Another patrol ship for the FSB launched in St. Petersburg

The border guard patrol ship of the 22460 project (“Hunter”) has been launched at Shipbuilding Firm Almaz (St. Petersburg), the blog reports bmpd.

The ship's developer is OJSC “Northern PKB”.

“The construction of the Provorny is carried out by the Almaz Federal District under the two contracts concluded with the FSB of Russia in November 2013 for the construction of the next three border patrol ships of the 22460 project with 506, 507 and 508 serial numbers for the period to the end of the 2017 year,” says article.

In November, the 2014 of the FSB entered into another contract with Almaz for the construction of 3's additional ships of the same project with a deadline of completion before the end of 2018.

Earlier, Almaz had already built 5 patrol ships of the 22460 project. Head was transferred to the customer in 2010.

The construction of the Hunters is also carried out in Vladivostok at the Eastern Shipyard.

Total FSB contracted 14 units, and Agile became 8 ship of this type.

Comments

[avvg]

Everything is correct, as necessary, everything needs to be updated, our water border should be locked.

[lelikas]

It’s interesting, but can you sell to border guards, MTU diesel engines?

[donavi49]

No, MTU is over. 506 (Agile) received a diesel engine from DEUTZ ENGINE CO LTD (Dalian). Similar will go to the 22460 DV.

[lelikas]

Clearly understood . Thank .

[Wiruz]

Anyway, there is a "smart guy" who will say something like "Fu, garbage, could stick a couple of Calibers, to the joy of mattresses"

I personally don’t understand why the X-35 surrendered there? Although, they, they say, do not put

[sub307]

Wiruz: "... bullshit, we could stick a couple of Calibers, to the joy of mattresses."
If we consider that it is possible to place Uranium anti-ship missile launchers and A-220M artillery mounts, then it will turn out to be quite an honest ship. And if it is possible to insert "Uranus", then, teritically, "Caliber" can be adapted.

[alexmach]

And if it is possible to insert "Uranus", then, teritically, "Caliber" can be adapted.

In fact, it’s 4 times bigger than your Caliber.

[alexmach]

I personally don’t understand why the X-35 surrendered there? Although, they, they say, do not put

Type in wartime they are quickly converted into corvettes for the near sea zone. They don’t put it, only they reserved a place.

[vlad_vlad]

Quote: donavi49

No, MTU is over. 506 (Agile) received a diesel engine from DEUTZ ENGINE CO LTD (Dalian). Similar will go to the 22460 DV.

all right, german diesel engines are the best diesel engines
and they are from MTU or DEUTZ - it doesn't matter. although of course the Chinese version can be "improved" ...

[Duke]

Patrol ships of the 22460 project, design code “Hunter” - type of diesel border (patrol) patrol ships of the territorial sea of ​​the second rank. It can be attributed to small corvettes.
PSKR of the 22460 project are intended for the protection of the state border, territorial waters, the continental shelf, for emergency rescue operations, as well as for environmental monitoring and liquidation of the consequences of natural disasters. Along with border protection, ships of this class may include operations to combat terrorism and maritime piracy.
The outer contours of the ship are designed using elements of stealth technology. The vessel corresponds to the class RRR of the Russian Federation “About 2.0” (ice 20 cm). On board the ship is the landing pad for a Ka-226 / Ansat or helicopter Gorizont G-Air S-100 UAV. A shelter can be equipped for the helicopter. In the stern of the vessel there is a slip for launching a rigidly-inflatable type speedboat or other equipment. PSKR project 22460 equipped with desalination plant. To improve habitability there is a sauna and a minipool.
The 22460 project watchdog differs from its predecessors not so much in armaments as in shipbuilding qualities. Thus, the ship will be able to serve in case of sea waves in 6 points, while freely maneuvering. The guard has a new hull shape, increased seaworthiness. Speed ​​in calm water - 30 knots.
Main characteristics
630 ton displacement (standard)
62,5 m length (longest)
Width 12 m (largest)
Engines Diesel engines MTU 16V4000M73L
Speed ​​to 30 nodes (maximum)
21 Knot (cruising)
12 Knots (Economic)
Cruising Range 3500 Miles
The autonomy of swimming 60 day
Crew 24 rights
weaponry
Navigation weapons "Trims"
Anti-aircraft artillery 1×6-30mm AU AK-630,
2 12,7mm machine gun Cord
Aviation group 1 helicopter, folding deck hangar-shelter.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

I wonder ... why is the project 22460-ship (with a length of 62m) and "EKLIPS" by Abramovich, with a destroyer length of 162m-yacht? weapons are available here and there, and it is unclear who is cooler. That is, if it is private, then a yacht, and if it is a state ship? I'm sorry for the country ...

[lexx2038]

This is certainly good, but I would like it to be bigger, more monumental, such that if it was in which water area, the rest would quickly merge from there. As they say, to demonstrate the flag.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: lexx2038

This is certainly good, but I would like that be bigger, more monumental,

A pair of Uranus-U missiles would not be out of place (by the way, according to Wikipedia, there is the possibility of installing Uranus, but for some reason they order without missiles) ...

[DMB_95]

Yes, the FSB could order something more powerful.

[Wiruz]

Yes, the FSB could order something more powerful.

