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The order for the Varshavyanka submarine for the Pacific Fleet can be divided between two companies.

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Order for the construction of 6 submarines of project 636.3 for the Pacific fleet can be divided between the Amur plant and the Admiralty shipyards, reports TASS the report of the head of the naval shipbuilding department Vladimir Tryapichnikov.


The order for the Varshavyanka submarine for the Pacific Fleet can be divided between two companies.


“Both enterprises are ready to build ships of this class, the final decision was not made. Perhaps the series will be divided into parts and will be transferred to both enterprises ",
said Tryapichnikov.

This question is being studied now.

“The decision will be made as soon as the issue of the correspondence of the capacities and terms of the construction of these ships is worked out,” he explained.

Recall that the Navy already has 4 "Varshavyanka", serving in the Black Sea Fleet. The fifth and sixth submarines should be transferred to the Black Sea region this year.

The entire series of submarines was built at the Admiralty Shipyards (St. Petersburg).
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  1. cobalt
    cobalt 11 May 2016 17: 35
    +11
    Well, if according to the plans for each fleet put 6 of these submarines, 24 units - this is already a force.
    1. Smoked
      Smoked 11 May 2016 17: 38
      +1
      Yeah. Given that now diesels can hit with Gauges, then they need more!
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 11 May 2016 17: 50
        +7
        Here it is, our peaceful diesel love
        1. jjj
          jjj 11 May 2016 18: 29
          -1
          But, look at the scale of demand for a seemingly outdated project. In fact, we are talking about dozens of new pennants
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 11 May 2016 18: 46
            +4
            Quote: jjj
            But, look at the scale of demand for a seemingly outdated project. In fact, we are talking about dozens of new pennants


            There are only 4 calibers on these boats EMNIP. And they fly 1500 km in total, unlike surface ones. But better with them than without them, of course. As for where to build, the part must be done on the spot. Otherwise, they will never learn to build or repair.
            1. Nehist
              Nehist 12 May 2016 11: 43
              0
              If the Amur plant is not given at least part of the order, it will finally be bent, and when the boats were stamped like pies
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 11 May 2016 20: 27
            +2
            Quote: jjj
            But, look at the scale of demand for a seemingly outdated project. In fact, we are talking about dozens of new pennants

            it didn’t work out with new projects, so you have to update the fleet according to the old ones .. now you can only take a breath
            1. 73bor
              73bor 11 May 2016 22: 53
              +2
              Only they have nothing in common with the old ones, and one must sigh about something else, the "Amur Plant" is unlikely to build its boats on time!
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 11 May 2016 17: 41
      +11
      An order for the construction of 6 submarines of the 636.3 project for the Pacific Fleet can be divided between Amur plant and Admiralty shipyards


      I have one desire to land assault Chekists in leather coats with revolvers at the Amur plant? Why is it necessary to share what is being done next to the TF? Can not get in time? The reason is what? Corruption? Maybe it's time to write a scientific paper, how does the difference in time zones affect the quality of production and construction !? Why do we hear about the problems of shipyards in the Far East every year?
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 11 May 2016 17: 55
        0
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        What is the reason?

        The load is large, as for the Admiralty shipyards, they build Varshavyanka for export in the same way. At the Amur plant, it seems that nuclear submarines Schuka-B and Antei are being repaired and modernized (I could be wrong).
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 11 May 2016 19: 20
          0
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          repair and upgrade atomic submarines Schuka-B

          Not in the north, Asterisk next to Sevmash.
        2. rudolff
          rudolff 11 May 2016 19: 41
          +2
          On Amur built. The penultimate Nerpa / Chakra of project 971 in leasing, the last Irbis head. N519 is still on the slipway. If the Indians fork out, finish building.
          1. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 11 May 2016 20: 25
            +5
            In total, over the history of its activity, the Amursky Shipyard has produced more than 300 ships and vessels for various purposes. For the Navy, 57 units of nuclear submarines, 41 units of diesel-electric submarines, 56 units of military surface ships were built
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 11 May 2016 17: 55
        +9
        Amur plant:
        a) Makes a marriage.
        b) Breaks the deadlines for years and norms.
        c) One of the most expensive, they will break the price of 30% more than SV for corvettes, for example, with even longer periods and marriage.

