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Eastern turn: what is he carrying to us?

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Speaking at a meeting of the Liberal Democratic Party Committee, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told party members that a real “breakthrough” is brewing on the issue of concluding a peace treaty between Japan and Russia. It is about deducing "from stagnation" the very dialogue that has been going on for a long time on the problem of the "northern territories".


Eastern turn: what is he carrying to us?


About the so-called new approach in the development of relations with Russia, it became known earlier, after the Sochi talks Shinzo Abe with the Russian leadership. This approach is simple: Japanese economic incentives in exchange for the South Kuriles.

7 May is a major site for the English version of the Japanese newspaper Nikkei He cited some details about the talks between Shinzo Abe and Vladimir Putin.

The article indicates that the Japanese Prime Minister offered the President of Russia an eight-point plan concerning the development of bilateral relations.

Shinzo Abe suggested that the Russian leader build factories in the Far East for processing liquefied gas. In addition, they discussed the construction of ports, airports, hospitals and other infrastructure facilities.

However, as it becomes clear from the material of the publication, the Land of the Rising Sun started a kind of exchange: Tokyo intends to make progress in the negotiations on the "northern territories". This is stated quite frankly: "This calls for the Northern Territories". That is, the proposed economic cooperation is based on the progress in reaching an agreement on “the islands occupied by Russia, which are called northern territories in Japan”.

Also known are the statements of officials from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan related to the new stage of negotiations, and the assessment of this stage by Putin (in the transfer of the Japanese side).

As reported in an interview Interfax The representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan Yasuhisa Kawamura, Shinzo Abe believes that he can achieve a breakthrough in negotiations with Russia.

“Prime Minister Abe said that he had a wide and frankly direct exchange of views with President Putin on the peace treaty and other issues. Prime Minister Abe said he felt he could make a breakthrough in negotiations on a peace treaty between Japan and Russia, which are in stagnation, ”said Kawamura. “As Prime Minister Abe said, President Putin has the same feeling, he also recognizes this,” the spokesman added.

“Prime Minister Abe and President Putin have agreed to use a new approach and make a breakthrough in this matter, given that future Japanese-Russian relations should be built,” Kawamura noted further.

As for the "problem of the islands", the Japanese diplomat said that the "fundamental position" of Tokyo is "the conclusion of a peace treaty."

Interfax recalls that in February 2016, the same Kawamura said: “Japan will not conclude a peace treaty with Russia until the issue of the northern territories is resolved.”

As for Moscow, she insisted that the question of the islands of the South Kuril Ridge was closed.

A “breakthrough” in negotiations with Moscow was voiced by Shinzo Abe himself, speaking at a meeting of the committee of the ruling party in Japan, the Liberal Democratic Party.

“At the talks, I felt that we would be able to bring the dialogue that had been going on all this time out of stagnation and make a real breakthrough,” the prime minister quotes. TASS.

Abe also told the party members that the negotiation process will continue actively. There will be a high-level dialogue on the problem of the “northern territories”.

TASS notes that on May 9, Secretary General of the Japanese Cabinet of Ministers Yoshihide Suga announced the “new approach”: “In order to make a breakthrough in the negotiations that have been going on so far, the leaders of the two countries have agreed on a new approach: and continue the dialogue in order to find a solution acceptable to both parties. ”

Suga also said that there is no change in the position of Japan on the South Kuriles: "First, solve the problem of the four islands, then the conclusion of a peace treaty."

Estimated by observers who leads "Russian newspaper"The visit of Shinzo Abe to Russia will contribute to the revitalization of bilateral relations.

The Japanese Prime Minister expressed hope for a meeting with the Russian President in July on the sidelines of the Asia-Europe Summit in Mongolia, in September at the G20 meeting in China and in October at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Forum. In addition, Japanese representatives are expected to attend the Eastern Economic Forum in September in Vladivostok. It is also important to note that the visit of Shinzo Abe to Russia took place immediately before the G7 meeting in Japan (to be held in May). Earlier, Barack Obama negatively reacted to the idea of ​​a trip of the Japanese leader to Russia.

As RIA News" Kazuhiko Togo (former diplomat, political analyst, authoritative expert on Russian-Japanese relations, director of the World Research Institute at the Institute of Industry in Kyoto), relations between Tokyo and Moscow have returned to the point where they were before the Ukrainian crisis.

“The relations of our countries developed very well during the first year (2013. - Note) before the Ukrainian events, but then stopped. I think both leaders wanted to bring them back to their previous level. Now, thanks to the meeting in Sochi, the relationship has returned to the point where they were before the Ukrainian crisis. I believe that in this sense it was a good meeting for both leaders. But I think that there are still many difficult tasks ahead, ”the agency quotes the expert.

Togo believes that Japan could, as a mediator, convey to the Western partners Russia's position on the Crimea and the events in Ukraine. "Russia is now under sanctions from Europe and the United States, and in this situation it is important for her to make sure that relations with Japan are developing," the expert said.

As for the “new approach”, the expert said the following about this:

“I don’t know what Abe means by the“ new approach ”to solving the island problem. It is necessary to ask him. But I think that a rough plan of compromise on the islands, a plan that I would consider a “new approach”, which we made public with the former Russian ambassador to Japan, Alexander Panov, in 2013, implies the return of Habomai and Shikotan to Japan on the 1956 Joint Declaration of the Year, and the transformation of Kunashir and Iturup into a joint special economic zone, including the legislative framework. ”


The expert clarified: “If we follow the negotiations that have led our countries so far, then, as a rule, they come to exactly this.” “In 1992, Russian Foreign Minister Andrei Kozyrev made a secret proposal on which both countries conclude a convention on the transfer of Habomai and Shikotan, and agree on negotiations on Kunashir and Iturup. After which a peace treaty is concluded. However, this formulation of the question did not suit Japan at that time, since there were no guarantees of the transfer of Kunashir and Iturup, ”the former diplomat who prepared this meeting recalled. According to Togo, a compromise would solve a territorial problem; making Kunashir and Iturup a special economic zone would enable the Russians and the Japanese to work together on the development of these territories.

International Orientalist Vladimir Zakharov finds that at the 6 meeting in May in Sochi between President Putin and Prime Minister Abe many vague and contradictory formulations were born.

“The Russian side never promised anyone to return the four South Kuril Islands of Japan, which it considers under all norms of international law its sovereign territory acquired as a result of the Second World War,” the expert writes on the website TASS.

"On the contrary, on the eve and after the negotiations in Sochi, the Japanese side sought to impose the idea that a peace treaty with Russia should be coupled with a solution to a territorial problem (such statements were made both in Japan itself for the sake of nationalist sentiment, and as Abe approaches Russia - during visits of the Japanese prime minister to Paris and London). At the same time, realizing that such a formulation of the question will not meet with understanding on the part of Moscow, the Japanese launched a version of the supposedly "new approaches of the Russian and Japanese leadership to solving the territorial problem."


