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Karakayev on the future deployment of Sarmat missiles

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The Sarmat missile system will replace the Voevod in the Uzhur division and the Dombarovsky positional area, reports RIA News Post press service of the Strategic Missile Forces.


Karakayev on the future deployment of Sarmat missiles


“Speaking of prospects, it should be noted that the development of a mine-based Sarmat missile complex with a heavy rocket that will replace Voevod in the Uzhur missile division and the Dombarovsky positional area is already being completed,”
quoted by the press service of the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces Sergey Karakaev.

He also said that by 2022 g the share of new weapons in the Strategic Missile Forces will be 100%.

“According to the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, the share of new missile systems in the Strategic Missile Forces group will constantly increase. Today it is already 56%. The supreme commander set us the task to bring the share of modern missiles to 2022% by 100 year, ”the release says.
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press service of the Strategic Missile Forces
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 7 May 2016 10: 02
    +24
    The Sarmat missile system will replace the Voivode

    After such news, the soul somehow becomes calmer ... otherwise NATO and the USA are already fussing at our borders ... angry get on your nerves.
    1. kimyth1
      kimyth1 7 May 2016 10: 11
      +26
      Rather, it would still BZHRK went on duty !!!
      1. Comrade Schucher
        Comrade Schucher 7 May 2016 10: 18
        +5
        He also said that by 2022 g the share of new weapons in the Strategic Missile Forces will be 100%.

        In short, our Western "partners" have little time left - if they do not attack us, Russia, in the near future, their future will look sad ...
        It will be like a jump from the fifth floor - even if they survive, then they will remain crippled forever.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 7 May 2016 10: 25
          +8
          Quote: Comrade Schucher
          In short, our Western "partners" have little time left - if they do not attack us, Russia, in the near future, their future will look sad ...

          Just the opposite, attack us, so immediately the pale look and pasta gait, and so meticulously thrive
          1. Comrade Schucher
            Comrade Schucher 7 May 2016 10: 31
            +4
            Quote: Tusv
            Just the opposite, attack us, so immediately the pale look and pasta gait, and so meticulously thrive

            Well this is how the card will fall ...
            Now they still have insignificant chances of somehow seriously damaging them, and in the long term - the fate of the garbage fly, which did not dodge the fly swatter.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 7 May 2016 10: 43
              -1
              Quote: Comrade Schucher
              Well this is how the card will fall.

              Bito, for all cards. Four aces and two jokers or trump adidas
        2. g1v2
          g1v2 7 May 2016 13: 06
          +5
          It's a pity - the deadlines have shifted by 2 years. They were planning to reach 2020 percent by 100. But what to do. Man assumes, but God disposes. request
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 7 May 2016 13: 15
            +8
            Quote: g1v2
            It's a pity - the deadlines have shifted by 2 years. They were planning to reach 2020 percent by 100. But what to do. Man assumes, but God disposes. request

            The ICBM of the Sarmat-rocket is unique. Besides the object 4202 is integrated into it, which makes it hyper sonic and maneuvering on all segments of the flight, it will also be able to hit through both poles, which cannot upset the impossibility of mattresses. And so Sarmat is good flew, passed the adversary’s missile defense system and was able to do what was claimed, it’s definitely not worth the haste. But you should not forget that Voivod’s lasted for the last time.
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 7 May 2016 14: 13
              +9
              Nexus I know all this, but this is a rocket that should never be used. Its main purpose is to exist and to gaze at another continent. The old governor, too, was suitable for this. But now, of course, we must already speed up the adoption of troops and the deployment to the Sarmatian database. For we still have about 42 governors of 10 bg each and in order to have time to replace them with the Sarmatians before the end of their service life, we must already begin the replacement in the near future. This is really a necessity, not a luxury like Barguzin. hi
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 7 May 2016 15: 30
                +4
                Quote: g1v2
                The old governor, too, was suitable for this.

                It doesn’t fit already. Firstly, the modern missile defense system doesn’t stand still. And secondly, the hypothyl is extremely caustic and dangerous, and the Voivode’s life will not be extended to infinity.
                not luxury like Barguzin.

                Barguzin is not a luxury, but the same need as Sarmat. And it as a deterrent is no worse than Sarmat or Voivode, and in some cases it is better to track them is extremely problematic.
                1. g1v2
                  g1v2 7 May 2016 16: 49
                  +2
                  If we do not have time to replace the governors with Sarmatians, then about 420 warheads will fall out of balance. These are not poplars with one warhead per missile. And the balance will shift strongly in favor of the states. If we don't accept Barguzin, nothing will change at all. When the "fellow" was removed from service, the balance was not damaged. This is a weapon that should not be used. Its purpose is simply to be. request The production of Barguzin will not change the ratio of syas between us and the states.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 7 May 2016 17: 05
                    +3
                    Quote: g1v2
                    The production of Barguzin will not change the ratio of syas between us and the states.

                    It will change: either Boundaries or Yars will be put on Barguzin, and these missiles can also pass the missile defense of any adversary.The main plus of the BZHRK is their secrecy and problems in tracking. Yes, and there is a replacement of mobile Topol with Yars, and later, I believe on Boundaries.
                    Now take a look at how the mattresses are doing, and exactly when was the last time they modernized their ICBMs?
                    As for Sarmat and the replacement of the Voivode ... so in the General Staff, I think no fools are sitting and understand what's what. At the same time, increasing the CD carriers and the number of CDs themselves too.
            2. dima mzk
              dima mzk 10 May 2016 05: 43
              0
              Will be transported somewhere! Unas is now constantly something unexpected. they monitor for "Sarmat" and then from the other side "Voevoda" went
        3. demchuk.ig
          demchuk.ig 7 May 2016 14: 37
          +1
          Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER
          It will be like a jump from the fifth floor - even if they survive, then they will remain crippled forever.

