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The American fleet has the answer to the Russians flying near its ships.

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The American fleet there is something to kick ass Russian flying near his ships (original title of the translated article)


The American fleet has the answer to the Russians flying near its ships.


13 On April, a couple of Russian Su-24 fighters decided to offend the US Navy ship Donald Kuk (DDG 75). Russian planes made about ten flights at close range. One senior US official called it "one of the most aggressive actions in recent stories».


One of the spans was so close that it raised a wave around the ship. The plane passed about 10 meters from the ship.



However, America has the answer to these games with spans.


Our fleet has powerful weapons Phalanx CIWS (Close-in Weapon System - melee weapon system). It is used to fire at targets such as attacking missiles or fighters.



The Phalanx CIWS has an 4500 firing rate per minute and Donald Cook has two bad guys on his board.


This is equal to 75 shells in ONE second.





The CIWS system also has the nickname R2D2 (robot character "Star Wars", photo above).








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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 10 May 2016 06: 46
    +3
    on "tricky phalanxes" we have "electronic warfare with a screw" ... after the application of which, you can land a boarding group of marines on "cookies". smile
    1. Navigator
      Navigator 10 May 2016 07: 33
      +22
      Our ships have something similar - the AK-630 complex. It has a shooting mode from the sighting column through the collimator sight. And you can shoot without fear of any electronic warfare, especially at a low-flying target. It is possible that s have exactly the same opportunities. Therefore, to exclude the use of Vulcan-phalance would be wrong.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 10 May 2016 08: 54
        +10
        Quote: Navigator
        Our ships have something similar - the AK-630 complex.

        Our system is both faster-firing (6000 rounds per minute) and the rotation does not come from an electric motor, but thanks to powder gases, as far as I remember.
        Quote: Navigator
        It is possible that s have exactly the same opportunities.

        The principle of operation of their systems is different.
        1. spravochnik
          spravochnik 10 May 2016 09: 36
          +6
          Quote: NEXUS

          Our system is both faster-firing (6000 rounds per minute) and the rotation does not come from an electric motor, but thanks to powder gases, as far as I remember.

          And it will be more powerful: a caliber of 30 mm, against 20.
          1. Dimon19661
            Dimon19661 10 May 2016 10: 14
            +15
            Phalanx can work on purpose only in the Doppler effect mode (TWS mode), MP-123 VIMPEL (AK-630 control station) works both in TWS and in normal mode, which gives a significant advantage when tracking highly maneuverable targets. can carry two guns, with a total maximum rate of 12000 rpm.Although usually the rate of fire is set to 3000, or 4500 rpm for each gun. As the AK caliber was correctly noted, it is 10 mm higher, respectively, the salvo weight is greater. the systems are approximately the same, but unlike the FALANX, VIMPEL has two more backup pointing methods - from a TV, and from a column (main-radar), although these two methods are mainly used for firing at mines and coastal targets (landing support).
            1. Dimon19661
              Dimon19661 10 May 2016 16: 26
              +1
              Yes, I forgot to specify the configuration — two AK-630 and one AK-176 for one station VIMPEL MP 123-01. Such a scheme was on SSV-33 URAL.
          2. Buran
            Buran 10 May 2016 16: 02
            +4
            Are you talking about this beast?
            1. Alexey-74
              Alexey-74 11 May 2016 11: 29
              0
              great video ..... yes, our pirates scoffed good
        2. figwam
          figwam 10 May 2016 22: 47
          +2
          GS-24-6 GUN IS ON THE SU-23, FIRING UP TO 9000 RPM
      2. amirbek
        amirbek 10 May 2016 09: 14
        +1
        Quote: Navigator
        And you can shoot without fear of any electronic warfare, especially at a low-flying target.

        it is necessary to send "unmanned missiles without warheads" next time along a similar trajectory smile
      3. Apsit
        Apsit 10 May 2016 09: 46
        +13
        Quote: Navigator
        Therefore, to exclude the use of Vulcan-phalance would be wrong.

        Well, they are not suicides. And to open fire for defeat according to our VKS, it is to go down in history as a person who unleashed the 3rd World War.
        1. In100gram
          In100gram 11 May 2016 15: 56
          0
          Quote: Apsit
          open fire to defeat our VKS

          Already been in Syria. SU-24.
      4. sub307
        sub307 10 May 2016 11: 17
        +8
        But what is the limit in this case: what does who have? We "have" ... they "have" .... The question is whether they have the spirit to consciously apply this, what "is". After all, the answer from us will be quite real and more than justified. Moreover, the precedent took place off our coast. So that all the past and subsequent discussion in the key used in the article is nothing more than a "vibration of the atmosphere" (blogosphere, etc.).
        1. Skif83
          Skif83 10 May 2016 20: 14
          0
          This is what they understand, how they understand that Russia is perhaps the most warring country in the world. And few can boast of victories over Russia. But Russia can!
          Because amery and in a panic, and suddenly flies ...
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    2. Andrey K
      Andrey K 10 May 2016 07: 50
      +13
      An interesting reaction of US military specialists, the most important thing in time laughing
      This is from the series:
      Monya comes home with a fingal under her eye.
      - BUT
      what do you have with your eye?
      - Rabinovich hit me.
      - And sho, you again did not react in any way ?!
      - I didn’t react ?! I also reacted
      - And how? !!
      - I fell. laughing
      And I ... And I ...
      After the fight they don’t wave their fists, and if they wave, they mean that you can rake again soldier
      1. Leto
        Leto 10 May 2016 08: 20
        +2
        Quote: Andrey K
        After the fight they don’t wave their fists, and if they wave, they mean that you can rake again

        If there was a fight, then the number of Heroes of the Russian Federation would be cut off by 4 people, and so a stupid reason to tear his shirt on his chest.
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 10 May 2016 08: 32
          +6
          Have you decided to troll? I'll tell you a secret, people here are serious, and this kind of "communication" is not welcome here hi
          Please explain what you had in mind by your comment, without any grimaces. negative
          1. Leto
            Leto 10 May 2016 08: 39
            +9
            Quote: Andrey K
            Please explain what you had in mind by your comment, without any grimaces.

            In the event of a "fight" the Su-24 would have been shot down, and the dead pilots would have been declared heroes. Therefore, it is worth rejoicing that the "fight" did not occur, and the tragedy did not repeat itself as on 25.05.1968/16/XNUMX. with the crew of Tu-XNUMX Lieutenant Colonel A.Z. Pliev.
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 10 May 2016 08: 48
              +19
              Now your position is clear hi
              I will explain my own: I do not consider myself a patriot, I believe that one should rely on reality.
              And the reality is this: in the event of a fight and the destruction of our Su, as you suggested, "Cook" would not have walked a mile. I don't think there are any stupid people in the US to suggest otherwise. And I would have to somehow explain at home how "Cook" ended up 70 kilometers from a foreign military base, on the back of the globe ...
              1. Leto
                Leto 10 May 2016 10: 39
                +1
                Quote: Andrey K
                And the reality is this: in the event of a fight and the destruction of our Su, as you suggested, "Cook" would not have walked a mile.

                What is your assumption based on? If Commander Cook had gone mad and gave the order to shoot down Sushki, they would not have known about the incident right away, Cook would have had enough time to "go quietly."
                Quote: Andrey K
                I don't think there are stupid people in the USA

                They are clearly not in the fleet (no matter what they were inventing), because Cook’s command was limited to video filming.
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 10 May 2016 10: 55
                  +12
                  Your reasoning
                  Quote: Leto

                  What is your assumption based on? If Commander Cook had gone mad and gave the order to shoot down Sushki, they would not have known about the incident right away, Cook would have had enough time to "go quietly."