        That is, to order 3 boats Admiralteike - it is guaranteed to receive +/- half a year for force majeure 3 boats, at a fixed price. Plus order in Amur, but without any guarantees.

        Here is a fresh Perfect by the way in completion.
        1. Roman 11
          Roman 11 11 May 2016 20: 14
          +3
          Quote: donavi49
          c) One of the most expensive, they will break the price of 30% more than SV for corvettes, for example, with even longer periods and marriage.

          Well, I’m saying that without Maxim’s disease cannot be cured!
        2. Dionis2019
          Dionis2019 12 May 2016 06: 04
          0
          Your accusations are superficial, you can immediately see that you are far from Komsomolsk, do not forget about the economically unfavorable conditions in which the NEA is located with a 25-year break in modernization.
          As for marriage, it’s generally a sweeping accusation
      3. 1vlad19
        1vlad19 11 May 2016 18: 08
        +13
        Do you know where this plant is? Komsomolsk-on-Amur. How long was he idle? The seal stood in the shops for 3-4 years, until the Indians were pushed. There, people were cut in batches, they survived as best they could, boats were built. And now you still need to take specialists. And do not equal the center and the Far East of Russia.
        1. jjj
          jjj 11 May 2016 18: 27
          +1
          Quote: 1vlad19
          And now you still need to take specialists. And do not equal the center and the Far East of Russia.

          In Soviet times, Brigades traveled there with Sevmash. It used to be and shoveling snow on the territory. So nothing new
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 11 May 2016 23: 50
            +1
            So nothing new


            There is something new. Nowadays, Sevmash himself does not have enough people.
        2. Roman 11
          Roman 11 11 May 2016 20: 40
          +4
          Quote: 1vlad19
          And now you still need to take specialists. And do not equal the center and the Far East of Russia.

          Quote: 1vlad19

          And where did they get the specialists from space or something ...... once again we (snotty) in the Union (1988) were only 14 each, they were delivered to the machines on the very first day they appeared in production - 4 hours of theory and an hour of technical safety ....... ALL! They told us so - the rear of the front was provided by women and children.

          And here, as if in a vicious circle - nowhere in any way, it seems like people have education (they have completed the techie), but there is no experience for 5 years, everything is free. And where does he become a specialist? In the best case, this approach will change the retired for some time, in the worst the metal processing industry will shrink. In addition, innovations appear - 3D printers are different, they may even make a clue.
      4. Roman 11
        Roman 11 11 May 2016 20: 09
        +5
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Why do we hear year after year about the problems of shipyards in the Far East?

        And on Shikotan the slaves lived to a straight line with the president! Why be surprised, the further the more sabotage and the harder the money goes through - mordovorota in ties are eating not for ten, but for a hundred. Therefore, the Chekists' landing in leather raincoats should not be with the Nagans at the Amur Plant, but with Maxim laughing
      5. alexmach
        alexmach 11 May 2016 23: 46
        0
        Why do we hear year after year about the problems of shipyards in the Far East?

        Because they really are there, and the Far East is in real decline. I suppose that the plant lacks qualified personnel in any areas. And nowhere to take them.

        My father-in-law in the 80s served in ZVO, talking about what reigned there .... what kind of devastation there was.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 May 2016 22: 41
      +1
      Quote: cobalt
      Well, if according to the plans for each fleet put 6 of these submarines, 24 units - this is already a force.

      And Lada is all mumbled. And in full there is a chatter about Kalina, which they promise to plan in the near future in iron.
      Varshavyanka’s business is good, but Lada is better. And here we have a dark forest so far. I’m silent about Kalina.
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 11 May 2016 17: 37
    +3
    "The order for the Varshavyanka submarine for the TF can be divided between the two enterprises"
    Orders are money. Money is primarily in the region. Where is the factory. Although all the same, all the loot will be in Moscow laughing
    In general, the Far East needs to be developed.
    1. avt
      avt 11 May 2016 17: 48
      +5
      Quote: Observer2014
      Orders are money. Money is primarily in the region. Where is the factory. Although all the same, all the loot will be in Moscow
      In general, the Far East needs to be developed.