          I think they’ve been crippled for a long time!
        4. D24081973
          D24081973 7 May 2016 14: 56
          0
          you, my friend, believe less propaganda, this is now while the "voivods" are in office, they cannot twitch
        5. The comment was deleted.
        6. Ostwest
          Ostwest 9 May 2016 15: 16
          +2
          In vain you are deceived by the philanthropy of the fucking Western partners. They would not hesitate for a minute in deciding to attack and destroy Russia, if not for our strategic nuclear forces. Their first blow will be terrifying, many of our people will perish, but the retaliatory strike for them will be sizzling and will finally solve the vile fate of the parasites. There will be no USA, no Germany, no England. Poland may disappear, etc. All sources of aggression against Russia will be eliminated, they know this and ONLY such a course of events stops real aggressors. The thousand-year-old question of their focus on our destruction will be resolved.
          It would be good for us to smite now, taking advantage of the situation of their weakness, which arose because of their arrogant expectation, to finally solve the Russian question by sending a Cossack, such as YOBN or Mechny, but there is Putin, they have nothing to hope for, and also, we NEVER attacked first, in this is our historical and moral position.
          So that they have a chance to live peacefully, and we do not mind, no matter how they do it. Let them live with the thought that we forgive them their weakness, and this thought will warm us so much as to irritate them.
          Glory to the Russian weapons and its heroic Army and Navy, the best friends of RUSSIA.
      2. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 7 May 2016 13: 50
        +2
        The whole world is in ruin. But later)
      3. cap
        cap 7 May 2016 15: 26
        +4
        Quote: The same Lech
        The Sarmat missile system will replace the Voivode

        After such news, the soul somehow becomes calmer ... otherwise NATO and the USA are already fussing at our borders ... angry get on your nerves.

        Quote: kimyth1
        Rather, it would still BZHRK went on duty !!!


        This is where the "hurry" is necessary.
        This is "medicine" for the mentally ill in NATO and in the States especially.
        bzhrkbzhrk
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 7 May 2016 10: 51
      +5
      Quote: The same Lech
      The Sarmat missile system will replace the Voivode

      "Sarmat" will never fully replace "Voevoda". This is a different class of missiles. The hundred-ton "Sarmat" can replace a similar missile RS-18 (Stiletto), which is not bad! Let me remind you that the weight of the "Voevoda" is 211 tons! There is no such missile in the world and never has been. It is a pity that it was not produced by us, but by our Ukrainian partners from Yuzhmash.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 7 May 2016 11: 07
        +2
        That's it! With Satan it would be calmer for us, and even modernized (http://yandex.ru/video/search?filmId=_Ok4SOPsUXI&text= satan%20 rocket
        and & path = wizard). So far this is only an advance, albeit a good one, towards strategic parity. The truth is that with the arsenal that we and the United States possess, the one who will strike first will always have an advantage. The factor of surprise. And therefore it is impossible to relax, hat-inspiring moods need to be thrown out of the head. If we succumb to a sudden blow, then the comfort of the fact that we can answer, as it will not be very pleasing.
        1. Ostwest
          Ostwest 9 May 2016 15: 42
          0
          The winner is the one who takes the counter-strike. The first one loses, the mattresses know this and this is the only reason for their peacefulness.
      2. Proud.
        Proud. 7 May 2016 11: 46
        +9
        Quote: Proxima
        It is unfortunate that it was not produced by us, but by our Ukrainian partners from Yuzhmash.

        No. It is WE. The people living in the USSR. Specialists with a capital letter. "Satan" was created with the help of cooperation of many enterprises of the USSR. Yes, the contribution of the Yuzhnoye design bureau is great ... BUT! When the design bureau was created, specialists were sent there from all over the country. It was then that they created their own School. As an example:
        In June 1979, the Yuzhnoye design bureau developed a technical proposal for the Voevoda missile system with a heavy liquid ICBM of the fourth generation under the 15A17 index. The draft design of the missile complex with the R-36M2 Voevoda ICBM (the ICBM index was changed to 15A18M in order to ensure compliance with the requirements of the SALT-2 Treaty) was developed in June 1982.
        When creating the complex, the following cooperation of enterprises was formed:
        PO Southern Machine-Building Plant (Dnepropetrovsk) - manufacturing of rockets;
        PO "Avangard" (Safonovo, Smolensk region) - manufacturing of a transport and launch container;
        KB "Electropriborostroeniya" (Kharkov) - development of a missile control system;
        NPO Rotor (Lyubertsy) - development of a complex of command devices;
        Design Bureau of the Arsenal plant (Leningrad) - development of an aiming system;
        KB "Energomash" (Khimki) - development of the first stage engine of the rocket;
        Design Bureau of Chemical Engineering (Voronezh) - development of a second stage rocket engine;
        KBSM (Leningrad) - development of a combat launch complex;
        TsKBTM (Moscow) - development of a command post;
        GOKB "Prozhektor" (Moscow) - development of a power supply system;
        NPO Impulse (Leningrad) - development of a remote control and monitoring system;
        KBTKhM (Moscow) - development of a fueling system.
        Monitoring the implementation of the tactical and technical requirements of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR was carried out by the military representative offices of the Customer.
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 7 May 2016 12: 06
          +1
          Quote: Be proud.
          Quote: Proxima
          It is unfortunate that it was not produced by us, but by our Ukrainian partners from Yuzhmash.

          No. It is WE. The people living in the USSR. Specialists with a capital letter. "Satan" was created with the help of cooperation of many enterprises of the USSR. Yes, the contribution of the Yuzhnoye design bureau is great ... BUT! When the design bureau was created, specialists were sent there from all over the country. It was then that they created their own School.

          I agree with your every word! But the fact remains - the production of such missiles as Zenit, Satan (peaceful version of Dnepr), R-36 orb Scarp (civilian version of Cyclone) IS LOST FOR RUSSIA FOREVER, despite the lion's share of domestic components ...
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 7 May 2016 12: 57
          +9
          Quote: Be proud.
          The people living in the USSR. Specialists with a capital letter. "Satan" was created with the help of the cooperation of many enterprises in the USSR.

          The people of the USSR created the P-36M2 "Voyevoda". And Satan is the nickname given to this ICBM mattresses. Call the product by its real name, not a nickname. This is not respect for the work of Soviet designers and people in general taking part in its development.
          1. Proud.
            Proud. 7 May 2016 16: 30
            +5
            Quote: NEXUS
            The people of the USSR created the P-36M2 "Voyevoda". And Satan is the nickname given to this ICBM mattresses. Call the product by its real name, not a nickname. This is not respect for the work of Soviet designers and people in general taking part in its development.

