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Alexander Zakharchenko promised help to Odessa in case of an uprising

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The leader of the DPR continues to conduct "direct lines" with residents of the occupied regions historical New Russia




Today, the second straight line of the head of the DPR, Alexander Zakharchenko, with the occupied regions of Novorossia, was held. This time, Zakharchenko spoke with the residents of Odessa and the Odessa region. A lot of burning questions were asked. You can read the answers yourself. here.

We will summarize this conference and highlight the main line. Let us try to isolate the most important and voice what is left “behind the scenes” due to political repressions in Odessa and other restrictions. Here are a few questions and answers to them that form the general line of conversation and the main thoughts of Alexander Zakharchenko regarding the future of Odessa and the region as a whole.

Alexander Vladimirovich, how do you see the future of Odessa? Not desired, but real. It is no secret that the majority feel themselves here under occupation. No one represents and in the near future will not represent the interests of the south-east in Kiev. Nothing also points to the refraction of the situation on the spot. You have already said that the residents themselves must decide their fate, and the Donbass will support. It is clear that no one will do the dirty work, but there is no one to represent the interests of people on the ground. Were alone, danced and ran away. The situation does not change, people are squeezed out and leaves, his place is occupied by visitors from central and western Ukraine. At this rate in a couple of years, Odessa is not geographically, but in fact the population will be “tse Ukraine”. What threatens the complete destruction of the cultural and historical heritage of Odessa. How do you see the way out?

First and foremost. About any "years" we are not talking and can not go. Not so much time at the Bandera authorities in Kiev! So if you can, while staying in Odessa, keep yourself, your faith, culture and language - stay and have some patience.

The process of "replacement", which you point to, began, for example, in the eastern regions long before the Maidan. And now we are confronted with its consequences. But this is not a tragedy. When we build the state that we want ourselves, those who have come in from Western Ukraine will leave themselves. Or come to terms with our rules.

There is no more possibility to tolerate these rogues who call themselves the country's leadership. We waited for GDP to take us to itself, but this did not happen. Life has become many times worse than it was a few years ago. Now these villains have announced that they are again raising the price of gas and electricity for the population, the noose around the neck of the Ukrainian people has already been crushed to the extreme. All this is happening against the background of the fall of morality and morality in most people - this is the way to the abyss. But how can we live on, nobody knows the answer to this question, people are divided, there is no idea. But there is a memory about our grandfathers, who defended the independence of our Motherland. We ask for your help in this sacred struggle for your freedom and dignified life!

You say that there is no idea, but you call it yourself, first, as they say, “by contradiction, and then directly. Let me quote you? If "by contradiction", that is, from what is no longer there, then the following is obtained:

- the revival of morality and morality;

- restoration of solidarity between people;

- establishing the economy for people, not for oligarchs.

And you yourself call a positive idea - “the memory of our grandfathers, who defended the independence of our Motherland”. Here and the idea of ​​the Motherland, and the idea of ​​the Great Victory, the next anniversary of which we will celebrate in a few days, and the idea of ​​historical continuity in relation to our heroic ancestors. So we have everything. The main thing is not to give in to panic and despondency and to continue all these values ​​to preserve, and to resist everything that destroys us.

And you indicated the goals correctly: Freedom and Dignity!

Alexander Vladimirovich, hello! I am from the city of Kotovsk, Odessa region, with all my heart rooting for the Donbass, please tell me if we should continue to fight and defend the idea of ​​New Russia? After all, you are going to liberate only the territory of the former Donetsk region, and we cannot do anything, because there are warriors with weapons, they have money, support, cohesion, consistency, while we have nothing of that.

We need to work to ensure that you have, first solidarity, consistency and support (and I already have it, I am sure), and then money. And to form an independent voice of Odessa, without a Georgian or zapadensky accent. You can not give up. As for the idea of ​​Novorossia or the Black Sea Republic, or the Odessa People’s Republic, these ideas should be discussed in Odessa. If it is not possible publicly, then on the Internet - anonymously. And most importantly - between themselves from Odessa. The vector is very simple and, as it seems to me, the only correct one: Odessa, like Donbass, like Slobozhanshchina with Kharkov, like Little Russia, should decide their own fate. Kiev lost the moral right to make decisions for other regions of the former Ukraine. And this means that they must make this decision themselves. Maybe reassemble Ukraine on other - federal or confederative - principles. Perhaps, on the contrary, dismantle it and start living your own life. The main thing is that the fate of Ukraine today should be decided not in Kiev, but in the regions. And in Odessa, in particular. The organization of such a discussion is of paramount importance - it is only necessary to find, if possible, safe ways to conduct it.

Alexander Vladimirovich, there is such an opinion in Russia that the Ukrainians resisted the Junta too sluggishly, did not raise a popular uprising, and therefore, they say, if they don’t need it themselves, it means that Russia doesn’t owe them anything. Do you also think that Ukrainians, as complete morons, should rush to machine guns and machine guns with bogs and brooms, having no financial, organizational or informational support, even in 1 / 10, of the funds that the junta has?

I have already said that I do not consider it expedient to throw choppers and brooms at machine guns and machine guns. Although I want to remind you that my countrymen threw sticks even on Tanks in the spring of 2014. Maybe you saw these pictures on the Internet? Take a look. And this despite the fact that future punitive shot at their heads with machine guns.

Let me also remind you that at first all the support - financial, organizational and informational - we found in ourselves. It then came to the aid of the whole Russian world.

This is one side. There is another.

Now the Bandera regime in Kiev has strengthened and organizationally subjugated most of the former Ukraine. Those Bandera, who in February 2014, ran through the streets and created lawlessness with bats and chains in their hands, are now all armed. Therefore, it is now necessary to prepare in a different way.

And as for choppers. At one time, choppers were very useful to us. We took choppers and shovels, and went to the gardens and flower beds, which were laid by our grandfathers and great-grandfathers. Those that they watered with oil. And after that they were able to resist the punishers. So that choppers can be useful if you use them wisely.