                  They are clearly not in the fleet (no matter what they were inventing), because Cook’s command was limited to video filming.

                  very interesting. Are you guided by the words of the comedian when you assess the possibility of getting quiet at Cook's?
                  laughing How do you imagine that? laughing
                  "If Commander Cook went crazy and gave the order to shoot down Sushki" - he would have dumped to the bottom of the Baltic, exactly during the time the command passed before the calculations of "Bal" or "Bastion" and the destruction of this trough.
                  1. igorka357
                    igorka357 12 May 2016 13: 55
                    0
                    Andrei, you’re not in the topic, however, such incidents .. I mean the downing of the plane and return fire are being solved at the highest level, this is not a mess between the African bumboos, these are two nuclear powers .. which can even split the globe! I think comrade Leto is right if the captain of the cook had gone crazy four heroes ... a public apology is possible, and pretty preferences for Russia! None of the commanders below the deputy defense minister would have taken responsibility for the sinking of the US destroyer, without the approval of the president, this is a grandmother do not go!
                2. Alibekulu
                  Alibekulu 10 May 2016 13: 01
                  -6
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  In general, a toy from the shore could fly to try to shoot down our plane.
                  It has already been mentioned here, but nevertheless, what kind of toy flew in to the Turks, not even for trying, but for the concrete shooting down of your aircraft in Syriarequest ?!
                  Quote: Andrey K
                  And the reality is this: in the event of a fight and the destruction of our Su, as you suggested, "Cook" would not have walked a mile
                  As it were, the case of a fight and the destruction of Su by the Turks was in reality. And how many Turkish F-16 miles did not pass / did not fly repeat?
                  Quote: Leto
                  They are clearly not in the fleet (no matter what they were inventing), because Cook’s command was limited to video filming.
                  Well, actually, this is the answer why the Su-24 so flown around the American ship ..
                  In general, you should probably have given a "warning" after .. laughing
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                  2. Andrey K
                    Andrey K 10 May 2016 13: 57
                    +11
                    Immediately see a specialist laughing
                    Are you a specialist in the field of aviation, navy or propaganda? request
                    Please be so kind as to explain what it means:"Well, in fact, this is the answer why the Su-24 flew around an American ship so dashingly .." hi
                    Is it something that quickly flew over the ship or that did not approach it at all? hi
                    And if you would be so kind, please give at least a tip for the presence of information that the Russian planes were afraid to approach and "flew" the "Cook" hi
                    "As if the case of a fight and destruction of Su by the Turks was in reality. And how many miles the Turkish F-16 did not go / did not fly."
                    But nothing that the Turks shot down our Su without leaving national territory? Do you propose declaring war on Turkey? I am for good
                    Are you going to fight the Turks with me? Or "sofa" will not let go?
                    Have you seen the map of the Baltic Sea? Cook's location?
                    "In general, you should probably have given a" warning "after .."
                    Kind soul you little man, I probably feel sorry for the sailors from "Cook", we decided to cheer them up lol
                  3. ZIS
                    ZIS 10 May 2016 19: 09
                    +1
                    Do not be bullshit if the Turk was shot down, it would collapse on Turkish territory and we would have to wash, Cook would have no chance, having received RCC on board off our Baltic coasts, letting bubbles near his own, would not have been hauled.
                  4. 11 black
                    11 black 10 May 2016 19: 27
                    +3
                    Quote: Alibekulu
                    In general, I should probably have given a "warning" after .. laughing

                    Well then, ours should have been given a warning response in the forehead with the help of the Bastion, so that the rocket passed meters from the ship. They a year ago fell off from the mere fact of the presence of the Bastion in the Black Sea, and would have received just such an answer.
                    1. Alibekulu
                      Alibekulu 11 May 2016 08: 36
                      -3
                      Quote: Andrey K
                      Kind soul you little man, I probably feel sorry for the sailors from "Cook", we decided to cheer them up
                      Yes, it's not a pity, just ridiculous and ridiculous these rantings in the style of "Yes, we would give them if they caught up with us crying"
                      And in fact the Turks brought down the drying, and the Russian request? Oh yes tomatoes ...belay
                      I repeat, there is a lot of "heroism" in flying around an American knowing that nothing will happen. Repeat against a similar Turkish warship. They will warn you a couple of times and ..
                      Quote: 11 black
                      Well, then ours should give a warning back to the forehead with the help of the Bastion
                      Ok, so why didn't they hit the Turk with "Bastion" request ?!
                      Quote: Andrey K
                      And be so kind, please give at least a tip
                      On the vodka wife will give, if there is one ..
                      Quote: Andrey K
                      And nothing that the Turks shot down our Su, without leaving the national territory?
                      The Americans could shoot down the recipient of your Su, so they were not part of the national territories of the Russian Federation? There would be no war and no one would declare it. Neither Russia nor Turkey, but it was necessary to land the Turk, well, or send "with friendly greetings" caliber to Inzherlik ..
                      But, but Vova did not have a tomato against Turk
                      Quote: Andrey K
                      And you with me, the Turks go to war?
                      From the Donbass write? In general, take a ticket to Kostanay, we will meet there and go, business something ..
                      1. Andrey K
                        Andrey K 11 May 2016 14: 41
                        +5
                        Alibek:

                        Yes, it’s not a pity, these rags in the style are simply ridiculous and absurd
                        Yes, we would have given them if they had caught up with us crying"
                        And in fact the Turks brought down the drying, and the Russian request? Oh yes tomatoes...
                        On the vodka wife will give, if there is one .."
                        "From the Donbass write? In general, take a ticket to Kostanay, we will meet there and go, business something .."

                        Alibek, and you control the flow of words that you write? Give a report to what is written?

