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German assassins



... the battle was inevitable. In 19: 28, flagmen lowered the Dutch flag, and a black swastika hopped up on the gaff. At the same time, the disguised cannons of the Cormoran opened fire on the enemy. Mortally wounded, "Sydney" managed to put a total of eight shells into the gangster and melted on the horizon, enveloped in flames from bow to stern.

After the battle, the fascists lauded for a long time how their civilian ship did away with the warship in a matter of minutes. That's just the plot of this tale is more prosaic. The Cormoran was a real floating stronghold, with a trained crew and an insane amount of weapons on board. Such a corsair was not inferior to the warship in terms of firepower and most characteristics. Otherwise, how could he sink the Australian cruiser?

The main caliber of the merchant ship was six 150-mm 15 cm SK L / 45 naval cannons, which, like the other raiders, were carefully hidden behind the metal sheets of deliberately high bulwarks.

For comparison: any destroyer of that era carried four or five universal guns of a much smaller caliber (114 ... 130 mm). So which of them is a warship?

Little is still known about the fire control system. There is evidence that the presence of an 3-meter rangefinder in the superstructure was standard for all raiders. “Cormoran”, in addition to him, had two more artillery rangefinders with a base 1,25 meter.

Even taking into account not the most effective location of part of artillery in dungeons, in which no more than 4-guns could fire on one side, the Cormoran’s firepower was enough to fight face-to-face with any light cruiser of the 1930-1 . (where the concept of “lightness” was not determined by the size of the ship, but by the limitation of the main caliber of six inches).

It is worth noting that in the event of a battle, the Allied cruisers would have to be the first to move closer, while the raider would also be located outside the shelling zone of part of the GK towers. And artificial restrictions in the construction of cruisers 30-x. led to their armor completely not holding six-inch shells. They were as “cardboard” as the “peaceful” cargo ship. For exact identification of which it took long hours, while the raider was ready at any moment to open fire on the enemy.

Deadly “stranger”!

In the bow, open to all winds, there was a masked universal installation caliber 75 mm.

Nearby, everywhere, anti-aircraft guns were placed. Nothing unusual. Anti-aircraft weapons typical cruiser or destroyer of the initial period of WWII. Five 20 mm “Flac 30” with 450 firing rate / min., Supported by two 37-mm rapid-fire anti-tank PaK36 (by coincidence, installed instead of 37-mm automatic anti-aircraft guns). The radar, which was originally planned, had to be left ashore due to breakdowns.


Layout weapons on "Cormoran"


While volleys of artillery guns thundered, a new portion of death rushed to the target, pushing the slippery body apart over the sea. Six torpedo tubes of caliber 533 mm (two twin-tube on the upper deck and two submarines, in the stern of the raider) with 24 ammunition torpedoes.

That's not all. The Cormoran’s arsenal also included 360 anchor mines such as EMC and 30 magnetic TMB mines.

Two seaplanes “Arado-196” for conducting reconnaissance in the ocean and a speedboat of the LS-3 type “Meteorit” for carrying out torpedo attacks and secretive setting of minefields at the entrance to enemy ports.

The crew - 397 desperate thugs (10 times more than the usual dry cargo ship!) And the commander Ditmers, the motto of which was “There are no hopeless situations - there are people who solve them”.

Here is such a fun "shopkeeper."



Merchants death

“The battle showed how skillful the enemy ships are to change their appearance and what dilemma the captain of a cruiser trying to expose has to face. The danger to which a cruiser is exposed, approaching such a ship too closely and from a direction convenient for gunfire and torpedo firing is obvious - the raider always has the tactical advantage of surprise ", - recalled Captain Roskill, commander of the cruiser “Cornwall”, who with great luck managed to calculate and destroy a similar raider “Penguin”. At the same time, the cruiser at a certain moment was itself in the balance of death: one of the six-inch shells of the “Penguin” interrupted his steering.

From the testimony of Soviet officers aboard the Komet raider:

“The German steamer Komet is a team of 200 people (in fact, 270), the pipe is reworked, the sides are double, the command bridge is armored. It has a well-equipped radio station, around the clock, without removing the headphones, sit 6 radio operators. The seventh man from the radio operators does not listen to himself, he has the rank of officer. Transmitter power provides direct radio communication with Berlin. ”

In August 1940, the raider “Komet” (the operational code Kriegsmarine HKS-7, in British intelligence reports “Raider B”) was secretly carried directly to the rear of the Anglo-Saxons by the Northern Sea Route. On the way, the corsair was successfully disguised as the Soviet “Semyon Dezhnev”, and after breaking through into the Pacific Ocean, for a while pretended to be Japanese “Maniyo-Maru”.



“... we continuously photographed the shores, photographed all the objects that we met on our way. They photographed the islands, by which they passed, near which they stood, photographed Cape Chelyuskin, photographed icebreakers, under which they walked. At the slightest opportunity, they made measurements of the depths; landed on the shore and photographed, photographed, photographed ... the raider’s radio service practiced intercepting and processing radio communications between ships and EON icebreakers. ”

It was not by chance that the commander of the raider, Captain Zuze See Eissen, was introduced to the rank of Rear Admiral for that campaign. The obtained data on the navigation conditions on the Northern Sea Route were later used by the crews of German submarines and during the breakthrough of the Scharnhorst in the Kara Sea (Operation Horse Turn, 1943).

Disguised guns, fake sides and cargo arrows. Banners of all states of the world. Boats and aviation.

That Australian cruiser was doomed from the start. Even if his commander were a little more experienced and cautious, even if he did not go a mile closer to the vessel being inspected, the outcome of the battle would still look like an unequivocal way. Perhaps it would have changed only the sequence of death - the first “Cormoran” sank with the whole crew, who still managed to inflict deadly wounds on “Sydney”.

The aforementioned cruiser “Cornwall” had at least a caliber 203 mm, was larger and stronger than the “Australian”. The unfortunate HMAS Sydney (9 thousand tons, 8 x 152 mm) was left without any chance of survival when meeting with the peaceful German “trafficker”.



The lag in speed from cruisers and destroyers was bathed by the colossal cruising range, unattainable for warships, with their powerful and “voracious” GEM. Thanks to economical diesel-electric installation, “Cormoran” was able to go around the globe. While 18 nodes are not so few, given the fact that warships rarely developed in practice above 20 ... 25 nodes. At full speed dramatically increases fuel consumption and quickly “killed” resource.

... “Cormoran”, “Thor”, the legendary “Atlantis”, which became the most productive surface ship Kriegsmarine (for 622 of the day of raiding, they sank the 22 of the vessel, the total tonnage of gross registered tons 144). And stupidly died - the Devonshire cruiser patrol aircraft appeared over him at the time of refueling by a German submarine raider. At the same time, the British opened all the cards. The heavy cruiser immediately destroyed the “peace merchant”, tearing the Atlantis from its eight-inch guns. Alas, such luck happened only once. The aforementioned "Thor" and "Komet" have caused misfortunes and, having avoided any retribution, returned safely to Germany.


They could all. Mutual aid arm in 10 000 miles from home shores - Cormoran supplies submarine


Exceptionally formidable and versatile combat units. “Ghosts of the oceans”. Eternal lone wanderers who killed anyone who met on their way.

Capable of unrecognizability to change their appearance and fight in any of the climatic zones. With any possible equipment, from sleds and skis to tropical uniforms and trinkets for the inhabitants of the Pacific Islands. With powerful weapons, communications, all necessary for active hostilities, conducting cunning "radio games" and secretive intelligence.

Both the Atlantic, and the Quiet, and the Indian Oceans absorbed the reflections of the panic radio signal "QQQ", which the radio operator’s hand in the radio room, carried by the raider’s fire, hastily beat up. They absorbed it with blood and flesh, the dead hulls of hundreds of ships, victims of unknown ships. Coming “from nowhere” and going to “nowhere”.
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  1. qwert
    qwert 10 May 2016 07: 09
    +12
    Oleg, do not forget about protection. And not even armored, but constructive. Warships are built to completely different standards. And for the sinking of an armless destroyer and a merchant ship, a completely different amount of ammunition will be needed. In this case, the Germans were just lucky. It happens in the war - luck, luck. Glories, for example, was successfully sunk, Hood was also destroyed so quickly thanks to the fortune accompanying the Germans. But in any case, you cannot put an armed steamer and a specially designed cruiser on one step.
    1. Santa Fe
      10 May 2016 07: 53
      +8
      Quote: qwert
      In this case, the Germans it was just luck

      The outcome of the battle between "Cormoran" and "Sydney" is just the same

      Two enemies with enough firepower to destroy each other
      On the raider side, as always, there was a tactical surprise.
      Quote: qwert
      Do not forget about protection. And not even armor, but constructive. Warships are built on completely different standards.

      These standards relate to power, GEM, speed and maneuverability.
      And in no way affect the vitality

      What is the point in some kind of "protection" if such protection does not hold the projectiles and does not prevent the scattering of fragments. This requires armor that both did not have.
      Quote: qwert
      But in any case, you can not put an armed ship and a specially designed cruiser on one level.

      Tell about this to the sailors "Torah" and "Comet", who went around the world with battles

      And enough already to poison the stories about the "armed steamer". The article provides enough reasons (weapons, crew, communications, special equipment) to consider raiders as a separate class of warships, successfully combining the qualities of classic cruisers, destroyers and minelayers
      Quote: qwert
      And for the sinking of the bezbronnogo destroyer and merchant ship will need a completely different amount of ammunition.

      Naturally, the destroyer WWII was easier to sink. Even purely because of its small size. examples - mass
      1. Leto
        Leto 10 May 2016 08: 13
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        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        consider raiders as a separate class of warships that successfully combine the qualities of classic cruisers and destroyers

        So this is in the past, now no one will create raiders.
        1. avt
          avt 10 May 2016 09: 42
          +15
          Quote: Leto
          So this is in the past, now no one will create raiders.

          Appoint Oleg as Minister of Defense and armadillos will appear! laughing
          Quote: guzik007
          In this case, the Germans were just lucky.

          Blasphemer! Eritic! Wanted to count!? Lifetime cycle with nails! wassat Said the same
          That Australian cruiser was doomed from the start. Even if his commander were a little more experienced and cautious, even if he did not go a mile closer to the vessel being inspected, the outcome of the battle would still look like an unequivocal way. Perhaps it would have changed only the sequence of death - the first “Cormoran” sank with the whole crew, who still managed to inflict deadly wounds on “Sydney”.
          This commandment is greater than the tablets of Moses data!
          Exceptionally formidable and versatile combat units. “Ghosts of the oceans”. Eternal lone wanderers who killed anyone who met on their way.
          laughing This is what Oleg is good at - if he finds an object of adoration, then he will carry it not childishly and without looking, the scribe rushed straight over the bumps ... in the tundra! Immediately he will forget about the armor and the submarine, exactly before he finds a new object of adoration for five minutes. As with "Zamvolt", well, when at first that same super duper, and then, "suddenly" Oleg discovered that his pests had constructed. Well, in general, stability is a sign of skill. good laughing
          1. Leto
            Leto 10 May 2016 10: 12
            +5
            Quote: avt
            Forget about armor and submarines right away, just before they find a new object of adoration for five minutes

            Come on you mock, just pathos added (in excess) describing the raiders. As far as I understand the article was by May 9th.
            He did not describe the hypothetical battle of USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) vs Emma Maersk clogged with containers with Caliber ...

            1. avt
              avt 10 May 2016 10: 38
              +4
              Quote: Leto
              He did not describe the hypothetical battle of USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) vs Emma Maersk clogged with containers with Caliber ...

              Well, I would be in your place somehow more careful with this statement then ..... well, about the virtual battle, Oleg already made an approach to continue
              Exceptionally formidable and versatile combat units. “Ghosts of the oceans”. Eternal lone wanderers who killed anyone who met on their way.

              Capable of unrecognizability to change their appearance and fight in any of the climatic zones. With any possible equipment, from sleds and skis to tropical uniforms and trinkets for the inhabitants of the Pacific Islands. With powerful weapons, communications, all necessary for active hostilities, conducting cunning "radio games" and secretive intelligence.
              This is you FUTURE article, well, as a continuation of this, troll. laughing
              1. Leto
                Leto 10 May 2016 10: 49
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                Quote: avt
                Well, I would be in your place somehow more careful with this statement then ..... well, about the virtual battle, Oleg already made an approach to continue

                I think it will drag him so far, I think it is quite reasonable. But Evgeny Damantsev can, it is quite expected from him.
                Although time will tell.
                1. avt
                  avt 10 May 2016 10: 59
                  +12
                  Quote: Leto
                  Although time will tell.

