Poroshenko: indisputable facts prove that Russia would not defeat fascism without Ukraine

Petro Poroshenko, speaking to veterans in Kiev, said that without the participation of Ukrainians, victory over fascism in World War II would have been impossible, reports RIA News message of the press service of the Ukrainian president.

“How is it possible against the background of such undeniable historical facts to have the audacity to declare that Russia would have won the war without Ukraine. We would not have won this war without the Ukrainians ... ",

Poroshenko declared.

At the same time, he did not specify who this “insolent” person was, disputing the contribution of Ukraine to the common cause of the Great Victory, which, excuse me, idiot could have come up with such a thought. If Poroshenko hints at Moscow, then this is unlikely. Most likely, this statement is the improvisation of the “great” European integrator itself, who continues to destroy the interethnic ties of the two fraternal peoples.

Recall, the Russian leadership has repeatedly stated that it was a common victory. Vladimir Putin, in particular, stressed that "it is necessary to remember the heroism of representatives of all nationalities." And the State Duma Chairman Sergei Naryshkin said that “the soldiers and officers of the Soviet army had one Motherland, and at the front it never occurred to anyone to divide into Russians and Armenians, Ukrainians and Kazakhs, Tatars and Georgians.”

Comments

[Rurikovich]

No words ...

[Finches]

There is only one indisputable fact - the duration of heavy drinking by the Ukrainian president increases exponentially over time ...

[Thrall]

And these people once wore shoulder straps of Soviet soldiers ...

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Thrall

And these people once wore shoulder straps of Soviet soldiers ...

Moreover, they must have been good comrades in the service. Well, except that smart ass is unnecessary. Well, they have it national, and they are not creative, fact. They are guided in life with the eternal thought - "to squeeze!" ... Well, at least something from someone, but wring it out. With the advent of “patriotism,” more and more people wanted, but only fewer and fewer wanted to substitute. The logical result is to suck at least something from someone. There is a road for them, together with the controlled population, which does not even hum, but simply stupidly keeps silent. Not a fig they do not mind. And it’s time to stupidly bang these ghoul leaders - you never know, the parashenko motorcade at the grandmother’s cat ran over and did not notice, but she harbored maliciously, used the SVDeshka to grandfather for its intended purpose. It happens. These zomboys are straining at their side, something needs to be solved with them.

[HERMES]

Quote: iliitch

“How is it possible, against the background of such undeniable historical facts, to have the audacity to declare that Russia would have won the war without Ukraine. Would not have won this war without the Ukrainians ... "

Well then ... equipment and aircraft flew in melted fat, Berlin took Bandera ...

Such an onslaught could be sustained only by all together. And win only together.

Without the Ukrainians, they could have managed ... there was enough manpower without them. But without the Baku oil ... ~ 70-80% of ALL USSR equipment in the years of the Second World War moved and flew to it ...

I propose to give the title of Hero City - Baku. He deserves it.

[Ivan_ich]

Again, the Soviet Union is to blame, did not let the Great Urks personally defeat the Fritz ..

[naraevskij1957]

The answer is cool, BUT CORRECT

[Monos]

Quote: Thrall

And these people once wore shoulder straps of Soviet soldiers ...

[parafoiler]

But only fascism managed to bite Ukraine and mortally infect it with itself ...

[Lelek]

Quote: Thrall

And these people once wore shoulder straps of Soviet soldiers ...

And these still have Russian citizenship and carry Russian passports:
(cry.)

[naraevskij1957]

power, money, greed, unprincipledness. HERE, which leads people to such irresponsible state

[Dam]

Having won another victory over vodka, the leader of the natii won virtual victories in the information space

[parafoiler]

But only fascism managed to bite Ukraine and mortally infect it with itself ...

[Reserve officer]

"We would not have won this war without the Ukrainians ..."

Fucking idiom! Then there were no Uzbeks, nor Russians, nor Ukrainians in the army! There was one Great Soviet People. Therefore, they won the victory because they did not divide people into nationalities. And they were not engaged in commerce, but were dying for their homeland.
You can immediately see the upbringing of his father - criminal Valtsman Alexei Ivanovich.

[Maxom75]

Yes, it’s time to diagnose him, a clinical case of idiocy.

[SRC P-15]

Poroshenko: indisputable facts prove that Russia would not defeat fascism without Ukraine

So far, everything says the opposite: in Russia there is no fascism, but in Ukraine it flourishes with a magnificent color.

[just exp]

here he inadvertently made a mistake, saying that without Ukraine Russia could not have defeated the owners of the heroes of Ukraine from the OUN UPA.

[bulvas]

I do not want to say anything against the Ukrainians, but

Ukraine was occupied almost the entire war, and after the liberation it was destroyed.

In addition, a lot of effort was spent to drive Bandera from Ukraine


People - yes, they fought along with the other peoples of the USSR, factories and specialists exported to the east, the T-34, created in Kharkov, but Ukraine itself, and even separately from the rest of the USSR .....?

Correct if otherwise


If Petya survives on the next Victory Day, we will hear that Ukraine fought against Hitler on the side of the USA and Great Britain and thereby made a huge contribution to the Victory ...

[73bor]

I definitely know that without the Russian open spaces and the people living on them, the Ukrainian SSR would have been occupied for a very long time, from the letters of German soldiers the incomprehensibility of these immense SPACES is very well traced, I have a feeling that they (Europeans) felt, well, if not on another planet on the edge of the earth for sure, especially near Stalingrad!

[bulvas]

Quote: 73bor

I definitely know that without the Russian open spaces and the people living on them, the Ukrainian SSR would have been occupied for a very long time, from the letters of German soldiers the incomprehensibility of these immense SPACES is very well traced, I have a feeling that they (Europeans) felt, well, if not on another planet on the edge of the earth for sure, especially near Stalingrad!