Let me ask you what is "more powerful"? And for what? Or do we have the FSB duplicating the tasks of the Navy?
Personally, I see only one minus in the ship. More precisely, not a minus, but ... well, in general, a speed of 30 knots may not be enough. And so all the rules!

[cayman gene]

Quote: Wiruz

Let me ask you what is "more powerful"? And for what? Or do we have the FSB duplicating the tasks of the Navy?
Personally, I see only one minus in the ship. More precisely, not a minus, but ... well, in general, a speed of 30 knots may not be enough. And so all the rules!

with a helicopter on board it may turn out to be excessive; a cucumber from ak-630 will catch up to the far-off. or, do you think that VKS aviation will not be raised by a sneeze of border guards?

[The Little Humpbacked Horse]

Quote: Wiruz

Personally, I see only one minus in the ship. More precisely, not a minus, but ... well, in general, a speed of 30 knots may not be enough. And so all the rules!

So in your USA, too, are not very fast boats in costard

[Wiruz]

So in your USA, too, are not very fast boats in costard

"We" is in Kazakhstan. It's time to already know, colleague, that the flags on this site are selected by the server depending on the weather on Mars. If you believe them, then "we" was already in Romania, and in Moldova, and in Venezuela, and in Ukraine, and in Russia ...

[alexmach]

Well traveled !!
Determination of geolocation by IP address. Works generally "by eye"

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Wiruz

Or does the FSB duplicate the tasks of the Navy?

In Soviet times, there were border squads of ships under the command of the KGB, and they had significantly more powerful weapons.

[avt]

Quote: DMB_95

Yes, the FSB could order something more powerful.

Seeker let him find it.

Quote: donavi49

The bigger one will be the North Star.

Quote: KnightRider

Larger is the project 22100 Ocean.

[Mih]

So it causes me a slight bewilderment - they could have been a little more powerful though.

[alexmach]

A pair of Uranus-U missiles would not be out of place (by the way, according to Wikipedia, there is the possibility of installing Uranus, but for some reason they order without missiles) ...

Because for border guards and not for the Navy. They probably shouldn't. Recently, it was about the Japanese Navy and other forces. So they have border ships, they have 8-9 thousand tons, with 2 helicopter hangars, but practically without weapons ... so far without weapons ...

[g1v2]

Larger and more monumental is it that no one missed such a bandura? 30 frigates stand as one aircraft carrier, and bring many times more benefits. We’ll hold off with gigantomania until there is no extra money. So far, it is necessary to build workhorses that will drag the service.
By the way, have you forgotten how Japanese poachers all the 90s in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk felt like kings? And now something has not been heard about them for a long time. These are the FSB boats that explain to them where they can fish, and where our cow and we milk it.

[donavi49]

What for? This is PSKR. The bigger one will be the North Star.

[The Little Humpbacked Horse]

Quote: donavi49

What for? This is PSKR. The bigger one will be the North Star.

You don’t know why to breed this zoo from different types of boats, it’s terribly expensive and inconvenient. At one time we bought two types of ships from MMP from us, German and Finnish. So even crews worked there, only on their type of ships, again it’s easier Spare parts to order and use operating experience

[DMB_95]

Each type of "boat" has its own tasks. And buying foreign ones is undesirable for many reasons. And they won't sell us. Remember "Mistral", God forgive me.

[Knight Rider]

Quote: lexx2038

This is certainly good, but I would like that be bigger, more monumental,

Larger is the project 22100 Ocean.

[Igor V]

Quote: lexx2038

This is certainly good, but I would like it to be bigger, more monumental, such that if it was in which water area, the rest would quickly merge from there. As they say, to demonstrate the flag.

And then who will protect their water area?

[iliitchitch]

Pilots and engineers with a stable vestibular apparatus are hired as astronauts. It would not hurt to take servicemen from such ships, if you have knowledge, of course. On the ocean wave and near the shore ... "Sailor's walk" is provided. Seven feet guys.

[4ekist]

And where will his place of permanent deployment be?

[VALERIK_097]

4ekist (1) RU Today, 14:04
For what purpose, are you interested, comrade))))). Chekist!?

[svp67]

Beautiful toothy boat, that's just why the artillery mount is gray, not the color of the ship?

[Mountain shooter]

Such a normal boat. Only diesel engines from German to Chinese will be transferred, apparently. How do Germans generally put up with such mockery? American interests are costing them dearly. I hope that there is something heavy provided for in case of "inappropriate behavior" of our "colleagues".

[donavi49]

So the new diesel engines are German (DEUTZ), only in a Chinese factory made in Dalian.

[Pitot]

I just do not understand what for Merikanovskaya coloring by the ship? Are there anything under them?

[lelikas]

Quote: Pitot

I just do not understand what for Merikanovskaya coloring by the ship? Are there anything under them?

Has long been . From the beginning, there was just a chevron from tricolor, then, they already made a standard color.

[donavi49]

This is international. If there is no contrasting oblique strip on board and clearly distinguishable inscription Coast Guard - then you can turn on the fool and run away. And then win the trial, as the Coast Guard ship did not identify itself according to the rules.

[dr.star75]

"the clearly distinguishable Coast Guard inscription - then you can turn on the fool and run away" -
If our border guards violate every intruder, then the last sailor whose schooner has invaded the territorial waters of Russia will know not only the stripes on the patrol boat, but also the distance from which they can be observed!

[4ekist]

I like the color. Well, do not decorate it with green paint.

