, to fight with us? Figures, they are afraid of us asking the Americans to bring at least a hundred of their soldiers into their countries.))) So they certainly are, and after the Crimea and Syria, the West is generally in a stupor. Afraid that we will attack them.)))
            By sanctions. They introduced them out of stupidity and in the belief that Russia would fall apart, or at least make concessions. Did they do it? Figures. They are ready to lift these sanctions, but they don’t want to show their stupidity with the introduction of sanctions. Although not to abolish sanctions - doubly stupid. Well, the Washington Regional Committee does not.
            And what about Ukraine? Do you somehow care about the opinion of Banderlog about yourself? I personally do not care. Let them treat us as they want. In the current situation in Ukraine, for the junta, it’s important now to catch Putin’s body movements in time, and to dump them far in time from the results.
            With import substitution. What is wrong with the fact that we purchased products at a price that is favorable to us? This is normal even for Europeans and staffers. Problems started, so we quickly rebuilt and started to do everything ourselves, if we wanted to, we did it. What is the tragedy here?
      2. Valery Valery
        Valery Valery 14 May 2016 07: 32
        0
        And Americans are the best lie and rob! Lying is the trump card of the information war, robbery of other countries and peoples is the core of economic prosperity! Yes, we can’t and never will!
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 13 May 2016 07: 16
      -6
      Quote: Valery Valery
      Russians know how to fight, and Americans know how to kill! That’s the difference between us.

      This is a stamp. What does not true.
      1. Pyokhar
        Pyokhar 13 May 2016 07: 19
        +6
        Then say the stamp is correct, it would be interesting to listen.))) And they put it somehow it is not clear.))
      2. Volzhanin
        Volzhanin 13 May 2016 09: 35
        +1
        This is not a strain - this is AXIOM! This is dogma!
        The same as the sun and water - the source of life.
      3. Winnie76
        Winnie76 13 May 2016 16: 54
        +1
        I do not like stamps, but in fact it turns out. Something the Americans have either hospitals, wedding processions, or bulldozers. In Iraq, the same robust frolic around the civilian population
    3. amirbek
      amirbek 13 May 2016 08: 33
      -1
      Quote: Valery Valery
      Russians know how to fight, and Americans know how to kill! That’s the difference between us.

      you can begin to conquer other planets - "Starship Troopers" together angry
      1. Pyokhar
        Pyokhar 13 May 2016 09: 33
        +2
        It is only in Uzbekistan that they are preparing to conquer other planets, because even in Ulan Bator they know that there is no life on other planets. Are you going to fight with anyone there?)))
        1. amirbek
          amirbek 13 May 2016 13: 32
          +3
          Quote: Pyohar
          It is only in Uzbekistan that they are preparing to conquer other planets

          where did you get ... we still have enough of this planet laughing
          Quote: Pyohar
          for even in Ulan Bator they know

          they don’t know anything ... there weed does not grow wassat
          1. Pyokhar
            Pyokhar 13 May 2016 14: 48
            +2
            Yes, I do not mind.))) I really love Uzbekistan and respect Uzbeks, because my mother is from those places - from Yangiyul. I have been visiting you all my childhood for the summer: I still remember with warmth. Wonderful country. Sincerely.
  5. Amurets
    Amurets 13 May 2016 06: 47
    +6
    Quote: parusnik
    However, leaders of Middle Eastern states fly to “isolated” Moscow, and not to Washington, which was previously considered the world “hegemon”. Why?..Because, the man said, the man did ..

    I would say this. The leaders of the BV were convinced of the "democracy" that the Americans brought them. "Desert Storm", Libya, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan. Here are the sprouts of "real American prosperity" of these countries. that if they want to survive, it is necessary to get rid of the influence of the United States. For example, this is the "Panama dossier" and documents on the SA of 11.09.2001/XNUMX/XNUMX. That is, at the BV, the Americans will surrender or destroy any leader who did not please them. The Panama dossier, as an example of the fact that The Yankees can orchestrate the leaking of documents from whatever sources they have available; here you can refer to Snowden, who said that the US was monitoring everyone.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 13 May 2016 07: 00
      +6
      Amurets! 06.47. It is clear that country leaders are well held for Faberge. But before the export of democracies, didn’t they really think about the consequences? Although why go far. Our people also love offshore and foreign banks. I'm afraid today everyone has a choice: skin, money, skin and money? request
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 13 May 2016 07: 38
        +4
        Quote: 34 region
        Amurets! 06.47. It is clear that country leaders are well held for Faberge. But before the export of democracies, didn’t they really think about the consequences? Although why go far. Our people also love offshore and foreign banks. I'm afraid today everyone has a choice: skin, money, skin and money? request

        I agree with you, when Gaddafi was alive, Saddam Hussein and the local kings felt confident in BV. Now, in the light of the Syrian operation, the cowardice of the USA in front of the SA realized that it was necessary to look for a patron who is stronger. In this moment, Putin and the Russian Federation, psychologically, stronger than the USA. And now this question has become, how correctly you noted, skin or money.
      2. Xsanchez
        Xsanchez 13 May 2016 18: 30
        0
        The goals are not quite right. For Faberge they already held the majority of BV leaders, which does not prevent the Amers from changing to not quite adequate, ready to cooperate with anyone, but not with Washington. Here the background is deeper: the SGA is not able to hold entire regions in their hands, and voluntarily transmit greed strangles, that's why, sobsno, they organize chaos after themselves. They act according to the principle: you do not get to anyone, while fomenting ethnic conflicts, and driving the economy and infrastructure into the early Middle Ages.
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 13 May 2016 06: 52
    +6
    neither Arabs nor Jews seek support from US President Obama.

    Our colleagues from Israel could argue with this statement, especially since Israel is openly sponsored by the United States, and God forbid Russia to keep itself afloat for now. From the side, everything may look beautiful, but the real picture is that we still have to fight very hard for our leadership in the region.
    1. Seren
      Seren 13 May 2016 07: 07
      +6
      Quote: inkass_98
      neither Arabs nor Jews seek support from US President Obama.

      Our colleagues from Israel could argue with this statement, especially since Israel is openly sponsored by the United States, and God forbid Russia to keep itself afloat for now. From the side, everything may look beautiful, but the real picture is that we still have to fight very hard for our leadership in the region.



      America’s support and Obama’s support are not the same thing. We are very good with America and very bad with Obama.
      1. FenH
        FenH 13 May 2016 09: 30
        +4
        Quote: seren
        Quote: inkass_98
        neither Arabs nor Jews seek support from US President Obama.

        Our colleagues from Israel could argue with this statement, especially since Israel is openly sponsored by the United States, and God forbid Russia to keep itself afloat for now. From the side, everything may look beautiful, but the real picture is that we still have to fight very hard for our leadership in the region.



        America’s support and Obama’s support are not the same thing. We are very good with America and very bad with Obama.


        And my dear, I don’t understand your good attitude towards America. Actually, the Americans didn’t care what kind of fertilizers or varieties of soap were made by fascist Germany from you until the Soviet Union’s army crossed the border and began to destroy fascism in Europe. were able to start a war in Europe back in 39, but they preferred to continue trading with Hitler than to save the Jewish population in Europe. Aren't you afraid that they will throw you again, for their own benefit?
        1. tilix
          tilix 13 May 2016 10: 10
          +1
          You see, while the followers of the Nazis in the face of the Arabs tried to repeat, with the support of the Soviet Union, the States supported us.
          1. FenH
            FenH 13 May 2016 10: 14
            +8
            Quote: tilix
            You see, while the followers of the Nazis in the face of the Arabs tried to repeat, with the support of the Soviet Union, the States supported us.