According to the expert, the negotiations of the two leaders only outlined the “short-term perspective”, which will be clarified in multi-level diplomatic and technical negotiations.

The expert also points out that now Shinzo Abe is awaiting “difficult explanations with the United States,” because earlier Mr. Obama tried to insist on canceling Abe’s visit to Russia. Abe himself will have to decide on the whole front of pressure on Russia: from sanctions measures to the problems of building an anti-Russian line in East Asia and the APR right up to revising the 9 article of the Constitution of Japan.

Important, we note, for Tokyo is not only a question of attitude to the "new approach" of the United States and the West in general. The attitude to the Russian-Japanese negotiations and possible economic partnership will hardly please the Chinese, who have economic plans, strategic and geopolitical, including those related to island conflicts.

Agency Xinhua paid close attention to these issues.

The publication cites the opinion of the deputy director of the China Institute of International Studies, Ruan Zongze. He believes that Abe "failed in the development of the Japanese economy," and only because "he is trying to divert attention from domestic problems and achieve improvement and progress in foreign policy."

This expert does not agree with the opinion that Abe’s visit to Russia undermines Chinese-Russian relations: “I believe that Japan will not be able to drive a wedge between China and Russia. Indeed, recently, Sino-Russian relations have reached a new height, and they will not change due to the provocation of Shinzo Abe. After all, China and Russia are two great powers and have a strong position. ”

In addition, by his actions, Abe will cause major discontent with the United States. “Washington deeply hates Japan for privately establishing contacts with Russia for its own personal interests,” said Ruan Zongze.

Head of the School of Oriental Studies at the HSE Alexei Maslov, answering the question "Free Press"I appreciated the possible benefits of a rapprochement between Moscow and Tokyo, and also spoke about the “linking” of the territorial issue and joint economic plans.

He said that Japan’s media corporations, such as Nikkei or NHK, “trying to communicate public opinion,” assert that there is a linkage: Japan is supposedly investing in Russia, since Moscow is ready to “return” the South Kurils. In Japanese society, the idea reigns that any steps in the economy should be tied to the settlement of a territorial dispute. “Let's say the Russians would give one of the small islands of the Habomai range. And it would be a symbolic gesture that would open up the possibility of economic cooperation. ” However, Abe never spoke about this. “The position of Russia is,” the expert reminded, “that we do not link economic interaction with the territorial issue.”

The expert noted that Russia has a technological need in Japan: “In the context of sectoral sanctions, we need Japanese technology. Japan under US pressure imposed sanctions against the Russian Federation, but they practically do not affect the real interaction between the countries. Agree, the ban on opening accounts by a number of Russian politicians in Japanese banks is not serious. ” In addition, Russia "is not very comfortable living in a priority cooperation with China." After all, Moscow does not even receive from Beijing the amount of investment that it was counting on, making the “Eastern turn”. Therefore, you should "create a competitive environment." Let Japan and China compete for the Russian market, Maslov said. Finally, the expert noted in conclusion, it is difficult to deny that the interaction of Russia with Japan would mean “an image breakthrough in the field of sanctions”.

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Thus, following the results of the recent negotiations, despite the large-scale plan of eight points and the statement about the “new approach”, there is no progress, and there are no prospects too. Both sides will clearly continue to insist on their own: Moscow - that the issue of the islands of the Southern Kuril Ridge is closed, and Tokyo - on its desire to solve the issue of the "northern territories" in full. At such polar points of view, any compromise is hardly possible.

Why then so much noise in the Japanese press?

And why does China so irritably criticize the Japanese desire to cooperate with Russia?

The hype about the “new approach” Abe's cabinet kills three birds with one stone: it strengthens the party’s popularity on the eve of parliamentary elections; trying to shatter Moscow’s position on the South Kuriles at the right moment, using Russia's economic weakening due to Western sanctions and low oil prices; indirectly putting pressure on China, which turned out to be not so necessary and important (and even more so “strategic”) partner for Russia, which Moscow would like to see it. Chineses last "hare", of course, very angry.

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  1. atalef
    atalef 11 May 2016 06: 26
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    And this should be neglected, the most important thing is that the Abe party before the election wants to pick up cheap popularity.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 11 May 2016 06: 50
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      Why are you minus a man, he said everything correctly - Mr. Abe had to have a PR, he let the fog in, but nothing really has been decided. And I doubt that even autumn will be decided after the visit of the Dark One to Japan, if the Americans do not disrupt this visit either. On the other hand, there are also elections in the States, there will be no time to do stupid things.
      Putin can’t return anything from the territories to the Japanese either, people will not understand, and why do we need a precedent?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 May 2016 07: 08
        12
        Quote: inkass_98
        Why are you minus the person, he said everything correctly -

        They negate him for the flag, they think the vzryvin on the site. And he is ours, major Stirlitz, sent to the camp of the enemy
        1. atalef
          atalef 11 May 2016 07: 10
          12
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And he is ours, major Stirlitz, sent to the camp of the enemy

          Why not Colonel Barrier? wink
          Hi Sanya. hi
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 11 May 2016 07: 58
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Why not Colonel Barrier?

            Healthy hi Sanya, better agent 0.7 or 0.5 laughing
            1. cniza
              cniza 11 May 2016 08: 18
              +6
              Quote: inkass_98
              Why are you minus a man, he said everything correctly - Mr. Abe had to have a PR, he let the fog in, but nothing really has been decided. And I doubt that even autumn will be decided after the visit of the Dark One to Japan, if the Americans do not disrupt this visit either. On the other hand, there are also elections in the States, there will be no time to do stupid things.
              Putin can’t return anything from the territories to the Japanese either, people will not understand, and why do we need a precedent?


              There is a big game, the United States is without the President and Japan is killing a few birds with one stone:
              - will not receive large lyuli from the USA;
              - be promoted before the election;
              - pumps the situation on the position of Russia, which is stupidity;
              - annoy China, and suddenly there are secret protocols;
              - etc.
              1. jjj
                jjj 11 May 2016 11: 48
                +2
                And if we assume that this is Russia slowly pulling Japan into its orbit. And there, you look and the Land of the Rising Sun will be reconciled with the Celestial Empire. In general, we need a strong friendly alliance of these countries in the region, plus the Countries of Morning Freshness.
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 11 May 2016 18: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: jjj
                  strong friendly alliance
                  Here it is somehow hard to believe. And the point is not in Russia. Since ancient times, almost at the genetic level they do not like each other. As well as almost all other Asian countries. In Asia, only Russia is trying to somehow reconcile its neighbors.
                  1. Weyland
                    Weyland 11 May 2016 21: 27
                    0
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    Since ancient times, almost at the genetic level they do not like each other.