I would also add that without Russia, without the rest of the USSR, Ukraine would never have become a flourishing republic with a developed and powerful industry.

[Major Yurik]

Thoughts kaklopatriotov a couple of years Svidomo!

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Major Yurik

Thoughts kaklopatriotov a couple of years Svidomo!

It’s not easy with frost :

[Lelek]

Quote: iliitch

It’s not easy with frost

Well, and not only with frost (although the frost is very even with it - he froze the heads of both).

[PValery53]

Deer is good. But not bad in hippos too.

[Lukich]

Quote: just explo

here he inadvertently made a mistake, saying that without Ukraine Russia could not have defeated the owners of the heroes of Ukraine from the OUN UPA.

[sever.56]

http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/986/vabw560.png

Except as a scoundrel and a villain, Potroshenko, after the unveiling of the monument to Jude Mazepa, and such statements, can not be called.
Anyway: - the time will come, and he will hang upside down on Khreshchatyk, like Mussolini.
Damn him for betraying the memory of the Ukrainians who died for our country
and praises the executioners, Bandera !!!

[Lukich]

and he is already a symbol

[Exsubmariner]

Hero cities 13.

[Lukich]

Quote: Exsubmariner

Hero cities 13.

Brest Hero Fortress

[rammjager]

Who is the symbol? Zaldostanov’s prank? What is the symbol of? New Russia? Dear Lukich, answer one question. Sevastopol has been under Ukraine for 25 years. Is it the city of Judah?

[Lukich]

Quote: rammjager

Lukich, answer one question. Sevastopol was under Ukraine for 25 years. Is it the city of Judah?

Sevastopol was and remains a Russian city and there were no Maidan races of banderlogs and fascists

[rammjager]

I have no more questions.

[HERMES]

Quote: Lukich

and he is already a symbol

The title of Hero City was also necessary for Baku. Baku Oil - breathed life into a weapon of retaliation.



Watch this documentary ... very well and beautifully shot.

[Pavel Tsybai]

It is believed that syphilis is not four but all six crosses, they say they survive.

[kolobok63]

As Ukrainians themselves say: "bad priest, bad and his prayer!"

[The point]

And they say: what is the pop-such and the parish. And Petyuni’s parishes are not weak, it’s stuck.

[Altona]

Quote: Rurikovich

No words ...

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I have a couple of words. What is it then the Svidomo troops of the Fuhrer with loafs ran out to meet? And why was all of Ukraine under German occupation?

[siberalt]

Again did not hangover

[Sergey-8848]

Well then what to do with them then?
Dead soldiers look and see.

[Vadim237]

Then Ukraine sank in the boilers and lay down under the Germans - the warriors there were still there - hundreds of thousands surrendered.

[naraevskij1957]

YOU ARE RIGHT, NATIVE !!! I have a word. "MARASMUS"

[avvg]

Next time Poroshenko will say that indisputable facts prove that without the participation of the "ancient ukrov", Columbus probably would not have discovered America.

[razmik72]

Quote: avvg

Without the participation of "ancient ukrov", Columbus probably would not have discovered America.

Without the participation of the Spaniards, Columbus certainly would not have discovered America.

[Greenwood]

The Spaniards are none other than the descendants of the great ukrov. Therefore, without the participation of the latter, there would have been no Spaniards, and therefore America would not have been open. Obviously the same.

[Lukich]

Quote: avvg

Next time Poroshenko will say that indisputable facts prove that without the participation of the "ancient ukrov", Columbus probably would not have discovered America.

[dkflbvbh]

"... continuing to destroy interethnic ties between the two fraternal peoples." - not fraternal, but a single people.

Cons, as I understand it, "Eurokhokhly" instructed ...

[Kos_kalinki9]

Cons, as I understand it, "Eurokhokhly" instructed ...

So they are in a deep grudge against us

yesterday, all Ukrainian media in every way discussed the insidiousness of the "gas station" and Putin's attacks in the direction of Valtsman. Rather, the lack of such.

Congratulations on Victory Day to the heads of several states, including the President of Ukraine, are not published on the Kremlin’s website. “Vladimir Putin congratulated the leaders of Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, as well as the citizens of Georgia and Ukraine on the 71st anniversary of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War,” the statement said. .

Putin also noted in his congratulatory message that “one cannot allow a revision of the general history, a repetition of the tragic events of the past.” At the same time, those same liquidators of historical memory were most indignant over Putin’s inattention to the one-guarantor of a great nation. The option that Putin simply “scored” the owner of the Lipetsk confectionery factory almost brought the fans of the red poppy sect to hysteria, they considered it almost a declaration of war and disrespect for the country that during the Second World War fought against the “commies and soviets”.

No, can you imagine, Karl, the country "aggressor" did not congratulate parsley. There are no words, no words.

[rotmistr60]

without the participation of Ukrainians, victory over fascism in World War II would have been impossible

When will he finally finish drinking and remember that he is already a whole president of a country that needs to be governed somehow. I settled down well - the Americans give instructions, they commit war crimes already on the "knurled", it remains only to puff up in Europe and plump, plump, plump ...

[Lukich]

Quote: rotmistr60

it remains only to puff up in Europe and thump, thump, thump ...

and in between money all over the world beg

[Amurets]

Quote: rotmistr60

When will he finally finish drinking and remember that he is already a whole president of a country that needs to be governed somehow. I settled down well - the Americans give instructions, they commit war crimes already on the "knurled", it remains only to puff up in Europe and plump, plump, plump ...

He thumps either from fear, or from the understanding that he and his mosquito will have to answer for everything. Those who ordered, wash their hands and say: "I, not I. The signatures are not mine. And you will not prove anything legally. Whoever signed, let him and answers. "Poroshenko will have to answer. Its facsimile is worth it.