                  Oleg is a passionate person by nature and somehow impulsive. He would write novels in the manner of Pikul - fantasy. I’m not kidding. I really think so and am convinced that his style quite allows him to engage in literature, and perhaps it would have turned out, and no worse than other graphomaniac who clog the shelves of bookstores with their "works".
                  Quote: Leto
                  I think it will drag him so far, I think it is quite reasonable

                  Well, again, in outright stupidity and complete ignorance of the subject described by him, he was not noticed. Well, emotional - carries him through the waves of mood wholeheartedly and beautifully.
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 11 May 2016 22: 10
          +2
          Not enough !!!

          Oleg you are lazy smile . respectfully
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    2. guzik007
      guzik007 10 May 2016 08: 26
      +3
      In this case, the Germans were just lucky.
      ----------------------------------------------
      "lucky" happens once, very rarely, twice, and absolutely incredibly, three times. When "lucky" regularly, it is called differently. You wouldn't argue that we were lucky to win the war, would you?
      1. alpamys
        alpamys 10 May 2016 09: 05
        +3
        Quote: guzik007
        In this case, the Germans were just lucky.
        ----------------------------------------------
        "lucky" happens once, very rarely, twice, and absolutely incredibly, three times. When "lucky" regularly, it is called differently. You wouldn't argue that we were lucky to win the war, would you?


        another "luck" is the seizure of Belgrade by seven SS soldiers against 1500 groups of troops and militia, this is just a masterpiece laughing
      2. Alf
        Alf 10 May 2016 21: 57
        +1
        Quote: guzik007
        "lucky" happens once, very rarely, twice, and absolutely incredibly, three times. When "lucky" regularly, it is called differently.

        As Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov used to say, Once luck, two luck, have mercy on God, and skill must be.
    3. yehat
      yehat 10 May 2016 11: 18
      0
      1. basically, a special cruiser project implies a better solution for artillery (angles, elevations, fire control, projectile delivery, etc.), a bulkhead system to preserve buoyancy, well, that’s all ... But not all cruisers had good decisions.
      2. On transport with artillery there were some difficulties, and the bulkheads and separation of the compartments could just be by chance some not the most miserable
      as a result, the transport could in reality not be inferior to the cruiser in battle.
      3. The main thing that the author said, the transport was greatly helped by the observance of maritime regulations by cruisers, which gave the tactical advantages to the transport.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 10 May 2016 13: 04
        +8
        Quote: yehat
        The main thing that the author said, the transport was greatly helped by the observance of maritime regulations by cruisers, which gave the transport tactical advantages.

        The VSKR was helped by Sydney's non-compliance with the rules.
        On the "Sydney" there was information about the presence of the enemy auxiliary cruiser in the area. Also, on the cruiser, they could roughly estimate the possible armament of the VSKR - based on similar merchant raiders from the WWII times. In addition, the unknown vessel did not give a response to the request for the secret code.
        And, nevertheless, the Australian cruiser not only climbed into the effective fire zone of the VSKR guns, but also went on to traverse it - into the fire sectors of the largest number of guns + TA.

        Here is how the Devonshire SRT acted in a similar situation ("county" with armor made of pure cardboard - 25 mm belt and turrets):
        Knowing the "peculiarities" of his ship, Captain 1st Rank Oliver raised as I wrote a seaplane (there was the same on the "Sydney"), he noticed a spot, but it was too early to draw conclusions. But Oliver, having requested the call signs and identification, gave the order to stop and backed up his demand with two "suitcases" along the course. And immediately contacted Freetown where the traffic control center was located and requested all the data on the Dutch merchant, which presented his ship to Roge ... Having received an answer and also taking into account the direction of the senior assistant that the stern contours of the "Dutchman" strongly resemble the stern of Atlantis, Oliver gave the command to circulate and opened fire from a distance beyond the reach of the enemy. After the sinking, despite the desire of the command staff to pick up the prisoners, he left the area at full speed, suspecting that an oil slick could have formed during the transfer of fuel to the submarine.
        © Santor - From the discussion of a previous article on the Sydney fight
        http://topwar.ru/89364-reyderskiy-pohod-kormorana-avstraliyskiy-poedinok.html
    4. Eugene
      Eugene 10 May 2016 16: 59
      0
      The story with "Hood" is generally off the charts! That's what bad luck means !!!
      1. yehat
        yehat 10 May 2016 17: 13
        +1
        The Hood story does not go off scale at all - the British understood the minuses in the Hood construction very well, but they were not in a hurry to fix it in favor of other projects.
        In general, the British battleships proved to be rather unstable in battle in both wars.
        That Ripals, that Rinaun, that Hood and so on. were relatively easily sunk.
        When Bismarck was locked after getting into the steering wheel, if he had maneuverability, I think he would have managed to pile on another battleship.
        1. Taoist
          Taoist 10 May 2016 17: 20
          +2
          This is unlikely ... in the second and last battle, from the first volleys, he was left without central aiming and then fired simply "towards the enemy" ...
          1. yehat
            yehat 11 May 2016 16: 20
            0
            2 towers had their guidance posts
            there were 2 central fire control posts
            The Germans couldn’t reach the battleship that was hitting from afar, but the ships were closer.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 10 May 2016 17: 31
          +1
          Quote: yehat
          That Ripals, that Rinaun, that Hood and so on. were relatively easily sunk.

          Hello, alternate reality ... Who sank Rhinaun? belay

          I'm not talking about the fact that the ships you listed are de facto battlecruisers.
          1. yehat
            yehat 11 May 2016 16: 21
            0
            battlecruiser and battleship - the difference between them is only in the standards of protection.
            and in the context of what was said, it’s just not important.
        3. Alf
          Alf 10 May 2016 22: 09
          +1
          Quote: yehat
          That Ripals, that Rinaun, that Hood and so on. were relatively easily sunk.
          When Bismarck was locked after getting into the steering wheel, if he had maneuverability, I think he would have managed to pile on another battleship.

          Ripals, Rinaun and Hood are not battleships, but battlecruisers. The British battlecruisers 1MV and 2MV were distinguished by excellent artillery, high speed and ... worthless booking. In these projects, protection was sacrificed for speed. The fallacy of such a concept was revealed during the battle of Jutland, in which the German battlecruisers, being severely beaten, came home, albeit on the deck in the water. Example-Seidlitz, while, having received only three hit shells, the British battlecruisers measured the depth.
    5. leshiy076
      leshiy076 11 May 2016 08: 21
      +2
      It was absolutely not a matter of luck. Simply mediocrity of the commander of "Sydney" led to the fact that he lost a warship. To admit an unknown ship to 800 m while not aiming a single gun at it, or asking whether a Dutch ship is in the area, or raising a seaplane that was on a cruiser, in general, behavior worthy of an amateur. There is nothing surprising in the fact that Detmers managed to deal with him like a child. And if not for the stock of anchor mines that were on the "Cormoran" at that moment, this battle would have been won outright by the raider. However, history has not forgotten to take care of examples. The meeting between the British cruiser Devonshire and the raider Atlantic ended with a completely opposite result. The reason for this is just the correct actions of the ship commander when meeting with an unfamiliar ship during wartime.
    6. yehat
      yehat 11 May 2016 10: 55
      +3
      I’m wondering, the Germans are so actively criticized - and the daughlands were rubbish, and raiders like the one presented were doomed disabled, and as a result the submarines turned out to be powerless.
      But the Germans understood that without stopping the supply of the sea, England could not be defeated.
      What raiding strategy would you suggest?
      Are you specifically? Suppose you had 10 years to prepare, the same part of the Kriegsmarine budget and knowledge of history, what would you do?
  2. sevtrash
    sevtrash 10 May 2016 07: 10
    +1
    It seems that the Germans have an innate talent for making weapons, whatever they do is almost perfect. However, they are not weapons either, they have very good cars.
    1. Santa Fe
      10 May 2016 08: 07
      +8
      Quote: sevtrash
      Germans have an innate talent for making weapons, whatever they do - almost perfect

      Especially "King Tigers" with their lifeless transmission
      Or Leopard-2 - whose shells roll on the floor in the fighting compartment of the tank. masterpiece

      However, there is an expert about this.
      Quote: sevtrash
      their cars are doing very well.

      So change the oil filter at Volkswagen. First, find where he is and how to get to him

      Check out leaking gaskets and eternal "snot" in folk engines. Problematic mechatron (trade winds -06 ruined everything! Five years later there was a recall of thousands of cars due to gearbox solenoids)

      If you say, Volks is not a real German, a real BMW. Then get ready to refuel the viper with premium AI-98, strictly pass MOT at the appointed time and overpay for it such a heap of money, which will be enough for two cars of the same class, but with a Japan / Korea / USA nameplate. Not to mention the price of spare parts (which will be required as often as for "ordinary" cars).

      Lovers of German cars. Played in Need For Speed ​​and seen enough beautiful pictures in contact
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 10 May 2016 08: 19
        +5
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        So change the oil filter at Volkswagen. First, find where he is and how to get to him

        To do this, in the West they came up with service stations and a self-respecting burgher will not climb under the hood in search of an oil filter, but will drive specialists who are specially trained for such matters wink lol
        1. AK64
          AK64 10 May 2016 10: 56
          +2
          To do this, in the West they came up with service stations and a self-respecting burgher will not climb under the hood in search of an oil filter, but will drive specialists who are specially trained for such matters

          Tell me a price question.

          To make it clear: "in the West" BMW is bought only as a CORPORATE car, that is, at the expense of tax evasion. But never myself --- only Russians and Chinese buy such happiness
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          3. alpamys
            alpamys 11 May 2016 11: 25
            -1
            Quote: AK64


            To make it clear: "in the West" BMW is bought only as a CORPORATE car, that is, at the expense of tax evasion. But never myself --- only Russians and Chinese buy such happiness
            Cho nonsense, in Germany it’s like a fret viburnum in Russia, whoever wants and buys.
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      3. lis-ik
        lis-ik 10 May 2016 08: 20
        +8
        For more than 20 years I have been driving it in German cars. Basically, there were BMWs, 98 was filled with turbo only (brother is a fan of engine tuning), the rest eat fine 95. but despite this I think that the real BMWs ended up on the E-38, E-46, E-39 models, and the last the successful engine was the M-50, I don’t say anything about the M-20, it’s a legend! At the moment, his wife has had Golf-7 Foltz for almost three years, the engine is still completely dry, and did not notice any leaks on early models. And you Oleg probably like American cars?
        1. Santa Fe
          10 May 2016 09: 14
          +1
          Quote: lis-ik
          the rest are great 95

          Well, fill it in the top three, starting with Е90 and enjoy the show
          she will go so that will be ashamed
          and soon, wait for the check-engine. oxygen sensor will fly

          Statements that this will not happen, pour AI-95 and the motor works like a clock - are not considered as obviously absurd, it’s silly to argue with that, as well as with the third law of Newton
          Quote: lis-ik
          and the last successful engine was M-50, I don’t say a legend about M-20 at all!

          Searched the internet, turned 1977 year

          What to remember about him is in general another era, retro.
          Quote: lis-ik
          At the moment, his wife for almost three years Foltz Golf-7, the engine is still completely dry

          And let it remain the same good
          Quote: lis-ik
          And you probably Oleg like American cars?

          The black day was 28 April 2016
          Akura announced the termination of sales in Russia.

