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Media about the problems of Chinese tanks type 99A

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According to the Chinese designer tanks Mao Mina, tanks ZTZ99A (type 99A) are quite reliable, and sometimes breakdowns are not critical and are associated with minor problems, such as leaks of water, oil and loose contacts. Kanwa Asian Defense magazine tried to figure out if these issues could be called minor.




“During the rehearsals of the 2015 parade, technical problems were fixed with tanks of this type. So, at first, the three-level alarm system of tank No. 12 worked, as a result of which the automatic system stopped the engine. According to the manufacturer, this was due to problems with the alarm system. During the fifth rehearsal, tank number 216 stopped moving after a transmission failure, ”the newspaper newspaper article cites. Look.

The author notes that “if based on statistical data on the health of Chinese-made armored vehicles, the ZTZ99A tank has the highest level of malfunctions (210 cases), while in the ZLT95А floating tank there were only 108 cases, in 04 BMPs - 75 cases , for other BTT specimens, the average level was less than 80 cases. ” The lowest level is recorded for wheeled armored vehicles - around 10-ti.

"If such results occurred with Chinese tanks on a flat surface during the parade, then on rough terrain the situation only worsens, especially in areas with hot / cold climates and in the tropics," the magazine notes.

Currently armed with armies of Bangladesh, Pakistan, Morocco and Myanmar are Chinese tanks MVT 2000. The journalists were able to talk about the reliability of Chinese cars with Pakistani specialists.

It turned out that in Pakistan MVT2000 were refined: “the tanks received the Ukrainian 6TD-2 engine, as well as other ammunition”. In addition, the unreliability of the Chinese trucks was noted - they broke down every 100 km of march. Pakistanis were forced to change them, for which they bought new ones in Thailand.
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 7 May 2016 08: 58
    +13
    The equipment is reliable, non-critical breakdowns, minor problems. As this recalls the reports of Secretary General L.I. Brezhnev at congresses of the CPSU. Zhvanetsky correctly speaks in one of his humoresocks: everything is improving, improving, and turning it on doesn’t work.
    1. The black
      The black 7 May 2016 09: 02
      +44
      The equipment is reliable, non-critical breakdowns, minor problems. As this recalls the reports of Secretary General L.I. Brezhnev at congresses of the CPSU
      .And China has one problem with the tank - to sell it. All other problems of this tank do not bother them. laughing
      1. razmik72
        razmik72 7 May 2016 09: 40
        +17
        Chinese tanks often broke down during tank biathlon competitions in Russia, in particular a caterpillar broke down. The truth, as far as I remember, it was a tank of the previous generation.
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. 73bor
          73bor 7 May 2016 23: 58
          +1
          Chinese production breaks not only tanks, toys, cars, phones break down!
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 8 May 2016 11: 58
            +2
            Chinese production breaks not only tanks, toys, cars, phones break down!

            maybe they do something to themselves and to someone request the lion's share of junk is coming to us ...

            dog-dog. Chinese Towalisi minus criticism? repeat
      2. Wolverine
        Wolverine 7 May 2016 10: 11
        +1
        That's right, the main quantity ...
        1. Lex.
          Lex. 7 May 2016 13: 35
          +7
          That's right, the main quantity ...
          quantity is also quality
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 7 May 2016 16: 36
            +10
            Quote: Lex.
            quantity is also quality

            You forgot to refer to the author of this phrase, and he deserves to be remembered, especially these days. His name is I.V. Stalin.
        2. trantor
          trantor 8 May 2016 08: 09
          0
          Quote: Wolverine
          main amount ...

          not only they are ahead of the rest in terms of the number of technical innovations introduced. The question is different - to bring it all to mind before launching the sale, they never bother ... then somehow)
      3. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 7 May 2016 10: 23
        +4
        Quote: Black
        .And China has one problem with the tank - to sell it. All other problems of this tank do not bother them.

        The theme "... about the problems of Chinese tanks ..." recalled the performance of Valentina Korkina and Viktor Ostroukhov with the scene "Chinese Motor Show".
        (whoever has not seen can look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSKP_QlYEjc
        and breakdowns that sometimes occur are uncritical and are associated with minor problems, such as water leaks, oils and loose contacts.

        Just a trifle!
        Quote: just explo
        and in a big war the tank will not live anyway for a long time, there is no particular reason to make it super-reliable.

        And if in a battle as a result of a large-caliber blank entering the body
        some contacts will sprinkle and the tank will become an iron ?!
        The crew is alive, but what's the point ?! The next, already combat shell, will finish off both the tank and the crew!
        We don't need such Chinese "devices"!
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 7 May 2016 16: 34
          0
          Quote: Starover_Z
          We don't need such Chinese "devices"!