            To begin with, the Soviet Union supported you, which you hastened to forget. And the Arabs began to attack you with the submission of the British, you also modestly forgot about it. You also modestly kept silent about the issue of protection against fascists
            1. tilix
              tilix 13 May 2016 11: 01
              +1
              I somehow don’t remember that the Soviet government set as its goal the protection of Jews from the Nazis. Can you remind me of the decree, what mandate, an order of Stalin? BUT? No? Your grandfathers, like mine, destroyed the Nazis honor and Glory to them, so what? How does their act apply to you? None. You and that country have profiled.
              1. FenH
                FenH 13 May 2016 11: 22
                +4
                Quote: tilix
                I somehow don’t remember that the Soviet government set as its goal the protection of Jews from the Nazis. Can you remind me of the decree, what mandate, an order of Stalin? AND? No? Your grandfathers, like mine, destroyed the Nazis, so what? How does their act apply to you? None.


                Why did the Jews not leave Europe before the war?
                The simplest answer is that they simply had nowhere to run. For European Jews, according to the well-known expression of Chaim Weizmann, the whole then-world was divided into two parts: places where they could not live, and places where they could not come.

                Restrictions in immigration policies towards Jewish refugees in most countries were affected by economic reasons, combined with banal xenophobia and overt anti-Semitism. The international conference on refugee affairs, convened on the initiative of President Franklin Roosevelt in July 1938 in the French city of Evian, failed completely. Apart from the Dominican Republic, not one of the 32 countries participating in the conference was able to offer Jewish refugees from Austria and Germany, depriving them of their last hope.


                And where is the mandate to save Jews from America? Or is it easier to blame the Soviet Union?

                The number of Jews who died and escaped in the Soviet republics, including the territories annexed by the Soviet Union in 1939-40.

                Republic remained occupied
                Territories Saved
                Belarus 570.000 - 600.000 14.000 - 18.000 556.000 - 582.000
                Ukraine 1.475.000 - 1.550.000 23.000 - 32.000 1.452.000 - 1.518.000
                Russia 60.000 - 75.000 5.000 55.000 - 70.000
                Moldova 227.000 - 232.000 51.000 - 53.000 176.000 - 179.000
                Lithuania 205.000 - 210.000 9.000 - 10.000 196.000 - 200.000
                Latvia 74.000 - 75.000 1.000 73.000 - 74.000
                Estonia 1.000 - 1.500 - 1.000 - 1.500
                Total 2.612.000 - 2.743.500 103.000 - 119.000 2.509.000 - 2.624.000

                Where was your America?
                1. Chisayna
                  Chisayna 13 May 2016 11: 55
                  +2
                  You don’t take any Jew, so his grandfathers fought so much, fought so much that no one fought besides them. And who kept the front in the bread city.
                  1. FenH
                    FenH 13 May 2016 12: 06
                    -1
                    Quote: Chisain
                    You don’t take any Jew, so his grandfathers fought so much, fought so much that no one fought besides them. And who kept the front in the bread city.

                    They were busy at that time, drove along with fascists of the British across Palestine wink
                    1. Chisayna
                      Chisayna 13 May 2016 12: 28
                      +2
                      They also plowed at the Krupp factories and sat in cesspools. Schindler's list.
                  2. Revolver
                    Revolver 13 May 2016 16: 06
                    0
                    Quote: Chisain
                    .And who held the front in the bread city.

                    In particular, my grandfather held the front in the "grain" city of Sverdlovsk. What was he doing there? Well, let's say, the fact that his immediate superior at one time was a certain Isaak Moiseevich Zaltsman, does not tell you anything? And it’s not his fault that he, the senior lieutenant of the reserve (there is a photo from the pre-war training camp, where he with three cubs in his collar tabs) was not only not called up, but even not allowed into the militia, although he signed up. They ordered me to lead the evacuation train, which took out machines from St. Petersburg to the Urals, and I had to. Note, other chiefs of the trains took out their junk and furniture, for which some later went to the penal battalions, and he only took a suitcase with clothes and a Singer sewing machine. And the furniture and documents were burned in a stove-stove by self-immigrants - there were quite a few people in St. Petersburg who were eager for abandoned apartments.
                    And also, mind you, the medal "For Valiant Labor" from the obverse is the same as the medal "For Victory over Germany", the same profile of Stalin, the only difference is in the inscription on the reverse.
                    So cram your post into a famous place.
                    1. Chisayna
                      Chisayna 13 May 2016 17: 49
                      -1
                      Here's how you say about the "city of bread" so in a certain category of persons begins incontinence of everything and everything. Why would it.
                2. tilix
                  tilix 13 May 2016 13: 17
                  +2
                  Yeah, such a long answer, but essentially zero.
                  while the followers of the Nazis in the face of the Arabs tried to repeat, with the support of the Soviet Union, the States supported us.
                  This is later, you know? They would be silent, you look, and you would have gone for something. And below I already see with a lover in the rectum peep sniffed
                  Quote: Chisain
                  I hope you yourself are wrong? Or maybe you are also a hedgehog hereditary?
                  1. FenH
                    FenH 13 May 2016 13: 43
                    +2
                    [quote = tilix] Yeah, such a long answer, but essentially zero. [quote] while the followers of the Nazis in the face of the Arabs tried to repeat, with the support of the Soviet Union, the States supported us. This is later, you know? They would be silent, you look and would go for something. [/ Quote]


                    Oh, yes, much later. Where did the Americans go to the Holocaust? You never answered, you wag your tail at uncomfortable questions. You started to slander you with more than that, and you pour slop on Stalin.

                    [quote = tilix] And below I already see with a lover a rectum to glance sniffed [quote] Quote: Chisayna [/ quote] I hope you yourself are wrong? Or maybe you are also a hedgehog hereditary? [/ Quote]

                    But rude is not worth starting.
                    1. tilix
                      tilix 13 May 2016 13: 52
                      +1
                      But rude is not worth starting.
                      You started to be rude, bringing an amateur into the rectum to look, I’m only interested in maybe you have single lessons.
                      But I will try again
                      Where were the Americans at the Holocaust
                      In the same place as the Union, they went about their business. It was not with them, not with the Union, to save Jews from extermination. Then your lies are pure water. Show me where I am
                      and slops you pour on Stalin
                      Found it? Not? Explain the lie?
                      1. FenH
                        FenH 13 May 2016 13: 59
                        -1
                        Quote: tilix
                        But rude is not worth starting.
                        You started to be rude, bringing an amateur into the rectum to look, I’m only interested in maybe you have single lessons.
                        But I will try again
                        Where were the Americans at the Holocaust
                        In the same place as the Union, they went about their business. It was not with them, not with the Union, to save Jews from extermination. Then your lies are pure water. Show me where I am
                        and slops you pour on Stalin
                        Found it? Not? Explain the lie?

                        Generally speaking, these are representatives of the Jewish people, I hope that it is not difficult for you to find links to the statements of your countrymen at your forums and co-religionists around the world.

                        What the Jewish citizen, whom I brought in, did to me, it makes no difference to me. The main thing is that he precisely indicated the reason.