            I agree. It was wrong hi
        3. Ostwest
          Ostwest 9 May 2016 15: 47
          -2
          You are very literate along the way. Why post information that may be useful to our zrushniki, even if they are in the know .. I’m not talking about subscription. A talker is a godsend for a spy, no one has canceled the motto.
      3. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 7 May 2016 11: 54
        0
        Quote: Proxima
        Let me remind you that the weight of the "Voevoda" is 211 tons! T

        Weight is just the problem, 211 tons are gaining speed more slowly at launch, there is no flat trajectory and developed modern means of overcoming missile defense (well, maybe false goals).
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 7 May 2016 12: 28
          0
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          Quote: Proxima
          Let me remind you that the weight of the "Voevoda" is 211 tons! T

          Weight is just the problem, 211 tons gain speed more slowly at launch

          The set of speed of the "Satan" is quite comparable to the acceleration of the "Stiletto". Watch at your leisure video how "Satan" takes off from the mine using a mortar launch.
        2. electrooleg
          electrooleg 8 May 2016 16: 03
          0
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          Well, maybe false goals


          Yes, it is charged today with restrictions in connection with the subscription of documents. A fully charged it should simply fall asleep from space with combat and false blocks an entire staff. And go figure it out where the false head is and where the warhead is.
        3. Operator
          Operator 8 May 2016 22: 21
          -1
          The total thrust of the Voevoda first-stage engines is 400 tons, the thrust-to-weight ratio is close to 2.
      4. Ride78
        Ride78 7 May 2016 12: 02
        -1
        It also seems to me that we are simply being disarmed under the guise of modernization.
      5. NEXUS
        NEXUS 7 May 2016 12: 54
        +4
        Quote: Proxima
        "Sarmat" will never fully replace "Voevoda".

        It’s for some reason that Sarmat is being developed to replace the Governor.
        Quote: Proxima
        The hundred-ton "Sarmat" can replace a similar missile RS-18 (Stiletto), which is not bad! Let me remind you that the weight of the "Voevoda" is 211 tons!

        Where is the firewood from? Sarmat’s weight is not yet known. There is different information from 100 to 200 tons. But the weight does not matter here. The range is the same (or maybe more) as Voivode’s, the Sarmat warhead is not inferior to the P-36M2. The class is the same heavy mine-based ICBMs.
        In addition, the Voivode’s service life has been extended three times ... the last time until the 20th year. Further extension is dangerous and pointless.
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 7 May 2016 13: 45
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          Where is the firewood from? Sarmat’s weight is not yet known. There is different information from 100 to 200 tons. But the weight here does not matter.

          There are still a lot of things that have not been revealed about Sarmatia, but what is absolutely certain is 2 positions: the rocket will be on the LRE and the weight of the rocket will be within 100 tons. Open any normal source and see. And the fact that the Sarmatian warhead will be the same as that of Satan - you also can not even dream about it. There are no miracles in rocket technology.
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 7 May 2016 14: 24
            +3
            Fuel, for example, can be more efficient, which means it needs less for the same warhead weight as on the Voivode, and the mass of the carrier itself is less. And these are not miracles, but progress.
            1. Captain nemo
              Captain nemo 7 May 2016 15: 53
              0
              Quote: fzr1000
              Fuel, for example, can be more efficient, which means it needs less for the same warhead weight as on the Voivode, and the mass of the carrier itself is less. And these are not miracles, but progress.

              On solid fuels, we can and will have a jerk of 10% in efficiency. On liquid vryatli that you can still come up with more efficiently from the existing one.
              Liquid fuels are probably the kind of technology where the theoretical limit has been reached anywhere else in the 70-80s.
              At least in the 90s, I came across an article saying that for rocket technology (ISS satellites) you can come up with something 5-7%.
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            3. Proxima
              Proxima 7 May 2016 16: 33
              0
              Quote: fzr1000
              Fuel, for example, can be more efficient, which means it needs less for the same warhead weight as on the Voivode, and the mass of the carrier itself is less. And these are not miracles, but progress.

              Don't tell fairy tales here. The efficiency of any traditional fuel pair has been tested far and wide back in the 60s. Don't expect "progress" here. Sarmat is not going to fly on photon engines.
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 7 May 2016 18: 12
                0
                Decilin M. Acetam. It is a pity that those who launched them into production do not know that you already know everything about fuel for a long time.
                1. Proxima
                  Proxima 7 May 2016 19: 13
                  0
                  Quote: fzr1000
                  Decilin M. Acetam. It is a pity that those who launched them into production do not know that you already know everything about fuel for a long time.

                  Well, understand at least a little on the topic of the question before "discussing". In Sarmat, as well as in the Voevoda, heptyl-amyl steam serves as fuel. For you, is this a revelation?
                  1. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 7 May 2016 20: 29
                    +1
                    I told you that fuel has been modernizing since the 60s. This may be a solution to the problem. And what will happen to Sarmat I can not know, except from open sources.

                    Ps your manner of "discussing" is boorish.
                    1. Proxima
                      Proxima 7 May 2016 22: 40
                      0
                      Quote: fzr1000

                      Ps your manner of "discussing" is boorish.

                      Sorry.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 7 May 2016 15: 37
            +1
            Quote: Proxima
            rocket weight within 100 tons

            Oh well! There are a lot of rumors about Sarmat’s mass, but one thing is certain that everything is secret. But it’s absolutely certain that the Sarmatian class will be a heavy ICBM, which means from 105 to 200 tons.
            Quote: Proxima
            And the fact that the Sarmatian warhead will be the same as that of Satan - you also can not even dream about it. There are no miracles in rocket technology.

            Wait and see.
        2. D24081973
          D24081973 7 May 2016 15: 10
          -2
          you were told in fact, these are different missiles, the "voivode" the mass of the warhead is 8,8 tons, the "sarmatian" in spite of all the secrecy, I will tell you that there will be no half, and you all your boo-boo-boo
        3. D24081973
          D24081973 7 May 2016 15: 10
          -2
          you were told in fact, these are different missiles, the "voivode" the mass of the warhead is 8,8 tons, the "sarmatian" in spite of all the secrecy, I will tell you that there will be no half, and you all your boo-boo-boo
      6. Kite
        Kite 7 May 2016 14: 22
        0
        Quote: Proxima
        it was not produced by us, but by our Ukrainian partners from Yuzhmash.

