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Retirement age officials will increase from next year

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The State Duma approved in the last reading a bill "on raising the retirement age for public servants," reports RIA News.


Retirement age officials will increase from next year


The agency explains that "officials and the military do not receive an old-age insurance pension, but a state retirement pension."

The new law "provides for a phased increase in the minimum civil service experience, giving the right to a pension for years of service," explains the publication.

It is noted that "the law establishes uniform conditions for the provision of pensions for municipal, federal state and civil servants of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, while the retirement age for male civil servants will gradually increase to 65 years, and for women to 63 years."

It is assumed that the regulation adopted by the State Duma will reduce the expenses of the Pension Fund by 622 million rubles.

The law must still be approved by the Federation Council and signed by the president. If these procedures are successfully completed, the document will enter into force on January 1 2017.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 12 May 2016 09: 15
    +18
    It can be extended to 75 years, or better in general, as in the USSR, when officials, including those from the Kremlin, were escorted to retire upside down.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 12 May 2016 09: 21
      +11
      And so they have a blue dream.
      1. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 12 May 2016 09: 28
        +15
        You can do anything, the main thing is then not to be responsible for what you did! To increase the retirement age despite the fact that after 50 years of finding a job is not realistic, it is wise. The soldiers do not care about the front, they live according to a quote from the film Gaidai: “To live is good, but to live well is even better!” stop
        1. mihasik
          mihasik 12 May 2016 10: 00
          +4
          Quote: Major Yurik
          You can do anything, the main thing is then not to be responsible for what you did!

          Yes, it's okay, the transfer of arrows was canceled, and if people are very indignant, they will cancel. And it does not matter what comparable sums will be spent on enforcing the law, the "milking herd" will not go anywhere). If Th - new extortions will come up, Russians, they are patient. So why be afraid?
          1. volot-voin
            volot-voin 12 May 2016 10: 05
            +10
            Quote: mihasik
            Yes, it’s okay, the translation of the arrows was canceled, and that is, if the people are very indignant, they will be canceled.

            It would be better if the struggle against gray salaries was carried out, and pension money would have appeared. Terrible hypocrisy is forcing people to work until 65, when many do not live to see this age.
            1. mihasik
              mihasik 12 May 2016 10: 12
              +2
              Quote: volot-voin
              Terrible hypocrisy is forcing people to work until 65, when many do not live to see this age.

              And who excuse this in translation from folk slang, cares? We have liberal capitalism if Che.
          2. Sergey-8848
            Sergey-8848 12 May 2016 10: 22
            +3
            The arrows were transferred back and forth five or six times, and each time there were experts explaining to us, the ignoramuses, that this would only bring about universal happiness and the comfort of the air. Moreover, the experts were the same. And it seems that when the sovereign of time had calmed down and sent to lead the ministers, it seemed that everything was enough. So no, this year is the seventh episode.
            1. mihasik
              mihasik 12 May 2016 12: 31
              +1
              Quote: Sergey-8848
              The arrows were transferred back and forth five or six times, and each time there were experts explaining to us, the ignoramuses, that this would only bring about universal happiness and the comfort of the air. Moreover, the experts were the same. And it seems that when the sovereign of time had calmed down and sent to lead the ministers, it seemed that everything was enough. So no, this year is the seventh episode.

              Here, here!))) The hands itch, and the head does not find them worthy of use)).
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 12 May 2016 09: 29
        +3
        Quote: NordUral
        And so they have a blue dream.

        for a "salary" of half a lem, they will remain in the form of mummies ...
        1. Manul
          Manul 12 May 2016 13: 05
          0
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          for a "salary" of half a lem, they will remain in the form of mummies ...