                        First: you Ham, minus you from me.
                        Having no reason, they decided to sneak up on my loved ones - it's wretched and low!
                        Not worthy of the interlocutor, just men!
                        Secondly: I did not sit with you on the same "Kostanai field", I did not allow you to poke!
                        Third: I live not far from Kazakhstan, I often visit my friends there. I have not met Kazakhs, "writing with kipyak" from the mention of the deceased Russian pilot. You are the first.
                        Such as I don’t need you, not what to take a ticket to Kostanay and go with you, fight someone there laughing
                        Health to you hi
                      2. Alibekulu
                        Alibekulu 11 May 2016 15: 28
                        -1
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        Do you control the flow of words that you write? Give a report written?
                        Look in the mirror, please ..
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        I have not met Kazakhs, "writing with kipyak" from the mention of the deceased Russian pilot. You are the first.
                        Give a report written? Do you control the flow of words you write?
                        From the very beginning of the incident, and even here I wrote that as a response measure, it is necessary to land a Turkish plane or in Inzherlik caliber. Where in these 2 sentences - "writing with boiling water" fool from the mention of the dead Russian pilot?
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        Such as I don’t need you, not what to take a ticket to Kostanay and go with you, fight someone there
                        As if recourse I did not offer with a Turk voevati soldier ?! And not me repeat mentioned the "sofa". I just agreed to the offer ..
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        First: You are HAM,
                        Ok good no problem..
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        Secondly: I did not sit with you on the same "Kostanai field", I did not allow you to poke!
                        Impose sanctions wink Write to me on "you", I do not mind. You understand what the problems are, here on the site there are many worthy users, and involuntarily, due to my respect for them, I write to them in "you" ..
                        And about your request, as a response, I will simply quote M.Tetcher:
                        Being powerful is like being a real lady. If you have to remind people that you are, then you are definitely not. ”
                      3. Andrey K
                        Andrey K 11 May 2016 17: 59
                        +5
                        It’s interesting to talk with you - you are pouring quotes, then mine, then Thatcher laughing
                        Alibek:
                        1. In the Russian language, the appeal to "you" is not a desire or disposition to the interlocutor, but a sign of the presence of culture, education, if you like. It is customary to contact "You" either by permission or by default to close friends. You have neither the one nor the other in relation to me, as I have to you. If it is accepted by you, then apply your rules, where they are perceived. I didn’t allow you to do this.
                        PS Your link to Thatcher amused yourselves, you can continue to be guided by sensations of the lady laughing
                        I can tell you with another quote: "The lower a person is in soul, the higher his nose is. He reaches with his nose where his soul has not grown." Omar Khayyam good
                        Well, God be with him, with your upbringing, these are your problems. Let us return to the topic of the article, as it should be on this site. hi
                        2. "As a retaliatory measure, it is necessary to land a Turkish aircraft or with an Inzherlik caliber" ... No.
                        You dashing guy, you probably even served in the army and graduated from the diplomatic academy.
                        Do you watch news in general, read newspapers? No? Then I’ll tell you a secret: the Turk launched a rocket while on national territory. Released her on at least two of Su. That is, to land the F-16, you propose crossing the border, and accordingly the Turkish air defense zone, and pull it, at least to the Khmeimim airfield, because it’s not possible to put it in Turkish? Tactics you are awful negative
                        "Caliber according to Inzherlik" ... You and a lousy strategist. I will reveal a terrible military secret, the Inzherlik airfield is leased from the United States. That is, while in Kazakhstan, in Kostanay, you realized that for the Su shot down by the Turks, you need to hit the US airbase fool
                        Sometimes looking at a map is useful. And also Dahl’s dictionary, I highly recommend it.
                        Peace to your house, I have the honor.
                      4. Alibekulu
                        Alibekulu 12 May 2016 10: 59
                        -1
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        I didn't let you do that.
                        И repeat?!
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        Then I will reveal to you a secret: a Turk released a rocket while on the national territory.
                        It is possible to receive this rocket on a Russian national territory by rocketing a Russian plane and for that there is nothing bude?
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        That is, you propose to land the F-16, crossing the border, and, accordingly, the Turkish air defense zone and pull it, if only to the Khmeimim airfield, because you shouldn’t put it on the Turkish one?
                        Plant in the sense of shoot down .. Russian is not native fool?!
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        I will reveal a terrible military secret, the Inzherlik airfield is leased from the USA. That is, while you are in Kazakhstan, in Kostanay, you have figured out that for Su who was shot down by the Turks, you need to hit a US air base
                        Kibalchish - Turkish base where Turkish fighters are stationed
                        According to Turkish media reports, the Incirlik-based coalition forces group includes 12 attack aircraft A10, 12 tanker aircraft KC-135, 11 drone MQ-1 Predator and 14 fighter jets F16 Turkish Air Force.
                        http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/asia/17-12-2015/1286424-turkey-0/
                        In addition, American fighters leave the Incirlik airbase in full force .. Yes, and sometimes read that google is useful .. lol
                      5. Andrey K
                        Andrey K 12 May 2016 11: 10
                        +5
                        You can reprint my quotes, can you say something on the topic?
                        "In addition, American fighters leave Incirlik airbase in full force .. And sometimes read that it can be useful to google .. lol"
                        I do not use all kinds of Google and Wikipedia, and I do not advise you. Information is stuffed there by "specialists" either from idleness, picking it out of their noses, or sheep, who need to pass the time laughing
                        Before you blurt out something (say, write), study the materiel hi
                        Ask when the Americans decided to withdraw the aircraft from the Inzherlik? request
                        Before your planned, tovarisch strategist, with the strikes "Caliber" or after? request
                        Do not engage in flood, if there is something on the topic - I am ready to communicate with you with great pleasure hi
                        On this topic was closed, I was glad to exchange views hi
                        Good luck good
                      6. Alibekulu
                        Alibekulu 13 May 2016 11: 23
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        I do not use all sorts of Google and Wikipedia
                        I look and brains too ..
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        Information is stuffed there by "specialists" either from idleness, picking it out of their noses, or sheep, who need to pass the time

                        So you're from the sheep car or nose pickers ..?!
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        Do not flood
                        In-in, stop already ..
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        On this topic was closed, I was glad to exchange views
                        And all the galleries crying And I hoped so I believed ..
    3. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 10 May 2016 13: 12
      +1
      In fact, this situation of mutual fear remains with us.

      The Turks with their scumbag at the head of this fear is not. Here is the result. However, the consequences are not always instantaneous and far from always visible to the average person.
  2. qwert
    qwert 10 May 2016 09: 32
    +4
    Quote: Leto
    In the event of a "fight" the Su-24 would have been shot down, and the dead pilots would have been declared heroes.
    Probably. True, they would not have been shot down by Volcanoes, since on 2000 they would not have approached the ship. Most likely they would have entered on a pair of X-31 kilometers with 100 (as an option for X-58 or old women X-28) Approaching such a range undetected would be quite possible. At least earlier, the Tu-16 did it. And in the real situation as a whole, they could have completely not been shot down.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 10 May 2016 10: 48
      +4
      Quote: qwert
      Most likely they would have entered on a pair of X-31 kilometers with 100 (as an option for X-58 or old women X-28)

      Edward, it’s not difficult for you to find at least one the real photo Su-24M with the X-31 rocket? Me at the time when preparing the article Service and combat use of the Su-24 front-line bomber this could not be done. In addition, the problematic liquid X-28 has long been removed from service. I do not know anything about the possibility of using the X-58 against the Aegis radar system, but the Su-24M anti-ship missile system does not exactly carry it.
  3. Shurik70
    Shurik70 10 May 2016 13: 15
    +5
    Quote: Leto

    it is worth rejoicing that the "fight" did not occur, and the tragedy did not repeat itself as on 25.05.1968/16/XNUMX. with the crew of Tu-XNUMX Lieutenant Colonel A.Z. Pliev.

    Talk nonsense.
    At that time, the plane accidentally caught a wing on the water.
    And the American sailors, by the way, immediately rushed to save the pilots.
    They threaten to open fire here.
    In response to the killing of aircraft, we will drown the ship.
    And what will happen next depends solely on the level of idiocy in the high command of at least one of the countries.
  4. sgazeev
    sgazeev 10 May 2016 16: 11
    +2
    They compared the Su-24 and Tu-16. In the latter, the crew commander did a lot of stupidity.
    25.05.1968/16/967, when trying to fly over the aircraft carrier "Essex", Tu-1 with its entire crew perishes. The plane belonged to XNUMX ODRAP (Severomorsk-XNUMX) commander A.Z. Pliev. A rescue group was immediately sent from the aircraft carrier, the bodies were raised, which were subsequently transferred to the Soviet side.
    Tu-16R Performed reconnaissance of the US Navy aircraft carrier Essex in the Norwegian Sea. Turning around at low altitude, I caught water on my wing. The crew died, the bodies of three crew members were raised by the Americans and handed over to Soviet representatives. There are American cinema and photo materials of this disaster.
  • Andrey K
    Andrey K 10 May 2016 09: 09
    +10
    Not only do you trolling, but also minus stealthily negative
    Low and ugly negative
    Not because minus, but because you are quiet negative
  • spravochnik
    spravochnik 10 May 2016 09: 39
    +4
    Quote: Leto
    Quote: Andrey K
    After the fight they don’t wave their fists, and if they wave, they mean that you can rake again

    If there was a fight, then the number of Heroes of the Russian Federation would be cut off by 4 people, and so a stupid reason to tear his shirt on his chest.