        - there remained technological documentation (to be more precise, you want to be understood). We did it! But this project is aging, and Yuzhmash can’t update anything for a long time.
  2. Tusv
    Tusv 7 May 2016 10: 11
    +25
    I don’t see anything bad about rattling nuclear weapons. Our ancestors paid too expensive a price for us to speak Russian
    1. User
      User 7 May 2016 15: 46
      +1
      Nuclear weapons are the same "nuclear shield". And in addition to guaranteeing a retaliatory strike against the aggressor, it is more important that the aggressor was in the know this blow. Bringing information of this kind (ie, saber-rattling) to all kinds of "partners" is the deterrent factor in the third world war.
  3. avvg
    avvg 7 May 2016 10: 13
    +5
    We always do not have enough time, the enemy is at the gates of Russia, we hope that this time will be in time.
  4. kursk87
    kursk87 7 May 2016 10: 14
    +4
    Today, Russian nuclear missiles are a cold shower for the hot heads of western hawks!
  5. Pitot
    Pitot 7 May 2016 10: 16
    +16
    But it will be even calmer for me when "raspberries" are the USA and impudence, where murderers, hypocrites, hucksters and just enemies of the human race swarm (and how else to call them, those who impose homosexuality, drug addiction, produce murderers all over the World) - will be erased from the face of our unfortunate planet.
    1. Comrade Schucher
      Comrade Schucher 7 May 2016 10: 36
      +4
      Quote: Pitot
      will be wiped off the face of our miserable planet.

      This is already hygiene - you have to fight with parasites ... locally - with conventional weapons, and in case of a large accumulation of "parasites" you can also use Nuclear (but it is advisable to abstain, Gaia is already well protected).
  6. weksha50
    weksha50 7 May 2016 10: 37
    +4
    "by 2022, the share of new weapons in the Strategic Missile Forces will be 100%"...

    Not bad ... If NATO outperforms our Armed Forces in conventional armaments, but at least in the main - defensive-offensive armament - they (USA-NATO) are again in the tail ...

    And the location of the "Sarmat" in Uzhur and Dombarovka ... Let the US think that THIS is not against them either ... It's just that the time of approaching the supposedly Kamchatka training ground is shorter ... Like their missile defense system, it is not against Russia .. ...
  7. atamankko
    atamankko 7 May 2016 10: 42
    +3
    Another NATO message "... think well ...".
    1. The Little Humpbacked Horse
      The Little Humpbacked Horse 7 May 2016 11: 01
      0
      Quote: atamankko
      Another NATO message "... think well ...".


      And what kind of promise is interesting, in the same article above it is written that development is ending, that is, there are still no missiles
  8. Zomanus
    Zomanus 7 May 2016 10: 47
    +2
    I read somewhere that the "window of opportunity" for an attack on Russia "closes" in 2018.
    That is, after 2018, it’s better not to look at us sideways.)))
    And yes, what about the Barguzin?
    And the fact that the new complexes take up duty, so they replace complexes that are removed from duty. We have now for a long time still the supply of equipment to the troops, navy and aviation will go not for growth, but to compensate for the decrease in the quantity.
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 7 May 2016 11: 42
      +2
      Now what, can we attack without consequences? IMHO can only shit from the quiet ...
  9. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 7 May 2016 10: 51
    +3
    Everything goes in a bundle and as it should. We will not scare different crazy black monkeys from the USA and the NATO leadership in the smelly geyrop, but let them know that they put us in such a position that they themselves will rake it in 5-7 years
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 May 2016 11: 03
    +3
    Warheads and the tactics of their use are being improved. So super-heavy "Voevods" are normally replaced by new "Sarmats". The defeat of the enemy is guaranteed. It's just that the warheads have become lighter with the same power. And the fact that the Strategic Missile Forces will be completely renewed in 6 years cannot but rejoice. So - beware, foe.
  11. cergey51046
    cergey51046 7 May 2016 11: 06
    +2
    The main thing is that there are more and faster. Where to put it makes no difference, just to get the enemies. Enemies in the person of NATO themselves are closer to make it easier to beat them. Just do not forget the enemy number one (USA), so that they do not get out and bear, for all that they have done. Let on your skin feel all the charms of Jeroshima and Nagasaki.
    1. Bogdarin
      Bogdarin 7 May 2016 14: 21
      +1
      Herosima wassat delivers. In the case of the worldwide kipisha, everyone will feel everything on their "skin". It is in order that no one has a desire - there must be such (Voevoda, Sarmat) pacifiers.
  12. CORNET
    CORNET 7 May 2016 11: 16
    +1
    We have not far from here abandoned (from the cursed 90s) rocket mines (Satan was on duty) .... I think they can be restored quickly, the marauders could not pick them!
  13. Old26
    Old26 7 May 2016 11: 26
    +1
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    After such news, the soul somehow becomes calmer


    Actually, this is far enough. Something is not heard that "Sarmat" passed at least throw tests, although they were planned for March this year. LEE were supposed to start in July-August 2016. What does this mean? It is now May, that is, the delay is at least 2-3 months. That is, the beginning of the flight is shifted by a couple of months, that is, to the beginning of 2017. Accordingly, into service - somewhere in 2019-2020.
    So unfortunately not very soon.

    Quote: kimyth1
    Rather, it would still BZHRK went on duty !!!

    Before that even further. And a lot more work. It is necessary to create a complex, and this is not only a rocket, but also rolling stock. And most importantly - PPD. The old ones are completely destroyed. So the database will be no earlier than 2022-2025

    Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER
    In short, our Western "partners" have little time left - if they do not attack us, Russia, in the near future, their future will look sad ...

    What immediate attack are you talking about? In the West, and indeed in the USA, what are suicides? Given such a nuclear potential as ours, and even our adversary’s, what kind of war can we talk about? The enemy is also not going to withdraw his nuclear weapons from his armament and regularly upgrades it.

    Quote: Pitot
    But it will be even calmer for me when "raspberries" are the USA and impudence, where murderers, hypocrites, hucksters and just enemies of the human race swarm (and how else to call them, those who impose homosexuality, drug addiction, produce murderers all over the World) - will be erased from the face of our unfortunate planet.

