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Washington Post: the United States believes that the Red Army has only provided assistance to the Americans in the fight against fascism

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Many Americans see the victory over fascism in World War II as the triumph of their army, giving the Soviet Union only a place to be an assistant in this war, writes the Washington Post.




"For most Americans, the anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany passes unnoticed, but in Russia it is one of the biggest holidays," the newspaper quoted the article. Look.

“Ask any Russian about the experiences and experiences of his family during the Second World War, almost invariably the answer will be the following: suffering and service to the country on the battlefield,” the author writes.

He notes that “unlike the United States, which after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor were mostly protected from attacks by the waters of the Pacific and Atlantic oceans, Russia was under siege during World War II, it was bombed, its territory was invasion". But then "the Red Army reached Berlin and played a key role in the overthrow of Adolf Hitler."

“The losses of the Soviet Union were enormous. According to most historians, the USSR then lost 27 – 28 million. And the oldest generation of Russians still keeps painful memories of the famine of military times, ”the article says.

Meanwhile, in the United States, “The Second World War is remembered as a victory for the Americans, while it is believed that the Red Army acted more or less as an assistant,” writes the American newspaper.

“Russians’s memories are concentrated on their own victims,” the author continues. “According to the inhabitants of Russia, the true meaning of this holiday lies not in military parades, but in a more personal character.”

“There are very few families in Russia that she (the war) has not touched,” he cites the words of a Russian interlocutor.

And since veterans are leaving this world, "their children and grandchildren began to hold marches on the occasion of Victory Day, in which they carry photos of their relatives - participants of the Great Patriotic War."

The newspaper explains that “this initiative, which is being carried out separately from military parades, appeared in 2012 as a non-politicized movement, but has since been picked up by the Kremlin.”

As for the “Soviet-style” military parades, they were revived by Vladimir Putin in 2008, “having seen the way“ to gather citizens around the (national) flag ”in 9.

“Once the veterans gathered on this holiday to drink and remember the fallen comrades. Now the main focus is on military parades, ”writes the Washington Post.
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  1. Dimitrakis
    Dimitrakis 8 May 2016 10: 20
    +52
    If the war was on their territory, they would have thought differently. We opened the second front when we began to advance. As were hydrated, they remained so.
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 8 May 2016 10: 22
      +31
      Good propaganda from Americans. The zombie population assimilates it well. The goal has long been known - to rewrite history.
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 8 May 2016 10: 35
        +25
        It's not even about propaganda.
        My friend, who is there to propagandize, there is a hollow degradation of education. Let me tell you a secret, many Americans did not go beyond their farms, towns (we call such settlements as villages). Just take an interest and it turns out that many do not know who is the boss in the White House. Where is this Germany and where is Russia, a good half will find it difficult to answer. Vital interests are to eat and sleep.
        It is sinful to take offense at them, they are "exceptional" - they know this for sure wassat
        And why exactly "exceptional", what explains it deeply violet. They just told them so fool
        1. st1342
          st1342 8 May 2016 10: 54
          +6
          Vital interests - eat and sleep.

          The main thing is that in our country this does not become the only life priority, because making such people out of us is the dream of our "partners".
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 9 May 2016 17: 56
            +1
            Quote: st1342
            The main thing is that in our country this does not become the only life priority, because making such people out of us is the dream of our "partners".

            And I would not argue that their attempts are so hopeless.
        2. Alf
          Alf 8 May 2016 16: 08
          0
          Quote: Andrey K
          Vital interests - eat and sleep.

          Still multiply.
        3. Altona
          Altona 8 May 2016 17: 31
          +2
          Quote: Andrey K
          It is sinful to take offense at them, they are "exceptional" - they know this for sure

          -----------------------
          Ordinary Americans are preoccupied with their own problems. The propaganda tells them about "the evil Russians who want to revive the commie empire." An ordinary person is unlikely to fully understand this. He knows the commies have powerful rockets that will hit his mortgage house. Condemn him for this? Meaning? He is so brainwashed that Congress will slobber money for new weapons to the military-industrial complex. The average man himself simply has no desire to understand all this.
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 9 May 2016 14: 55
            +1
            Altona

            They said everything correctly. And they hate commies and don't even know why. Who are the communists have no idea, but they know that it is very bad.

            Well, the fact that they do not go further than their home. So there is no money. Work at the base only covers household expenses.
            True, in culture, many have "Samaritanism", which makes them pleasant people. And of course most are devout.
            Upon hearing the accent, they start a conversation about freedom. When asked what they mean by the word "freedom". They cannot answer.
            Although by the way, and everyone really can’t find an answer for himself.

            Happy Victory Day.
      2. CORNET
        CORNET 8 May 2016 10: 38
        +14
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Good propaganda from Americans. The zombie population assimilates it well. The goal has long been known - to rewrite history.

        Yes, do not care about the United States and their propaganda ... The main thing is that we do not forget! And if necessary, we will remind you how to break ridges with all sorts of exceptional idiots ... Tomorrow we will show once again what it means to us on May 9!
        1. 222222
          222222 8 May 2016 10: 56
          +20
          "" "Germans about our grandfathers ...
          (From the book of Robert Kershaw "1941 through the eyes of the Germans"):

          “During the attack, we stumbled upon a light Russian T-26 tank, we immediately clicked it directly from the 37-graph paper. When we began to approach, a Russian leaned out of the hatch of the tower to the waist and opened fire on us with a pistol. It soon became clear that he was without legs, they were torn off when the tank was hit. And despite this, he fired at us with a pistol! ” / Gunner of anti-tank guns /

          “We almost did not take prisoners, because the Russians always fought to the last soldier. They did not give up. They cannot be hardened with ours ... ”/ Tanker of Army Group Center / /

          After a successful breakthrough of frontier defense, the 3th battalion of the 18th infantry regiment of Army Group Center, which consisted of 800 people, was fired upon by a unit of 5 soldiers. “I did not expect anything like this,” Major Neuhof admitted to his battalion doctor, the battalion commander. “It is sheer suicide to attack the forces of the battalion with five fighters.”

          “On the Eastern Front, I met people who can be called a special race. Already the first attack turned into a battle not for life, but for death. ” / Tanker of the 12th Panzer Division Hans Becker /

          “You just won’t believe this until you see it with your own eyes. The soldiers of the Red Army, even burning alive, continued to shoot from the blazing houses. " / Officer of the 7th Panzer Division /

          “The quality level of Soviet pilots is much higher than expected ... Fierce resistance, its mass character does not correspond to our initial assumptions” / Major General Hoffmann von Waldau /

          “I have never seen anyone meaner than these Russians. Real chain dogs! You never know what to expect from them. And where do tanks and everything else come from? ” / One of the soldiers of Army Group Center /

          “The behavior of the Russians, even in the first battle, was strikingly different from the behavior of the Poles and the allies who were defeated on the Western Front. Even finding themselves in the encirclement, the Russians staunchly defended. / General Gunther Blumentritt, Chief of Staff of the 4th Army "" ""
      3. Proxima
        Proxima 8 May 2016 10: 44
        +7
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Good propaganda from Americans. The zombie population assimilates it well. The goal has long been known - to rewrite history.