          And what, Moldova was going to buy such tanks? belay
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 7 May 2016 22: 35
            0
            Quote: Nagan
            Quote: Starover_Z
            We don't need such Chinese "devices"!

            And what, Moldova was going to buy such tanks? belay

            Do you want to offer those who wish ABRAMS? wink Which year ? what
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 8 May 2016 03: 11
              0
              Abrams - not in the know, and Humvee will soon be massively charged. Would you like cheap stuff? That's just, I warn you, the transmission will not necessarily be automatic, but rather even manual. Can you squeeze the clutch?
              1. Starover_Z
                Starover_Z 8 May 2016 16: 13
                0
                Quote: Nagan
                Abrams - not in the know, and Humvee will soon be massively charged. Would you like cheap stuff? That's just, I warn you, the transmission will not necessarily be automatic, but rather even manual. Can you squeeze the clutch?

                I can, I can not - will have to learn soon:
                http://topwar.ru/94952-voennaya-tehnika-ssha-i-moldovy-vystavlena-v-centre-kishi
                neva.html - Military equipment of the USA and Moldova exhibited in the center of Chisinau
              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null 8 May 2016 16: 15
                0
                Quote: Nagan
                Abrams - not in the know, and Humvee will soon be massively charged. Would you like cheap stuff? That's just, I warn you, the transmission will not necessarily be automatic, but rather even manual. Can you squeeze the clutch?

                Manual is better a hundred + times .. for those who understand essno yes
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 7 May 2016 18: 40
          0
          Quote: Starover_Z
          We don't need such Chinese "devices"!

          were you going to buy? free tip: buy from us, old and used earplugs are better!wassat
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 7 May 2016 22: 42
            +1
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            Quote: Starover_Z
            We don't need such Chinese "devices"!

            were you going to buy? free tip: buy from us, old and used earplugs are better!wassat

            Wrap b / ear 90s! good And give a guarantee, to the English Channel without damage ?! wink
    2. just exp
      just exp 7 May 2016 09: 46
      +5
      but still they have progress, they can even produce tanks. and in a big war the tank will not live anyway for a long time, there is no particular reason to make it super-reliable.
      although of course marriage is also not an issue to exploit, in a world of peace the operation of defective tanks will fly a pretty penny.
      Threat about what the tank does not go on the offensive is not necessary, even the most unreliable tank before the attack podshamanit and he will go, not for long, but go.
      1. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 7 May 2016 10: 04
        +10
        Quote: just explo
        and in a big war the tank will not live anyway

        You know, if I were a tanker, I would have somehow had a point on a tank that could refuse to go into battle at any time.

        Quote: just explo
        about what the tank does not go on the offensive is not necessary

        mmm ... There is still a nuance - to get / get to this offensive. For example, take a look at WWII and WWII. For example, the moment when a German column of tanks marching on a parade in Austria simply stood up due to breakdowns, or how malfunctioning tanks rushed on the march by Soviet troops.
        Yes, before the offensive they can play a prank, and if they don’t give time for podshamanit? In addition, in order to podshaman it is necessary to have spare parts which may not be due to logistics problems and have to do one out of two or three.
      2. dauria
        dauria 7 May 2016 10: 09
        +1
        . and in a big war, the tank will not live long anyway,


        The approach is correct if only as a result of a reduced resource other, more important characteristics of the piece of iron win (well, for example, weight, or price, or the number of quickly produced tanks). And so just in peacetime, this luxury is not permissible.
    3. Nick
      Nick 7 May 2016 23: 37
      0
      Quote: oleg-gr
      The equipment is reliable, non-critical breakdowns, minor problems. As this recalls the reports of Secretary General L.I. Brezhnev at congresses of the CPSU. Zhvanetsky correctly speaks in one of his humoresocks: everything is improving, improving, and turning it on doesn’t work.

      Only military equipment is not concerned.
    4. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 8 May 2016 07: 08
      +3
      everything is improving, improving, and turning it on does not work.


      I have a Chinese plastic granulator in my factory. I've been perfecting it for the sixth year now, trying to fall apart all the time. I changed the bearings three times and stopped counting the rest of the "non-critical" repairs.