    And how much would the number of Congress Medal holders increase (posthumously)?
    1. Andrey K
      Andrey K 10 May 2016 09: 57
      +7
      Quote: spravochnik
      Quote: Leto
      Quote: Andrey K
      After the fight they don’t wave their fists, and if they wave, they mean that you can rake again

      If there was a fight, then the number of Heroes of the Russian Federation would be cut off by 4 people, and so a stupid reason to tear his shirt on his chest.

      And how much would the number of Congress Medal holders increase (posthumously)?

      The Congressional Medal is awarded for: "Outstanding Achievement of Special Significance to the History and Culture of the United States", in this hypothetical version the team would receive the "Purple Heart" medal - it is awarded to all American military personnel who are killed or injured as a result of enemy actions belay
      This is such a heroic medal: just for a corpse wassat
      Well, this is an ultramodern trough, it would be withdrawn from the combat fleet of the United States Navy belay
      1. spravochnik
        spravochnik 10 May 2016 10: 18
        +2
        Well why, under the wording "Outstanding achievements that have special significance for history" tongue All the same, World War 3 was unleashed.
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 10 May 2016 10: 22
          +6
          Well, if from this point of view, then yes, such an award will be worthy laughing
          As a visual aid, how not to do laughing
  • Aleks.Antonov
    Aleks.Antonov 10 May 2016 19: 46
    -1
    Totally agree with you! If grandmother had textiles, then she would be Grandfather!
  • Vend
    Vend 10 May 2016 09: 32
    -2
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    on "tricky phalanxes" we have "electronic warfare with a screw" ... after the application of which, you can land a boarding group of marines on "cookies". smile

    After all the electronics are cut down, as it was already once, all military systems of "Donald Cook" are worthless
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  • siberalt
    siberalt 10 May 2016 10: 06
    +4
    Let them stop swimming near our flying fighters and there will be no problems. laughing
    We are at home. If they shoot, there will be no war, but Cook’s fate will be repeated already at the bottom of the Baltic Sea.
  • RDX
    RDX 10 May 2016 12: 00
    +1
    since when did the SU-24 become a fighter, not the first time I notice the incompetence of the authors
    1. Andy
      Andy 10 May 2016 13: 54
      0
      you're not right. according to "their" classification, the Su24 fighter. The funny thing is that our grant eaters, while preparing a report on the all-out Kaliningrad, ALSO referred them to fighters.
  • Gray 43
    Gray 43 10 May 2016 06: 47
    +9
    The staff members can respond to overflights only by removing their cans of all types of movement back home, all types of "answers" described in the article will be extremely troublesome, because there will be no "bulk" again, the aggressor will be destroyed, not we came to them, they themselves climb and provoke a response
  • Eragon
    Eragon 10 May 2016 06: 48
    +28
    So what is the article about? Photos are beautiful, the plane is beautiful, the ship is also beautiful ...
    It remains only to answer the author: We have something to answer the American ships sailing off our coast.
  • hohkn
    hohkn 10 May 2016 06: 49
    +9
    The American fleet has the answer to the Russians flying near its ships.

    The best answer for mattresses can be only one - do not crawl near our shores.
  • Bosk
    Bosk 10 May 2016 06: 52
    +5
    The flight of two aircraft near the ship is figuratively speaking, it is considered as the sinking of this ship, because the guys are furious ...
  • Waltasar
    Waltasar 10 May 2016 06: 54
    +2
    Naturally there is, like any large ship. What is this written at all?
  • bionik
    bionik 10 May 2016 06: 54
    +8
    Our Russian ZRAK "Kashtan-M".
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 10 May 2016 07: 04
      +9
      Not quite correct comparison.
      But this is closer to the AK-630M-2 "Duet". 10 shots per second.


      In general, a toy from the shore could fly to try to shoot down our plane.
      1. Samy
        Samy 10 May 2016 07: 33
        +4
        Lope, lope per second?
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 10 May 2016 07: 44
          +3
          Sorry, in a minute. )))
      2. aba
        aba 10 May 2016 07: 46
        +4
        In general, a toy from the shore could fly to try to shoot down our plane.

        So if there is such a chance, then I’m just not sure that our aviators will just circle around this Cook without EW, without weapons and the like.
      3. Leto
        Leto 10 May 2016 08: 22
        -4
        Quote: Wedmak
        But this is closer to the AK-630M-2 "Duet".

        List the ships on which this product is installed.
        1. kugelblitz
          kugelblitz 10 May 2016 09: 05
          0
          All of these revolving guns actually do not have such high efficiency, weapons of last chance, when there is no time to launch a rocket. So what are you doing in vain here, if the show-offs would hit with rockets, then I would believe, but the guns are purely for the public, to obscure the stench from stinking ports. lol
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 10 May 2016 12: 03
            0
            All of these revolving guns don't actually have that much efficiency.

            You are wrong. These machines are designed for short-range air defense, when the missile is no longer available. They create a curtain of fire and with the proper guidance system, bring everything that flies.
            Another question is if curved operators smear. Or a completely different issue of effectiveness against 7-ton Volcanoes and Granites.
            True, if there are a lot of attacking missiles and they come from different angles ... here it is only about minimizing damage.
        2. spravochnik
          spravochnik 10 May 2016 09: 44
          +7
          List the ships on which this product is installed.


          "Buyans", "Ivan Gren".
          1. Leto
            Leto 10 May 2016 10: 43
            +1
            Quote: spravochnik
            List the ships on which this product is installed.


            "Buyans", "Ivan Gren".

            Exactly, thanks.
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      4. Locksmith
        Locksmith 10 May 2016 08: 44
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        In general, trying to bring down our plane

        Amers have a funny film "City Commando" where the hero walks past a car in which a cool signaling shows off and prohibits him from being very close to the car, as a result, the hero pulls out this signaling from the car by the root and leaves, the signaling then laments - " was silent " laughing
  • free
    free 10 May 2016 06: 58
    0
    then by the shore you will remain forever.
  • Ayujak
    Ayujak 10 May 2016 07: 10
    -1
    The phalanx is good of course. If it works laughing After all, the ship may stall for some unknown reason.
    1. Leto
      Leto 10 May 2016 08: 22
      +2
      Quote: AYUJAK
      After all, the ship may stall for some unknown reason.

      What? Again Khibiny?
    2. kugelblitz
      kugelblitz 10 May 2016 09: 08
      +6
      In fact, they do not need to be afraid of EWs, but of Onyx arriving from where, if Sushki could work out suddenly, then a volley of cruise missiles will do its job. That's what they got scared of. wassat
    3. Forest
      Forest 10 May 2016 09: 31
      0
      Stop Believing in EW. So far, apart from the EMP of a nuclear explosion, nothing can affect the electronics of the ship, especially the complex of protection against Su-34 missiles.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 10 May 2016 09: 33
        +1
        Quote: Forest
        Stop Believing in EW. So far, apart from the EMP of a nuclear explosion, nothing can affect the electronics of the ship, especially the complex of protection against Su-34 missiles.