        Well, maybe, zombie for mentally retarded people. There can be no question of any real propaganda. Any propaganda should be based on at least some facts, but THERE IS NO! Any more or less lover of history will be interested in statistics on the topic: how many divisions of the Wehrmacht were "shoveled" by the Red Army and how many Americans, along with the British with their colonial troops (Canadians, Australians, and others) - and HE WILL BE HORRIBLE! So, let them comb this bullshit further only to their housewives.
        1. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 8 May 2016 11: 03
          +7
          So they comb their housewives. Well, and Khokh Lam yet.
          Remember the mummy in the Crimea, when he screamed, America is with us.
          But at the same time, the bastard under the Red Banner was walking. Something I was afraid to take my yellow-blakitnoy.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 8 May 2016 11: 08
            +28
            The Americans have not yet experienced what a Russian soldier is:
            1. Kos_kalinki9
              Kos_kalinki9 8 May 2016 11: 24
              +31
              The Americans have not yet experienced what a Russian soldier is:
              Well, adversaries do not understand the soul of a Russian person ......
            2. skeptic
              skeptic 9 May 2016 17: 04
              +1
              My uncle. Vanya died with his artillery battery at the Senyavinsky Heights in 1943.
              His memory is sacred in our family.
              His great-grandchildren are strong and trained.
              Excellent command of weapons and melee.
              The clan survived and survived.
              We will never forget Ivan and we will never forgive enemies.
              Amen!
        2. gladcu2
          gladcu2 9 May 2016 15: 12
          +1
          Proxima

          Well what do you want.
          There was at least a little socialism in the USSR. People even got education and knowledge.

          And in the USA, what? Education is primitive and non-systemic. Higher education is paid and not available. The standard of living is mainly achieved by work due to the number of hours. Which also does not affect the growth of self-awareness. Capitalism, as a system of competition, forces us to develop primitive ways of survival. The social protection offered by the state is primitively minimal. You know about the availability of medicine. There are still problems. There is no coverage for the rehabilitation period. The cost of the day in the hospital is high. The operation was done and sent home today. At night, they didn’t have time to get to the hospital.
          3 days after surgery, to work. Otherwise, do not pay for housing.
          1. zennon
            zennon 9 May 2016 15: 38
            -2
            Quote: gladcu2
            There was at least a little socialism in the USSR.

            But socialism is not viable! People do not have private initiative. Society does not develop. The people work for the state at half strength, well, accordingly, they receive and live so-so. What can I say, labor productivity under socialism is three times less. With worse quality and high costs. .Compare cars gelding and constipation and tell which of them was created by "the genius of liberated labor without the exploitation of man by man", and what "slave labor in the world of cash". Just make no mistake, okay! With regard to education. Yes, this is a strong argument. But quality university education in Western universities is higher. In addition, an intelligent person will always make his way there. And we have so many people with a spark in their souls drank themselves! No one needed them with their inventions! Valentin Gapontsev all his life wore a shabby suit under socialism. And under capitalism he became a dollar billionaire! Exclusively by his talent. Development by his own, not theft!
            http://mainfin.ru/news/view/1576-valentin-gaponcev--iz-fizika-v-milliardery/alia
            s / valentin-gaponcev - iz-fizika-v-milliardery
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 9 May 2016 20: 35
              0
              zennon

              Do not say nonsense. The USSR was very viable. So that in the Great Patriotic War he won. I hope you will not drink.

              Talk about why the USSR is more powerful than other countries I will not. Here only those who do not want to know about it do not know.

              Socialism is the next stage in the development of society.
              1. zennon
                zennon 10 May 2016 01: 06
                -2
                Quote: gladcu2
                Do not say nonsense. The USSR was very viable.

                Silly slogans. You do not have a causal relationship. There is no analysis. You repeat what the devil knows when, and you can’t object to anything. I repeat once again, socialism is not effective! The whole history of our unfortunate country confirms this. Not so long ago I saw on TV a program about Chile. There, in particular, they talked about the period of Allende's reign. And one docker said, "I know, nice ideas. Like about justice. But things were getting worse and worse. Now we have half a row here, and with Allende, if a fish fell from the conveyor, no one was going to pick it up. It's not mine! "This is very precisely about socialism. By the way, of course, you did not answer anything about comparing cars. It would be curious to read what you can say about this, and about any goods too. Well, yes, we know how to fight. But only Russia has always fought. And we have always won brilliant victories without any socialism!
                Quote: gladcu2
                Socialism is the next stage in the development of society.

                At the junkyard of history, your stage ...
                1. BARKHAN
                  BARKHAN 11 May 2016 14: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: zennon
                  By the way, you, of course, did not answer anything about comparing cars.

                  I will answer. We didn’t have cars because we had to restore the burned half of the country, having lost a third of able-bodied men, and then build thousands of tanks and planes, so as not to lose the rest ...
                  I suspect that you are one of the "businessmen" for whom hired people work for a penny (like at a factory in the Kuril Islands). Anyone who works personally and even creates something with his own hands cannot be satisfied with the current wild capitalism. The slogan of this "freedom" is "Whoever can eat whoever" ...
                  And soon they will trample into the landfill of history, just the same thieves and traitors, who so firmly clung to the body of the parasites. Do not go for the first time ...
                  For a long time, the liberals have squeezed the spring of patience of the population. Although you will communicate with ordinary people for common development, and you will learn a lot of interesting things ... about prices, salaries, health care, and pension reform ...
                  Or all the poor losers for you who did not fit into the capitalist race for survival.
                  We’ll meet in the elections.
                  1. zennon
                    zennon 11 May 2016 20: 04
                    0
                    Quote: Barkhan
                    We didn’t have cars because we had to restore the burnt half of the country, having lost a third of able-bodied men, and then build thousands of tanks and planes so as not to lose the rest ...

                    Don’t be offended, but you’re like a five-year-old child! And didn’t it occur to you that this is also the case with Germany?! She was bombed, don’t mourn! All! And they lost at least the muzhiks to the population! Germany lost 12 in the war, this is not counting the cripples! They also divided it! So the western one began to produce the best cars in the world and not only the automobiles, and the eastern one, which came into socialism, burst into flames-plastic shit with the left front drive wheel! Well, try to understand this, you are an adult !!!
                    Quote: Barkhan
                    I suspect that you are one of the "businessmen" for whom hired people work for a penny (like at a factory in the Kuril Islands). Anyone who works personally and even creates something with his own hands cannot be satisfied with the current wild capitalism.