          And do you know a lot of officials with such a salary? Most of them are ordinary people. They are playing on the people 's implanted envy of the "rich", so that later we can raise the retirement age - officials have been raised. For the most part, officials are ordinary normal people, and only one or two percent live well on bribes. The rest work for quite a moderate salary.
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 12 May 2016 11: 32
        +1
        Well, what can I say ...
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 12 May 2016 09: 25
      +13
      "The retirement age for officials will be raised from next year" laughing
      It’s supposedly ready to inspire the masses for lifelong labor exploits by personal example laughing Bullshit. Now, what would a gray city cardinal pick out from his office, you need to take shovels of a pickaxe crowbar and a coffin for him? And a team of indifferent citizens to follow him into the office.?
    3. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 12 May 2016 09: 27
      +5
      Actually, Alexander’s dream came true among the prokhendeys. Now all this drunkard cannot be uprooted with a tractor.
    4. nicolay338
      nicolay338 12 May 2016 09: 34
      +5
      Nothing funny. It is mainly about people who work, spend their nerves, strength. Their bosses are hammering no less, and maybe more than yours, although they get real pennies. And those about whom you wrote in your post, a very small proportion of the total mass of bureaucrats.
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      2. Pereira
        Pereira 12 May 2016 10: 43
        +1
        Small, not small, but the law is written for them.
        1. nicolay338
          nicolay338 12 May 2016 11: 05
          0
          Who benefits is another question.
        2. dauria
          dauria 12 May 2016 11: 37
          +1
          but the law is written for them.


          The law is written with the expectation of a future increase for all.
      3. Saffron
        Saffron 12 May 2016 13: 35
        +1
        I just wanted to write a point of view as an official who sits buried in papers, reports and other heresies all day (and sometimes nights and weekends), which must be sent to higher authorities and other, including supervisory authorities, for a day I make up about 10 letters , requests, a minimum of 1 report or a summary of information about the institution’s activities, I’m participating in about 2 meetings, and there’s simply no time for real work (this is for those who say that officials do not do anything for the population, now you understand how much paper they produce) and all this is always urgent, on the nerves and for a salary of 20-23 tr (for information, my wife is a seller of chocolates in the market 27-30 tr brings home), the authorities yes, receives 2-3 times more and sometimes forgets to remove it from the card. And officials are bribe-takers only 1 out of 100, those who make decisions about where to let the money go, so you don’t have to scratch everyone under a common comb, then scratch these 1 out of 100 ...
    5. svp67
      svp67 12 May 2016 09: 43
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      It can be extended to 75 years, or better in general, as in the USSR, when officials, including those from the Kremlin, were escorted to retire upside down.

      At such a pace, I mean Ulyukaev’s proposal not to raise a couple of years of salaries and pensions, we will live to see this. Well, if they care so much about the budget, then they might cut civil servants, and there are not very many salaries and pensions, this would be a more significant contribution to reducing budget spending.
      1. mihasik
        mihasik 12 May 2016 12: 34
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Well, if they care so much about the budget, then they might cut civil servants, and there are not very many salaries and pensions, this would be a more significant contribution to reducing budget spending.

        You sho! Do not touch the sacred!)
    6. Maksus
      Maksus 12 May 2016 09: 50
      +7
      And he also allowed to transfer his seat by inheritance and that’s it, life was a success.
      1. sdc_alex
        sdc_alex 12 May 2016 12: 23
        +2
        Duc already ...
        Warm ranks are inherited and transmitted. No other way.
      2. Bath
        Bath 12 May 2016 17: 22
        0
        Damn, move me to the State Duma deputies is ready to work until 90) ___)))
    7. Evgeny RS
      Evgeny RS 12 May 2016 10: 08
      +1
      Yes, guaranteed work and good salary up to 65 years.
      1. svp67
        svp67 12 May 2016 10: 49
        +2
        Quote: Eugene RS
        Yes, guaranteed work and good salary up to 65 years.

        And the pension is 100%, the worse it is ...
    8. 149GB
      149GB 12 May 2016 10: 20
      +1
      That's for sure, the pancake is being mocked at us openly (((These bureaucrats are just kicked forward and pulled out from the feeder! Isn’t it even funny, are these junkies there at all fed up with bromine? hump.
    9. xBoris
      xBoris 12 May 2016 13: 37
      0
      .. for life ..!