    Generally worth being realistic. Or do you think that these countries will be wiped off the face of the planet, and we will be in chocolate?
    1. Ostwest
      Ostwest 9 May 2016 16: 19
      0
      Or do you think that these countries will be wiped off the face of the planet, and we will be in chocolate? [/ Quote]

      Exactly. The mattresses held model games of the future war and the result did not suit them:
      They are completely destroyed, Russia is in radioactive contamination, but there is a clean territory and about 30 of the surviving population.
      There is no information about Geyropa.
      Our task is to increase the remaining population and reduce radioactive damage, which means we need weapons even faster, more precisely, even more inconspicuously, to develop missile defense, nuclear weapons, conventional weapons and their use schemes, which is being done today.
      If you want peace, prepare for war, the ancients said, and nothing has changed so far.
  14. Mercenary
    Mercenary 7 May 2016 11: 31
    +3
    Good rockets are powerful, accurate, etc. but one big (-) mine based, (on any stand still). Urgently revive rocket trains! And the whole adversary doctrine of the "Preventive (preemptive) strike" is down the drain! bully
    1. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 7 May 2016 16: 17
      +2
      Quote: Mercenary
      Good rockets are powerful, accurate, etc. but one big (-) mine base, (anyway stand still).

      There is one big plus with these missiles - they have the most advanced system for overcoming missile defense and accuracy, compared with all other mobile ICBMs.
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  15. Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 May 2016 11: 36
    -3
    They made me happy, from me to Dombarovka about a hundred kilometers, I myself produced barbecue kebabs at one abandoned point of firewood with shuryak. It is unlikely that they will restore, as some people think. Enough of those that remained in service, and given the increased capabilities of new missiles and existing behind the eyes. The main thing is to get away in time in case of emergency. I thought that the rest would be shot, in the sense that they would launch with satellites instead of warheads and that would be the end of it, but here it’s for you, they’ve changed the price for soap.
  16. Old26
    Old26 7 May 2016 11: 59
    +2
    Quote: Mercenary
    Good rockets are powerful, accurate, etc. but one big (-) mine based, (on any stand still). Urgently revive rocket trains! And the whole adversary doctrine of the "Preventive (preemptive) strike" is down the drain! bully

    This BIG MINUS there is one HUGE PLUS. Security of silos is an order of magnitude higher than that of mobile systems. It’s not without reason that the adversary allocates an outfit from one silo two 475 ct charges.

    The revival of trains? Is there such a need for it? Especially with such a composition configuration, as proposed now? After all, a defeat (even indirect) of the composition disables REGIMENT with 6 rockets

    Especially. In the USSR they planned 7 divisions, and deployed 3and the latter was without some structures that were on others and on the TO formations had to be driven into divisions on the European part. Now planning ONE the division. By the number of BG, it will be equal to the old. And in terms of mobility and flexibility of use, it seems to be worse than the old ...
    1. Ostwest
      Ostwest 9 May 2016 16: 32
      0
      Two charges must first be puzzled. And then any train of pulmans, of which there are thousands across Russia carrying civilian cargo, can be taken for any purpose. There are not enough two charges in Russia to shoot the pulmans.
      And where to shoot? The average speed of 60 km., Can stop, where to shoot?
      The mattresses wanted such a toy, but they didn’t master it, so they figure out how to dissuade us. Not convincing, on the contrary ..
      I can imagine what shooting will be on the railway. networks with an efficiency of 1%. Also good for us.
  17. Old26
    Old26 7 May 2016 12: 57
    +4
    Quote: Proxima
    "Sarmat" will never fully replace "Voevoda". This is a different class of missiles. The hundred-ton "Sarmat" can replace a similar missile RS-18 (Stiletto), which is not bad! Let me remind you that the weight of the "Voevoda" is 211 tons! There is no such missile in the world and never has been. It is a pity that it was not produced by us, but by our Ukrainian partners from Yuzhmash.

    And where did you get the idea that "Sarmat" will have a launch weight of 100 tons? Only two things are known with certainty about him:
    1. This is a heavy rocket
    2. This is a hundred-ton class rocket.


    Under the treaties, a heavy rocket is a rocket with a launch weight of more than 105 tons or a throw weight of 6 kg. This means that the starting weight of the "Sarmat" will be more than 4,35 tons.
    And the very definition of a 100-ton class means that the starting weight can be from 100 to 199 tons. And taking into account the definition of "heavy" - then from 105,6 to 199 tons. Therefore, the starting weight can be 140 and 160 tons.
  18. Bort radist
    Bort radist 7 May 2016 12: 58
    +3
    I had to be in the Uzhur part. (Khakassia) As local officers said - Nobody knows our town in Russia, but they know us very well in Washington. yes
    1. minus
      minus 7 May 2016 18: 14
      +3
      Since when did Uzhur become related to Khakassia ???? There was always Krasnoyarsk Territory !!!
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 7 May 2016 19: 14
        0
        Quote: Minus
        Since when did Uzhur become related to Khakassia ???? There was always Krasnoyarsk Territory !!!

        Sorry, Krasnoyarsk! I often traveled to Shira through Uzhur. From Uzhur you leave and the thought - "Well, that's Khakassia." There, after Sharypovo, there are steppes and hills. In general, the subconscious failed. request
  19. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 7 May 2016 14: 59
    +2
    I am warm from such news! And someone throws in the cold!
  20. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 7 May 2016 15: 02
    +2
    Great news! This kind of news chills hotheads well.
  21. Old26
    Old26 7 May 2016 15: 19
    -1
    Quote: Aandrewsir
    Great news! This kind of news chills hotheads well.

    Yeah, cool. so cool that from next year a new modification of the Trident D5 - Trident D5LE with Mk-6 instead of Mk-4 / 4A / 5.A will be put into service with the US Navy next year - a new SLBM Trident E2020 and new ICBM "Minuteman-2022". So don't rely on being cooled
    1. cap
      cap 7 May 2016 15: 55
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Aandrewsir
      Great news! This kind of news chills hotheads well.

      Yeah, cool. so cool that from next year a new modification of the Trident D5 - Trident D5LE with Mk-6 instead of Mk-4 / 4A / 5.A will be put into service with the US Navy next year - a new SLBM Trident E2020 and new ICBM "Minuteman-2022". So don't rely on being cooled


      So they cool if they are preparing to upgrade the old to the new.
  22. cap
    cap 7 May 2016 15: 51
    +1
    We look. What is really there. (Open image)
  23. Bramb
    Bramb 7 May 2016 15: 55
    +1
    Block Pride. To avoid ... He will be better.

