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Ally and enemy. American Jackpot in World War II

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Ally and enemy. American Jackpot in World War II
New - well forgotten old. “Gentlemen! Europe is in danger! ”



The Third Reich stubbornly delayed the denouement, but it nevertheless approached inevitably. Many people gazed into the future through the aiming bars, squinting and accompanying their actions with comments from the folklore. But there were others. They were far from the scene, but they also squinted, studying the numbers and summaries with the eyes of professional players on the stock exchange. Not everyone shared the joy of the imminent end of the war in Europe. Weighed the balance of power, already new, post-war, counted divisions and resources. The traditional rival - this one, which made the eyes look so insane, is one sixth of the land, - the title of the main enemy was returned to the plans and plans. Moreover, the current enemy (for an annoying misunderstanding for many members of the club) has already been writhing in agony. Business people, not spoiled by sentimentality, wanted to get a benefit even in this position.

War is war and business is on schedule

The war was one of the most profitable types of business. This truth is the descendants of dashing guys in leather riding pants and a product of Mr. Colt in their pockets understood better than the law of God in elite schools, which far from all got. In 1918, the United States took its first jackpot in this century. Old and not so much, the empires lay in ruins, the opponents were thrown into poverty and devastation. The winners, bleeding and washing away from tired faces afterwards, leaned on the kindly hand of the kind Uncle Sam who had been carefully substituted. He was very generous, supplying machine guns, trucks, canned meat and all sorts of useful stuff for a modest fee in unreasonable quantities until quite recently striking Entente. A very profitable enterprise consistently yielded income, although at the beginning of 1918, it almost went bankrupt, and I had to “send the guys across the ocean.” After the shooting ended in a large saloon called “Europe”, a dazzlingly smiling Woodrow Wilson went there, immediately explaining who was the senior business partner and who was offering coffee. ... No matter how belligerently Mr. Blemanceau’s bristling mustache is.

The peaceful post-war years were not good for Uncle Sam. And if the economic crisis 1920 – 21. caused only acute migraine, then a much more serious 1929 – 1933 ailment led to severe depression. A consilium of doctors of finance and captains of big business has prescribed vigorous foreign policy as an effective means of treatment. In fairness, not everyone wanted it. There was a heresy dangerous for the patient called “isolationism”. Its essence was based on quite logical postulates: Europe is far away, it is very strange and in general, “we are on this bank, and you are on that”. Franklin Roosevelt, who was at the helm among the waves of crisis, maneuvered skillfully and carefully. The United States strongly distanced itself from the Italian-Ethiopian and Spanish Civil War. But in Europe it smelled of powder again. The former corporal of the Kaiser army, who made his fiery speeches in pubs and at rallies, became head of Germany. And then a thunderstorm broke out.

Initially, Uncle Sam was in no hurry to fight, muttering to himself that this was not his fight. However, the gentlemen who knew this character well allowed themselves to doubt the sincerity of the hardened rogue. The homeland of the founding fathers, the mistress of the seas, shyly hiding the patches on the once pretentious and expensive dress, spitting on pride, turned to overseas cousins ​​for help. And they helped, guided by the axiom expressed by Roosevelt about selling a fire hose to a neighbor who has a house on fire. And a proud empire, crooked and not blushing (not the time to be embarrassed), gave its islands and bases for a handful of old destroyers. But Uncle Sam would have been a simple ingenuous man in the street, if he had forgotten about those who threw torches into the house of the abused neighbor. They also need and could ... buy something. After all, business people will always find something in common with each other. Germany officially declared war on the US 11 on December 1941 of the year, but in fact fighting between German submarines and American escort ships was fought long before this date. While the waters of the Atlantic, once again stained with blood and fuel oil, foamed with traces of torpedoes, profits and losses were counted in the silence of the cozy cabinets. The second ones were considerable, but the planned figures of the first ones were simply impressive. And there were desperate gentlemen who remembered the advice of grandfathers who like to grumble around the fireplace about the fury of the redskins: take little fortune by the hand, you have to force her to sit down next to him and have a drink for brotherhood.

Germany, with its industry, one of the most developed in the world, was virtually isolated. The scarce raw materials, so necessary for many types of productions, had to be found literally with circus artistry. Venerable gentlemen (among whom were not only descendants of successful gold prospectors and pioneers of the Wild West, but also people from good families, with traditions and manners), could not indifferently look at the difficulties of other, no less well-born colleagues. Nothing that they were enemies ... what a trifle! German and American firms had a strong partnership: since the autumn of 1924 through 1929, the German industry received loans of more than one billion dollars, an amount more than impressive at the prices of that time. By the beginning of the 1930's. in Germany, more than sixty factories and enterprises were already operating, which were branches of overseas firms. In the spring of 1938, the Morgan financial and industrial group signed a mutually beneficial agreement with the European Steel Trust, which was based on German corporations for the issuance of bonuses and bonuses to countries that do not use the steel export quota. In addition to the United States, Germany benefited, whose steel industry was absorbed by military orders.

