Media: Tokyo proposed a new approach to solving the issue of the "northern territories"

Moscow proposed a new approach to resolving the issue of the Kuril Islands, said Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe after talks in Sochi with Vladimir Putin. This is with reference to the agency Kyodo reports RIA News.

The Kremlin, in turn, noted that "the theme of the Kuril Islands was raised at a meeting of Putin and Abe in a very constructive way."

According to the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Peskov, "contacts will be continued at the level of the ministries of foreign affairs."

According to the Japanese newspaper Nikkei, Abe offered Putin a plan from 8 points.

“The plan is aimed at the development of innovative areas in Russia. The document, in particular, includes provisions on the construction of plants for the processing of liquefied gas, air harbors, ports, health facilities and other infrastructure, first of all - in the Far East ", - stated in the publication.

In parallel with the cooperation, Tokyo "will attempt to achieve progress in resolving the issue of the" northern territories "(Kunashir, Shikotan, Iturup and Habomai islands)," the newspaper writes.

The publication notes that the novelty of the approach lies in the fact that for the first time economic cooperation began to be considered in isolation from the peace treaty, under which Tokyo primarily sees unresolved problems with the Kuril Islands. Previously, these problems were put at the forefront in any negotiations, which led to a significant reduction in joint projects with Russia.

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[Spartanez300]

Putin knows what to do, he will put everything on the shelves.

[Andrey K]

Yeah, he explained to Shinzo Abe, the peculiarities of our political cuisine: "Flies separately, cutlets separately"

[mirag2]

These islands are now acquiring special importance in the light of the development of the Arctic, and the prospects of the Northern Sea Route. Most likely, our military base should appear on them, therefore it is not clear how it is possible to jointly exploit them. Rather, together with the Chinese, as opponents of Japan. Japanese move is more likely here. shows concern about this development of events - together with China, the construction of infrastructure for the North Sea Route, and they want to "warn" China in this vector.

[WKS]

These islands are originally Russian, but we don’t take the fact that they are visible from Japan, so let them look.

[Reserve officer]

There are no "northern territories of Japan". There is the territory of Russia. Our boundaries are beyond question. What to discuss? What other nafig new approaches?

[tilovaykrisa]

We could cooperate with Japan on many issues, their investments and technologies would help us a lot, but everything rests on this issue, we still haven’t concluded a peace treaty with them, they don’t really like to lie under the Yankees either, I don’t suggest transferring the islands but they need to somehow resolve this issue, Putin gave away part of the territory to China long ago and everyone was silent, and there are territories larger than these islands, for example, they can be rented out to Japan or developed jointly.

[aleks26]

And after the Kuril surrender, the question will arise about Kaliningrad, the Smolensk region (the Balts want) and Karelia. It seems to have forgotten nothing? Ahhh, the Krasnodar Territory Ukrainians wantB they also claimed to part of the crown of the head , like we worked there too. I’m silent about Crimea. What about the Caucasus? DO NOT set a precedent!

[Roman 11]

Quote: aleks26

And after the Kuril surrender, the question will be

Yeah, direct land sale contest! Russians are fools, let's buy their homeland from paper ...... Kapets, topics for society, what we need ...... and after all we managed to not only think, but also discuss, and not just, but in full seriously !! Well, and how are we then different from any tribe-yumbu tribe? So that we know how to pump oil ??

[Dalmatia]

For aleks26. You have noticed very correctly that you cannot set a precedent.
I will say more, the Japanese should not be allowed close to these islands, no construction, no investment projects from Japan should be allowed.
The small population of these islands is waiting for the arrival of the Japanese, and is associated with this improvement in material well-being. And they are right, so be it. The standard of living will increase, the infrastructure will change, and for all this they will thank Japan (and not Russia). About 10 years later, they will hold a referendum, declare themselves a republic, secede from the Russian Federation and reunite with Japan.
Of course, I fantasized a little, but the truth is that the local population is waiting for the Japanese.

[406ppm2gv]

can be leased, but on one condition. Americans from Japan walk to their homeland to one, and lease their base in Okinawa for the same number of years in Russia.

[Karlovar]

Pocemu net?

[Roman 11]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

You can, for example, rent them out to Yap

So they waved at us with a pen? And at the same time we will be fools again ...... you write as if they were on the drum for you, but this does not mean that everyone is on the drum.

[Karlovar]

Kurily-s voennoj tocki zrenija-strategiceskij objekt! Vorota v Tihij Ocean.

[Cynic]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

Putin gave part of the territory to China and everyone said nothing

In particular Damansky

[Serg 122]

A new approach to resolving the issue of the Kuril Islands
there can be only one - Japan FOREVER! removes this issue from the agenda, and something else is the same rake, only in profile ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Reserve officer

There are no "northern territories of Japan". There is the territory of Russia. Our boundaries are beyond question. What to discuss? What other nafig new approaches?

Just why would the GDP once and for all, to the camera, and so holding yupp by the paw, not to say this? To reach the most deaf. There will be no negotiations. And cooperation ... Want - we will cooperate, do not want to - we will not. And this the will to cooperate is not a whim of Japan, but the opportunity we have given them. We will live without them and their cooperation. But how they are without us is up to them to decide ...

[Roman 11]

Quote: Reserve officer

There are no "northern territories of Japan". There is the territory of Russia. Our boundaries are beyond question. What to discuss? What other nafig new approaches?

Well, do you need islands? Return the Karolinsky, Mariansky, Marshalov ..... These islands belong to the local Abarigans, and for some reason the japas do not pickle at them! And then as if they break off the chain - give them the land and that's it. We paid for this land with the lives of our ancestors in 1945!

Or do they fond of pleasant memories with Russian-Japanese themes?

It is necessary to cover this shop - say we already suggested during the Union - all forget, the train is gone, the time is up, the country is gone ......

No, we do not recognize them as controversial, but do not agree - your problems.

[Karlovar]

Kurily-strategiceskie ostrova! Japy s podaci USA i pedalirujut etot vopros! Amerike vygodno potomu kak.Pri tom nikakih juridiceskih osnovanij net pod etim voprosom.Von Gorbatomu Rejgan toze ustno obesal o nerasprostranenii NATO na vostok ...

[Douel]

And he is a new approach. Realizing that our borders are not subject to doubt (that is, nothing shines), develop economic ties separately and discuss the topic of "northern territories of Japan" separately. Moreover, you can talk about territories for at least a thousand years, and you can expand and develop ties.

[fif21]

Quote: Reserve officer

There are no "northern territories of Japan". There is a territory of Russia

I agree, but the Mattress carrier should be sunk (Japan) or sunk.

[dengy12]

Quote: Reserve officer

There are no "northern territories of Japan". There is the territory of Russia. Our boundaries are beyond question. What to discuss? What other nafig new approaches?

I really like it, but it’s from the category: shrieked and into the cage !!

[RUSS]

Quote: wks

These islands are native Russian

In 1875, in exchange for ownership of Sakhalin, Russia transferred all the Kuril Islands to Japan.
After the defeat in 1905 in the Russo-Japanese War, Russia transferred Japan the southern part of Sakhalin.
In February 1945, the Soviet Union promised the United States and Great Britain to start a war with Japan, subject to the return of southern Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands.
In July 1945, he confirmed his obligation no later than three months after the surrender of Germany to declare war on Japan.
By early September 1945, Soviet troops completely occupied the Kuril Islands.
February 2, 1946 Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on the formation on the territory of South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands of the South Sakhalin Region as part of the Khabarovsk Territory of the RSFSR.
On November 5, 1952, a powerful tsunami hit the entire Kuril coast, with Paramushir hardest hit. A giant wave washed away the city of Severo-Kurilsk (formerly Kashiwabara). In the press, it was forbidden to mention this disaster.
In 1956, the Soviet Union and Japan signed the Moscow Declaration, officially ending the war between the two states. In a declaration, the USSR agreed to transfer to Japan Habomai and Shikotan after the conclusion of a peace treaty. However, due to US threats not to surrender Japan, Tokyo Okinawa refused to sign the contract, because it turned out that Japan refused claims on Iturup and Kunashir

[Proud.]

Quote: RUSS

In 1875, in exchange for ownership of Sakhalin, Russia transferred all the Kuril Islands to Japan.

