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Giant aircraft "Ruslan" no one needs

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According to Izvestia, referring to the statement of Sergey Ivanov (Deputy Prime Minister), the resumption of production of giant transport production aircraft, such as the An-124 Ruslan, is estimated at least at 20 billion rubles. But for this to happen, you must first fulfill a number of conditions.

To begin with, you should receive an order for the manufacture of at least 60 aircraft, it will help recoup the costs. But now such an order has not yet been received, which means that it is meaningless to deploy the mentioned production. By the way, the estimated cost of each aircraft is about 300 million dollars, so the number of potential customers is much narrower.

According to information from S. Ivanov, the company Volga-Dnepr, recently expressed its intention to purchase up to 20 airplanes, about 20 military transport modernized An-124 wants to acquire the Defense Ministry, and also last year, 20 new Ruslan cars, wished buy and airline Voronezh "Flight".

And based on the explanations of Oleg Panteleev (the chief editor of the industry agency AviaPort), airline orders will not be able to sufficiently reduce the cost of the aircraft. By the way, on the world market, there is only one theoretical buyer of these aircraft - this is the United States of America.

A source from the UAC (United Aircraft Corporation) commented: “In addition, the characteristics of the aircraft for military and civilian customers have significant differences, which means that in order to fulfill orders in both cases, you need to cost 2 different aircraft, which is quite obvious, final cost. "

There is another problem in this matter, namely: the settlement of relations with Ukraine. In other words, the aforementioned country claims to be the successor of the copyright to all the design documentation of the Ruslan aircraft. The establishment of royalties depends on the decision that will be made later. It will also take many years to transfer design information from paper sheets to electronic media.
An-124 «Ruslan"

NATO uses a different codification for it - “Condor” (“Condor”). This is a Soviet Russian-Ukrainian transport aircraft, which is considered the largest mass-produced serial aircraft in terms of carrying capacity in the world. It was developed in the OKB. Antonov, for the delivery of troops with weapons and combat standard equipment from the rear to the front, as well as for transportation to anywhere in the world, bulky cargo.

It is known that on December 26, 1982, the first flight of an experimental aircraft took place. In 1985, this machine was first presented at the air show in Paris. In 1986, Aeroflot began operating the aircraft. For the most part, the airliner worked in Siberian airlines, transporting unusually large cargoes used for industrial development of oil and gas. And only in 1987, cars began to enter the service of transport aviation Air Force

It is worth noting that the An-124 “Ruslan” aircraft, in 1985, set the world record number 21, in payload (height - 10 750 meters, weight - 171 219 kilograms), and in 1987 year, 6 May, set world record for distance flight in a closed route (distance 20 150, 92 kilometers).

In the middle of the 1990s, all production of Ruslan aircraft in Russia was halted. And only 10 of December 2009 of the year, Dmitry Medvedev (President of the Russian Federation), ordered the government to make a purchase for the Russian Air Force, 20 units An-124, for the period up to 2020 of the year to the state armament program. In addition, up to 2015, the 22 units of the An-124 BTA Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation will be upgraded. This upgrade includes an upgrade of the wing and fuselage, the replacement of the navigation system, avionics, parts of the onboard units, the chassis, as well as an increase in payload.
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  1. J_silver
    J_silver 20 December 2011 18: 17
    +3
    Of course, they won’t find money for this - it can bring benefits for the country ...
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 20 December 2011 18: 50
      +3
      J_silver, here you are logically right, in both cases. The fact that Ukraine does not want to build the already proposed 60 aircraft speaks for something. Even if you really think, Russia also doesn’t buy much from weapons, the answer is simple, because Russia itself does not put this model into service. And he will only purchase 20-30 units, so immediately the buyers are in line for years to come. So with Condor is the same story. Well, make 50-60 pieces, well, it’s clear that there are difficulties, but who is good now and the people will reach for you. Maybe of course I understand it in a bosyatsky way, but it’s everywhere, but why pull a cat by the balls, huh?
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 20 December 2011 21: 02
      +4
      Quote: J_Silver
      Of course, they will not find money for it