And do not be greedy. He was digging and his heart was crying)

Will we have Novorossia and what will we have from this?

Good question. Here you need to put a smiley. And, as they say, what the question is - the answer is the same. You will most likely have New Russia and you will have problems with it. The main one is the responsibility for the state that you yourself will build. That is, it will not be possible to say to yourself: there is a market and there are tourists, and let there be any power. Because it will be your power. And you will be responsible for it. That is, when you get rid of Bandera power, you will choose your own power and control it yourself.

And if you remain Bandera Ukraine, then you will not have anything with it. That is nothing at all.

As we can see, Zakharchenko clearly makes it clear that no one will leave anyone. But even for us, Odessa citizens, no one intends to make a choice, much less to begin to fight, either.

In fact, Zakharchenko directly declares that Odessans themselves must decide their own fate and determine their future. And the first place - to make an informed choice. And do not sit and wait until "Putin comes - will bring order." Donbass and Russia will support and help. The main thing is to do everything correctly.

Yes, Zakharchenko made it clear that 2 May 2014, Odessa, “profukalo” his chance. And at the same time gave the junta an opportunity to concentrate the forces of the Nazis and the APU in one place, without fear of being hit in the back. And now the situation is much worse than it was.

However, the means of solving the situation remain the same as before - opposition to ukronatsistam. In the first place - ideologically, then culturally and socially, and then "uncivilized" - that is, in arms.

Zakharchenko even managed to give some instructions on the organization of resistance and the liberation of Odessa. What exactly - read for yourself. But the single thread of the entire conference was one single thought:

Only the Odessans themselves can decide what their future fate will be. Donbass and the whole “Russian World” will support them in any decision, but the responsibility for their choice, and most importantly for its consequences, lies with the Odesa citizens and only with themselves.

No "Putin will come - will bring order." Themselves and only themselves.

This is free will.
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 6 May 2016 05: 39
    +7
    Zakharchenko is now more important to deal with their problems. And that Odessa on May 2 "missed" its chance, that's for sure.
    1. Paradoxov
      Paradoxov 6 May 2016 05: 47
      +34
      Nothing has been "lost" yet, but there will be New Russia! am

      new Russia
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 6 May 2016 06: 01
        +37
        Quote: Paradoxov
        Nothing has been "lost" yet, but there will be New Russia! am

        about: "there will be Novorossiya-will be Russia" -Is not it too categorical? Russia has been and will be, regardless of Novorossiya.
        1. 13 warrior
          13 warrior 6 May 2016 09: 53
          +6
          "Russia is indifferent to human life and the passage of time. She is silent. She is eternal. She is indestructible ..."
          "The cruiser"
          V.S. Pikul
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 6 May 2016 10: 22
          +10
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Russia has been and will be, regardless of New Russia.

          Well yes! Russia was under Yeltsin when we betrayed the Serbs, without giving up Yugoslavia to be torn to pieces by NATO! But do we need such a Russia?
          You didn't understand the slogan. The meaning of the phrase "there will be Novorossia, there will be Russia" is allegorical. It meant that if we do not help Novorossia, do not recognize it, then this will be the end of the beginning "Russian Spring", the Russia that we all would like to see, when Russia, Belarus and Ukraine would be reunited into one whole.
          1. D. Dan
            D. Dan 6 May 2016 21: 48
            -1
            It seems like ...
      2. atalef
        atalef 6 May 2016 06: 12
        -2
        Quote: Paradoxov
        Nothing has been "lost" yet, but there will be New Russia! am

        new Russia

        those continuing the logical chain - without New Russia - there will be no Russia, while explain this paradox - Russia - is. New Russia - no? And even in the Russian media is not mentioned?
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 May 2016 07: 00
          +9
          Quote: atalef
          And even in the Russian media is not mentioned?

          Yes, quit. You in Israel know better than us what we have and how ... Do not tell.
          1. Lens
            Lens 6 May 2016 08: 56
            +2
            Well, Zakharchenko in Donbass knows the same. Why in Israel they can’t know))))
        2. Comrade Schucher
          Comrade Schucher 6 May 2016 07: 57
          +29
          Quote: atalef
          ... while explain this paradox - Russia - is. New Russia - no?

          Dear atalef, let me object to you, and draw parallels between New Russia and Israel ...
          There were Jews, but there was no state, squeezed out the landlings from Palestine, and now you have a house, that is, a state ...
          With Novorossia, the same canoe ... time, respected time, everything needs time. And there will be a state, and there will be a constitution ...
          And why are the guys from Novorossi worse or unworthy of the Jews? Golda Meer sank to Stalin - they regretted, they were given by the zemstvos, and by the way the zemstvos gave a stranger. And New Russia is fighting for its own, for its land and for its future.

          ps By the way, when do you reconcile with the Palestinians, otherwise everything is biting like dogs?
          1. Ros64
            Ros64 6 May 2016 21: 20
            +5
            Do not make peace! Do you know how many dentists left for the USSR from Israel in the USSR? They put all such teeth there - the tanks will gnaw with their teeth, not like Palestine!
          2. D. Dan
            D. Dan 6 May 2016 21: 49
            0
            Oh, well said!
        3. GSH-18
          GSH-18 6 May 2016 11: 42
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: Paradoxov
          Nothing has been "lost" yet, but there will be New Russia! am

          new Russia

          those continuing the logical chain - without New Russia - there will be no Russia, while explain this paradox - Russia - is. New Russia - no? And even in the Russian media is not mentioned?