Yes. I quote: "... The government of Alexander II made the Middle East and Central Asia the main direction of its policy and, fearing to leave its relations with Japan uncertain in the event of a new aggravation of relations with England, went to sign the so-called Petersburg Treaty of 1875, according to which all the Kuril Islands in exchange for the recognition of Sakhalin as Russian territory passed to Japan ... ". This is a political and strategic mistake. Next. I quote:" ... Then there was 1904, when Japan treacherously attacked Russia ... At the conclusion of a peaceful In 1905, the Japanese side demanded Sakhalin Island from Russia as an indemnity treaty in Portsmouth in 1875. The Russian side then declared that this was contrary to the treaty of XNUMX. What did the Japanese answer to this?
- WAR DECLINES all contracts, YOU HAVE BEEN FAILED and let's proceed from the current situation ...
It was only thanks to skillful diplomatic maneuvers that Russia managed to keep the northern part of Sakhalin for itself, and South Sakhalin went to Japan ... "Well ... Okay ... Then what, to Japanese birches, they can now have claims!? If, I quote: "... At the Yalta conference of the heads of powers of the countries participating in the anti-Hitler coalition, held in February 1945, after the end of the Second World War, it was decided to transfer South Sakhalin and all the Kuril Islands to the Soviet Union, and this was a condition for the USSR to enter the war with Japan - three months after the end of the war in Europe ... ". The USSR entered the war with Japan. Provided enormous assistance to the USA. Japan HAS BEEN DEFEATED, THE WAR CROSSED OUT ALL the agreements. In short, their lard, they are on the musals. Let them go cherry orchards. Dot.

[Igor V]

The Ainu lived there all history - absolutely Russian people, outwardly. No Asians there smelled.

[RUSS]

Quote: Igor V

The Ainu lived there all history - absolutely Russian people, apparently

Ainu Russians?
The origin of the Ainu is currently unclear. Europeans, faced with the Ainu in the XVII century, were struck by their appearance. Unlike the usual kind of people of the Mongoloid race with swarthy skin, a Mongolian fold of the eyelid, sparse facial hair, Ainu possessed unusually thick hair covering their heads, wore huge beards and mustaches (holding special sticks while eating), australoid features of their faces by some of the signs were similar to European. Despite living in a temperate climate, in the summer, the Ainu wore only loincloths, like the inhabitants of equatorial countries. There are many hypotheses about the origin of Ainu, which in general can be divided into three groups:

1) Ainu are related to the Caucasians (Caucasian race) - this theory adhered to J. Bachelor, S. Murayama.
2) Ainu are related to the Austronesians and came to the Japanese islands from the south - this theory was put forward by L. Ya. Sternberg and it dominated Soviet ethnography.
3) Ainu are related to the Paleo-Asian peoples and came to the Japanese islands from the north / from Siberia - this is mainly the opinion of Japanese anthropologists.

[Berg194500]

Well, ours also violated the non-aggression pact signed with Japan, which was signed at the end of the 30s in mine. Japan refused to attack the USSR despite pressure from Germany

[Proud.]

Quote: Berg194500

Well, ours also violated the non-aggression pact signed with Japan, which was signed at the end of the 30s in mine. Japan refused to attack the USSR despite pressure from Germany

There was a pact of NEUTRALITY, which was violated by both sides: Japan detained Soviet fishing vessels and drowned transports, abducted USSR citizens (civilians, border guards ...). The USSR sometimes provided its airfields to American military aircraft. And by the way ... Since the end of 1939 Until the spring of 1941, the Japanese Kwantung Army carried out maneuvers, working out possible scenarios for an attack on the USSR. After June 22, Hitler put pressure on the Japanese leadership, demanding to immediately enter the war. However, the Japanese were in no hurry and continued to wait for the "most favorable moment" for the attack - it was to come at a clear turning point in the war in favor of Germany. Minister of War Tojo said that the attack should take place when the Soviet Union "becomes like a ripe persimmon, ready to fall to the ground." international law, violating the concluded treaties and agreements. This pact was nothing more than a polite bow. I quote: "... Japan needed resources that it never had - not then not now. What the Japanese captured in 1931 year Manchuria, gave them a foothold for expanding their influence on the continent, but not a raw material base. supremacy at sea was a priority. Having secured a material base, Japan was ready to start a war with the USSR and did not abandon these plans until 1943, when the war turned.in the Pacific Ocean in favor of the United States on the one hand, and the Battle of Stalingrad on the other ... "For reference (from Pedia):
"... The Neutrality Pact (я ソ 中立 条約, nisso chu: ritsu jo: yaku) was signed in Moscow on April 13, 1941. On the part of the USSR, the treaty was signed by Molotov, on the part of Japan - by Foreign Minister Yosuke Matsuoka and the Japanese Ambassador in the USSR Tatekawa Ratified on April 25, 1941. The treaty was concluded for 5 years from the date of ratification: from April 25, 1941 to April 25, 1946 ... "." ... According to clause 3, "This pact shall enter into force on the day of its ratification by both contracting parties and remains in force for five years. If none of the contracting parties denounces the pact one year before the expiration date, it will be considered automatically extended for another five years. " On April 5, 1945, V.M.Molotov received the Japanese Ambassador to the USSR, Naotake Sato, and made a statement to him about the denunciation of the neutrality pact.According to his statement, in conditions when Japan is at war with Britain and the USA, allies of the USSR, the pact loses its meaning and its extension becomes impossible ... ".

[Disant]

great answer! everything is clearly stated about the cancellation of the contract

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Disant

great answer! everything is clearly stated about the cancellation of the contract

I will add one more trifle -

War cancels all contracts

Not we said - Japanese negotiators Komura and Takahira at the talks in Portsmouth, 1875. And, which is typical, about Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. Or are yapps ready to challenge the outcome of the war? Let them try ....

[Berg194500]

a favorable moment and there was, when the Germans had Moscow, the Pact was concluded? -was-attacked-no! -Well, and what else is needed? -Or November 41, is not a favorable moment?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Berg194500

Ну ours also violated the non-aggression pact signed with Japan, which was signed at the end of the 30s in mine. Japan refused to attack the USSR despite pressure from Germany

1. The USSR "attacked Japan" not on the territory of Japan, but on the territory of China occupied by Japan. Therefore, we are not talking about a war with Japan, but about the liberation of territories seized by an ally of defeated Nazi Germany. If we talk about "the surprise and treachery of the USSR attack on poor, white and fluffy Japan" (ha-ha! 3 times), then this is how we can agree on the Soviet Army's attack on Warsaw, Budapest, Vienna and others at a time when they were defended by white and the fluffy troops of the Third Reich?

2. If the USSR had not "attacked Japan" Americans would still be at war with Japan in the Pacific - with American military talents! One heroic capture of the island of Kyska is worth it!

3. Well, and the appendage. If the USSR had not "attacked Japan", then with the love of the samurai to wave checkers the Chinese now would not be one and a half billion, but one and a half million .... And so, in between would anyone ask the Chinese how they feel about the "attack of the Soviet Army on Japan"? They would tell a lot - Samurai sabers on the neck remember ....

And further... Wildly sorry dear Zheka Berg194500, for the transition to personality, but, it seems to me that you taught history from Soros's textbooks in the 90s or 2000s ... It was then that they began to level the USSR with Germany and talk about "the USSR's treacherous violation of the non-aggression pact with Japan" ... And I taught the history of TOY the Great War in the yard, according to 30-40-year-old PARTICIPANTS of the TOY war .... Try to read not the Soros textbooks, but distinct historical literature. We won’t be able to talk to witnesses, so at least read the memoirs ...

[Berg194500]

what's the difference on whose territory they were located? —they attacked the Japanese army — deanexation — the extension of the agreement was canceled, but the agreement was still valid! —and the word was somehow inconsistent with history — the agreement was concluded with Japan? attacked Japan (the army) - yes !!! so that you would be kama there! —the agreement was valid — and what kind of Japanese were waiting for the right moment, then the story of co-exile doesn’t like! -and here you are in my library were-textbooks of Soros saw? -y kind of a lot of excommunication love-violation of the contract is available- and what kind of attack is there, treacherous or not for me on the back of it.

[Cynic]

Quote: Berg194500

what would you tama would be kayet!

You do not have to wish you wishful thinking.
The winners write history, so the USSR in the West sharply deleted from them.
In general, it is not necessary about the treacherous USSR and, as I understand it, no less treacherous RF. It is not necessary to say that we are bad and we do not have a place among tsivilizovannyh states.
Oh, the old world! Until you perish,
While you languish with sweet flour,
Stop, wise as Oedipus,
Before the Sphinx with an ancient mystery! ..
Russia - Sphinx. Rejoicing and mourning
And bleeding black blood,
She looks, looks, looks at you,
With hate and with love!

[Berg194500]

And who said that we are bad? -And who said about treachery? And who said that we do not have a place somewhere? -I didn’t even write about that, but this is all demagogy.

[Cynic]

Quote: Berg194500

and who said about treachery?

If something

Perfidy - cf. 1. Violation of the oath, obligations.

Quote: Berg194500

not about that generally wrote

And about that, I read only about the unauthorized beginning of the USSR with Japan. They did not attack, but we attacked. True, in the 41st they still had a memory of Khalkhin Gol not weathered, and so the beauty and the Pearl Harbor would not have happened among the Yusovites. True, rumors persist that the high command of the USA was in the know, but ... We needed a reason to unite the nation.