        The incident off the coast of Crimea suggests otherwise. It was there that the coastal EW systems put out the Cook.
        1. Forest
          Forest 10 May 2016 10: 10
          0
          They do not even have enough range, not to mention power. What is designed to combat UAVs and portable radios cannot even do anything with the tank, not to mention the ship. If they had shut down the BIOS, the ship would have been unable to do anything there for a day, not to swim until the systems reboot.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 10 May 2016 10: 25
          0
          Actually, the destroyer in the Black Sea took the Bastion missile system and the electronic warfare systems for tracking purposes absolutely nothing to do with it.
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 10 May 2016 12: 04
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            Actually, the destroyer in the Black Sea took the Bastion missile system and the electronic warfare systems for tracking purposes absolutely nothing to do with it.


            Yes, no one took anyone.

            The ship originally sailed to Constanta.
            For some show, damn it.
            Prezik Romanov sang on a ship with a nightingale.

            He walked directly from the Bosphorus.
            There are official dates of passage of straits and arrival at the port.
            If you look, then it will become clear to you that there was no way for our destroyers to capture and track targets - this destroyer could not be by definition.
            Sightseeing could also potentially see something, but for the target capture mode this is too far away.
            Enough to repeat the mantra, invented by idiots - everything can be verified in reality.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 10 May 2016 14: 08
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            Actually, the destroyer in the Black Sea took the Bastion missile system and the electronic warfare systems for tracking purposes absolutely nothing to do with it.

            Dear, Cook off the coast of Crimea led at least a dozen coastal radars, from which all the destroyer electronics literally roared. And Cook put out the EW Monolith complex. Before writing such nonsense, first read the subject of the conversation.
            1. mav1971
              mav1971 11 May 2016 11: 30
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: Vadim237
              Actually, the destroyer in the Black Sea took the Bastion missile system and the electronic warfare systems for tracking purposes absolutely nothing to do with it.

              Dear, Cook off the coast of Crimea led at least a dozen coastal radars, from which all the destroyer electronics literally roared. And Cook put out the EW Monolith complex. Before writing such nonsense, first read the subject of the conversation.


              The EW Monolith complex does not exist.
              There is such a name in the radar of Coastal anti-ship missiles, but it doesn’t in electronic warfare.
              And the ideal range for this radar near 350-400 to detect. On target capture, escorts are far less 300.
            2. rudolff
              rudolff 11 May 2016 12: 01
              +1
              And how is the Monolith able to "extinguish" something? Conventional over-the-horizon shipborne radar (RLK), only "on wheels". Detection and target designation. An updated version of the old Titanite.
        3. Bongo
          Bongo 10 May 2016 10: 56
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          The incident off the coast of Crimea suggests otherwise. It was there that the coastal EW systems put out the Cook.

          Andrey, good afternoon! What actually happened off the coast of Crimea is unknown. No. If you do not believe me, ask the "ancient", Sergei will confirm - unfortunately, the front-line bomber Su-24M does not carry systems capable of extinguishing Aegis.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 10 May 2016 14: 30
            +5
            Good afternoon, Seryozha! The fact that the radar monitors on Cook "flooded with milk" confirm the mattresses themselves. This is a fact. And therefore, I believe, as I said above, from exposure to a dozen coastal radars and exposure in combination with electronic warfare systems, Cook and I'm not saying that the Monolith is or is not capable of extinguishing the Aegis alone, I am talking about the fact that there was a group impact on the destroyer's electronics, which led to the disconnection of Cook's electronics.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 10 May 2016 14: 37
              +3
              Quote: NEXUS
              The fact that the radar monitors on Cook "flooded with milk" confirms the mattresses themselves. This is a fact. And therefore, I believe, as I said above, from exposure to a dozen coastal radars and exposure in conjunction with electronic warfare systems, Cook was extinguished. I'm not talking about the fact that the Monolith is or is not capable of extinguishing the Aegis alone, I mean that there was a group impact on the destroyer's electronics, which led to the disconnection of Cook's electronics.


              Andrei, I would know, even superficially, the characteristics and capabilities of the AN / SPY-1 radar, I did not take it for granted. Of course, the Americans had certain difficulties, but I forgive I do not believe in the complete failure of Aegis. No. Most likely, after irradiation of the ship with the guidance stations of coastal complexes, the Americans simply lost their nerves.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 10 May 2016 17: 47
                +4
                Quote: Bongo
                Most likely, after irradiation of the ship with the guidance stations of coastal complexes, the Americans simply lost their nerves.

                The characteristics of the electronic warfare systems that are currently being used are often classified information. And what only the developers are fully aware of is capable of these complexes, and I think this is far from the ultimate possibilities. For example, Krasukha-4 ... what we also know about this complex what was broadcast in the media and on the Zvezda channel? Nothing in fact. And this applies to the Lever, and to Vitebsk, and to the same Monolith. By the way, it’s not the fact that the Crime incident with Cook completed the Monolith. I can fully assume that this was a completely new electronic warfare complex, which was tested on the electronics of a mattress destroyer. I don’t think they will tell you, me, or any of the members of the forum present.
                And about "lost their nerves" ... Seryozha, they knew where they were going and what could be. They lost their nerves when they saw that they were defenseless. Indirect proof of the operation of the electronic warfare systems is a 12-fold flight over the destroyer in order to see what the reaction of the equipment the foe will be, and of course the act of warning too.
  • mamont5
    mamont5 10 May 2016 07: 21
    +14
    Shoot down that is not a problem. Problems will begin after ... the United States. And "Cook" (or whoever else) will lie quietly at the bottom and nothing will bother him.
    1. Leto
      Leto 10 May 2016 08: 23
      -3
      Quote: mamont5
      Shoot down is not a problem. Problems after will begin ... in the USA.

      Which ones? By analogy with the Turkish?
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 10 May 2016 18: 19
        0
        Quote: Leto
        Which ones? By analogy with the Turkish?

        You confuse moments a little:
        1. At that moment there was no cover, no aircraft in the neutral zone, no escort, here the ship must have been shining from the shore, from the airfield the flight time from the BC was 6 minutes, and the KR would fly faster.
        2. Attacking Turkey in a deliberately losing situation makes no sense, our videoconferencing would be enough for an hour and a half, and no one planned to start a nuclear war in that region.
        3. The authority of GDP on the world stage is such (the second plane) will not be forgiven, they won’t even greet him, therefore, our will be beaten for sure and powerfully, our sailors will certainly be saved, after we apologize and we will stir up some kind of contract from the time of the 60s - about dangerous approaches and incidents.
    2. mav1971
      mav1971 10 May 2016 08: 41
      +3
      Quote: mamont5
      Shoot down is not a problem. Problems after will begin ... in the USA.


      Turkey has a lot of problems?
      Militarily?

      I am not saying that the termination of trade relations is another.
      1. potroshenko
        potroshenko 10 May 2016 11: 31
        0
        Interestingly, but from the Su-24 would have managed to come ashore in case of a shot down? Is there some kind of automatic attack signal transmission system? And how does it work?
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 10 May 2016 11: 37
          +2
          Quote: potroshenko
          Interestingly, would a Su-24 have time to get a signal to the shore in case of a downing?

          Only on the radio, if we had time ...
          Quote: potroshenko
          Is there some kind of automatic attack signal transmission system? And how does it work?