      And so Apparatus works in principle. to produce metal chips stably.
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 8 May 2016 10: 30
        0
        Purchased USB-RS485 Chinese-made. Half did not work right away, the rest went out of order. As a result, it works one and then every other time.
        1. kodxnumx
          kodxnumx 8 May 2016 13: 50
          0
          in other words, the tank, oh, but what’s the word to choose, then even such a tank wouldn’t let such a tank into service with such damage results!
  2. The black
    The black 7 May 2016 09: 00
    +9
    The main problems are metal and engines. The Chinese do not have high-quality steel, in principle, there is also a shortage, there are even more problems with other metals, because it is one thing to steal the technology, it is competent to introduce this technology at home, experts again. The gas turbine engines, which Russia proposed to assemble under a license from them, they decided to squeeze out of the bucket and out of habit, but they did not even really learn how to assemble them ..
    1. mvg
      mvg 7 May 2016 09: 23
      +2
      Why is it only gas turbine? Why not plasma anti-gravity? Does the 6TD-2 or MB-873 mark say anything?
    2. demo
      demo 7 May 2016 12: 12
      +6
      This 69-story building was built between 1993 and 1996, and before the construction of CITIC Plaza in 1997, it was the tallest building in China, with a height of 384 meters. This building was built at a fast pace: in 9 days it was built up to 4 floors. In addition, it is the tallest building in China, built of steel. The main premises of the tower are occupied by offices, residential apartments begin from the 35th floor, and shopping centers and car parks occupy 5 floors. On the top floors there are observation platforms of the Meridian View Center, an exhibition hall that shows the main stages of China's development and from where residents and visitors can see Shenzhen through telescopes.

      Take your time to state something that may be in doubt.
    3. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 7 May 2016 12: 46
      -2
      The main problems are metal and engines. The Chinese do not have high-quality steel, in principle, there is also a shortage, there are even more problems with other metals, because it is one thing to steal the technology, it is competent to introduce this technology at home, experts again. The gas turbine engines, which Russia proposed to assemble under a license from them, they decided to squeeze out of the bucket and out of habit, but they did not even really learn how to assemble them ..

      so their engines were replaced - in Ukraine! and the phrase most pleased

      “Tanks received the Ukrainian engine 6TD-2, as well as other ammunition”

      know-how - when "other ammunition" runs out, the "Ukrainian engine" is used belay how - this is a secret military secret! wassat either the engine is thrown at the enemy, or undermined request
    4. alexmach
      alexmach 8 May 2016 22: 03
      +1
      The Chinese do not have high-quality steel, in principle, there is also a deficit, there are even more problems with other metals


      I do not understand, China is now one of the world leaders in the construction of high-speed railways. Even in Russia they are threatening to build. How can this be done without quality steel? or do they have rails and tanks weren’t enough?
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 8 May 2016 22: 43
        +1
        Quote: alexmach
        I do not understand, China is now one of the world leaders in the construction of high-speed railways. Even in Russia they are threatening to build. How can this be done without quality steel?

        - in no way. Apparently, they already learned how to make steel for rails yes

        Quote: alexmach
        or do they have rails and tanks weren’t enough?

        - making armor from rail steel is about the same as making a metal cutter from polyethylene.

        Completely different properties are required from "rail" and armor steel. These are essentially different materials..

        That's all request
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 8 May 2016 22: 55
          0
          AND? The first Chinese people in the world to smelt steel, who mastered its production, not only for high-speed railroad rails (by the way, as I understand the requirements for rails, are also serious) but also a lot of everything that the colleagues wrote above cannot master the smelting of armored steel? Is it possible to buy anything (even a T-90, at least something) and "touch" with all available means? Well, I don’t believe it.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 9 May 2016 12: 40
            +1
            Quote: alexmach
            AND? The first Chinese people in the world to smelt steel, who mastered its production, not only for high-speed railroad rails (by the way, as I understand the requirements for rails, are also serious) but also a lot of everything that the colleagues wrote above cannot master the smelting of armored steel? Is it possible to buy anything (even a T-90, at least something) and "touch" with all available means? Well, I don’t believe it.

            - at your leisure take an interest in how many various steels exist in nature .. I guarantee - you will be surprised .. variety wink
            - further .. steel must not only be smelted correctly (in composition, that is .. the composition of armored steel is not equal to the composition of the rail by definition)
            - there is such crap - machining .. rolling, for example. A lot depends on her too ..
            - further - there is one more crap - it is called heat treatment ..
            - about fsyakie there cementing-phosphating- .. I’m just silent laughing

            Dear .. IMHO good armor steel differs from "rail" steel in about the same way as a well-trained dog (linear) from a street mongrel .. with all due respect to the latter.

            About me: MISiS, Fizkhim, specialty in diploma (!!! laughing ) - metallurgical engineer.


            I can work with you metallography, for example .. but - exclusively on a paid basis (oh, damn it .. and I myself remember that thread) wink

            Good advice: do not meddle .. in you is not peculiar yes
    5. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 9 May 2016 06: 40
      +1
      The black
      The Chinese have no quality steel in principle


      I do not quite agree. China has quality steel. it’s just that they, without special remorse, do not always follow the directions stipulated in the drawings in order to increase their profits (bitter experience).