      An old song about the main thing, only then, like a billion in cash in a pantry on Sakhalin, or a poor, graduate of Menatep, a collection of Swiss watches ... he collects a collection of Swiss watches from Chinese copies in Syktyvkar, but of course Moscow is to blame for which they opened their offices - other states have such embassies But they just sent a trillion rubles worth of GDP to the Far East.
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 11 May 2016 17: 51
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      Orders are money. Money is primarily in the region. Where is the factory. Although all the same, all the loot will be in Moscow
      In general, the Far East needs to be developed.

      The problem is also that the Amur plant in recent years has mainly repaired and modernized submarines, and not built. Problems and delays may occur due to debugging of the production process.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 11 May 2016 17: 58
        +4
        Lt. Air Force reserve The problem is also that the Amur plant in recent years has mainly repaired and modernized submarines, and not built. Problems and delays may occur due to debugging of the production process.

        This is good, let them practice. Logistics will be worked out. Peter is far away. In the Far East, a full cycle of building ships and submarines is needed.
  3. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 11 May 2016 17: 46
    0
    Well, the speed of construction should double by half (if the Amur plant can quickly establish production of submarines).
    1. FenH
      FenH 11 May 2016 17: 53
      0
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
      Great, the speed of construction should double.

      Why all of a sudden? Suppliers of components did not seem to plan to expand and it is not a fact that there will be no supply disruptions No. Most likely decided to share orders with the Far East
      1. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 11 May 2016 20: 18
        +5
        it seems logical, given the size of the country, to produce boats (and indeed ships in general) as close as possible to the "native" fleet? and repair, and MOT are also in place, especially since there is capacity. Previously, the whole chain of suppliers was localized in the Far East - starting with steel plants, shipyards, power plants (reactors for boats were produced by the Gorky plant in Khabarovsk, diesel power plants by Daldizel), etc. Now warehouses in the territories of many factories, some of them are kept (Amurskiy Zavod, Khabarovsk Shipbuilding). And to buy diesel engines for the Navy in China ... it’s a shame even. There was such a school on Daldizel, a faculty at the Polytechnic Institute, etc.
    2. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 11 May 2016 20: 10
      +3
      It’s more likely to restore it, since the factory was engaged exclusively in repairs after the reconstruction. before that, boats were produced, incl. atomic.
  4. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 11 May 2016 18: 06
    +1
    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
    The problem is also that the Amur plant in recent years has mainly repaired and modernized submarines, and not built. Problems and delays may occur due to debugging of the production process.

    Perhaps they want to master the production of submarines at the Amur plant? So to speak "trial balloon". Otherwise, "The whole series of submarines was built at the Admiralty shipyards (SNKT-Petersburg)." The deadlines are running out, there is not enough production capacity, so they will test the ship repair as a shipbuilding one.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 11 May 2016 18: 18
      0
      Quote: LÄRZ
      The deadlines are running out, there is not enough production capacity, so they will try ship repair as a shipbuilding one.

      I really hope that the power is allocated to something else. wink
  5. 1vlad19
    1vlad19 11 May 2016 18: 19
    +3
    Quote: Observer2014
    In the Far East, a full cycle of ship and submarine construction is needed.

    He was until ruined.
    Quote: donavi49
    Amur plant:
    a) Makes a marriage.
    b) Breaks the deadlines for years and norms.
    c) One of the most expensive, they will break the price of 30% more than SV for corvettes, for example, with even longer periods and marriage.

    a) Is it judged by Nerpa?
    b) Complete nonsense.
    c) And how do you like? Here we have all the industry killed or in a pre-infarction state, it is necessary to transport at best through half the country. And do not raise the cost? The plant still needs to be restored, people have to pay, invite specialists, give them apartments, otherwise no one will go to work in the Far East.
  6. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 11 May 2016 18: 25
    0
    Look at my comment, when the question of building a submarine for KTOF just arose - this is exactly the solution I proposed! True, not all of you had it to your liking, but did "hlyuzda show the truth"? Let me remind you that export Amur-1650s were built on K-on Amur, so everything is fine with them both with personnel and with production - there would be a desire and money, and the Amur residents will not let down: "The party said" IT IS NECESSARY! ", Komsomol answered "IS" !!!
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 11 May 2016 19: 08
      +2
      Let me remind you that export "Amur - 1650" were built at K-on Amur