[Magic archer]

Yesterday they showed how UPA fought against the Nazis ... I didn’t see anything more crazy ... It's like a pig against dirt or a bee against honey ...

[LEVIAFAN]

in the morning already ... honored so to speak.

[Egoza]

Quote: LEVIAFAN

in the morning already ... honored so to speak.

During the celebrations of 8 – 9 in May in Ukraine it will not be possible to use the Victory Banner.
This was reported in the press service of the Ukrainian Institute of National Memory.
So, according to the current legislation, the public use of the Victory Banner is “propaganda of the communist totalitarian regime”.
“The“ flag of victory ”contains totalitarian communist symbolism, therefore its distribution or public use is propaganda of the communist totalitarian regime and is illegal,” explained Sergey Ryabenko, lawyer of the Ukrainian Institute of National Memory

And after that any IT is still offended !!!! came up with "May 8-9 Day of Remembrance and Reconciliation dedicated to the memory of the victims of World War II" !!!!
Yes, nevermind to you, not reconciliation! All the same, our veterans will come out wearing orders and medals! portraits of I.V. Stalin. all the same, our students put on a St. George ribbon! Shkandal !!! Guard!!!! Yes, only this means that it does not go to fool ALL! Anyway, we will win!

[Lukich]

Quote: Egoza

And after that any IT is still offended !!!! came up with "May 8-9 Day of Remembrance and Reconciliation dedicated to the memory of the victims of World War II" !!!!

Published: May 9 2016
In Kharkov, while laying flowers at the Glory Memorial on Monday, May 9, 2016, a fight broke out between members of ultra-neo-Nazi organizations and people who were walking in a column to lay flowers at the Memorial.

[Victor-M]

Petro Poroshenko, speaking to veterans in Kiev, said that without the participation of Ukrainians, victory over fascism in World War II would have been impossible, the press service of the Ukrainian president reports to RIA Novosti.

Wow, seeing the atrocities of Bandera scum, the Soviet soldier became so furious that at the same time he broke the ridge of fascism.

Poroshenko: undeniable facts prove that Russia would not triumph over fascism without Ukraine

And yet Russia.

[Redfox3k]

what’s there .... keep your pocket wider ... without Pedro Parashenko himself there would be no victory
I put the minus ... Pedro Parashenka ... I had enough quotes from his speech.

[Dart2027]

Son, there are adequate Ukrainians ... but they are Russian

[HERMES]

As it was said 2000 years ago - "Brother will rise against brother" ...

“For the people shall rise against the people, and the kingdom against the kingdom; and there will be smooth waters and earthquakes in places. ”Matthew 24: 7.

“And because of the multiplication of lawlessness, love will cool in many” Gospel of Matthew 24:12.

“Know that in the last days perilous times will come. For people will be they are proud, silver-loving, proud, arrogant, malicious, parents disobedient, ungrateful, wicked, unfriendly, unapologetic, slanderers, restless, cruel, not loving kindness, traitors, arrogant, pompous, more voluptuous, rather than God-loving ”2 Timothy 3: 1-4.

[Weyland]

Quote: Dart2027

but they are russian

For example, Lev Gumilyov’s mother is a great Russian poetess from Kiev Anna Gorenko (better known under the nickname "Akhmatova"), EMNIP, did not write a single poem in "Ridnaya mov"

[Dart2027]

As one famous publicist N. Starikov noted, when the most ardent Ukrainians are forgotten, they immediately begin to speak Russian.

[Grave With Cross 3]

Someday all these oligarchs: both ours and them will die (or they will be helped to do this). It is they who drive a wedge of blood into a single Slavic people. And then again, these pictures will be relevant.

[Grave With Cross 3]

And another video in the topic: Nikita Mikhalkov about those who pitted the Russian people. In particular, very frank statements that the Russians killed the Russians by Kolomoisky.

[1536]

If this happens in the Urals, as N.S. Mikhalkov, then we must fight this! And today there is only one way to fight: by participating in elections and preventing these people from being dressed in togas, peacekeepers and fighters for the people's cause, from coming to power! We all know them by name, they don’t even hide in front of us and mock us, but we vote for them? Who chose these enemies in the Urals? Who drew the "Ural" money? Who publishes books that can educate Ivanov who do not remember their kinship? We must be vigilant. We will not have one country and the other! Once many of us lost our country - the USSR. The destruction of the Russian Federation must not be allowed to the delight of the scoundrels who fill their purse on the tears of the Russian people! In my opinion, looking at Mikhalokov, this began to reach a part of those in power in Russia. Maybe we need to support them today!

[Grave With Cross 3]

That's what Mikhalkov says in the video. Zionists rejoice that they have separated our people for 100 years ...

[33 Watcher]

Mentally, inferior, drunk, destructive pig! All...

[Lukich]

Quote: Observer 33

Mentally, inferior, drunk, destructive pig! All...

[33 Watcher]

This one is prettier ...
In general, I have nothing against pigs, that’s me in the literary sense. Simply, on a holiday he managed to insult all veterans, both ours and Ukrainian ... All ... He would have to fill his face

[HERMES]

Quote: Lukich

Quote: Observer 33

Mentally, inferior, drunk, destructive pig! All...

[Pitot]

The door is over. When will this spit slap? Bred fascists, chocolate scum ....

[HERMES]

Quote: Pitot

The door is over.

And on the other continent "smoked dvar" muddies the water ...

[Chulman]

From the same gruendelabr !!! !

[YarGa]

Only Poroshenko has no relation to Ukraine. Only as an occupier. Gauleiter.

[HERMES]

Quote: YarGa

Only Poroshenko has no relation to Ukraine. Only as an occupier. Gauleiter.

Unfortunately, today few people want to understand. They are ready to tear each other's throats. Forgetting that two people are brothers not by rank, but by blood. Forgetting that our ancestors fought shoulder to shoulder always, and forged victory SHOULDER to SHOULDER always.