17 June 1940, when the outcome of the German offensive in the west was no longer in any particular doubt, Roosevelt tried to stop a possible outflow of large financial resources from the United States, ordering the French assets to be frozen in American banks. But it was not several hours after the decree was signed, as someone from the leadership of the Rockefeller Chase Neshenel Bank ordered to transfer a million dollars from the accounts of the Latin American branch of the Franco-Italian bank to special accounts in Argentina and Uruguay, countries known at that time for their pro-German orientation. War is war, but partners cannot be let down.

There are many examples of cooperation between American banks and the German Reichsbank. Not lagged behind the bankers and industrialists. The oil giant Standard Oil worked closely with the chemical giant IG Farbenindustri. There were many such examples. Since the captains of big business were guided by the simple, pragmatic and out of the category of good or evil, the principle of “nothing personal - only business”, these corporate partnerships persisted after December 11 of 1941. Standard Oil successfully traded oil from the Reich through neutral Spain and Switzerland. The largest banks (for example, Chase Bank, which belonged to the Rockefeller family) made major deals in occupied Paris with the full consent of their management. In the territory occupied by the Wehrmacht of France, the factories belonging to one of the largest automakers Ford worked quietly, and there is no doubt for whose needs the cars they produced were used.

Mr. Soostenes, head of the International American Telephone Corporation ITT, Ben went even further. He traveled through Spain to Bern, where he had close business contacts with business partners. Partners were a little concerned and needed advice on improving the guidance systems of the latest guided bombs. Through Latin America, American ball bearings were shipped to Germany, and they knew about the final route of production even in government circles. One cannot go against corporate ethics and tradition. The financial and industrial elite of the United States represented, and indeed appears to be, even now, a certain private club of the elect, within which there are excellent, unique to him, laws and rules. And these rules stood above federal legislation, the Constitution with all amendments, the Declaration of Independence and such inappropriate concepts as conscience. The amount of US investment in Germany on the eve of December 11 came close to half a billion dollars, and the gentlemen did not want to refuse from such funds.

In Germany itself, attempts were made to suppress the activities of some "enemy" corporations. But since none other than Walter Schellenberg, being first deputy and then head of the VI directorate of the RSHA, that is, foreign intelligence, part-time member of the ITT board of directors, all these attempts to prevent business relations were put on the brakes. Franklin Roosevelt was also initiated into the delicate connections of his country's business circles with the enemy. Many of the most active supporters of business partnerships (for example, James Mooney from General Motors and William Davis from Davis Oil Company) were even monitored because of the annoying state of war. But everything was limited to observation - they do not take out the rubbish from the corporate hut, but hide it deeply. Roosevelt also belonged to this circle and knew the rules of the game.

Who is war, and who is ...

The military confrontation of the western countries and Germany was considered by many in both camps as an annoying coincidence, misunderstanding, tragic mistake. A general view of what is happening, the mentality, the worldview - all this gave a shaky, but the ground for a possible consensus. The first over the problem of concluding an agreement began to think, obviously, in Germany. Beginning in a vigorous and confident manner, the Eastern Company in the fall of 1941 began to give its first failures. The war on two fronts stood in front of the Reich in full growth. He actually waged an unlimited war, having very limited resources compared to his opponents. In Germany, there was some opposition to Hitler, the opposition, of course, silent and cautious. Many of the military, diplomats, high-ranking officials were not thrilled by the dangerous and shaky path taken by the homeland of Bach and Goethe marching in brown shirts and black uniforms. The idea “not to quarrel with the West” prevailed mainly because in the Soviet Union they saw not a partner, but rather a threat. The outbreak of war accelerated the thinking processes of alternatively reasoning German top - the most sober-minded and pragmatic already felt the cold of the abyss, to which their country was steadily moving.

About the first probes of the ground for possible negotiations, the Schellenberg office found out in the autumn of 1941, when the prominent diplomat Ulrich von Hassel, who fell into disgrace, had confidential conversations with the representative of American banking circles Stanford. The latter conveyed the words of Roosevelt about the arrest and transfer of Hitler to the allies, as a necessary condition for resolving the conflict. After the US entered the war, diplomatic contacts became unofficial and disguised, however, those who were supposed to know about the state of affairs in both countries. Pragmatic Schellenberg, who had extensive connections in business circles, was by no means obsessed with the obsession of war to the last opportunity. The soil was probed through several channels, primarily through the elderly Prince Ernst Hohenlohe, who came out through his old connections through Lisbon to US representatives. He believed that it was necessary to negotiate, like all "civilized people", and Franz von Papen, who was also somewhat offended by the Nazi regime. The former vice-chancellor of the Weimar Republic, who served as the German ambassador in Istanbul, was in regular relations with the American resident in the capital of Turkey, George Earl. In the autumn of 1942, von Papen made it clear that there are people in Germany who are capable of dialogue with the West. However, it was possible to learn about these manipulations by the ubiquitous Intelligence Service, and under some pressure from the allies the contacts were curtailed.