                        And if you began to comment from the very beginning, you should have read my question in full: -Don't you be afraid that the Americans will throw you again, or as you put it, they will be busy with their affairs
                      2. tilix
                        tilix 13 May 2016 14: 21
                        +2
                        the Jewish citizen that I brought
                        Your citizen, I don’t know what kind of tribe he is, but yours, completely and irrevocably. And since he is yours, then
                        You are generalized representatives
                        then as he is your representative, then I ask, I hope you yourself are wrong?
                        amateur rectum
                        Or maybe you are also a hedgehog hereditary?
                        Do not be afraid that the Americans will throw you again
                        We are afraid that America and Russia, and especially Europeans, may throw.
                        So you need to hope for yourself.
                      3. FenH
                        FenH 13 May 2016 14: 27
                        -1
                        Quote: tilix
                        the Jewish citizen that I brought
                        Your citizen, I don’t know what kind of tribe he is, but yours, completely and irrevocably. And since he is yours, then
                        You are generalized representatives
                        then as he is your representative, then I ask, I hope you yourself are wrong?
                        amateur rectum
                        Or maybe you are also a hedgehog hereditary?
                        Do not be afraid that the Americans will throw you again
                        We are afraid that America and Russia, and especially Europeans, may throw.
                        So you need to hope for yourself.



                        Do you react so painfully to the SIDEC? And focus on the rectum - The lowered sidekick?
                      4. tilix
                        tilix 13 May 2016 15: 32
                        +2
                        Your friend comrade and brother "Chisaina", hereditary watchman for compatibility, draws attention to the rectum. Well, you as a representative.
                        SITELETS?
                        But God had mercy on me, but he wasn’t a flyer.
                      5. FenH
                        FenH 13 May 2016 15: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: tilix
                        Your friend comrade and brother "Chisaina", hereditary watchman for compatibility, draws attention to the rectum. Well, you as a representative.
                        SITELETS?
                        But God had mercy on me, but he wasn’t a flyer.

                        I did not talk about the rectum with the Chisaina mosque, you started this conversation. What did you drag it into is not clear. I did not compare you with the "professor".
                      6. tilix
                        tilix 13 May 2016 23: 41
                        +1
                        I did not talk about the rectum with the Chisaina mosque
                        I don’t know how, how and what you and your comrade amateurs were looking into the rectum to talk about.
                        What you dragged him to is not clear
                        So you quoted him first. Such lovers are still your business, but now you lied again and you didn’t explain your lie.
                        What makes you, in your own words
                        these are generally representatives
                        a liar, not responding to his words, and a representative of the guard and lovers into the rectum. And I disdain such, and what if the representatives are?
                        It’s good that there are other representatives.
                        I didn't compare you with the "professor"
                        - I am mail comparing with a professor for the honor. He is by no means an amateur, well, how your represented. And most importantly, the answer holds for the bazaar.
    2. Winnie76
      Winnie76 13 May 2016 14: 07
      +2
      Quote: tilix
      I somehow don’t remember that the Soviet government set as its goal the protection of Jews from the Nazis. Can you remind me of the decree, what mandate, an order of Stalin?

      So for the Jews it was necessary to write a personal law? Here Stalin laughed. wink They were protected in the same way as all other nationalities. Or do you think the life of a hypothetical Chukchi, a citizen of the USSR, is much less valuable than the life of a Jew? It smacks of fascism, don’t you find Tiliks?
      Quote: tilix
      Your grandfathers, like mine, destroyed the Nazis honor and Glory to them, so what? How does their act apply to you?

      I agree, does not apply. You can only be proud of your ancestors, as in Russia, and you can cf..t to the graves of your ancestors, as in Ukraine. All the difference.

      Two feelings are marvelously close to us -
      They find food in the heart -
      Love for the native ashes
      Love for fatherly coffins.


      Maybe they read, Tiliks, Pushkin AS?
      Quote: tilix
      You and that country have profiled.

      You are right, profiled. And rebuild. I hope without your participation
      1. FenH
        FenH 13 May 2016 14: 09
        +1
        Quote: Winnie76
        Quote: tilix
        I somehow don’t remember that the Soviet government set as its goal the protection of Jews from the Nazis. Can you remind me of the decree, what mandate, an order of Stalin?

        So for the Jews it was necessary to write a personal law? They were protected in the same way as all other nationalities. Or do you think the life of a hypothetical Chukchi, a citizen of the USSR, is much less valuable than the life of a Jew? It smacks of fascism, don’t you find Mr. Tiliks?
        Quote: tilix
        Your grandfathers, like mine, destroyed the Nazis honor and Glory to them, so what? How does their act apply to you?

        I agree, does not apply. You can only be proud of your ancestors, as in Russia, and you can cf..t to the graves of your ancestors, as in Ukraine. All the difference.
        Quote: tilix
        You and that country have profiled.

        You are right, profiled. And rebuild. I hope without your participation


        I subscribe to each answer hi
        1. Chisayna
          Chisayna 13 May 2016 14: 31
          +1
          This tiliks stinks of impotent malice. He can’t forget how he and his whole family were washed before leaving the USSR. And he didn’t have to take the stolen, acquired by dishonest labor. By the way, he himself admitted this.
      2. tilix
        tilix 13 May 2016 14: 47
        +3
        So for the Jews it was necessary to write a personal law?
        Where did I ask for this? What is the way to invent and slander the opponent?
        It smacks of fascism, don’t you?

        I said, and I say again, howling about the salvation of Jews by the Union, the Union did not have such a goal. The leaders of the USSR had completely different tasks. And they did everything to reach them. Something incidentally happened, something not.
        You can only be proud of your ancestors
        Well, I'm proud.
        can be .. to the graves of their ancestors
        Can. Not with us, of course.
        And rebuild. I hope without your participation
        I hope without mine for sure. His need to rebuild, learned with bitter grief.
        1. Winnie76
          Winnie76 13 May 2016 15: 42
          +3
          Quote: tilix
          I somehow don’t remember that the Soviet government set as its goal the protection of Jews from the Nazis. Can you remind me of the decree, what mandate, an order of Stalin? AND? No?

          Here they asked to bring, not?
          Quote: tilix
          I said, and I say again, howling about the salvation of Jews by the Union, the Union did not have such a goal.

          It was not natural. The task was to save the country and, if possible, the life of citizens of the USSR, if you are talking about the Second World War. Without dividing into Jews and others. Regarding the howls about the salvation of the Jews, first no one howls, and secondly, who freed the death camps? Again, America defeated the Nazis? The Soviet Union for three years was foolish, and America opened a second front in the 3th and immediately saved everyone. Where were your American friends for 44 years when the Jews were holocausted in the camps? And the British friends hid on the islet, helped Jews in Europe greatly? Or France, when immediately lay down under Hitler?
    3. Bramb
      Bramb 13 May 2016 15: 09
      +3
      Quote: tilix
      I somehow don’t remember that the Soviet government set as its goal the protection of Jews from the Nazis.

      But what, should it?
      In the USSR, there were two hundred nationalities and everyone received support, analogues of which were not and are not anywhere else in the world. So you were supposed to do more than the rest? Or are you talking about those in another country? Then the counter-question: show me the mandate, where the Jews or Israel set as their goal the protection of the Russians.
      No need here la la! Israel, created by the Jews, is a typical and classic Nazi state. Following the example of Nazi Germany.
      1. tilix
        tilix 13 May 2016 15: 37
        +3
        Do not here la la
        Your natsik right to think anything.
        But what, should it?
        But why lie? Can't you do otherwise?
        where the Jews or Israel aims to protect the Russians.
        And what do we boast about on every line saying they saved the Russians?
  7. Professor
    Professor 13 May 2016 14: 14
    +2
    Recently, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met with the Russian president, and this was "his second visit to Russia since last fall."
    What is surprising? Bibi and Obama hate each other. The president will change in Washington and again Bibi will frequent him. Bibi coordinated in the Kremlin flights in the sky of Syria.