[Berg194500]

I needed a reason to bring the country and crisis, like in the first world to raise the economy, the union has nothing to do with it

[Berg194500]

I needed a reason to bring the country and crisis, like in the first world to raise the economy, the union has nothing to do with it

[Roman 11]

Quote: Berg194500

Well, ours also violated the pact signed with Japan

So what? And Germany their ally attacked us with the signed act, so that everything is uniform

[Karlovar]

Japoncy vsego-to zavazli v Kitae, potomu to i ne napali na SSSR !!! Vojna na 2 fronta byla by dlja nich samoubijstvom.

[black]

They didn’t get stuck there. Mao sat in the north and did not undertake any serious operations against the Japanese. Just did nothing. I read about it, memoirs of the Soviet military adviser. When capturing Nanjing, the junior officers of the Japanese army held a competition. Who will quickly kill 100 Chinese. Yes, and the example of the creation of the puppet state of Manzhou Guo suggests that the japas felt themselves on the mainland, masters.

[Karlovar]

Krome Mao togda byl i Can Kajschi ... Oni, buduci vragami, objedinilis !!! Potom opjat vros ... Kstati, nemci toze sorevnovalis, kto bolse krasnoarmejcev zarezet, stalinskich sokolov sobjet, evreev sozget ....

[Karlovar]

Vopros-mongoly zastrjali na Rusi ????

[Igor V]

The Japanese in the 39th tried to attack Mongolia on Khalkhin-gol, but did not take into account the Soviet-Mongolian agreement on mutual assistance. And they got the tinsel so that they decided not to implement the "northern option". Let's go south.

[Roman 11]

Quote: Be proud.

three months after the end of the war in Europe ... "The USSR entered the war with Japan.

Moreover, everything was concrete, not like the Allied women, they opened the 2nd front for several years ....... and they did, when everything was already very clear.

[fif21]

Quote: Be proud.

To whom DO YOU PUSH, similar (not up to the grains)? Aggravation? Has covered? And

This cha impudence covered a piece of meat

[Roman 11]

Quote: RUSS

In 1956 was The Soviet Union and Japan signed the Moscow Declaration, officially ending the war between the two states. In a declaration, the USSR agreed to transfer to Japan Habomai and Shikotan

Again Khrushchev !! Straight traitor, and such cleansing bypassed .....

[Cynic]

Quote: Novel 11

Again Khrushchev !!

And THAT!
Not only Crimea and this Declaration on his account, stocks during his reign ...
There is an interesting nuance, the Declaration seems to have been ratified only by the USSR, Japan has not ratified.
They were half disagreeing, they needed everything they needed.

[Karlovar]

Nedorabotal Vissarionyc ....

[Dryuya2]

Lavrov after the meeting
Sergey Lavrov's press approach following a meeting of leaders of the Russian Federation and Japan


and I’ll add Masha, for the mood
Weekly briefing by Maria Zakharova
6 May 2016 city

[fif21]

Quote: Dryuya2

Lavrov after the meeting Sergei Lavrov’s press approach following the meeting of the leaders of the Russian Federation and Japan, Masha, I will add, for the mood. Weekly briefing by Maria Zakharova on May 6, 2016.

They sold Russia and you are the same.

[34 region]

VKS! 11.21. In addition to the islands, there will probably be a question of 200 miles of coastal territory. Therefore, the question here is not only a piece of land. There is also the issue of territorial waters. We are offered to push our borders 200 miles. What can a Japanese friend offer? Did not write. Like you to us islands and 5 miles around them? Or an investment in exchange for the islands? And what then prevents the Japanese from increasing the size of these islands? In light of international events, nothing. And there will be several unsinkable aircraft carriers. Do we need this?

[Igor V]

There is still a deep-sea strait, which submarines pass underwater and without demand.

[lemal200]

Until we take it!

[Vyacheslav73]

I live on Sakhalin and we also see the north of Japan ... but because of this, we don’t want to pick up those islands that we see ...

[Committee]

Under no circumstances can the territory of Russia be the subject of "discussion", much less "joint use."

[Nikolay K]

Well, they became "original" in 1945. You read the names of the islands, they are straight purely Russian
Putin is a purely progmatic politician, therefore his task is to "sell" the islands at a higher price. The Japanese have already realized that no one will return anything to them for free, and public opinion in Japan is very much inclined to return the islands. Therefore, the Japanese prime minister is ready to pay a good price for this decision, in fact, our Foreign Ministry called it constructive proposals.
Personally, I am not against a good exchange. We assume that these are Japanese reparation payments to us as winners for the Second World War.

[sherp2015]

Quote: mirag2

These islands are now becoming particularly important in the light of the development of the Arctic and the prospects of the Northern Sea Route. Most likely, our military base should appear on them, therefore it is not clear how it is possible to jointly operate them.

Quote: wks

These islands are originally Russian, but we don’t take the fact that they are visible from Japan, so let them look.

Quote: Reserve officer

There are no "northern territories of Japan". There is the territory of Russia. Our boundaries are beyond question. What to discuss? What other nafig new approaches?

In short, X "r" en all over his face, not the northern territories

[The black]

Tokyo has proposed a new approach to resolving the issue of "northern territories"

The approach is new and the answer is old

[Suhov]

Quote: mirag2

it is not clear how it is possible to exploit them together

And how do you like this option:
Japan is part of the Russian Federation, as well as Tatarstan, Dagestan, Chechnya, etc.
While Russia and Ukraine were part of a single state of the USSR,
there were no problems with Crimea.
So there is positive experience ...

[fif21]

Quote: Sukhov

Japan as part of the Russian Federation, as well as Tatarstan

This is their only chance not to become a shipping country.

[Asadullah]

These islands are now becoming particularly important in the light of the development of the Arctic, and the prospects of the Northern Sea Route. Most likely, our military base should appear on them, therefore it is not clear how it is possible to operate them together

Yes, no, dear, Sevmor has nothing to do with it, and the base there is not particularly needed, if only to plan the base in Japan. Americans push the bucket with islands, promising the Japanese to move the Air Force base to Habomai from Okinawa, and the Navy to Shikotan. In this case, everyone will be happy, both Chinese, Japanese and Koreans. All except Russia, for you understand what this means.

[Bobxnumx]

The Japanese decided to approach the issue of the "northern territories" from around the corner. We will see what happens, the United States is not asleep in matters of investment in Russia.

[Victor N]

...... but do not touch the islands!

[fif21]

Quote: Victor N

...... but do not touch the islands!

A hole to them from a donut, not Sharapov

[Major Yurik]

Stubborn Yapov donkeys, is it really not clear that no one will give them the islands! In addition to the great strategic importance, the precedent also takes place, where Finns with Karelia, chances with Kaliningrad and other small zones of disputes and claims will immediately come to life!

[CORNET]

Quote: Spartanez300

Putin knows what to do, he will put everything on the shelves.

And what is there to lay out, the answer is, as always, unambiguous! Zhirinovsky has long been voiced in popular Russian and powerful ...))))

[fif21]

Quote: CORNET

And what is there to lay out, the answer is, as always, unambiguous! Zhirinovsky is already

In this matter I will support Zhirik A not GDP
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[fif21]

Quote: CORNET

Zhirinovsky has long been voiced in popular Russian and powerful ...))))

And is someone listening to this Jew? The clown is his last name.

[RUSS]

Quote: fif21

And is someone listening to this Jew? The clown is his last name.

Enumeration

[Portolan]

EARTH is the BASIS, and we will build all sorts of enterprises ourselves, so the "new approach" to the islands will have the old continuation

[Pirogov]

Quote: Portolan

EARTH is the BASIS, and we will build all sorts of enterprises ourselves, so the "new approach" to the islands will have the old continuation

I fully support you, the Japs are occupied by America, even if they make claims against them, and no government of today's Russia has the right to give up land, which has always been Russian, and then was conquered by blood.

[siberalt]

And let's do that. We have our own problems with the Kuril Islands, you have your own. But your problems are your problems, and they do not concern us

[fif21]

Quote: Spartanez300

Putin knows what to do, put everything on the shelves

Come on and lick my ass

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Excellent Putin came up with, the Japanese will invest in our economy counting on the Kuril Islands, but they will not get them.
The main thing is to drive them by the nose longer ...

[cergey51046]

It is not known who will lead anyone by the nose.

[406ppm2gv]

I support that is also not very optimistic.

[Simon]

Let the Japanese invest, but legally, these islands must be Russian, in addition, the Japanese must remove all American military bases from their islands.

[sl22277]

We do not believe that a peace treaty is a synonym for solving a territorial problem. Economic cooperation, without territorial concessions from Russia! Exactly this option will be acceptable for Russia. And the sooner Tokyo will agree to Russian conditions, the better it will be for the Japanese themselves - given the pace of Russian-Chinese cooperation and the creeping globalization of Chinese foreign policy, time does not play in Japan’s favor ....

[atalef]

Quote: sl22277

We do not believe that a peace treaty is a synonym for solving a territorial problem. Economic cooperation, without territorial concessions from Russia! Exactly this option will be acceptable for Russia.

But it is definitely not acceptable for Japan

Quote: sl22277

And the sooner Tokyo agrees to Russian conditions, the better it will be for the Japanese themselves - given the pace of Russian-Chinese cooperation and the creeping globalization of Chinese foreign policy, time does not play in favor of Japan ....