                    Everything is wrong with you. I’m an engineer. I have worked all my life with my hands and head. For the last five years I have been working for myself, I registered IP. I work alone. All these five years (I went sixth) I have never been on vacation. I am engaged in repairing household appliances. I swear to my health that this is true.
                    Quote: Barkhan
                    And soon they will trample into the landfill of history, just the same thieves and traitors who so firmly grabbed the parasites into the body of the people.

                    I hate no less than your bastards who plundered the country. I’m not a spiteful person, but I personally would have slapped the Chubais-Gaidar bastard! However, to be honest to the end, what is the price of socialism, if such insignificance and traitor Gorbachev came to power? Yeltsin was the first secretary of the regional committee party, and even on May 29, 1990, was elected Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR! Yes, all these nouveau riche former communists, fiery Leninists who swore ardent support for the cause of socialism. What is wrong? Tell the party reborn? Then the question arises, what is the price of this party ?!
                    Quote: Barkhan
                    We’ll meet in the elections.

                    No, I don’t take part in the elections. I have never voted, even with the communists. They came for me, remember, everyone should not spoil the statistics! He just left home on election days.
                    Do not entertain yourself with empty hopes. The dead man will not return from the churchyard ...
            2. Alf
              Alf 9 May 2016 21: 01
              0
              Quote: zennon
              But socialism is not viable! People do not have private initiative.

              And you do not confuse socialism until 1953 and after 1953. Absolutely different systems.
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      5. da Vinci
        da Vinci 8 May 2016 12: 15
        +2
        Well, the Americans don’t hear or see anything else - they simply don’t tell or show them. At one time, the Germans were shocked when they were shown concentration camps. If ordinary Americans knew more than they were told, I think the wars would end. smile
      6. zennon
        zennon 8 May 2016 13: 41
        +2
        Quote: oleg-gr
        The goal has long been known - to rewrite history.

        Not quite so. To rewrite something, you need to know. It is curious that education is not mentioned at all in the constitution of mattress. With regard to its level, this is what our good friend Sbignev Brzezinski thinks about it:
        Forced to admit, the American people are extremely ignorant. He has absolutely no idea about the outside world. There is no such subject in our public schools: world history. We teach children a very patriotic American history. But in reality, this is an embellished “Christmas” story, far from the complex and contradictory realities of the past. Take, for example, the relationship with the indigenous people of America - the Indians. No matter how offensive it is, it must be admitted that the first ethnic cleansing in the “name of the Law” took place on American soil! Thousands of Indians were expelled from their lands under President Jackson ...

        So what do you want from people after that? Do you think our situation is much better? You are mistaken. About five years ago there was a program "Without cleverly beautiful" with Olga Shelest. I highly recommend finding and reviewing!
      7. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 8 May 2016 14: 30
        0
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Good propaganda from Americans. The zombie population assimilates it well. The goal has long been known - to rewrite history.

        Surely the Americans will celebrate "their" victory over the militarist Japan.
        So it would be necessary that at least by this date on "RT" in the States played documentaries about our Great Patriotic War!
        1. Rezident007
          Rezident007 9 May 2016 09: 33
          0
          America is not a country, but a business.
        2. Rezident007
          Rezident007 9 May 2016 09: 33
          0
          America is not a country, but a business.
      8. Alf
        Alf 8 May 2016 16: 07
        0
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Good propaganda from Americans. The zombie population assimilates it well. The goal has long been known - to rewrite history.

        This happened to us too. Now ask the next generation about the Second World War, you’ll hear enough of this ...
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 8 May 2016 12: 52
      +2
      Washington Post: the United States believes that the Red Army has only provided assistance to the Americans in the fight against fascism

      Well what can I say? The country of the victorious Hollywood confidently turns into the main fake lol
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 8 May 2016 13: 07
      +2
      Quote: Dimitrakis
      And as veterans leave this world,

      They opened a second front in order to participate in the division of Europe, before the start of the confident offensive of the Red Army, these "assistants" skillfully warmed their hands on this conflict, selling weapons, food and other goods to both sides of the conflict. This is how the Warsaw Pact and NATO came into being.
    4. Achilles
      Achilles 8 May 2016 17: 09
      +1
      Many Americans perceive the victory over fascism in World War II, as the triumph of their army, assigning to the Soviet Union only a place to be an assistant in this war, writes the Washington Post.

      It is necessary to show the statistics to the Americans and it will immediately become clear who is the helper and who is the winner.
      The Soviet Armed Forces during the war destroyed, captured or defeated 506,5 German divisions. In addition, 100 German satellite divisions were defeated. The Allies defeated no more than 176 divisions in Western Europe, North Africa and Italy. Thus, the share of divisions defeated on the Soviet-German front is 78%.
    5. sgazeev
      sgazeev 8 May 2016 20: 54
      0
      American actions in land battles without technical support were not very effective. Moreover, there were defeats and such shameful moments that went down in military history. Experts call the operation "Cottage" to liberate Kiski, one of the Aleutian Islands from the Japanese, in August 1943 as an example of failed actions. The Japanese held this island for a whole year with small forces. Throughout this year, United States aircraft bombed both islands: Kysku and Attu. In addition, naval forces of both sides, including submarines, were permanently stationed in the area. It was a confrontation in the air and on the water. Fearing Japanese attacks on Alaska, the United States sent five cruisers, 11 destroyers, a flotilla of small warships and 169 aircraft to the Aleutian Islands area, as well as six submarines. American air attacks took place almost daily. By the end of the summer of 1942, the Japanese on Kysku Island began to experience problems with food, and it became increasingly difficult to supply the islands. It was decided to evacuate the Japanese forces on the island, before which, in May 1943, there had been bloody battles for Attu Island for three weeks. The Japanese held on so stubbornly in the mountains that the Americans were forced to call for reinforcements. Left without ammunition, the Japanese tried to resist, engaging in desperate hand-to-hand combat and using knives and bayonets. The fighting turned into a massacre, writes American researcher Theodore Roscoe.
    6. SF93
      SF93 8 May 2016 21: 27
      +1
      The mattress flatters itself. They can start a war, only not in one of them did they win. Adhere to someone else's victory, Americans are specialists. Russia, unlike them, did not start a war, but it triumphantly ended them.
    7. dkflbvbh
      dkflbvbh 9 May 2016 10: 16
      -1
      It was not necessary to save these freaks in the Ardennes ... Let the fascists wait for them? it would be easier for us at the front ...
    8. Vend
      Vend 10 May 2016 09: 41
      0
      Washington Post: the United States believes that the Red Army has only provided assistance to the Americans in the fight against fascism
      It’s our fault. Victory celebration began only with 1965 year, thanks to Brezhnev. Even Levitan was fired from his job so that he would not remind the Soviet people of the war. And how much more was done between 1945 and 1965 to forget?
  2. avvg
    avvg 8 May 2016 10: 22
    +12
    Americans are always trying to rewrite history, but the feat of the Soviet Soldier in World War II (there were millions of such heroes) is not possible to rewrite.
    1. just exp
      just exp 8 May 2016 10: 43
      +3
      perhaps . all sorts of rezuns with svinidzami already claim that they have filled up with corpses. and the states bleat that our Germans could only rape and then only the female version of the Germans (the male was not raped. The barbarians).
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 8 May 2016 10: 46
      +10
      Quote: avvg
      Americans are always trying to rewrite history, but the feat of the Soviet Soldier in World War II (there were millions of such heroes) is not possible to rewrite.

      so they even shot a documentary ... Already in twenty episodes.