      Pay attention - what things began to hold the stamp of the eagle on the flag and coins ..?
  2. Yak-15
    Yak-15 12 May 2016 09: 17
    +1
    Yes, they can work there right up to the tombstone. Unworked. The only thing to do is to exert much effort, you can’t argue, it’s the question of where and how to steal.
    1. Renat
      Renat 12 May 2016 09: 46
      +9
      Along the way to the tombstone we will have to work. There is a systematic preparation of the people for the fact that the hard worker will also increase the retirement age. Oh, I'm afraid I won’t hold out ...
      1. mihasik
        mihasik 12 May 2016 10: 04
        -1
        Quote: Renat
        Along the way to the tombstone we will have to work. There is a systematic preparation of the people for the fact that the hard worker will also increase the retirement age. Oh, I'm afraid I won’t hold out ...

        Can you reach the fall? And there are elections to the State Duma ... As they say: and the flag in hand).
        1. Manul
          Manul 12 May 2016 13: 10
          0
          Quote: mihasik
          Can you reach the fall? And there are elections to the State Duma ... As they say: and the flag in hand).

          If this is accepted by the top, then no election promises of any deputy will affect anything. Only a general outrage of the minds can prevent something.
          1. mihasik
            mihasik 12 May 2016 13: 26
            0
            Quote: Manul
            If this is accepted by the top, then no election promises of any deputy will affect anything. Only a general outrage of the minds can prevent something.

            I laugh of course.
            But if, in fact, the article clearly says that: "The law must still be approved by the Federation Council and signed by the president." But they will approve - another question. It seems to me that such "news" is specially launched in order to probe the mood and opinion of the population on the actions of certain power structures. After all, if you listen to them individually, it turns out like in Krylov's Fable: Swan, Cancer and Pike.
  3. BARKAS
    BARKAS 12 May 2016 09: 17
    +1
    Do officials live longer or do they want to live longer?
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 12 May 2016 09: 21
      +3
      They want to live longer and even better.
    2. Andrey K
      Andrey K 12 May 2016 09: 25
      +8
      It turns out that if the Duma receives a salary of 400 tr with a tail of hazel grouse and would like to receive further, but are limited by the retirement age request
      By adopting this law, they guarantee themselves the receipt of this money, another 5 years request
      From there, you can’t see that with a pension of about 10 tr. for any you will look for a side job, so that besides the rent, there’s also enough oil for a piece of bread what
  4. atamankko
    atamankko 12 May 2016 09: 19
    +1
    Salaries to officials to reduce, there will be more benefit.
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 12 May 2016 10: 28
      +2
      Quote: atamankko
      Salaries to officials to reduce, there will be more benefit.

      They will then have a headache where the "babosov" will hack, and not think about the affairs of the sovereign).
  5. NordUral
    NordUral 12 May 2016 09: 20
    +3
    Duck, they are already ready to "serve" the Fatherland (in their understanding) to the grave. You can't tear it off by force.
    1. Yak-15
      Yak-15 12 May 2016 09: 22
      -1
      Well, what are you really on them. This is after all the servants of the people))))
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  6. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 12 May 2016 09: 22
    +5
    Naturally, it is profitable for officials "sitting in armchairs" to wipe their pants in armchairs and transfer papers from one folder to another until the "grave board" - and the salary will grow over the years of service. But here, the trouble is, there are also "employees" who have to really work with their hands and feet, so they will not be at all sweet. But that's not all. Thus, in Russia, a campaign has begun to raise the retirement age for all categories of citizens, according to the principle of "divide and rule": first, government officials and employees, then employees of state enterprises, then everyone else.
  7. guzik007
    guzik007 12 May 2016 09: 22
    +6
    Wow! And so they don’t shine with their minds, and here you go into the Pension, and there the senile jumble their jaws, put their hands in the city hall-sand along the corridors: =)
    What are they thinking about? about a warm place in the ass to death, but not about development. An old official, a dead official, ballast with thoughts of dachas and seedlings. Why then institutions under presidents? secretaries with "what do you want" to cook?
    Marasmic convulsions of apoplexy government.
  8. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 12 May 2016 09: 23
    +5
    Surely then there will be talk that officials are "processing" and nothing. !
    1. Yak-15
      Yak-15 12 May 2016 09: 36
      +2
      Exactly! That will be so!
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  9. gispanec
    gispanec 12 May 2016 09: 25
    +3
    soon we too .... people .... will increase ((... a year later, after the bureaucrats ... these leeches should have introduced a threshold of 55 years and forced to retire ....
  10. Altona
    Altona 12 May 2016 09: 34
    +12
    In fact, the law will later be applied to all citizens, because the pension "funded" reform has failed. We do not have high-income jobs. Therefore, there is nothing to save from. And what "accumulates" is eaten up by inflation. We actually went along the Chinese path, that is, to make a person survive in old age himself. "To throw off the budget" most of the retirees. Then why nafig need such a budget? In general, the pension fund is an off-budget organization. In general, another dead end of liberal reforms. Here the Ministry of Economic Development proposes to "freeze" the growth of wages, and then supposedly "with the future growth of the economy" (where will it come from?) I do not believe in the predatory experiments of the liberals. Under Kudrin, by the way, the oil revenues were filled to compensate for pensions, by the way, and then it was made a "public welfare fund" and sent to completely different purposes. As for the officials, the top-ranking officials last year raised their salaries by the real amount of inflation - these are the President, the Prime Minister, the presidential administration, the Duma. So they are doing well. Well, to work extra 5 years for them is just a pleasure, there are also "talented in business" wives. Okay, I can write a whole article. This attitude towards people is already infuriating.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 12 May 2016 10: 54
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      ... "To throw off the budget" most of the retirees.