China will never fill the Japanese niche, and sell? Did Japan ever have sales problems? Or has Japan for some time become dependent on the Russian market?
Look at things realistically.

[atalef]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Excellent Putin came up with, the Japanese will invest in our economy counting on the Kuril Islands, but they will not get them.
The main thing is to drive them by the nose longer ...

Negotiations are underway (any) to achieve a compromise.
The situation today looks like this.

1. The absence of a peace treaty between countries
2. The Russian Federation in crisis and under sanctions with a negative outlook on the economy.
3.Japan does not recognize the sovereignty of the Russian Federation over the islands and considers them occupied
4 Japan has weight in both the G7 (8) and the Asia Pacific
5. Japan has finance and technology.
6. Islands for the Russian Federation are not of great importance from an economic point of view (except for the water area with fish stocks (which can be solved), and from the military in general
7. For Japan, the Northern Territories are of great importance from the point of view of nat. pride and mentality.

Well, let's say the starting points at the start of negotiations.
You understand that the NEGOTIATIONS is a way to reach a compromise when each of the parties will have to sacrifice something or parts of something.
The situation when --- you give us everything, but we will continue to drive you by the nose and will not give anything - it is mixed and not real. those brings us to the zero point.
Therefore, one of the two
1 Failure to negotiate
2. The compromise on the islands with the transfer of sovereignty to Japan (through time, joint or something like that) why? Because the other i.e. Japan already has its absence (sovereignty), and this is the starting point of negotiations.
Otherwise, negotiations simply lose their meaning. Japan from the Russian Federation except the islands do not need anything else. There are no other areas of contact in general.
IMHO.

[black]

Japan is also not experiencing a time of economic growth. Historically difficult relations with its closest neighbors, dependence on external supplies of raw materials, etc. etc. Northern territories are a rhetorical question, but you always want to eat.

[atalef]

Quote: black

Japan is also not experiencing a time of economic growth. Historically difficult relations with its closest neighbors, dependence on external supplies of raw materials, etc. etc. Northern territories are a rhetorical question, but you always want to eat.

We would all be so hungry as in Japan.

[black]

Well, you, unlike Japan, have found gas. And now you smell.

[fif21]

Quote: atalef

We would all be so hungry as in Japan.

They will put you on the menu and you will be, horseradish on a diet

[33 Watcher]

Notice, Russia does not initiate these negotiations from time to time ...

Quote: atalef

Japan from the Russian Federation except the islands do not need anything else

Accordingly, the Russian Federation from Japan doesn’t need anything at all.
If you want to cooperate, we will cooperate, no, then no.

[atalef]

Quote: Observer 33

Notice, Russia does not initiate these negotiations from time to time ...

Of course, but Russia agrees to them.

Quote: Observer 33

Accordingly, the Russian Federation from Japan doesn’t need anything at all.
If you want to cooperate, we will cooperate, no, then no.

This is the same position, so we return to paragraph 1 of my comment

Quote: atalef

1 Failure to negotiate

[33 Watcher]

Quote: atalef

Of course, but Russia agrees to them.

Was the meeting devoted to territorial issues?

Quote: atalef

1 Failure to negotiate

About what? It seems that the Japanese are going to build something, invest in something ... They gathered, no one forbade them. That's all ... A normal visit, normal negotiations with a normal result.

[faridg7]

Well, the success of negotiations is a twofold thing. If agreeing to negotiations, the Russian Foreign Ministry set out to get investment and technology, but not to give the Kuril Islands, then what kind of failure are we talking about? And if, for Japan, the mother set the task of her prime minister to beg for the islands, but didn’t get it, then yes, the negotiations failed. In general, of course, it’s not good to give the Japanese hope for these islands, but on the other hand it’s the carrot that the Japanese donkey will follow and it will be a good idea to drag our economy (but the problem is that the donkey in the end, something have to give, otherwise he will die or understand that he is a donkey)

[faridg7]

I have the full impression that someone was offended by the mother of Japan, or do not like a donkey with a Japanese origin?
I usually put a minus argument.

[fif21]

Quote: atalef

Of course, but Russia agrees to them.

Go far, far and give your advice to your "God's chosen" Forget about the country you betrayed, and God forbid you to return to it.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: atalef

Negotiations are underway (any) to achieve a compromise.
The situation today looks like this.

1. The absence of a peace treaty between countries
2. The Russian Federation in crisis and under sanctions with a negative outlook on the economy.
3.Japan does not recognize the sovereignty of the Russian Federation over the islands and considers them occupied
4 Japan has weight in both the G7 (8) and the Asia Pacific
5. Japan has finance and technology.
6. Islands for the Russian Federation are not of great importance from an economic point of view (except for the water area with fish stocks (which can be solved), and from the military in general
7. For Japan, the Northern Territories are of great importance from the point of view of nat. pride and mentality.

Well, let's say the starting points at the start of negotiations.
You understand that the NEGOTIATIONS is a way to reach a compromise when each of the parties will have to sacrifice something or parts of something.
The situation when --- you give us everything, but we will continue to drive you by the nose and will not give anything - it is mixed and not real. those brings us to the zero point.
Therefore, one of the two
1 Failure to negotiate
2. The compromise on the islands with the transfer of sovereignty to Japan (through time, joint or something like that) why? Because the other i.e. Japan already has its absence (sovereignty), and this is the starting point of negotiations.
Otherwise, negotiations simply lose their meaning. Japan from the Russian Federation except the islands do not need anything else. There are no other areas of contact in general.
IMHO.

Do you really think that Putin will surrender the Kuril Islands (what kind of compromise are we talking about from Japan)? In Russia, 100% of the population will not support this decision, and Putin is not the person who gives / sells the territory.

[atalef]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Do you really think that Putin will surrender the Kuril Islands (what kind of compromise are we talking about from Japan)? In Russia, 100% of the population will not support this decision, and Putin is not the person who gives / sells territories

I do not think. I say that each side agreeing to negotiations is ready to give up something. The question is one, is it enough for the second side?
If not, negotiations simply do not lead to anything and everything is back to square one.
But the situation when Japan gives something without receiving anything in return is also absurd.

[33 Watcher]

Quote: atalef

when Japan gives something without receiving anything in return

What does it mean? He will build gas processing plants near raw materials. He will build airports with cargo terminals, we must put it ... Or is it they do not need? Are they trying for us?
They want to work here and earn money.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: atalef

If not, negotiations simply do not lead to anything and everything is back to square one.
But the situation when Japan gives something without receiving anything in return is also absurd.

It’s possible that the Kuril Islands theme is used inside Japan to gain political points, so the Japanese government can initially understand that they don’t have to take such a step in order to play a show before the citizens of Japan that something is being done to return the Kuril Islands.
That is, deception as such does not occur, at the state level, but only Japanese citizens are deceived.

[fif21]

Quote: atalef

But the situation when Japan gives something without receiving anything in return is also absurd.

Will not give and do not! Why are you getting into other people's affairs? What do you need Moishe for?

[fif21]

Quote: atalef

But the situation when Japan gives something without receiving anything in return is also absurd.

Will not give and do not! Why are you getting into other people's affairs? What do you need Moishe for?

[major147]

I do not think that you can give the islands as unnecessary.
Firstly, these islands within Russia make it possible to have an internal Sea of ​​Okhotsk, with all the consequences.
Secondly, with the loss of islands, Russia will lose the possibility of hidden entry and exit of submarines into the ocean due to the shallow depths of other straits.

[cap]

Quote: atalef

Therefore, one of the two
1 Failure to negotiate
2. The compromise on the islands with the transfer of sovereignty to Japan (through time, joint or something like that) why? Because the other i.e. Japan already has its absence (sovereignty), and this is the starting point of negotiations.
Otherwise, negotiations simply lose their meaning. Japan from the Russian Federation except the islands do not need anything else. In general, there are no other areas of contact.
IMHO.

Your approach is absolutely true with both political and economic
points of view.
Personally, I am familiar with Chinese and Japanese businessmen, I can add.
1. At present, there is intense and undisguised competition to get bonuses from the current disastrous from the point of view of the West state of Russia in financially supporting development projects.
The Chinese are ahead. The Bank of China has been opened in Russia. The Japanese cannot do this due to state pressure.
2. Arrival of Abe, an attempt to find contacts at the government level to participate in real business in Russia with the participation of private investment, which will require some courage from the Japanese as the states will put the wheels in wheels.
Here Russia has a favorable position for the dialogue, "we suggest we look." All this will require a detailed economic study and analysis.
Well, corruption control, this is our national sport.
That something like this.
As for the islands, I am sure Putin will not give them up.
Purely for military reasons.

[atalef]

Quote: cap

.At present, there is a fierce and undisguised competition to get bonuses from the current disastrous from the point of view of the West state of Russia in financially supporting development projects.
The Chinese are ahead. The Bank of China has been opened in Russia. The Japanese cannot do this due to state pressure.