[erased]

An indisputable fact - if Poros had a head, he would have long faded from Kiev. And the Soviet people won. What this gandolier forgot about.

[Thirteenth]

Ukraine is ruled by the HOMSE!

[HERMES]

Quote: Thirteenth

Ukraine is ruled by the HOMSE!

Still fagot? Then he comes to you!

[Ezhaak]

Quote: NOTICE ABOUT BOY

Amid such undeniable historical facts, have the audacity to claim that Russia would have won the war without Ukraine. Would not have won this war without the Ukrainians ...

There would be no Ukrainians, there would be no one to fight with. Only Banderites resisted the Soviet army. Therefore, their descendants now "bark" at Russia.

[LukaSaraev]

Sorry, moderators. But why is he needed here today? Tired of colic. You write about me, though I am a Jew whose Nazi shot one grandfather. another near Smolensk in a mass grave. But Ukraine, Yushchenko, Tymoshenko and this chwan ... well, they lifted up in kind. No one is interested in what he sculpts there.

[behemot]

Ukrainians are like port whores, both ours and yours, heroically with the Soviet invaders, are fighting along with fascist friends, now without Ukrainians there would have been no victory over the fascists. We would have already decided which side to take. In short, the insignificance is vile, it would have drunk a lot of water and did not shine.

[SPACE]

Quote: Poroshenko

“How can one, against the background of such undeniable historical facts, have the audacity to claim that Russia would have won the war without Ukraine?” Would not have won this war without the Ukrainians ... ",

I wonder what kind of Ukrainians did he mean? Those animals from the UPA and SS Galichina who are honored as heroes in Ukraine today. Or cavaliers of the Order of Glory, World War II and the Star of the Hero with Ukrainian roots who broke the ridge of fascism and who today are forbidden by the invaders to go out on Victory Day, wear orders and flags of a non-existent country of the winner.
Z.Y. Amazing metamorphoses occurred with people in the territory most affected by the fascist yoke. Ukrainians in the most terrible and blasphemous form betrayed the common world, their ancestors, forgot history and brought heaven’s punishment to their heads. Everyone had a choice and everyone made it, now the time has come for reckoning. This is the highest law of the universe.

[3vs]

Lampposts will wait someday ...

[Fonmeg]

Goat greases!

[Fonmeg]

Happy Victory Day. The most important thing that I want to wish all the forum users on this day is what our grandfathers fought for - peace be upon you! May there always be a clear sky and a bright sun above your head. I wish you Victory Day health, joy and happiness. Let victory accompany everywhere and always, let only good and sincere people be near. I wish that the heart does not know pain and longing, and in the soul always played a victorious march.

[Darth Revan]

How tired of all this x ... nya with 404! Even in the bud it was possible to strangle all this riffraff! What was stopping, please tell me? The opinion of the world community? Yes in the mouth of this community!

[bolyasnikov evgenij]

PETA you fucking ........ !!!!

[Yuriy Nikolayevich]

Oh, Petya Petya.)))

[volodya]

That's for sure. Especially his friends helped, Bandera, right up to 1959.

[skobars]

So d and on t --- the SOVIET PEOPLE fought against fascism, and what does it have to do with its great warriors.

[Egoza]

Quote: skobars

So d and on t --- the SOVIET PEOPLE fought against fascism, and what does it have to do with its great warriors.

And you? Do not know? Well it was the USSR that attacked the poor "real" western Ukraine, enslaved it, built schools, hospitals, and other occupation organizations. Now the "great Ukrainians" are suffering. it is impossible to paint everything.

[Yarik76]

Pedro you are a stupid person!

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Do not pour it anymore!

[NordUral]

Parsley! It’s time to stop raving already.

[Kibl]

Well, Petyunya cannot fail to blur out some kind of stupidity or disgusting holiday !!! Not in his character !!!

[novobranets]

So the black employer would otherwise kick him under the knee, and Petske will have nowhere to go when he smells of a wild boar.

[Ros 56]

Eh, men are good, don’t pour this jerk anymore, I gave a hoot for the whole parade of 0,35 vodkas, and this one, apparently without measure, who guarded him, the reprimand with entry into the jaw.

[vfqjh]

I wonder if the Russians had not liberated Ukraine, where could he arrange this coven ??? Goat, he is a goat in Africa!

[sabakina]

Well, he already stole one "Victory", though so far in the form of M-20 (photo from the direct TV channel 112 ya below). I will not be surprised that in a year they will say that Russia hasn’t ever fought, because The Ukrainian front was (and not one), but there was no Russian, and the crest accepted the surrender ...
Screen of "stolen" Victory ".

[alean245]

undeniable facts prove that Russia would not have triumphed over fascism without Ukraine

Poproshenko said, exterminating a fair amount of dry, semi-dry and semi-sweet.

[novobranets]

Quote: alean245

exterminating a fair amount of dry, semi-dry and semi-sweet.

[Mercenary]

"Wouldn't have won this war without the Ukrainians"
And who disputes? The people were alone, and if it had not been necessary to fight against Bandera, you look and the war ended a month earlier, and how many guys were alive.

[mr.fafes]

Ukraine, and to be more precise, OKRAINE, is not up to the state that the limitroph has existed in this world for only 16 years.
Poroshenko completely beguiled fantasies with reality.
What are the merits of the Ukrainian quasi-state if such a state did not exist then.
Merits of Ukrainians yes !!! There is no state !!!
Judging by the fact that these are not up to people create in Ukraine and with their people, this fascist pack of wild dogs are descendants of those
Bendery fascists who licked the feet of Hitler and destroyed their people for the glory of the Reich.

[razmik72]

[quote = mr.fafes] Ukraine, and more precisely OKRAINE, it’s not up to the state that the limitroph has existed in this world for only 16 years.
Poroshenko completely beguiled fantasies with reality.