      In the USSR they would have found, and would have found application
      And Mriya was even cooler



      1. Sergh
        Sergh 20 December 2011 21: 26
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        In the USSR they would have found

        I understood nastalgia, but it’s time to fall to the ground, otherwise the youth will understand it wrong! Time is gone, no return!
        "Mriya" and "Buran" I remember, half of the electronics at NIIAP was prepared. A classmate worked.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 20 December 2011 22: 24
          +2
          Quote: Sergh
          I understood nastalgia, but it’s time to fall to the ground, otherwise the youth will understand it wrong!


          You Sergei, as I understand it, took up the education of young people, and she herself will teach whoever you want. I just state my thoughts at the military forum that such equipment was in demand in the USSR, Ukraine (and ours) by the way offers the states with might and main the assembly of Ruslan at their Boeing factories, there is no time for slogans like Give to the troops! It smacks of others
  2. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 20 December 2011 18: 31
    +2
    Well, here I do not agree with the author that nobody needs airplanes. They just need to immediately reduce the cost will not succeed. Everything has its time and there will be more buyers and the price will settle down.
    1. Snake831
      Snake831 21 December 2011 01: 26
      +1
      To reduce the cost of the machine you need a SERIES! But there are no large orders!
  3. Nechai
    Nechai 20 December 2011 18: 33
    +6
    "Ukraine asserts itself as the legal successor of the copyright for all the design documentation of the Ruslan aircraft - and therefore on the same principle as with the Yak-141, Zubr, etc., etc. Svidomo acted and are doing. proverb - now yours, calm down, every one of them. ”Nadurnyak with“ Muscovites ”is not worth a penny.
    VTA Air Force SA, in one sortie, delivered the Airborne Division to the drop area. And now he will not master the Airborne Forces company. And they are also trending about some kind of fast reaction. In addition, "Ruslans" may have, with a sane leadership of the country, one more specialty, besides all others - AIR START ICBMs. This pendosikam abruptly Yarsov and BZHRK seem. wink
    1. Nick
      Nick 20 December 2011 21: 23
      +1
      Stop-stop respected Nechai, and Ruslan and Mriya were developed and produced in the USSR. Russia is recognized as the successor of the USSR with all the minuses and pluses of this from the tatus, so Ukraine a priori cannot be the legal successor of the copyright for these aircraft.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 20 December 2011 22: 28
        +5
        Quote: Nick
        Russia recognized as the successor of the USSR


        For debts mainly, and for the rest we are most often occupiers
        1. Nick
          Nick 21 December 2011 23: 37
          0
          And we need to object to this, by all available means, Dear Vadivak.
    2. Jaguar
      Jaguar 20 December 2011 22: 57
      +1
      And where does the Yak-141 go to Ukraine? Didn't Yakovlev Design Bureau sell the nozzle to the Americans?
    3. mishan
      mishan 21 December 2011 01: 57
      +1
      wink
      Ridiculous !!! You also say, for example, that MAZ trucks, Belarus tractors and BelAZ dump trucks are also our PROPERTY. Maybe at least the dad will get your brains right then!
  4. Igor
    Igor 20 December 2011 18: 49
    +3
    It is necessary to steal the documentation from the Ukrainians, establish production and call it "Big Brother" smile
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 20 December 2011 18: 57
      +4
      Igorbut if we built them, then we have all the documentation, only, as it were, to put it more simply, this plant is no longer there, but it works in Ukraine, so continue the thought further ...
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 20 December 2011 21: 10
        -1
        Igorek, but if we built them, then we have all the documentation, only, as it were, to put it more simply, this plant is no longer there, but it works in Ukraine, so continue the thought further ...