    In the Arab-Israeli conflict, Russia has no weight whatsoever. Here who pays the one and orders the music. Russia has nothing to pay.

    Quote: FenH
    To begin with, the Soviet Union supported you, which you hastened to forget.

    Bullshit. Israel never supported the USSR in history.
    Quote: FenH
    And the Arabs began to attack you with the submission of the British, about this you too modestly forgot.

    Not at the suggestion of the British, but themselves. And for decades before the proclamation of the state of Israel. The fact that the British supported the Arabs is also no secret.
    Quote: FenH
    After all, the Americans, in fact, didn’t care what fertilizers or varieties of soap were made by fascist Germany

    No one cared, neither the United States nor the USSR. Everyone there defended exclusively their interests. Not a single Soviet bomber bombed gas chambers and crematoriums in death camps. Berlin was already bombed in 1941, but there weren’t enough to see bombs at the crematorium.
    1. FenH
      FenH 13 May 2016 14: 18
      -2
      Quote: Professor
      Recently, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met with the Russian president, and this was "his second visit to Russia since last fall."
      What is surprising? Bibi and Obama hate each other. The president will change in Washington and again Bibi will frequent him. Bibi coordinated in the Kremlin flights in the sky of Syria.

      In the Arab-Israeli conflict, Russia has no weight whatsoever. Here who pays the one and orders the music. Russia has nothing to pay.

      Quote: FenH
      To begin with, the Soviet Union supported you, which you hastened to forget.

      Bullshit. Israel never supported the USSR in history.
      Quote: FenH
      And the Arabs began to attack you with the submission of the British, about this you too modestly forgot.

      Not at the suggestion of the British, but themselves. And for decades before the proclamation of the state of Israel. The fact that the British supported the Arabs is also no secret.
      Quote: FenH
      After all, the Americans, in fact, didn’t care what fertilizers or varieties of soap were made by fascist Germany

      No one cared, neither the United States nor the USSR. Everyone there defended exclusively their interests. Not a single Soviet bomber bombed gas chambers and crematoriums in death camps. Berlin was already bombed in 1941, but there weren’t enough to see bombs at the crematorium.


      I will not comment on your nonsense. You must be a complete idiot to believe in fairy tales about the formation of the Jewish state written by you. hi
      1. Professor
        Professor 13 May 2016 14: 22
        +6
        Quote: FenH
        Porfessor I will not comment on your nonsense. You must be a complete idiot to believe in fairy tales about the formation of the Jewish state written by you.

        Facts are a cruel thing. You can stick your head in the sand like an ostrich, but the reality will not change.
        Porfessor hi
        1. FenH
          FenH 13 May 2016 14: 25
          -2
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: FenH
          Porfessor I will not comment on your nonsense. You must be a complete idiot to believe in fairy tales about the formation of the Jewish state written by you.

          Facts are a cruel thing. You can stick your head in the sand like an ostrich, but the reality will not change.
          Porfessor hi


          Professor facts You can distort and deny, so it is you in the ostrich pose laughing
          1. Professor
            Professor 13 May 2016 14: 27
            +2
            Quote: FenH
            Professor facts You can distort and deny, so it is you in the ostrich pose

            Distorted facts are a lie. I provide either facts or my personal opinion. In both cases, I indicate what it is.

            PS
            a bird on your avatar. laughing
            1. FenH
              FenH 13 May 2016 14: 31
              +2
              [quote = professor] [quote = FenH] Professor facts You can distort and deny, so it’s you in an ostrich pose [/ quote]
              Distorted facts are a lie. I provide either facts or my personal opinion. In both cases, I indicate what it is.

              You distort and distort these very facts, that is, lie laughing
              Thank you for admitting yourself hi

              [quote = professor] PS
              a bird on your avatar. laughing[/ Quote]

              A bird is a bird of strife, as is the Jew indicated on your avatar-Jew to whom he writes to me under the nickname "PROFESSOR" wink
            2. Professor
              Professor 13 May 2016 14: 38
              0
              Quote: FenH
              Distorted facts are a lie. I provide either facts or my personal opinion. In both cases, I indicate what it is.

              No one ever convicted me of a lie. it is a fact.

              Quote: FenH
              A bird is a bird of strife, as is the Jew indicated on your avatar-Jew to whom he writes to me under the nickname "PROFESSOR"

              Nevertheless, you have a feathered avatar. This is a fact as well as the fact that the USSR did not bomb the concentration camps, although technically it could have done so already in 1941. On August 7, 1941, Soviet aircraft already bombed Berlin.
              In total, before September 5, Soviet pilots completed nine raids on Berlin, making a total of 86 sorties. 33 aircraft bombed Berlin, dropping 21 tons of bombs on it and causing 32 fires in the city. 37 aircraft were unable to reach the capital of Germany and attacked other cities. In total, 311 HE and incendiary bombs with a total weight of 36050 kg were consumed.

              Could you not get to Auschwitz? The Americans didn’t bomb either.
            3. FenH
              FenH 13 May 2016 14: 45
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Quote: FenH
              Distorted facts are a lie. I provide either facts or my personal opinion. In both cases, I indicate what it is.

              No one ever convicted me of a lie. it is a fact.

              Quote: FenH
              A bird is a bird of strife, as is the Jew indicated on your avatar-Jew to whom he writes to me under the nickname "PROFESSOR"

              Nevertheless, you have a feathered avatar. This is a fact as well as the fact that the USSR did not bomb the concentration camps, although technically it could have done so already in 1941. On August 7, 1941, Soviet aircraft already bombed Berlin. Could you not get to Auschwitz? The Americans didn’t bomb either.


              To bomb concentration camps with civilians inside? Super idea, purely American, like Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki good

              "The Soviet Union never helped Israel" - that's your lie

              On the day Israel was proclaimed an independent State, the regular armies of Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan invaded its territory. The first Arab-Israeli war began. In this war, it was the Soviet Union that provided Israel with quick and effective military assistance. Through Czechoslovakia and Romania, a large number of weapons of all kinds were sent by sea to Israel. Most of this weapon was from stocks of German captured equipment. Deliveries included machine guns, mortars, artillery and German Messerschmitt fighters. Britain, by contrast, supplied weapons to Arab countries dependent on it. All these countries, except Lebanon, were in 1947 the monarchies created by Great Britain after the First World War. The United States has announced an arms embargo on the region.

              Along with weapons from Eastern European countries, a large number of military men came - Israel - Jews who had experience in the war against Germany. Secretly sent to Israel and Soviet military officers. Great opportunities appeared in the Soviet intelligence. According to the testimony of General Pavel Sudoplatov, the use of Soviet intelligence officers in combat and sabotage operations against the British in Israel was already begun in 1946 [66]

            4. Professor
              Professor 13 May 2016 14: 56
              0
              Quote: FenH
              To bomb concentration camps with civilians inside? Super idea, purely American, like Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki

              Well yes. And didn’t the bombed crematorium and gas chambers of these civilians get healthy there? By the way, in Berlin, weren’t civilians subjected to night bombing? Again a fact. This (bombardment) does not cause me the slightest regret.
              Should the Allies have bombed Auschwitz? A still-incendiary question

              Quote: FenH
              "The Soviet Union never helped Israel" - that's your lie

              Never and by nothing. It is a fact.