      Based on materials collected during the Great Patriotic War, Roman Carmen, together with the Americans, created the film “Unknown War”, which was a real revelation for the Western audience, who knew almost nothing about the feat of the Soviet warrior and our people, who became the main creator of the victory over Nazi fascism. For his work in 1942, 1947, 1952 and in 1960, Roman Carmen received the USSR State and Lenin Prizes. He was awarded five orders and many medals. Everything that the lens of his movie camera saw was not history then, as it has become today. It was modernity, telling about which, it was not always easy to place accents, not to sin against the truth. From the first days of the Great Patriotic Carmen at the front. He led the front-line film groups of the Central Documentary Film Studio. The soldiers went into battle with machine guns in their hands, and the cameramen came with a movie camera, as Carmen himself later admitted. Production: CCCR (Sovinfilm together with TSSDF, Air Time International) actually in Soviet times showed a slightly different version of the film: the unique voice of Vasily Lanovoy entered the minds of his contemporaries when he read the voice-over text + a slightly different version of the material and comments ... but Unfortunately, this option could not be found (dusting itself in the archives of Gokhran, probably), therefore, in a copy of the one offered for viewing, you have to use (ridiculously even) a reverse translation from Aglitsky ...

      Movie 1st. "June 22, 1941."

      2nd film. "Battle for Moscow".

      the rest of the series when switching to YouTube.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 8 May 2016 10: 54
        +7
        Quote: PSih2097
        so they even shot a documentary ... Already in twenty episodes.

        It’s sad, but the fact, our modern youth also know little about the Great Patriotic War
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 8 May 2016 13: 02
          +3
          Yes! The film "The Unknown War" was created especially for the people. The film was watched and forgotten! For it was not with them! They still remember their civilian life! Serpentarium! BL-10 in their throat!
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 8 May 2016 13: 14
            +5
            And further. Time. Time. Time. Time not only heals mental wounds. If WE forget our story ...
    3. family tree
      family tree 8 May 2016 10: 52
      +7
      Quote: avvg
      Americans are always trying to rewrite history,

      And they do not rewrite, they have their own "history", written by Hollywood, for internal use in their own and occupied territories. But with the geography of the seams, but it does not matter, you can ask the navigator on the way to the taxi driver, and there, Austria or Australia, without a difference, well, or in Czech Prague, fuck it, so that the Chechens in Urkaine do not run wild wassat
    4. weksha50
      weksha50 8 May 2016 11: 17
      +2
      Quote: avvg
      Americans are always trying to rewrite history, but the feat of the Soviet Soldier in World War II (there were millions of such heroes), rewriting is not possible.


      But they are trying hard, unfortunately ... And something they have with the consciousness of modern American youth turns out ...

      PS To be ashamed to say ... we have OUR modern youth who know little about the realities of the TOY, which many years ago the past war ...
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 8 May 2016 11: 38
        +4
        Soyuznichki scapular analysis. Take the war with Napoleon.
        ... the English commanders say: "Just like Suvorov, the war should be waged everywhere, and not paralyzed by political intrigues a brave army." Gold words. But where are the British? Where are their shelves?
        A. Suvorov, from the letters 1799-1800.
      2. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 8 May 2016 12: 22
        +3
        Quote: weksha50
        ... And something they have with the consciousness of modern American youth turns out ...

        Friends, to hell with them with mattresses, let's educate your youth!
        And while we nod to them, ours, like Ivanes who do not remember kinship, are growing.
        Happy Victory Day !!!
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 8 May 2016 12: 49
          +3
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          Happy Victory Day !!!



          That's because ... There is still a frost on the body from this song, how much I can not hear it ...

          It is now, today, more relevant than ever ...
      3. zennon
        zennon 8 May 2016 13: 50
        +9
        Quote: weksha50
        To be ashamed to say ... we have OUR modern youth who knows little about the realities of the TOY, which passed the war many years ago ...

        If only about the war! This creature somehow finished school:
        1. oldzek
          oldzek 8 May 2016 14: 43
          +2
          I sympathize, no, I don’t even know whether to envy or sympathize with a football player. Or maybe he picked it up by himself?
          1. Alf
            Alf 8 May 2016 16: 12
            +6
            Quote: oldzek
            I sympathize, no, I don’t even know whether to envy or sympathize with a football player. Or maybe he picked it up by himself?

            He did not select for himself an intelligent person, but an organ, well, you yourself understand which one.
        2. Merchant
          Merchant 8 May 2016 19: 10
          +1
          And such dolls as Zhirkov’s wife are becoming more and more for what they dig and educate !!! wassat
        3. weksha50
          weksha50 8 May 2016 19: 56
          +2
          Quote: zennon
          This creature somehow finished school:


          Mdya ... What kind of children will be?

          We can only hope that it’s not my mom ... Dad even knows how to play football in the least ...
          1. Alf
            Alf 8 May 2016 20: 45
            +4
            Quote: weksha50
            Mdya ... What kind of children will be?

            We can only hope that it’s not my mom ... Dad even knows how to play football in the least ...

            The kids will go to dad. They showed a video on NTV, so there this family is at some get-together and there their children, no more than 5-7 years old, smoke a hookah. And to the journalist's question - What are they doing, dad calmly answered - They should try everything in life. And who will these "kids" grow up to?
            And we wonder, Where did we get the "golden" youth and where did they get the feeling of permissiveness?
        4. PSih2097
          PSih2097 8 May 2016 21: 46
          0
          Quote: zennon
          This creature somehow finished school:

          before (in the USSR in the 70s in the Urals) there was such a joke, BEST WIFE is an orphan (no mother-in-law) with an incomplete secondary education (tsyts fool) ...
        5. Stas157
          Stas157 9 May 2016 12: 00
          -2
          Quote: zennon
          If only about the war! This creature somehow finished school:

          But the girl is beautiful! The journalist had a clear goal to defame the wife of a famous football player. For example, I also don’t know who wrote the Oginsky Polonaise and the Griboedovsky Waltz and how much I’m not complex about! And the fact that the Sun revolves around the Earth or vice versa, but what difference does it make if such a beauty loves you! It seems that the site brought together the old per.duny and solid woman-haters, desirably reacting to any stuffing journalism from the yellow press!
  3. DenZ
    DenZ 8 May 2016 10: 26
    +17
    In this case, you need to ask the Americans why they did not liberate Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia and others. Moreover, in the tone of the claim. Well, if we just helped them, then where were their troops at that time ??? Where was their help?
    1. Renat
      Renat 8 May 2016 10: 45
      +6
      To whom is war, to whom is mother dear? She was sacred to us. And no one will rob us of our victory, the memory of our grandfathers. In this war, the Americans are known to have welded well. As for the information war, here we are losing on all fronts. Alas...
      1. zennon
        zennon 8 May 2016 14: 01
        +3
        Quote: Renat
        As for the information war, here we are losing on all fronts. Alas...