      If the production of their products is controlled locally by their engineers, then one can achieve high results from some Chinese firms.
  3. kursk87
    kursk87 7 May 2016 09: 01
    0
    Problems associated with Chinese tanks play into the hands of Russian manufacturers of armored vehicles.
  4. Dam
    Dam 7 May 2016 09: 01
    +4
    Ask the owners of Chinese cars how they drive. Everyone will answer, everything is cool but ... This is it, but in battle it will be the last.
    1. cap
      cap 7 May 2016 10: 25
      +1
      Quote: Damm
      Ask the owners of Chinese cars how they drive. Everyone will answer, everything is cool but ... This is it, but in battle it will be the last.


      What should they (the Chinese) worry about engines.
      Stop hands push to the enemy. laughing
      This is of course a joke.
      In fact, at the pace that they have been moving lately
      science can solve issues.
      There was an infra that is preparing the creation of a Russian-Chinese scientific center.
      The main costs are borne by the Chinese.
      You have it.
  5. Hubun
    Hubun 7 May 2016 09: 02
    +1
    For ourselves, we could try or we’ve got used to stamping trash mainly for everyone
    1. nazar_0753
      nazar_0753 7 May 2016 09: 05
      0
      Effort alone is not enough, we need good technology, brains and specialists. With some of this, the Chinese have strained, and therefore problems: in a tank - with a running gear, in airplanes - with engines hi
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 7 May 2016 10: 56
        +2
        Quote: nazar_0753
        Effort alone is not enough, we need good technology, brains and specialists. With some of this, the Chinese have strained, and therefore problems: in a tank - with a running gear, in airplanes - with engines

        Remember the "Cultural Revolution", the era of the "Great Leap Forward" and everything will become clear. And to make it easier to remember, look at the material here.
        http://www.china-voyage.com/2011/01/bolshoj-skachok/
        At that time, cadres trained in the USSR, lower-level cadres trained by the Japanese during the war years were destroyed. This led to the disaster that has been responding to the PRC so far.
  6. Mixweb
    Mixweb 7 May 2016 09: 09
    +2
    We should not rejoice in the poor quality of the Chinese BTT. In the event of a conflict without the use of nuclear weapons, they will crush any enemy on the continent.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 7 May 2016 09: 17
      +4
      Quote: Mixweb
      We should not rejoice in the poor quality of the Chinese BTT. In the event of a conflict without the use of nuclear weapons, they will crush any enemy on the continent.

      But this is a bike. Just a bike and all ... Ants on the planet, in terms of weight (mass), are one hundred times more than people, according to scientists.
      Develop a thought yourself ... wink
      PS The minus was not mine.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 7 May 2016 09: 40
        +2
        Quote: Observer 33
        But this is a bike. Just a bike and that's it ..

        Yes, this is an old Soviet joke about Chinese mobile military groups of 1,5 million people. And no one will fight like that now, throwing the enemy with meat (well, perhaps Ukrainians, but this is a separate issue).
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 7 May 2016 10: 20
          +6
          In the event of a conflict without the use of nuclear weapons, they will crush any enemy on the continent.
          The Chinese army is numerous, it is a fact. All the more thoroughly reason to think. Today, among those who want to go to serve - not as an officer, as a soldier - in China there is a competition - more than 10 people in one place. And this says that the large Chinese army is doing well and with a high-quality military personnel. And laughter is not at all appropriate here.
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 7 May 2016 13: 50
            -2
            Quote: Verdun
            In the event of a conflict without the use of nuclear weapons, they will crush any enemy on the continent.
            The Chinese army is numerous, it is a fact. All the more thoroughly reason to think. Today, among those who want to go to serve - not as an officer, as a soldier - in China there is a competition - more than 10 people in one place. And this says that the large Chinese army is doing well and with a high-quality military personnel. And laughter is not at all appropriate here.

            Applied math. In your opinion, out of 10 Chinese, only 1 goes to the army. We have 150 million people, there are 1,300. Do we have the same army in size? Or are you lying?
            1. Verdun
              Verdun 7 May 2016 17: 09
              0
              Do we have the same army in size? Or are you lying?
              No, I do not lie.
              The total number of the People's Liberation Army of China is 1483 thousand people.
              Moreover, there is a military duty, and a set of volunteers. (up to 49 years.) Taking into account those liable for military service, in wartime the composition of the Chinese army can be increased to 400 million people. (excluding logistics). Impressive, isn't it?
              1. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich 10 May 2016 06: 09
                0
                Verdun
                The total number of the People's Liberation Army of China is 1483 thousand people.
                Moreover, there is a military duty, and a set of volunteers. (up to 49 years.) Taking into account those liable for military service, in wartime the composition of the Chinese army can be increased to 400 million people. (excluding logistics). Impressive, isn't it?


                from your judgment it turns out that China can put under arms 27%! population.
                in this case, they will have to call on children from 10 years old to 70 year olds, part of the women, to practically stop any production.