[33 Watcher]

Quote: Pitot

I just do not understand what for Merikanovskaya coloring by the ship? Are there anything under them?

This is the coast guard, like traffic cops with a blue stripe and flasher. And are the Americans here?

[Knight Rider]

Quote: Pitot

I just do not understand what for Merikanovskaya coloring by the ship? Are there anything under them?

Where?

[cap]

Seven feet under the keel.

[lukke]

we are waiting for another 6. In general, the question is interesting - there are only 14 boats, plus other classes already available. How much more do you need? (at least in percentage terms). The length of the sea border of Russia CSO-GO. Are we all right?

[Spartanez300]

PSKR project 22460 is intended for the protection of the state border, territorial waters, the continental shelf, for emergency rescue operations, as well as for the implementation of environmental control and liquidation of natural disasters. Along with border protection, the task of ships of this class may include operations to combat terrorism and maritime piracy. Of these, four on the Black Sea and the Sea of ​​Azov are already in service, and ships in general are handsome.

[Donlomakin]

It’s a pity that we did not write the characteristics of these boats

[Spartanez300]

The main characteristics of the ship project 22460: Displacement standard 630 tons. The greatest length is 62,5 meters, the greatest width is 12 meters. Maximum speed up to 30 knots, cruising 21 knots, economic 12 knots. Cruising range 3500 miles at 12 knots. Autonomy of swimming is 60 days. The crew is 24 people.

Engines: Diesel engines.

Armament:

Artillery: 1 × 30 mm AK-630 AU, 2 × 12,7 mm Kord machine gun.

Missile weapons: Possibility of installing Uran-U anti-ship missiles, with the Kh-35U missile (up to 260 km).

Aviation group: 1 helicopter Ka-226 or UAV Gorizont G-Air S-100, folding deck shelter hangar.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Spartanez300

Artillery: 1 × 30 mm AU AK-630

Correction:

AK-630 - 30-mm six-barreled automatic naval artillery installation. In the name "6" means 6 trunks, 30 - caliber

It is written, respectively, 1 x 6-30 mm

Rate of fire, rounds per minute: 4000-5000

In general, not simple such 30 mm

[corporal]

Quote: Cat Man Null

It is written, respectively, 1 x 6-30 mm

Either the AK-630, or GSh-6-30K

[avg-mgn]

Quote: 4ekist

And where will his place of permanent deployment be?

You car keys accidentally not needed?
Contact if necessary, we will help: fsb.ru
Always ready to help those interested.

[givigor71]

The soul rejoices at such news - new ships, new missile systems, new planes ...

[Anchonsha]

Toothy however a ship in armament and handsome

[Yak28]

Quote: Talker

And for what tasks does the FSB need these ships?

And this would be to protect the yachts of our rich from the people

[avg-mgn]

Quote: Yak28

Quote: Talker

And for what tasks does the FSB need these ships?

And this would be to protect the yachts of our rich from the people

Are you on KVN or on the VO website? Consider your joke failed.

[Yak28]

This is a given, jokes will come later

[avg-mgn]

Quote: Yak28

This is a given, jokes will come later

I see no reason to engage in polemics with you. Stay with yourself, good luck.

[swetlana1]

I am also glad that they lowered a new ship for the FS FSB!
At the forum, we do not decide anything - we just discuss. This topic is all "Approved"
I noted one peculiarity: in three articles before this, "spears were broken" about the insufficient number of ships in the Navy - as if it were written by other people ..
There were articles on missile defense and ICBMs. You wrote about possible scenarios for the start of hostilities and again "broke spears" ..
There were articles about building industry in Russia and a lack of finance for the development of the Armed Forces and the Navy in particular .. Maybe other people wrote this?
And I'll tell you boys "wild" thing (and minus pliz = anyway, in three days I’ll leave you))) at least I will know that you don’t know how to think ..................
What is the task of these Border Guard ships? Many people know this or can find it on the Internet: "PSKR project 22460 is designed to protect the state border, territorial waters, the continental shelf, to carry out emergency rescue operations, as well as to carry out environmental control and eliminate the consequences of natural disasters. Along with border protection, the task ships of this class may include operations to combat terrorism and maritime piracy. "
Who defined the task for the ships of this (and some other types of Border Guard)? And the Customer determined when writing the technical specifications for the development. And who is the customer - and this is the FSB Marine Border Guard.
And how many of these boats will be built? The total number of ships in the series is expected to be about 30 pieces.
And after all this information, no one will say anything and not be outraged? Everything is great? Ok, I will continue ..
As of 22.0641, there were 11 patrol ships, 394 patrol boats, and other trifles in the Marine Border Guard. The most important thing is that patrol ships (on the theater where they began to conduct military operations) after the outbreak of war, some began to be used to combat Hitler's submarines, others (obsolete) as gunboats. Among the boats, a large number were of the type MO-4 (sea hunter) and they began to guard the water area from enemy submarines and perform other tasks (after all, 4 anti-aircraft points were very good for a sea boat at that time and it could protect itself).
And what is the prospect of this project if it is actively preparing for war and armed provocations? Maybe he can look for submarines, defend himself against an attack by an armed ship with artillery over 50 mm? Or just shoot down an enemy PLO plane at an altitude of 4-5km?
Unfortunately no - this is a highly specialized ship.
In the event of war (or armed conflict) - there’s not much use for it ... Are we such a rich country that we can spend considerable money on highly specialized ships?
It’s not economic ...