Meanwhile, the peak of the military successes of the Axis countries was passed, and there was no chance of a victorious end to the war. The main condition for establishing peace, formulated at the Tehran Conference of the Heads of the Allied Powers, was only unconditional surrender. But I did not want to capitulate, especially before the Russians. This discomfort was felt also overseas, where gentlemen, full of internal dignity, who smoke expensive cigars, considered the alliance with the Communists only the lesser of evils. The successes of the Red Army did not please them, but caused a feeling very similar to concern. Some have already appealed to the logic and pragmatism of doing business. For example, General Marshall sent a memorandum to Roosevelt, in which he convincingly insisted on reducing military supplies to the Soviet Union. This, according to the author of the economic plan of the same name, should have seriously reduced the pace of advancement of the Red Army. The number of supporters of a tougher and more unfriendly foreign policy towards the USSR increasingly increased in the leadership of the United States. In the fall of 1944, under pressure from the opposition, Roosevelt changed Henry Wallace, loyal to the Soviet Union, to Harry Truman as vice president.

At the beginning of 1943 in Bern, Switzerland, the prosperous employee of the Sullivan and Cromwell law firm, a talented intelligence officer and just a business man with a pipe in his mouth, Mr. Allen Dulles, settled down in the past. At the side of Germany, he organized and headed the European Center for the Office of Strategic Services of the United States. Of course, they soon found out about this from the other side of the border. And to Dulles stretched out the couriers, emissaries and parliamentarians. One of his closest employees and assistants in German affairs was German political émigré Gero von Schulze-Gevernitz, who left Germany shortly after Hitler came to power. His family had extensive connections in the high circles of the Reich, who now turned out to be more suitable than ever. Gevernitz knew Dulles since 1916, when the American was in Europe for diplomatic work. The resident had meetings with high-ranking Germans. Naturally, they did not take the form of negotiations, but only as conversations and exchange of opinions. Prince Douglas Hohenlohe, the disgrace after the failure of the offensive near Moscow, Field Marshal Brauchitsch and other distinguished gentlemen, came to visit Dulles. The parties talked quite constructively, finding understanding on many issues. The United States did not want, as they called it, "the Soviet occupation of Germany," nor did they preserve British positions in Eastern and Southeastern Europe.

Puffing a pipe, Dulles transparently hinted at the dislike of America’s highest political and business circles for the Soviet Union that this unnatural alliance is no more than a necessary measure. And in general, everything can be different if the German gentlemen strongly want this. The German gentlemen of this "other" wanted to be very heartfelt and the stronger, the closer to the west the line of the eastern front moved. The problem was that, according to Dulles, they were not any one monolithic opposition force, but simply representatives of different groups, dissatisfied with the regime, who came to Switzerland to grumble and openly express their disagreement with what was happening. In general, the former lawyer nodded sympathetically, complained about the war and other adversity, and expected more serious proposals from the German side. In 1944, a courier arrived on Dulles on behalf of conspirators who wanted to eliminate Hitler. Again, the parties did not come to a common opinion. The Germans wanted full-fledged peace negotiations, Dulles demanded unconditional surrender, and then - negotiations, and did not give any guarantees. It was not possible to come to an agreement, later it became known that the attempt on Hitler had failed and the alternatively thinking layer in the German summits was fairly thinned out. But towards the end of the war, not the old Kaiser grumblers or the generals offended by the resignation began to seek contact with Dulles, but the top of the Reich itself. Back in 1943, the Schellenberg Office succeeded in introducing its agent into the center of the Swiss web under the pseudonym Gabriel, who informed the BD about Dulles contacts and their content. The Germans were well informed about the growing contradictions between the USSR and the United States and Great Britain and saw their chance in playing on these contradictions.

The failure of the offensive in the Ardennes and the irrepressible onslaught of the Red Army urged the German leadership. In February, 1945 came to Dulles by emissaries from the General Directorate of Imperial Security with proposals for separate negotiations. 10 February at a meeting with the Americans even made a promise to convey all the valuable information that is available in Germany regarding Japan, in exchange for a truce on the Western Front. Judging by the growing activity of the German side, Dulles made the correct conclusion that at the top of the Reich there are rapidly growing contradictions regarding the further conduct of the war and, as real business people say, “the client has matured”. It should be noted that Switzerland itself has fully contributed to all kinds of confidential meetings on its territory. It was important for her business community to end the war as soon as possible. The intelligence officer of the Swiss General Staff Captain Max Weibel was in direct contact with Dulles. He had the authority to assist the right people in crossing the state border in both directions.