                call 27% of the population in itself is almost a defeat.
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 7 May 2016 19: 40
            +3
            Quote: Verdun
            Today, among those who want to go to serve - not as an officer, as a soldier - in China there are more than 10 people in one competition. And that says that
            With the economy in China, not everything is as rosy as they try to imagine. From a good life and an abundance of opportunities, soldiers are not torn. In America, when everything is in order with the economy, the army (aviation, navy, and marines) has difficulty recruiting. Conversely, when the economy coughs, the service for many begins to look like a competitive employment option.
            1. Verdun
              Verdun 7 May 2016 20: 26
              +3
              with the economy in China, not everything is as rosy as they try to imagine
              The standard of living in China, especially among those people who live far from the capital, is not yet too high. In our periphery, it is also far from sugar. In China, given the rapidly progressing economy, I believe the situation will gradually change. But we do not have such obvious prerequisites for this. And this is extremely worrying.
              From a good life and an abundance of opportunities, soldiers are not torn.
              You are partly right. But only partly. Smart rulers have always tried to make military service prestigious. After all, the army is one of the main pillars on which power rests.
      2. dauria
        dauria 7 May 2016 10: 17
        +5
        But this is a bike. Just a bike and that's it ... Ants on the planet .....


        These are no longer ants. And their motorized rifle company is no worse than ours. And the rule of 1 to three has not been canceled. More serious is necessary. Hitler considered our armed forces ridiculous (All of them thought from the memory of the First World War "there is no real front there either")
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 7 May 2016 10: 25
          +3
          And who is frivolous? It was about the mass ... So I declare with full seriousness that the time of saber wars has passed. A modern battlefield, not the best place to crowd.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 7 May 2016 19: 33
      +2
      Quote: Mixweb
      In the event of a conflict without the use of nuclear weapons, they will crush any enemy on the continent.

      It’s just that any holder of nuclear weapons will use it without hesitation for a long time, at the very moment when he feels that he is being crushed by the masses.
  7. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 7 May 2016 09: 12
    +5
    And how many years of Chinese metallurgy, in principle? thirty? What about engineering? twenty? The industry is still in childhood. They went through industrialization almost a century later than ours and in Europe.
    Another 20 years and there will be quality. Unless of course the economy is saved ...
  8. Berg194500
    Berg194500 7 May 2016 09: 18
    +3
    Judging by the pace of development of China, this is really not a problem, tank building can be said to be in its infancy, and they have achieved a lot even if we take into account copying. They will make in the end-persistent
  9. Torins
    Torins 7 May 2016 09: 33
    0
    Quote: Damm
    Ask the owners of Chinese cars how they drive. Everyone will answer, everything is cool but ... This is it, but in battle it will be the last.

    I have a Belarusian assembly by Geely, for 3 years I haven’t changed anything except consumables, the body did not go with bugs, the car is quite comfortable both in the cabin and in terms of operation. But the tanks are probably not a horse of the Chinese request
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 7 May 2016 09: 46
      0
      Quote: Torins
      I have a Belarusian assembly by Geely, for 3 years I haven’t changed anything except consumables, the body did not go with bugs, the car is quite comfortable both in the cabin and in terms of operation. But the tanks are probably not a horse of the Chinese

      In Vinnitsa, a lot of taxi drivers use Chery Amulet, they specially pester taxi drivers for quality. Yes, it’s twisting, the box is working, but everything that’s small could break off, the knobs, buttons, switches, all the trimmed around the handles after breakage.
      The car of course moves, but people really complain about the inconvenience
    2. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 7 May 2016 13: 45
      -2
      10 years old volkswagen
      Geely of the Belarusian assembly,
      much more reliable and comfortable than the new products of the Chinese auto industry.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 7 May 2016 17: 06
        0
        Quote: Anglorussian
        10 years old volkswagen
        Geely of the Belarusian assembly,
        much more reliable and comfortable than the new products of the Chinese auto industry.

        Do not tell anyone else .......... do not.
        1. Anglorussian
          Anglorussian 7 May 2016 18: 32
          -1
          Bad news is news too laughing
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 May 2016 09: 34
    +14
    In our car industry, these problems are all the time and nothing, everyone drives, he drove in an UAZ with a half-broken cylinder head gimlet. He added water and reached the house for 500 miles.
    Technique is never perfect, but seriously, our automakers need to give or go bankrupt, take the same GAZ, how many years the GAZones have been doing, the engines like you do not constantly snot, the boxes crack when switching, the same trouble on the PAZs.
    It’s better to watch clowns behind you, do not discuss the Chinese horseradish, their economy is growing, and ours?
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 7 May 2016 10: 12
      +16
      but look better yourself clowns, do not discuss the hell of the Chinese, their economy is growing, and ours?
      ----------------------------------------
      Roughly. But to the point. Over the past two years, China has produced more cement than America in the entire 20th century. Over the past 20 years, 300 thousand km of bridges have been commissioned in the country, 40 thousand km of motorways are built annually, and 100 airports each year. I watched in YouTube the construction of bridges, guys, this is from the realm of fantasy! Turnkey 9-story building in 36 hours! 3D printers sculpt cottages and other wonders.
      The Chinese are about 10 times more than us. Are they building at least 15 times less than ours? So compare the level of competence of the two governments.
  11. evil partisan
    evil partisan 7 May 2016 09: 44
    +5
    In addition, the unreliability of the Chinese trucks was noted.