I did not want to get into a dispute between Russians and Ukrainians, but your statement about the statehood of Ukrainians with a time span of 16 years does not stand up to criticism, because Russian statehood began with Kievan Rus, in Soviet times they thoroughly studied history

[Aleksandr1959]

in Soviet times, history was studied thoroughly

Nikolai Kostomarov in the book "Bogdan Khmelnitsky" (p. 17) quotes a letter (wagon) of Sigismund Augustus to the Zaporozhye Cossacks:

"We inquired that you, having arbitrarily left our Ukrainian castles and cities, live on the Niz, along the Dnieper in the fields and at other entrances, and cause harm and plunder to the subjects of the Turkish king, ... (........ .) ... We order you to return to our castles and cities, from the field, from the Bottom, and from all the entrances ... (....) ... if someone does not obey our real order, then our Ukrainian elders will mete severe punishment. "

================ 1568 year.

From this letter it follows that Ukraine was called Ukraine = Poles, moreover, it was Polish Ukraine (with a small letter)

Before the revolution, the Russian nation was united, and the names “Great Russia”, “Little Russia”, “Belarus” were perceived as concepts defining geographical place of origin one or another Russian citizen of the Russian Empire. National separatists, on the other hand, assign ethnographic meanings to them, going against the historical reality of their origin.

[Dart2027]

Quote: razmik72

but your statement about the statehood of Ukrainians with a period of 16 years does not stand up to criticism, because Russian statehood began with Kievan Rus

I wonder how the fact that the capital of Rus was in Kiev for some time speaks of some kind of "statehood of the Ukrainians"? Russia is Russia, and to say that what has now become Ukraine was part of Russia is to confirm the fact that there has never been any nation-state there and these are Russian territories.

[Aleksandr1959]

There were two centers of Russian statehood. Kievan Rus and ... Moscow principality.
The Principality of Moscow remains. And it became a real center of Russian statehood

and to say that what has now become Ukraine was part of Russia - this means confirming the fact that no nation-state has ever been there and that is Russian territory.

Absolutely right.
I will repeat a little.

Before the revolution, the Russian nation was united, and the names “Great Russia”, “Little Russia”, “Belarus” were perceived as concepts defining the geographical place of origin of one or another Russian citizen of the Russian Empire. National separatists, on the other hand, assign ethnographic meanings to them, going against the historical reality of their origin.

[razmik72]

I would be glad if there were the same number of Armenians in the world as Russians, even if divided into Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Transnistria, and I would never raise a weapon on my brother, as you do now. seemingly innocent articles about Belarus and its president, as if by chance a thought is put into the reader’s head that the old man wants only to milk Russia. Such custom-made articles lead not only to the unification of the once united ethnic group, but even worse, they cause enmity and hatred.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Alexander1959

There were two centers of Russian statehood. Kievan Rus and ... Moscow principality.

The principality of Moscow could not physically be a rival to Kievan Rus, because at the time when Kiev was the capital, Moscow was a small town that did not play any role. Her elevation began after Kiev finally lost its position.

[razmik72]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: Alexander1959

There were two centers of Russian statehood. Kievan Rus and ... Moscow principality.

The principality of Moscow could not physically be a rival to Kievan Rus, because at the time when Kiev was the capital, Moscow was a small town that did not play any role. Her elevation began after Kiev finally lost its position.

It is not necessary that one ethnic group lives within the same state, but enmity and civil strife within an ethnic group separated by history is deadly, in a difficult year, Russians and Ukrainians should come to the rescue, first of all, not Uzbeks and Armenians, seeing your swarms, other countries and peoples will beware to support Russia at a crucial moment in history. To taftology lovers I’ll say that the army and navy do not always solve problems, there should be a twin brother next to which you can lean.

[gur4enk]

What can I say -! SOVIET PEOPLE won, and Ukraine is its integral part. Glory to the victorious warriors! Death to the fascists and their minions!

[kostya-petrov]

What the fuck Ukraine in 1941-45 years? Then there was one state - the Soviet Union! The war was then won by the Soviet people, and not by individual socialist republics.
Ukraine in those years, as a separate state was not considered. There was then the Ukrainian SSR, which was part of the USSR.
But Poroshenko does not understand this.

[akula]

Quote: erased

An indisputable fact - if Poros had a head, he would have long faded from Kiev. And the Soviet people won. What this gandolier forgot about.

He didn’t forget anything, he just wanted to eat a fish and a stake, but the price was too high and there is no turning back now for him, so he drinks, then there are still remnants of conscience. Our oligarchs are no better, you might think great patriots, they’ll surrender the people for a penny in which case, if not yet surrendered.

[parafoiler]

But only fascism managed to bite Ukraine and mortally infect it with itself ...

[kolobok63]

Friends, the great Ukrainians dug up the sea, built a great wall (Chinese), betrayed everyone who can be, what else is needed for a break? Every fourth crest in the war was a policeman! And this drunkard or not frightened or pid ..st!

[roman72-452]

The facts prove only one thing, there was no Ukraine, there was the Soviet Red Army and there was the Bandera rabble of the OUN UPA and other scum with which the Red Army fought and which won. Happy Victory Day !!!

[mamont5]

Again, Piggy got licked. Well, how much can you? Don’t pour him anymore, Poros will answer the tribunal, and he’ll suck ... I understand that it’s scary, but ... you have to endure and wait. Soon already in the camera.

[VeteranVS]

"without Ukraine ..", which on 22.06 41 did not exist independently, in any form (the Ukrainian SSR was a part of the USSR), and the Ukrainians who fought against the Nazis, like the rest of the peoples of the USSR ... what is the connection? remember the school, the history textbook, the structure of the USSR (since 1922).

[Yak-15]

Waltzman! Well, you can’t eat so much vodka! This is bad manners.