25 February 1945 Mr. Pope’s chamberlain Luigi Parilli went out through his Swiss channels to Gevernitsa and reported that a number of high-ranking SS officers in Italy want to come to an agreement, under the specious excuse to avoid destruction and casualties. Parilli was referring to the chief authorized SS in the group of armies "C" in Italy Obergruppenführer Karl Wolf. Wolf was not the last person in the top of the Reich and enjoyed the location of Hitler himself. Back in early February, Wolf visited Hitler at the reception, where, without much disguise, he expressed aloud the idea of ​​the need to negotiate with the West in order to jointly oppose Bolshevism. The Fuhrer responded very vaguely and vaguely, but there was no definitive "no" from him. In fact, this could be regarded as a tacit permission to negotiate.

Already on March 8 in Zurich, Wolf and his accompanying high-ranking official, Eugen Dolman, met with Dulles. The Germans proposed to organize the surrender of German troops on the Italian front with the possibility of an organized retreat to South-West Germany. When leaving was promised to refrain from destruction and sabotage. Such a course of events would have allowed the Western allies to freely occupy northern Italy and Austria and move into the interior of Germany, ahead of the Red Army. This prospect caused the lively approval of English Field Marshal Alexander, the commander-in-chief of all the allied forces in the Mediterranean basin. Representatives of the Allied Command from Alexander's headquarters were sent to Switzerland: General Terence Airy, head of the intelligence department, and General Leiman Leitnitzer, deputy chief of staff. For conspiracy, they entered the country as simple sergeants serving in the Office of Strategic Service. The operation itself received the cheerful name Sunrise (Sunrise), hinting at the successful completion of the enterprise.

19 March 1945 in South Ascona, South Ossetia, has already held an extended meeting, which was attended by the allies and the military. The subject of discussion was organizational issues: the variants of coercion of the German command in Italy to capitulate were calculated. In this, Wolf relied on the parts of the SS entrusted to him, which, according to various estimates, there were at least 50 thousand people. So far, having surrounded himself with a cover of secrecy and significant precautionary measures, Dulles and his guests whispered about the prospects for cooperation, they were already closely watched by the watchful eye of Soviet intelligence. Information came not only from agents in Germany, but also from allied countries, as Dulles contacts with the German command became more extensive.

Ripped masks

Having decided to make secure, the allies of March 12, through their ambassadors in Moscow, Harriman (USA) and Kerr (Great Britain), brought to the notice of the Soviet leadership information about the arrival of Wolf in Switzerland with the aim of negotiating the surrender of German troops on the Italian front. People's Commissar Vyacheslav Molotov on the same day informed both ambassadors that the Soviet government considered it necessary to send representatives to these talks, and in response letters from representatives of the United States and Great Britain was refused. Dulles in his memoirs motivated him with technical difficulties: the difficulty of sending Soviet representatives to Switzerland, the inability to conceal the presence of Russians from the Germans from the Germans. In fact, the Allies initially did not want the presence of the Russians, who in their plans and calculations had already firmly taken the place of enemies. On March 16, in the repeated message of Molotov to the ambassadors of the allies, it was stated that the refusal of the Soviet Union to participate in the negotiations was regarded as a breakdown in international agreements and an attempt to separately agree with the enemy.

Giving information how to digest, Molotov, with the knowledge of Stalin, deals another powerful diplomatic blow. 22 March 1945, in letters to Harriman and Kerr Molotov directly and without florism, demanded an immediate end to the negotiations with the enemy, pointing to the loss of confidence in the allies. To top it off, there was a lively correspondence between Joseph Stalin and Roosevelt, where the head of the Soviet state described in great detail and thoroughly all the examples and facts of violation of agreements between the two countries and delaying military issues important for the USSR. Roosevelt tried to justify himself. They say that we are talking only about the military capitulation of one single front — utter nonsense. But Comrade Stalin in his statement of concern was cold and hard. Roosevelt understood well what the price and consequences of such a concern might be, especially on the eve of planning landing operations on the Japanese islands at the beginning of 1946.

Due to the outbreak of scandal, negotiations were terminated and curtailed. Wolf returned to Berlin. On April 9, the Allied forces launched an offensive on the Italian front; on April XN, Soviet troops launched the Berlin offensive. Thus, the Germans did not succeed in solving the matter by the separate world. The United States at this stage did not want to fully carry out the break with the Soviet Union - the war in the Pacific was in full swing, and the USSR made a promise to join it after the defeat of Germany. However, the level of hostility increased. Already after the signing of Germany’s capitulation, Winston Churchill offered to arm German prisoners of war in order to strengthen the Allied forces in case the situation with the Soviet Union deteriorated. Business people did not want the complete destruction of Germany - it was already taken into account by them in a promising confrontation with the USSR, which had borne the brunt of the struggle. The captains of big business were pleased. The second jackpot was taken by the United States at minimal cost. By actually renting out their mass-produced military products and receiving gold in return, finally removing England from the list of competitors, weakening the USSR, Uncle Sam, rubbing his hands rather well, considered himself entitled to indicate and dictate his will to the whole world. The Kremlin held a different opinion, and business people had a weighty reason to increase their wealth, complaining about a new enemy. History the world smoothly moved to a new chapter called the Cold War. Business people remained in their own interests - they had to carefully prepare the conditions to hit the third jackpot - in 1991 year.
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  1. Uncle Murzik
    Uncle Murzik 12 May 2016 06: 28
    +14
    "nothing personal, only business" "Provide capital with 10% of the profit, and the capital agrees to any use, at 20% it becomes lively, at 50% it is positively ready to break its head, at 100% it violates all human laws, at 300% it is not such a crime, which he would not dare to commit, at least under penalty of the gallows "
    Marx on capital
    1. Papandopulo
      Papandopulo 12 May 2016 07: 10
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      Quote: Author Denis Brig
      Thus, the Germans failed to resolve the matter by a separate world.