                    Sure? Where did the term "kamikaze" come from? So, after the death of Kublai's fleet, of all the warriors of the Mongol Empire who got to the Japanese coast and were captured, the Japanese spared only the Chinese, and the rest were cut clean! Before the Meiji revolution, the Chinese were in Japan with great respect!
            2. Vladimir61
              Vladimir61 11 May 2016 21: 56
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              better agent 0.7 or 0.5
              You do not need a container for draining information?
      2. Idiot
        Idiot 11 May 2016 08: 13
        +7
        I am tormented by one question when the conversation comes about the influence of the American elections on the foreign policy of the United States: where did you get the idea that in the United States, democracy and the choice of the next talking head determine anything? A US presidential candidate is elected by a gang of authorities, behind the scenes, then an order is given to the electors - this is a profession in the United States, the electors organize the victory of the specified candidate. By the way, Trump is a close friend of the Clinton family, almost a relative. I make a prediction - Clinton will win. Trump will merge with a minimal lack of "votes." American torso flutters with delight. Democracy triumphs. Lame duck Abama waddles wherever they say.
        1. PKK
          PKK 11 May 2016 18: 00
          0
          Analysts say the other is that Trump is almost crowned, and Clinton will testify for correspondence on open channels.
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      4. ruAlex
        ruAlex 11 May 2016 11: 47
        0
        From a dead donkey their ears, not islands.
        1. Mikhail m
          Mikhail m 11 May 2016 12: 09
          +3
          I have always been interested in the question: how are the ears of a dead donkey different from the ears of a living donkey if in both cases they are separated from the wearer?
        2. PKK
          PKK 11 May 2016 18: 03
          0
          And this option, Japan is becoming friendly, leaves the United States, reconciles with China, we get advanced technologies, is it all worth the islands?
          1. kuz363
            kuz363 11 May 2016 20: 38
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            Deceive necessarily. Japan, as it left the United States, may return. With China, he can quarrel again. Advanced technology then may not give. And the islands are already that - bye-bye! You will not return.
    2. SSR
      SSR 11 May 2016 06: 50
      +8
      Quote: atalef
      And this should be neglected, the most important thing is that the Abe party before the election wants to pick up cheap popularity.

      Yes, I'm afraid not, it seems to me Shinzo Abe got the time right, 1. The Japanese began to build their army (maybe to get away from the Excessive influence of the USA) 2. China has been freezing for 2 years and does not "help" the Russian Federation very much (as some expected) and stubbornly oppresses your line with the maximum benefit for yourself in the current situation
      And yes, let them drive me into the skulls with minuses for my croaking, but it seems to me that the two islands will give me away, first it will be called which thread is the zone and then it will go under the jurisdiction of the Japanese.
      He arrived at a very difficult time for Russia
      1. atalef
        atalef 11 May 2016 06: 54
        13
        Quote: SSR
        And yes, let them drive me into the skulls with minuses for my croaking, but it seems to me that the two islands will give me away, first it will be called which thread is the zone and then it will go under the jurisdiction of the Japanese.

        Someday they will come to some kind of compromise, but certainly neither now nor exactly before the re-election of GDP.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 11 May 2016 07: 18
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Someday they will come to some kind of compromise, but certainly neither now nor exactly before the re-election of GDP.

          So far, the Japanese have earned strong displeasure from the US State Department. Here's the link:
          https://lenta.ru/news/2016/05/10/japan/
          Who does not suit google yourself.
          1. Dalmatia
            Dalmatia 11 May 2016 07: 32
            +2
            I think that this is cunning, agreed in advance among themselves, and now depict discontent.
        2. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 11 May 2016 07: 37
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          Quote: atalef
          the islands will give

          I can gladly give I. Khakamad and still pay twenty more
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 11 May 2016 09: 07
            +2
            Who will ask us? I think these two islands are just the beginning. Then they will demand all the South Kuril Islands, then all the Kuril Islands in general ... And after Polusakhalin they will recall their initial version of the Portsmouth world - not only the whole of Sakhalin, but also the entire Sea of ​​Okhotsk, and there, possibly, a little earth on the continent. And, most importantly, our ruling oligarchy will easily give all these lands without even asking us. We will simply be notified after the fact.
            1. Roman 11
              Roman 11 11 May 2016 10: 57
              0
              Quote: Basarev
              And, most importantly, our ruling oligarchy will easily give all these lands, without even asking us. We will simply be notified after the fact.

              In the Donbass, too, there was an oligarchy, yes it was floated laughing

              One day a scribe may come running to everything, he will not ask laughing

              And it seems that not only the GDP understands this, but also our Dubovar oligarchs ..... the National Guard will not help
          2. Roman 11
            Roman 11 11 May 2016 10: 51
            +1
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            I can gladly give I. Khakamad and still pay twenty more

            For Hokaido laughing

            It’s not without reason that I dreamed of bee apiaries on Hokaido laughing
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 11 May 2016 13: 19
              +4
              Quote: Novel 11
              For Hokaido

              Hokkaido should be ours according to the plan, but the Red Army was advancing so that Hokkaido did not have time to occupy, the Japanese surrendered to our landing! soldier
        3. Bobxnumx
          Bobxnumx 11 May 2016 08: 21
          +1
          The negotiation process is long, some clarity will appear after the 2018 presidential election. And in this particular situation, this is apparently a small step forward.
      2. Roman 11
        Roman 11 11 May 2016 10: 43
        -2
        Quote: SSR
        He arrived at a very difficult time for Russia

        Which is not easy? It is necessary to have a snack ...... It was not an easy time in the besieged Leningrad, but even there the enemy pulled into its lair ..... you are our Russian.
    3. Bobxnumx
      Bobxnumx 11 May 2016 08: 14
      +1
      That's right, populism is visible without an armed eye. The Russian official position is well known, and the creation of a military base on the islands speaks volumes.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 11 May 2016 08: 57
        +1
        I would not say that "the Russian position is known" ... everything in the world is changing and what was impossible yesterday may become possible today or tomorrow ... But the Japanese are typical Asians and they have a policy of "small steps" in their blood ", that is," slowly but inevitably go forward "paraphrasing in Russian:" a drop wears away a stone. "
      2. Scoun
        Scoun 11 May 2016 13: 22
        +1
        Quote: Bob0859
        the establishment of a military base on the islands speaks volumes.

        The creation of bases and infrastructures only raises the price of the "object", the more configured, the more expensive it is sold. You wanted to say it)))
        wink
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 11 May 2016 09: 14
      +5
      In 2014, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk was recognized by the UN as Russia's internal one. Naturally, based on the territorial affiliation of the two "disputed" islands of Russia. This act in itself is an international recognition of the existing status of these islands. The transfer of these islands to Japan will violate our state border (territorial sovereignty) and thereby expand open access to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
      As for the Crimea. Crimea was handed over to Ukraine by Khrushchev (without Sevastopol), he also promised to give Japan the “disputed” islands. ”The return of Crimea to Russia for Japan means that we chkhal on Khrushchev's“ promises ”and strengthened our sovereignty, and now we need to talk with Russia in a completely different way Hence the "new approach".
    5. Dam
      Dam 11 May 2016 09: 22
      +1
      A good bluff is sometimes better than the royal three
    6. Roman 11
      Roman 11 11 May 2016 10: 27
      -1
      Quote: atalef
      the most important thing is that the Abe party before the election wants to pick up cheap popularity.