[kepmor]

Dear Svetlana! You, purely feminine and very pragmatic, "stripped down to dust" the entire mediocre concept of building these "useless scows" for border guards!
In the USSR, all border ships - projects 205 P, 1124 P and even 1135 P were adapted for warfare, like PLO or OVR ships. And in the "threatened period" they were transferred to the subordination of the fleet according to the mob.plan!
All "border guards" practiced a course of combat training in anti-aircraft defense, anti-aircraft defense, anti-aircraft defense, even in a simplified version!
You, dear, are absolutely right - the Soviet government considered its money well and was not scattered with it, not like the present! What kind of warship is this without a GAS, a radar and only one 30 mm "pshikalka"? What is the use of him in wartime? What real tasks will this naval "misunderstanding" fulfill in the conduct of hostilities?
All this is sad, since it is absolutely not far-sighted and from a military point of view is not economical ....
You personally big RESPECT !!!!

[Igor V]

Dear kepmor and svetlana1, answer my stupid question, please. But what, for some lost Polish seiner, or for a Swedish yacht with a drunk crew, should the border guards send a destroyer, or at worst a corvette? It seems to me that this is just inefficient spending.

[Shark Lover]

Strange reasoning. And, for example, do you know how to count your money? Can you? Then instead of a passenger car, buy yourself a KAMAZ at once, and why, in case of war, you will immediately bring ammunition to the front, why buy a convenient passenger car, economically? Or a tank, at worst. Remember the USSR (by no means hay), a simple example. For cleaning streets from snow, remember this monster? He had a bucket in the middle, which was driving and sweeping the floor of the street with snow, drove into the yard and swept everything together with the curb. Look at what kind of equipment the same Japanese have, even sand in the sandbox can sort it out, the Japanese also blurt it out from the inability to count money? A country that can afford to do and produce a certain product for certain tasks is worthy of respect. What can I say, look at our Lada, lineup and look at the lineups of Germans, Japanese, even China. Also, everyone does not know how to count money? Buy yourself some underpants for all occasions, a newspaper instead of toilet paper, your wife buy a sheepskin coat for the winter, it’s warm. Something like this))))

[avt]

Quote: swetlana1

at least I will know that you don’t know how to think ..................

Thinking is good.

Quote: swetlana1

What is the purpose of these Border Guard ships? Many people know this or can find it on the Internet:

And look there - autonomy?

Quote: kepmor

! You, purely feminine and very pragmatic, "stripped down to dust" the entire mediocre concept of building these "useless scows" for border guards!

In general, it was possible to practice .... but just to communicate with real people serving? Well, those who went to sea on old, Soviet projects?

Quote: kepmor

And in the "threatened period" they were transferred to the subordination of the fleet according to the mob.plan!
All "border guards" practiced a course of combat training in anti-aircraft defense, anti-aircraft defense, anti-aircraft defense, even in a simplified version!

Are you directly aware of what is now standing on these projects and why is there a reserved space? So by the photo you determine with a trained eye?

Quote: kepmor

What kind of warship is this without a GAS, a radar and only one 30 mm "pshikalka"?

With such abilities in the photo to determine the presence or absence of ..... Extasens-bred grandmas do not work for an hour? Well suckers on trust do not breed?

Quote: swetlana1

. The most important thing is that patrol ships (on the theater where they began to conduct military operations) after the outbreak of war, some began to be used to combat Hitler's submarines, others (obsolete) as gunboats.

Aha - gunboats on Ladoga what did they make of? Googling reluctance? Well, from what cargo scows.

Quote: swetlana1

. Among the boats, a large number were of the type MO-4 (sea hunter) and they began to guard the water area from enemy submarines and perform other tasks (after all, 4 anti-aircraft points were very good for a sea boat at that time and it could protect itself).

Of which two 45mm semiautomatic guns, in the course of what kind of guns were in the fleet ?? Again, ask, well, google and then think about it after receiving the information? Yes, it was then under German aviation to go to them - already a feat and immediately after the exit, "Courage" must be given. You can not believe me, believe General Major Kabanov, who defended Hanko and Rybachy. He once wrote in his memoirs that he was against FW- 190th - certain death.

[kepmor]

From 83 to 98, I personally did nothing but serve on the ships of the Northern Fleet, from the assistant commander of the IPC to the commander of a formation of PLO ships. Out of 15 years, only one year was "on the shore" - 6 ESSOs of the Navy, the rest 14 on iron ", even the headquarters of the formation was" running ", that is, based on ships!
So I know what I’m talking about!
And the border guards cooperated quite closely, since their main forces in the north were PSKR project 1124P and differed from the naval MPK 1124 only in that instead of the Osa air defense system, the border guards were equipped with an AK-726 and there were no torpedoes in the ammunition load. They received them only during the "threatened period."
And so it was normal warships with well-trained crews, with sufficient speed and decent seaworthiness, which is very important when patrolling, especially in the north and the Pacific Ocean! Try to chase offenders with excitement at least 4-5 points!

[avt]

Quote: kepmor

And the border guards cooperated quite closely, since their main forces in the north were PSKR project 1124P and differed from the naval MPK 1124 only in that instead of the Osa air defense system, the border guards were equipped with an AK-726 and there were no torpedoes in the ammunition load.