    I remember reading somewhere that at the dawn of tank building, it was the low reliability of tracked tracks that was an obstacle to the widespread introduction of tracked vehicles in the army of the world. Until the so-called Hartfeld steel (110G1L in our opinion). But here at our factory she went completely off the tracks winked ... Interesting: and from what steel do trucks now make what ? I never came across an analysis of steel for trucks request ... Who in the know, enlighten. Thanks in advance hi .
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 7 May 2016 11: 31
      +2
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      But here at our factory she went completely off the tracks

      Yes, the same goes. Unas it was also used in crushers. But we appreciated the fingers of the tracks with a rubber-metal hinge. There was 38XS steel. We made a non-standard tool out of it, especially screwdrivers for mechanical front nuts, such as nuts for fastening fuel injection pump couplings.
  12. shinobi
    shinobi 7 May 2016 09: 54
    +6
    There is such a phenomenon in the history of civilizations as engineering and technical culture. And the catch is that it must be borrowed from the donor country either as a whole, as the Japanese did in the early 20th century, or to build their own from scratch. And this is a long and dreary process.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 7 May 2016 21: 39
      +5
      Not as long as you think. Sensible peoples adopt engineering
      culture on the fly - in one generation. South Korea is the best example. They can anyone
      teach to build giant container ships, supertankers, cranes, excavators,
      although even a generation ago only fishing seiners and mopeds were able to build.
  13. Olegmog
    Olegmog 7 May 2016 09: 54
    +4
    Metalworkers do not accept old trucks for scrap.
    Also wondering why?
    1. black
      black 7 May 2016 11: 41
      +2
      The steel there is special, with the effect of self-hardening. If you want to punish a soldier, make a hacksaw cut a truck.
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 7 May 2016 21: 33
        0
        Quote: black
        with self-hardening effect

        stop
        Self-hardening. yes
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 May 2016 10: 00
    +4
    Now it’s clear why they didn’t bring the 99th to biathlon. And what would be advertising! But they did not dare. And it’s okay, but ... This is exactly what practically destroyed our armored forces at the beginning of the Second World War. Endless breakdowns on the march, inept control of armored vehicles (at the level of driver mechanics!), Not the ability to shoot ... Just because of the low reliability and resource, the crews did not train much (saved the resource for the war?), Mainly landing and disembarking from the tank, as well as park management. It is worth reading the memories of tankers with pre-war experience (I had a neighbor in the country)!
    The USSR had tanks - almost five times LARGER than the Germans, and the tanks at the beginning of the war with us and the Germans were comparable in terms of performance characteristics, however ...
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 7 May 2016 10: 39
      -2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      the wars between us and the Germans were comparable in terms of performance characteristics, however ...
      Reply

      So for reference - in the first 40 days of the war, ours lost half of all tanks in service, this is more than 12000 vehicles. So your thesis of insecurity is just nonsense. The combat qualities of the BT-5 and, all the more, the BT-7 were at a level, and the T-34, KV-1 and KV-2 were an order of magnitude superior to German tanks. Let's just say one KV-1 calmly stood on direct fire against a tank regiment and shot them as if in a shooting gallery, then left, counted about 90 hits on it. Now I don’t remember exactly, I won’t lie, but the first tank battle was not inferior in scale to Prokhorovka something in July-August, laid the tank corps of the Wehrmacht. Mostly the equipment was lost due to the gouging of the crews and command, the lack of fuel and ammunition. All 600 T-34s in the army before the war lost 70-80% precisely because of this. hi
  15. Verdun
    Verdun 7 May 2016 10: 02
    +3
    the unreliability of the Chinese trucks was noted
    The unreliability of the tracks and fingers of the rollers is a characteristic problem not only of Chinese tanks. The representatives of the Soviet tank school managed to cope with it most fully. High quality materials and dry lubricants are required. It seems that Chinese materials will become better from year to year. They develop industry comprehensively. As for dry lubricants, then, as far as I know, besides us, such things are not particularly who can do. At least for tanks.
    tanks received the Ukrainian engine 6TD-2,
    I remember, here on the website, many claimed that the 6TD engines are moody and unreliable? Apparently, the Pakistanis have a different opinion. A reliable and powerful tank engine is almost the most complex component in terms of design and technology. Creating a motor-building school takes a lot of time. 20-30 years is not an indicator. China is only at the beginning of this journey. How successfully they will move forward, only time will tell.
  16. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 7 May 2016 10: 10
    +3
    "... In addition, the unreliability of Chinese trucks was noted - they broke every 100 km of the march. The Pakistanis were forced to change them, for which they bought new ones in Thailand."
    And the Thais are where these very high-quality tracks are fucked up!
  17. Torins
    Torins 7 May 2016 10: 16
    +3
    Quote: APASUS
    Quote: Torins
    I have a Belarusian assembly by Geely, for 3 years I haven’t changed anything except consumables, the body did not go with bugs, the car is quite comfortable both in the cabin and in terms of operation. But the tanks are probably not a horse of the Chinese