      M-yes ?! For your information, not a single submarine of the Amur-1650 project was built hi
  7. 1vlad19
    1vlad19 11 May 2016 18: 43
    +2
    Quote: KudrevKN
    Let me remind you that export "Amur - 1650" were built on K-on Amur,

    This is when they were built there? Last Nerpa 2009.
    1. Kudrevkn
      Kudrevkn 11 May 2016 18: 58
      -1
      In the "shitty" years, they were built with the help of slide rule and compasses, and in the "well-fed" years, the Amur residents will build - the technology and the algorithm were tested at LAO! Don't bzdi, Masha, you'll be ours!
  8. dr.star75
    dr.star75 11 May 2016 19: 00
    +1
    But is it already customary for us to take off the submarines from the screws? Recently, in my opinion, they presented English apl, so there were shutter screws.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 11 May 2016 19: 12
      +3
      And what is there to hide? Already so many Warsaw women have been exported ...
  9. air wolf
    air wolf 11 May 2016 19: 03
    +2
    I would install lithium batteries as an alternative to an air-independent power supply.
  10. bad
    bad 11 May 2016 19: 11
    +3
    The order for Varshavyanka submarines for TF can be divided between two enterprises
    ..for God’s sake .. it’s only without prejudice to defense! good
  11. Valter1364
    Valter1364 11 May 2016 19: 54
    +6
    We need to build on all shipyards of the Russian Federation.
    It is necessary to develop and modernize the entire ship and shipbuilding cluster and re-train personnel.
    There will be no orders, there will be no specialists.
    Such is simple arithmetic. yes
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 11 May 2016 20: 21
      +2
      100% for. I wonder how things are going in Big Stone (a big shipyard was being built there, for example).
    2. Roman 11
      Roman 11 11 May 2016 20: 53
      +1
      Quote: Valter1364
      We need to build on all shipyards of the Russian Federation.

      No, well, at least in the East 1 shipyard should always be kept on track! And so on each sea ..... and connect other capacities according to the situation.
      In any case, K-N-A should be the industrial center of the Far East, the rest of the production chain diverges in nearby cities and villages.
  12. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 11 May 2016 21: 18
    +1
    In B. Kamen (p. Temp, Chazhma), things are not cool yet - they are stealing! How in the East? For 5 years 6 directors have changed, and most of them have moved to "work" in Magadan! The penultimate, together with 5 "yards" of rubles, settled somewhere in Macau, or in Hong Kong? Korean partners withdrew from the consortium for the construction of a super - shipyard, the construction has practically stopped! The last "introductory" kind of like this - why do we need a super - shipyard with dry docks and a kilometer outfitting wall, better than an oil loading berth for exporting oil and gas to Asia! wait and see how this venture with the USC Far East shipbuilding division will end?
  13. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 12 May 2016 00: 59
    +2
    Pacific Fleet, not TF.
  14. Evil 55
    Evil 55 12 May 2016 05: 00
    +1
    On the remaining ONE slipway Komsomolsk will build these boats before the Second Coming .. But the plant must be lifted and it is indisputable ..
    1. 1vlad19
      1vlad19 12 May 2016 06: 05
      +2
      One slipway with 9 docks is not enough?
  15. Ros 56
    Ros 56 12 May 2016 07: 09
    0
    In general, the idea is good, to do in two factories. Firstly, they will build it twice as fast, secondly, people will have work and salaries, thirdly, they will restore their skills and gain experience.
  16. BEECH 1972
    BEECH 1972 14 May 2016 16: 33
    0
    Quote: Novel 11
    And on Shikotan the slaves lived to a straight line with the president! Why be surprised, the further the more sabotage and the harder the money goes through - mordovorota in ties are eating not for ten, but for a hundred. Therefore, the Chekists' landing in leather raincoats should not be with the Nagans at the Amur Plant, but with Maxim
    /// Then right away with "Buratina" or "Solntsepek". But you really need to put things in order. For the self-destruction mechanism launched by the liberals and other "asta" is still working.