    PS. I. Campaign, I’ve crossed paths with several comrades in real life, judging by their reports ...)))
    You, this ... be careful. Huh? You yourself understand: such words are allowed in peacetime, and how it starts (God forbid) they will find you first. With all the consequences ...
    Well, we won’t die without the third world war. With us, she will be. ((
  24. 31rus2
    31rus2 7 May 2016 16: 13
    +2
    Dear, read your comments and the question arises, you are talking about America, but you don’t know your own. In 2014, Russia invented a new fuel specifically for liquid-propellant rocket engines, which is many times superior in all parameters (including harmfulness), which was previously in service, one more touch, blocks "Sarmat" in flight can change speed, this is all that is known from official sources
    1. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 7 May 2016 16: 31
      0
      Quote: 31rus2
      and you don’t know yours in 2014 in Russia, a new fuel was invented specifically for the liquid propellant rocket engine many times superior in all respects (including harmfulness), which was previously in service

      Vryatli, which was created from solid fuels for Russian Railways, which is energetically superior to liquid fuels for heavy ICBMs.
  25. Old26
    Old26 7 May 2016 19: 58
    +1
    Quote: NEXUS
    The ICBM of the Sarmat-rocket is unique. In addition to being integrated into the 4202 object, which makes it hyper sonic and maneuvering on all segments of the flight, it will also be able to hit through both poles, which cannot upset the impossibility of mattresses.

    Original. A prototype (essentially a model) is integrated into a non-existent rocket to test the capabilities - that's cool. And what, the presence of 4202 on "Sarmat" makes it maneuverable in all areas, incl. and OUT ?? The ballistic missile's ability to hit through the pole is close to zero, the missile must be suborbital. In addition, if the power of the engines is even enough for this, then the thrown weight will be almost three times less than that of a ballistic one that shoots through the North Pole. and all these possibilities were voiced by the former deputy minister of trade, now the deputy minister of defense. And he said the wrong thing. We have already discussed his "statements"

    Quote: g1v2
    For we still have about 42 governors of 10 bg

    Forty six

    Quote: g1v2
    If we do not have time to replace the voivode with the Sarmatians, then approximately 420 warheads will fall out of balance.

    What is it for? And we will not put missiles on duty at all?

    Quote: NEXUS
    The people of the USSR created the P-36M2 "Voyevoda". And Satan is the nickname given to this ICBM mattresses. Call the product by its real name, not a nickname.

    Actually, this is not a nickname, but a codename given by our enemy. Moreover, "Satan" does not refer to the R-36M2 Voevoda missile, but to the entire family of R-36M - R-36M UTTH - R-36M2 missiles, refers to the entire ten modifications of this rocket

    Quote: Proxima
    There are still a lot of things that have not been revealed about Sarmatia, but what is absolutely certain is 2 positions: the rocket will be on the LRE and the weight of the rocket is within 100 tons

    I have already answered this question. The first is yes, the second is not a fact

    Quote: cap
    So they cool if they are preparing to upgrade the old to the new.

    This is an endless process. What do they have, what do we have.

    Quote: cap
    We look. What is really there. (Open image)

    Material from the OBS series. The configuration is unclear, it is only known that there will be 6 launchers.

    Quote: 31rus2
    but you don’t know your own. In 2014, Russia invented a new fuel specifically for liquid-propellant rocket engines many times superior in all respects (including harmfulness), which was previously in service, one more touch, the Sarmat blocks in flight can change speed, that's all for now what is known from official sources

    Oh well, so many times superior? Even the most advanced fuel pair LH2-LOX surpasses a pair of heptyl-amyl by ten percent, but not at times
    In fact, all blocks can change speed, downward. And the "Sarmat" blocks are not able to do anything yet. They do not exist yet, as well as missiles yet. And what they are now trying to test are not warheads, but an experimental and experimental product, a prototype that may one day become blocks
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 7 May 2016 20: 10
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      A prototype (essentially a model) is integrated into a non-existent missile to test capabilities - that's cool.

      What is it that doesn’t exist? Tests were soon to be put on duty ... And the fact that they did not report to you and did not put the drawings on the table, so I'm sorry, they only say what they can say.
      Quote: Old26
      Actually, this is not a nickname, but a codename given by our enemy. Moreover, "Satan" does not refer to the R-36M2 Voevoda missile, but to the entire family of R-36M - R-36M UTTH - R-36M2 missiles, refers to the entire ten modifications of this rocket

      Excuse me, are you personally a US citizen? I suppose not. So, excuse me, why should OUR missile be called by its NATO name? If you say your parents named Vanya at birth, I don’t think they will like it if they call you in the yard for example Spiderman.
  26. Old26
    Old26 7 May 2016 20: 36
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    What is it that doesn’t exist? Tests were soon to be put on duty ... And the fact that they did not report to you and did not put the drawings on the table, so I'm sorry, they only say what they can say.

    Tests? What? Missiles "Sarmat"? So there weren't even throw tests. Soon will take over duty what? "Sarmat"? Or do you consider the 4202 product, which is being tested with varying degrees of success as a ready-made warhead? Which one is about to be hoisted on "Sarmat"? So AGZBO on "Sarmat" in the future is planned in the amount of at least 4 pieces, and 4202, 7 meters long on the carrier 15A35-71 (15Yu71) is placed in the amount ONE PIECES.

    Quote: NEXUS
    Excuse me, are you personally a US citizen? I suppose not. So, excuse me, why should OUR missile be called by its NATO name? If you say your parents named Vanya at birth, I don’t think they will like it if they call you in the yard for example Spiderman.

    Do not distort the name. As for the code name (and not the nickname), then for some reason it is too ambiguous in our VO to treat this. "Satan" of some, incl. and it jars you, but for some reason, when it comes to other weapon systems, the code designation is used without bothering. For example, you can often hear: "our" Scalpel ", or" our "Stiletto". Or they remember the largest Soviet boat "Typhoon", calling it the western code designation.