[Egoza]

Quote: YAK-15

Waltzman! Well, you can’t eat so much vodka! This is bad manners.

Well hello! Petya called personally - "in each house - a moonshine still!" They say for sugrevu (there is no gas) and beneficial for health, prevention of influenza (we also have no medicine). and who said there is not a lot of vodka, there is not enough snacks? That's it, there are practically no snacks left, and the one that is - hefty expensive. Here is Petya and tasting moonshine in every hut.

[Aleksandr1959]

In the Great Patriotic War, the Great Soviet People defeated. And the point.

[sako911]

It was said correctly that there was no Russia and Ukraine, but there were the RSSR and the USSR.

[svp67]

Quote: sako911

It was said correctly that there was no Russia and Ukraine, but there were the RSSR and the USSR.

It was not not any RSSR, but the RSFSR was part of the USSR. How short is human memory ...

[naraevskij1957]

open the map of 1913. You will envy.

[naraevskij1957]

SANYA, YOU ARE 1000 RIGHT. Because in the SOVIET PEOPLE, if my memory serves me, 189 nations and nationalities. AND ALL should be respected, because each has its own order and customs.

[Furious bambr]

An indisputable fact: the booze didn’t bring anyone to good

[RUSIVAN]

I agree ... probably every day squirrels go to Poroshenko, and with whole families.

[Comrade Glebov]

Each people of the great Soviet Union made its contribution to the victory with labor and blood, and the Ukrainians are no exception. It is a pity that our fraternal people are still torn away from us. He will return soon and we will win more than one victory together. Happy Great Victory Day, comrades! Eternal memory and glory to the heroes who saved the world from fascism, we will be worthy of the honor of being called their descendants!

[yuriy55]

Quote: Comrade Glebov

...It’s a pity that our fraternal people are still torn away from us...

I apologize, but those who had common parents are called brothers (sisters). One can only regret those citizens of Ukraine who will never recognize Russian-Ukrainian kinship. And together we will be able to win “more than one victory”... only if the Ukrainian regions begin to voluntarily become part of the Russian Federation.

IMHO, if anything happens, you can check it in 40-50 years...

[Vadim237]

Unfortunately, these Ukrainian people were already rotten then.

[Monster_Fat]

The “shtetl”, opportunistic, purely mercantile worldview of the current inhabitants of Ukraine is simply amazing: today I called to Ukraine to congratulate one of my comrades who lives there on the Great Victory Day and “fell into” one of his relatives, who is so little familiar to him (a casual acquaintance) , since my friend himself was not at home at that moment, well, I congratulated him on the Victory and, out of politeness, asked how they celebrate this Great Holiday. Do you know what this character answered me? “Well, we’re not celebrating...” I asked, why aren’t you celebrating, since we all won that war together? He answered: “Why celebrate it, then... WHAT DO WE FROM THAT VICTORY...” I silently hung up. Well, not u.r.o.d.s, damn it.

[Proud.]

From the diary of Sidor Artemyevich Kovpak, approximately July 3 – 5, 1943:
"...Answers of the captured Melnikovites. How did the Melnikovsky gang form? With the arrival of the Germans, all the kulaks joined the Ukrainian police, because it was possible to rob the Jews. The junk stolen from the Jews was sold and drunk.

Time passes, the Jews are killed, you have to eat, drink, but for what?

The Germans put the police on a ration of 500 grams of bread, pinned them down, and began beating them. The police didn't like it. She runs into the forest, organizes into gangs (swarm, couple, hundred, kuren, regiment) - and attacks the unarmed Poles. They burn the villages, kill and slaughter the people, take away bread, meat, lard and all available products and go to the kuren (forest). They get drunk and sleep. They walk around like gentlemen, what else?

(Lard with bacon, sleeping on the straw, smacking its teeth.) Ideas? Independent Ukraine? Yes, it's just politics.

The Bulbovites say that their idea was inspired by the advanced ones, and the Banderaites say that theirs; and the Melnikites say: you all go to “f... and mother” - our independent ones.

Melnikov's troops are armed with 1-45 mm cannon, 20 light machine guns, 3 heavy machine guns, up to 30 thousand rounds of ammunition, 2 mortars and about 260 people. The commander is Chasnyk, the assistant is Myasnyk, in general, Ivan Gimno and Semyon Z... a..." gathered together.

[Obolensky]

At that time there was no time for sharing... Kazakh, Ukrainian, Russian, Georgian... The war, like the Victory, was one for all. And not all Poroshenkos and other moral monsters need to rewrite history!

[egor1712]

The pig, after a long binge, picked up the “squirrel” again. So he's delirious....

[Koryatovich]

At the same time, he did not specify who this “impudent person” was, disputing Ukraine’s contribution to the common cause of the Great Victory, what kind of idiot, excuse me, could come up with such an idea.

Most likely, he meant this video:


Specifically from 3:21: “Now regarding our relations with Ukraine. I beg to differ with you when you just said that if we were divided, we would not have won the war. We would have won anyway.”

[Lera Tagan]

Who is this?...
Poppy on the chest-
cannabis in the head,
fig in the food -
brains on point!

[rus-5819]

Quote: skobars

So d and on t --- the SOVIET PEOPLE fought against fascism, and what does it have to do with its great warriors.

Short and sweet! Happy Great Victory Day to all forum members Soviet people over fascist scum!
We didn’t finish it off in ’45, but we’ll finish it off anyway, a little later.

[AID.S]

Well, my son of a bitch, I finally found a reason to drink on the 9th...

[sounddoc]

The Waltsmans are an ancient family...Betrayal and alcohol are in their blood....
Judas is a pastry chef...ugh!!!!

[Pitot]

And you know, after everything that happened in the region, for me they will no longer be brotherly people. I will give this vow to my children and grandchildren. There were no such people, they were artificially invented on their own. And God forbid, these fascist nits will disappear. And all the poops too. Dissolve them......