          So Honda. Honda is my favorite.
          In fact, there are no complaints about the Americans. Great cars, they don't mess with trivia, walk 200 for miles. Relatively cheap service staff. Made for every taste and wallet.
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 10 May 2016 09: 50
            +5
            Statements that this will not happen, pour AI-95 and the motor works like a clock - are not considered as obviously absurd, it’s silly to argue with that, as well as with the third law of Newton
            You seem to be a great physicist? We'll have to grieve you, you are far from Einstein. Engines of serial German cars, I emphasize, "serial", not tuned, are designed to work with fuel, whose octane number does not exceed AI-95. At the same time, for motors, exceeding the octane number is no less harmful than lowering it. Another thing is that a significant part of American engines are designed to work with gasoline, whose octane number starts at around A-70. Although most of the owners of these cars do not even know about it. And the failure of the oxygen sensor (lambda probe) is associated with a large amount of soot in the exhaust, that is, not with the octane number, but with an excess of the resin content in the gasoline.
            In essence, there are no complaints against the Americans. Great cars, they don’t get along on trifles, they go 200k miles
            With proper maintenance and operation, most German and Japanese engines live about 500 thousand kilometers. As for American motors, they are more designed for operation by a "teapot". They more easily survive the flooding of low-quality oil or fuel, or overheating.
          2. lis-ik
            lis-ik 10 May 2016 10: 41
            +2
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Searched the internet, turned 1977 year

            This was the beginning of the release of the M-20x line, they were constantly improved and developed, complete with the Motronic control system were produced until 1990. A beautiful in-line six, if necessary, carried 92 gasoline, the system adjusted the ignition and nothing rang, but this is an extreme case. As for the E-90, I don't think these bodies are already BMWs, but gasoline has nothing to do with it, they are strangled under green norms, the control must be reconfigured and the car will go as it should and at 95 (I say this is the native octane number for civilian BMWs), there are other problems enough. Of the little things, the eternally flowing valve covers, and there are enough problems with electronics.
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          5. lis-ik
            lis-ik 10 May 2016 10: 45
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            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            April 28, 2016, Akura announced the cessation of sales in Russia. So Honda. Honda is my favorite

            But still, Honda is for the American market.
      4. AK64
        AK64 10 May 2016 11: 00
        +1
        I agree with the rapporteur about wheelbarrows: German wheelbarrows are very popular: it may have been so in the 60s, but not today.
        The price-quality ratio, taking into account the service, is much better even for the Frenchmen.

        As an example: British taxi drivers drive a Frenchwoman. I was surprised and asked "why?" Answer: price-quality-service life is TWICE better than others.

        But the French are far from the best in this matter.

        The Germans are PR and only PR: there were wonderful scandals, from a little-known example, when the super-tightened Mercy was corny ... did not slow down. And I had to recall them.
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        2. lis-ik
          lis-ik 10 May 2016 11: 13
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          Find out how much the spare parts for the French and the Germans cost, the comparison will not be in favor of the former. I remember I had a Renault-Kangu, the upper engine mount flew off the price of six years ago was 2700, for BMW it is several times cheaper and so in many ways. Renault "Logan" is really not a killing car for a taxi, but who would think of using a BMW as a taxi in Moscow? There is a completely different policy, namely "Driving pleasure"!
          1. AK64
            AK64 10 May 2016 12: 39
            0
            Find out how much the parts for the French and the Germans cost, the comparison will not be in favor of the first.


            Why should I "learn"? I flew to Glasgow, and I SEE that all, or almost all, taxi drivers in Renault-Peugeot-Citroen. I ask "why is that?" Answer: "so taking into account the cost of service - half the price."

            So why should I find out anything else? I do not believe a taxi driver? So I myself was very surprised by this French dominance, I had never seen this, and therefore I asked a taxi driver.

            Here you are WHERE these prices "find out"? I mean in which city? In Germany or in MSC? Or, say, in Seville und Grenada?

            Yes, there was a time, the end of the 90s - it happened in the 2000s --- when all taxi drivers bought Mercedes - apparently it was more profitable. But that time quickly ended.

            Try to understand: a taxi is a business, and there expenses and incomes are accurately generated.
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            2. lis-ik
              lis-ik 10 May 2016 12: 53
              +2
              I have worked in a taxi for a lot, including my own car. In terms of price-quality ratio and to get into the comfort class, the best is "Ford Focus" or "Octavia", but this is in Moscow. For the French, with the exception of "Logan", which is produced in Moscow, the French are very expensive to maintain!
          2. 19001900
            19001900 10 May 2016 22: 12
            +1
            who helped you this way ??? She and now, after 6 years, the price is lower than the original, not to mention the clones. That's what Renault has a full ass with a handle is a catalog. (you know the code is fine, but there is a nuance, so to speak ....... :() However, it is clear if everyone will know who will go to the server. If it's not a secret, what modification was it?
        3. Verdun
          Verdun 10 May 2016 13: 33
          +1
          I agree with the rapporteur about wheelbarrows: German wheelbarrows are very popular: it may have been so in the 60s, but not today.
          From the moment when financiers began to take over the leadership of car companies, putting the momentary profit of shareholders at the forefront, the quality of cars of all brands has decreased. Of course, the brand value of German cars is greatly overestimated. At the same time, in the modern automotive industry, the concept of "design school" begins to lose its meaning, since in order to save money, companies buy ready-made modular platforms from each other. This is rather sad, because as a result, even buying a car of a well-known brand, you essentially become the owner of some transnational salad, averaged in taste and price. And this applies not only to the German car industry, but to the entire car industry as a whole.
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          2. lis-ik
            lis-ik 10 May 2016 13: 52
            0
            I agree with you about the brand, compared to the time I bought Golf-7 classmates I overpaid for the logo, at first the toad was strangling, but after three years, I absolutely do not regret it. The machine was mainly used on long hauls, mainly in the Rostov region. What is the M-4 Don highway at times is not necessary to say in winter, the machine pulled out of hopeless situations. A completely new platform for the line is the MQ-5 and it has paid off. This winter, after snowfalls in the Voronezh, Tula and Moscow regions, I thought I couldn’t get there (this is when I was 30 years old), and thank God, the car kept the road where it seemed impossible anymore. But what can I say, this trip to mother-in-law has been remembered by me and my wife for a long time. Still says thank you, but I think thanks to the car!
      5. sevtrash
        sevtrash 10 May 2016 16: 05
        -1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Especially "King Tigers" with their lifeless transmission
        Or Leopard-2 - whose shells roll on the floor in the fighting compartment of the tank. masterpiece

        Will you argue that German tank building was the best during World War II? With the exception of quantity, perhaps. And that Leopard is one of the best modern tanks?
        Of course, based on the position - nothing is perfect.

        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Lovers of German cars. Played in Need For Speed ​​and seen enough beautiful pictures in contact

        I have to say right away - I’m not German, Japanese, and I’m happy with my own. But the impression was that German cars were a bit of a reference. Of course, not without flaws, who do not have them. And, of course, much more determines the brand and model where it was collected. And the same level of service under which the machine is produced. And yet, collectively - history, reviews, impressions - German seem to be the best. This is my opinion, someone may have something else.
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 10 May 2016 18: 21
          +1
          But the impression was that German cars were a bit of a reference.
          The Germans are good mechanics. But unfortunately, in modern cars, the quality of mechanics recedes into the background, giving way to electronics and technological efficiency of the design. Electronics often even begin to mask flaws in the mechanical structure. And technological efficiency is far from always on friendly terms with constructive reliability. But this is a general, so to speak, global trend. And in this trend, the Germans are trying with one way or another to maintain their traditions. This allows them to sell their products a little more expensive.
    2. kugelblitz
      kugelblitz 10 May 2016 08: 23
      +10
      Yes, here they just armed a diesel-electric ship, by the way, its power plant was very problematic. "Sydney" distinguished itself by inflicting heavy damage on the Italian cruiser "Bartolomeo Colleoni", which, although it was a cardboard, but nevertheless a warship with serious SLA and speed. With a good commander, he would not have left the Cormoran a chance.

    3. yehat
      yehat 10 May 2016 11: 22
      0
      what does the weapon have to do with it? brilliant tactical find (idea) + perseverance in its implementation
      that's all
  3. Serg65
    Serg65 10 May 2016 07: 33
    +15
    "That Australian cruiser was doomed from the very beginning. Even if its commander had been a little more experienced and more careful, even if he had not come a mile to the inspected ship, the outcome of the battle would still look unambiguous."
    Oleg, this is a very bold statement! Especially when you consider that the cruiser and the raider got close on a pistol shot in 7 cables, while most of the Australian crew gathered on the upper deck and stared at the strange ship. Five Flaks literally swept from the deck a significant part of the rotozeys and did not allow the small-caliber artillery of the cruiser to be put into operation. The Detmers frigate experience was far greater than that of Capt Barnett. Yes, for some reason you forgot to mention that this battle was the last for both ships.
    1. Santa Fe
      10 May 2016 08: 28
      -2
      Quote: Serg65
      Especially when you consider that the cruiser and the raider got close to the pistol shot at the 7 cable

      Kilometer 1,3 - Guns Shoot Far Away
      Quote: Serg65
      Five Flacs literally swept from the deck a significant part of the rozoevs and did not allow the small-caliber artillery of the cruiser to be put into action.

      What for? What is the meaning of it when six inches are firing and torpedoes are rushing

      The raider, using the uncertainty factor, would still have shot and fired torpedoes earlier (or simultaneously) with the cruiser. With a fatal result for both
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 10 May 2016 09: 25
        +5
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        What for? What is the meaning of it when six inches are firing and torpedoes are rushing

        what Ahhh, well, yes, I forgot that six-inch grind like a machine gun !!! Sorry hi
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Kilometer 1,3 - Guns Shoot Far Away

        bully Are you eating? The distance is 1300 meters, even from such a distance the first volley did not bring success to non-Germans, not Australians.
        Oleg. quite recently you sang praises to the "Red Caucasus", but today you extol the "huckster" and interfere with the dirt of a colleague of "Red Caucasus" and where is the sequence ???
        1. Santa Fe
          10 May 2016 09: 36
          0
          Quote: Serg65
          Ahhh, well, yes, I forgot that the six-inch shmaylyayut like a machine gun !!!

          And what do you want to say

          What will the small anti-aircraft guns decide WHEN THE SHIPS HAVE ALREADY thrust ten 6 "shells into each other and even managed to fire torpedoes?
          Quote: Serg65
          The distance of 1300 meters, even from such a distance, the first volley did not bring success not to the Germans, not to the Australians.

          A living example is Penguin fight with Cornwall.

          The Germans broke his steering wheel. Fortunately for Cornwall, its caliber 203 mm, the power of projectiles is such that one or two successful hits are enough. And so, if the battle was delayed - it is not yet known who would have gone to the bottom

          Or say Cornwall got too close too?
          1. Maegrom
            Maegrom 10 May 2016 10: 00
            +1
            Cornwall also lost command, and with it the ability to immediately begin anti-torpedo maneuvering, and half of the artillery before the return fire?
            1. Santa Fe
              10 May 2016 10: 04
              -1
              Quote: Maegrom
              Cornwall also lost command, and with it the opportunity to immediately begin anti-torpedo maneuvering, and half the artillery before the return fire?

              In all sources - "Sydney" and "Cormoran" almost simultaneously (the difference in seconds) opened fire at each other
              1. Maegrom
                Maegrom 10 May 2016 10: 26
                +1
                http://tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic.php?id=910
                Reconstruction option. The return fire began before it hit the bridge or not, of course, now it’s hard to determine. Also in the reconstruction, the towers A and B were silent, not connected with the hit of torpedoes, which is debatable.
                Before that, I read another description, in it more attention was paid to the negligence of the Sydney command.
              2. Maegrom
                Maegrom 10 May 2016 10: 51
                +2
                There are other versions that are much closer to me:
                Quote from the same place "... found an interesting document. Written to justify the Sydney commander Joseph Barnett. The authors - Warren and Gilles Whittaker - question the existing version of the battle. They believe that the Sydney commander could not come close to the Cormoran" 1 km, because: 1. it was forbidden by the instructions of the Admiralty. 2. he knew about the presence of the raider in these waters and said that he would definitely find him. The Whittakers believe that Detmers misled the command of the allies. The arguments are: 1. inconsistencies in his testimony, given at different times, and in the testimony of the team members. 2. It took not 150 seconds to prepare the 15-mm guns for battle, but 2-3 minutes (reference to the testimony of the former artilleryman of "Cormoran"), and during this time " Sydney "would have had time to shoot the raider from close range - after all, his guns were aimed at the Germans. In fact, the authors say, Detmers raised a white flag and agreed to surrender, and when Sydney came close to him, he fired a torpedo from an underwater vehicle left about the sides (the Australians, who closely watched the raider's decks and superstructures, did not know about this raider weapon). This is confirmed by the sailor of the "Cormoran" Hans Linge, who claimed that the "Sydney" first walked around the "Cormoran" (which was possible only if the Germans stopped the cars, showing that they were surrendering), and the first torpedo was fired at it from an underwater vehicle , not from a paired surface. The battle began with a sudden explosion of a torpedo in the bow of the Sydney, and this prevented the Australians from responding in a timely manner. Since it is a war crime to open fire after raising a white flag, Detmers and his officers covered it up in their testimony, saying that they first raised the German flag, then fired torpedoes and opened artillery fire. Again, according to the Whittakers, all of this took 2-3 minutes - too long, long enough for the Cormoran to be sunk by Sydney.
                1. Verdun
                  Verdun 10 May 2016 13: 53
                  0
                  There are other versions that are closer to me
                  And there is also the assumption that some German raiders were constantly accompanied by submarines and performed the role not so much of combat units as a kind of "bait" and floating supply bases.
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 10 May 2016 10: 44
            +2
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            The Germans broke his steering wheel. Fortunately for Cornwall, its caliber 203 mm, the power of projectiles is such that one or two successful hits are enough. And so, if the battle was delayed - it is not yet known who would have gone to the bottom

            Or say Cornwall got too close too?