    To me, frankly speaking, all this terminology is "to the bulb". I can calmly operate with our designations and Western ones. If you need to concretize - I use ours, if we are talking about a whole family, then in order not to list modifications it is easiest to use Western ones - "Satan" or SS-18. So I don’t worry about it and don’t consider it unpatriotic to use Western names if necessary, if only because sometimes our designation may be unknown ...
    Or vice versa. No western, then apply Soviet (Russian)
  27. Absurdidat
    Absurdidat 7 May 2016 21: 23
    0
    Yes, academics decide on trains, and there is no solution, but here you’re all right-you give !!! Smart guys damn))) to drive trains on several branches with a modern elementary intelligence base of our enemies, with their nightmarish introduction into our structures, when so much is not even sold, but given, of course, the train!
  28. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 7 May 2016 23: 02
    -5
    I do not think that the United States is greatly annoying new Russian missiles. On the contrary
    they are trying to challenge Russia to an arms race to ruin economically,
    what Reagan did 30 years ago. The more new types of missiles, projects, series
    tests, the more the budget is emptied.
    They themselves are pulling slowly only one type - Minuteman, improve it cheaper ...
    1. Bramb
      Bramb 8 May 2016 01: 41
      +2
      Of course!
      How can strain a loaded revolver aimed at your head?))))
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 8 May 2016 10: 57
        -4
        So the revolver is aimed at both the States and Russia
        for decades now. Accustomed - both Americans and Russians.

        I mean, there are Yars, normal strategic missiles
        scare.
        To make another project a waste of money, without any effect.
    2. Ostwest
      Ostwest 9 May 2016 16: 54
      0
      You are the liberal tales of the bastards who captured the USSR in 1991, claiming that the country was torn by an arms race and lost to the mattresses, still warming the soul. Didn’t they realize that there was pure camouflage of their betrayal?
      There was no tear of the economy, there was an ordinary betrayal of the Kamunyatsky werewolves who captured Russia in 1917. Fortunately, for some time Stalin managed to move them away from control, but he turned out to be mortal.
      China, using the Stalinist model of development, is striving toward the future by leaps and bounds, and the traitors, or rather the maize, blackened Stalin and his model of development, Khrushchev's followers have not rehabilitated the name of Stalin, being in comfort and pleasure, and for that model of development, relaxation and decrepitude are fatal. This is the real reason for the death of the best country in the history of mankind, and not some kind of arms race, which just by that time had been lost by the mattresses. Not without reason, after the USSR, their economic indicators climbed uphill ..
      Apparently here they again have hopes, like that young man.
  29. sergey2017
    sergey2017 8 May 2016 09: 26
    0
    The statement that "the development of the silo-based Sarmat missile system is nearing completion" is straining! About BZHRK are silent, although this direction is more promising! It will be difficult to drag Russia into the arms race, because the main rearmament to contain the US and NATO in the RF Armed Forces has been completed!
  30. Old26
    Old26 8 May 2016 11: 15
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    I do not think that the United States is greatly annoying new Russian missiles. On the contrary, they are trying to challenge Russia to an arms race in order to economically ruin what Reagan managed 30 years ago. The more new types of missiles, projects, series of tests, the more the budget is emptied.
    They themselves are pulling slowly only one type - Minuteman, improve it cheaper ...

    They may not bother, as some here think, but they keep such developments under control and develop (in advance) countermeasures.
    As for the arms race, the Americans have worked out this scheme and applied it repeatedly. True, recently, we have ceased to "be led" on these schemes. But nevertheless, the economic component plays an important role and they, having drawn us into the next race, can simply ruin us.
    Reagan, fortunately, did not succeed in full. We are not "led" either to Star Wars or to mobile complexes for multi-headed missiles. The answer was quite unexpected for the Americans - BZHRK, which they THEN could not track.
    And they are really more involved in modernization than creating new ones. Nevertheless, in the near future they also plan to create new ICBMs and SLBMs.

    Quote: Bramb
    How can strain a loaded revolver aimed at your head?))))

    Well, it's mutual. The exact same revolver is aimed at our heads.

    Quote: sergey2017
    The statement that "the development of the silo-based Sarmat missile system is nearing completion" is straining! About BZHRK are silent, although this direction is more promising! It will be difficult to drag Russia into the arms race, because the main rearmament to contain the US and NATO in the RF Armed Forces has been completed!

    Personally, such statements do not bother me, although sometimes a daily repetition as a mantra of the same sometimes suffers. Like all messages from the OBS agency.
    The process of creation and testing is quite lengthy, with its own pitfalls. But in this case, the Sarmat program is a priority. Firstly, because it was started earlier, secondly, because it is impossible to indefinitely extend the terms of the same remaining Voevods, and in -1, the deployment itself will be less costly than deploying the Barguzin. Although there are pitfalls here as well. The main performer has never made such heavy rockets. And the co-contractor never used PAD in his products. How will these problems be solved - wait and see.

    Deployment one division BZHRK - IMHO a rather ill-conceived decision. But there is nothing to be done. The decision has been made, although it may be wrong. Supporters of the BZHRK prevailed in the Moscow Region. There is a lot of work that will take a lot of time. It will be necessary to create a new missile, the entire rolling stock, to re-create the infrastructure of such a division, including RPMs and residential towns.
    But as far as it is more promising - it’s impossible to say yet, until the same train configuration is known ... Do not forget that intelligence tools from the time of the first BZHRK also made a leap forward.
  31. Old26
    Old26 8 May 2016 13: 12
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    I mean, there are Yarses, normal strategic deterrence missiles. To have another project is a waste of money, without any effect.
    Here I am with you, Alexei, not quite agree.
    "Sarmat" is necessary, because at the present stage, ICBMs with liquid propellants contain, if not most of the deployed warheads, then at least a third. 46 R-36M2 ICBMs with 10 BB on each. This is already 460 BG. In terms of the number of BB, "Sarmat" corresponds to "Voevoda", so, alas, the deployment of this system is necessary. Moreover, the UR-100N UTTH is still being written off. Last year there were 30 of them with 180 heads. Now ... Now HZ. According to some data, 20 with 120 BB are left, according to others, all 30 are already considered non-deployed.
    But "Barguzin". Here you can agree with your argument. The need to deploy just one division is a rather expensive undertaking.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 8 May 2016 23: 19
      0
      These rocket engines with LRE are very old. There are strong doubts about their combat readiness.
      When they tried to launch civilian satellites with their help, then only
      One of the 4 tested missiles was deemed suitable for launch.
      So I would focus on the Yars to maintain a nuclear balance
      and discarded dubious fluid designs.
  32. Olegi1
    Olegi1 8 May 2016 21: 59
    0
    Quote: kimyth1
    Rather, it would still BZHRK went on duty !!!