    2. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 8 May 2016 10: 49
      +9
      Quote: DenZ
      In this case, you need to ask the Americans why they did not liberate Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia and others.


      In 1975, Poles rested with my grandmother near Alushta, mother and son, he was 13 years old at that time, and so he told us in all seriousness that the Poles themselves liberated Poland, and we only helped them a little. So the history of the Second World War began to be rewritten almost immediately after our Victory. The main thing is that our descendants always remember this war and its victims.
      1. Renat
        Renat 8 May 2016 10: 55
        +14
        600 of our soldiers were killed in Przekia. And the descendants of the monuments are demolished. There are no words. And what a long way to go if Madame Albright, being not quite an Aryan nation, was saved from fascists in the Balkans by ordinary people who risked their lives for this. And with what did she thank Yugoslavia when she was secretary of state?
        1. zennon
          zennon 8 May 2016 14: 09
          +1
          Quote: Renat
          if Madame Albright, being not quite an Aryan nation, was saved from fascists in the Balkans by ordinary people who risked their lives for this. And with what did she thank Yugoslavia when she was secretary of state?

          It’s easy to answer your questions. It’s hard to look at this tv.a.r.
          Madeleine's father Joseph Corbel was a Czechoslovak diplomat in Belgrade. After the occupation of Czechoslovakia (March 1939), Joseph and his wife Anna, the Jews, converted from Judaism to Catholicism. Subsequently, Joseph Corbel and his family emigrated to the United States, where he taught at the University of Denver. After the end of World War II, they returned to Czechoslovakia, where Madeleine's father was again in the diplomatic service, holding, in particular, the post of ambassador of Czechoslovakia to Yugoslavia.
          1. Koshak
            Koshak 8 May 2016 19: 01
            +1
            Well, an apple doesn't fall far from an apple tree wassat
    3. gur4enk
      gur4enk 8 May 2016 11: 04
      0
      The Americans are certainly not right, but their stupid population is being led to this. But with such a counter-propaganda as you suggest, we are unlikely to improve the situation since they will say that they liberated Italy, France, Belgium, Holland!
      1. Pitot
        Pitot 8 May 2016 12: 08
        0
        Here, only a banal scuffle will help. They do not understand another language and it is closer to them.
  4. Atomist
    Atomist 8 May 2016 10: 28
    +17
    The trouble is that they do not understand what war is. They didn’t have trouble, villages and cities did not burn, children did not die of hunger. They do not understand nicherta, and therefore climb all over the world, where no one has called them. Sinful of course, but I think until they drink this bitter cup not to calm down. All with a great holiday! Eternal Memory to all the fallen ...
  5. Observer2014
    Observer2014 8 May 2016 10: 31
    +12
    "Washington Post: the US believes that the Red Army only helped the Americans in the fight against fascism"
    And "Saving Private Rain" and "Rage" documentaries ?! laughing laughing
    No rights There was Zhukov when Stalin offered to drown this "allied" riffraff in the Channel. The only thing that saved them then was the atomic bomb.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 8 May 2016 10: 48
      +3
      Quote: Observer2014
      And "Saving Private Rain" and "Rage" documentaries ?! laughing laughing

      forgot about this ... wassat
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 8 May 2016 11: 25
        +3
        PSih2097 hi
        You can't remember all the "Hollywood fantasy".
        If according to American "historians" the main battle of the Second World War was the battle for Akinawa. Island in the Pacific Ocean. laughing What is there to talk about and even more so argue with the Americans.
    2. activator
      activator 8 May 2016 12: 03
      -4
      Quote: Observer2014
      "Saving Private Rain" and "Rage" documentaries ?!
      No rights There was Zhukov when Stalin presented this "allied" riffraff in the Channel

      And who in Russia does not allow making such films? all the more so since there are plenty of heroic facts especially of such fury. By the way, the Americans in these films didn’t say that they won the war themselves, and that they also embellished feature films in that way. won alone, the crew of a combat vehicle like t 34 easily carries German tigers, which is not true, and I don’t remember many other similar plans now. By the way, Bondarchuk liked Stalingrad in the cinema, people forgot about popcorn at some points. I don’t understand what kind of anti-sex film went into it, I suppose that because of the love between the fascist and the Soviet woman, which should not have been according to the laws of propaganda, but she and life and such cases were in reality. Although perhaps Bondarchuk should not have focused on this.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 8 May 2016 13: 26
        +6
        activator, you tell Donbass, otherwise they don’t know ...
        1. activator
          activator 8 May 2016 14: 48
          +2
          Quote: sabakina
          activator, you tell Donbass, otherwise they don’t know ...

          Listen sabakina what does the Donbass have to do with it ?! I do not follow logic at all! And for that matter, it’s not for you to reproach me with Donbas because I have almost all of my relatives, it just so happened, it’s the LPR, the DPR and if the party hadn’t transferred my father to the Kharkiv region at the time, I could have been in Lugansk now. And what happens there I know from eyewitnesses, and not just from propaganda videos. In general, in vain you ... if you have anything to object to, I readily read the comment, but no, better be silent ...
  6. lis-ik
    lis-ik 8 May 2016 10: 32
    +6
    There was a documentary series in English "The Unknown War", it is necessary to broadcast it on "RT" in order to know and not forget who actually saved the world.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 May 2016 10: 34
    +9
    in the USA “World War II is remembered as a victory for the Americans, while it is believed that the Red Army acted more or less as an assistant”

    That’s what you won’t take away from the Americans. cling to to someone else's fame and at the same time present everything in a beautiful wrapper, turning upside down. So they have been living since the development of America. Ten years later, in the West, 100% will believe that Germany and Japan were defeated in the 2nd United States MV.
    1. just exp
      just exp 8 May 2016 10: 45
      +5
      that is why monuments to our soldiers are demolished everywhere. then to put up monuments to the amers and everywhere they will write that they won.
      this is already an old technology. it was also applied to us. We believe in those wars that were not there, those that were not remembered. Lomonosov was the only obstacle, but did not make against Kodla nemchury.
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 8 May 2016 11: 14
      0
      After a dozen years in the West, 100% will believe that Germany and Japan were defeated in the 2nd MV of the United States. ,,
      don’t even have to wait for these years. Surveys have been published in states where 43% believe that they fought with the USSR and Germany, and only 14% know that we were allies.
  8. Sergerius
    Sergerius 8 May 2016 10: 36
    +5
    The landing in Normandy showed all the military training of the Amers at that time, the scattered landing, the lack of command at the landing sites, and only the fact that they were part of the Red Cross treaty, you can fight without looking back, it became difficult to surrender, superiority is a hero, neither geto, not camps.
    1. vvv-73
      vvv-73 8 May 2016 13: 00
      0
      Quote: Sergerius
      The landing in Normandy showed all the military training of the Amers at that time, the scattered landing, the lack of command at the landing sites, and only the fact that they were part of the Red Cross treaty, you can fight without looking back, it became difficult to surrender, superiority is a hero, neither geto, not camps.