              PS
              A photograph from the side of an American B-24 bomber bombing a factory near Birkenhau on September 13, 1944 .. Neither the Americans were interested in gas chambers or advice. It is a fact.
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            6. Professor
              Professor 13 May 2016 15: 07
              -1
              Quote: FenH
              In cremators, they burned the dead from hunger.

              Yes? And where are they strangled in gas chambers?
              The gas chamber is the industrial destruction of people. Many immediately from transport through selection into the gas chamber, without hunger.

              Why didn't the tips bomb the gas chambers?

              Quote: FenH
              Weapons and experts is not help? Yes, you dear, a LIAR squared

              Name of specialists in the studio. At least one? wink
              The number of the order for the supply of weapons to the studio.
            7. FenH
              FenH 13 May 2016 15: 18
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Quote: FenH
              In cremators, they burned the dead from hunger.

              Yes? And where are they strangled in gas chambers?
              The gas chamber is the industrial destruction of people. Many immediately from transport through selection to the gas chamber. Why didn't the tips bomb the gas chambers?


              Quote: FenH
              In Belarus, people were burnt alive in the sheds of entire villages. Did you also need to bomb the sheds so that there was nowhere to burn?


              Quote: FenH
              Weapons and experts is not help? Yes, you dear, a LIAR squared

              Name of specialists in the studio. At least one? wink
              The number of the order for the supply of weapons to the studio.


              Sudoplatov Pavel. Look and Fail wink

              I liked the order numbers lol Do you really think that you could take out even one cartridge from Czechoslovakia without the consent of Stalin? You probably believe in a tooth fairy wink

              With the same success, I can demand from you the number of orders for the supply of weapons to Hezbole by Iran laughing
            8. Professor
              Professor 13 May 2016 15: 26
              +1
              Quote: FenH
              Sudoplatov Pavel. Look and Fail

              Well? How does he relate to the formation of Israel? By taking part in the liquidation of the Jewish anti-fascist committee? But the trouble is, he has not been to Israel.

              Quote: FenH
              I liked the numbers of the orders. Do you really think that you could take out even one cartridge from Czechoslovakia without the consent of Stalin?

              And that's why those who supplied the weapons were shot? Why? After all, Stalin himself "gave the go-ahead"? So, the number of the order to the studio.

              Quote: FenH
              With the same success, I can demand from you the number of orders for the supply of weapons to Hezbole by Iran

              The USSR is not Iran. Or Iran? wink
            9. FenH
              FenH 13 May 2016 15: 48
              +1
              About the shooting of the weapons that you supply, of course, you can make court sentences, or are you just to blabber it?

              The USSR is not Iran, but there are no such orders for the supply of weapons, although you can cite as an example the orders for the supply of weapons by Israel to the Syrian "rebels" wink
            10. Professor
              Professor 13 May 2016 16: 07
              -1
              Quote: FenH
              About the shooting of the weapons that you supply, of course, you can make court sentences, or are you just to blabber it?

              Certainly can. And right after you bring:
              Name of specialists in the studio. At least one?
              The number of the order for the supply of weapons to the studio.


              The most interesting thing is that during the investigation they never said that Stalin allowed them. They are sentenced to death, but they do not want to extradite Stalin?

              Quote: FenH
              The USSR is not Iran, but there are no such orders for the supply of weapons, although you can cite as an example the orders for the supply of weapons by Israel to the Syrian "rebels"

              The number of the order, a copy of the memorandum, resolution, order? Come on? After all, the USSR was a country with a bureaucracy, and not some gang.
            11. FenH
              FenH 13 May 2016 16: 16
              +1
              By specialists:
              At the same time, I’ll point out sources where you can find out about Soviet volunteers. First of all, these are the memoirs of Abraham Ben-Yaakov, who was with them either a translator or a liaison with the military authorities. Ben Yaakov is well known to the Russian-speaking public in Israel. In the early 1990s he was deputy. Editor-in-chief of the first major Russian-language newspaper Vremya (the editor-in-chief was E. Kuznetsov). Ben-Yaakov represented the interests of the owner, Maxwell, who, incidentally, in 1948 played a key role in Stalin's sanctioned supply of Czechoslovak and German captured weapons to Israel.

              Soviet volunteers made a decisive contribution to the creation of Israeli artillery and armored forces. On their account and other merits. Volunteers fought as part of the Mahal volunteer brigade, although today their personal files are not in the archive, and on the site their participation in the War of Independence is mentioned in only one word. Some materials on volunteers can be found here: DocumentsonIsraeliSovietRelations, 1941-53. London: Routledge.

              If you are interested in this issue, I can also recommend raising the filings of the magazine A-Olam A-Ze (This World) for 1953 and 1955. There were published materials on the topic, and especially the series of reports “Where did Sashka the Commissar go?” dealing with the first ever revealed case of Soviet espionage in Israeli history. The hero of the reports, Alexander Kassovsky (according to another version, his surname Krassovsky), was an educational officer among Soviet volunteers and there were many lively details about their affairs in the reports.

              On invoices, orders and documents:

              Immediately after you provide the same documents for the supply of Israeli weapons to the Syrian "rebels"
            12. Professor
              Professor 13 May 2016 16: 20
              -2
              Quote: FenH
              By specialists:

              Name in studio.

              Quote: FenH
              Immediately after you provide the same documents for the supply of Israeli weapons to the Syrian "rebels"

              Thickly troll, mr. hi
            13. FenH
              FenH 13 May 2016 16: 24
              -3
              But what does the search engine do not give the last name on the links? Or do you not know how to use the search engine?

              Not thicker than your troll, Mr. Brechlo hi
            14. Professor
              Professor 13 May 2016 16: 29
              -2
              Quote: FenH
              But what does the search engine do not give the last name on the links? Or do you not know how to use the search engine?

              How cute. They call me a liar and send me to the search engine as evidence. classic, mr.

              Quote: FenH
              Not thicker than your troll, Mr. Brechlo

              Take me to the surface with facts, crush me with material evidence. Yeah, like that. Where do you get them? Don't you show the name of a single "specialist"? Was there a boy? wink
            15. FenH
              FenH 13 May 2016 16: 45
              +2
              I sent you where you can read about volunteers and weapons supplies, but you probably didn’t read or don’t want to read, because it will be a break of templates for you. Facts you ignore and crush you with them is the same as crushing a certain substance in your hands, between your fingers You’re unable to prove the opposite, and the existence of the state of Israel confirms that the boy was wink

              Abraham Ben Yaakov Help you for self-education
              Nikolsky, Zaitsev and Malevanny
            16. Professor
              Professor 14 May 2016 07: 33
              0
              Quote: FenH
              I sent you where you can read about volunteers and weapons supplies, but you probably didn’t read or don’t want to read, because it will be a break for you templates. Facts you ignore and crush you with them is the same as crushing a certain substance in your hands, between your fingers crawl through.

              What are the facts? Is it like Paul Sudoplatov who you never visited in Israel?

              Quote: FenH
              You are not able to prove the opposite, and the existence of the state of Israel confirms that the boy was

              Prove the payback? Are you 15 years old? wink

              Quote: FenH
              Nikolsky, Zaitsev and Malevanny

              Ivanov, Perth, Sidorov and further on the list? laughing
              I'll help you. The IDF volunteer organization, and there were already tens of thousands of them, reports that there were no "specialists." Looking for a reference for you? wink
  8. Winnie76
    Winnie76 13 May 2016 16: 20
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    The gas chamber is the industrial destruction of people. Many immediately from transport through selection into the gas chamber, without hunger.