          In the picture, phrases must be interchanged. The artist was a little mistaken request
          1. D. Dan
            D. Dan 6 May 2016 21: 51
            0
            And for the first time I added a comment to my thoughts, and such a thought flickered, but you expressed it ....
        4. vladimirw
          vladimirw 6 May 2016 12: 17
          +1
          Are our media Russian? Name only
        5. lex locis
          lex locis 6 May 2016 12: 18
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          those continuing the logical chain - without New Russia - there will be no Russia, while explain this paradox - Russia - is. New Russia - no? And yes, the Russian media does not mention


          I understand that it is not good to conjecture for the author, but in my understanding, the author wanted to say that: Russia already exists and will always be, and Novorossia will also be soon.
          Millstones of history grind slowly, but surely ...
          1. atalef
            atalef 6 May 2016 15: 08
            -1
            Quote: lex locis
            Yes, and Novorossia will also be soon.
            Millstones of history grind slowly, but surely ...

            Only no one knows what will go into flour, and from whom cake will remain.
      3. dimdimich71
        dimdimich71 6 May 2016 07: 06
        +6
        Sorry that is not the topic, Happy Holiday !!! - George the Victorious !!!
      4. potroshenko
        potroshenko 6 May 2016 10: 53
        -1
        In order for Odessa to possibly want to go separately from Ukraine, it needs a Crimean scenario. People will not follow the path of the LDNR. Now tell me how "Novorossiya to be"? I'm not kidding, but I really don't see a real opportunity for today.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 6 May 2016 11: 52
          +4
          Quote: potroshenko
          In order for Odessa to possibly want to go separately from Ukraine, it needs a Crimean scenario. People will not follow the path of LDNR.

          Understand one very simple thing. Crimean scenario is unique. This is not a template for the seizure of territories from Ukraine to Russia. Accordingly, in the Donbass and in others who want to move away from the benders of the ukranan regions, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!
          Odessa (namely its population, activists) must themselves develop their own scenario and action plan. No one will do this for them, as in the Crimea and the Donbass. But help will be required, you can have no doubt! yes
      5. GSH-18
        GSH-18 6 May 2016 11: 27
        0
        And as for the choppers. At one time, choppers were very useful to us. We took choppers and shovels, and went to the gardens and flower beds, which were laid by our grandfathers and great-grandfathers. Those they watered with engine oil. And after that they were able to resist the punitive. So choppers can come in handy if you use them wisely.

        laughing good 5 points!
        Everything will come in handy in a peasant farm, and that’s in handy! lol
      6. DEfindER
        DEfindER 6 May 2016 16: 00
        0
        Well, given that in Odessa, as in Kharkov, there are occupation troops, and any protests against the authorities are prohibited, and there is terrible pressure on the mayor of Odessa, then there is little to advise. The junta has established its power by force of arms and big blood, apparently only in the same way can it be overthrown ..
      7. D. Dan
        D. Dan 6 May 2016 21: 47
        -1
        And if you read like this:
        WILL BE New Russia. WILL BE Russia. It seems like let it always be ... Otherwise, wait a little and two-thirds of "Ukraine" will be HOME again.
    2. Samaritan
      Samaritan 6 May 2016 05: 47
      +11
      If in the country the people are firmly on their feet and confident in the future, then the neighbors will catch up!
      An example of Crimea and the construction of a bridge on which 800 Ukrainians work! Zrada which the world did not see:
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 May 2016 07: 06
        +10
        It looks like the "zrada" we have, like this "person", who does not know this Igor Berkut, "from the Committee for the Rescue of the Crimean Tatar People" INSPECTED and, moreover, carried out SUBMISSIONING WORK on the construction of the Crimean bridge.
        1. oldzek
          oldzek 6 May 2016 09: 47
          +1
          But interestingly, did he raise money to save the Crimean Tatar people or not? Father Bender succeeded in saving street children.
      2. avt
        avt 6 May 2016 10: 15
        +3
        Quote: Samaritan
        An example of Crimea and the construction of a bridge on which 800 Ukrainians work! Zrada which the world did not see:

        good laughing And what kind of clown is this against the background of women’s thighs painted on the Parsun behind him? Was a specific descendant of the son of a Turkish citizen Ostap Suleman Bert MARIA Bender Bey? At 4 minutes - “I'll give you Parbellum”, at 4.39 - Maybe 100 rubles will save the father of the Crimean Tatar democracy? Immediately at 4.44 - 100000 rubles from foremen from workers and 50000 from workers and bargaining is not appropriate here! laughing And the joke itself - the Raguli will pay! they won’t beat him head down like a pile, but pay. laughing
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 6 May 2016 12: 06
          +2
          Quote: avt
          And what kind of clown is this against the background of baboon thighs painted in the parsun behind him?

          I have a question? And who launched this provocateur on a STRATEGIC OBJECT ??? am
          1. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 6 May 2016 16: 16
            +2
            Quote: GSH-18
            Quote: avt
            And what kind of clown is this against the background of baboon thighs painted in the parsun behind him?

            I have a question? And who launched this provocateur on a STRATEGIC OBJECT ??? am

            Did you believe that he was somewhere and talking to someone?
            1. Bochik
              Bochik 6 May 2016 22: 20
              0
              Yes, and 800 Ukrainian builders of the Kerch bridge seem to be from the same nonsense as 200000 Russian troops in LDNR. Especially the former ATOshnikov! They are not there anyway, but all golden eagles must earn political capital - they must be, and therefore they are! And check it out ... Our Chekists - not a dream or a spirit, but THIS CH.M.O. ran into an official (!) business trip and counted them all on the head.
            2. avt
              avt 7 May 2016 11: 27
              0
              Quote: Observer 33
              Did you believe that he was somewhere and talking to someone?

              Do you think they don’t believe him in Ruin?
        2. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 6 May 2016 20: 14
          +1
          Quote: avt
          And the joke itself - the Raguli will pay!