    In Vinnitsa, a lot of taxi drivers use Chery Amulet, they specially pester taxi drivers for quality. Yes, it’s twisting, the box is working, but everything that’s small could break off, the knobs, buttons, switches, all the trimmed around the handles after breakage.
    The car of course moves, but people really complain about the inconvenience

    I’m certainly not a taxi driver, but after leaving almost 100 thousand in three years I managed to break off nothing in the cabin, probably the Chinese are making better components for Belji than for cherry) My neighbor, from the bottom, chery, complained that the front bumper had fallen off laughing
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 7 May 2016 10: 55
      0
      What a standalone bumper! Independent (or independent?) Like that Ukraine. winked
  18. mr.fafes
    mr.fafes 7 May 2016 10: 43
    +6
    Chinese tanks are the most "reliable and safe" and most importantly cheap !!!
    Something that reminds me
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 7 May 2016 10: 53
      +7
      Chelyabinsk bicycle, he is so harsh. winked
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 8 May 2016 06: 38
        +1
        Quote: Captive
        Chelyabinsk bicycle, he is so harsh.

        Not just a bike wink
  19. Gvas1174
    Gvas1174 7 May 2016 10: 49
    +3
    Well, it’s quite an interesting article, something like that was supposed. Tank building is not an easy process, and China is only at the beginning of the road, let's see what happens. With the aircraft they also get shitty.
    Looking in the direction of the neighbors is always necessary, useful, especially if the neighbor is large and feels the need for new lands. Despite the fact that today China is listed (and indeed is in fact) in strategic allies, the nuances in the future are quite obvious. It is always worth remembering this, because as the wisdom of the ancestors says: there is no worse enemy than a former friend.
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  20. Prisoner
    Prisoner 7 May 2016 10: 52
    -1
    Looks are not all the documentation pushed. Money, money, but even in the most dying soul, under the ashes, the light of patriotism smolders. laughing
  21. Torins
    Torins 7 May 2016 11: 11
    +2
    Quote: Ros 56
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    the wars between us and the Germans were comparable in terms of performance characteristics, however ...
    Reply

    So for reference - in the first 40 days of the war, ours lost half of all tanks in service, this is more than 12000 vehicles. So your thesis of insecurity is just nonsense. The combat qualities of the BT-5 and, all the more, the BT-7 were at a level, and the T-34, KV-1 and KV-2 were an order of magnitude superior to German tanks. Let's just say one KV-1 calmly stood on direct fire against a tank regiment and shot them as if in a shooting gallery, then left, counted about 90 hits on it. Now I don’t remember exactly, I won’t lie, but the first tank battle was not inferior in scale to Prokhorovka something in July-August, laid the tank corps of the Wehrmacht. Mostly the equipment was lost due to the gouging of the crews and command, the lack of fuel and ammunition. All 600 T-34s in the army before the war lost 70-80% precisely because of this. hi

    The equipment was lost mainly due to no rear service, when the air filter clogged in the tank, and there is nowhere to take it for a replacement, because the rear service already knows where, there were constant chronic problems with the fuel supply. About half of the tanks were lost in perfect working order; they simply had to be abandoned. Only the KV-1 was lost due to the crew’s squalor, the gearbox was overloaded and an unprepared mechanical driver could easily disable it.
  22. DimYang
    DimYang 7 May 2016 11: 13
    +3
    The question is not what quality the Chinese tanks are, the question is how many of them they rivet and where they will move, i.e. will direct.
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 7 May 2016 11: 33
      +2
      When I lived in a hostel in the 80s there were so many cockroaches that it was not possible to use a slipper to kill them; only dust did it. This is about quantity.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 May 2016 14: 08
      +1
      The time will come and they will trample into Eurasia, after they pour Mongolia.
  23. Torins
    Torins 7 May 2016 18: 00
    0
    Quote: CERHJ
    Quote: Torins
    I’m certainly not a taxi driver, but after leaving almost 100 thousand in three years I managed to break off nothing in the cabin, probably the Chinese are making better components for Belji than for cherry) My neighbor, from the bottom, chery, complained that the front bumper had fallen off