      Alas, where to go if a person is 50+, everywhere there is a "young, friendly team", except perhaps to become an employer for oneself, a kind of artel "Liberated tinker" :-)
      1. Altona
        Altona 12 May 2016 17: 23
        0
        Quote: sa-ag
        Alas, where to go if a person is 50+, everywhere there is a "young, friendly team", except perhaps to become an employer for oneself, a kind of artel "Liberated tinker" :-)

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        For some reason they don’t take me at 47, though in my hometown. I cannot leave yet, my parents are ill. In the news I read "The Ministry of Labor discusses the introduction of a tax on parasitism." That is, a progressive tax scale for the rich is not even considered. Something fabulous in its madness idea. In the USSR, such a tax was justified because there were no problems with employment and salaries did not differ much. In our time of widespread unemployment in medium and small towns it is a utopia to introduce such taxes. And taxes are paid on income. And with the "unemployed" on Maybach, let the drug control investigate or look for apartments that they rent out on the quiet. In general, such things. And how will such a tax be administered? Well, I’ll go back to register for unemployment, whoever opens up a sole proprietor and will draw zeros there. In general, insanity on insanity. Are they specifically teasing citizens?
  11. In..
    In.. 12 May 2016 09: 34
    +2
    To solder them .. all ..
  12. Million
    Million 12 May 2016 09: 38
    +2
    They don’t want to excommunicate themselves from the feeder. If for officials raising the retirement age is a joy, then for ordinary people it’s sad.
  13. Alex66
    Alex66 12 May 2016 09: 47
    +1
    Well what can I say: "From a black sheep, even a tuft of wool." Still, the size of the maximum pension should be limited so that they do not break away from the people, otherwise they do not know how they live 10000 rubles.
  14. uhu189
    uhu189 12 May 2016 09: 49
    +5
    It is actually very bad that the law passed the first reading. Firstly, this law applies not only to top-level officials, but also to ordinary state officials. employees, and there salaries are such that one cannot look without crying, even here in St. Petersburg (if you are interested, look for yourself on the job sites in the civil service). And secondly, later, hiding behind the fact that the state. the retirement age has been raised for employees - they will raise it to all other categories of citizens, with the words - "Why are you worse than officials?"
    I look at the topic of compensating for miscalculations and the incompetent economic policy of the authorities at the expense of ordinary people. It is gaining momentum more and more - the farther - the more they try to fill the budget at the expense of people ...
    1. Altona
      Altona 12 May 2016 10: 08
      +1
      Quote: uhu189
      I look at the topic of compensating for miscalculations and the incompetent economic policy of the authorities at the expense of ordinary people. It is gaining momentum more and more - the farther - the more they try to fill the budget at the expense of people ...