      Thus, everything was as it was decided at those negotiations - the Germans from March 23 began to provide the Americans with their advance in the western and Italian directions purely symbolic resistance.
      What does Mrax and capital have to do with it?
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 12 May 2016 07: 22
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        In Germany itself, attempts were made to suppress the activities of certain "enemy" corporations. But since none other than Walter Schellenberg, being first deputy and then head of the Sixth Directorate of the RSHA, that is, foreign intelligence, was part of the ITT's board of directors, all these attempts to thwart business relations were slowed down. Franklin Roosevelt was also devoted to the delicate relations of his country's business circles with the enemy. Many of the most pro-active business partnership advocates (such as James Mooney of General Motors and William Davis of Davis Oil Company) have even been monitored due to the unfortunate state of the war. But everything was limited to observation - dirty linen is not taken out of the corporate hut, but deeply hidden. Roosevelt also belonged to this circle and knew the rules of the game.
        1. Papandopulo
          Papandopulo 12 May 2016 07: 32
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          American and British manpower losses account for 3% of Soviet losses - something like that ...
          1. Uncle Murzik
            Uncle Murzik 12 May 2016 07: 37
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            so they fought at 3%! and the loss of the issue is quite controversial!
            1. Papandopulo
              Papandopulo 12 May 2016 07: 49
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              Nothing controversial ...

              At minus 300% + - without the American Rockefellers supplying strategic materials to the Nazis, their Eastern Front would have crumbled back in 1942.
              1. Uncle Murzik
                Uncle Murzik 12 May 2016 08: 16
                +2
                “... If we see that Germany wins the war, we should help Russia, and if Russia wins, we should help Germany, and let them kill as much as possible,” US President Harry Truman, 1941 Senator.
                1. Papandopulo
                  Papandopulo 12 May 2016 08: 25
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                  ... not just a senator - in 1940 he headed the Congress’s Cheka to study the federal government’s weapons program, the head of the Masonic lodge.
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      2. Per se.
        Per se. 12 May 2016 07: 48
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        Quote: Papandopulo
        What does Mrax and capital have to do with it?
        It must be understood that the matter was not without selfish interests, but, speaking on the topic raised, it is unlikely that only money-profit was the main thing. Hitler would not have come to power, and even more so, he would not have pumped up Germany with military power, bypassing the restrictions of Versailles, had it not been for the need for the West to create anti-Russia, in the person of Germany, against the USSR with a new social system not controlled by the Anglo-Saxons. It's not just about money, but about world domination. After the First World leader in capitalism was determined, and if the communists did not come to power, instead of the puppet, pro-Western Provisional Government, Russia could have been put an end to, the Gaidars, Yeltsins and Chubais would have appeared not in 1991, but in 1917, and would have finished off a semi-literate country, drained of blood by the war, would have fallen under London and Washington, there would not have been a socialist superpower. Nevertheless, Nazism would still be sponsored by the Anglo-Saxons, a big war was needed, both for new super profits and for the subjugation of Europe, the elimination of the last major empire in the east, Japan. Now, when we have picked up capitalism, with the world financial system imprisoned for London and Washington, we are saved by the Soviet margin of safety, but if it dries up, and the current Russian oligarchs do not convince their overseas "brothers" to share, creating a kind of parallel capitalism and " a multipolar world "in a foreign pole of power, it is unlikely that a bright future awaits Russia without the return of socialism, without a way out of a foreign system, with an already established world master in it and with its rules of the game.
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander 12 May 2016 09: 30
          -2
          Quote: Per se.
          and do not come to power, the Communists, instead of the puppet, pro-Western Provisional Government, in Russia could was to put an end, the Gaidars, Yeltsins and Chubais appeared would not in 1991, but in 1917, and, finished off would semi-literate, bloodless war country,