    Thank you Professor for the valuable information. And then we did not know. You better tell your friends to the Americans.
    Quote: Professor
    Why didn't the tips bomb the gas chambers?

    And bring here Lyapkina-Tyapkina, under the bright eyes of the Professor himself. Died - to exhume. Why didn’t you ... bombed Berlin, but didn’t bomb Auschwitz?

    But seriously, I'm interested in something else. Why do our Israeli friends associate themselves with the Jews in the concentration camp, and not with the Jews in the Red Army and not with the Jews in the leadership of the USSR. And if this same Lyapkin-Tyapkin was a Jew, or, say, Evenk, or a Georgian. That again the Russian g.da are to blame?
  9. Professor
    Professor 13 May 2016 16: 32
    -1
    Quote: Winnie76
    Thank you Professor for the valuable information. And then we did not know. You better tell your friends to the Americans.

    The Americans also did not lift a finger. Just like the tips.

    Quote: Winnie76
    But seriously, I'm interested in something else. Why do our Israeli friends associate themselves with the Jews in the concentration camp, and not with the Jews in the Red Army and not with the Jews in the leadership of the USSR. And if this same Lyapkin-Tyapkin was a Jew, or, say, Evenk, or a Georgian. That again the Russian g.da are to blame?

    Don't fantasize. My grandfathers beat the fascists and did not shout that he was saving someone. And here you are "saviors of the Jewish people" turns out. You have to be more modest.
  10. Winnie76
    Winnie76 13 May 2016 17: 05
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Don't fantasize. My grandfathers beat the fascists and did not shout that he was saving someone. And here you are "saviors of the Jewish people" turns out. You have to be more modest.

    Well, you, Professor, are asking us, generalized and average Russians. WHY was Berlin bombed and Buchenwald not? That is, in fact, you put us in the position of soldiers of the Red Army (who we are not), and then you say, "Don't fantasize. You have to be more modest."

    Chic Manipulation, Professor, 5 points
  11. Winnie76
    Winnie76 13 May 2016 16: 00
    +4
    Quote: Professor
    This is a fact as well as the fact that the USSR did not bomb the concentration camps, although technically it could have done so already in 1941. On August 7, 1941, Soviet aircraft already bombed Berlin.

    Well, they would have bombed. And then, after 70 years, all professors would tell us how good Germans cherished, cherished and nursed Jews in concentration camps, and Russian barbarians bombed and killed them.
    "Uncle Petya, you do .. how?" Or do you hold us for the id ...?
  12. Professor
    Professor 13 May 2016 16: 17
    0
    Quote: Winnie76
    Well, they would have bombed. And then, after 70 years, all professors would tell us how good Germans cherished, cherished and nursed Jews in concentration camps, and Russian barbarians bombed and killed them.
    "Uncle Petya, you do .. how?" Or do you hold us for the id ...?

    And what prevented the bombing of gas chambers? After all, there were Soviet prisoners of war killed in these cells. Humanity?
  13. FenH
    FenH 13 May 2016 16: 21
    -2
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Winnie76
    Well, they would have bombed. And then, after 70 years, all professors would tell us how good Germans cherished, cherished and nursed Jews in concentration camps, and Russian barbarians bombed and killed them.
    "Uncle Petya, you do .. how?" Or do you hold us for the id ...?

    And what prevented the bombing of gas chambers? After all, there were Soviet prisoners of war killed in these cells. Humanity?


    Hitler personally sent to Stalin schemes where the gas chamber is from the buildings and where is the residential hut so that they don’t miss the bombing? And Stalin didn’t want to bomb? And you don’t know the word gazenvagen either
  14. Professor
    Professor 14 May 2016 07: 05
    -1
    Quote: FenH
    Hitler personally sent to Stalin schemes where from the buildings there is a gas chamber and where is a residential hut, so as not to miss during the bombing? And Stalin did not want to bomb?

    Not Hitler personally, but the valiant Soviet intelligence. The prisoners fled from the camp and everything reported. Zero reactions. Jewish organizations asked to intervene (on December 17, 1942, they sent an official request to Dzhugashvili and 10 more "saviors"). Zero reactions.
    Should the Allies have bombed Auschwitz? A still-incendiary question

    Name of specialists in the studio. At least one?
    The number of the order for the supply of weapons to the studio.
  15. Winnie76
    Winnie76 13 May 2016 16: 35
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    And what prevented the bombing of gas chambers? After all, there were Soviet prisoners of war killed in these cells. Humanity?

    I think it didn’t hurt, but it helped. Brain. What exactly happened in the camps, I think there was little information. They kill people there or just make them work - in each case it was necessary to understand. And just gouging a camp with civilians - only it can come to your head. This is actually a war crime without statute of limitations. It's like gouging a refugee camp because there are a dozen ISIS militants
  16. Professor
    Professor 14 May 2016 06: 54
    -1
    Quote: Winnie76
    What exactly happened in the camps, I think there was little information.

    And you do not think, you do it badly. In addition to Soviet intelligence (all sorts of Shtirlitsy), Jewish organizations reported on what was happening in the camps. asked to intervene. But neither Dzhugashvili nor Rooseveld raised a finger. Rooseveld Cherchel went even further. Jewish refugees returned to Germany. Savior.

    Quote: Winnie76
    They kill people there or just make them work - in each case it was necessary to understand.

    Do they need it? Well, they kill Jews, gypsies or prisoners of war? Strong business. Dzhugashvili was very fond of Soviet prisoners of war.

    Quote: Winnie76
    And just gouging a camp with civilians - only it can come to your head.

    Gas chambers, my young friend, gas chambers. Instrument of death.

    Quote: Winnie76
    This is actually a war crime without statute of limitations.

    fool
    Should the Allies have bombed Auschwitz? A still-incendiary question
  17. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 14 May 2016 07: 35
    0
    Quote: Professor

    Gas chambers, my young friend, gas chambers. Instrument of death

    How many Russians died in these cells?
  18. Professor
    Professor 14 May 2016 07: 38
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    How many Russians died in these cells?

    Many, very many. And Ukrainians, Belarusians and Poles. But this did not bother anyone. No one wanted to destroy the death factory.

    At least 960,000 Jews were killed in Auschwitz. Other victims included approximately 74,000 Poles, 21,000 Roma (Gypsies), and 15,000 Soviet prisoners of war; and 10,000-15,000 members of other nationalities (Soviet civilians, Czechs, Yugoslavs, French, Germans, and Austrians).
  19. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 14 May 2016 08: 54
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Many, very many. And Ukrainians, Belarusians and Poles.

    We weren’t divided before.
    Quote: Professor
    No one wanted to destroy the death factory.

    How to destroy, guided bombs or laser-guided missiles?
    If you were destroyed along with people, now you would have written monsters, people took thousands of people killed.
    Or so, there were gas chambers, but the Russians took and destroyed the evidence along with the people.
    Oleg, do not do PR for the dead. The story is what it is and cannot be changed. Now, after 70 years, everyone sitting on the couch knows better what to do then.
  20. Professor
    Professor 14 May 2016 09: 01
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    We weren’t divided before.

    Always shared. And others themselves shared. Who invented the 5th column?

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    How to destroy, guided bombs or laser-guided missiles?

    What it was.

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    If you were destroyed along with people, now you would have written monsters, people took thousands of people killed.

    So the gas chambers are not destroyed for humanistic reasons? Seriously? Let’s say bombing Kiev or Minsk when liberating from the Nazis, was humanity enough, and gas chambers weren’t enough?