          Something I directly doubt. To take money for free, yes, to give back is hardly ...
          But all the same, the humor is different. And why is he rummaging around so freely there? And who leads such kind excursions there? FSB, ay !!! And I also have a question! And what about the Russian citizens already employed? What kind of bullshit constantly? Their men sit without work, and these creatures businessmen feed Bandera.
          I fully admit that this seller of air in general invented the whole story, and was nowhere ... Where is the proof of zrada? If only he removed the "Roman camp" on the phone. And so ... one nonsense.
      3. am808s
        am808s 6 May 2016 10: 21
        +7
        This Igor Berkut is a puppeteer or I.D.O.T.Dreaming about repressions for the Tatars and does not know that many of them are building this bridge and hundreds of other objects throughout Russia. And they are no different from other people. Provocateur! And an obvious swindler hungry for money. Zrada suits him if they seal for her!
      4. lukke
        lukke 6 May 2016 11: 04
        +3
        Something I did not understand the joke with Igor and his proposals to sabotage the construction of the bridge ?! Was it a banter?
        And 400 participants of anti-terrorist operation must be filtered together with the military prosecutor's office of the LPR and the DPR for war crimes. And according to the results, probably some are poured into piles forever. And it turns out very well - they robbed and raped there, and now we will raise the loot in the aggressor country. What kind of ex-ATO participants are doing on our territory in Russia? Again we live by the principle - the loot rules. Zrad from our responsible for the construction of the bridge. Nasty somehow. Although what do I expect from our bureaucrats ?! - they are the very first enemies of our state, and not some America, etc. The State Department only directs them, and we generate them here in Russia.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 6 May 2016 12: 09
          0
          Quote: lukke
          What kind of ex-ATO participants are doing on our territory in Russia? Again we live by the principle - the loot rules.

          It seems to me all this ukrotrindzh. We ourselves are full of people who want to make good money on a construction site. Won in Sochi skaklov and in peacetime did not recruit! And there the work was much more than this bridge to the Crimea.
        2. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 6 May 2016 15: 56
          +1
          Quote: lukke
          What kind of ex-ATO participants are doing on our territory in Russia? Again we live by the principle - the loot rules.

          That's it! Better are the miners from the Donbass who were hired to build a bridge without work.
          Quote: lukke
          Although what do I expect from our bureaucrats ?! - they are the very first enemies of our state, and not some America, etc. The State Department only directs them, and we generate them here in Russia.

          To the very point! +100500
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          4. Bochik
            Bochik 6 May 2016 22: 45
            0
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Quote: lukke
            What kind of ex-ATO participants are doing on our territory in Russia? Again we live by the principle - the loot rules.

            That's it! Better are the miners from the Donbass who were hired to build a bridge without work.
            Quote: lukke
            Although what do I expect from our bureaucrats ?! - they are the very first enemies of our state, and not some America, etc. The State Department only directs them, and we generate them here in Russia.

            To the very point! +100500

            Yes, there are no ATO workers and Ukrainian workers there! This is all la la! But without this a la political capital you won’t earn money for yourself, and you won’t get into a small gear with a small gear.
      5. GSH-18
        GSH-18 6 May 2016 12: 02
        +1
        Quote: Samaritan
        An example of Crimea and the construction of a bridge on which 800 Ukrainians work!

        Level 800 Zrada !!! laughing
        But it’s better not to let this provocateur go there! FSB note!
        1. lukke
          lukke 6 May 2016 13: 51
          0
          FSB note!
          Apparently, the FSB Directorate for the Krasnodar Territory and Crimea are engaged in more important matters - the capture of foreign spies! Everything is clear with the latter - it has only been formed and there are a lot of problems in addition to this, but to Krasnodar (if this information is true in the article) minus specifically.
    3. Thirteenth
      Thirteenth 6 May 2016 05: 48
      +9
      Quote: Teberii
      Zakharchenko is now more important to deal with their problems.



      The ruling bandits in Ukraine is actually a big problem!
    4. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 6 May 2016 06: 00
      +52
      Odessa is today a resort-consumer-philistine society. When it was May 2014, entrepreneurs (the clothing market and landlords for vacationers + ordinary traders) were mostly on the side of the Maidan, so to speak, in anticipation of European changes: transparent rules in taxation and certification, administration. Plus the local football movement from FC Chornomorets. This is only to mention those social groups that directly belong to the city of Odessa. The fact that militants and even ultras from Kolomoisky's Dnipro were brought into the city is another story. And the question: what could 300-400 activists of Kulikov Pole have done? if the city itself on 40-55% sympathized with the Maidan ?!

      Today, 2 years later, office hamsters and hucksters realized that the Nazis, who did not have state thinking, came to power, etc. But it's too late to appeal to quilted jackets. The organizers and activists in the pre-trial detention center have long been killed either in exile or in the Donbass. How an entrepreneur who keeps a point of sale on the beach climbs with bare hands on an Azov fighter, I have no idea? This can only be done by the working class, in Odessa they are an endangered species. hi

      P.S. My opinion is, Odessa is not in 2014, not even now, it has no chance of rebellion and liberation on its own. Dissatisfied social masses with power are divided both in time (yesterday's opponents, became allies of yesterday's defeated opponents), and are not strong in spirit, at least industrial.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 May 2016 06: 17
        +11
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        This can only be done by the working class, in Odessa they are an endangered species.

        It only seems to be endangered. Glory to you, Russia, the communists on Saite constantly say that the working class has become extinct. And what is the working class in general? A warrior happened in the Donbass, all of Russia helped without dividing each other into classes.
        It's just that in Odessa there are no leaders that people would follow. And the intimidated people, who are not united, cannot yet do anything. But even the junta people are afraid.
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU 6 May 2016 06: 21
          +12
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          This can only be done by the working class, in Odessa they are an endangered species.

          It only seems to be endangered. Glory to you, Russia, the communists on Saite constantly say that the working class has become extinct. And what is the working class in general? A warrior happened in the Donbass, all of Russia helped without dividing each other into classes.
          It's just that in Odessa there are no leaders that people would follow. And the intimidated people, who are not united, cannot yet do anything. But even the junta people are afraid.


          Eh Sanya, Sanya ... you didn’t live 25 for years in a resort town, like me. Even in Ukraine. Okay, I have to go to work, there is no time to argue.
        2. atalef
          atalef 6 May 2016 06: 30
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          It only seems to be endangered. Glory to you, Russia, the communists on Saite constantly say that the working class has become extinct. And what is the working class in general? A warrior happened in the Donbass, all of Russia helped without dividing each other into classes.