        So you need to redeem ... Or steal (through raiding ...)
        1. Snake831
          Snake831 21 December 2011 01: 29
          0
          Ukraine generally needs to be completely stolen! PPC! Are you not from the gypsies?)))))
  5. dred
    dred 20 December 2011 18: 49
    -2
    If we don’t need them, can we sell that to Ukraine.
  6. mitrich
    mitrich 20 December 2011 18: 55
    +6
    That "Ruslans" are not needed by anyone is a lie, do not believe it. Production will resume. Even the Mriya project is being discussed now ...
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 20 December 2011 19: 01
      +1
      Can you tell us more about the Mriya project?
      1. mitrich
        mitrich 20 December 2011 19: 17
        +1
        An-225. Then you can type in a search engine.
  7. Nechai
    Nechai 20 December 2011 18: 58
    +3
    Ukraine asserts itself as the legal successor of copyright for all design documentation of the Ruslan aircraft - and therefore on the same principle as with the Yak-141, Zubr, Utyos, etc. etc. Svidomye did and do. And then, as the saying goes - now is yours, calm down, every one of yours. Nadurnyak with "Muscovites" is not a penny. If anyone can be supported by denyuzhkoy, it is PERSONALLY of those PEOPLE who gave birth to this masterpiece of aircraft engineering in KB "Atonov".
    VTA Air Force SA, in one sortie, delivered the Airborne Division to the drop area. And now he will not master the Airborne Forces company. And they are also trending about some kind of fast reaction. In addition, "Ruslans" may have, with a sane leadership of the country, one more specialty, besides all others - AIR START ICBMs. This pendosikam abruptly Yarsov and BZHRK seem.
  8. Sergh
    Sergh 20 December 2011 19: 02
    +1
    Yup, the troll woke up again, what about kindergarten? Calculate easily, do not be offended.
  9. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 20 December 2011 19: 22
    +2
    While Ukraine is at a crossroads, do not bother with such projects. This is not Belarus.
    Then we will bite our elbows ... and money down the drain.
    1. Victor
      Victor 20 December 2011 19: 34
      +3
      Samsebenaum It looks like the Ukrainian crossroads are already ending. Today Yanukovych spoke in a smooth manner about his readiness to sign a protocol on a single economic space in a synchronous manner. Europe refused to sign the protocol on the establishment of the Association with Ukraine. Therefore, "Ruslans" will be in Russia. For the ships, they also said that it was hard and they would not be, but we were building.
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 20 December 2011 19: 48
        +2
        Well, God forbid! With two hands "for"!
        Now I am waiting for a concrete statement from Janek.
        1. Snake831
          Snake831 21 December 2011 01: 32
          0
          What a statement? There will be such a start "Mama do not cry"! And the amers will move if that! In vain that they threw so much money there?
      2. Donetskiy
        Donetskiy 20 December 2011 21: 24
        -1
        One to the other is not to the detriment, and the ratification of the agreement on the CES should have happened 10 years ago, but the Russian Federation has not ratified this agreement, unlike Ukraine. By the way, in the current agreement, about 100 exceptions in relation to Ukraine, as they did not allow their market, so nothing has changed in this regard.
        As for the association, negotiations were fully completed and this was announced, but were not initialed due to well-known reasons on which the EU insists on Tymoshenko. Initiating itself is not a signing, but only a technical procedure after which the parliaments of all countries must vote for its adoption for some time, and then the agreement should be signed.
  10. Igor
    Igor 20 December 2011 19: 27
    +3
    Quote: Sergh
    Igorek, but if we built them, then we have all the documentation, only, as it were, to put it more simply, this plant is no longer there, but it works in Ukraine, so continue the thought further ...