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Oleg, do not do PR for the dead. The story is what it is and cannot be changed. Now, after 70 years, everyone sitting on the couch knows better what to do then.

    What kind of PR? Today, 70 years later, it is already full of those who say that there were no gas chambers or that only those who died of hunger were burned in crematoria. You need to know your history thoroughly, in detail. And here is the presence of gas chambers no one from the "saviors" did not care and there is one detail that must be remembered.
  21. tomatokin
    tomatokin 14 May 2016 04: 35
    0
    5 POINTS, Professor !!! They pinned you ... Answering the question with a question - "kosher" number !!! When there is nothing to answer Winnie76, you suddenly remembered about Soviet prisoners of war ... A typical Jew ...
  • ibirus
    ibirus 14 May 2016 00: 48
    0
    What is the conclusion about "nothing to pay" from? There is money, but it must be spent wisely, with maximum exhaust and on those who can then compensate for the money.
    1. Professor
      Professor 14 May 2016 06: 59
      -1
      Quote: ibirus
      What is the conclusion about "nothing to pay" from?

      From your GDP and the manipulation of pension funds. Will you find there $ 4 billion for gratuitous annual assistance? Here I am about that.
  • bert123
    bert123 13 May 2016 18: 49
    -1
    Well, tell us how the USSR fought with Hitler in 1939
    1. FenH
      FenH 13 May 2016 19: 38
      +1
      Quote: bert123
      Well, tell us how the USSR fought with Hitler in 1939


      And you tell us how the Americans fought with Hitler in 1939
  • Rumata
    Rumata 13 May 2016 13: 50
    +1
    Who are "we? I have nothing against Obama, and only Bibi is to blame for the deterioration of relations
  • Winnie76
    Winnie76 13 May 2016 13: 51
    0
    Quote: seren
    We are very good with America and very bad with Obama.

    You famously decided right away for all the Israelis. Your last name is not Netanyahu?
    1. Seren
      Seren 13 May 2016 22: 11
      -1
      There are opinion polls. 81% of Israelis consider Obama an enemy of Israel. 74% consider America a friend of Israel.
  • kolyhalovs
    kolyhalovs 13 May 2016 06: 59
    +3
    Dennis Ross, who worked in the countries of the Middle East, admits that Arabs and Jews are waiting - they are watching what people will make up the next US administration.

    This man (Dennis) is just kicking the lame duck. Apparently a Republican. And "subtly" hints that now he is not a man in the presidency. "Choose a guy!" motto. So this Dennis Ross most likely wrote the article in terms of the race. This article is of little value to us. You cannot draw any conclusions from it. Moreover, such
    Hope for the return of the hegemon is still warming.

    The hegemon is still here. When the hegemon leaves, his soldiers leave.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 13 May 2016 07: 18
      +2
      Quote: kolyhalovs

      This man (Dennis) just kicks the lame duck. Apparently a Republican.

      Ross was Under Secretary of State for the Clinton Democratic Administration.
      1. Seren
        Seren 13 May 2016 07: 26
        +3
        Ross has never been Under Secretary of State. He was the coordinator of the Palestinian-Israeli negotiations.
      2. tilix
        tilix 13 May 2016 09: 04
        +5

        Ross was Under Secretary of State for the Clinton Democratic Administration.
        But before that was
        Director of Policy Planning in the State Department under President George HW Bush
        So it is ambiguous.
        1. Knizhnik
          Knizhnik 13 May 2016 09: 31
          0
          It's like in the movie "Fatal Instinct": "She is my sister (hit) and your wife (hit) at the same time!"
  • poma
    poma 13 May 2016 07: 07
    0
    "The struggle for leadership in the region" is an endless process. Without beginning and without end. The principles which should be adhered to are important and then, strategically, we will win.
  • lotar
    lotar 13 May 2016 07: 17
    +2
    For Americans, the president does not have full power, he also has to maneuver between different groups of forces pursuing different goals, as in other countries. For example, it is beneficial for some to keep some regions of Asia and the East burning without ceasing, while others are not so profitable since it affects their material, financial and other resources. And it is not surprising that many of their politicians are unaware or unwilling to know the illegal actions of the United States.
  • zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 13 May 2016 07: 17
    +1
    “They know that Russians are not a factor of stability; they expect the United States to play this role, ”the author writes.

    The analyst finds such hopes “strange” because Obama has expressed a clear reluctance to impose American will in the region. And many of the traditional partners of the United States have already learned: perhaps they will have to rely only on themselves. Yes, and how to hope for Washington, if there are some "red lines", and then forget about them?

    Comments are still needed ???
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 13 May 2016 07: 23
    +2
    I remember how Russia preferred America to Iran and imposed sanctions against Iran. More recently it was.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 13 May 2016 07: 34
    +1
    Whom and how has the United States recently supported in the East? Apart from the military pressure on the countries producing oil and gas (the shale product was losing market prospects), apart from bringing confusion and chaos, nothing was done either in the military or in the political sense. Dead end. They know how to count money, human losses hurt the prestige of the government, it remains to rake in the heat with the wrong hands - terrorists of various kinds, including "moderate" ones.
  • dobrik10
    dobrik10 13 May 2016 08: 11
    0
    That the Saudis that the rest are simply reinsured, the question of survival ...
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 13 May 2016 08: 22
    +1
    "... However, the leaders of the Middle Eastern states fly to 'isolated' Moscow, and not to Washington, which was previously considered the world 'hegemon'. Why?"

    For various reasons, negotiations between the Russian Federation and Qatar concerned the freezing of oil production, but it didn’t lead to anything, nobody needs it, nobody wants to lose market share, Israel discussed security issues for its air forces, Assad, well, Assad himself has nothing to offer it can’t, they could offer him an honorable resignation, but he refused, Iran, there could be trade issues, the main product, like the rest of the world, is hydrocarbons, it was stated that Iran would double oil production, in general, no one can offer anything yet
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 13 May 2016 09: 06
      +1
      Quote: sa-ag
      Iran, there could be trade issues, the main product, like the rest of the world, is hydrocarbons, it was stated that Iran would double oil production, in general, no one can offer anything yet
      in fact, Iran, in addition to the old contract for the S-300, didn’t order anything from us anymore - it rolled with the same superjets in favor of airbuses. so all this is beautiful talk about politics, but there is no real result. Even with oil production everyone rolled together.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 13 May 2016 09: 14
        +1
        didn't order us anymore - ride with the same superjets
        On this site I constantly read about genius in foreign policy, but this article shows that there is no person in Russia concerned about the interests of the country. Because under liberalism, you can talk about partners as much as you like. but any country also needs allies.
      2. 34 region
        34 region 13 May 2016 10: 09
        0
        Stirbjorn! 09.06. Maybe I'm wrong. But the conditions for lifting sanctions from Iran provided for the purchase of hundreds of imported aircraft. So the sanctions were not just lifted there. And buying hundreds of planes is a good investment in the economy. Plus they were allowed to trade oil. So the release of Iranian oil to the market is unlikely to raise its price. And the budget of Russia does not include a certain amount from oil exports. And again the question arises. Why keep money with a neighbor who is constantly on the knives? Tomorrow he will impose sanctions, arrest your accounts and you will sing with happiness! That’s her policy.
  • bovig
    bovig 13 May 2016 08: 34
    +1
    The analyst believes that attitude is more important than just power. Russia in the region today is perceived as a state that wants to influence the balance of power in the region. But the United States, alas, is not capable of playing such a role.