          Hi Sanya.
          Yes, the working class (without trade unions) is doomed to extinction. How is Russia in terms of TRADE UNIONS? laughing --- That's the same in Ukraine

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          There are simply no leaders in Odessa that people would follow

          And what can they offer and whom to refer to? Follow us and will it be like in the DPR? Well why the heck - eat yourself with hair.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 May 2016 06: 56
            +6
            Quote: atalef
            How is Russia in terms of TRADE UNIONS?

            The network has a recent video 1 maske, buggers demanded a strike. As I understand it, there are trade unions. We have one here on the site, too, asking why there are no strikes in Russia, probably from Kodla.
            Quote: atalef
            --that is the same in Ukraine

            Sanya, believe us not like in Ukraine. Although you were both there and there, but I was not in Israel. And Israel, in turn, is the standard of how to work for an uncle sitting on his necklaughing
            Quote: atalef
            And what can they offer and whom to refer to?

            Then let them sit and celebrate May 9, surrounded by soldiers wearing helmets of which the inscription is written S. And glory to Ukraine is shouted.
            1. atalef
              atalef 6 May 2016 12: 13
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              .A Israel, in turn, is the standard of how to work for uncle sitting on his neck

              Alexander, a wonderful aphorism. need to remember. Almost 100% in the eye. +100500 good
          2. 72jora72
            72jora72 6 May 2016 07: 00
            +5
            And what can they offer and whom to refer to? Follow us and will it be like in the DPR? Well why the heck - eat yourself with hair.
            You know, it's slippery here even without snotty ones, and that someone "has", somehow it's not up to you to decide .......
            P.C. Do you even imagine what is really happening in the DPR or in various areas of Ukraine ?? I watch your favorite pastime is more shit on the fan toss ...
          3. vezunchik
            vezunchik 6 May 2016 08: 59
            +2
            therefore, the shit democrats immediately began to destroy the plants and with this the red belt went into oblivion. And we ourselves are guilty of this, sitting in holes, as it is now in Ukraine
          4. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 6 May 2016 09: 48
            +2
            In England, trade unions are miserable branches of left-wing parties where political correct seminars are held that are divorced from reality, and the working class is there.
            Yes, the working class (without trade unions) is doomed to extinction.
          5. revnagan
            revnagan 6 May 2016 10: 22
            0
            Quote: atalef
            How is Russia in terms of TRADE UNIONS? --- That's the same in Ukraine

            Trade unions? They are "tame"! They receive wages from the employer, they do not do anything except bureaucratic work. Will they protect the interests of workers?
            1. atalef
              atalef 6 May 2016 12: 20
              -1
              Quote: revnagan
              Quote: atalef
              How is Russia in terms of TRADE UNIONS? --- That's the same in Ukraine

              Trade unions? They are "tame"! They receive wages from the employer, they do not do anything except bureaucratic work. Will they protect the interests of workers?

              So it’s in Russia, try to drive into a member of the trade union in the West, try to pay him less than expected, do not give vacation days, do not pay wellness days, etc. etc. equally --- court and compensation.
      2. vezunchik
        vezunchik 6 May 2016 08: 57
        +4
        in 41, it was also fascists met with bread and salt, and they handed over the Jews and Communists to the Germans .. And when the Ukrainians began to be killed, then they went to the forests and catacombs
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 6 May 2016 06: 05
      +5
      Alexander Zakharchenko promised help to Odessa in case of an uprising
      troubled by vague doubts ... there would be reasons to doubt it. There are reasons for doubt: the Americans are eyeing the ports, and I think the ruling elite will not give up just like that, the airport of Donetsk, it seems like a fairy tale.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 May 2016 06: 20
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        ... to keep my

        Is there a reason to think that "tomorrow" Ukrainian soldiers will enter Donetsk?
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 6 May 2016 07: 33
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          ... to keep my

          Is there a reason to think that "tomorrow" Ukrainian soldiers will enter Donetsk?

          there is no firm certainty that everything is over ...
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 6 May 2016 08: 31
            +4
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            there is no firm certainty that everything is over ...


            Of course, it did not end, at least LDNR should reach its administrative borders. Yes, and Slobozhanshchina organize to heap.
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 6 May 2016 09: 07
              +2
              These minuses mean absolutely nothing.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 6 May 2016 09: 12
              +4
              Quote: Ros 56

              Of course, it did not end, at least LDNR should reach its administrative borders.

              And will we give Kiev to Bandera? If Russia were satisfied with this option, then the republics would have already been recognized by Russia. We need all of Ukraine, without the Lviv region.
              1. kit-kat
                kit-kat 6 May 2016 09: 43
                +3
                You can and Lviv region, only without Bendera. Although, fascism can be discerned here, but they do not care.
              2. Lankaster
                Lankaster 6 May 2016 09: 54
                -3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                We need all of Ukraine, without the Lviv region.

                And in what form is needed? Colony, subject of the federation?
              3. Ros 56
                Ros 56 6 May 2016 10: 17
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And will we give Kiev to Bandera?


                I did not mean a fleeting development of events, but all of Ukraine, of course, and even Kiev is the mother of Russian cities, this is necessary.
                1. potroshenko
                  potroshenko 6 May 2016 11: 04
                  -3
                  And how do you imagine this? LDNR will not be able to seize the floor of Ukraine.
              4. 72jora72
                72jora72 6 May 2016 13: 52
                +1
                We need all of Ukraine, without the Lviv region.
                Lviv was founded by the Russian prince Danilo Galitsky and named in honor of his son Leo ......... so Lviv is a Russian city.
    6. atalef
      atalef 6 May 2016 06: 31
      +3
      Quote: Teberii
      And that Odessa on May 2 "wasted" its chance, that's for sure.