          There is no such system. On civilian liners there are transponders, on combat aircraft of the "friend or foe" state recognition system. In addition, when flying around the American destroyer Su-24M, coastal radars were probably conducted.
      2. vvv-73
        vvv-73 10 May 2016 11: 54
        +4
        Well, Turkey had a military problem - they no longer fly to Syria and their capabilities there have fallen dramatically.
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      4. alexej123
        alexej123 10 May 2016 15: 49
        0
        No dear. In the modern world, everything is very closely intertwined - politics, economics, issues of war and peace, sports, and even issues of sexual minorities. Remember the eve of the Sochi Olympics. It's just that some countries have a diverse set of instruments of influence, while others have poorer ones. Someone applies a wide range of measures, someone "poor".
  • Bosk
    Bosk 10 May 2016 07: 24
    +22
    The fact that the Phalangs can shoot down is really so, but the "trouble" is that in a combat situation the planes do not fly at a distance of actual fire of this weapon, in the case of "Cook" it was a demonstration and judging by the screams and screams, it was quite successful.
    1. dark_flame
      dark_flame 10 May 2016 09: 14
      +1
      Demonstration of what? If the Americans did not want to let the "dryers" approach them, they would not let them in, but this is an ideal situation for them. Congress will allocate $ 100500 million to create super protection for their ships against the "evil Russians" who will be successful.
  • navy33
    navy33 10 May 2016 07: 34
    +5
    After the fight, they don’t wave their fists, heh heh heh ...
  • Samy
    Samy 10 May 2016 07: 40
    +11
    Our people fly because they know they won't shoot down. They don't really care because they know that the Russians won't shoot. Well, yes, they came here, but in neutral waters ... so what? Well, children from the Internet have fun "27 people have written off from" Cook "!" ... "mattress covers are ... Kindergarten, by God.
  • insular
    insular 10 May 2016 07: 43
    +3
    So it didn’t bring down that?
    Probably for the reason why the SU flew without weapons at such a distance from Cook?
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 10 May 2016 09: 35
      0
      Quote: insular
      So it didn’t bring down that?
      Probably for the reason why the SU flew without weapons at such a distance from Cook?

      Where did you get information about unarmed planes flying over American ships. You carefully look at the photos of these Dryers, something is missing under their wings, right? wassat
      1. spravochnik
        spravochnik 10 May 2016 09: 50
        +2
        Quote: razmik72

        Where did you get information about unarmed planes flying over American ships. You carefully look at the photos of these Dryers, something is missing under their wings, right? wassat

        Generally, the "Sushki" under the wings of the PTB.
      2. gamer
        gamer 10 May 2016 09: 56
        +1
        If something is hanging tanks! hi
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 10 May 2016 10: 07
          -5
          Quote: igorek
          If something is hanging tanks! hi

          The suspension tanks clearly show stabilizers, why put them on the hanging tanks?
          1. spravochnik
            spravochnik 10 May 2016 10: 11
            +2
            Quote: razmik72
            Quote: igorek
            If something is hanging tanks! hi

            The suspension tanks clearly show stabilizers, why put them on the hanging tanks?


            Have you ever seen a PTB ever?
          2. Forest
            Forest 10 May 2016 10: 11
            +2
            For the best aerodynamics and stabilization of a weighted aircraft in flight. Just drive in the search engine Su-24 PTB.
            1. razmik72
              razmik72 10 May 2016 10: 37
              0
              Quote: Forest
              For the best aerodynamics and stabilization of a weighted aircraft in flight. Just drive in the search engine Su-24 PTB.

              Sorry, I haven’t seen the outboard tanks, I admit my mistake, and I have never flown by plane, only once in my childhood on a "maize", after this flight on the plane I no longer have a foot, all was vomited by neighboring passengersalthough black bags were handed out to everyone before the flight.
          3. Bongo
            Bongo 10 May 2016 11: 01
            +2
            Quote: razmik72
            The suspension tanks clearly show stabilizers, why put them on the hanging tanks?

            Why so persistently demonstrate their ignorance? what

            1. razmik72
              razmik72 10 May 2016 11: 46
              +1
              Quote: Bongo
              Quote: razmik72
              The suspension tanks clearly show stabilizers, why put them on the hanging tanks?

              Why so persistently demonstrate their ignorance? what


              And I'm just wondering.
  • Nick888
    Nick888 10 May 2016 07: 59
    0
    Naive, they did not think that we also have our own "answer" in the form of a bastion to this answer.
  • Svetovod
    Svetovod 10 May 2016 08: 00
    0
    The control of the multi-barreled gun does not seem to be manual, and if the radio electronics were jammed, then how will their Vulcan be guided? There is also an electric drive of tens of kW. Maybe something didn't work there either?
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 10 May 2016 08: 49
      +2
      Quote: Svetovod
      The control of the multi-barreled gun does not seem to be manual, and if the radio electronics were jammed, then how will their Vulcan be guided? There is also an electric drive of tens of kW. Maybe something didn't work there either?


      If you look at the photos of the latest Phalanxes (starting with the 2010 year), then they are equipped with two additional guidance channels - optoelectronic and infrared.
      So, if desired, they have both noise immunity and manual control ...
    2. Forest
      Forest 10 May 2016 09: 32
      0
      An onboard destroyer network can power a small city.
  • godofwar6699
    godofwar6699 10 May 2016 08: 24
    -1
    Quote: Wedmak


    In general, a toy from the shore could fly to try to shoot down our plane.


    people on the ship are not stupid to start a demo flight
  • Doomph
    Doomph 10 May 2016 08: 27
    0
    Here is our asymmetric response to the amers: two obsolete bombers flying near the destroyer raised a sea wave, which caused hysteria in the Amer mass media and among politicians. And if the Su-34 flashes on the horizon? ...
  • Belimbai
    Belimbai 10 May 2016 08: 32
    +2
    And that someone doubted? We all know about their system .... and we have about the same. They, what they thought Drying them from a cannon will shoot .... why this, excuse me, militant chatter? In reality, she most likely will not participate in this ...
  • godofwar6699
    godofwar6699 10 May 2016 08: 56
    0
    Quote: Leto
    Quote: AYUJAK
    After all, the ship may stall for some unknown reason.

    What? Again Khibiny?

    how did Russia live without them?
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 10 May 2016 09: 03
    +2
    Statements of mattresses from the category of films about Rambo. "We can kick ass to these insolent Russians, but ... they can drown us too, and this is no longer according to the scenario of an action movie, because we are good guys" But for some reason these brave sailors are modestly silent, where was Cook when the Russian bombers flew over him.
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 10 May 2016 09: 04
    -2
    Successful hit of one torpedo, and where is the cook? Clogs the bottom of the Baltic.
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts 10 May 2016 09: 07
    0
    "R2D2" is a serious thing, can answer. The point is not that they can answer and will be serious. The point is, drying won't take that much risk.
    Drying will work on finishing, after a volley of coastal batteries.
    1. qwert
      qwert 10 May 2016 09: 39
      +1
      Quote: ImPerts
      "R2D2" is a serious thing, can answer. The point is not that they can answer and will be serious.

      Serious, but out of its caliber in 20-mm, it has a very, very small effective firing range. Well, if of course the Su-24 decides to bomb from a low altitude or cannon handle the destroyer (well, purely a fool) then yes, you can shoot down Vulcan as well. And if at least S-24 or S-13 NARS, then Vulcan will have to shoot down only cheap NARS, and reach Drying - his hands will be short. Drying more air defense systems need to be afraid. The first link of anti-radar missiles should be launched, the second anti-puncture. And at a distance of 100 km from the ship, a U-turn for the return trip.
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 10 May 2016 10: 39
        0
        Colleague laughing
        Quote: qwert
        Serious, but out of its caliber in 20-mm, it has a very, very small effective firing range. Well, if of course the Su-24 decides to bomb from a low altitude or cannon handle the destroyer (well, purely a fool) then yes, you can shoot down Vulcan as well.