[Lelek]

[We would not have won this war without the Ukrainians...]

Yes, the USSR would not have won the Second World War without the participation of more than a hundred peoples living on its territory, but it (the USSR) would definitely have lost the war if the population of the Ukrainian SSR consisted of the Valtsmans, Avakovs, Turchinovs, Yaroshas, ​​Tyagniboks, etc. m.r.a.z.i, and the population of the GrSSR consisted of Saakashvili, and not the “Fathers of the Soldier”.

[lkom11]

They give birth to such boars the same way. Complete maidan of the brain.

[realist]

Of course, under the USSR, residents of Soviet Ukraine took an active part in the fight against fascism - but today’s outskirts are not what they were in 1939-1945, and there is no point in clinging to the feat of other people!
and not all the residents fought on the side of the Red Army - and it’s worse that the heirs of those who fought against today and are at the helm of power in the outskirts!

[Aandrewsir]

What is there to comment on!? Look at his face! It doesn't dry out, poor fellow!

[Dmitry Potapov]

Woke up! But they definitely won’t take you to Europe for such words! They don't like their liberators there! They like to live in Americans' pants as linen lice.

[GSVG 86-88]

Another nonsense of an alcoholic, let him buy high school textbooks and read that the USSR fought with the Nazis.

[arnulla]

Is Poroshenko flying or something? Someone said that they would have won even without Ukraine? Poroshenko is just like our liberals - they come up with a parallel reality for themselves, they themselves believe in it, they themselves begin to live in it. And then they are very surprised at the discrepancy between their idea of ​​reality and the real reality.

[avg-mgn]

I don’t know who wrote his speech, who the director of this performance is, but from what has been said it follows that the United States, shouting to the whole world about “exclusively its victory over Fascism,” has washed itself! We are waiting for the State Department's reaction.
Happy Victory Day to all of us, Eternal memory to the fallen and those who did not live...

[Verdun]

There was one big country - the USSR. And the inhabitants of all its republics fought for victory in the war. To deny the contribution of the people of Ukraine to the victory is simply stupid. But it is no less stupid to present this as some kind of special national achievement. This was not an achievement, but a common grief of one, united people. And it’s extremely disappointing that in that war we were brothers, but today we treat each other like dogs guarding various summer cottages.

[mark_rod]

Quote: Thrall

And these people once wore shoulder straps of Soviet soldiers ...

Apparently they were a little sullied in the army, but now they are offended...)))

[Fitter65]

“The soldiers and officers of the Soviet army had one homeland, and at the front it never occurred to anyone to divide into Russians and Armenians, Ukrainians and Kazakhs, Tatars and Georgians.”

And there was only one Soviet people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rus83]

Parsley immediately started sniffing glue

[weksha50]

“We would like to remind you that the Russian leadership has repeatedly stated that this was a common victory. Vladimir Putin, in particular, emphasized that “it is necessary to remember the heroism of representatives of all nationalities”...

We were together, and therefore we were strong...
The Soviet people won (no matter how they scolded this “Sovietness”, which, in general, excluded belonging to any nation)...

I am not at all going to belittle the role of Ukrainians in the victory over Nazi Germany... But when they start playing with the percentage of nationalities participating in the defense of the Motherland, we should not forget about the number, small number, large number of certain peoples...

Even among the deported peoples (Chechens, Crimean Tatars) there were Heroes fighting for the freedom and independence of their homeland... Even among the Jews, to whom the current prezik of Ukraine Valtsman belongs, there were Heroes fighting for the same freedom and independence...

Valtsman's play on priorities in the past Victory is another extremely shameful step in his political career...

Shame and disgrace... Or - in Ukrainian - “Ganba!!!”...

[drags33]

piglet cattle... Just cattle! And I don’t want to comment on anything...

PS: in the picture there is a bust in the homeland of the “hero” pig...

[Donlomakin]

But after his re-election, Poroshenko can publish a book. "My own collection of idiotic sayings"

[Ivan Ivanych]

Let’s not forget that Ukrainians are also Russians. This is our Victory!

[sergzub]

who writes texts for him?

[fzr1000]

Corrupt bitch, you and your offspring are in hell, Poroshenko-Valtsman-Rabinovich.

[SklochPensioner]

"...Russia would not have won victory over fascism without Ukraine"

Ugh, what a Mr.! Without you, ...dry, where are we, orphans?

[romandostalo]

When will he get the fuck drunk???

[Bramb]

I didn't understand. They said that Russia attacked Germany and Ukraine.
So, now, with defeat to you, Ukrainian citizens!
What disgusting creatures, these pig-faced ones! Deceitful, cowardly, corrupt... It feels like at the creation of the world God went to the toilet in Ukraine.

[Bramb]

Quote: Monster_Fat

The “shtetl”, opportunistic, purely mercantile worldview of the current inhabitants of Ukraine is simply amazing: today I called to Ukraine to congratulate one of my comrades who lives there on the Great Victory Day and “fell into” one of his relatives, who is so little familiar to him (a casual acquaintance) , since my friend himself was not at home at that moment, well, I congratulated him on the Victory and, out of politeness, asked how they celebrate this Great Holiday. Do you know what this character answered me? “Well, we’re not celebrating...” I asked, why aren’t you celebrating, since we all won that war together? He answered: “Why celebrate it, then... WHAT DO WE FROM THAT VICTORY...” I silently hung up. Well, not u.r.o.d.s, damn it.

I have always said and repeat: crests are NOT our brothers and never have been! These are ordinary selyuks!
They don't need anything. They never lived freely. Their whole life: they grew potatoes, onions - they took them to the city and sold them. The highest happiness is to give your daughter away in marriage somewhere far away: to Moscow or Europe. All!!!
All our inventions like industry, honor, justice, independence, development, space, science, etc. - they don’t need everything. For them it is empty, incomprehensible, unnecessary. A crest is simply a beast in the guise of a man. Stop fraternizing and stepping on the same rake. We've been through this before. Stall them all - period!!!