    So you need to steal the factory winked
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 20 December 2011 19: 31
      +1
      Igor, Ha-ha, thief, then we will be called New China.
  11. Igor
    Igor 20 December 2011 19: 37
    +4
    So I care about the budget. An effective manager, so to speak. smile
  12. Igor
    Igor 20 December 2011 19: 54
    +3
    Spies from Ukraine do not put me downs I'm joking.
  13. moldavan
    moldavan 20 December 2011 19: 57
    +1
    the gamer will still give us more.
    I'm not kidding
  14. mishan
    mishan 20 December 2011 20: 05
    +1
    Sergh
    I myself do not like it when some fool draws ratings. I put you one minus. And now I will explain why.
    20 billion rubles are not small money, they need to be taken from somewhere to start production. They will pay off for a long time, because the aircraft construction cycle will be at least 1,5 years. We do not have a planned economy, and by order from above you won’t get things off the ground. Putin himself was already negotiating in Ukraine, about 5 years ago, and what has changed? And the state in the person of the Ministry of Defense needs only 20 of the 60 aircraft needed to make the project cost-effective. The remaining 40 may or may not buy.
    Next, OKB them. Antonov is in Ukraine, and the plane was invented there, and it was produced there. Yes, they did the same in Ulyanovsk until 2004, but you won’t get production without a license (and maybe we don’t have any documentation either). Respect copyright, why when China does not, then we do not like it.
    Then you suggested a generally sensational thing, to mend 60 aircraft, and then maybe they will be sold out. WHO? This is not a MANPADS, not a tank, or even a 5th generation fighter. This project is much larger!
    The An-124 Ruslan aircraft was designed primarily for the air transportation of mobile launchers of intercontinental ballistic missiles, such as the MZKT-79221 tractor, as well as for large-scale airborne transport of personnel, heavy military equipment and large-tonnage transport in the interests of the national economy.
    Who can buy it? The USA, also China, well, India can be. You probably offer Israel? Aircraft capable of transporting up to 120 tons at a distance of 5200 km was created just for the scale of this country.
    The plane is certainly needed, and sought after, but their fucking pride will not allow the Americans to buy them from us. We need them like air, about this we can give no less evidence than I have just cited.
    But in this case, as they say, measure 7 times and cut 1 time. And not so that then these 60 aircraft of 60 years were pulled from hangars for storage.
  15. 12061973
    12061973 20 December 2011 20: 20
    0
    what a wild price $ 300 for an airbus of 000-000 million is worth.
  16. Evgeniy46
    Evgeniy46 20 December 2011 20: 57
    0
    As far as I remember, the first An-124s were built in Kiev, then production was moved to Ulyanrvsk. The 654th separate VTA strategic regiment was formed, which included about two dozen Ruslans. Then, after the collapse of the USSR, a certain amount was bought by Volga-Dnepr. In general, Ukraine's claims are unfounded, since it will not pull the serial production of the An-124
  17. JIGIT
    JIGIT 20 December 2011 20: 58
    +2
    20 yards of rubles? This is a penny for us ... Only from January to September from Russia a foreign official drove away 50 yards and not rubles, but full-blooded bucks .. And this is only according to official figures, but how much is not official ????
  18. PSih2097
    PSih2097 20 December 2011 21: 12
    +1
    Ruslan Giant Aircraft - Nobody Needs

    Well, why, transport aviation, landing, commerce ...
  19. suharev - 52
    suharev - 52 20 December 2011 21: 18
    +1
    Mishanya. Money can be found. If GDP is ready to spend 15 billion to install webcams in all polling stations of All Russia, then 20 - = will be found. But I consider spending 15 billion idiots of pure water. It will give absolutely nothing. Falsification occurs when data is transmitted through the GAS-Vybory system, and in areas like this ... amateur licking. And the fact that Ruslan and Mriya are necessary for Russia, I think no one will particularly object.
    1. mishan
      mishan 21 December 2011 01: 31
      0
      All that the government can do is act as a guarantor when obtaining a loan by an enterprise. And the most important thing is to resolve problems with the documentation. All!
      Is Putin getting money out of his pocket? Take away the topic is not clear where, the election, the vote, here you are right. The fact that these aircraft are in demand, I do not argue! I argued with baby talk coming from Sergh.
    2. Snake831
      Snake831 21 December 2011 01: 41
      0