Anatoly, any economic activity involves lending by banks, in Russia today there is not very much money (I would say) and the banking sector is under sanctions by the EU and the United States and not just sanctions, but with the threat of sanctions against banks of other countries participating in projects from the Russian Federation.
those. roughly, you want to lend, but then forget about the connection with us, the result

Over the past three months, two Chinese banks have refused to provide loans to Russian customers.
According to the Financial Times, citing representatives of Chinese banks.

"If you expect that we will begin to carry out all those operations that European and American banks can no longer carry out, then you are mistaken," said the representative of the Bank of China in Moscow.

“We want to develop business in Russia, but we must also take risks into account,” he added.

According to the publication, over the past three months, two Chinese banks have refused to provide loans to Russian customers, citing an order from the state’s leadership not to go against Washington’s policies.

Do you think that the Japanese will take such risks upon receiving horseradish instead of territory?
Maybe someone else will believe me, no.
Therefore, negotiations will end in nothing.
Putin will not in this situation in the economies and the upcoming elections, he still has to make some kind of compromise on the islands.
He knows that people will live on cucumbers and potatoes, but without islands, he will have to call Churov out of resignation to win the next election

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

Therefore, negotiations will end in nothing.
Putin will not in this situation in the economies and the upcoming elections, he still has to make some kind of compromise on the islands.
He knows that people will live on cucumbers and potatoes, but without islands, he will have to call Churov out of resignation to win the next election

Negotiations just do not end there! Everyone gets what they counted on - Russia is the appearance of contacts and agreements with the West, Japan - by holding at least some talk about the islands. And no one else counted on anything!
Putin will win the election without Churov, and even not only in Russia, but also in most European countries. Churov was needed only to cover United Russia bureaucrats, but Putin, just in case, has activists from the Popular Front. One has only to throw a cry - and immediately there will be a replacement for the bureaucrats.
And about grub - now everything is more or less normal. Pork - at the same price as three years ago, chickens - 10-15 percent more expensive, beef - the same 15 percent raised. Exotic fruits plus apples have risen in price more strongly, the most expensive Russian apples ... Imported - 50-100, ours - over a hundred rolls over.
This year the potatoes are really cheap - in "Magnet" even last year's 7 rubles per kg is available, though not very good, but the market is full of 12. But greenhouse cucumbers 70-90 (long), 100-120 - ordinary. But already its own greens from the garden have gone - onions, radishes, young garlic, dill, parsley, even the first cilantro will be in a week. And today I saw an Israeli radish in Magnit, but I don't need it: I have my own.
Without Japan, we will definitely live!

[cap]

Quote: atalef

Do you think that the Japanese will take such risks upon receiving horseradish instead of territory?
Maybe someone else will believe me, no.

Negotiations on the participation of private Japanese business in the projects of the Russian Federation were held under the auspices of "Business Russia" (Titov), ​​I was sitting next to Golikova.
Then she did not represent the government. It was 10 years ago.
They did not recall the islands.
Companies were middle hands with Hokaido.
By the standards of Japan, they were interested in small joint ventures of the type of joint venture.
assembly of various equipment to reduce costs, and thus increase profits. And much more. Supply of equipment for aquaculture.
It’s possible that this kind of talk will go on now. By the way, the will of the government no more is enough to resolve such issues.
Then the meeting ended with a memorandum of intent and it all ended with nothing.
Now is another time.
Currently, a joint venture with "Russian roots" is working in China with more than 100 Russian entrepreneurs who have run away from verbal rubbish to support various kinds of "entrepreneurial initiatives."

It’s too early to draw conclusions. This is my opinion.

[atalef]

Quote: cap

Negotiations on the participation of private Japanese business in the projects of the Russian Federation were held under the auspices of "Business Russia" (Titov), ​​I was sitting next to Golikova.

Quote: cap

Companies were average hands with Hokaido

Quote: cap

By the standards of Japan, they were interested in small joint ventures of the type of joint venture.
assembly of various equipment to reduce costs, and thus increase profits. And much more. Supply of equipment for aquaculture.

Anatoly, negotiations for projects of this level do not require either state guarantees for loans or a summit.
It is more like cross-border trade.
That is, in no way affect the politicians and their image.
Here, if there are politicians of this level, then solutions must be not only appropriate to the level of politicians and their power, but also the severity of these problems.

[fif21]

Quote: atalef

Anatoly, negotiations for projects of this level do not require either state guarantees for loans or a summit

Go far away and forget the Russian language skin corrupt.

[fif21]

Quote: atalef

Anatoly, negotiations for projects of this level do not require either state guarantees for loans or a summit

Go far away and forget the Russian language skin corrupt.

[Saratoga833]

There is more money in Russia than necessary, the only thing is that they are not invested in Russia, but in the States, thanks to our financial block! If we had our money, there would be much less questions!

[fif21]

Quote: Saratoga833

There is more money in Russia than necessary, the only thing is that they are not invested in Russia, but in the States, thanks to our financial block! If we had our money, there would be much less questions!

Here is the answer to the question - who should be blamed! Well, and who else do you understand ?!

[Karlovar]

Soglasen c Vami ... A Kurily s voennoj tocki zrenija pokruce Kryma budut !!!

[Yuyuka]

6. Islands for the Russian Federation are not of great importance from an economic point of view (except for the water area with fish stocks (which can be solved), and from the military in general

Kemska volost? I thought that! Take it! (C)

Yes, under this brand, half of the country can be given! it is in the style of the old woman (girlhood - Shapoklyak) Albright - Russia does not have the right to dispose of such wealth itself, it is unfair! not literally - but in essence. Here I look out the window - and there is a wasteland, can sell it to the Japanese or Chinese? no horseradish on it, no radish! what the hell is it for us?

[33 Watcher]

Quote: Yuyuka

6. Islands for the Russian Federation are not of great importance from an economic point of view (except for the water area with fish stocks (which can be solved), and from the military in general

Kemska volost? I thought that! Take it! (C)

Yes, under this brand, half of the country can be given! it is in the style of the old woman (girlhood - Shapoklyak) Albright - Russia does not have the right to dispose of such wealth itself, it is unfair! not literally - but in essence. Here I look out the window - and there is a wasteland, can sell it to the Japanese or Chinese? no horseradish on it, no radish! what the hell is it for us?

Please note that this assessment is by no means out of the Russian flag. Can we also look at what matters to whom, and what doesn’t?

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: atalef

Japan from the Russian Federation except the islands do not need anything else. There are no other areas of contact in general.

There are other areas of contact. Japan possessed for some time both the Kuriles and Sakhalin. And their slogan was "Asia for Asians" (Japanese). So no compromises. Put your finger in your mouth - they will cut off your hand to the elbow.

[Victor N]

Possible compromise: lease of islands for a period of not more than 5 years with the possibility of extension and with the preservation of Russian garrisons.

[voronbel53]

What do you think of the rent? Probably the same as renting a moonshine, and returning the bottle after the lease term expires? Or maybe on a lease ?, and let them leave a bottle for themselves ... Why do we need all this7 Little that the narrow-eyed want, we are not on the road, in this issue in parallel, we will never agree ...

[Aleksandr1959]

3.Japan does not recognize the sovereignty of the Russian Federation over the islands and considers them occupied

Many who do not recognize the sovereignty of Russia over the Crimea. And what, give Crimea to Russia?

Israel, too, is not eager to regain the Golan Heights captured in 1967

In 1981, the Israeli Knesset passed the Golan Heights Act, where Israel unilaterally proclaimed the sovereignty of Israel over this territory. The annexation was invalidated by UN Security Council Resolution No. 497 of December 17, 1981.

Is Israel going to return these territories to Syria in the near future? Obviously no

2. The compromise on the islands with the transfer of sovereignty to Japan (through time, joint or something like that) why? Because the other i.e. Japan already has its absence (sovereignty), and this is the starting point of negotiations.
Otherwise, negotiations simply lose their meaning. Japan from the Russian Federation except the islands do not need anything else. There are no other areas of contact in general.
IMHO.

In such matters, a compromise on the part of Russia means both de jure and de facto renunciation of sovereignty over the Kuril Islands. And beyond this step, there will be a fig to find other people willing to "reach a compromise" on other Russian territories.

[fif21]

Quote: Alexander1959

Is Israel going to return these territories to Syria in the near future? Obviously no

What are you trying to convince this fallen woman of? Ev rey by definition enemies! and they proved it.

[Aleksandr1959]

Ev rey by definition enemies! and they proved it

I can give examples offhand. Mark Lazarevich Gallay... Hero of the Soviet Union, Honored Test Pilot of the USSR, .... After the death of Alexei Grinchik, he continued testing the MiG-9. Is this your enemy? Then, there would be more such "enemies".
Another example. Also "a person of Jewish nationality." One of the legends of the nuclear industry. Evgeny Yakovlevich Safronov. He is now well over 80. He began working at the first industrial reactors producing weapons-grade uranium, then he worked at research reactors. He was invited to Israel .... did not go. Although it was hard for him in the 90s.
But in order to be considered Russian it is not necessary to drink vodka in glasses, swear obscenities ... and stigmatize the Jews. Something else must be seen ...