      A chance to become DNR number 2? Are you sure someone needs this?
      1. sdc_alex
        sdc_alex 6 May 2016 07: 10
        +4
        Counter-question: Do they need anything at all? If not, then what is the problem, everything is fine in Odessa: SS, UPA, Pravoseki, etc. And if not like in the DPR, then how?
        1. Lens
          Lens 6 May 2016 09: 06
          -19%
          I am begging you. Pokazhitk in Odessa SS, UPA and so on. Pravoseki, I admit - there is. But let's not go too far!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 May 2016 09: 25
            +13
            Quote: Lens
            I beg of you. Pokazhitka in Odessa SS,

            Yes, where did the SS come from in Odessa, everyone knows that in Ukraine there is no fascism and Bandera is a traitor for Ukrainians
            Still put with a swastika on helmets?
            1. Lens
              Lens 6 May 2016 19: 38
              -8
              I, of course, wildly apologize, but for a long time I tried to read the inscription on the back of the "Azov". I couldn't. Googled. I couldn't find the answer. But I understand that the inscription is not important. After all, there is a skull, bones and lightning ... Then I'll show you "SS" ...
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 May 2016 05: 41
                +4
                Quote: Lens
                ... After all, there is a skull, bones and lightning ... Then I'll show you "SS" more ..

                Filming of Azov by the German channel. Another SS show?
                1. Lens
                  Lens 7 May 2016 08: 16
                  -1
                  Can I link? I really want to revise those morons.
                  1. Lens
                    Lens 7 May 2016 09: 11
                    -3
                    However, you don't have to bother. I found this idiot myself, but! ... The first frame from TSN from ... September 13, 2014! The second (with a helmet) generally "muddy" supposedly German channel filmed it in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Although I tried to take a closer look ... How did he get the idea that this is the APU? imported helmet and "lump" looks more like Swedish ...
                    But where did you see the SS and UPA in Odessa? !!! It is just as blasphemous to suppose as a torchlight procession in Babi Yar or Khatyn. Sorry, but pulled out a few facts and pulled them by the ears to the time and place you need.
                    With such success, you can experiment with ROA. A larger scale will work out!
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              1. atalef
                atalef 6 May 2016 19: 47
                -5
                Quote: Lens
                And more ... Well, just in case ...
            3. Lens
              Lens 6 May 2016 19: 41
              -3
              And more ... Well, just in case ...
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 May 2016 05: 46
                +4
                Quote: Lens
                . Well, just in case ...

                For the blind
                1. 72jora72
                  72jora72 7 May 2016 11: 17
                  +2
                  For the blind
                  Dear, stop being provoked, especially if they come from a troll like Atalef ......
            4. Lens
              Lens 6 May 2016 19: 44
              -7
              And also for every fireman ... Well, in the subject of "SS" in Odessa. History after all ...
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 May 2016 05: 48
                +3
                Quote: Lens
                And also for every fireman

                Needle
            5. Lens
              Lens 6 May 2016 19: 48
              -6
              The trouble with the interlocutors is that you most often represent the current Ukrainians ... Well, is it ...
          2. Weyland
            Weyland 6 May 2016 22: 50
            +2
            Quote: Lens
            Pokazhitk in Odessa SS, UPA and so on. Pravoseki, I admit - there is.


            What's the difference? laughing As that priest used to say: "I don’t understand the varieties of Mr. .. I don’t understand!"
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        2. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 6 May 2016 09: 24
          0
          Quote: sdc_alex
          Counter-question: Do they need anything at all? If not, then what is the problem, everything is fine in Odessa: SS, UPA, Pravoseki, etc. And if not like in the DPR, then how?

          The article has the answer to your question.
          "Will we have Novorossiya and what will we get from this?"
          Here he is... laughing
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 May 2016 09: 43
            +3
            Quote: Observer 33
            "Will we have Novorossiya and what will we get from this?"

            They are on the drum, what power, what flags. If you live well, then you can with Bandera.
        3. atalef
          atalef 6 May 2016 12: 00
          -7
          Quote: sdc_alex
          Counter-question: Do they need anything at all?

          If the question is whether it is worth adding tripper to your own hemorrhoids - I think the choice is obvious.
          Quote: sdc_alex
          Odessa is doing well: SS, UPA, Pravoseki, etc. And if not like in the DPR, then how?

          I don’t know if there is or not. People there are not killed by a field of known events, nor are they shot, Russians are not kicked out.
          Of course, I understand that you can refer to the SS, Upa, law-abiding - but apparently somehow they were lazy.
          Their activity is not heard.
          Quiet in Odessa and it is a fact.
          in the DPR, it seems like neither the SS, nor the UPA, nor the law enforcement officers — but they shoot and shoot their own and businesses wring out and, in general, a complete mess (there were a lot of articles about this) --- well, so the question? What the hell?
          1. 72jora72
            72jora72 6 May 2016 14: 38
            0
            People there are not killed by a field of famous events
            What are you saying ....... all-knowing you are ours
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          3. 72jora72
            72jora72 6 May 2016 14: 41
            +1
            in the DPR, it seems like neither the SS, nor the UPA, nor the law-abductors - but they shoot and shoot their own and businesses wring out and, in general, a complete mess (there were a lot of articles about this)
            Read less garbage ..... maybe digestion will improve
          4. bddrus
            bddrus 6 May 2016 16: 49
            0
            but they shoot and shoot their own and businesses wring out and generally a complete mess (there were quite a few articles on this subject) --- well, so the question? What the hell?
            - strange from Ukraine from all over the same news, but you do not notice
            1. atalef
              atalef 6 May 2016 18: 18
              -1
              Quote: bddrus
              but they shoot and shoot their own and businesses wring out and generally a complete mess (there were quite a few articles on this subject) --- well, so the question? What the hell?
              - strange from Ukraine from all over the same news, but you do not notice

              I don’t give a damn about Ukraine, everything is clear with it, the question is how does the DPR differ from them? And if nothing - why the hell?
          5. GradusHuK
            GradusHuK 6 May 2016 23: 44
            0
            Quiet like in a concentration camp after a hang up?
      2. svp67
        svp67 6 May 2016 07: 21
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        A chance to become DNR number 2? Are you sure someone needs this?