    The East is a delicate matter ... And after the collapse of the USSR, American policy became thick-skinned and die-hard - they are betting on "strength." However, over the past three hundred years, no one has yet conquered Afghanistan by force - what to say about the entire Middle East? The "exceptional" cannot understand and master this, even the author (despite more or less sensible reasoning), contrary to his reasoning, still relies on "strength."
    1. 34 region
      34 region 13 May 2016 10: 28
      0
      Bowig! 08.34. And why Afghanistan must be conquered by all means? Capitalism is the dictatorship of a small number of the rich over the mass of the poor. And no one is going to make them rich. This applies to both individual citizens and countries. They specifically drive BV in the Middle Ages. And having driven, crocodile tears begin to pour over the backwardness of these peoples. Likewise, our oligarchs will not raise the standard of living of the people. Raise the standard of living, this is the cost of salaries will increase, but their means will decrease. Accidentally in Afghanistan poppy crops increased? Or do Americans not control drug trafficking and the movement of money? Do not use money from drugs in their operations? After all, with this money it’s convenient to finance something, and they are not from the US budget. So Afghanistan has long been conquered. This is a completely different war. But the goal has been achieved. The enemy’s economy is broken. And this is the most important thing in any war.
  • Blondy
    Blondy 13 May 2016 08: 37
    +4
    Yes, they did not prefer anyone. They respond to the current situation and spin to their advantage. Now they believe that for their interests it is now more profitable for them to deal with Russia, and they have already gotten a mess with terrorists and the results of the overthrow of the objectionable arranged by the Americans in their region. In two or three years, everything can change, since some, for example, Qatar, have long-term interests (oil pipeline) that contradict the interests of Russia.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 13 May 2016 10: 38
      0
      Blondie! 08.37. Their situation is far from simple. Seek help from Russia? For what help? Send troops? Let's say. Then the United States will announce a violation of their human rights, illegal activities and stupidly arrest their grandmothers. And the sultan will immediately become a Bedouin. Therefore, they need to be both a slippery snake and a propeller at the same time.
  • Private27
    Private27 13 May 2016 08: 58
    +2
    Quote: Gardamir
    I remember how Russia preferred America to Iran and imposed sanctions against Iran. More recently it was.

    And before that, Libya. And there were dozens of lards of Russian interests there. We remember who did it! Unfinished Mendel 3,14ljhfc! am
  • Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 13 May 2016 10: 28
    +2
    Ross's article is full of contradictions, which is simply unacceptable for a specialist of this level.

    1. The author is allegedly worried about the decline in US prestige in the Middle East region. What is it expressed in? It turns out that they began to consult with Putin more (despite the international isolation organized by the USA). Immediately stipulating that the US military potential in the Middle East is higher than that of the Russian Federation, he nevertheless explains the decline in their authority in the region by their unwillingness (!) To use force. In fact, they did not stop using force there. In fact, it's all about efficiency. Plus, the very fact that someone dared to openly oppose the United States and save Syria from undoubted destruction.
    2. "Ungrateful" Arabs and Israelis no longer bow to someone to solve their problems. Reason - see above. In fact, it's a little more complicated here. After all, the Obama administration has to maneuver between the interests of other countries, which have very different attitudes towards both. There is an integral system of interrelated interests, if you touch something wrong in one place, everything rattles. Plus the lame duck period, no concrete action.
    3. The rise of ISIS he associates with Obama's indecision in the use of military force. When and at whose expense ISIS rose, we know very well. Then the United States did not fight at all, to put it mildly. And only when ISIS grew to unexpected sizes, they paid attention.
    4. Obama's weakness, according to Ross, is that he calls Putin in order to influence Assad. Of course, Assad was "written off". In fact, given the fact that everyone except the Russian Federation has stopped communicating with Assad, there is nothing shameful here, in world practice it is a common case.
    5. Ross points to a loss of position among Arab oil demonarchies. But he himself explains this by flirting with Iran. So how do you want to promote Iran so that it floods the market with oil, balances the Sunnis, and at the same time so that its detractors are not offended? And to eat a fish, and not to sit on a peg?

    In conclusion, Ross mentions how the entire Middle East is waiting, not waiting for a new "strong" administration in the United States. Sweet ... Nothing, objective reality, it is sobering.
    But in every paragraph Putin is remembered. Expressions are harder than what is written in VO. In general, it seems that the article was written in a state of rage. To some, it replaces inspiration.
  • Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 13 May 2016 13: 46
    0
    Today in the Middle East, neither Arabs nor Jews seek support from US President Obama ... Why?

    Because the Truth is on our side.
  • 1536
    1536 13 May 2016 19: 41
    +1
    You shouldn't talk to Obama, Hillary or Trump. These clowns are just a screen behind which the people truly ruling the United States stand. And they announced a bikot to us! And, alas, there is no one to break through this bikot, and there is nothing. Perhaps the Middle Eastern leaders are performing some mediating functions, or perhaps they are simply persuading Putin to leave Syria, or to separate Crimea again in exchange for lifting sanctions and implementing the status quo.
    It seems to me that one should hold on, no matter what the cost of the positions that are now won. And to make sure that Hillary, who is likely to be president, was not able to start a war in Syria against us, supporting the terrorists. This is within our power, as Americans are afraid of fire like answers on their territory and interests. Well, and finally deal with the enemies inside Russia.
  • dojjdik
    dojjdik 13 May 2016 20: 00
    0
    the Jews were angry that we stood up for Assad-et well; well, because Iranian Hezbollah remained next to Israel and Iranian oil cannot be robbed like Iraqi for example; therefore, Israeli Jews have now hung with a stone on the neck of American Jews — they will have to throw more and more grandmothers at this worthless Israel which consists of two towns; denationalization of Iranian oil failed
  • kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 14 May 2016 12: 05
    0
    Quote: seren
    and Obama would return Alaska

    tempting .. tempting. Worth thinking.
  • dr. sem
    dr. sem 14 May 2016 17: 20
    -3
    not useless for the country's patriots ...
  • Mentat
    Mentat 15 May 2016 01: 16
    +1
    Quote: Region 34
    So elf politics

    No need to repeat this intentional introduction of the negative. The vulgarization, attributing the dirty to some kind of clean idea always plays a role in destruction. It was for this purpose that, as they say now, “meme”, “evil elves” were abandoned. Good demons, vampire friends, positive monsters, killer maniacs on the board - from the same series. All this is pumped into the media space to blur the boundaries of landmarks primarily for children.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 15 May 2016 01: 49
    +1
    Quote: dr. sem
    not useless for the country's patriots ...


    It is useful to look at the expression on the face of the host.
    You can see a wide range of negative internal conditions. Interesting material for a psychologist. You can even write an article about opposition media and personality types.

    Even an untrained person can see what is written on this face.
    You can give this image to a good psychologist for analysis, let him tell you about the inner world of the opposition.

    So yes, it’s useful for a patriot to look at the faces of the “opposition media”.
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem 15 May 2016 17: 14
      -1
      When there are no arguments, they switch to personalities and physiognomy. Reception of ghouls of breeches.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 16 May 2016 04: 52
    0
    Quote: dr. sem
    When there are no arguments, they switch to personalities and physiognomy. Reception of ghouls of breeches.

    According to your vocabulary, you can clearly see whose you will be, the "forces of good" and a constructive dialogue from you.

    In this video, the words are heard, but the desire to do good is not visible.
    From the basics of psychology: the information flow of speech consists of a text message by only ~ 30%. Mimicry here very eloquently tells what the opposition wants. So about the lack of arguments - you're in vain.

    And you will turn to a psychologist, he will tell you interesting things from this picture.