      He smiles that Obama is angry at the visit of his nuker ..... Obamtzus is not so stupid - does he not need bases on Shikotan? Our fleet immediately presses against the wall. After the transfer of the islands, there will be only Americans. I believe that the visit took place at the insistence of the Negro 1. To drive a wedge between Russia and China. 2. To test the state of Russia - if we do not rest, then the sanctions are fruitful.

      It looks like Putin did not react straightforwardly, maybe he decided to sort out the situation, or start his own game, or something else - so far one thing is clear GDP (noticed on an ongoing basis), always seeks to pursue a policy "long", squeezing out all the benefits, even seemed would be from unprofitable on the initial short-term transactions ... then he translates them into long-term laughing

      An example with an apparently visible one - the main thing is to hang a bad asset (good liabilities) on the balance sheet to the west and take your time to take profits (import substitution, increase in agricultural production, etc.). Having exhausted not the smartest leadership, one can observe the further disintegration and obtaining economic, ideological, military and other advantages.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 12 May 2016 00: 59
        +1
        In economic terms, "synergy" can occur. Russia wants to develop the Far East, and the Japanese need an economic leap, energy and raw materials. Technologies instead of a share in deposits. This is most likely what the "market" (bargaining) is going on. Judge for yourself.
        An economic leap. Japan's debt is the largest among the seven compared to the country's GDP. Yenoy is played back and forth. In short, "stagnation". It is important for any government to push the economy, and the Far East gives such an opportunity.
        Energy sources. After Fukushima, Japan will need other types of energy, without which energy cannot be raised. And with that Fukushima, apparently, I need help.
        Raw materials. It is worth the Russian Federation to wrap all seafood on its market, as some enterprises in Japan and China will get up with Korea. Japan imports all raw materials, food is also needed for such a number of eaters.
        All this can be provided by the Far East and Siberia. After the Russian Federation began to strengthen the Armed Forces in the Kuril Islands, Japanese politicians understood everything. Therefore, this topic is more for the domestic, Japanese "market". Any free trade zone on one of the islands - the maximum. For Japanese goods, this can become a window into the EAEU and spur production. hi
        Bargaining is under way over who will be allowed to invest in the Far East. Korea, China and Japan should, in my opinion, have a great desire to "get" to the region. The Russian Federation is likely to "launch everyone a little bit."
        On the other hand. Because of the disputed territories, the Russian Federation becomes for its neighbors in the region that "participant" who can decide everything. The Kremlin is likely to play on these contradictions. Therefore, the Japanese do not need a "dialogue" with Moscow. Let's see how it goes. But the Kremlin should have a benefit in such a situation. hi
  2. Jarilo
    Jarilo 11 May 2016 06: 28
    +8
    Where the Russian flag was hoisted, it should not be lowered. And we can build everything ourselves. We have unemployment, and now we will create jobs for the Japanese and still give the islands to them in addition. And the incomes from those enterprises that will be built do not affect me personally, like the majority of the population, they go into some kind of treasury so as not to accelerate inflation (Kudrin copyright).
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 May 2016 07: 10
      +1
      Quote: Jarilo
      . We have unemployment, and now we will create jobs for the Japanese and

      How are jobs for the Japanese? Do you have any idea what salary a Japanese should have so that he moves to Russia to work?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 May 2016 07: 13
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Jarilo
        . We have unemployment, and now we will create jobs for the Japanese and

        How are jobs for the Japanese? Do you have any idea what salary a Japanese should have so that he moves to Russia to work?

        Well, he probably meant jobs for top managers ... yes
      2. atalef
        atalef 11 May 2016 07: 15
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Do you have any idea what salary a Japanese should have so that he moves to Russia to work?

        According to data provided by the Ministry of Labor and Employment for the first quarter of 2015, minimum monthly the average salary in Japan is $ 1380 - $ 1852

        The minimum. laughing
        1. Idiot
          Idiot 11 May 2016 08: 19
          -2
          atalef (8): what is Japan's public debt at the moment? This is the catch - the greater the state debt of the country, the greater the minimum wage and social benefits. Where does the money come from? And they print, there is no problem with tea and paper, even houses are built from it in Japan.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 11 May 2016 09: 13
            +1
            Quote: pft, fkb
            This is the catch - the greater the state debt of the country, the greater the minimum wage and social benefits.

            You are probably an economist and moved to us from Ukraine wassat
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      3. Amurets
        Amurets 11 May 2016 07: 27
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        How are jobs for the Japanese? Do you have any idea what salary a Japanese should have so that he moves to Russia to work?

        Romanov, do you remember a lot of Japanese people in the territory of the Far East in 1960-1980? I remember them at the training center, where they trained specialists in the operation of Japanese mining and forestry equipment, and at the sales office in Khabarovsk. Does it seem that there weren’t more of them?
        1. Dalmatia
          Dalmatia 11 May 2016 07: 35
          +6
          Romanov, do you remember a lot of Japanese in 1960-1980 in the territory of the Far East?
          __________________________________________________________________

          Alexander Romanov was not born yet in these years)))
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 11 May 2016 08: 33
            +1
            Quote: Dalmatia

            Alexander Romanov was not born yet in these years)))
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 May 2016 08: 19
          +1
          Quote: Amurets

          Romanov, do you remember a lot of Japanese in 1960-1980 in the territory of the Far East?

          In the 80s, I didn't give a damn about the Japanese. And even if they were somewhere in the Far East, it’s definitely not in Komsomolsk. Komsomolsk was a closed city and meeting a foreigner is a very big rarity. If they did, it was definitely a great friend of the party.
      4. troyan
        troyan 11 May 2016 09: 11
        -6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Do you have any idea what salary a Japanese should have so that he moves to Russia to work?

        Is there more salary in Japan than in Russia? Hmmm ... And I thought that on the contrary ... if, of course, judging by the cries of the ur-putriots, that, they say, "race-gets-up-with-kalen", "economy-race-not-raw" and the like.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 May 2016 09: 38
          +1
          Quote: troyan
          I thought it was the other way around ... if, of course, judging by the cries of the ura-putriots, that, they say, "race-rises-with-kalen", "economy-race-not-raw" and the like.