Then all the more it’s not clear

Quote: kepmor

, "stripped to pieces" the entire mediocre concept of building these "useless scows" for border guards!

Border guards build ships for specific tasks with improved habitability and increased autonomy, unlike the Fleet's naval staff, and they began to do this back in the USSR from the alteration of 1135 to 11351 and not from a good life that you beautifully painted with righteous anger about shalands. well, if you worked with border guards of the KGB of the USSR, then who will tell you what equipment the ship stands and for what tasks. In fact, the OVR ships, and not the near-field PLO. Five, they don’t need either 305mm or 406mm, Ak-306 for eyes, maximum - 76mm. Normal working horses in peacetime, and do not fall into insanity, fitting any watercraft of the adjacent department to their tasks, well, for which they taught.

Quote: kepmor

You, dear, are absolutely right - the Soviet government considered its money well and they did not scatter it, not the current couple!

They didn’t steal without shame and conscience - yes, it would be arguing that the swampy white-booroned marsh whose USSR had collapsed, but there was plenty of foolishness, both from valentism when making a decision and just for the sake of fulfilling the plan and not stopping production - THREE MBT in service at the same time, how is it? Thoroughly, in a businesslike way? Was everything even on the fleet? Duplicate types of weapons were not observed, well, on missile weapons at least? Somehow I heard quite abruptly on this topic from Eduard Baltin. So, why should you go into ecstasy and idealize without looking?

[kepmor]

Of course, Russia is such a rich country that "in the easy" can afford to build ships with a super narrow purpose! Something neither the states, nor the Chinese with the Japanese are building such "imperfections"! Don't believe me? Look at the TTD of their Bohr Ships and you will see for yourself what the difference is.
With project 22460, everything will be more than prosaic - even in Soviet times, the leadership of the maritime border units of the KGB of the USSR tried with every fiber of their souls to evade naval tasks - anti-aircraft defense, anti-aircraft defense, anti-aircraft defense, etc. business "with Trezor on the border" to catch violators! Only they themselves did not know where she - this border would pass!
And in peacetime, border guards were never involved in solving naval tasks! But my ships constantly "supported the pants" of them, and in 94-95-96, especially during myvennaya fishing season, even the "Green Rogers" was raised instead of the "Andreevsky".

[swetlana1]

Just a boy getting excited and considers himself right. And I’m ready to defend the correctness of the armament policy.
At present, there is an acute shortage of finances in the country (even the President admitted that our reserve funds will last for 2 years). At the same time, not a single ruble was withdrawn from the State Defense Order in terms of strategic nuclear forces. Therefore, it smells very smoke. Perhaps war is not far off ...
And we are talking about peacetime ships, which in military conflicts still have to guard the ships of the Navy or the Air Force. So we will agree on peacetime airplanes (strategic pilots cannot even lie down with a flight duration of more than 8-12 hours, and there are no urinals on the Su-24 and Su-25. )
According to the discussed project of the ship, of course, it is said about the modernization potential: replacing the 30mm with 57mm guns and installing the Uranus missile system. But again, we understand (must understand) that work of such a plan can be carried out with the construction of new ships of this project or with a major repair at a shipyard - and this is unlikely, again, in the absence of finances and a sufficiently long time for modernization. I think that helicopters are also supplied in the cheapest configuration for PLO missions. Unfortunately, neither the country's leadership, nor the Ministry of Defense is aware of this problem.
Thanks again, I realized that not a single one thought about this problem
Happy Victory Day, Formucans! Peace to our home !!!

[Cat man null]

Quote: swetlana1

Currently, there is an acute shortage of finances in the country (even The President acknowledged that our reserve funds will last for 2 years).

A link to a document where "recognized"- would you be so kind?

Quote: swetlana1

And we are talking about peacetime ships, which in military conflicts still have to guard the ships of the Navy or Air Force

And smart people answer you (it was higher .. but you don’t read it, campaign, just write):

Quote: avt

Again, well, if you worked with the border guards of the KGB of the USSR, then who will tell you what equipment the ship is and for what tasks. In fact, the OVR ships, and not the near-field PLO

Quote: swetlana1

neither the leadership of the country nor the Defense Ministry is aware of this problem

- how_ scary_to live_we_fse_mummer .. Svetlana, aren't you curious about what you write here?

Quote: swetlana1

I realized that about this problem no one thought

- masterpiece

Total:
- literacy ..
- attentiveness is below average (pay attention already to what avt writes)
- no analytical skills .. completely

My minus, call me ..

[Roxs]

The President admitted that our reserve funds will last for 2 years [/ b]).
I heard the same thing in Putin’s latest answers. Are you not listening (minus)

And you are answered by duck people (it was higher .. but you don’t read, campaign, just write). The clever man answered - this is the ship's commander and shipbuilder engineer. I tremble sofa ideologists for clever things I do not recognize (minus)

A link that the border guards do not say and how their ships (or privacy mode) differ from a warship (stupid. No link means Brehlo, again minus)

You did not listen to Putin’s speech, and there many problems came to him. This is not lit
Therefore - you do not have analytical skills. For comments minus
Svetlana, I'm sorry to answer for you

[Cat man null]

Quote: Roks

I heard the same thing in Putin’s latest answers. Are you not listening (minus)

You don’t understand the words, obviously .. I don’t know what "Putin's last answers" are. If that's what I was thinking, that's 3.5 hours of video.