          Firstly, EVERYTHING and Russia were bloodless - no more than others.
          Second, what are these "W's" worth? Yes, nothing, no one knows what would have happened.
          But there are simply FACTS:
          - NOBODY from the victorious countries fell apart, but on the contrary, grew into territories, strengthened, and even received reparations for restoration, and, most importantly, ended the war, people ceased to die.
          -Civil massacre that arose as a result of the Bolshevik October coup under the slogan "Peace for the peoples", on the contrary, in this "struggle for peace" took away Russian lives much more than WWI.
          “The conquered countries, where the Bolsheviks wrote Russia to save the seized power, yes, they really fell apart or became impoverished terribly.”
          -Russia PMV won, its Bolsheviks lost.
          - Spit on the interests of the country, but saving the power seized by force by any means, they signed the Brest shame and deprived Russia of Victory, betraying the memory of hundreds of thousands of soldiers who died for their homeland and depriving Russia rights to her participation in the security system of Europe and the world. Because of this, Russia could not prevent the arming of Germany, without having the right to control Germany (like England and France) under the Versailles agreements. France, panicky fearing Germany, however, was alone and therefore could not insist on the implementation of Versailles. Which eventually led to the armament of Germany and WWII.
          - Brest shame is one of the main causes of WWII.
          And these are facts, not "BY".
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 12 May 2016 10: 41
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            Quote: Aleksander
            Russia won the WWI, lost it, the Bolsheviks.
            It was not the Bolsheviks who excommunicated the Tsar from the throne, it was not the Bolsheviks who carried out the February Revolution. Somehow you don't want to see that after the First World War four largest empires were destroyed, these are the Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian, German and Russian. What kind of victorious countries are there, but first of all the British and Yankees profited from the war, and in Europe there was one strongest empire, only the British. Russia neither with the tsar, nor with the communists, nor with the current democrats, the Anlo-Saxons do not need a strong one. At one time, an alliance with Napoleon and plans for a joint campaign in British India cost Paul I his life, and young Alexander I entered into an alliance with Britain, which substituted Austria, Prussia and Russia to eliminate the French rival, which challenged the rule of Britain. When the young German capitalism challenged Britain, Russia was again set up, dragged into the Entente, and those "allies" who had actively armed and set Japan against it. Why did Russia have to fight the Germans, almost all of our emperors were more than half Germans, half-breeds, empresses of Germans, what were the general contradictions in political terms? The Bolsheviks are to blame ..., yes, they saved Russia, returned and multiplied what was lost during the Brest Peace Treaty. And it was not "Brest shame" that caused the Second World War, I will not repeat what I said earlier.
            1. Aleksander
              Aleksander 12 May 2016 11: 48
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              That is, you cannot object to the obvious facts, you cannot, except as "Alexander, Paul, Napoleon" - what does this have to do with it?
              Quote: Per se.
              Yes, they saved Russia, returned and increased what was lost during the Brest Peace

              Yes Yes....Compiegne truce, 1918 between ANTANTA and Germany, TEXT:
              Art. 12. German troops located on the territory Russia, SHOULD RETURN to Germany. Which was done.
              And what does the Bolsheviks have to do with it? ENTENTE expelled the invaders from Russia, which the Bolsheviks launched there (and could have left!). But because of Brest’s betrayal, she didn’t call the Bolsheviks to Versailles, and the Antatnts wouldn’t understand this gesture-the Bolshevik traitors supplied Germany, the aggressor, which had almost died (778 thousand dead from HUNGER!), With food and gold, prolonging its agony and war and torment of peoples (just as having supplied Turkey and gold to the eternal enemy, it helped her to arrange genocide and expulsion of the Greeks from Asia Minor). Thus, the unrecognized rogue Bolsheviks turned out to be OUTSIDE SYSTEMS the establishment of peace in Versailles and further with the formation of the League of Nations. And Russia was OUTSIDE it only because of Brest shame.
              А without Russia, the world in Europe does not happen!
              PS It is clear that the Entente is not white and fluffy, and took into account primarily its interests (like all countries). Then they got used to it, admitted and accepted into the League, but the train had already left, the WWII had arrived.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 12 May 2016 19: 09
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                Quote: Aleksander
                . But because of Brest betrayal, she did not call the Bolsheviks to Versailles
                It was the Entente that betrayed and raped Russia, which by 1917 had a huge debt to the smart-ass allies and colossal losses in the war. "Alexander, Paul, Napoleon" - what does this have to do with it? ", Moreover, dear Alexander, that the multipolar world in capitalism existed before transnational corporations were formed, until the leader was determined, while there were real strong applicants to press the Anglo-Saxons, and this was Napoleonic France and Kaiser's Germany After the First World War the world was supposed to become completely unipolar, with Anglo-Saxon masters, if the USSR and socialism did not appear Second, despite the fact that in Russia they did not care about the threat from the British lobby, their agents of influence, no more, That “an Englishwoman crap.” With the advent of Britain's overseas miscarriage, the United States also began to shit. It was thanks to the agents of influence that Russia sold the same Alaska, got into alliances and obligations doubtful for us, in the interest of someone else's uncle, this also applies to Russia's involvement in the Entente. Look what is happening now, how the United States and Britain "love" us, the whole world is already under the Anglo-Saxons, including the fallen puppet Europe and Japan. what would not have happened in its development, without help in industrialization and the atomic program from the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union gave civilization a multiparty world, and the communists saved Russia, which the West always wanted only to see in its grave.
                1. Aleksander
                  Aleksander 12 May 2016 21: 53
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                  Quote: Per se.
                  The Soviet Union gave civilization a multi-pronged world, and the Communists saved Russia, which the West always wanted to see only in the grave