        Quote: ImPerts
        The point is that drying will not take that risk.

        We both agree that the SU-24 will not fly at a distance of an effective salvo smile
        Quote: qwert
        Drying more air defense systems need to be afraid. The first link of anti-radar missiles should be launched, the second anti-puncture. And at a distance of 100 km from the ship, a U-turn for the return trip.

        Quote: ImPerts
        Drying will work on finishing, after a volley of coastal batteries.

        The fact that our pilots flew 10 meters from the destroyer does not say that in real combat conditions they will start with such a maneuver, here I absolutely agree with you drinks
  • AFG-X
    AFG-X 10 May 2016 09: 17
    0
    And we have nearby the Bastions on the shore, and in the sea nearby Ships and submarines with missiles Caliber.
    Feel the difference. angry
  • uskrabut
    uskrabut 10 May 2016 09: 18
    +1
    Theoretically, this crap should be able to shoot down planes. But whether they even have time to uncover it, I’m not talking about shooting, let alone getting into something. The flight of our dryers for the crew was a clear surprise.
    1. godofwar6699
      godofwar6699 10 May 2016 09: 55
      -4
      don't worry works
      1. spravochnik
        spravochnik 10 May 2016 10: 10
        -2
        Yes, this is generally something you should worry about - your system.
  • Nubia2
    Nubia2 10 May 2016 09: 39
    +2
    So what? the presence of weapons is one thing, and the willingness to use them is another.
    Yes, and the same phalanxes are cut off during such circuits.
    ...
    By the way, the photo of the Phalanxes shooting into the void should cheer up?))
  • The point
    The point 10 May 2016 10: 37
    -2
    They have already answered once by resignation.
  • nemo9
    nemo9 10 May 2016 11: 12
    0
    Fight PEOPLE !!!
  • volodya
    volodya 10 May 2016 11: 13
    +3
    Again "Donald Cook" was offended. What are you doing thousands of kilometers from America and near our borders?
  • Buck
    Buck 10 May 2016 12: 12
    +2
    Exchange the plane for the destroyer. Well, tough, tough.
  • Karah
    Karah 10 May 2016 12: 50
    -1
    Is there anything to kick your ass with? :)
    "stupid people, bl ... be!" (C)
    If our bombers set a combat mission to destroy the enemy, the Americans would not even see them from their box ...
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 10 May 2016 12: 52
      +4
      Quote: Karah
      Is there anything to kick your ass with? :)
      "stupid people, bl ... be!" (C)
      If our bombers set a combat mission to destroy the enemy, the Americans would not even see them from their box ...

      I apologize, please tell me an ignoramus, and what kind of weapon of the Su-24M besides the freely falling bombs, NAR and guns would be used against the American Aegis destroyer? So I understand that there are no other arguments besides the minuses? negative
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 10 May 2016 12: 59
    0
    From the point of view of the theory of relativity, one can make claims against Cook. That the ship sailed very close to the SU-24 flight path. Express concern and note in NATO.
    As a former radio operator gunner, I want to add that it is not so easy to shoot down without hardware aiming (handles), despite the rate of fire. Angular speeds, excess, pressure, wind, ship is moving ................ This is a huge experience + have a taste. Practically shoot "white light" where, in theory, a target could appear. Barrage fire can be effective, but with modern rates of fire, ammunition will last for several tens of seconds. And photos of the past. We flew !!! click.
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 10 May 2016 13: 28
      +3
      Quote: Bort Radist

      Practically shoot "white light" where, theoretically, a target could appear.


      You carefully watched saw a flyby?
      There, the Americans took so many seconds to shoot their hand-held camera exactly the sector from which the plane eventually appeared.
      And besides, all of them had to go out "into the fresh air" - at the same time. It was evident from the recording that everyone was "waiting" for more than one second. No one is in a hurry, no one runs out.
      Although the videos in 20-30 seconds - but it is clear that they are cropped.
      So the guaranteed minimum time from the moment of detection is 100% over 30 seconds.
      And I think that it was actually measured in minutes. because you need to get the bearing and range, take the camera in your hands, turn it on. Get on board.

      So there’s no particular fear - they don’t have
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 10 May 2016 16: 34
        -2
        Quote: mav1971
        There, the Americans took so many seconds to shoot their hand-held camera exactly the sector from which the plane eventually appeared.

        I did not write about fear. Do not tell the focal length of the video camera. Again, aiming through the sight is very difficult to catch and escort a high-speed target. When moving in dashes, you have 3-4 seconds, during this time it is almost impossible to catch a running figure on the fly. Even with an aiming bar on "P" and a distance of up to 100 m. Of course you won't miss at close range, but this is tantamount to suicide. This is what our valiant pilots use. If, at a distance of 1 km, you get into an aircraft going to the ship, then in a couple of seconds 90% of you will get all this mass on board. The sailors understand this too.
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 10 May 2016 21: 44
          +2
          Quote: Bort Radist
          Of course you can’t miss the point blank, but this is tantamount to suicide. This is what our valiant pilots take advantage of. If at a distance of 1 km you get into a plane going to a ship, then in a couple of seconds 90% you will get all this mass on board. The sailors also understand this.


          I'm probably tongue-tied.
          It’s just from the time stamps and the behavior in the frame that the Americans drove our plane for several minutes at least. and I think. that still there were a lot of minutes - probably 15-20. Not less.
          They led steadily on radars, which shows the exact positioning of the hand camera.
          No suddenness.
          No surprise - no defeat.
          no danger.
          At least fly around.
          1. Bort radist
            Bort radist 11 May 2016 12: 04
            0
            Quote: mav1971
            They led steadily on radars, which shows the exact positioning of the hand camera.
            No suddenness.
            And besides your opinion, do you hear something?
            Can we argue about different things? I talked about the fact that without a radar, manually controlled to shoot down a flying target is very, very difficult. Even knowing the sector from where this goal will appear. Example Tank Biathlon. From a place, on a motionless target with NSVT-12,7, or did Kord hit a lot? I shot from air guns at air targets, and you?
    2. DenZ
      DenZ 10 May 2016 21: 25
      +1
      Quote: Bort Radist
      And photos of past times. They flew !!! click on.

      Japanese during WW2. Torpedo bombers Mitsubishi G-4M "Betty" The photo is apparently American.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 May 2016 13: 01
    -3
    The Su-24 has the same GS-6-23 gun and a radar for guidance.
    1. If the link will fly with weapons, then after the attack of one Su-24, the second will put the anti-ship missiles on board the destroyer or report to the coastal complex with Onyxes.
    2. If Cook will attack the link, then it will reach Phalanx when he will shoot the approaching RCC (in the amount of 2-4 pieces)
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 10 May 2016 13: 04
      +4
      Quote: Zaurbek
      If the link will fly with weapons, then after the attack of one Su-24, the second will put anti-ship missiles on board the destroyer

      Which RCC? No. Maybe it's enough to throw hats already? I am reporting specifically for those suffering from a disease called "hurray-patriotism": anti-ship missiles are not included in the armament of the front-line bomber Su-24M.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 10 May 2016 14: 00
        -1
        Su 24, as I understand it, from the Navy. What do you think they should have in service? Or in the 21 century should they attack with bombs?
        Air-to-surface missile and bomb weapons:
        Su-24 - X-23 / X-23M missiles (up to 4 on the underwing suspension units) with radio command guidance systems or 2 can be used on the aircraft. X-28 and X-58 radar with passive
        GOS; due to the small range of radar frequencies captured by X-28 missiles and carrier aircraft equipment, the following practice existed on the first Su-24 series - the Su-24 squadron (usually 12 aircraft) covered all frequency ranges of the alleged enemy air defense radar;



        Su-24M - guided missiles such as Kh-23, Kh-25, Kh-29 are used (4 missiles of the Kh-23 / Kh-25 type under the wing or 3 types of Kh-29 - two under the wing and one under the fuselage) with all types guidance systems, anti-radar missiles such as Kh-28, Kh-58 / Kh-58U (with the installation of a container with guidance equipment LO-81 "Phantasmagoria"), missiles Kh-59 with the installation of a container with equipment APK-9, [b] X- 31P or Kh-31A (all types of missiles starting from Kh-28 - up to 2 pieces on the inner underwing hardpoints)
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 10 May 2016 14: 24
          +3
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Su 24, as I understand it, from the Navy. What do you think they should have in service? Or in the 21 century should they attack with bombs?