[Verdun]

I have always said and repeat: crests are NOT our brothers and never have been! These are ordinary selyuks!

Nazism has different guises. And since today we are celebrating the victory over Nazi Germany, there is no point in sullying this bright date with such statements.

[Bramb]

You, a citizen of an unknown country, are mistaken!
Not only over Nazi Germany, but over world fascism!!!
WHOLE EUROPE worked for the Nazis then! And among them are crests, who were the best accomplices of the fascists and even outdid them in many ways!
Learn the materiel, baby!

[Bramb]

Quote: Verdun

I have always said and repeat: crests are NOT our brothers and never have been! These are ordinary selyuks!

Nazism has different guises. And since today we are celebrating the victory over Nazi Germany, there is no point in sullying this bright date with such statements.

Agree. Especially when you consider that it was the crests who greeted the Nazis with flowers and bread and created the Bandera movement, killing our relatives deliberately and consciously.
And stick your minus in yourself, you know where.
A crest is a cattle and must live in a stall and not go out without permission! I repeat this for the dull and those who did not care about their relatives, whom the crests killed and continue to kill.

[Verdun]

A crest is a cattle and must live in a stall and not go out without permission! Bramb

Learn materiel? Fine!

Joseph Trofimovich Dotsenko (November 15, 1916, Shlyakhovoye village, Kegichevsky district, Kharkov region - September 28, 1943) - Hero of the Soviet Union (1943).

Mikhail Ilyich Kossa (1921-1950) - ace pilot, major of the Soviet Army, participant in the Great Patriotic War, Hero of the Soviet Union (1946), repressed, rehabilitated posthumously. Mikhail Kossa was born on October 20, 1921 in the village of Malokaterinovka (now a village in Zaporozhye area of ​​the Zaporozhye region of Ukraine)

Anatoly Ivanovich Mirovich (1914-1976) - participant in the Great Patriotic War, deputy squadron commander of the 98th Guards Separate Reconnaissance Aviation Regiment of the Reserve of the Main Command of the Air Force of the Red Army, guard captain. Hero of the Soviet Union.
Born on June 19, 1914 in the village of Kazanka of the Russian Empire, now the Nikolaev region of Ukraine, into a peasant family. Ukrainian.

Dmitry Pavlovich Nazarenko (November 26, 1917, Ivanovka village, Dnepropetrovsk region - October 19, 1969, Odessa) - ace pilot, squadron commander of the 131st Fighter Aviation Regiment. Major General of Aviation. Hero of the Soviet Union. Born on November 26, 1917 in the village of Ivanovka, now Tsarichansky district, Dnepropetrovsk region, in a peasant family. Ukrainian.

Ivan Aleksandrovich Musienko (September 23, 1915, Sumy region - August 22, 1989) - commander of the 6th separate guards Moscow Red Banner Order of Suvorov assault aviation regiment. Major General. Hero of the Soviet Union. Born on September 23, 1915 in the village of Yamnoye, Velikopisarevsky district, Sumy region of Ukraine, in the family of a poor peasant. Ukrainian.

Something like this. And you can continue for a very long time. And you and your statements belong next to Poroshenko. Shoulder to shoulder.

[Nana]

Of course I wouldn't win! so many peoples fought shoulder to shoulder and were not interested in nationalities! it was one victory for all! and all these conversations of Mr. Poroshenko, and not only - these are dances on the bones of our ancestors. ashamed!

[Bramb]

What distinguishes a Man from cattle or a Ukrainian?
Man does, and cattle use the particle “would”, because they cannot do anything themselves.
Here crests use expressions with “would”: brutes, sir...

[tchoni]

But where do crests have anything special to do with it? This victory would not have been possible without the Georgians, Kazakhs, Chukchi, Turkmens, Mongols, Buryats, Jews and many others. This is a common victory for the peoples of the USSR. And it was achieved thanks to UNITY. And only in case of UNITY of these peoples can it be repeated. And preferably not in the military, but in the economic field!

[izGOI]

Somehow Petro has been too clever. Because (according to current terminology) Victory, along with everyone else, was achieved by the ideological ancestors of the current “Colorados” and “Vatniks”, not those from whom the “Svidomo” and “Banderlog” descended. Which, unfortunately, were pitied and their re-education in the Gulag was not completed.

[PValery53]

Potroshonkin “out of the simplicity of his soul” does not take into account that during the 2nd World War there were no discussions about the state “Ukraine”. Pupkin is “stupid”, so what can you do with him?..

[iouris]

The indisputable facts are: 1) “Ukraine” is the small homeland of the Little Russians - an essential part of the Russian people, 2) Poroshenko is not an ethnic Russian.

[erik cartman]

Quote: Furious Bambr

An indisputable fact: the booze didn’t bring anyone to good

Such a person is easy to control and trainable, like Pavlov’s dog. It's all about reflexes. The glass is not poured and is silent, but he drank it - and the flight of thought takes him beyond the horizon, I wonder if the Americans awarded him an academic degree? In general, it’s time for Poroshenko to give himself a star (strangely, not a trident) as a hero of Ukraine. There's a lot of stuff, it'll take 100 years to sort it out.

[sergzub]

well, it’s not even a country at all, but some kind of strange formation

[evgen7419]

This is a stupid man... why did he even say that? What does Ukraine have to do with this, the entire Soviet Union fought

[mgfly]

can he tell him from whose land the Germans extracted raw materials for the especially strong armor of their tanks, and how much the quality of their armor dropped after the liberation of the occupied lands began???

[Playerman]

What is he? ? Or Alkash?