                  Dear Sergey! Your point is as familiar and understandable as it is vague: "Anglo-Saxons", "agents", "got in", "the communists saved". It's amazing how you resisted the usual epithets: "Russia was incited", "Russia was incited", etc. - as if we were talking about an unreasonable mongrel, and not about a state defending its interests.
                  And yet again they did not refute NONE of mine specific statements and facts, alas.
                  As for multipolarity: Russia by the very fact of its existence has ALWAYS ensured the multipolarity of the world, ALWAYS. A.A. Beardless: "Not a single gun in Europe dared to fire without the permission of Russia." So it happened and has remained since the golden age of Catherine.
                  1. Per se.
                    Per se. 13 May 2016 07: 27
                    +1
                    Quote: Aleksander
                    "Not a single gun in Europe dared to fire without the permission of Russia."
                    This, of course, flattering, but they thought of themselves in the same way in England, the same Turkish cannons fired against the Russians, not without incitement and help from Britain. Yes, since the era of Peter the Great, Russia forced to reckon with itself, played one of the key roles in Europe, so it was not about this, but about the use of Russia in the interests of the same Britain. Without the continental armies of Prussia, Austria and, most importantly, Russia, Britain would not have been able to defeat Napoleon, who had no intention of attacking Russia, wanting to see in her, if not an ally, as happened with Paul I, then at least a neutral who would have stopped supplying England strategic raw material, primarily for the British fleet. The fact of the matter is that Britain in all directions, as they say, wentat Russia, and she found help at the right time. England and Holland are the birthplaces of capitalism, but it was Britain that became the leader, and the First World War was supposed to consolidate this leadership, eliminating all potential challengers. Tsarist Russia had no future, except as a raw material colony, a political protectorate of the West, which, in fact, went with the abdication of Nicholas II, with the February Revolution. In any case, without communists and socialism, Russia could not become a space and nuclear superpower. You stubbornly do not want to understand this, remembering the long-gone "golden age" of Catherine. Personally, I was always touched by the fact that having a history of serfdom in Russia, our monarch could support the North American separatists, or, later, the "northerners", and not the "southerners". Beat the slave owners in the States, Abama would not say now that the United States is the chosen nation. Geopolitics and protection from someone else's lobby, unfortunately, were not a strong place in Russia in life. Let's stay where we are, you are for the "white", I am for the "red", in any case, thanks for your attention.
                    1. Aleksander
                      Aleksander 13 May 2016 11: 46
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                      Quote: Per se.
                      In any case, without communists and socialism, Russia could not become a space and nuclear superpower. You stubbornly do not want to understand this, remembering the long-gone "golden age" of Catherine


                      Tsiolkovsky is from the Russian Empire. As well as Mendeleev, Tamm, Kapitsa, Vavilov, Tupolev, Polikarpov, Antonov, Zhukovsky, Vavilov, Zelinsky, Chaplygin, Vernadsky, Landau, Mechnikov, Sechenov, Sikorsky, Zvorykin, Lobachevsky, Pavlov, Timiryazev, Pirogov, inventor of Popov radio, Ya Chizhevsky, Chizhevsky, Y. Chizhevsky, Dolivo-Dobrovolsky, Lodygin, Yablochkov, Kabalevsky, S. Kovalevskaya and many others. And Russia had the 4-5 world economy. So both Gagarin and Kurchatov are a logical development of the country. Only there would never be Soviet 14 million starvation, cannibal islands NAZINO, millions of exiles and deprived of their rights WITHOUT a court, and the Russian people would not die out as they died out by the end of the comm. board. And for what and for whom was everything done with wild victims, if the people died out?
                      It is a pity that you persistently do not want to notice that comm. in just 70 years, power quietly disappeared - and this was with its wild censorship, the destruction of internal enemies and any dissent.
                      Thank you "+" for a calm and respectful discussion.
    2. baku1999
      baku1999 12 May 2016 21: 40
      +1
      well, let us suppose that Marx is not an authority for us, just like Engels, they are old Russophobes, but the kernel of truth lies precisely in the fact that capital itself is nothing more than a machine that works to ensure that from all that there is, to profit for themselves, including, I'm sorry for the expression, and from our own shit .................... and this is not our method, we are not so tailored and we don’t lie under them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    3. Rico1977
      Rico1977 13 May 2016 01: 26
      +2
      Let's be honest: the whole geyropa specifically fell under the Fritz. Apparently there was a global agreement. The entire top leadership of all European countries betrayed both their peoples and their armies and quickly surrendered to the Germans before the battles. To Hitler got the entire industrial potential of Europe is not destroyed by battle. A game of giveaways, and without leadership, the most daring resistance is doomed to failure. And everything was done because Hitler was specifically set against the USSR. So if you ask me who unleashed the Second World War, I will not answer Hitler, but the USA that sponsored him since 1928, armed, supplied money, technology and strategic materials through Sweden, Switzerland and the Vatican until the very end of the war ... Even Coca-Cola in Dresden let out. But Hitler is a chain dog, the USA is the owners who set him on us ... The Poles asked too much, for which Hitler smeared them .. germs with a fucking conceit .... Hitler had his own plans for Ukraine ... and indeed all Slavs were subject to destruction ... including the Poles.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 12 May 2016 07: 44
    +3
    The Third Reich stubbornly delayed the denouement,.. More precisely, the Third Reich was delayed by the denouement .. our so-called "allies" ... When we realized that it was not worth delaying too much, because it would end badly for everyone .. we landed in Europe ... Thank you, Denis ..
    1. Lankaster
      Lankaster 12 May 2016 09: 56
      -1
      Quote: parusnik
      The Third Reich stubbornly delayed the denouement,.. More precisely, the Third Reich was delayed by the denouement .. our so-called "allies" ... When they realized that it was not worth delaying too much, because it would end badly for everyone .. landed in Europe ... \