    By BZHRK program is postponed, unfortunately. I won’t find any links now, sorry.
  33. Brigadier
    Brigadier 9 May 2016 13: 54
    0
    Approve !!! good
  34. Old26
    Old26 9 May 2016 20: 06
    0
    Exactly. The mattresses held model games of the future war and the result did not suit them:
    They are completely destroyed, Russia is in radioactive contamination, but there is a clean territory and about 30 of the surviving population.
    There is no information about Geyropa.
    Our task is to increase the remaining population and reduce radioactive damage, which means we need weapons even faster, more precisely, even more inconspicuously, to develop missile defense, nuclear weapons, conventional weapons and their use schemes, which is being done today.
    If you want peace, prepare for war, the ancients said, and nothing has changed so far.


    Less listen to what the media say to you. There will be no victory in a nuclear war. In Russia there will be exactly the same radioactive desert as in the USA. And in Europe too. And how many people will remain is unpredictable. And what will happen to the population - also no one can say. How much clean territory there will be, and whether it will be able to feed the same 30 million is all theory ...

    ... that means you need nuclear weapons even faster, more precisely, even more inconspicuously, to develop missile defense, nuclear weapons, conventional weapons

    It is necessary to develop, but not everything can be done. Physics and technology cannot be fooled Create nuclear weapons even faster - this is still from the realm of fiction ...

    Quote: voyaka uh
    These rocket engines with LRE are very old. There are strong doubts about their combat readiness. When they tried to launch civilian satellites with their help, only one of the 4 tested missiles was recognized as suitable for launch. Therefore, I would focus on Yarsy to maintain nuclear balance and discarded dubious liquid projects.

    Relatively old, no doubt. Both systems are almost under 20 years old. As for doubts, shooting is carried out regularly. And when civilian products are launched, they go through a defect, there is nothing special about this. And of course, not everyone is used as a carrier. Liquid projects are by no means dubious. Especially considering that in the liquid we are ahead of the Americans ...
  35. cyber
    cyber 10 May 2016 05: 17
    0
    It's nice to read news about weapons modernization, BUT ... this ease and openness with which it is customary for us to report about seemingly secret information is slightly annoying. Places of deployment, terms of statement on combat duty, characteristics, quantity ... what for?
    Although ... there are several legal options why this is done:
    1. The intelligence of the United States (and NATO) has degraded so much that Russia itself has to merge information about its military potential so that these go ** s from NATO do not suddenly decide that Russia does not have an army to attack with impunity :)
    2. Disinformation merges with the aim of loading the enemy’s intelligence by checking the information being merged. ANY information is checked for authenticity, so the enemies do not have any resources left to extract really valuable information.
    3. Work on the western public. Western residents are told about the power of the Russian army, so that they periodically cool their heads to their rulers.
  36. Old26
    Old26 10 May 2016 09: 06
    0
    [Quote] BUT ... this ease and openness with which it is customary for us to report on seemingly classified information is a little annoying. Places of deployment, terms of putting on alert, characteristics, quantity ... Secret information for whom? For the Americans or for our brother? So, even starting with the SALT-2 and START-1 treaties, we present to the other side the coordinates of our divisions with EMNIP accuracy to the minute. And the titles. And how many mines are in this or that regiment. Specifications? So, under the same contracts, we (and they) provide them to the other party, while also performing the show. For example, we do not know what the appearance of the same "Frontier" is, but we have already shown it to our "sworn friends". And the timing. This is such an inaccurate characterization, I don’t remember in recent years that it was maintained. And this is rather information for internal use, that is, for the population

    [quote = cyber] US (and NATO) intelligence has degraded so much that Russia itself has to merge information about its military potential so that these go ** s from NATO do not suddenly decide that Russia does not have an army to attack with impunity [/ quote]

    The simplest, and by the way, the most stupid thing is to consider yourself an adversary. True, this hatred often ends "Battle of Moscow". Then they also said that the enemy was weak, that the German proletariat would rise immediately, only Germany should attack the Soviet Union, that we would beat the enemy with little blood and on enemy territory. US and NATO intelligence has degraded in what? In intelligence intelligence, in electronic, in photo intelligence? Oh well...

    [quote = cyber] Disinformation merges to load enemy intelligence by checking the information being merged. ANY information is checked for authenticity, so the enemies have no resources left to extract really valuable information. [/ Quote]
    Do you really think that they use only open sources? And through them is the drain? We provide them, and they give us, such information OFFICIALLY. Moreover, both they and we regularly check this information, carrying out INSPECTIONS (up to 18 per year) ...

    [quote = OstWest] Two charges need to be puzzled first. [/ quote]
    And this is done a long time ago. The coordinates of our mines are as well known to them as they are to us.

    [quote = OstWest] And then any train of pulmans, of which there are thousands across Russia carrying civilian cargo, can be taken for any purpose. There are not enough two charges in Russia to shoot the pulmans. [/ Quote]
    Well, the configuration of the train is quite specific. And if it is the same as the old BZHRK - even more so. In addition, there are known places of RPM, autonomy and some other DP. In addition, do not forget that everything will be FIVE such compounds. Some of them will be permanently in the PDP, some on the route. So the enemy will not have to look for them throughout the whole of Russia and shoot every train.

    [quote = OstWest] Yes, and where to shoot? The average speed of 60 km., Can stop, where to shoot? [/ Quote]
    Where? And think ...

    [quote = OstWest] The mattresses wanted such a toy, but they didn’t master it, so they figure out how to dissuade us. Not convincing, on the contrary ..
    [/ quote].
    Overpowered. They didn’t just deploy, because they would have to build almost a parallel railway in the area where they were going to deploy their BZHRK. Their roads are frequent. And in relation to the BZHRK, they did not dissuade us then, on the contrary, they were surprised at what we did ...

    [quote = OstWest] Imagine which shot will be on the railway. networks with an efficiency of 1%. Also good for us. [/ Quote].
    Imagine this is your right. I, unlike you, do not consider the enemy full of r.d.tin, which charge charges on each train
  37. Bort radist
    Bort radist 10 May 2016 13: 10
    0
    On the tape ru. Karakaev said that by the age of 21, the efficiency of heavy missile groupings will be 4 times higher than that of light groups. Experts say that the time for putting into combat readiness will be less than a minute.