[common man]

Quote: atalef

6. Islands for the Russian Federation are not of great importance from an economic point of view (except for the water area with fish stocks (which can be solved), and from the military in general

In principle, this paragraph should be so prescribed.

Quote: atalef

For (Japan's Northern Territory highlighted in red delete)Russia these islands are - of great importance from the point of view of nat. pride and mentality.

You did not confuse Russians with Anglo-Saxons? for us, the spiritual always prevailed over the market.

[fif21]

Quote: atalef

The situation today looks like this.

The teacher went green. So that you all die tolerasts.

[fif21]

Quote: atalef

Negotiations are underway (any) to achieve a compromise.

There will be no compromise! thing to you for the collar and the japs ​​too! Japan is a defeated country and cannot speak by definition. Wants zvizdyule? - receive.

[Disant]

atalef, I'm not thrilled with the statements of the fifa, but you forgot to add to your points:
2. Japan with foreign bases on its territory, a public debt of 230% against 10-15% in Russia
3. Russia considers the islands to be its territory and occupies them, relying on the results of the 2nd World War
4 and 5 points. I would add to this point: they have weight and finances with technologies, but the islands cannot "weigh" themselves
6. I object to you here.
- not fish stocks, but biological resources, which in principle are inexhaustible. (stock, yes, you can buy it to sell). The Sea of ​​Okhotsk - again, the inland sea of ​​Russia
- the so-called military point of view - here is the exit to the Pacific Ocean of Russian submarines with nuclear weapons on board, which are one of the guarantors of Russia's national security in the current international situation, specified by you in clauses 4 and 5.
7. will correct - "so called northern territories "

[razmik72]

Driving by the nose is not bad, but who will win? The Japanese have always put the issue of the so-called "northern territories" at the forefront, if, as the author writes, the Japanese have changed their approach, then this may be either only in the head of the author of the article, or simply the Japanese prime minister was groping for Russia's position.

[fif21]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

The main thing is to drive them by the nose longer ...

That's right - they are our illusion, we are their focus

[Proxima]

Economic cooperation - with both hands "FOR". Only not to the detriment of our territorial integrity!

[Hubun]

To the new approach, the old answer is, cookie you with butter, not the island. Collaborate with pleasure of course

[newcomer]

breakthrough projects are good. the question of the islands is as simple as day: the two islands on our side, the “Yankees go home” on their side.

[m262]

I disagree! The Yankees will both leave and come, and the islands are the Pacific Fleet's exit to the ocean, I also have a Kemska Volost!

[kursk87]

Cooperation with the Japanese in my opinion will give positive results, but as for the Kuril Islands, I hope for the Japanese they are lost forever.

[Tusv]

The issue of the northern territories. Sakhalin Territory, Japan Region?

[Monos]

They still have not answered us for Port Arthur and Tsushima.

[m262]

Answered in 1945!

[Pereira]

Responsible for Port Arthur.
For Tsushima yet. Not yet fully settled.

[Simon]

Monos (1) RO Today, 11: 02 New
They still have not answered us for Port Arthur and Tsushima. --- We have taken away to 1945 islands.

[Monos]

Quote: Simon

Monos (1) RO Today, 11: 02 New
They still have not answered us for Port Arthur and Tsushima. --- We have taken away to 1945 islands.

It does not count! Islands - our trophy according to WWII. Arthur - a separate story.

[Pereira]

The fleet has not yet been sunk.

[Proxima]

Economic cooperation - with both hands "FOR". Only not to the detriment of our territorial integrity! The problems of the "northern territories" DO NOT EXIST! It only exists in the fevered brains of our Japanese "friends". The territorial boundaries of Russia are internationally recognized and fixed in the UN - THEY WILL NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING!

[atamankko]

Let them collaborate, but no complaints.

[fif21]

Quote: atamankko

Let them collaborate, but no complaints.

Claims will end when the state of Japan is located on Mount Fokushima. In general, Japan impedes the development of fish resources and should be flooded.

[cergey51046]

Offered to share, finally ripe.

[Simon]

cergey51046 (3) RU Today, 11:04 AM New
Offered to share, finally matured --- Are you sharing an apartment with non-native people?

[kostella85]

Moreover, how to understand "jointly"? These islands were CONQUERED, like the Kaliningrad region. Or is the Kaliningrad region also "to use" together with someone?

[Demeter]

Let Japan offer Russia joint use of the Hokkaido island, which Japan is obliged to transfer to Russia under the Yalta Agreement, but there is nothing to do on the Kuril Islands of Japan!

[Demon_blood]

The UN recognizes that these islands belong to Russia, anyone who is not sure about this is either a traitor or a short-sighted person and wants to sell the territory. No self-respecting country will enter such negotiations.

And Shinzo Abe's plan has long been known, this is a section of 4 disputed islands exactly in half, by area. We are left with the coldest northern part, i.e. 75% of Iturup Island.

[RUSS]

Quote: Demon_Blood

And Shinzo Abe’s plan has long been known

Khrushchev offered them to give Shitokan and Habomai in exchange for a peace treaty, the Japanese rejected that plan, give them all the 4 islands.
We would not have lost anything from the Khrushchev plan since the Sea of ​​Okhotsk would have remained inland, but there would have been a peace treaty with Japan, and the Japanese have nothing to do with it, and we do not have normal economic ties and investments with Japan.

[Demeter]

To the Devil Khrushchev and everyone who is going to give foreigners at least an inch of Russian land!

[RUSS]

Quote: Demeter

To the Devil Khrushchev and everyone who is going to give foreigners at least an inch of Russian land!

Putin gave China 337 square meters. kilometers of territory in the Far East (Tarabarov and Bol. Ussuriysky islands), is it also to the devil?

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: RUSS

Putin gave China 337 square meters. kilometers of territory in the Far East (Tarabarov and Bol. Ussuriysky islands), is it also to the devil?

Of course!

[lelikas]

Quote: Demon_Blood

this is a section of 4 disputed islands exactly in half, by area.

I would add - along, so that everyone half of each - cleanly look at the round eyes of the Japanese, when they translate this proposal.
In the meantime, let them be shown the phrase from the "National Hunt" - "Kuzmich, you have come to terms with her loss ..."

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Demon_Blood
this is a section of 4 disputed islands exactly in half, by area.

I would add - along, so that everyone half of each - cleanly look at the round eyes of the Japanese, when they translate this proposal.
In the meantime, let them be shown the phrase from the "National Hunt" - "Kuzmich, you have come to terms with her loss ..."

why don’t they offer land in flower pots?

[Balagan]

Japs pulled up with the northern territories.
Let them build several fish processing factories, the airport there and something else they need - then they will have visa-free entry to a specific island for up to 90 days.

[erased]

The issue of territories is solved simply - Itiup in exchange for Hokkaido and Kyushu. For instance.

[Pereira]

To Okinawa.

[newcomer]

we kind of like an agreement / understanding with yap from the time of the ussr. our mid seems to have confirmed this line. them two islands in return for the withdrawal of the Yankees bases. there is a double bottom. First of all, we knew that Yapy would not go for it, which they proved. secondly, if the Yapi even agree, we benefit from this on all sides.

[Mountain shooter]

These islands "lock" the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, making it an internal Russian one. And then the Japanese poachers will "bail out" it at once. Non-freezing straits, again. Well, Hokkaido is on the horizon, in the distance covered by floating armored personnel carriers. You don't have to give ANYTHING to the samurai. And then they will remember about South Sakhalin, and about the fact that at one time their troops in Primorye were shaking

[Who said]

If a peace treaty has not been signed, then the countries are in a state of war. If so, why the hell is Russia negotiating? Two bombs on well-known cities and everything. Not the problems of the northern territories nor the Japanese themselves

[bad]

Media: Tokyo proposed a new approach to solving the issue of the "northern territories"

.. our position is the most "constructive" of all constructive ones - forget about the Kuriles ..

[APASUS]

In my opinion, it’s quite a sober balanced look at the relations between the two countries, which has been very illogical for Japan recently. Business and political requirements were divided in this proposal. Although I think the matter is completely different. The friendship of Russia with China is the main cause of concern, the United States is certainly an ally, but they are far and China is nearby. It turns out that Japan imposed self-restraint on self-restraint in business with Russia, and China is only developing in this area.

[evil partisan]

Tokyo has proposed a new approach to resolving the issue of "northern territories"

Those. they actually agreed to continue moving in the same direction where they sent them last time about this GDP, but not so fast. Type: can go to the step ...

[kostella85]

And for some reason, I’m alarmed by the sudden flare-up of love between us and Yap, the flags on the plane ...., I almost kissed the GDP .... As if something bad had happened ...

[RUSS]

Quote: kostella85

almost kissed the GDP

You still marry them

[kostella85]

Not .... We have this pid ... this will not work !!!!