        They then missed the chance to stay in Odessa ... And apparently you are right, few people really need it, they decided to become - it is not clear what ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 6 May 2016 12: 06
          -2
          Quote: svp67
          They then missed the chance to stay in Odessa.

          Yes, they stayed with her. What did the city change its name? Not. People are different - no. It’s just probably not quite what you would like - well, then there is.
          Quote: svp67
          . And apparently you are right, this is really not enough for anyone, they decided to become - it is not clear what ...

          Sergey, I don’t know which city you are from, but there is a wonderful example of Slavyansk, which was under the rule of * the people * and returned under the rule of * Bander * - go to the city forum for fun - they do not regret or remember the board very kindly who was Strelkov there, another with golden fixes and a riotous mad woman.
          I understand that if Lugans was an example to follow and people would say - well, look - the people took power into their own hands - order, honesty, patriotism - can you say this about the DPR, LPR? Well, so what do you want others to climb into the same mess themselves?
          1. black
            black 6 May 2016 13: 42
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            but there is a wonderful example of Slavyansk

            Not a valid example. In the east of Ukraine, in the anti-terrorist operation zone and nearby there are a couple of problems. Not all citizens can afford the luxury of the Internet. And even fewer who have the courage to express their opinions. And one more remark. Slavyansk was the first city (and in my opinion the only one) where special mailboxes were set up for denunciations.
            1. atalef
              atalef 6 May 2016 15: 11
              0
              Quote: black
              Slavyansk was the first city (and in my opinion the only one) where special mailboxes were installed for denunciations

              and how do they report it?
              1. black
                black 6 May 2016 15: 49
                +1
                Yes, they do. To protect my family, left there, one of my friends had to imitate their own death.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 6 May 2016 16: 01
                  -2
                  Quote: black
                  Yes, inform

                  Strange, were new people brought there instead of the heroes of Slavyansk? wink
                  Quote: black
                  To protect my family left there, one of my friends had to imitate their own death

                  And who was your friend?
                  What happened so radically?
                  Although if you look normally - well, everything is like under Stalin.
                  Reporting, families are being repressed.
                  1. black
                    black 6 May 2016 16: 54
                    0
                    Finely ironic. Comparison of the Kiev junta with the Stalin regime? You just don’t tell them. They are already tired of fighting with the monuments.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 6 May 2016 18: 14
                      -2
                      Quote: black
                      Finely ironic. Comparison of the Kiev junta with the Stalin regime? You just don’t tell them. They are already tired of fighting monuments

                      And what in the analogy do not like? You can’t throw words out of a song.
                      It was reported, families of enemies of the people-repressed, want to go about the monuments? How many monuments and churches under Stalin demolished?
                      Or is it not a fact for you?
                      You can still remember about people's values, sold abroad and the refusal of the USSR to pay for international loans.
                      An analogy? (Everything is like in Ukraine - it doesn’t want to pay on loans and they sold all the gold abroad) Maybe someone will say no. But how many coincidences.
                      And if we recall the October Revolution, organized with German money (including), the assault on the Winter Palace and the shooting of policemen and a couple of guard battalions - so in general the Maidan is one to one.
                      Well, plus Yanek with grandmas faded (along with the ministers) - like Kerensky with his office.
                      Well, in general, in history everything develops in a spiral.
                      laughing
                      1. Lens
                        Lens 6 May 2016 22: 35
                        -1
                        And then he discovered the Russian version - the city of Togliatti. Reliably so, thoroughly ...
                    2. Lens
                      Lens 6 May 2016 22: 34
                      -1
                      Interested in your message. Googled. Indeed, there are a couple of photos, but ... unconvincing somehow ... see for yourself
                  2. 72jora72
                    72jora72 8 May 2016 14: 04
                    +1
                    Strange, were new people brought there instead of the heroes of Slavyansk?
                    Hearing a freak, you would slow down in your "sparkling humor" ......... you are painfully tongue-tied as I look ...
                    P.C. And do not you judge the heroes ....
          2. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 6 May 2016 16: 26
            0
            Do you still believe everything that is written on online forums? Especially on the third-rate city troll nurse? Then go to the censor and enlighten as it should with the true truth ... And if it is, the votes on the forums are also deafened and are substituted with the aim of manipulating public opinion as in other media.
            go to the city forum for fun
            1. atalef
              atalef 6 May 2016 18: 24
              -1
              Quote: Anglorussian
              Do you still believe everything that is written on online forums?

              The truth is usually written in urban areas, it is extremely difficult to filter it out there, and there aren’t enough pants to keep a team of bots for Slavyansk and surrounding villages (especially since there are 2 forums in Slavyansk and 3 in Kramatorsk).
              Therefore, check a simple recipe, you want to know the truth (well, 70-80 percent), go to the forums of a specific city and areas --- read, evaluate.
              Quote: Anglorussian
              Especially on the third-rate city troll nurse?

              But on third-rate city trolls there are just a few - not that popularity, but on women’s ones - there are generally all secrets in the public domain
              Quote: Anglorussian
              Then go to the censor and enlighten the truth as it should.

              But the censor - I do not believe it (although unlike you (it’s blocked for you), I go in to laugh.)
              Quote: Anglorussian
              But if it’s serious, then the voices on the forums are also jammed and substituted for the manipulation of public opinion as in other media.