    He had the same thing at the factory, two FAWs, commercial gazelle-class trucks. For the first two years of operation, he did not know grief! The diesel engine was licensed from the Japanese. but after two years of active (I would say superactive) operation, problems started to occur. But just not with the metal. but with the quality of the wiring (almost all wiped and flown away) and with the quality of the service. Or rather, with its complete absence, spare parts for months in St. Petersburg to wait -This is cool of course! And no one could repair them, the qualifications were enough only for elementary work. And this is the cant of the dealer ..

    Well, we have no problems with Belji in this regard) A service such as if I bought a Mercedes for 200 thousand euros))
  24. Sigesmund
    Sigesmund 7 May 2016 18: 38
    +1
    I had the opportunity to manage the service of three Chinese auto brands (Cherie, Lifan, Khaimah). Behind Chery's small advantage, quality and reliability JUST A FIRE!
  25. faterdom
    faterdom 7 May 2016 20: 29
    +1
    "a three-level alarm went off near tank 12, as a result of which the automatics turned off the engine"
    .
    It's not a car "the light is on - call the service" And if it is in battle, and you need to take the tank out of the fire? What about such automation?
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 7 May 2016 21: 11
      +2
      Quote: faterdom
      "a three-level alarm went off near tank 12, as a result of which the automatics turned off the engine"
      .
      It's not a car "the light is on - call the service" And if it is in battle, and you need to take the tank out of the fire? What about such automation?

      I would not be so categorical. If the "three-level alarm" suddenly said (well, she was so wrong) that the engine was on, then turn off the engine and turn on the fire extinguishing system - a completely reasonable solution wink
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 7 May 2016 22: 26
        +2
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        If the "three-level alarm" suddenly said (well, she was so wrong) that the engine was on, turn off the engine and turn on the fire extinguishing system - quite a reasonable solution wink

        Roma drinks As the English-Saxon proverb says: If two say you're drunk, then go and sleep request laughing
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 7 May 2016 23: 46
          0
          Quote: Ruslan67
          As the English-Saxon proverb says: If two say you're drunk, then go and sleep

          Welcome hi

          Moreover, if in fact it says only ONE laughing

          Drunk - to the cop: "Can I pass between you?"
          Cop - to a drunk: "Come ... ONLY ONE"

          PS: I'm, by the way, sober to the point of indecency .. "I finished drinking because I'm tired" .. yes
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 7 May 2016 23: 56
            +1
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            I, by the way, sober to indecent ..

            I sympathize recourse By the way, I'm not talking about you, but about a light bulb wink
  26. Volksib
    Volksib 7 May 2016 20: 40
    +1
    The Chinese are copying equipment, including Soviet, and now Russian. And they manage to export "modified" clones. China is among the first foreign buyers of the S-400. A copy is not far off. It cannot be denied that the military-industrial complex of China has made great strides, and beyond quite a short history. But no matter how there were export supplies to China, India contributed to the preservation of our military-industrial complex. And this is also a fact.
  27. mlad
    mlad 7 May 2016 22: 58
    +3
    Cloning is not always bad, when our ZIL began to make refrigerators, they copied a general electrician, but for the lack of many plastics, they put bronze in the compressor - it turned out to be an eternal refrigerator.
  28. faterdom
    faterdom 7 May 2016 23: 41
    +1
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    I would not be so categorical. If the "three-level alarm" suddenly said (well, she was so wrong) that the engine was on, turn off the engine and turn on the fire extinguishing system - quite a reasonable solution wink

    I do not think that in this case there was a threat of fire or explosion, however, the automation turned off the engine (at least so it is written). I don’t know if you would like to be fired upon in such a tank in an open space, so that automation, three, four or five-level there ... decided for you: move your tank or not, it’s more expensive for it to have an unspoiled engine or crew’s life and the fate of the whole tank in whole?
    And fire extinguishing systems also on our old tanks were, but they did not command tanks. I think the current ones do not command.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 8 May 2016 00: 02
      +1
      Quote: faterdom
      I do not think that in this case there was a threat of fire or explosion, however, the automation turned off the engine (at least so it is written).

      Yeah ... and also it says:

      a three-level alarm was triggered for tank No. 12, as a result of which the automatic control turned off the engine. According to the representative of the manufacturer, this happened due to malfunctions in the alarm system

      About everything else - how do I know, maybe this alarm is only for peacetime, but can you turn it off in battle? laughing
  29. yurikh
    yurikh 8 May 2016 03: 20
    -1
    Copy all fails.