            Well, firstly, the steering wheel of the "Cornwall" was not damaged, the steering gear cables were removed for a short time ... and these are two big differences! If the fight dragged on ?! Oleg. unfortunately I am no longer a schoolboy and have some idea of ​​naval combat. At a distance of 13 miles, the old German 6 "guns did not pose any danger to the British, and you know very well that the captain-zur-see Kruder, realizing this, ordered the Kingstones to be opened .... only after that the 4-gun salvo of the British covered “Penguin.” What continuation of the fight are you trying to tell me about?
          3. yehat
            yehat 10 May 2016 11: 31
            +3
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

            What will the small anti-aircraft guns decide?

            The ship, if there is no combat alert, the crew is anywhere
            To move around the fighting posts and make the ship operational, you need a regrouping of the team and partly on open decks
            Now imagine how to do this under the fire of anti-aircraft guns + the first panic. Anti-aircraft guns, at least, won part of the time, slowing down the mobilization of the ship. Add to this the symbolic reservation of both the hull and superstructures: anti-aircraft guns could very significantly affect the reaction speed of the ship and reduce its combat effectiveness.
            1. goose
              goose 11 May 2016 14: 14
              0
              Yeah, before there were no through passages inside the ships, and the sailors' cubes were most often in the stern, closer to the noise of ship engines. I had to climb onto the deck.
              1. yehat
                yehat 11 May 2016 14: 29
                0
                and you do not confuse the layout of the passenger liner with wide corridors, wide stairs + rows of doors of luxury cabins and a light cruiser?
      2. yehat
        yehat 10 May 2016 11: 27
        0
        it’s easier to get into a ship with a cannon from a kilometer than with a pistol with 50 m per person
      3. Riv
        Riv 10 May 2016 13: 11
        0
        Thoreds do not "rush". They "pierce the thickness with slippery bodies ..." - he read and admired.
  4. Nicola Bari
    Nicola Bari 10 May 2016 07: 35
    0
    Thanks for the article - I have never met such an artistically interesting description of German WWII raiders. It makes it possible to look from a different perspective on the possibility of overcoming resource limitations, including. However, none of the tricks undertaken helped the Germans.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 10 May 2016 07: 54
      +6
      Igor Bunich "Pirates of the Fuhrer". The raid of "Atlantis", and at the same time of "Admiral von Spee" with "Scharnhorst" is described in artistic language hi
      1. Leto
        Leto 10 May 2016 08: 10
        +1
        Quote: Rurikovich
        Igor Bunich "Pirates of the Fuhrer"

        Notable book. One of the best at Bunich.
      2. Nicola Bari
        Nicola Bari 10 May 2016 10: 34
        0
        Thank you.
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    3. avt
      avt 10 May 2016 10: 48
      +4
      Quote: Nicola Bari
      I have never met such an artistically interesting description of the German raiders of WWII.

      Oh really !?? And on this subject Denis Brig posted an article on the website, "Torpedo" passed by and did not hurt? And much better in detail and no less artistic.
      1. Nicola Bari
        Nicola Bari 10 May 2016 19: 42
        0
        The torpedo passed by - did not read).
    4. yehat
      yehat 10 May 2016 11: 34
      -3
      if tricks hadn’t helped them, they would not have even coped with Poland in the year 39.
  5. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz 10 May 2016 07: 45
    0
    I read this amazing story, a mixture of heroism, slovenliness, adventurism, and just as a rare case of how a merchant managed to sink a cruiser. At the same time, as I remember, "Sydney" before that distinguished itself in the Mediterranean Sea, sending an Italian light cruiser to the bottom.
  6. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 10 May 2016 07: 46
    +3
    And here is a small summary of the activities of the auxiliary cruiser "Cormoran":
    Sank and captured 11 ships and 1 ship of the enemy (68274 gross):
    1. Steamboat “Antonis” (Greece) 6.01.41 (3729 gb) (cargo-coal)
    2. Diz. British Union tanker (England, 1927) 18.01.41/6987/46 (36 brt) (+ XNUMX, captured XNUMX)
    3. Refrigerated steamer "African Star" (England, 1926) 29.01.41/11900/5708 (1 gt) (cargo - 76 tons of meat) (+ XNUMX, captured - XNUMX)
    4. Steamboat “Evrilokh” (England, 1912) 29.01.41/5723/16 (15 gt) (cargo - 38 heavy bombers) (+ XNUMX, captured - XNUMX)
    5. Diz. tanker Egnita (England, 1931) 22.03.41/3552/38 (XNUMX gross vehicles) (in ballast) (XNUMX people taken prisoner)
    6. Diz. Tanker "Canadaolight" (Canada) 25.03.41/11309/XNUMX (XNUMX gross vehicles) (in ballast) (Captured as a prize)
    7. Cargo ship (dry cargo ship) "Craftsman" (England, 1922) 9.04.41/8022/6 (46 gross vehicles) (cargo - a large anti-submarine network) (+ XNUMX, captured - XNUMX)
    8. The cargo ship "Nicholas D.L." (Greece) 12.04.41/5486/XNUMX (XNUMX gt) (cargo - timber forest)
    9. Freight ship (dry cargo ship) “Velebit” (Yugoslavia) 26.06.41/4153/XNUMX (XNUMX gt) (in ballast)
    10. The cargo ship Mariba (England, 1921) 26.06.41/3472/5000 (26 gt) (cargo - 25 tons of sugar) (+ XNUMX, captured XNUMX)
    11. Steamboat Stamatios Embirikos (Greece) 26.09.41/3941/XNUMX (XNUMX gross)
    12. L. kr-r "Sydney" (Australia, 1935) 19.11.41/6830/9275 (171,4/17,3 t., 5,8x72000x32,5 m., 4 hp, 2 knots, 152x4-1 mm, 102x3-4 mm, 12,7x2-4 mm, 533x645-XNUMX mm TA) (+ XNUMX)
    A plus sign indicates the death toll.
    It is also worth mentioning that as a result of the battle with Sydney, 7 people died on the Cormoran (the entire crew of 645 people on the Sydney).
  7. Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 10 May 2016 07: 47
    0
    Quote: from the Article
    And here - from the testimony of Soviet officers on board raider “Comets":

    It was not a raider. It is not forbidden to book cabin and other posts of merchant ships by marine conventions, and this is constantly being done, for example, against piracy and for better protection of merchant ships during the war.

    Our song is good, will we start over?
    http://topwar.ru/94701-voennye-mili-ashhabada.html#comment-id-5860438
    And you with the holiday of the Great Victory, "Sweet-16" lol
    1. Santa Fe
      10 May 2016 08: 38
      +3
      Quote: Papandopulo
      Reserving wheelhouse and other posts of merchant ships is not prohibited by maritime conventions.

      And sometimes six-inches can also be set

      having on board three hundred mines and rails for rolling them overboard
      Quote: Papandopulo
      It was not a raider

      It was a yacht with scarlet sails.
      1. Papandopulo
        Papandopulo 10 May 2016 09: 19
        -2
        Were the rails mounted, or were they both brought to Japan to buy / sell?

        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        It was a yacht with scarlet sails.

        In any case, not with such
        http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/2/4/7/2178742.jpg
        1. Santa Fe
          10 May 2016 09: 39
          +1
          Quote: Papandopulo
          Were the rails mounted, or were they both brought to Japan to buy / sell?

          There, in Japan, bought 300 sailors
          1. Maegrom
            Maegrom 10 May 2016 09: 52
            0
            Oleg. What, what, and placing 300 sailors in the holds of a ship of such a displacement is not a problem. I do not rule out the deliberate withdrawal of the Soviet auxiliary German cruiser by the Northern Sea Route, but evidence for this charge is needed. You have not provided any of them yet.
            The argument that the ship was armed was already in Japan, you are not even rejected - are ignored.
            1. Santa Fe
              10 May 2016 10: 01
              +5
              Quote: Maegrom
              and to place the 300 sailors in the ship’s holds such a displacement does not amount to

              Why hide them in the hold
              Quote: Maegrom
              I do not exclude the conscious wire of the USSR auxiliary German cruiser by the northern sea route, but for such an accusation we need proof. You have not provided any.

              What evidence is needed if a special expedition expedition (EON) raider HKS-7 Komet got from the Barents Sea to the Pacific Ocean along the NSR

              Due to the military nature of the German steamer, bring it back west with one of the icebreakers of your choice. Lightning his position twice a day. Radiating the performance. ”
              - radiogram of the chief of the Northern Sea Route Ivan Papanin, 25 August 1940

              Left without reaction
              Quote: Maegrom
              The argument that the ship was armed was already in Japan, you are not even rejected - are ignored.

              "Komet" has never been to Japan.
              1. Papandopulo
                Papandopulo 10 May 2016 10: 35
                -1
                SWAG? Could have arrived with a B-1 / B-2 visa
                http://visa-vi.ru/turisticheskaya-viza-v-ameriku-v-ssha-samostoyatelno/
                1. Papandopulo
                  Papandopulo 11 May 2016 10: 23
                  -2
                  Why should the whole crew eat corned beef in the Arctic, freeze their ears and risk being covered in ice? By train through France and Spain, then luxury class by steamer from Standard Oil through the Panama Canal, or from the east coast to the west, to Alaska ...
                  Yes, even so, the USA was a completely neutral country, they entered the war six months later than the USSR lol
                  and then for a look, because Hitler announced it from afar, and a year later, in distant Algeria.
                2. Papandopulo
                  Papandopulo 11 May 2016 10: 23
                  -2
                  http://cs622924.vk.me/v622924021/28c54/WTm6Z_uBXXc.jpg
                  close-up and a little in color, the Germans, over New York, they’re bringing something like that ... go just going somewhere ... lol
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              3. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 10 May 2016 13: 39
                +1
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                "Komet" has never been to Japan.

                It was once once - when the artillery fire defeated a port in Japanese about. Nauru (Mandated Japanese Territory). smile
                When approaching the port of Nauru at dawn on December 27, 1940, a motor boat with armed "parliamentarians" was lowered from the raider, who landed ashore with cameramen and handed ultimatums to representatives of local authorities and the coast radio station. In it, R. IJssen reported on the upcoming bombardment of coastal industrial facilities owned by British and Dutch corporations, imposing, under the threat of physical destruction of their personnel, a categorical ban on broadcasting any information about what was happening. In response, the administration of Nauru reported that it accepts these conditions and is committed to meeting the requirements.

                Soon, “Komet” began shelling from all the guns of industrial enterprises and port facilities of the harbor: warehouses, overpasses, warehouses and huge tanks with fuel, which led to great damage, explosions and fires. After an hour of shelling, when all the intended targets were destroyed, the raider withdrew from the island at full speed and was lost in the ocean. According to R. IJssen, due to the measures taken in advance during the shelling of the port and other facilities, “there was not a single victim, not a single person was injured”. Check this failed.