      Are they really necessary? Antonov’s design bureau is still not ours! Is it really not enough for us to design bureau Ilyushin and his 76? It’s good to talk rubbish!
      1. mishan
        mishan 21 December 2011 01: 52
        +2
        Yes, they are necessary, primarily because of the uniqueness of the operations performed:
        The first use of the aircraft’s cargo potential for civilian purposes was the delivery in December 1985 of a prototype Ruslan of a 152-ton Uklid dump truck from Vladivostok to Polyarny (Yakutia). The car was transported in two flights.
        On May 31, 1986, on a Ruslan from Kharkov to Tashkent, a turbine impeller with a diameter of 6 m and a mass of 80 tons was sent to the Tash-Kumyrskaya hydroelectric station. After 20 days, the second similar wheel was transported along the same route.
        In December 1988, after the earthquake in Armenia, among other cargoes, the crew of A. V. Galunenko transported a 124-ton Liebherr crane to the An-120 in the disaster area.
        In May 1992, 52 tons of gold worth 230 million pounds were transported from the Emirates to Switzerland on Ruslan.
        In 1993, Michael Jackson transported 310 tons of cargo to Moscow in three Ruslans.
        In January 2001, the An-124 was used to transport a 109-ton locomotive from Canada to Ireland.
        An-124 was used to return the Aksum Obelisk to Ethiopia in April 2005. Transportation was carried out in three stages, during each of them a third of the monument was transported with a total mass of 160 tons and a length of 24 meters. In Axum, it was necessary to modify the runway in order to take such a large aircraft.
        In the spring of 2011, the An-124 was used to deliver giant pumps manufactured by Putzmeister to Japan. Each pump is mounted on a 26-wheeled auto platform and weighs over 86 tons. Pumps were used to eliminate the accident at the Japanese Fukushima-1 nuclear power plant.
        1. Snake831
          Snake831 21 December 2011 10: 59
          +1
          The technique is good, no doubt! But we can do without it! It's just that everything depends on money, right? Now the S-400 and S-500 are more needed! There are more Iskanders, Yars! Fighter and bomber aviation must be restored first of all, and then the transport workers! The problem with engines for the Tu-160 will not be solved in any way, and you mean "Ruslans"!
  20. Evgeniy46
    Evgeniy46 21 December 2011 13: 12
    +1
    so "Iskander", Su-34, etc. are certainly good. But all of Europe and China should know - in the event of an attack, they will receive a couple of airborne brigades with a landing in the rear on the An-124. And with all due respect to the Il-76, it does not have such a range and carrying capacity
    1. Snake831
      Snake831 21 December 2011 21: 48
      +1
      What pair of brigades? Do you want to let transports into the clear sky! Do you need to break through air defense by transport workers? First, satellites and reconnaissance have to work out, then bombers and OTRK are supposed to use air defense positions, then transport carriers and helicopter landings will go under the cover of fighter aviation! And then we’ll drop a couple of brigades there and then what? How to maintain the Airborne Forces? The task of the Airborne Forces is simple, to capture and hold the bridgehead until the main forces approach, and we first need to accumulate the main forces! The transport life time over capable air defense is a couple of minutes!
  21. Smit
    Smit 22 December 2011 22: 23
    +1
    Ruslan aircraft were produced in Ulyanovsk. Now they are being repaired and modernized there. There was a lot of talk about production, but this is just talk. All technological documentation is available at the plant. It's just that 80% of the equipment at the plant itself is outdated. And if we now start anew the production of these aircraft, it will cost very high costs. Plus, when the plant was opened, engineers from all over the union were invited and they went there. Now there are no qualified specialists at the plant.
  22. sannyomd
    sannyomd April 23 2019 23: 04
    0
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Well, here I do not agree with the author that nobody needs airplanes. They just need to immediately reduce the cost will not succeed. Everything has its time and there will be more buyers and the price will settle down.

    And it would not be bad to organize competitions for large posts in the country in public and to put in charge real managers who care for their work, rather than appointees and their offspring - this will move many dying or moldy sectors of the country's economy from the dead. And there you look and heavy transport aircraft will be in demand and ... and a lot of things will be reborn and we will be ahead of the rest.