      Read what happened at the rehearsal for this landing. Teachings "Tiger".
  9. Phosgene
    Phosgene 8 May 2016 10: 42
    +4
    Considering how many enemy divisions, during the Second World War, the United States and the USSR defeated, it was the USSR that fought, while the United States stood on the sidelines.
  10. weksha50
    weksha50 8 May 2016 10: 45
    +5
    "in the USA “World War II is remembered as a victory for Americans, while it is believed that the Red Army acted more or less as an assistant "...

    Mdya ... In vain did Stalin forbid Zhukov to arrange the second Dunkirk for the Anglo-Saxons ...

    Otherwise, it would have been another victorious operation called "From the Elbe to Dunkirk" ...

    And thanks to those people who in the United States organize and conduct the "Immortal Regiment" action ... Emigrants are emigrants, but the Russian spirit and memory remain in them ...
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 8 May 2016 10: 55
      +5
      Quote: weksha50
      Mdya ... In vain did Stalin forbid Zhukov to arrange the second Dunkirk for the Anglo-Saxons ...

      everything was simpler there, it was necessary to let the Germans carry out an offensive in the Ardennes and throw the allies into the English Channel, and we, after Churchill's cries - that "the Allied troops are rolling into a thin pancake", launched an unprepared offensive ahead of schedule, ...
  11. bad
    bad 8 May 2016 10: 48
    +5
    Now the main focus is on military parades, ”writes the Washington Post.
    ..focuses are damn you- mattresses..bomb tractor and hospital fool ..! .. and if we have a war, then it is until VICTORY! soldier
  12. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 8 May 2016 10: 51
    +2
    Yes, let them crack, warm the air. WE REMEMBER History, and these Western geeks are secondary. Already shown their "great victories", starting with Korea and ending with Syria ... The team of classic losers. The characteristics of their weapons are secret to the maximum, because there is nothing to secret, to be afraid that everyone will see the king's naked ass is my conviction. America is the world's largest MMM.
    1. ametist415
      ametist415 8 May 2016 11: 08
      -11%
      America is the world's largest MMM

      Judging by the robot Bender on your ave from the American cartoon, which, by the way, is vulgar, the American MMM threw you like a sucker. And we have a lot of such "patriots". And then they will throw you, and this is very good.
  13. YohanPalych
    YohanPalych 8 May 2016 10: 54
    +16
    oleg-gr RU
    Good propaganda from Americans. The zombie population assimilates it well. The goal has long been known - to rewrite history.

  14. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 8 May 2016 10: 55
    +3
    Meanwhile, in the United States, “The Second World War is remembered as a victory for the Americans, while it is believed that the Red Army acted more or less as an assistant,” writes the American newspaper.
    The process of educating the next race of "Aryans" is underway. Thank God that we know (and our children) how everything was in reality. And history, and even more so the history of our people, we will not allow rewriting. Yes, we are such a nation. We drove Hitler to suicide.
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 May 2016 10: 56
    +2
    History is written by the winners - the Romans knew what they were talking about. But why do striped ears consider themselves winners? Because their rulers are the most cunning ... s? And could they talk to the "tagged idiot" whom the coincidence of circumstances threw to the top of power in the USSR? And for stroking his bald head he “handed over” everything that was not allowed, destroyed the country and handed Russia over to a bunch of thieves led by a pathological alcoholic? Who could not have come to power otherwise than by conspiring with a handful of the same power-hungry, but not too far-sighted hands-on ...
    So we are reaping the benefits. Breaking - not building. What we destroyed in 10 years of EBN, we collect and rebuild for 15 years, as after the war, the loaf is unified.
    So the victors in WWII turned out to be insignificant allies of the great hegemony. And if they had “pulled” the time, it would have been forbidden to remember about Russia.
  16. cap
    cap 8 May 2016 11: 04
    +2
    “Once the veterans gathered on this holiday to drink and remember the fallen comrades. Now the main focus is on military parades, ”writes the Washington Post.

    Personally, I’ll drink so that the devils take you to their place. am
    1. ametist415
      ametist415 8 May 2016 11: 32
      -10%
      That's how you drank the USSR. Many are to blame, not just tagged.
      1. Fonmeg
        Fonmeg 8 May 2016 18: 20
        +1
        Begib dich in die Hölle, dort ist dein Platz!
        1. zennon
          zennon 8 May 2016 20: 01
          +1
          Quote: Fonmeg
          Begib dich in die Hölle, dort ist dein Platz!

          You know, this is a philosophical question. Climate is better in paradise, but society is more interesting in hell! laughing
    2. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 8 May 2016 11: 45
      +2
      Personally, I’ll drink so that the devils take you to their place.

      I will be brief - drinks
  17. PValery53
    PValery53 8 May 2016 11: 04
    +4
    The Americans in the Second World War destroyed half a battalion of the Germans, and the Soviet Union defeated 225 divisions! - And we are "helpers", and they are "winners" ?! - Well, a.m.e. s, well, fuflizhniki!
    1. PValery53
      PValery53 8 May 2016 20: 38
      0
      If the Americans "were not interested in either their own or someone else's history," they would not have so shamelessly and brazenly rewrite history for themselves, loved ones.
  18. NEXUS
    NEXUS 8 May 2016 11: 08
    +1
    The mattresses are trying to erase the Victory of the Soviet soldier from memory and history. The information war continues. We need to talk more about that war, tell the world about where the mattresses were, what we did, where we were and what we went through.
  19. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 8 May 2016 11: 11
    +8
    Americans are not interested in history. Not mine
    no stranger. Neither with their wars won nor lost.
    Nobody watches TV programs on history. So "zombie"
    about the story there is simply no one there - no audience.
    There are talk about children, baseball, where to spend a vacation or rest on Sunday,
    about pets, the last movie.
    Topics: war, Europe, Putin-Russia do not interest anyone.
  20. Tanya
    Tanya 8 May 2016 11: 11
    +20
    My personal Immortal Regiment. Guard Senior Sergeant, Guard Petty Officer, Guard Colonel. Father, grandfather, cousin. Does even one American have a similar Guard? And we have one in almost every family ...
    1. gg.na
      gg.na 8 May 2016 13: 03
      +1
      Quote: Tanya
      My personal Immortal Regiment.