          Well, go to the Censor, they write the truth, Russia-Khan. Read-enjoy.
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      6. siberalt
        siberalt 11 May 2016 09: 28
        +2
        China extracts rare earth metals for the electronics industry on nearby islands, and in this it is practically a world monopoly. The same chemical elements are contained in the bowels of the "disputed" islands. And secondly, it is fishing and seafood production in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, which we have leased to foreign bourgeoisie for 50 years. The Japanese would never do that.
        In geopolitical terms, Russia can build a powerful military base on these islands, a dozen kilometers from the main US satellite, as a response to NATO's eastward expansion. And Japan becomes a "hostage" in the crosshairs. Do they need it?
      7. Roman 11
        Roman 11 11 May 2016 11: 08
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        How are jobs for the Japanese?

        On the islands, after the transfer, an economic boom will begin, the Japanese will flood into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk - there are full benefits.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 May 2016 16: 39
          +2
          Quote: Novel 11
          the Japanese rush into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk - full of benefits.

          They were already there, now the Okhotsk Inland Sea of ​​Russia. Dry the oars!
  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 11 May 2016 06: 29
    +4
    Well ... Igor Kabardin is your way out! enlighten us, you are in this matter-dock! tongue
    1. Dalmatia
      Dalmatia 11 May 2016 07: 00
      +4
      Yesterday on VO there was an article by Igor Kabardin "The Kuriles and Money", but today there is no article
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 May 2016 07: 10
        +3
        Quote: Dalmatia
        Yesterday on VO there was an article by Igor Kabardin "The Kuriles and Money", but today there is no article

        because it was "torn" by the forum users for the "minor" ... hi
        1. Dalmatia
          Dalmatia 11 May 2016 07: 19
          +1
          Yes, I saw.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 May 2016 07: 12
        +3
        Quote: Dalmatia
        Yesterday on VO there was an article by Igor Kabardin "The Kuriles and Money", but today there is no article

        http://cil86.livejournal.com/224042.html Вот вам блог в ЖЖ Кабардина,читаите и наслаждаитесь.Я почитал,больше его читать не стану.
        1. Dalmatia
          Dalmatia 11 May 2016 07: 18
          +2
          Yesterday I had enough articles on VO to understand the position of Igor Kabardin.
          The article did not like, and I do not share the position of Kabardin.
      3. Roman 11
        Roman 11 11 May 2016 11: 14
        0
        Quote: Dalmatia
        Yesterday on VO there was an article by Igor Kabardin "The Kuriles and Money", but today there is no article

        Really sold? To whom? Abe? laughing
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 11 May 2016 06: 29
    +1
    Russia, Japan, the Kuril Islands will not give up .. But the markets will provide ...
  5. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 11 May 2016 06: 29
    +3
    Economic incentives are good, political dialogue is good, transferring islands is unacceptable!
  6. Corvetkapitan
    Corvetkapitan 11 May 2016 06: 34
    15
    Japan has always fought against Russia and was its enemy, so you don’t need to be fools and forget the past ... Now in Japan, the US military base and its US troops will not, at least until they weaken, and this , it’s not yet visible ... Japan is the sixth of the USA, and therefore it is not only not necessary to speak with Japan, but also nothing, because Japan is not independent ...
  7. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 11 May 2016 06: 39
    13
    Japan has never been for us either an ally or a friend .. And it won’t! The topic of the Kuril Islands should be cut off in negotiations. This is ours, and that’s it. There is no discussion ..
  8. semirek
    semirek 11 May 2016 06: 41
    +4
    Our position is unchanged - our islands and we are not going to give them away. As far as I remember, Putin always encouraged the Japanese to cooperate in the economy, many projects were announced, including the construction of a gas pipeline to Japan, and this was not so long ago. they won’t give the green light to Japan’s active cooperation with us-- all this is a bluff, PR, the political game of Japanese politicians.
    1. Idiot
      Idiot 11 May 2016 08: 25
      0
      It is necessary to fill them with an island, even from garbage. For their money. In Sochi, when the Olympic facilities were being built, the port water area with infrastructure was doubled. Our island builders know how to use money.
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  9. Dalmatia
    Dalmatia 11 May 2016 06: 57
    +2
    The article is balanced, not like yesterday.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 11 May 2016 07: 09
      +2
      Quote: Dalmatia
      The article is balanced, not like yesterday.

      I mean - Hurray louder?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 May 2016 07: 14
        +5
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Quote: Dalmatia
        The article is balanced, not like yesterday.

        I mean - Hurray louder?

        I mean, everything was lost less.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 11 May 2016 08: 02
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          I mean, everything was gone less

          Why did Yurich set a minus? )))))
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 11 May 2016 08: 39
            +2
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Why did Yurich set a minus? )))))

            He didn’t.
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 11 May 2016 12: 28
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              He didn’t.

              I know, a joke))
      2. Dalmatia
        Dalmatia 11 May 2016 07: 24
        +2
        For afdjhbn67

        Yesterday on VO there was an article "Kuriles and money", where the leitmotif was the transfer of the islands to Japan in exchange for the conclusion of a peace treaty.
        Didn't understand your question about "Hurray louder"
      3. Amurets
        Amurets 11 May 2016 07: 33
        +2
        Quote: afdjhbn67

        I mean - Hurray louder?

        The namesake does not offend the girl! She really thinks. Kabardin yesterday caused such nonsense that the article was removed.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 11 May 2016 08: 01
          +3
          Quote: Amurets
          Namesake do not offend the girl!

          For a girl already avenged)))))))))) - 1))
          Actually, Igor has an adequate outlook on things, even with a correlation to the VO site. But I didn’t read yesterday’s article ..
  10. Stas157
    Stas157 11 May 2016 07: 07
    +2
    Something I do not like these new approaches and breakthroughs, since the time of the Gorbachev perestroika.
  11. Sharky
    Sharky 11 May 2016 07: 17
    +3
    "In the context of sectoral sanctions, we need Japanese technology ..."
    What kind of "indispensable Japanese technologies" are we talking about, without which we cannot live? request Something I do not understand? In my opinion, the Japanese do nothing of their own, which cannot be obtained from other partners. At my home from Japanese, only one thing lies and this is a Panasonic hair clipper (and it’s not very convenient yes ) There are plenty of analogs on the market, than there is a replacement.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 11 May 2016 10: 18
      -1
      That's right, do not greatly exaggerate Japanese technology.
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 May 2016 07: 23
    +6
    in reaching an agreement on “The islands occupied by Russia, called the northern territories in Japan. "

    How do you like that - it turns out that Russia has occupied the islands. And who in the end lost in the 2nd World Cup along with Germany? It was the Soviet Union who, for almost five years, staged bloody provocations on the border, it was we who probably occupied China and the Philippines before that and destroyed the civilian population. And now the old song about the so-called. "northern territories". Build factories in the Far East, but do not roll your lips into our territories, which rightfully belong to Russia.
    1. Idiot
      Idiot 11 May 2016 08: 38
      +4
      Japan, according to some mysterious suicidal logic, believes that it will be easier for it to squeeze out part of the territory from Russia than, for example, from China or from any other country. However, the source of such logic is well known to everyone, but probably the Japanese people have extremely lowered the pain threshold, apparently after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Honor and dignity completely burned out, along with brains, but the insult remained - the Yankees of the Sun have been raped for 70 years, in an uncomfortable position she stands and looks exclusively to the north, to where the Kuril Islands. Russians are observing an uncomfortable pose from the islands ... Conclusion: Russians are to blame for everything.
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  13. Dalmatia
    Dalmatia 11 May 2016 07: 28
    +3
    I wonder what the Japanese are hoping for, putting such pressure on us.
    I do not believe that the Japanese prime minister came to Sochi in spite of the White House. We agreed among ourselves, ostensibly against the United States, and such an "independent" Japan went to Russia. These are all games. And no islands. Close this topic.
  14. Andrey160479
    Andrey160479 11 May 2016 07: 42
    +2
    As American "friends" say to the Japanese, it will be so. By the way about the occupation. The Americans are still there. Since the times of the second world war.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 May 2016 07: 56
      +1
      Quote: Andrey160479
      As American "friends" say to the Japanese, it will be so.