Link, my dear, and the minute with which you need to listen .. or a link to the text, something like this

Quote: Roks

A smart person answered - this is the ship's commander and shipbuilder engineer

Oh how But does it happen, actually?

Quote: Roks

A link that the border guards do not say and how their ships (or privacy mode) differ from a warship (stupid. No link means Brehlo, again minus)

Bad troll. Fat

Quote: Roks

You did not listen to Putin’s speech, and there many problems came to him. This is not lit

- I listened to a speech
- if "there was a problem, but it was not covered" - where the hell was "not covered"? How do you know what "came through" if "did not light up"?

Quote: Roks

Therefore - you do not have analytical skills

Maybe .. but your speech is slurred (see above).

Quote: Roks

(minus) (minus) (brehlo) (minus) (minus)

Have fun thanks

[avt]

Quote: swetlana1

Just a boy getting excited and considers himself right.

Daddy, what about me? I didn’t want to, but today about the 22160 project, which in essence does not differ from the border schallands, except that the FSB officers ordered and received one 22100 so far, and then Chirkov struck as many as six and I will have more

Quote: kepmor

Of course, Russia is such a rich country that "in the easy" can afford to build ships with a super narrow purpose!

and about 22160

A good ship to replace the MPK 1124M - naval "workhorses"!
The long-awaited and very necessary class of ships for the fleet! You can't do without these "hard workers" in the Navy! The range of tasks performed is simply huge!

Somehow at your leisure, compare all three projects and feel the difference, then rub for "scows" together with

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kepmor

will

[RuSFr]

Dad, what about me?

Common words in WG schoolchildren’s speech - kid

[Viktr458]

Exactly shkolota

[avt]

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Exactly shkolota

Another freshly registered Easter egg "? Have you decided to fill the rating with monosyllabic comments? Well, this is not new, there have been such people here and not remember how many, try throwing more slogans, well, hurray for some reason, what

They have good cars. And the unification of the wheeled chassis carried out in the troops does not solve all the problems

, so you’ll collect a pretty penny rating - amuse yourself darling, but there is also a downside - you won’t get your mind.

[swetlana1]

I read 7 minutes of your last comments from your profile.
Links from the Internet and children's comments.
For example: "From Iran they already taught and commanded almost to Latakia ..." and other LABUDA
We should know (although little is written about this) that the Iranians were just learning Syrian special forces. Before Nezavisimaya Gazeta, only three special forces generals died in Syria.
There fought around the brigade of special forces (Iranian) and the same number of land explorers.
Ours connected later
So send comments more, but completely stupid and without analysis. All analysis - copy text from wikipedia
put a minus

[avt]

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I need to know

In general, who, when and at what academies taught Syrian officers under Pope Assad, at the same time, the Kurdish Saleh Muslim, on which technique the Syrians are still fighting and which

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Iranians just taught

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There fought around the brigade of special forces (Iranian) and the same number of land explorers.

When you carefully read through

Quote: swetlana1

For example: "From Iran they already taught and commanded almost to Latakia ..." and other LABUDA

and analyze this very LABUD in Syrian space and time, then you can come to what I said in my

Quote: swetlana1

Crap

Namely, the system of advisers built since the time of Papa Hafez, which was built and actually filled by Soviet officers, was partially destroyed and filled up to the arrival of our Iranians. Now look for and find out that during their advice it was lost, despite the direct participation of the Lebanese Hesballs and

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near the brigade of special forces (Iranian) and as many land detectors.

where it is, "about" to a large part in the field are Shiites from all angles to this day, including the recently shown captured khozaras (google where they are from - this is interesting, as well as the version of their religion)

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So send comments more, but completely stupid and without analysis.

There are no comrades in color and color, but minus you for this

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. All analysis - copy text from wikipedia

When you decide to push a button like this in the future, don’t be lazy and show here on the website a copy of my post and a specific paragraph that is seamless from Wikipedia. I’m trying to discuss this way with my opponent, well, of course, with an interesting interlocutor to me, regardless - he shares my point of view or not, and remains at his own. Then we’ll talk about the adult for that is the analysis in the comment, is it stupid or tightly drawn. Yes, for the future, if you get tired

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So send more comments

and nothing substantive on the topic has nothing to say in accordance with the above, then there is nothing to discuss - quietly minus without addressing the personal and enjoy your own wisdom.

[avt]

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Common words in WG schoolchildren’s speech - kid

And I always try to speak to those who speak to me in a language that is accessible to him, so if you want to argue, I’ll talk to you in your kid’s mind, so long as my thought does not reach the spinal cord, but in essence.

[RuSFr]

I read your (avt) text - it contradicts what you wrote yourself.

Border guards build ships for specific tasks with improved habitability and increased autonomy, unlike the Fleet’s naval staff, and they began to do this in the USSR from the alteration of 1135 to 11351

Project 11351. The hull, power plant, the main mechanisms and equipment of the ship remained the same. On the border ship abandoned URPK "Metel" and aft SAM "Osa-M". GAS “Titan” and “Vega” were replaced by “Platinum” and “Bronze” complexes. Other anti-submarine weapons - RBU-6000 bombers and torpedo tubes - have survived. The artillery armament also changed: the AK-100 turret was installed in the bow, and two 6-barrel 30-mm automatic gun mounts AK-630M were installed in the rear of the superstructure. It turns out pretty good weapons, air defense systems, anti-submarine equipment and weapons

And you protect the project of the ship without air defense, PLO and 30mm gun.
Though reread the text of links in the future and how you interpreted it.