                The attack on the island of Nauru by a German raider was a sensation, and reports about it on the first pages of the world press and in radio station reports went around all countries, causing a wave of indignation and protests. Comments on and about the sinking of unarmed merchant ships by the German auxiliary cruisers in the Pacific Ocean, as well as in the Atlantic and Indian, for several weeks did not leave the pages of the world press. Ally of Germany, Japan was also unhappy. Through her ambassador in Berlin, she expressed a negative attitude towards the incident, because as a result of the German fleet’s action on the island of Nauru, the Land of the Rising Sun lost for several years the supply of phosphates - the most valuable military and agricultural raw materials. Japan explicitly stated that such actions by Kriegsmarine could affect Japanese-German cooperation and cause restrictions on the service of German ships in its ports and in the supply of German raiders in the Pacific. In turn, the German naval attache in Tokyo stated that such actions by the German auxiliary cruisers "should not have taken place" in relation to the mandatory islands of Japan. As a result, the German naval command "recouped" on the commander of the Komet raider Robert Eissen: following the assignment to him on January 1, 1941, the rank of counter-admiral "for special services to the Reich and the people of Germany," he received a severe reprimand from the same command Kriegsmarine with a warning that for the wrong actions of the "auxiliary cruiser, he can pay and prematurely ruin his military career." Of course. Eissen understood that the censure of the attack and defeat of the island of Nauru is purely formal in favor of offended Japan and will not affect his future fate.
                1. Papandopulo
                  Papandopulo 11 May 2016 09: 57
                  -1
                  Many times been ...
                  1. Papandopulo
                    Papandopulo 11 May 2016 10: 13
                    -1
                    Like many other raiders.
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  8. Sergiys_Praim
    Sergiys_Praim 10 May 2016 08: 20
    +10
    The Sydney commander showed criminal frivolity when he met the raider. He allowed to close the distance to such a distance, when his advantage over the raider was nullified. According to the existing rules, warships were not supposed to approach the raiders closer than ten kilometers - in this case, the raider was powerless to do anything with the cruiser or destroyer. Giving the Cormoran the opportunity from the first seconds of the battle, using surprise, to destroy the captain's bridge and the radio room, Sydney immediately put itself in a difficult situation, and the result was a case unique in the history of war - a merchant ship (even if equipped for raiding) was able to sink cruiser.
    A kilometer distance in modern naval combat is almost never found - this is tantamount to a duel when the opponents are a step away from each other.
    The distance between the ships was so small that "Cormoran" successfully launched all the anti-aircraft machine guns, which literally devastated the deck of the cruiser. The cruiser was silent, as if stunned by the audacity of a small merchant ship, and only after the sixth salvo of the Cormoran did all of the Sydney's guns, except for two disabled, hit the raider. The shells penetrated the light skin of the Cormoran and exploded in the engine room. But by this time the raider had already managed to fire a salvo from torpedo tubes, and two torpedoes hit the cruiser.
    The cruiser lost speed and began to lag behind. Despite the fact that a column of smoke rose from the engine room of the Cormoran - there was a fire raging there - the raider was leaving at a speed of fifteen knots, and the torpedoes fired by the Sydney did not hit him. Within minutes it became clear that the battle was coming to an end. "Cormoran" was forced to stop the cars, and all forces were thrown into extinguishing the fire. The Sydney fired only from small caliber guns: its turrets were out of order. At half past six in the evening, the last shot of this battle rang out, and the Sydney, almost losing control and leaning heavily on board, disappeared over the horizon. The fire on the "Cormoran" could not be extinguished, and, fearing that the fire was about to reach the mine cellars, the raider captain ordered everyone to leave the ship. Half an hour after the last sailor got into the boat, the Cormoran exploded. For some time on the horizon, you could still make out the faint reflection of the burning Sydney.

    Apparently, the Australian cruiser sank quite suddenly. Despite the fact that the coast was not far away and rescue ships combed the entire area and found all boats and rafts from the "Cormoran" without exception, not one of the 650 officers and sailors of the "Sydney" could be found. All that remained of the cruiser was an inflatable boat, pierced by shrapnel, which was washed ashore by a wave two weeks later.
  9. unknown
    unknown 10 May 2016 09: 13
    +4
    Indeed, the case is exotic. But there were others.

    On November 11, 1942, the Ondina tanker (1 * 102 mm) and the Bengal minesweeper (1 * 76mm) were forced to engage in battle with two Japanese auxiliary cruisers (8 * 140mm, 2 * 80mm each).

    The result of the battle: one auxiliary cruiser sank.
    Allied losses: on the tanker - five dead, including the captain, one seriously wounded. On the minesweeper, no one was killed or injured.
    1. Santa Fe
      10 May 2016 09: 26
      +3
      Quote: ignoto
      On November 11, 1942, the Ondina tanker (1 * 102 mm) and the Bengal minesweeper (1 * 76mm) were forced to engage in battle with two Japanese auxiliary cruisers (8 * 140mm, 2 * 80mm each).

      The result of the battle: one auxiliary cruiser sank.

      The shell hit the torpedo tube

      The Japanese and "real" cruisers sank with one hit
      the death of the TKR "Chokai" from the hit of a 127 mm projectile from the escort aircraft carrier "White Plains". Guess where he got to
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 10 May 2016 11: 40
        0
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        the death of the TKR "Chokai" from the hit of a 127 mm projectile from the escort aircraft carrier "White Plains". Guess where he got to

        There, the Avengers were also lucky with AVE ... a direct hit into the nasal MO, after which the BZZ became impossible.
        The Chokai, along with Tikuma, Tone, and Haguro, participated in the sinking of the escort aircraft carrier Gambier Bay, the destroyers Roberta (escort) and Johnston, before being attacked by carrier-based aircraft in 0850. Around 0905, 227 kg bombs hit it, causing severe damage to the bow of the MO and severe fires, which caused the cruiser to lose speed. According to American data, these were TVM-1c aircraft from the mixed squadron VC-5 of the aircraft carrier Kitkun Bay (according to other sources from the Nathon Bay).
  10. Verdun
    Verdun 10 May 2016 09: 22
    +2
    The article is not bad and I will probably give the author a plus. But I would like to note a couple of points. Firstly, the actions of the German raiders became possible because Germany was preoccupied with the creation of supply bases for its ships. Moreover, often these bases were located in countries that did not officially participate in the war. Secondly, most of the raiders' combat successes are associated with the surprise of their attack. And if civilian ships had practically no chance, the captain of the Sydney had to be vigilant and the ship had to be ready to repel the strike. It might not have helped save him, but at least it would have allowed him to damage the enemy.
  11. DM51
    DM51 10 May 2016 09: 47
    +2
    If you say, the Volks is not a real German, the real one is a BMW. Then get ready to fill the viper with premium AI-98

    What nonsense, Oleg, thanks to Valvetronic in BMW you can pour from 92 to 98, again you twist the facts? But in Honda with such a "drygatel" you will definitely have to pour 98
    https://www.drive.ru/spy/honda/572b5506ec05c45416000534.html
    And the viper is Dodge Viper, it looks like you know better about boats than about cars
  12. Santa Fe
    10 May 2016 09: 53
    -7
    In August 1940, the raider “Komet” (the operational code Kriegsmarine HKS-7, in British intelligence reports “Raider B”) was secretly carried directly to the rear of the Anglo-Saxons by the Northern Sea Route.

    Another episode of tearing the pattern of military cooperation between the USSR and the fascist Reich

    Expedition special purpose (EON) with the participation of three icebreakers, with the issuance of a German for a Soviet ship, held in the strictest confidence, like any military operation
    1. Taoist
      Taoist 10 May 2016 14: 24
      +1
      Who cares and which template is torn? If the author ... then apparently he had a shitty template ... ;-)
      1. Papandopulo
        Papandopulo 11 May 2016 09: 53
        +1
        Very, very shitty ...

        German transport went disguised as "Semyon Dezhnev" only along the coast of occupied Norway, the Germans often disguised themselves as Soviet merchant ships in the Atlantic, as well as Japanese in the Pacific and Indian Oceans

        This transport went along the Northern Sea Route as part of the convoy under the quite German name "Donau".
        In the raider, he was redone only in the Pacific Ocean.
  13. DM51
    DM51 10 May 2016 09: 54
    +10
    In short, I understood what Kaptsov was leading to: it’s necessary to disguise Zvolvt like this. And then for sure tryndets
    1. Taoist
      Taoist 10 May 2016 14: 23
      +5
      And imagine what an afront would have turned out ... the lids of the cargo holds open and from there "calibers, calibers" ... five hundred thousand of one "caliber" (c) ;-)
  14. Per se.
    Per se. 10 May 2016 09: 57
    +7
    For comparison: any destroyer of that era carried four or five universal guns of a much smaller caliber (114 ... 130 mm). So which of them is a warship?
    For comparison, the German destroyers Type 1936A carried 150 mm guns. But, this is so, by the way, that before the "Cormoran", if not for the gross mistakes of the commander of the Australian cruiser, the chances of the Germans to defeat "Sydney" were close to zero. The commander of another British cruiser, Devonshire, acted competently and even hypothetical chances did not appear for the Nazi raider Atlantis. Probably, already in the First World War, the Germans had to understand that the times of surface raiders-corsairs were over, that for Germany the best weapon against the British merchant fleet was submarines. Sending single surface ships for raiding, with the total domination of the surface fleet of the Anglo-Saxons, was hardly reasonable, be it a converted Cormoran or a heavy cruiser Admiral Graf Spee. Nevertheless, what thoughts does this topic suggest to the present? Maybe now, with a shortage of ships in the ocean zone, the revived "auxiliary cruisers" could drive the same pirates off Somalia. Suitable vessels can be bought from third countries or ordered, you need a helicopter on board, descending "snail boats" for patrolling and inspection. There is no need to drive warships, you can increase the autonomy and comfort of the crew. With the development of modular weapons, including missile (containers), their presence can be forced by means of the newly minted auxiliary cruisers for various purposes in the oceans. If you believe that ships do not need booking, then, in fact, will the difference be great between a well-armed "merchant", with pumped-over electronics, and a ship of a purely military construction ...
    1. sharkmen
      sharkmen 10 May 2016 10: 22
      +1
      Hello everyone. I liked the idea of ​​modular auxiliary cruisers. SW. Oleg, if you consider it possible, show your intrinsic ingenuity in relation to this idea in a recent conflict. in my case in this case you can count, I guarantee
      1. yehat
        yehat 10 May 2016 11: 58
        +1
        The USA already passed this subject when they quickly built Frigate Corvers to fight against German submarines.
    2. yehat
      yehat 10 May 2016 11: 55
      0
      I do not agree with you, an example of the Deutschland family cruisers
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschland_(1931)
      proves that the raiders could well work, lacking only coordination of their work,
      too much adventurism. The ship of the same type was sunk by the Naglosaks not so much with the help of ships, but, ultimately, with the help of diplomats.
      The same Tirpitz was very expensive for the British.
      If we recall the other stories of the raiders, they carried a very great danger, but the Germans needed to better organize their cover.
      Even unsuccessful raider stories led to close or greater losses of the enemy.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 May 2016 16: 12
      +2
      Quote: Per se.
      Probably, already in World War I, the Germans needed to understand that the time of surface raiders-corsairs was over, that for Germany the best weapon against the British merchant fleet was submarines.

      And with the submarines, the Germans are in complete ambush. smile
      To get them and trained crews in commodity quantities by the start of the war, it is necessary to begin the active development of the submarine fleet immediately after Hitler came to power. What inevitably leads to conflict with Britain is that she will not tolerate such an open assault on Dominion in the seas.
      And if we follow the path of chopping off the tail piece by piece - like the ever-memorable Anglo-German naval agreement of 1935 - then we will get a few "sevens" and a "canoe" fleet by the beginning of the war.

      Also, do not forget about "first alternative"-"one alternative, the rest are stupid". As soon as the Reich launches the Big Submarine Fleet program, Britain immediately remembers about WWI and begins frantically to build" Khanty "," flowers "and other PLO-trifles + patrol aircraft. Plus, the appearance of AVE PLO earlier is possible. And by reducing the construction program of that part of the surface ships RN, which in real life was intended to confront the NK Kriegsmarine. Just before the war, the emphasis from the fight against NK will be transferred to the fight against submarines.
      Quote: Per se.
      Maybe now, with a shortage of ships in the ocean zone, the revived "auxiliary cruisers" could drive the same pirates off Somalia. Suitable vessels can be bought from third countries or ordered, you need a helicopter on board, descending "snail boats" for patrolling and inspection.

      This has been suggested from the beginning. An auxiliary helicopter carrier and boat carrier from a converted "merchant" that hangs out in the zone and serves as a mobile base for patrol, inspection and counter-boarding teams. A sort of "Mistral for the Poor" or a mirror response to pirates (they used the "carrier trawler + high-speed boats" tactic to expand the interception radius).
      The fleet, apparently, decided that it was more important for him to train crews on long trips in regular places of warships than such an ersatz-thorn. And the effectiveness of the fight against pirates, it seems, does not interest anyone in the world at all - everyone understands that this problem is not being solved at sea.

      Besides, red tape and inertia are terrible things. Remember how long it took to buy auxiliary vessels for the Syrian Express, instead of which the fleet ruined the power plant resource of the BDK. But the need to replace the BDK with the VTR was written from the very beginning of flights to Syria.
    4. goose
      goose 11 May 2016 16: 03
      0
      Quote: Per se.
      For comparison, the German destroyers type 1936A carried 150 mm guns.

      In a real battle, a pair of such destroyers with a total displacement of 8000 tons turned out to be weaker than one English light cruiser.
  15. Old_Python
    Old_Python 10 May 2016 10: 21
    0
    After reading this phrase, I immediately guessed who the author of the article was.