          These are planes of the 4-th separate guards naval cap from Chernyakhovsk. Let's just say that they are not too new and not modernized.

          I will not quote what you wrote about the composition of the weapons. But apparently, let's just say - "you are not in the subject." Attacking the Aegis destroyer UR X-25, X-29 and X-59 is absolutely self-destructive. Regarding the X-31 - these are your fantasies, planes from Chernyakhovsk cannot carry them. The Kh-23 and Kh-28 were decommissioned more than 20 years ago.
          Quote: Zaurbek
          I also want to note that anti-radar missiles can also be successfully used against ships.

          Perhaps you are informed more than mine request I do not know anything about the possibility of using the X-58 against the AN / SPY-1 radar. I would be very grateful if you share the documented facts.
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      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 10 May 2016 14: 03
        -1
        I also want to note that anti-radar missiles can also be successfully used against ships.
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 10 May 2016 21: 46
          +1
          Quote: Zaurbek
          I also want to note that anti-radar missiles can also be successfully used against ships.


          About the frequency range of the Aegis, what shall we do?
          Already solved the problem?
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      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 10 May 2016 14: 03
        +6
        Yes, pride is a sin, and also a sin - to desire death hi
        Is not it hi
        Do not wish another Death
        Do not wish another grief.
        Let fate outline itself
        The edge of the land, the edge of the sea.
        Do not make riddles
        If in spirit you are like a prisoner.
        Let fate play hide and seek
        Hiding life at the bottom of the universe.
        Don't hope in vain
        In a stupid argument for victory ... hi
  • Andrey K
    Andrey K 10 May 2016 13: 26
    +5
    Immediately see a specialist laughing
    Are you a specialist in the field of aviation, navy or propaganda? request
    Please be so kind as to explain what it means:"Well, in fact, this is the answer why the Su-24 flew around an American ship so dashingly .." hi
    Is it something that quickly flew over the ship or that did not approach it at all? hi
    And if you would be so kind, please give at least a tip for the presence of information that the Russian planes were afraid to approach and "flew" the "Cook" hi
    "As if the case of a fight and destruction of Su by the Turks was in reality. And how many miles the Turkish F-16 did not go / did not fly."
    But nothing that the Turks shot down our Su without leaving national territory? Do you propose declaring war on Turkey? I am for good Are you going to fight the Turks with me? Or "sofa" will not let go?
    Have you seen the map of the Baltic Sea? Cook's location?
    "In general, you should probably have given a" warning "after .."
    Kind soul you little man, I probably feel sorry for the sailors from "Cook", we decided to cheer them up lol
  • vvp2412
    vvp2412 10 May 2016 13: 33
    -3
    the question is how to shoot from the phalanx when all systems will be cut down, as in the 2014 year !?
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 May 2016 14: 07
    -2
    Phalanx is a fairly simple system analogous to our "shilka" schematically. It is hard to jam with interference. The radar is not as powerful and highly targeted. And besides, there must be an optical sighting device for target acquisition.
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 10 May 2016 14: 28
    +2
    The American Navy has something to kick the Russian ass,

    Nu-nu, how many times did the British sheep breeders come (or send) a Russian sheep to mow. As a result, they themselves returned shaved, more precisely trimmed, and they still scream the loudest goat (A. Hitler) who raised the fie. You won, well after they brought up !!! And these barbarians from the USSR / RI / RF ... laughing Just trampled this scum, and still show that these heels they still trample reptiles are suitable ...
  • forest park 86
    forest park 86 10 May 2016 15: 49
    -1
    Yeah, the mattresses are late!
  • _my opinion
    _my opinion 10 May 2016 16: 09
    +1
    The American fleet has the answer to the Russians flying near its ships.

    So after all, Russia has something to answer to the ships of the Americans and their henchmen, roaming near its borders ...
  • Samoyed
    Samoyed 10 May 2016 16: 15
    +1
    The article is stupid. Appeared off the coast of a country that you yourself call your enemy, so you will not be met by cookies. Hypocritical clowns, fed up with their democratic lies and hapany.
  • drilled
    drilled 10 May 2016 16: 48
    0
    ))) Cry. When you are truly attacked, your Volcanoes will be useless.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAirke5O0DQ
  • Kenneth
    Kenneth 10 May 2016 22: 18
    +1
    And Americans like that are virgin. One friend told me how, even under the USSR, in the Mediterranean Sea they mocked their BPC. there they even tried to hang on the harier over the pipe, which did not add health to the crew.
  • RedBaron
    RedBaron 11 May 2016 04: 22
    0
    Quote: Bongo
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Su 24, as I understand it, from the Navy. What do you think they should have in service? Or in the 21 century should they attack with bombs?

    These are planes of the 4-th separate guards naval cap from Chernyakhovsk. Let's just say that they are not too new and not modernized.

    I will not quote what you wrote about the composition of the weapons. But apparently, let's just say - "you are not in the subject." Attacking the Aegis destroyer UR X-25, X-29 and X-59 is absolutely self-destructive. Regarding the X-31 - these are your fantasies, planes from Chernyakhovsk cannot carry them. The Kh-23 and Kh-28 were decommissioned more than 20 years ago.
    Quote: Zaurbek
    I also want to note that anti-radar missiles can also be successfully used against ships.

    Perhaps you are informed more than mine request I do not know anything about the possibility of using the X-58 against the AN / SPY-1 radar. I would be very grateful if you share the documented facts.

    For every non-terrible post we will give REB and a ban! Uraaa laughing
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 11 May 2016 04: 28
      +1
      Quote: RedBaron
      For every non-terrible post we will give REB and a ban! Uraaa

      I don’t think so, of course the site administration is trying to maintain a patriotic image. But in general, the policy of admins is quite sane, if you do not slip into outright rudeness, then nobody will be banned.
  • major124
    major124 11 May 2016 06: 24
    +2
    But I didn’t understand what the author of the article wanted to say? What do the amers have Phalanxes? So this is not a secret ... What can they use them? Also, God knows what news ....
  • SergGrey318
    SergGrey318 11 May 2016 07: 52
    0
    You can puff up as much as you like. Of course, anything is possible. And dumping Dry is probably not the most difficult task. But, you must admit, a rather dubious adventure to use weapons against a combat, but unarmed aircraft of a probable enemy, being 70 miles from the coast of the country, this very probable enemy.
    Let them puff.

    And if the enemy decides, test our strength ...
  • Thompson
    Thompson 11 May 2016 15: 17
    +1
    The article is like baby talk from fright! In order to attack the ship, there is no need to fly up to it at arm's length !.