      -----------------
      Mikhail Delyagin correctly noted that "they do not invest in the robbed." The government will dry up the economy with such measures. Demand will fall. And with the falling demand, who will increase production?
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 12 May 2016 21: 23
      0
      And at the same time, after reading the words about the method of compensating for the miscalculations, the recent exposure of the western rich who do not pay any taxes due to fraud comes to mind! Everywhere all the burdens on people.
  15. askort154
    askort154 12 May 2016 09: 49
    +5
    It is more logical to reduce pension costs for officials not by an age censor, but by paying them a pension for
    common grounds. Now they are assigned a pension of 75% of the average earnings, but this is not advertised, but is deliberately hushed up. Therefore, raising the retirement age for officials is cheap public relations power.
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 12 May 2016 11: 19
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      Therefore, raising the retirement age for officials is cheap public relations power

      But what about ordinary civil servants? They do not accrue 75% of their earnings upon retirement, and they are much more than elitists with large salaries.
      This law seems to me to lead to the squeezing of the able-bodied population into private structures, since in the public sector people are also being reduced, departments, the responsibilities of those who have been reduced are allocated to the remaining, i.e. the volume of work increases, and salaries remain the same, while additional bonuses are cut in the form of bonuses. Add to this the increase in retirement, plus devaluation and inflation. Beauty looms).
      I know firsthand, my wife worked at customs - "cut" of her own free will.
  16. techie
    techie 12 May 2016 09: 57
    +1
    It is not clear whether to put a plus or minus in this article. On the one hand, everything is written as it is. On the other hand, this is yet another anti-people movement of our liberal government. Check for lice and another attempt to find a solution to all problems in the pockets of the population. I won’t put anything.
  17. CONTROL
    CONTROL 12 May 2016 10: 01
    +2
    Does the article mention "saving Pension Fund expenses"? ... With an increase in costs from the "wage funds" (read - the budget) for shock work "for the good" ...
    ----
    There is little to do - to extend this "experience" to working pensioners: pensioner? do you get a salary? but the pension - while you work - we will give you a deposit, when you don’t work - then you will get it! It’s PF saving! And without raising the retirement age!
    ----
    It seems that such a bill is already "ticking" ...
  18. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 12 May 2016 10: 06
    +3
    What is 622 million on a Russian scale ?! They need to make their salaries more moderate, and it would also be nice to introduce a system of fines for miscalculations in the service, and the amounts from these fines should be sent to a pension fund.
  19. 149GB
    149GB 12 May 2016 10: 21
    +1
    I already hear the animal roar of offended officials. All of us will be filled with tears!
  20. GUKTU
    GUKTU 12 May 2016 10: 23
    0
    They don’t take care of themselves at all ... They all think about the people ... There is no work! Work is inherited))))
  21. X Y Z
    X Y Z 12 May 2016 10: 27
    +1
    Absolutely pointless event in terms of cost savings. Economists have long proved that raising the retirement age alone will not solve the Pension Fund's problems in the long term. This will only postpone their decision for 3-4 years and that's it. Along with increasing age, it is necessary to move to a progressive scale of taxation, which government liberals categorically do not want to do. For them, this is a complete heresy and the collapse of the "raspberry" they created. All problems, in their opinion, should be solved at the expense of the low-income population. The screams that all the rich will scatter and will not pay are not convincing and are intended for naive people.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 12 May 2016 10: 54
      0
      Quote: XYZ
      Absolutely meaningless measure in terms of cost savings.

      But after a while, the retirement age will be raised for everyone else! They will say - see how "responsible comrades" plow and do not complain? That's how everyone needs it! wink
  22. uskrabut
    uskrabut 12 May 2016 10: 48
    0
    And who are our deputies after that? Certainly not the people's representatives, rather FOREIGN.
    If they wanted to save the budget of the pension fund, then another proposal should be made - not to pay pensions to working pensioners in the civil service, but to make the salaries and pensions "with a human face" so that there is enough for life.
    So much for the savings will be the rotation of personnel and the reduction of unemployment.
    And it turns out that a civil servant receives normal money only by continuing to work while retired. And this is disgusting, gentlemen deputies.