      Before landing in Normandy, the Allies fought for 2 years with the Germans and Italians in Africa and Italy, as well as with the Japanese in the Pacific.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 12 May 2016 16: 40
        +1
        Having landed in Normandy, they finally blocked the transit through Spain, France to Germany of strategic raw materials that were supplied from "neutrals" .. Please note that most of the countries of Latin and Central America declared war on Germany precisely after the operation in Normandy ... and not after landing on Sicily ... or the Battle of Stalingrad or the Kursk Bulge .. And how did the military operations of the Allies in Africa and Italy affect the actions of the Germans against the USSR ..? The Germans, that the troops from the Eastern Front were removed and sent against the Allies? .. Military operations against Japan .. The Allies begged Stalin to open military operations rather than Japan, because they could not cope .. And do not forget .. The Kwantung Army was on the borders of the USSR and so not was used until the USSR entered the war with Japan ... and these are selected units ..
  3. Basil50
    Basil50 12 May 2016 08: 30
    +1
    Just like today, the names of politicians and the names of countries are changing, but * ideology * grabbing for oneself does not change. The betrayal of their own henchmen, the looting of those who trust, nothing changes. Only now people will die, and all because of future profits.
  4. Aleksander
    Aleksander 12 May 2016 08: 33
    +2
    Already after the signing of the surrender of Germany, Winston Churchill proposed, in case of complication of the situation with the Soviet Union, to arm German prisoners of war to strengthen the allied forces

    You may recall that the official Nazi government of Doenitz in Flensburg legally worked already ... until 23 May and only then was arrested.
    For US cooperation with the Nazis, Ford officially sold thousands of trucks to the Vichy regime in North Africa, which went directly to the Nazis Rommel, who drove the British to these Fords .... fool
  5. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 12 May 2016 08: 34
    +1
    To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear? While some are bleeding, others consider profit, the Americans are big masters.
    1. Papandopulo
      Papandopulo 12 May 2016 08: 39
      -1
      others consider whether enough have already bled
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  6. netslave
    netslave 12 May 2016 09: 06
    +2
    Thank you, Denis!
    You have a great language, and reading you is a pleasure.
  7. guzik007
    guzik007 12 May 2016 09: 06
    0
    according to some reports, Germans purchased up to 90% of rubber through shell companies from coconuts up to 44 years. This is not in the article.
  8. uskrabut
    uskrabut 12 May 2016 09: 47
    +3
    Business he and Africa business. Ready to cash in on everything, does not disdain the victims of his fellow citizens. You don’t have to go far for an example - the 1st Chechen.
    The author is definitely a plus for the article. Great style, great flow of material.
  9. Sars
    Sars 12 May 2016 09: 58
    +3
    Both world wars were healed by the so-called. "world business elites".
    In Germany, with the money of the same "elites", Hitler came to power (a relative of the Rothschilds by his mother).
    Hitler beat off the money invested in him perfectly: firstly, everyone earned, secondly, a new religion called the Holocaust appeared, someone says that between the cases there was a purge of one nation from individuals that did not meet the strict requirements, a new state was created in Israel, Germany will now pay him forever quitrent.
    And the fact that they destroyed Germany is great, they again earned on the restoration.
  10. MiRvSeMvDoM
    MiRvSeMvDoM 12 May 2016 12: 02
    +3
    Who knows about the Big American Show, he will immediately understand what's what. The entire history of the 21st century was written according to this scenario. Give the Big Russian Show !!!
  11. Lord blacwood
    Lord blacwood 4 November 2016 21: 48
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    Business is business. What I like about the USA for is that they always put their interests above all else.