[Roman 11]

Quote: kostella85

with GDP almost kissed ....

And then they will come up with about Putin’s cunning plan ..... God forbid. Enough of Khrushchev and ebn ...... and it’s strange somehow, why didn’t the humpback light up against the background of the Kuril Islands?

[Mercenary]

You can not give! Now the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is considered inland because of OUR islands and no .... would not go there. It’s worth giving at least one, the border will change and there will be a passage yard (for Donald Cook)

[Rock_n_roll]

Yes, no one is going to give, they just listened to the guys.

[Pvi1206]

They conquer the territory, and they buy plants.
Japan offers an unequal exchange ...

[Watchdog]

And you don’t need to give anything back — declare it a free economic zone and sign an agreement on the procedure for joint use, with the unconditional recognition of the property rights and sovereignty of the Russian Federation over these territories. And let them rent. But it’s not American military interests that Mr. Abe defends, hiding behind the Japanese flag?

[Demeter]

Give a finger to Japan, she will bite off her hand. These animals are not needed in Russia.

[33 Watcher]

Very correct approach, business. Politics separately, economics separately.

[Evgeniy667b]

In the 20-30s of the last century, the USSR granted Japan the right to share territories. Fish processing enterprises and fishing fleet bases were built. Nevertheless, the opposing side behaved arrogantly and unceremoniously. Give it a reason, everything will happen again, plus a limitation in the RF Pacific Fleet maneuver and various mattress advisers from the Japanese. Well, how without them? The issue should be resolved uniquely, strengthening and strengthening the Pacific Fleet and the RF Armed Forces in the Pacific region. And the proactive strengthening of military infrastructure on the disputed islands. Air Defense, RCC.
etc. And for adequacy, the Japanese fulfill the condition: Yankee Go Home !!!
Do not forget that Putin-Lavrov is one thing, but there are also shots like Dvorkovich.

[Anchonsha]

To give Japan islands or at least part of them, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will no longer be considered inland. And we can cooperate with the Japanese in any industry and this is not bad.

[Arktidianets]

Slowly, the Japanese come to understand that their ears are from the donkey, and not the Kuril Islands. And they don’t want to miss the benefits of cooperation

[newcomer]

an agreement on that and an agreement so that different points are written there, and not by the automatic machine “Sea of ​​Okhotsk for cook“. everything can be agreed upon. in the end, why did ours start all this? do you think this is a blunder of Soviet diplomacy, or are we more diplomats here than our diplomats?

[Tai]

The Japanese simply smacked that if they didn’t build anything here, they would build the Chinese and get the money, and they will remain with their national pride, but without the national money! Well, they decided to turn pride into a tube and put it at a known address, because grandmas decide everything))

[Basil50]

Why are the Japanese so enraged? Perhaps soon we will hear about Japanese Manchuria, but what about Manzhou-Guo was Japanese, and the Chinese there by 1945 almost all * Japaneseized *. The Japanese are Asians, in their mentality that if you are polite and well-mannered, it means weak and dependent, they are brought up like that today, which is why all excesses against RUSSIA arise. You see, the Japanese will make claims with even greater frenzy, and will come to military provocations. If there is no tough answer to Japanese performances, and this is not provided for in RUSSIA, then we will see provocations. Experience in the provocations of Japan does not hold.

[Megavolt]

Tokyo "will attempt to make progress on the Northern Territories issue"

... but it is called "hanging on the stake, we start all over again."

[vladimirvn]

.. "The Minister for the Development of the Far East, Alexander Galushka, during a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, promised 2 trillion investments in the Far East by the end of 2016, RIA Novosti reports. According to the minister, 1,03 has already been attracted to the region. RUB trillion
“To date, the total volume of attracted investments thanks to new mechanisms for the development of the Far East amounted to 1 trillion 30 billion rubles, of which 950 billion rubles are private investments and 80 billion rubles are government investments. Thus, the efficiency, the multiplier is one to twelve: we receive one ruble of budget funds, we attract 12 rubles of private investment, ”Galushka said ... http: //www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2016/05/ 04 / n_8591345.shtml

[antiexpert]

Question: What can a functionary of the puppet administration of the US aircraft carrier called "Japan" offer? Wanderers whose days are numbered? They have no other nishtyaks and never will. And if you consider that all the demarches of this country, which, on the orders of the naglokeks, has been fighting with terrible consequences with Russia for more than 100 years, are completely based on the creativity of the big brother, then they are only allowed to embellish the main meaning with a small national ornament.
And through this we comprehend that the whole meaning of the phrase "a new approach to solving the problem of the Kuril Islands" is nothing more than a judo technique aimed at discrediting Putin, creating another reason for anti-Putinism among the Russian Nazis. Not more than.
But they forgot that Putin himself is a master of judo, a Master with a capital letter)))

[CORNET]

Quote: antiexpert

But they forgot that Putin himself is a master of judo, a Master with a capital letter)))

Yes, they know and are afraid of Putin ... Annoying devils!

[Rostislav]

What other nafig new approaches?

We should be happy, not swear. The "new approach" lies in the fact that the Japanese have come to terms with the fact that these islands are forever ours. In words, they will continue to observe militant rhetoric, but in reality they have stopped remembering their "claims" and began to really discuss joint projects.
Just like Ukrainians - in words "no dealings with separatists", but in fact these contacts are encouraged, all "coal from South Africa" ​​is mined in Donetsk.

[vladimirvn]

I wonder how the puzzle-decision about the "Far Eastern hectare" fits into this mosaic of events?

[Berg194500]

They will answer us for the port of Arthur, the peace-loving Japanese .. And then they wonder why we violated the non-aggression pact at 45, but we also have to give them due as well — despite Hitler’s pressure to enter the war against the USSR, they showed enviable obstinacy. Pact not violated

[Demeter]

Japan fought with the USSR on Hassan and Khalkhin-Gol, and starting in 1941 without sinking the war sank Soviet transport ships, arranging constant armed provocations on the border. Under the Yalta agreement, Japan is obliged to give Hokkaido to Russia and it’s time to remind Japan of this, or even fear lost

[Berg194500]

I'm not talking about the hankhin-goal I say, I'm talking about the pact of 41, and the Yalta agreement was reached, as I understand it, without Japan))) like the partition of Poland by Germany and the USSR without Poland itself)))

[Berg194500]

I'm not talking about the hankhin-goal I say, I'm talking about the pact of 41, and the Yalta agreement was reached, as I understand it, without Japan))) like the partition of Poland by Germany and the USSR without Poland itself)))

[Cynic]

Quote: Berg194500

and the Yalta agreement was reached, as I understand it, without Japan)))

It would be strange if, at that moment, the Yusovites would have fought with her, but, by the way, it should be noted neither one nor the other, not for their own and not on their territory. PAN_AMERICA however, they did not pull the zaibatsu.

Quote: Berg194500

partition of Poland by Germany and the USSR without Poland itself)))

History is generally ungrateful when the empire was torn from the 17th onwards, the only Psheks restored, as it were, their profane statehood, well, and grab something to the heap.
Yes, when Poland and the Third Reich shared Czechoslovakia, her identity was not invited. Czechoslovakia essno.

[Demeter]

If Putin surrenders the Kuril Islands to Yapam, then let VON get out of Russia, to Judush Gorbachev, there they will be together just right, with the curse of the peoples of Russia.

[Cynic]

Quote: Demeter

If Putin hands over the Kuril Yaps, then

And if you don’t surrender, then where will you go?

[Obolensky]

I don’t understand why arrange dancing around this all? Are there any results of the war? There is. Is Japan the losing side? Loser. Well, why the hell to discuss some territories? Why the heck listen to what the defeated enemy has to offer? Or, after so many years, he suddenly became a "friend and partner"?

If they want to say to us that "until we return what we took in the war, then there will be no constructive dialogue." Good. It's your right. You can not talk to us, you can break off all political, economic and other relations with us. Who will feel bad about it? I do not know. Maybe you. Maybe for us. Or maybe it will be good for the country that is deliberately pushing for a conflict with Russia not for the first time. Maybe it's time to stop and think?

How much did England and other "former" colonial empires give away their lands? Yes, they just changed their status. And so everything is the same. So that...

Our ancestors collected these territories. So do not give them to us.

[Kurdalagon]

On February 8, 1944, at the Yalta Conference, Roosevelt guaranteed the return of the Kuril Islands and Southern Sakhalin if the USSR entered the war with Japan ... Did they enter the war? Have you won? All question is closed ...

[Verdun]

Tokyo has proposed a new approach to resolving the issue of "northern territories"

We know this approach. Old songs in a new way. As I already wrote in the comments, the Japanese are not so much interested in the islands as the adjacent shelf. And although I understand that a smile for a Japanese is a mask, it is very alarming to see it on the face of a Japanese minister. Disturbing thoughts creep into my head right away - what if in reality they quietly conceded something quietly?