    Slow down, my friend! The first three words were enough for me: "... the battle was inevitable." tongue
    Oh, damn it, I missed the ellipse ... wassat
    1. avt
      avt 10 May 2016 11: 07
      +2
      Quote: Old_Python
      Slow down, my friend! The first three words were enough for me: "... the battle was inevitable."

      request Did the headline "German killers" over the picture of the thorn with the Union Jack and the Australian flag alert you? laughing
      1. kugelblitz
        kugelblitz 10 May 2016 11: 36
        +3
        This is generally a picture of Frank Norton on the theme of the battle at Cape Spada, where the Italian "Colleone" was drowned wassat
        What the hell the author attached it to is incomprehensible. Here is a piccha appropriate here!



      2. yehat
        yehat 10 May 2016 17: 00
        0
        after 2 years of watching news from Ukraine, such trifles absolutely do not hurt)))
  16. DM51
    DM51 10 May 2016 11: 24
    +1
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    In August 1940, the raider “Komet” (the operational code Kriegsmarine HKS-7, in British intelligence reports “Raider B”) was secretly carried directly to the rear of the Anglo-Saxons by the Northern Sea Route.

    Another episode of tearing the pattern of military cooperation between the USSR and the fascist Reich

    Expedition special purpose (EON) with the participation of three icebreakers, with the issuance of a German for a Soviet ship, held in the strictest confidence, like any military operation

    So what? The USSR at that time was not in a state of war with Germany, but the United States, when it was already fighting against the Axis, made good money by trading with the Third Reich, which killed American soldiers - such a business on the blood of its citizens. Democracy in action, as it is. there is in the country "freedom of democracy and human values"
    1. Papandopulo
      Papandopulo 11 May 2016 11: 18
      +1
      The Soviet, Russian, soldiers, and not American, perished in their masses ...

      Nothing "secret" and it was not a raider yet, but a "Donau" transport

      The article in Wikipedia in Russian about "Comet" has been radically altered over the past XNUMX hours, and has become even nastier than the English one
      I wonder who could do this? bully
  17. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 10 May 2016 12: 04
    +4
    He-he-he ... but wouldn't the respected genie, who loves to make generalizations from "statistical emissions", want to recall another battle in which the "heavily armed" German VSKR and the American "merchant" of military construction with a predominantly civilian command and armament from one 102-mm gun and a pair of 37-mm MZA?

    As a result of the battle, the "merchant" sank. But after a couple of hours a real floating citadel, with a trained crew and an insane amount of weapons on board was abandoned by the team due to the impossibility of fighting an ever-growing fire (Yankee shells damaged the engine, disabled the power supply and fire extinguishing system, interrupted the fuel line and set fire to the fuel).

    If we consider this battle, it turns out that
    Exceptionally formidable and versatile combat units. “Ghosts of the oceans”. Eternal lone wanderers who killed anyone who met on their way.
    - this is not the VSKR, but "Liberty". laughing
  18. yehat
    yehat 10 May 2016 12: 20
    +3
    in my opinion, the Germans very seriously prevented the British raiders in combination with submarines and long-range aviation (condors)
    however, they underestimated the importance of supporting the bases and could not throw a cent coin on the scales at the right time to turn the tide of the struggle in their favor, although Doenitz correctly says that England was, at least three times during the two wars, brought to the brink of defeat due to actions Submarines and raiders. The Germans had a good chance to save both Spee and Tirpitz; they had a chance, by capturing Malta and the English base in Gibraltar, to completely take control of the Mediterranean Sea and dramatically complicate the position of the Allies. But every time some little thing got in the way. Either the old resentment of Franco, or the flaws of the agents of influence, or in general a chain of accidents. This suggests that they did not have a "safety margin" in their plans, i.e. German headquarters were wrong in their global assessments of the situation.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 May 2016 13: 33
      +3
      Quote: yehat
      although Doenitz correctly says that England was at least three times during the two wars put on the brink of defeat thanks to the actions of the submarines and raiders.

      Unfortunately for Doenitz, his words are not confirmed by numbers. For all the time of the Battle of the Atlantic, the total tonnage of the merchant fleet of Britain decreased only 1 time - in the second half of 1942 - and by no more than 5%.

      The reason for this is well known - the Merchant Marine Act. The fact is that in the mid-30s the United States, worried about squeezing their companies out of the shipping industry, made a decision at the state level to support business (hello apologists invisible hand of the market, yes ...) by building a series of standard ships under the state order and then leasing them to private carriers. Based on the original 500 keels plans, shipbuilders began to expand the shipyard. Just before the war. As a result, it turned out that the mobilization of the shipbuilding industry in the United States was partially completed even before the war. Ironically, the American program, the results of which were supposed to oust the British from shipping, turned out to be a salvation for the British. smile

      Also, the uncritical approach to the post-war German praise for the role of the submarines (as well as the memoirs of the Allies, who blamed the terrible German submarines for their slovenliness) played a bad joke with our fleet, which emphasized the submarines in its shipbuilding programs.
      1. yehat
        yehat 10 May 2016 14: 56
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA

        Unfortunately for Doenitz, his words are not confirmed by numbers. For all the time of the Battle of the Atlantic, the total tonnage of the merchant fleet of Britain decreased only 1 time - in the second

        it’s not the tonnage, but the real number of ships reaching the metropolis
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 10 May 2016 15: 18
          +2
          Quote: yehat
          it’s not the tonnage, but the real number of ships reaching the metropolis

          The actions of the German submarines on communications did not interfere with the Harris raids (after all, heavy bombers consumed four-throat imported gas), nor the raids of American bombers, nor the Islands' air defense, nor the supply of forces to the peripheral theater of war with equipment and supplies (but the same tanks did either American continent, or in the Metropolis). Moreover, in the midst of the Battle of the Atlantic, Britain and the United States managed to conduct a strategic landing operation.

          In addition, one subtle point must be taken into account: until December 1941, any intensification of the German submarine’s actions will only lead to the fact that even more cargo will go under the protection of US neutral ships. Franklin Delano confidently led the country to enter the war as the injured party.
          1. Taoist
            Taoist 10 May 2016 15: 41
            +2
            Well, if you believe the same Roskilde, then in the "Battle of the Atlantic" there was still a moment when the tonnage was sunk faster than it was built. However, the period was short and in general the outcome was predictable ... Whatever one may say, but Germany, even at the cost of abandoning all surface ships, was not able to oppose the required number of submarines (and most importantly trained crews for them) to the Allied shipbuilding industry.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 10 May 2016 16: 19
              0
              Quote: Taoist
              Like it or not, Germany, even at the cost of abandoning all surface ships, was not able to counter the required number of submarines (and most importantly trained crews for them) of the Allied shipbuilding industry.

              There is one more subtlety - the more submarines in the sea, the higher will be their loss in absolute terms. Just because meetings with patrolmen and an escort will happen more often.
              Quote: Taoist
              Like it or not, Germany, even at the cost of abandoning all surface ships, was not able to counter the required number of submarines (and most importantly trained crews for them) of the Allied shipbuilding industry.

              Duc ... three corvettes for the price of one "seven" - this is not treated. And when the Kaiser took on increased capitalist obligations fulfill the five-year plan in three years to hand over 50 escorting AV ... laughing
        2. Assistant
          Assistant 11 May 2016 01: 19
          +1
          it’s not the tonnage, but the real number of ships reaching the metropolis


          If during the entire war all the Kriegsmarines sank ships with a tonnage less than the tonnage for which only Liberty-type transports were built only in the USA, then more or less ships began to reach England?
          Which, however, does not deny the fact that the Germans could have short intervals during which they drowned transports faster than their allies built. But England, in fact, is not a besieged Leningrad.
      2. Taoist
        Taoist 10 May 2016 15: 47
        +1
        Well, I think that the point was not trust in the memoirs of the allies, but exclusively in the capabilities of the domestic shipbuilding industry to quickly expose at least some kind of threat to the supply of the European theater of operations. Trying with these goals to measure the number of AUG or "cruisers-battleships according to Kaptsov" was deliberately unpromising. But submarines could well spoil the blood of potential "Atlantic express trains" ... especially if we consider the situation of a sudden strike and a transient nuclear conflict.
        1. yehat
          yehat 10 May 2016 17: 05
          +1
          I’ll add that the main problem of our fleet is access to the operational space,
          because and the northern exit both through the Gulf of Finland and through the Mediterranean Sea the surface fleet is difficult to pass unnoticed, and if it is spotted in advance, it will be trivial to solve the numerical superiority in the pennants of the Atlantic grouping of NATO.
          the stealth of the submarines made it possible to sharply weaken this problem.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 May 2016 15: 39
      +2
      Quote: yehat
      The Germans had a good chance to save both Spee and Tirpitz, they had a chance, capturing Malta and the English base in Gibraltar, to completely take control of the Mediterranean Sea and dramatically complicate the position of the allies.

      How so? belay
      From the moment Italy entered the war, the through message across the Mediterranean was closed (only one convoy passed). All convoys to the Desert Forces marched around Africa. Only the supply of Malta went through the Mediterranean.

      Moreover, the capture of Malta was unlikely to improve Rommel’s position - for he couldn’t normally dispose of even the 1500–2500 tons of supplies that he had at the ports of North Africa (for comparison, 6 A Paulus in Stalingrad required 1000 tons per day).
      Quote: yehat
      But every time a little thing interfered. Either Franco’s old resentment, or agents of influence’s flaws, or a chain of randomness in general.

      What a grudge? Spain Franco hung on a thin string of food supplies from America. As soon as Franco sided with the Reich, Roosevelt would cut the umbilical cord. And hello, hunger - because your agricultural sector in Spain was ruined by the Civil, and there wasn’t any excess food in the Reich (the Germans brought the food balance of 1941 barely - for this they had to include requisition of almost all grain on the territory of the USSR planned for occupation) )
      Hunger + the collapse of industry and agriculture + national separatism + remnants of communists, anarchists and other losers of the Civil + radical ultra-right from the Phalanx with their methods of "pacification" + intervention of the British special services in their usual theater of operations - this explosive mixture would explode a new Civil 146% ... So Franco was spinning as if in a frying pan, trying not to spoil the relationship with Hitler, and not to get into the Axis. smile
      1. yehat
        yehat 10 May 2016 16: 58
        +1
        1. about supplying the Desert Fox. Do not compare the supply of a normally equipped army (Paulus), which has been sitting on the defensive for a long time, having some kind of storage and has an air umbrella from outside the environment and an expeditionary force that actively maneuvers and which already has full-time equipment on arrival.
        2. Regarding the dependence of Spain on the United States. You forgot something. The United States did not immediately become an ardent supporter of Big Britain in the war. The Germans had a window in a couple of years in order to solve the issue of Gibraltar with the indifference of the United States.
        As for food, you forgot what surplus food consumption the Germans planned in Germany itself. Reducing plans to the level of the pre-war years was not at all a disaster. Finally, Germany received wider resources from the northern coast of Africa, Italy and other shores of the Mediterranean Sea.
        3. Gibraltar control freed the forces of the Italian fleet from a defensive defense and allowed southeast of England to sharply increase control over the sea, which jeopardized the trade routes of Cape Horn-England and allowed the Germans to sharply improve support for raiding forces plus operations in the Persian Gulf and Indian Ocean.
        4. Finally, the control of Gibraltar essentially allowed Hitler to begin active import of oil from the Middle East and solved a number of other strategic tasks, including supplying the Italian fleet and the economy with fuel.
        1. Maegrom
          Maegrom 10 May 2016 17: 07
          0
          You wrote what has not been done, but it is pointless without understanding how to do it.
          How?
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 10 May 2016 18: 04
          +1
          Quote: yehat
          1. about supplying the Desert Fox. Do not compare the supply of a normally equipped army (Paulus), which has been sitting on the defensive for a long time, having some kind of storage and has an air umbrella from outside the environment and an expeditionary force that actively maneuvers and which already has full-time equipment on arrival.

          Paulus just did not have warehouses - some of them turned out to be exactly in the way of our ticks, and some were destroyed by the quartermasters by order.
          Well, for reference: the estimated total daily consumption of fuel / ammunition / food / hour
        3. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 10 May 2016 18: 04
          +2
          Quote: yehat
          Finally, Germany received wider resources from the northern coast of Africa, Italy and other shores of the Mediterranean Sea.

          What are the resources from Italy and Africa? You do not confuse present-day Africa with Africa-1940.
          Quote: yehat
          3. Gibraltar control freed the forces of the Italian fleet from a defensive defense and allowed southeast of England to sharply increase control over the sea, which jeopardized the trade routes of Cape Horn-England and allowed the Germans to sharply improve support for raiding forces plus operations in the Persian Gulf and Indian Ocean.