"Normal workhorses of peacetime and do not need to fall into insanity, adjusting any floating craft of a related department for their tasks, well, for which they were taught."
I like your thought. Like wartime: ships to the port, crews to the sanatorium. All security officers of the RGD will rush around the country, and these will rest.

And further. your response to Sveta's comments: "Among the boats, a large number were of the MO-4 type (sea hunter) and they began to protect the water area from enemy submarines and perform other tasks (after all, 4 anti-aircraft points at that time were very good for a sea boat and he could defend himself). "
Your answer: "Of which two 45mm semiautomatic devices, do you know what kind of guns were in the navy ?? Again, ask, well, google and then think about it? Yes, it was then under German aviation to go to them - already a feat and just outside, , Courage "must be given. You may not believe me, believe Major General Kabanov, who defended Hanko and Rybachy. He once wrote in his memoirs that against the FW-190, surely death. "
1) the same Kabanov sent separate vessels guarded by two Mo-4s - often there were no other options (after the fleet went to Leningrad). when other air defense ships were not used and 45mm guns - military time and the order must be followed
2) The battle of SKA-065 with fascist aircraft on March 25, 1943 was widely known not only in the Black Sea Fleet, but also in the world.
3) FW-190th — these aircraft could enter sea areas at the end of summer and fall of 1943. It's good that you have not written about the Me-262
And yet - learn materiel

[avt]

Quote: RuSFr

- it contradicts what they wrote themselves.

Quote: RuSFr

Project 11351. The hull, power plant, the main mechanisms and equipment of the ship remained the same. On the border ship abandoned URPK "Metel" and aft SAM "Osa-M". GAS “Titan” and “Vega” were replaced by “Platinum” and “Bronze” complexes.

What is the contradiction? Nothing - the border guards began to sculpt a ship for themselves on the basic project, unlike the previous ones, about which

Quote: kepmor

differed from the naval MPK 1124 only in that instead of the Osa air defense missile system, an AK-726 was on the border and there were no torpedoes in the ammunition load. They received them only during the "threatened period."

You would not put ANYTHING on "Nereus" in any period. And what is left is reduced in comparison with the basic project by almost half, but since, as always since the days of the Imperial Navy, to shove the unpushable and now they practice on the same 20380 and as a result, the fleet orders, for specific tasks, "project 22160 - the same" scows ", similar to FSB 22100, but here

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kepmor

they are completely delighted and they even carry out missile defense tasks with anti-sabotage grenade launchers and even replace 1124M!

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I like your thought. Like wartime: ships to the port, crews to the sanatorium. All security officers of the RGD will rush around the country, and these will rest.

Yeah, just do not forget - Chirkov also ordered "floating sanatoriums" 22160, the thought did not crept into his head - they ate in the Indian Ocean on the available ones at the very least, and the motor resource was killed on ships starting from the first rank.

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) the same Kabanov sent separate vessels guarded by two Mo-4s - often there were no other options

The key in your words

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there were often no other options

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when other air defense ships were not used and 45mm guns - military time and the order must be followed

This misfortune came to the fleet BEFORE the war, when the industry was unable to supply the machine in the right quantities and quality and the commander came up with a bright idea - to make the 45th semiautomatic device a universal air defense system on ALL SHIPFLEETS from battleships to boats of the NKVD USSR Marine Border Guard, the very MOs, and when the opportunity arose, they removed 45ki from the ships faster than a piggy squeal and put 37mm and Lend-lease machines.

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3) FW-190th — these aircraft could enter sea areas at the end of summer and fall of 1943. It's good that you have not written about the Me-262

Well, when there is nothing to say, you can fart like a sharpie.

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And yet - learn materiel

Wow! Take Kabanov’s memoirs and read about his work on the Fisherman.

[kepmor]

Are you really absolutely illiterate, unable to master Wikipedia, or just pretend to be?
For the "especially gifted" like you - sofa marshal avt, I repeat the elements of the performance characteristics of project 22160: anti-armament - missile torpedoes 91R1 or 91RT2 (located in VUVP together with editions 9M54 and 9M55 RK "Caliber") plus PD-55!
Read the papyrus and study the mat.chast! I don’t intend to communicate with you anymore - it’s not interesting! I have the honor!

[swetlana1]

First of all, I want to immediately apologize for my (hmmm) rude formulation: "you don't know how to think." You know how
Secondly, thanks for expressing your points of view and, most importantly, without insults
I know about the modernization potential
Thanks again

[proud]

beautiful boat! Although small and will bring a lot of benefits, Not the Eagles, because poachers in the seas and oceans to drive Happy border guards!

[voyaka uh]

The problem is that all kinds of smugglers, drug dealers, and international
terrorists are rich people. And the most wound ones buy speed boats for themselves.
And catching them on such a Hunter ... the chances are small.
Actually, only from a helicopter taking off from a coast guard ship can
"cool" them with a machine gun. Well, and criminals like to work at night: that is
without a strong radar, you can’t go out to sea.
With such a ship, you can detain stray fishermen or poachers unless.