[made13]

Yapi offer assistance in building infrastructure, which can then be used during the occupation, and this very occupation will facilitate - hospitals, airports, ports. Horseradish them walrus, not islands :-)

[Pitot]

Shish them. These nits have not yet been responsible for the atrocities committed in the Far East during the intervention. The earhooks are unfinished.

[avg-mgn]

Quote: wks

These islands are originally Russian, but we don’t take the fact that they are visible from Japan, so let them look.

Why don't we take it? Tourists go, look, take offense that they are not shown everything. To the question "shikoka?" get the answer - "no change!"

[Ros 56]

No smoked to the Japanese, otherwise these islands will become not Japanese, but American with the appropriate infrastructure in the form of military bases, which is not clear. Colonies cannot be independent. And you can’t compensate for them with any joint projects.

[Ros 56]

Here we have a Japanese agent wound up, minus all, and we have a miracle in the feathers on the drum.

[vladimirvn]

And here is the opinion of the Imperial newspaper. ".. Recently Gazprom offered Japan to build a gas pipeline ....
.If you do not take into account the border, it would not be an exaggeration to say that these are Japanese natural resources. Sakhalin gas was discovered in the 1980s by the efforts of a joint Russian-Japanese project. Gas reserves amount to 2,4 trillion cubic meters. Based on the volume of gas consumption throughout Japan, these reserves will be enough for 24 years ... http://inosmi.ru/economic/20160507/236444911.html

[16112014nk]

In vain did our guarantor discuss with the "partner" that which is not subject to discussion. Maybe first consult with your people?

[fif21]

Quote: 16112014nk

In vain did our guarantor discuss with the "partner" that which is not subject to discussion

The guarantor has turned into a huckster! Well, let him "rejoice".

[RUSS]

Quote: fif21

The guarantor has turned into a huckster! Well, let him "rejoice".

Why are you so covered? What do you drink then?

[fif21]

Quote: 16112014nk

Maybe first consult with your people?

We are for him, you know who He cares more about businessmen! Sell ​​in the interests of the budget and does not frown. It’s time to remove the pink glasses from the eyes, and it will be clear who is HU

[fif21]

Quote: 16112014nk

Maybe first consult with your people?

We are for him, you know who He cares more about businessmen! Sell ​​in the interests of the budget and does not frown. It’s time to remove the pink glasses from the eyes, and it will be clear who is HU

[K-50]

In parallel with the cooperation, Tokyo "will make attempts to achieve progress in resolving the issue of the" northern territories "(Kunashir, Shikotan, Iturup and Habomai islands)"

We have absolutely no problems with this. If the yupps have them, then let them break their thoughts. The sheriff's blacks don't care.
Yes, and pump a big pile on this peace treaty with the yupps. We lived 70 years without him and another five hundred will live quietly. If they cannot exist without it, then let them kill upsten, no one will cry much, neither Russia, nor neighbors, if only the mattress is removed, will survive.

[kush62]

“The Kuril Islands occupy a much more modest place in the list of discontent of an ordinary Japanese. At the same time, it is obvious that Japan’s American partners are much more comfortable if Japanese discontent is channeled and sent to Russia, with which the country has not yet signed a peace treaty following the end of World War II. The current visit of Japanese Prime Minister Abe to Russia, obviously, should be seen as a kind of compromise. On the one hand, the Kuril topic of the visit and the “new approach” to its “solution” are officially emphasized. On the other hand, it is obvious that it is pointless to spend the busy work schedule of the two leaders to discuss an issue, a compromise on which is hardly possible. Therefore, in fact, practical issues were discussed. First of all, the combination of Russian resources with Japanese technology and capital. A few years ago, before the Ukrainian crisis, Germany was considered Russia as such a partner. Now Japan could play the role of Germany with respect to Russia, ”Stanislav Byshok summarized.

Isn’t it better to read what political scientists write and not to come up with something. what was not.

[Pyokhar]

What can you read on the faces of the two statesmen who are captured in the photo of the theme? Japanese: “I’m so sudden, so smart!” From Putin: “Fuck you, not the Kuril Islands!”

[Basil50]

Well, hoping for such a reading of facial expressions is preferable; I wouldn’t want to be disappointed in: *Fuck you, not the Kuril Islands*.

[Pyokhar]

How else? There cannot be any other option, because it is not for nothing that the Russian Defense Ministry is developing the Kuril Islands.)) Or is this a move: we are building military bases in the Kuril Islands and giving them to the Japanese - both the Kuril Islands and the bases.)))) Hardly. So; "To hell with them, not the Kuril Islands."

[Donlomakin]

The Japanese have been waiting for the return of the islands for 71 years, so let them wait longer .

[v.yegorov]

For some reason, the innovations are somehow one-sided, purely for the raw materials colony. Machine tool factories and microelectronics production are not offered.

[avg-mgn]

in resolving the issue of the “northern territories” (the islands of Kunashir, Shikotan, Iturup and Habomai)...

there is only one answer: マグカないップを自分で (copy this and onto the translator), this is in a very polite translation (according to Lavrov): take a bite and take a bite")

[Victor1]

It becomes somehow scary after such “agreements”, taking into account all the internal policies being pursued by the liberals, enemies of the people, sitting in the Kremlin. These will be sold on the sly, like for rent, and hello...

And what kind of agreements can there be on our land, put an end to this issue and that’s it, but Putin and his gang mumble and pour water, come up with some slippery excuses. This is what causes fear and negativity, because... They can throw a dirty trick at any moment. Nobody will ask the people anything. It’s time to engage in domestic politics, and so that it is in favor of the Russian People and the Russian Land.

[Sigesmund]

Looking at Abe’s tie, the cocks begin to “peremoga.” Why, he stands in solidarity with Ukraine, which protects the whole world!

[From Udmurtia]

No one is going to give the islands to anyone. Without these islands, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk becomes free to visit by any country. Now the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is recognized as an inland sea of ​​Russia. No one is going to give the islands to anyone. Without these islands, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk becomes free to visit by any country. Now the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is recognized as an inland sea of ​​Russia.

[fleet]

We fought for Damansky - we gave it up, so are we really going to give up our territories for which our ancestors shed their blood!

[Cynic]

Quote: fleet

Fought for Damansky

How many guys went to bed...
Photo of it from the Chinese coast

[Trom]

“will make attempts to achieve progress in resolving the issue of the “northern territories” (the islands of Kunashir, Shikotan, Iturup and Habomai),” the newspaper writes.

We've had enough of it already.... If we don't have a signed peace treaty with them, then maybe we should (further see the quote) ""will make attempts to achieve progress in resolving the issue of the "SOUTHERN territories" (the islands of Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku and Kyushu)" , and let their newspaper write about it.

[lopvlad]

The transfer of any of the Kuril Islands to Japan will open a Pandora's box for Russia. In fact, any country whose territory was ceded to the USSR (Russia) as a result of the war will raise its own question about territories, and this will be the first to affect the territory of Kaliningrad.

[TsUS-Air Force]

I feel like the Japs will take over the Kuril Islands, and we will shout that Japan is just investing in our Kuril Islands. and in N years we will give them the islands!!!

[fif21]

GDP - if you surrender the Kuril Islands, you will receive the National Guard. Yes, you can apply for a pension yourself.

[fif21]

Maybe someone will remember how territories were given to China, how debts to countries (not very poor) were written off? Are others worse? How Europe screwed up - and who will be responsible for it? And we already have enough illusions! There are fewer and fewer Papuans in Russia. Zakharchenko for president! - My point of view, and Poklonskaya for prosecutors - she at least speaks of conscience and decency, but ours have only read about these concepts, and maybe they don’t know. To be honest, they were taken out by thieves! But their “roof” is held in high esteem, that’s the incident

[SklochPensioner]

Quote: fif21

To be honest, they were taken out by thieves! But their “roof” is held in high esteem, that’s the incident

fif21, how many of you there are these days!
What's happened? Chained to the keyboard?

[RUSS]

Quote: SklochPensioner

fif21, how many of you there are these days! What happened? Chained to the keyboard?

Looks like a spring flare-up

[max15243]

In my opinion, the only way for the Japanese to get these islands without a regional war (which could smoothly develop into a third world war) is to build infrastructure (roads, ports, enterprises), and then organize a referendum on the separation of these islands from Russia. To do this, in the current international situation, you don’t need much, the main thing is time and money. The precedent with the separation of Kosovo was created for long-term (for decades) pressure on Russia, and even though we took advantage of it for our own benefit (South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Crimea), but who can predict what will happen in ten, twenty, fifty years. We already have a number of problem regions (the Caucasus).
PS: The story of arbitrariness, when people were not paid wages at an enterprise in the Far East, is indicative.

[emeldos2]

Why didn't the JAPANESE raise another question? if RUSSIA gives up one island under a document for 100 years. before the United States leaves the continent. can they be pledged??? Once a hundred years have passed, the new treaty will have passed. Thus, history in the minds of the Japanese should change. these are books and a school where they were bombed by the Americans. The USA changed their history to mean that we bombed them and took away the islands...