          Yes ... the Italian navy is power. Losing with the ratio "a group led by the post-Washington DC against a pair of cruisers" - this is only Supermarina can.
          By the way, where do you get oil for the Italians? Already in 1941, Bragadin complained that the Germans had taken all the fuel and that it was necessary to refuel the EMs at the expense of the supplies of medical supplies. And this is on the short shoulder of the Mediterranean.
          Quote: yehat
          4. Finally, the control of Gibraltar essentially allowed Hitler to begin active import of oil from the Middle East and solved a number of other strategic tasks, including supplying the Italian fleet and the economy with fuel.

          From which Middle East? From British colonies and controlled territories?
          Britain itself was supplied with fuel from the United States. In 1940, the main centers of oil production - the United States (world leader) and Southeast Asia - and the Middle East produced less than 9 percent of world oil.
        4. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 10 May 2016 18: 41
          0
          Oops ... the first answer was somehow cut off, so I duplicate it from memory: request

          Quote: yehat
          1. about supplying the Desert Fox. Do not compare the supply of a normally equipped army (Paulus), which has been sitting on the defensive for a long time, having some kind of storage and has an air umbrella from outside the environment and an expeditionary force that actively maneuvers and which already has full-time equipment on arrival.

          Paulus just did not have warehouses - some of them turned out to be exactly in the way of our ticks, and some were destroyed by the quartermasters by order.
          Well, for reference: the estimated total daily consumption of a tank or motorized division - 300 tons, infantry - 150 tons.
          Quote: yehat
          2. Regarding the dependence of Spain on the United States. You forgot something. The United States did not immediately become an ardent supporter of Big Britain in the war. The Germans had a window in a couple of years in order to solve the issue of Gibraltar with the indifference of the United States.

          There was no window. After the fall of France, the FDR began to pump Britain with weapons - due to the reorientation of French orders. And after the election, he turned around in full, raking the arsenals of the US Army and redirecting its orders to the Islands.
          Quote: yehat
          As for food, you forgot what surplus food consumption the Germans planned in Germany itself. Reducing plans to the level of the pre-war years was not at all a disaster.

          Yeah ... food surplus in a mobilized army - this is a very strong sorcery. Moreover, Spain will need food immediately, in the midst of battles, and not after the victory.
          And here is what Halder writes to us about the food situation in the Reich in the spring of 1941:
          March 1
          The food supply of industrial workers is beginning to become a rather difficult matter. For example, additional food supplies to Belgium from Bavaria in the amount of 1 million norms are required. Nutrient items in the workplace.
          11 March:
          d. Food supply in France has deteriorated. According to reports, grain reserves are only enough for a month and a half.
          11 May:
          General Osterkamp: Difficulties in supplying meat. The number of pigs decreased from 27 to 20 million heads. Cattle should not be touched. Therefore, you need to reduce consumption. It is necessary to reduce the consumption of meat in the ground forces before the offensive. In the armed forces, the norm is reduced from 1500 to 1350 grams, and for the civilian population, from 500 to 400 grams [per week].
          1. yehat
            yehat 11 May 2016 09: 46
            -1
            Well, well, the Wehrmacht soldier began to eat not one and a half kilos of meat per week, but 1350g.
            I am now, buying as much as I want, I can not cope with so many, although I am not complaining about the appetite.
            400-500g ... well, that's about as much as eating.
            only you did not mention that besides meat, the diet includes a lot of other things, including fish and dairy products.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 11 May 2016 10: 28
              +1
              Quote: yehat
              Well, well, the Wehrmacht soldier began to eat not one and a half kilos of meat per week, but 1350g.
              I am now, buying as much as I want, I can not cope with so many, although I am not complaining about the appetite.
              400-500g ... well, that's about as much as eating.

              1350 grams per week is 192 grams per day. In peacetime. In combat units. For comparison: a stripped-down front ration of the Red Army (according to the standards of 12.09.1941/150/XNUMX) - XNUMX grams per week.
              Civil Germans generally relied 57 grams of meat per day.
  19. Old_Python
    Old_Python 10 May 2016 13: 06
    0
    Did the headline "German killers" over the picture of the thorn with the Union Jack and the Australian flag alert you?

    Well, here's another look at the pictures ... wassat
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  21. DM51
    DM51 10 May 2016 13: 51
    +2
    Quote: AK64
    To do this, in the West they came up with service stations and a self-respecting burgher will not climb under the hood in search of an oil filter, but will drive specialists who are specially trained for such matters

    Tell me a price question.

    To make it clear: "in the West" BMW is bought only as a CORPORATE car, that is, at the expense of tax evasion. But never myself --- only Russians and Chinese buy such happiness

    What was clear that you wrote nonsense: in the North American market in 2015 almost 500000 BMW and Mini cars were sold, in Europe almost a million, and what, is it all corporate?
    Before the introduction of barrage duties on the used auto industry, a significant part of Mercedes and BMW cars with mileage driven to Russia are private cars. I used to drive cars myself and I know this business from the inside
  22. DM51
    DM51 10 May 2016 14: 18
    +1
    Quote: AK64
    I agree with the rapporteur about wheelbarrows: German wheelbarrows are very popular: it may have been so in the 60s, but not today.
    The price-quality ratio, taking into account the service, is much better even for the Frenchmen.

    As an example: British taxi drivers drive a Frenchwoman. I was surprised and asked "why?" Answer: price-quality-service life is TWICE better than others.

    But the French are far from the best in this matter.

    The Germans are PR and only PR: there were wonderful scandals, from a little-known example, when the super-tightened Mercy was corny ... did not slow down. And I had to recall them.

    What does price-quality mean in your understanding? If you approach it from the point of view of taxi drivers, then Renault and Peugeot and Citroen are undoubtedly cheaper, and if from the point of view of luxury, this is nonsense. Remind me how such a French car industry can compare with the Big German Three: maybe Do they have four-wheel drive? no! maybe six or eight-cylinder engines? also not! maybe powerful sports cars? and again no! Can the French have analogues to the German F-class? again no!
    France makes good cars of its kind, for example, the hydro-pneumatic suspension in Citroen is super, Logan is a great car in its class - a spacious interior and energy-consuming, indestructible suspension, but they have nothing to do on the field of luxury Germans - the French car industry has its own niche
  23. Taoist
    Taoist 10 May 2016 14: 21
    +5
    Explain to me an old man why, as soon as Kaptsov has a new idol, is he described in extremely superlative degrees and epithets? Why are the trite support cruisers Cormoran and Comet so great? By the fact that they overwhelmed the mass of unconvoy merchants? Well, that's what they actually created for this ... a raider war as such - despite the fact that the efficiency from strikes "on quiet" is always higher than from specially created military raiders (recall the generally dull result of "pocket battleships").

    But what about the Sidenei story? Well, the commander's carelessness multiplied by "accidents inevitable at sea" - at a pistol shot distance, in any case, the one who shoots first decides.

    Moreover, there are strictly opposite examples - the same battle of the minesweeper Bengal with two Japanese raiders ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 May 2016 15: 05
      +2
      Quote: Taoist
      Moreover, there are strictly opposite examples - the same battle of the minesweeper Bengal with two Japanese raiders ...

      Duc ... some have already written that "Bengal" is unprotected -
      The shell hit the torpedo tube
      smile
      In short, this is play, this is not play, there is a greasy spot, the fish was wrapped. ©

      However, there are even more reverse an example is the battle of SS Stephen Hopkins against the VSKR Stier.
      Quote: Taoist
      Well, that's what they actually created for this ... a raider war as such - despite the fact that the efficiency from strikes "on quiet" is always higher than from specially created military raiders (recall the generally dull result of "pocket battleships").

      Duc ... "pickpockets", despite the diesel, ate fuel in three throats (the same "Spee" in the history of cruising refueling, as it were, no more than intercepted ships).
      Plus, "pickpockets" are very difficult to confuse with someone else - their silhouettes are very characteristic. The Germans had to build something similar in silhouette to the "counties" - for, EMNIP, only these RN ships went alone.
    2. yehat
      yehat 10 May 2016 15: 43
      0
      why is this a dull result? Even with all the bad luck and problems, all 3 pickpockets ala Deutschland managed to do things. For example, Spee, when meeting with 3 cruisers at La Plata, confidently piled on them.
      I repeat: one against three won the battle. Despite the fact that the German had a displacement of 12000 tons,
      while the British have Exeter (TKR 10650t) + Ajax (9740t) + Achilles (8949t), in the total of 29339t
      at the same time, heavy Exeter barely left completely having lost combat effectiveness, while 2 others received serious injuries. And this despite the fact that the British competently and well fought, and the Germans at first did not know that the 2 ships are not destroyers, but cruisers.
      In general, the ships turned out quite formidable and relevant.
      however, coordination, guidance and protection of air defense batteries and secondary batteries turned out to be the weak point of the ships of the series.
      1. Taoist
        Taoist 10 May 2016 15: 51
        +4
        guys ... the result of a battle is not the number of hits ... it is the fulfillment or non-fulfillment of a combat mission. Spee's meeting with the British cruisers immediately put an end to him as a raider - and as a result, the pickpocket "piling on the British" was blown up by his own crew ...
        1. yehat
          yehat 10 May 2016 16: 38
          -3
          1. where do you study history at all? Not blown up, but systematically flooded, misled by the captain and crew.
          2. Task execution - HARM. In my opinion, Spee performed it well where it depended on the ship and crew.
          3. It was not the cruiser who placed the cross on the raider, but the lack of the proper infrastructure to support the raider - neither to repair, nor to replenish the ammunition, nor to receive information. Even a heavily armored Yamato would have suffered some damage in battle and needed to be repaired. Perhaps part of the contribution to the interruption of the mission was played by the inability to evade the battle due to speed.
          1. Taoist
            Taoist 10 May 2016 17: 04
            +3
            Quote: yehat
            . where are you studying history at all? Not blown up, but systematically flooded, misled by the captain and crew.

            Teach materiel:

            “At about 18.00 pm, huge flags with a swastika hoisted on the masts, and the Spee departed from the pier. On this warm summer Sunday evening, a huge crowd of 200 thousand people, according to eyewitnesses, watched from the Montevideo embankment. fairway and turned north, as if about to go to Buenos Aires, but about 4 miles from the coast, he dropped anchor. About 20.00 sounded 6 explosions of the main charges. Flames and smoke rose high above the masts; they were visible even from the city. The ship sat down on the ground, severe fires started on it, but the solid structure resisted for a long time. Explosions and fires continued for 3 days." (with)

            Kingston say opened? repeat



            Quote: yehat
            The task is HARM. In my opinion, Spee performed it well where it depended on the ship and crew.



            And this is generally a memorial ... Poor Langsdorf - if he had been given this combat mission, he would have shot himself immediately immediately ... so as not to suffer.
            1. yehat
              yehat 10 May 2016 17: 18
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              kingstones? No, I didn’t. Langsdorf had a goal not only to drown, but to make sure that the Britons later could not use the ship.
              I meant a combination of kingstones and explosions
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 10 May 2016 17: 18
            +2
            Quote: yehat
            2. Task execution - HARM. In my opinion, Spee performed it well where it depended on the ship and crew.

            Panzerschiff had to leave the strongest and defeat the weakest. Before the war, it was believed that only "Perestroika" and "Alteration" were dangerous for him.
            What do we have in fact? Cruising "Spee" ended after the first meeting with the enemy - 3 "budget CD".
            Quote: yehat
            3. It was not the cruiser who placed the cross on the raider, but the lack of the proper infrastructure to support the raider - neither to repair, nor to replenish the ammunition, nor to receive information.

            But what - when developing the TTZ on the Panzerschiff, no one understood this? That the raider will not have a base with a dock? And that the enemy will not begin to disperse forces shipbuilding?
            Why then was it worth wasting resources, creating an expensive panserschiffe-raider, for which even 1 KRT-nerds and 2 of the same KRL are dangerous? Cause anyway the King has a lot.
            1. yehat
              yehat 12 May 2016 11: 52
              -1
              well, the Deutschlands weren’t just raiders
              it’s just that their power reserve allowed them to do this.
        2. Alex_59
          Alex_59 10 May 2016 22: 18
          +3
          Quote: Taoist
          guys ... the result of the battle is not the number of hits ... this is the fulfillment or non-fulfillment of a combat mission.