      Is not a fact! The Japanese now also have big problems in the economy. Because nothing personal, only business.
    2. cap
      cap 11 May 2016 08: 14
      +5
      Quote: Andrey160479
      As American "friends" say to the Japanese, it will be so. By the way about the occupation. The Americans are still there. Since the times of the second world war.


      Give a photo as a souvenir to the "Peaceful". That's when the Japanese had to "set conditions." They forgot how they cut their heads.
      surrender
      militarism
  15. 31rus2
    31rus2 11 May 2016 08: 10
    +2
    Dear, it’s not so simple: 1) the alliance between Russia and Japan against the United States and against China, the author greatly exaggerated, even if there was such an alliance, it is unlikely that something has changed, 2) the territorial issue, Putin and Abe are smart and experienced politics, therefore, clause 2 is only a screen for the Allies, 3) but joint control and exchange of information on missile launches of the DPRK, the most is, 3) our new base of submarines, the Japanese strategy for naval development, the same serious topic does not interfere with each other
  16. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 11 May 2016 08: 32
    +3
    What are all cunning, I'm just bastard! Anglo-Saxons have already changed the mentality of the whole planet? And what all of them have for a cheap approach - first you give, and then we will make (maybe) alaverds ... Ugh, a lot of honor to talk with the mattresses.
    Our main condition is not voiced? - First, not a single mattress base in Japan, then we'll talk. THIS SHOULD BE OUR MAIN CONDITION !!! before starting any conversation with the Japs.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 11 May 2016 10: 17
      0
      Cheat. US bases can both be withdrawn, and then returned. And the islands are all Japanese. And it will be impossible to pick them up without a normal war in which Russia is inferior not only to the United States, but even to Japan alone. How many times can you step on the same rake? With Europe, just as deceived.
  17. 31rus2
    31rus2 11 May 2016 08: 38
    0
    4) China is a difficult topic, but each side will pursue its own policy, 5) Resources, this is the main topic, Russia needs technology and money, the Japanese all that we can supply them, and as close and cheaper as possible
  18. Idiot
    Idiot 11 May 2016 08: 43
    0
    I suggest looking at a photo of the presidents. Our: since I arrived, do not stand on the threshold; Japanese: trying is not torture ...
  19. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 11 May 2016 08: 48
    +7
    Hmm ... In just 20 years from the monolithic "Kuril ridge" began to soften to the "southern Kuril ridge". Back in school, the geography teacher was asked a question about the Kuril Islands. To which the answer was received that the northern islands of Japan itself are sufficiently uninhabited and it is incorrect to speak about the lack of land. And the need for the islands is explained by the richest marine resources.

    Of course, having NATO observation posts near Pskov, it is necessary to organize these observation posts (and this will be done right away) at the bases in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. Destroy the air defense shield, which took shape over the years in this direction.

    Transferring islands is unprofitable on all sides.

    What kind of alliance with the Japanese can we talk about? In 1941, they did not dare to attack only after an exemplary flogging at Khalkhin Gol. Ask yourself only 1 question, what common interests can the Japanese and Russians AFTER the transfer of the islands? The Japanese will deliver the latest technology to a huge nuclear the country next door? Do not make me laugh!

    The very posing of the question "islands - a peace treaty" is ridiculous. As if, under the heel of the United States, only the islands prevent the Japanese from "building mutually beneficial economic relations." Russia has lived beautifully for 50 years without a treaty and will live 50 more, just like Japan. To exchange strategically important territories for mythical "technologies" (not even able to remove dirt from an exploded reactor), and even in advance - the approach does not stand up to criticism. This is the approach of the weak.

    The Chinese are not shy about pouring jump airfields on the disputed Spartley islands, and our observers offer to give an ideal position for launching an air and missile strike on the main US ally in the Pacific ... Surprisingly.
    1. yehat
      yehat 11 May 2016 15: 38
      0
      What kind of alliance with the Japanese can we talk about?

      and I will answer.
      The Russian Federation and its customs union - a very tasty market
      take technology from Japan? Do they have a lot of their technologies?
      They simply take advantage of open trade opportunities within the US satellite.
      But we can take something else in Japan - equipment and experience in production, help, as a partner, in trade. In combination with the Far East, a very large consumer of resources is formed there - instead of Ukraine, gas, metals, and timber can be supplied there. Japan has a large fishing and cargo fleet, Japan, unlike us, is a sea power and it is very beneficial to cooperate with them. In addition, unlike the arrogant Saxons, the Japanese are not so saturated with anger towards Russia, they have in fact a socially oriented economy and may well be, if not an ally, then at least a good neighbor - like Finns.
      Also, Japan is not simple, but an employer for those who are looking for earnings.
      We can find our mutual interests.
  20. GOGY
    GOGY 11 May 2016 08: 57
    +3
    Quote: Volzhanin
    First, not a single mattress base in Japan, then we'll talk. THIS SHOULD BE OUR MAIN CONDITION !!! before starting any conversation with the Japs.
    What to talk about with the eternal enemy, there are bases there, there are no bases there - what a difference! Land cannot be negotiable! The loser does not dictate his will to the winner, the cross-eyed eyes are already completely covered, you don’t have to chew the snot, it’ll blather about the islands - a kick under the ass, people around the world respect strength and toughness, and we breed politicians before the Papuans, who are forced people. And Putin had to be told live - we won’t give up the islands and the question was closed forever, why confuse the tracks? I do not understand request
    1. Irbenwolf
      Irbenwolf 11 May 2016 09: 23
      0
      Politics is a delicate thing, and wise politics does not tolerate ultimatums at all. In addition, it is always more profitable to have a reason for dialogue, which automatically binds the opponent and his attention to you. Talking about transmission and transmitting is absolutely not the same thing. But to get some benefits in advance for an unfulfilled half-promise is a pleasant and necessary matter.