[narval20]

GOOD DEED!
BORDER ON THE CASTLE!
Frontiers of the Fatherland are sacred and not touched.

[pellets]

These ships guard the border with China on the river. Amur

[Ugrumiy]

Ah, the former beauty and pride of Cupid. There was a powerful Amur flotilla, but there were miserable scraps from ships with an expiring life, which is constantly being extended, because there is nothing new, especially this class. Sadness however.

[bochman]

"Prompt"! And there was a LARGE ANTI-WATER SHIP "PROVORNY" in the Black Sea Fleet! Even so, memory ...

[Ugrumiy]

A beautiful boat and the right one, only the armament is weak (even in river monitors in the photo above it is several times more powerful: two 120mm tank guns and two ak-630, plus two portable cliffs or cords) and with a helicopter or drones trouble (or not yet, or do not give). I’ll say right away about the reserved place, if it suddenly cracks, will you have time to convert the ship, but not one to the needs of wartime? I think no. So for me, it’s better to immediately do it right, without any reserves to put normal weapons and give helicopters and UAVs not for exercises, but for permanent basing on a ship.

[Cat man null]

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two 120mm tank guns

- I am ready to believe you in everything, but I do not believe in "120 mm". There were no such "tank guns" in the Soviet Union, and there are none now. Either 100 mm (on the T-55) or 125 (on the T-64 and beyond)

[swetlana1]

Quote: Cat Man Null

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two 120mm tank guns

- I am ready to believe you in everything, but I do not believe in "120 mm". There were no such "tank guns" in the Soviet Union, and there are none now. Either 100 mm (on the T-55) or 125 (on the T-64 and beyond)

Dear, what about the 115-mm smooth-bore gun U-5TS "Hammer"?
You too check links
Man made a mistake, why immediately show that smart
PS Just don’t write what you meant rifled guns - this information is not in your text

[Cat man null]

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Dear, what about the 115-mm smooth-bore gun U-5TS "Hammer"?

Svetlana, you are a ship specialist, as I understand it. And I'm a tanker. Therefore, "frightening" me with tank guns is at least silly.

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Just don’t write what you mean rifled guns - this information is not in your text

And rightly so, that is missing. All 125 mm - they are smooth-bore. On the T-55 was a 100-mm, threaded ..

You see .. 55-ke taught me .. and on 64-ke I served .. I honestly forgot about the T-62, yes

Somehow

[swetlana1]

it happens, I also made a mistake twice a week
I put ++

[Ugrumiy]

You are right, you were a little wrong. On the last surviving from the Amur flotilla MAK "Vyuga" there are T-55 towers with 100mm guns. But the point is not this, but the fact that this old river MAK is armed than the newest "Agile", and even has a reservation.

[Old_Python]

I agree and plus. These boats worked and was surprised, I do not understand their advantages. A watchman without weapons, built on stealth technologies - why?!?! There is no through passage along the side. An exit to the tank - and there you can’t walk around - but there are three gates in the stern. Fantastic conditions for the inspection party! True, there is a ramp for launching a high-speed RIB - that is, that is.
Put uranium - unless on the deck of the superstructure, but there is a sliding hangar for a helicopter. And inside the dumb places there are two dining rooms, a wardroom, and of course. And this is only about PU, and yet all kinds of equipment, where is it? Redraw everything? Well to the factory, it's easy for half a year!
But here are the conditions of accommodation - a fairy tale! One single cockpit for five people. The rest is three- and DOUBLE cabins! For cabins under the deck - a separate bathroom and shower. The cabins in the superstructure - their own in each! Cabins of the commander and starpom, of course, with an office and a bedroom. In general, it most resembles an armed motor yacht ...
I hope that my qualification as a shipbuilding engineer is not enough to understand the intentions of the customer ...

[Vitale]

Cannon all the same "Duet" put on it

[Div Divich]

In shipbuilding, there is still a mess, each type of ship is developed separately, it is both long and expensive.
It is better to develop ship platforms, on the basis of which it is already possible to create different types of ships. And on them to install modules unified for different types of ships. Orders apparently form different departments, rather than a single order system.

Water is roads, like railways, so ships must carry goods (weapons, ammunition, equipment, etc.). And do not use as a resort yacht for walking and skiing women.

They need weapons (my opinion):
Anti-aircraft guns (drones, helicopters, planes) and small boats scare.
Torpedoes from large ships and submarines (at least mini torpedoes, otherwise you can’t sink a large ship with automatic weapons, you need to punch a hole under water).
Helicopter hangar with take-off platform (to be universal for the Ka-29 and Ka-52), transport the helicopter over long distances.


Above here they expressed that speedboats need to be driven in a ship's helicopter, I do not agree with this.
To make a full-fledged airdrome on a ship is too expensive (equipment, maintenance personnel, spare parts, fuel tanks).
But the cargo compartment and a flat platform for takeoff is cheaper. But this option is not for the permanent basing of a helicopter on a ship, it is for cases when the helicopter needs to be taken far away (to the islands, to the unequipped coast) ...

Upon detection of an intruder on a high-speed boat, it is easier for coastal ships to call a plane from land, it will fly faster than a helicopter, it is possible to arrange round-the-clock readiness for take-off aircraft on duty (shift duty on pilots), and it’s cheaper to keep a bunch of flying equipment at one airport than to create a separate airport for each helicopter .