      I bow my naked head in a moment of silence in front of your Immortal regiment !!!
      1. Tanya
        Tanya 8 May 2016 13: 47
        +1
        Thank...
        I repeat once again that there are Heroes in every family. This is our older generation, which took a terrible blow and survived that war. At the front and in the rear.
        To all living things - health, to all those who have left - eternal Glory ...
  21. shinobi
    shinobi 8 May 2016 11: 17
    +6
    The most powerful and scary weapon in the United States, Hollywood. They can even pass off defeats as victory. The orders are a vivid example, they were draping so that the Germans could not catch them, the fuel was over. But a couple of movie stars and all of America and half of the world believe in victory. , Somalia. Vietnam.

    PS: at the dawn of perestroika, I was very unpleasant that I admired the mattress. The country where the lie was elevated to the rank of state idiology. And now it’s also fascist.
    1. gg.na
      gg.na 8 May 2016 13: 12
      +3
      Quote: shinobi
      : I am very unpleasant that at the dawn of perestroika, I admired the mattress.

      I appreciate your truthful writing of you! True, this is a very strong recognition and from this it becomes VERY VALUABLE! I will also say to myself frankly and honestly: I have never once in a single day had any admiration for America! There was one disgust (why ?! what He could not understand request ) and these last 10 years, even as far as whipping comes from one mention of America. And add another current ohruinu with her new government ...., also causes the urge to vomit.
  22. ametist415
    ametist415 8 May 2016 11: 18
    0
    For those who understand that private corporations and clans stand behind the "USA" brand. This is a business. (video from 2008, but still relevant today)
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 8 May 2016 21: 57
      0
      By the way, the translation is too soft.
      phrase at 4:53
      translation - Russians and Germans were dumb meat (translator interrupts)
    2. Forever so
      Forever so 8 May 2016 22: 26
      +1
      the Jewish god Yeshua preserves America, in another way it is impossible to understand why this country still exists.
  23. realist
    realist 8 May 2016 11: 31
    +4
    the overwhelming majority of the inhabitants of North America have an extremely limited education, we will generously forgive them their optimism about the victory in the Second World War, but even today all the inhabitants of our homeland commemorate the relatives and friends who died in that war. do not wake up a brown bear. Do not be dashing while it is quiet!
  24. slovak007
    slovak007 8 May 2016 11: 35
    +2
    Yeah, they threw the Fritz stew. Or not, Captain America came and scattered everyone ...
  25. Diesel 72
    Diesel 72 8 May 2016 11: 41
    +3
    The Second World War was won by the Soviet People and the Soviet Army, and the Americans simply clung to our Victory. Their stocking and stocking army is not able to win at least some small victory. This has not happened before.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 8 May 2016 13: 59
      +3
      Quote: Diesel72
      Not capable of their pantyhose and hosiery army to win at least some, Malomalsky victory.

      No, they fought with the Yapas in the Pacific Ocean .. Major victories: the destruction of the victorious American fleet in Pearl Harbor, the shelling of an empty island in the Tikhiy (the Yapas were evacuated from there 2 weeks before this), then the landing force was landed on the empty island. As a result of the "victorious" seizure of the empty island, the landing losses exceeded 300 people killed !!! We practiced due to confusion on each other! laughing fool
      But all 300 marines are now the national heroes of the United States!
      From so guys! lol
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 8 May 2016 15: 16
        0
        But these "toy" boats were sunk by the Americans ... wink
        (Yamato under the bombs)
  26. Ruby
    Ruby 8 May 2016 11: 47
    +4
    Not so long ago I came across a phrase, something like:
    Some people really want to review the results of the Second World War.
    If necessary - re-show!
  27. atamankko
    atamankko 8 May 2016 11: 54
    +1
    It is very disappointing for those who do not understand the greatness of our VICTORY.
  28. demo
    demo 8 May 2016 11: 55
    +9
    A bull with a plow rested by labor,
    And the Fly was sitting on his horns,
    And they met a fly on the road.
    "Where are you from, sister?" - This was the question.
    And she, lifting her nose,
    In response, she says:
    "Where from?" “We plowed!”
  29. Lelek
    Lelek 8 May 2016 11: 56
    +11
    (In the United States, the Red Army merely assisted the Americans in the fight against fascism)

    And they would go in the ass. Let yourself consider it. The main thing is that we know this story, as it really is, and we will pass this knowledge on to our grandchildren, and in some distant year they will go out to the square with portraits of our fathers and grandfathers and pass millions of MARCHES OF MEMORY.
    Happy Victory Day, members of the forum, be healthy and happy. drinks
  30. NordUral
    NordUral 8 May 2016 12: 08
    +2
    In vain we allowed to break the Union. They would try in Washington then to say so, as someone Obama did. Yes, and there would have been States with a living and prosperous USSR (with the right changes) by now the hegemon and executioner of the whole world - this is a big question.
    1. gg.na
      gg.na 8 May 2016 13: 22
      +1
      Quote: NordUral
      In vain we allowed to break the Union

      And now it is not necessary to allow today's undertakings (practically from scratch) to be allowed to ruin both out-of-the-box partners and internal enemies from the fifth column! Now, in RUSSIA, the most difficult period is the restoration of a lot throughout the country and this is a HUGE work. The moment, of course, is very vulnerable, therefore it is not necessary to let the "boat" rock, so that there is no repetition of the 90s!
  31. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 8 May 2016 12: 33
    0
    Only our Generalisimus was! And it was necessary to negotiate with the assistants in Tehran, Yalta, in Potsdam, and Zhukov accepted the surrender, Berzarin was the commandant of Berlin, Hitler got harried and decided to burn in the zone of responsibility of the USSR troops, and the assistants hoisted the banner over the Reichstag, mulettes ... yours!
  32. Comrade Glebov
    Comrade Glebov 8 May 2016 12: 35
    +2
    Any Yankee is proud that in 1918 they defeated Hitler during the Vietnam War in Iraq. What can I say ...
  33. esaul1950
    esaul1950 8 May 2016 12: 43
    +2
    I agree with Comrade Spitsin, if you want to destroy the people, start with the destruction of its history.
  34. Torins
    Torins 8 May 2016 12: 45
    +3
    Americans do not know what war is, and having been brought up on comics about super heroes, they imagine themselves to be rulers of the world, and in order to convince themselves of this, they attribute to themselves pieces of someone else's pie.
  35. VladimS
    VladimS 8 May 2016 13: 11
    +2
    “Once the veterans gathered on this holiday to drink and remember the fallen comrades. Now the main focus is on military parades, ”writes the Washington Post.

    One does not interfere with another and does not contradict in any way!
    And your desire, as usual, to cling to other people's victories, is known throughout the world.
    The newspaper explains that “this initiative, which is being carried out separately from military parades, appeared in 2012 as a non-politicized movement, but has since been picked up by the Kremlin.”