    ideas Information for consideration: the salary of federal civil servants depends on the population in the territory where the office is located. Question: WHAT SHOULD THE EMPLOYEE SHOULD DO?
  23. Muvka
    Muvka 12 May 2016 10: 49
    +1
    Do not throw minuses, I do not understand why women and men are not equalized at the retirement age? They live much longer than us, and they do not work as loaders. They are fighting for equality.
  24. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 12 May 2016 10: 57
    0
    Retirement age officials will increase from next year

    Well, of course: pensions are not as big as salaries, but what difference does it make to officials where to wipe their pants - at home or at "work"?
  25. SAA
    SAA 12 May 2016 11: 01
    0
    Previously, they were escorted to retirement only "forward with their feet", and now, even after death, they will be on the lists.
  26. sa-ag
    sa-ag 12 May 2016 11: 12
    0
    "They didn't fit into the market" (C) Chubais in my opinion, coincidences of course :-)
  27. iouris
    iouris 12 May 2016 11: 23
    0
    These trusted officials will sit in their seats until the very end. Looks like the end is near.
  28. CORNET
    CORNET 12 May 2016 11: 39
    0
    I will not survive along the way .... So even if they increase to 100 years ... am
  29. T62
    T62 12 May 2016 12: 11
    0
    Themselves are already stealing by the billions, but here they were "led" to some 622 million.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 May 2016 12: 25
      +1
      Leonid Simonovsky 2015, 907 million rubles, Nikolai Burusov 2 million rubles, Alexander Krotov 799,4 million rubles, so the guys earned more than one hundred pensions and still earned more than one hundred pensions for 415,3 in United Russia their grandchildren and sons of grandchildren to a comfortable existence will remain.
  30. T62
    T62 12 May 2016 12: 21
    0
    I will now see who voted against this law, and I will vote for those.
    1. Kachesgm
      Kachesgm 12 May 2016 13: 02
      0
      And the guys from United Russia voted for the law, because Just Russia refused to participate in the discussion of the law and its adoption because of its projection on the entire population of the country. Like this...
  31. Thompson
    Thompson 12 May 2016 12: 56
    0
    Not sickly, they disguised their desire to "work" hard until old age, so God forbid they were asked from there because of old age
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 12 May 2016 15: 21
      0
      Quote: Thompson
      Not sickly, they disguised their desire to "work" hard to a ripe old age,
  32. 31rus2
    31rus2 12 May 2016 13: 20
    +1
    Dear, this applies to everyone, not just officials, raise the retirement age, freeze salaries, gradually switch to "pay for everything", pay the same for each product separately, prices are poorly controlled, so calculate your life expectancy yourself
  33. xBoris
    xBoris 12 May 2016 13: 36
    0
    ..mdaa .. This is the "nettle" tribe !!
    Do not wash, so ride.
    How to correctly lit .. !! am
    .. "there is no money in the country .. Let's raise the retirement age .." - everyone shouts ,. we won't live to see retirement ..
    And they - and we will start from ourselves .. !! Burning at work ..!
  34. Cananecat
    Cananecat 12 May 2016 15: 00
    +1
    Our opposition is not playing on that ... if they were playing on the difference between the minimum wage and the salary of deputies or on the difference in the social security of pensioners and the bureaucracy, the degree of tension would increase significantly, supporters on the periphery would be raked by no means indulge, and these stumps the king is being dripped ... odiotes in one word.))
  35. PValery53
    PValery53 12 May 2016 23: 04
    +1
    Raising the retirement age for officials and for hard workers are two completely different "things". For officials - to extend them the "pleasure" of the sinecure, the warm, cheap places. And for hard workers - to work hard, trying to achieve the long-awaited pension, so that later quickly move away to another world. One involuntarily recalls a mocking caricature of our pension system: "A.S. Pushkin died at the age of 37. What did you do for the Pension Fund ?!" - Or: "Russian citizens who have reached retirement age are considered notorious and malicious agents of the State Department. Pension Fund."
  36. nik-karata
    nik-karata 13 May 2016 11: 16
    +1
    You just need to come to the cemetery and see how many "former pensioners" are there !!! I came here just now, looked, fucking !!! 90% of those buried did not survive to retire. ... Who will tell me where is the money that they paid (deducted) for their pension throughout their life. And this money, moreover, had to be invested and make a profit !!! hi