      Yesterday's article correctly said that it was not so much flirting with the Japanese as an occasion to sober up the Chinese who were beginning to dig into it. To get a neutral state from the North with a rather combat-ready army is not a very pleasant prospect. This means complete economic isolation of China (it is closed on all sides by hostile military bases), and as a result, dependence on people who have keys to these bases.

      Even the status of a global factory won't help. A factory operating "for a warehouse" is doomed, and import-export is blocked or limited ... well, let's say by duties.

      Russia is too big to get involved in military operations with it, even classic ones. Although pitting Russia and China is the political luck of the 21st century, a real jackpot.
    2. yehat
      yehat 11 May 2016 15: 43
      +2
      With the eternal enemy ??? You would be a better student than you taught history! Enemies have made us several times.
      For example, the Russo-Japanese War was the result of the absolutely ugly behavior of a number of senior officials who were responsible for politics in that region, plus the British and Americans somewhat warmed up the situation. With that, the Germans tried to defuse the situation - the war was unprofitable for them, but even our open proposals did not go to cooperate.
      And before? The concession, which mined furs on the islands, was supplanted from Kamchatka because the Russians did not give a damn about communicating with the Japanese. And after the war? Inadequate throws from trying to give the island to threats with vigorous weapons. Japan became an enemy, because in time no one began to communicate with them NORMALLY. What do you do with a person who ignores you or threatens you with a fist?
      the British became Great Britain because they knew how to study and listen to those with whom they had business.
      1. Irbenwolf
        Irbenwolf 12 May 2016 13: 41
        0
        Your cattle rudeness does not add weight to your opinion.

        Only one fact is undeniable. Your Japanese friends have always been very willing to follow your Anglo-Saxon enemies at all times.

        the honesty of the behavior of the officials of the Republic of Ingushetia does not cancel the fact as simple as a brick - the attack was from Japan.
        Japan did not prefer to deal with the French or Germans, who campaigned for the weaning of the Laodong Peninsula (which became Japanese after the Sino-Japanese war), but with Russia. Despite the agreement that secured Japan’s refusal to these territories for additional indemnity from China.

        Justifying the attack of the Japanese by the "face-to-face policy of the Republic of Ingushetia", the next step can be justified by Adolf Alozic - he just needed Ukraine ... Economically ... Without people ... And only the "face-to-face politics" of Soviet officials unleashed the Second World War.

        (There must be copyright from Lavrov) ...
  21. runway
    runway 11 May 2016 09: 24
    0
    Japan has not resolved territorial issues with China.
    The disputed Diaoyu Dao Islands (Senkaku) constantly raise the degree of tension between these countries.
    China and Russia in recent years have been actively increasing their military power. Having two countries close by with unresolved territorial problems is even worse than living in an area of ​​increased seismic danger.
    Conclusion: Japan needs a peace treaty with Russia more than Russia. The issue of the "Northern Territories" is being raised by Japan to "preserve its face." Of course, no matter who has what opinion, such issues are not resolved. Putin will sign an agreement on the transfer of the islands, and with the approval of the upper and lower houses of legislative assemblies, it will be ratified in one day, and the banderlog will be told that it is beneficial to Russia.
    1. yehat
      yehat 11 May 2016 15: 48
      0
      how to explain everything simply and easily by saving face fool
      the simpler the simplification, the easier it is to live, but life does not always come down to simplifications.
      YES, considering the ability to save face is very useful, but more is needed.
      you need to understand all the arguments that the Japanese hear.
  22. Petrik66
    Petrik66 11 May 2016 09: 45
    +1
    Where will Japan go? There was no need to start a war and lose. Like all the losers, they have a moral trauma, channeling it towards the Americans is more expensive for themselves, so they played with the Kurils. We will not give up the islands - no one will understand, not in the Russian Federation. not in the world. there is no way out, since the question of the "Northern Territories" is sacred for all Japanese. They are not Germans, they reflect on Prussia and Silesia, but they do business, and the Japanese - other Sanctions come and go, but the Kurils remain. "Friendly" China is nearby, but to imagine a war between Japan and China is just as fantastic as a war between the Russian Federation and the United States. And then what? so - fuss. A breakthrough, but there is no breakthrough, is a ritual burden for domestic consumption and the rise of "rams" before the Chinese and Yankees.
    1. yehat
      yehat 11 May 2016 15: 56
      +1
      you may not be aware, but in fact the USSR attacked the territories occupied by the Japanese Kwantung army. And in fact of a conspiracy with the United States, Japan was quickly forced to surrender and, as a result, the islands returned to the USSR. Where did Japan attack? Where, when did the Japanese attack the USSR? It wasn’t.
      The Japanese do not demand without reason, they have their own arguments. And until you hear them, the question cannot be resolved. And you don’t understand the Japanese at all. There is no sacredness of the northern territories. This is just a very convenient election slogan. They are not needed by specific Japanese people; their usefulness is visible only to the state and some corporations. Look at the population of the islands - almost no one lives among the Japanese even in THEIR north. And the Japanese can abandon claims on the islands. It is only necessary to correctly place the emphasis, to make the exchange correctly.
      For example, to help the Japanese in their relations with North Korea.
  23. sa-ag
    sa-ag 11 May 2016 09: 47
    0
    Cheap gas in exchange for a peace treaty?
    1. yehat
      yehat 11 May 2016 15: 58
      0
      this is a bribe, this is stupid. Imagine the USA giving a bribe to Mexico so that they don’t get angry at building a fence along the border.
      Remember Ukraine, which was helped by cheap gas for many years.
      What, they said thanks?
  24. surrozh
    surrozh 11 May 2016 09: 52
    0
    In Japan, the yen rises in price, it is unprofitable to produce goods, production becomes robotic. Abe came to look for new markets for goods and services (China is closed), and covered himself with the islands. I do not think that Putin will allow a precedent for the Kurils, we have a lot of disputed territories (Kaliningrad, Pytalovskaya oblast, Crimea, etc.). So it is possible and "But the king is not real!" get. Easy!
  25. kuz363
    kuz363 11 May 2016 10: 12
    0
    Another "divorce" for Russia. Peace treaties were concluded with Germany and other countries. So what? NATO bases are still there, like the American ones. And even moved to the Baltics. Japan suggests the same. Selling territories for some kind of ports, factories, airfields ... But the US bases will remain! What is the point of this agreement?
  26. 72jora72
    72jora72 11 May 2016 10: 16
    +1
    Suga also said that there is no change in the position of Japan on the South Kuriles: "First, solve the problem of the four islands, then the conclusion of a peace treaty."
    Yes, we do not have any "problems" with the Kurils, this topic appeared as soon as Mikhail Gorbachev, a champion of "universal human values" came to power in the USSR. His closest friend and colleague, Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze, in a private conversation with his Japanese counterpart Tara Nakayama, promised to resolve the "Kuril issue" in Japan's favor. And in the fall of 1991, the Japanese have already openly offered our country a deal: in exchange for one billion dollars of "humanitarian aid" and 2,5 billion dollars of "economic aid" to give it first the islands of Habomai and Shikotan, and later - Kunashir and Iturup. While Gorbachev was thinking, the Soviet Union collapsed, and he himself was left out of work, without any authority.
  27. Igor70
    Igor70 11 May 2016 10: 18
    0
    There was a Turkish gambit. Now Japanese are being used by the eastern neighbors when Russia had problems over the Kuril Islands of Japan (they offered an optical fiber cable from Vladivostok to Moscow in the 90s). You can’t only think about the money tomorrow Sakhalin wants .......... ...........
  28. yehat
    yehat 11 May 2016 12: 11
    0
    In order to really negotiate, you need to declare not only your rights, but also your interests
    only on the declaration of interests can something be discussed, but we have no politics in the Far East and no interests.
    Therefore, negotiations in Moscow are READY. And now, in fact, it’s not the Japanese, but the cones from the Russian government that are sabotaging negotiations on a peace treaty. What can they think in Moscow now? About how to save unused islands for their forgotten colony? Don’t tell my slippers. The islands would have been given away / sold a long time ago had it not been for the categorical objections of the military.
    While in Moscow (not only in the Kremlin) they do not understand that the country needs to be seriously engaged in the MKAD, leave budgets, build infrastructure, ease taxes, there will be no distinct EXTERNAL interests. And now the country resembles a clown, because foreign and domestic policy was subdued by a dull Gazprom.
  29. 23424636
    23424636 11 May 2016 13: 52
    0
    Yes, the Japs were overslept when Kozyrev traded islands. In general, why not call this rot to the Lubyanka and there to fuck for treason or like a spy so that he would be frightened in Miami to open the curtains on the windows It’s time to send black marks to everyone who traded in the country in the 90s
  30. trantor
    trantor 11 May 2016 14: 45
    0
    In 1992, Russian Foreign Minister Andrei Kozyrev made a secret proposal,