    You don’t have and never will. Because the poor in spirit and weak in memory!
  36. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 8 May 2016 13: 39
    +3
    Let the "overseas" think what they want, the main thing is that WE DO NOT FORGET ...
    And those fools will teach Life, the truth ...
    NOT IN FORCE GOD, AND IN TRUTH-Alexander Nevsky, it was, it is, and it will always be so.
  37. Pyokhar
    Pyokhar 8 May 2016 13: 43
    +1
    Dah somehow Russian fuck, I apologize for the rude tone that considers an American!
  38. drags33
    drags33 8 May 2016 13: 48
    +2
    Scoundrels Americans !!! And everything is done in accordance with Overton's theory - from the unthinkable to the generally accepted. The real history of the war, sprinkled with the blood of Soviet soldiers, is impudently perverted before our very eyes. That is why Victory Day is becoming an even more important and significant holiday in Russia today !!! Do not forget the feat of previous generations and do not let rewrite history !!!
  39. Azim77
    Azim77 8 May 2016 14: 11
    +3
    Yes, not the death toll is only a matter. It is bad that the Western media, most likely intentionally, call the people of the USSR as just the most injured party, which suffered the greatest number of victims. We do not need their condolences. We, the generation of the former USSR, consider ourselves winners, warriors who made the greatest MILITARY and LABOR contribution to the victory over fascism, which destroyed the largest number of Hitler troops, equipment, etc. We do not whimper and do not ask that our losses of that time be considered, for example, the genocide of the people and thereby pity us. No, we celebrate this day as OUR celebration of valor, heroism, courage and courage. This day is our pride and our memory ..
    Happy OUR holiday!
  40. Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 May 2016 15: 54
    +6
    Well, what did you want? We ourselves abandoned state ideology,
    it was enshrined in the Constitution. But it’s exactly on her that everyone is aligned,
    when they write textbooks, make films and stuff.
    And for 26 years we have achieved such permissiveness
    that soon our people will believe that the Americans made another contribution to the victory,
    and so we just filled up with corpses ...
    They do not know how to teach the history of the Second World War.
    As for me, it’s necessary to teach from memorizing German documents about
    what the Nazis wanted to do with us. They painted it well, point by point, and very intelligibly ...
    Understanding this immediately removes the questions of why we did not give up, like France, why Leningrad held on ... Therefore, we did not give up, therefore, held on, as the alternative was NOTHING.
    They would have erased us from the map, and then from history.
    And the Germans should not go in cycles, all of Europe participated in our destruction.
    But here we must also take into account that some figures from history, including teachers,
    tales of "the tyrant Stalin, who grappled with the tyrant Hitler" continue to pour into their ears.
    And such must be uprooted with their vision, so that they would speak only in the kitchen in their home.
  41. Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 May 2016 16: 27
    +1
    In addition to my post.
    How many countries participated in the attack on the USSR in 1941

    http://www.yaplakal.com/forum7/topic1372893.html

    That would be worth telling more often.
  42. sounddoc
    sounddoc 8 May 2016 16: 48
    +1
    Vata-vata, you haven’t even seen real Hitler! Look - this is the real Fuhrer, whom the Americans defeated !!!)))))))
  43. Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 May 2016 16: 56
    -1
    And here the goblin said from the heart.

    http://www.yaplakal.com/forum28/topic1372955.html

    It is a pity that such things are only said before 9 of May.
  44. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 8 May 2016 18: 08
    +3
    There was one moment when the Red Army helped the Americans:
    By early January 1945, the position of the allies in the Ardennes continued to be very difficult. Churchill sent a message to Stalin on January 6, 1945, in which, in particular, he wrote: “There are very hard fights in the West ... I will be grateful if you can tell me if we can count on a major Russian attack on the Vistula front or somewhere somewhere else during January ... ”On January 12, 1945, ahead of schedule, the Red Army launched an offensive on a broad front from the Baltic Sea to the Carpathians. German Field Commander General Field Marshal Gerd von Rundstedt was forced to withdraw from the Western Front the 6th SS Panzer Army, and then another 16 divisions and send them to the East. The German operation in the Ardennes ended in failure.

    So, if it were not for the offensive of the Red Army earlier than the scheduled date (again at the insistent request of the Anglo-Saxons), then the fat that was used to lubricate the heels of the Yankees and shaves might not be enough! And then the second front, which the Soviet Union had been waiting for a very long time from the "allies", and so it opened on June 6, 1944, i.e. when the Red Army approached the western borders of the USSR and it became obvious that the days of Nazi Germany were numbered. So goblins Anglo-Saxon shut up and don't whistle !!!
  45. vmo
    vmo 8 May 2016 18: 24
    +1
    It’s just that I don’t give a damn what the Americans inspire in themselves.

    But tired of what kind of warriors they are, we know very well, and they have the same newspaper, not a country, but a complete madhouse, sorry for decent people, but very few of them are visible.
  46. Playerman
    Playerman 8 May 2016 19: 08
    +1
    And in turnips ??? For such words? Sorry dear forum users (words only obscene) I want to beat their faces
  47. Playerman
    Playerman 8 May 2016 19: 12
    +5
    I have GRANDFATHER !!! 41-45 passed. From the beginning to the end. To my question: What are so few medals? Answer: So for the retreat of medals did not give! My friends have become so bitter, CREEP.
  48. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 8 May 2016 19: 40
    +2
    When the Germans dumped their troops in the English Channel and they prayed for Stalin for help,
    and this was at the end of the Second World War, for some reason this foul newspaper did not print
    similar statues. It would be interesting to pick up their own archives for the time the landing
    in the Ardennes and our help for their crying - otherwise the Germans would have rolled them in. exactly.
  49. Bayonet
    Bayonet 8 May 2016 19: 42
    +2
    Propaganda of ideological opponents has always been aimed at downplaying the contribution of another to victory. For some reason, they forget that the Second World War did not begin on June 22, 1941, but on September 1, 1939. We try not to mention the hostilities in southern Europe, northern Africa, and the Pacific theater of operations. On the eve of Victory Day, I would like to congratulate all the surviving veterans of that World War on the Victory Day over the Nazi plague and worthily remember those who laid their heads on the Victory Altar!
  50. Bahus
    Bahus 8 May 2016 20: 17
    0
    Honestly, I didn't read it completely, just the beginning, but it's clear what I'm talking about right away. In this context, we can say that Americans are of the apupel type, but by and large, ordinary inhabitants (residents), as it is not sad, but they really sincerely believe that it really is (((. In short, the lyrics are such that "radishes" are the main (at the top somewhere), so they really did their job at 5! (I do not argue that it took them time since the end of World War II) In short, the lyrics aside, you just need to wet them one at a time and in different ways so as not to be tied , and I will not believe that our "specialists" do not know who and where is anointed !!! And there, as they say, they will not associate these cases in public, because so that they do not attract attention to their loved ones! Oh, it would be even tougher, Vladimir Vladimirovich )))