          Voice in the wilderness! How would these words, and to drive into the brains of all writers with commentators?
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 10 May 2016 16: 48
        +2
        Quote: yehat
        Even with all the bad luck and problems, all 3 pickpockets ala Deutschland managed to do things. For example, Spee, when meeting with 3 cruisers at La Plata, confidently piled on them.

        The result of the meeting of "Spee" with Harwood's group was that the Germans did not complete their combat mission, but the British did.
        For the cruise of the Spee is over. Even if Langsdorf had sunk all of Harwood's CDs, the Spee would still be forced to return "at the expense of the BC."
        Quote: yehat
        I repeat: one against three won the battle. Despite the fact that the German had a displacement of 12000 tons,
        while the British have Exeter (TKR 10650t) + Ajax (9740t) + Achilles (8949t), in the total of 29339t

        Oh, what a charm - to compare the standard displacement of the German and the total displacement of all British ships. smile

        Exeter is a "budget version" of an MRT with a cut-down main battery - 3x2 203-mm (limes crammed 2 MRTs into their remaining contractual displacement limits). Some kind of "British furutaka". It would be better if the British built one normal MRT instead of them ... smile
        "Ajax" with "Achilles" are, again, "budget" squadron cruise lines of 6000 tons with 4x2 152 mm. Moreover, their equipment during construction was further cut in comparison with the project.
        Quote: yehat
        In general, the ships turned out quite formidable and relevant.

        Uh-huh ... just compare the number of British KRT and KRL with the number of Panzershiffes. Was it worth the Germans to build a ship that can be driven into port by 3 "budget pelvis"? What if Harwood had not "linders", but full-fledged "cities"? wink
        1. yehat
          yehat 10 May 2016 17: 17
          -1
          I recall that Spee was looking for 8 groups. Imagine the tension of the Veliky Buryat fleet if they still had to strengthen them. I think that the mere fact of this action of diversion of forces would pay for Spee's campaign once every 20 times.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 10 May 2016 18: 30
            +3
            Quote: yehat
            I recall that Spee was looking for 8 groups. Imagine the tension of the Veliky Buryat fleet if they still had to strengthen them. I think that the mere fact of this action of diversion of forces would pay for Spee's campaign once every 20 times.

            First, not 8, but 5 groups: G, H, I, K, X. Here is their disposition and composition as of December 12, 1939:
            Force G - Heavy cruiser EXETER, light cruiser AJAX and the New Zealand ACHILLES off the Uruguay coast near Rio de la Plata.

            Force H - Heavy cruisers SUSSEX and SHROPSHIRE sweeping off the west coast of Africa.

            Force I - Aircraft carrier EAGLE, heavy cruiser CORNWALL, light cruiser GLOUCESTER arrived at Durban on the 12th, low on fuel, after chasing into the Indian Ocean on a false raider report. EAGLE and GLOUCESTER were expected to need a week to boiler clean at Simonstown.

            Force K - Aircraft carrier ARK ROYAL and battlecruiser RENOWN in the Pernambuco area.

            Force X - Aircraft carrier HERMES, French heavy cruisers DUPLEIX, FOCH, and British destroyers HARDY, HOSTILE and HERO were north of St Paul Rocks. British light cruiser NEPTUNE joined Force X on the 12th.

            At the same time, Force I, apparently, also worked on raiders in the Indian Ocean.

            Secondly, only Force K from the naval AV and LKR can be considered a real distraction of the forces of the fleet. The rest are standard KPUG / APUG from the "defenders of trade" (and the old AB) for catching German raiders, who, according to the PMA experience, were expected from the very beginning of the war.
            4 groups - 2 AB, 4 KRT, 3 KRL RN (and 2 KRT French) throughout the South Atlantic. Plus operational reserve of 2 SRT.
        2. yehat
          yehat 10 May 2016 17: 54
          -1
          British Furutaka vs German Fubuki laughing
  24. faiver
    faiver 10 May 2016 16: 15
    0
    The battle of Sydney’s food service can be called a unique case of coincidence, but no more, the raiders could not and could not have an effect on cargo transportation, the actions of the captain Sydney cannot be called anything other than criminal negligence ...
  25. yehat
    yehat 10 May 2016 16: 31
    +1
    fans of German cars I want to clarify something:
    there are 2 types of Germans - old and new. Old, many standards of quality and reliability were made, in fact, by engineers from Germany. New ones are the product of engineers and so on. specialists from all over Europe and not only, and the quality is not the same. I am sure many have felt the taste of "china" in many of the new models.
    1. avt
      avt 10 May 2016 19: 04
      +2
      Quote: yehat
      New ones are a product of engineers and so on. specialists from all over Europe and not only, and the quality is not right

      Forgot to mention that the new ones were made at best by the Turks who settled in Germany. Yes, and the very idea of ​​universal consumerism provides for a change of technology in five years to a new one. Well, why keep a brand of German quality with such an ideology of consumerism?
  26. Kenneth
    Kenneth 10 May 2016 17: 32
    +5
    If we use the logic of the author, then the German merchant fleet should be hung with 150 mm cannons and sent against the British. Success is inevitable. The author seems deliberately epotiruyuyu audience all sorts of nonsense
    1. avt
      avt 10 May 2016 18: 50
      +4
      Quote: Kenneth
      If we use the logic of the author, then the German merchant fleet should be hung with 150 mm cannons and sent against the British. Success is inevitable. The author seems deliberately epotiruyuyu audience all sorts of nonsense

      You are just on the site recently, but at least you have lived here with mine, or you would have rummaged in the archive of the site, you would have made sure that the author sincerely believes in what he writes with fervor and an artistic verb burns out, this is a statement of fact, not a mockery Even when later it happens no less sincerely 180 turns over - and this happened. So yes, there were serious discussions in the comments - Oleg has enough adherents and this audience is jealous of criticizing him - opponents do not regret minuses laughing , well, opponents do not give a descent either, and here quite interesting and reasoned answers to his essay come up. I’ve somehow tied up with the technical part - I’m more and more scoffed. laughing Oleg, under the influence of the arguments of his opponents, does not change his point of view and always rushes to the “embrasure”, it is rarely possible to squeeze it, I only remember a skirmish with him about the death of “Brave”, and sometimes Oleg's adherents go straight to the sect similar .... not all, but adorers come across and here some kind of logic is powerless.
      1. Papandopulo
        Papandopulo 11 May 2016 10: 53
        0
        Such a strange sect of adherents ... the anti-Soviet from their USA is bred by such a date
        This article appeared immediately after, earlier the same was in the comments under the article about "Ashgabat"
        http://topwar.ru/94701-voennye-mili-ashhabada.html
  27. Denimax
    Denimax 10 May 2016 21: 41
    0
    It’s stupid of course to have 300 minutes on board and stomp with all the ammunition. According to the idea, he probably should have acted in a quiet minzag as a raider. But apparently I wanted prominent victories, so the advantage was the guns.
  28. tolancop
    tolancop 10 May 2016 23: 41
    +2
    "... Such a corsair was in no way inferior in firepower and most characteristics to warships. Otherwise, how could he have sunk an Australian cruiser? ..."
    How, how ... well. The commander of the "Sydney" turned out to be a careless gouger who did not fulfill his direct duties. As a result, the warship was killed along with the crew.
    Everything has already been described a long time ago. As well as meeting "Devonshire" with "colleague" "Cormoran". Only the commander of the Devonshire knew his business and this left no chance for the raider. Generally.

    Kaptsov is Kaptsov ... As you read, you already guess whose last name you will see at the end.
    1. Santa Fe
      11 May 2016 00: 07
      0
      Quote: tolancop
      Only the commander of the Devonshire knew his business and this left no chance for the raider. Generally.

      A book does not reveal the fate?

      U-126 plunged so quickly that its commander remained aboard the raider. At the same time, a seaplane took off again from Devonshire to survey an unknown vessel. Unfortunately for the Germans, the pilot immediately noticed a refueling hose that was pulling astern, oil spills, and a submerged ship. He immediately notified the cruiser commander with an agreed signal. Captain R. D. Oliver. In 8.37 "Devonshire" released in the direction of the raider two warn

      Because the commander and knew his stuff. But it’s still not a fact how it all ended.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 11 May 2016 10: 57
        +2
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Because the commander and knew his stuff. But it’s still not a fact how it all ended.

        Then you can remember "Cornwall" and "Penguin".
        Disguise of the "Penguin" as a Norwegian was almost perfect ... but the pilots of the onboard "Wallrus" KRT RN, when flying around the VKR, it seemed suspicious that none of the crew had come out to look at the plane. The commander of the KRT did not ask for trouble and get closer, but waited for information that the Norwegian should not be in the area. And only after that did he go to rapprochement, firing warning fire. As a result, the nerves of the Germans could not stand it already at 80 kbt - and the cruiser was able to fight at an advantageous distance for him (80-130 kbt), getting off with just a couple of hits. As a result, despite constant breakdowns, “Cornwall” did drown the “Penguin”.

        The breakdown on the Cornwall in that battle is something.
        Start of battle:
        When the British cruiser also rolled to the left, one of the fuses in the electric drive blown on it, responsible for turning the towers of the main caliber, and those temporarily failed. Following that, the telephone line between the bridge and the towers refused, and there were also problems with the catapult. At this point, the Germans made their first hit.

        End of battle:
        Flooding the pantry caused by the hit of the first shell, led to a short circuit, which disabled the main dynamo of the cruiser. Because of this, the lights went out in the engine room and boiler room. Then errors of personnel followed, leading to a halt of the two remaining dynamos. The temperature in the engine room jumped to almost 90 ° C. As a result, the engine room and boiler room had to be abandoned, and several people received strong thermal shock. This caused the death of Lieutenant George Winsleyd, who became the only victim of the battle from the English side.
  29. pacific
    pacific 11 May 2016 00: 45
    +1
    Quote: qwert
    In this case, the Germans were just lucky.

    The Germans were lucky only in the fact that the captain of the "Sydney" let his cruiser take a "pistol" shot and violated all conceivable rules for conducting a search.
    The gun turrets were in the DP, and not even the entire team was at combat posts. And from a shot 6 "at close range, these" defenders of trade "did not have protection.
  30. yehat
    yehat 11 May 2016 13: 09
    +1
    the corsair was in no way inferior in terms of firepower and most characteristics to warships

    let’s remember one very significant German ship. In fact, the first of the German dreadnought ships.
    Nassau. Armament of 12-280 mm guns. Great firepower. However, due to the specifics of the ship, all the side towers were practically unable to fire and 12 trunks cringe to 4.
    I cited this example in order to understand what firepower is.
    here is another example. Recall the battle of Bismarck and Hood. And let's ask how many fire control posts were on these two mighty ships.
    Bismarck: at 31 meters height, a range finder stabilized in 3 planes 10.5m
    2 more 10.5m range finder in the towers, 7m additional range finder in the wheelhouse, 2 spaced computing posts, as well as additional posts to account for shooting corrections during pitching and on the ground.
    The system, based on the experience of fighting in the Black Sea against the Russians, was made in such a way that it was possible to make the first volley quite accurately and accurately.
    Hood:
    he had the same number of central fire control posts, but ...
    there were no a number of auxiliary services that introduced amendments, the sighting equipment was somewhat inferior to the German technical specifications, the stabilization was only in 2 planes, and the system calculated exactly only the fire at the already covered target, i.e. it was necessary to give 2 sighting volleys to guaranteed cover the target. In addition, all automation required a very well-coordinated work, because of which officers themselves often made calculations in a simplified manner to amend guidance.
    And now the questions:
    1. Is it by chance that Bismarck covered Hood with the first salvo from 24 km? If someone does not know, Hood was the largest battleship in the world (until they knew about Yamato) with a length of 262.17m. When Bismarck hit him, he walked at an angle of about 35%. If you recall trigonometry, the width of his frontal projection was approximately 262 * 0.42 = 110m. It is with a school stadium in size.
    2. Is it by chance that, having fallen, Bismarck struck the deck, which on a third of the square was not designed to hit the Bismarck’s guns from the word in general?
    3. Is it by chance that the hood exploded if the construction of the bulkheads and cellars itself contributed to the spread of fire throughout the hold?
  31. Taoist
    Taoist 11 May 2016 22: 25
    0
    Quote: avt
    carries it along the waves of mood wholeheartedly and beautifully.

    Quote: avt
    He would write novels



    Well ... I also told him all the time about it ... and its not in that steppe ...
  32. Torkvat torkvat
    Torkvat torkvat 9 October 2016 08: 57
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    In the end, the actions of the German raiders were insignificant for the British and American Navy. They could not seriously disrupt communications.