    Found someone to remember. This gentleman served in the US State Department rather than served in Russia.
  31. yehat
    yehat 11 May 2016 15: 17
    +1
    the Japanese, despite the fact that they are much inferior in numbers to China, play a large role in Asia and in the regulation of its economy. Ignoring them is completely stupid. I do not urge to give them all the islands - from this RF it will only fall in their eyes, I only urge to learn to speak the language that they perceive.
    Yes, they can be threatened. But they lived ALL their lives under threats from Godzilla from the USSR to volcanoes, earthquakes and tsunamis. Need to find some other methods. In the same way, they perceive neither the demarches with visits to the islands, nor the imitation of activity, nor the itching of the rights that the Americans gave. Need a completely different! This seems like a joke, but the problem of the islands and the peace treaty will not be defeated by our fleet or nuclear shield, but by Cheburashka. It is culture that can solve problems. And while Moscow holds the population for By_dlo, when instead of culture propaganda and advertising are slipped, the question cannot be adequately resolved.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 11 May 2016 16: 34
      0
      Quote: yehat
      I do not urge to give them all the islands - from this RF it will only fall in their eyes, I only urge to learn to speak the language that they perceive.

      You don’t need to learn to speak that language. You just need to remember it. We knew how to speak the Japanese in the language of the USSR. And the trade mission was in Khabarovsk. During the time of the CPSU and the USSR, we were mutually interested in trade and economic relations. So what prevents us from remembering relationship?
  32. JonnyT
    JonnyT 11 May 2016 16: 17
    0
    the Japanese will have a real breakthrough when they give them a fig to sniff again, and not smoke ....... Naive Abe heard what he wanted to hear, but Vova beckoned him to a carrot ...
    It’s not just that military infrastructure is being built on the islands .....
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 11 May 2016 16: 42
      0
      Quote: JonnyT
      the Japanese will have a real breakthrough when they give them another fig to sniff,

      What urgently did you need a prostitute urgently? That is how the Japanese understand this gesture. And the islands, at least while Putin is in power, no one is going to give them.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 11 May 2016 19: 45
      +1
      Quote: JonnyT
      .A naive Abe heard what he wanted to hear, But Vova beckoned him to the carrot ...

      That will be a joke when Vova gives this carrot to the naive. Needless to say so, but in pursuance of the next Chitroplan and in full accordance with the Nazintes. How it was once given to the territory of China and the waters of Norway, as on May 11, 2014 the Donbass referendum was unnoticed, how debts to the left of tens of billions of Amer rubles are forgiven left and right.
  33. drilled
    drilled 11 May 2016 16: 31
    0
    How can we come to an agreement with you, comrades Japanese, if you are still in the military occupation of our "worst partner" the United States? What could be the "joint" use if the Americans will be there tomorrow, and not only by the navy, but also by the fishing fleet? Not to mention your own fishermen, who are not known for being selective and frugal in their use of resources.
  34. Makarov
    Makarov 11 May 2016 16: 37
    0
    The problem for the Russian Federation is not whether they can agree or not. The problem is that Japan stubbornly for many decades has not retreated from attempts to resolve this issue. With such a position, history shows that sooner or later they will achieve this, another question is at what cost and in what geopolitical situation ...

    As regards China, a segment of history is indicative when the USSR fought near Stalingrad, and the 8th roar. the army of China was standing in the field, losing the neighboring city to a small garrison of Japanese, who quietly settled there comfortably. China did not speak at the time, but everyone understood that they were just waiting for the end of the massacre on the Volga ... They, like us, cannot be changed. They are as they are.
  35. crasever
    crasever 11 May 2016 18: 39
    +1
    I decided to try two rods. I apologize for being rude - but first let this poppy ... well, deal with his American owners about the Fukushima nuclear power plant, there’s a piece of it, or we’ll go there anyway, and the weapons reactor with plutonium has not gone away, and the robots don’t give a picture, that the Kuril Islands are Japanese, will immediately reduce the background once in forty ??
  36. 1536
    1536 11 May 2016 19: 23
    +1
    We must stop this fuss about the transfer of our Kuril Islands to Japan. Let someone in the government settle the Japanese in his country house or even give it to the Japanese partners. Then we’ll look at it and wait for what will happen. And it is a lie that we need Japanese technology. They will never give to us anyway, or when they become obsolete. An example is friendshipfroendshaft and not sold Opel.
  37. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 11 May 2016 20: 56
    0
    If Putin gives at least FIFTH to Russian land (and the islands are this land), I personally will consider him an ENEMY of SLAVIC CIVILIZATION.
  38. hannibal lecter
    hannibal lecter 11 May 2016 21: 48
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    Don't underestimate Putin. Faced interests in Japan and China, while he himself did not promise anything, the quick-eyed themselves know how to dream. The Chinese, in order to overtake the Japanese, will begin to invest more seriously in projects in the Far East. All is wise. And the Japanese are just pawns in his game. Putin will not give an inch of land.