              Kramatorsk forum jamming laughing all 3 laughing including basque gossip laughing --- still say that the State Department wink
              1. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian 6 May 2016 18: 33
                0
                Well, the SBU can easily break through whoever is there. This VKontakte and facebook are too tough for them. And yes, my censor is just available, I also come in for fun. Tell me what is stopping them from doing this?
                unlike you

                You need a few bots and they are inexpensive. Yes, and why then do they fabricate on the censor of falsehood about the breakthroughs? Infowain, however.
                bots for Slavyansk and surrounding villages
                There they believe with more readiness, their own, however. yes
                1. atalef
                  atalef 6 May 2016 18: 35
                  -1
                  Quote: Anglorussian
                  Well, the SBU can easily break through whoever is there. This VKontakte and facebook are too tough for them. And yes, my censor is just available, I also come in for fun. Tell me what is stopping them from doing this?
                  unlike you

                  Whom do they?
                  1. Anglorussian
                    Anglorussian 6 May 2016 18: 44
                    0
                    THERE. To people in black embroidered shirts fellow
                    Whom do they?
                    that they carry the truth to the masses of the people. Or do you think public opinion is not trying to form and control?
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 6 May 2016 18: 48
                      -1
                      Quote: Anglorussian
                      THERE. To people in black embroidered shirts fellow
                      Whom do they?
                      that they carry the truth to the masses of the people. Or do you think public opinion is not trying to form and control?

                      Where in the regional forums? You’re ridiculous, the people there know each other and with a simple question about the name of a stream will bring any boat to clean waters per second.
                      What are you talking about, you probably studied somewhere (as an example), over the course of which time you figure out whether a person studied at your university, or is he driving a blizzard?
                      There it is.
                      1. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 6 May 2016 19: 00
                        +1
                        Well, I just came across this when a person representing my native land does not know the number of trams and street names, he simply disappears or stupidly ignores me. And yes, clumsy, but it works. On the other hand, try to say something oppositional at such a forum — they will write about your detention right away in the censor — how well the APU worked.
                        What are you talking about
                        This is called opposing domestic separatism in them.
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 6 May 2016 19: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        This is called opposing domestic separatism in them.

                        When was the last time you were in Ukraine? And I’m half a year ago, and the penultimate one, 10 months ago, and the penultimate one –– one and a half years ago, I have a mother-in-law in Kiev and lives at a ticket price of 100 bucks, we go there just shopping for a ride. sit in restaurants, but buy fresh bacon.
                        I know what and how. As well as the fact that I have never seen in my direction a twisted physiognomy, taking into account the fact that I do not know Ukrainian at all and speak only Russian.
                        My mother-in-law is Russian, and my father-in-law is Russian-Ukrainian.
                        And if they tell me that no one — doesn’t pinch the Russians anywhere — what is the point of not believing them in me?
                        Or they too, 2 seventy-year-old bots?
                      3. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 6 May 2016 20: 42
                        +1
                        I lived in Mariupol. A long time, really. And now in London I meet ukrov, they all made a European choice. And an opinion different from their own is not particularly accepted.
                        I know what and how

                        wink
                      4. atalef
                        atalef 6 May 2016 21: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        A long time, really. And now in London I meet ukrov, they all made a European choice. And an opinion different from their own is not particularly accepted

                        So I saw them in London about 4 years ago, they were walking, they were dragging tools, and they were playing baldass on surzhik.
                        My wife and I returned from some pub. Hours 10 pm.
                      5. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 6 May 2016 21: 49
                        0
                        There are more of them now, despite all the efforts of the immigration police.
                        So I saw them in London about 4 years ago
        2. atalef
          atalef 6 May 2016 18: 45
          -1
          Quote: Anglorussian
          Well, the SBU can easily break through who is there

          Basque chatter on the forum, which read one and a half digger? Moreover, the picture is composed of many comments.
          Quote: Anglorussian
          Tell me what is stopping them from doing this?

          Nothing interferes, only who needs it and where will the resources be enough to keep track of all the rural forums.?
          Quote: Anglorussian
          You need a few bots and they are inexpensive

          They are expensive, expensive.
          Quote: Anglorussian
          . Yes, and why then do they fabricate on the censor of pseudo-news about breakthroughs? Infowain, however.

          So that’s why I don’t believe the Censor, it’s very popular, which means under the hood

          Quote: Anglorussian
          There they believe with more readiness, their own, however.

          There they are calculated per second. These are small cities, everyone knows each other there.
          1. black
            black 6 May 2016 19: 57
            +1
            Tricked as you can? Is it genetic with us? Stand your ground even when it hurts? I also love to climb on Ukrainian groups and sites. But unlike you, I am familiar with the realities of Ukraine. Whistleblowing is everywhere. And even on the interlocutor in social networks. Uncle I am angry and like to have fun. Try out of mischief, find a reason, accuse the Ukrainian interlocutor of domestic separatism. Everywhere ubiquitous rashness (namely rashness), it is a daily and widespread disease of Ukrainians.
            1. atalef
              atalef 6 May 2016 20: 26
              -1
              Quote: black
              But unlike you, I am familiar with the realities of Ukraine. Whistleblowing is everywhere. And even on the interlocutor in social networks

              And that I doubt it?
              Of course they knock, knock in full. They used to knock, now knock and will knock. In Russia, the same thing, I have a classmate, the head of the Internal Affairs Directorate, on the penultimate visit (3 years ago), after a glass of tea after the bathhouse, I said that you don’t stop knocking, voluntarily, selflessly and there is simply no shortage.
              That's the tact.

              Quote: black
              Try out of mischief, find a reason, accuse the Ukrainian interlocutor of domestic separatism.

              I say again, I have no doubt in knocking - in Ukraine they are knocking, VDNR and in Russia - they are knocking everywhere.
              We also don’t have one - they are also knocking.
              And a friend of my friend, married to Norwegian (and living there) - had such an incident.
              He receives a fine for traveling to the red light and begins to rack his brains on who could see them (him and his wife) traveling at night.
              To what my wife said, absolutely calmly - I invested (or rather called) - he says, why the heck, there was nobody. nobody has seen . What does she answer
              - I saw. wassat
              How? good
      3. andj61
        andj61 6 May 2016 19: 58
        0
        Quote: atalef
        But the censor - I do not believe it (although unlike you (it’s blocked for you), I go in to laugh.)

        Here is the sadness - I haven’t visited for six months, it turns out that it’s really blocked ... what
        But proxies work fine, so nowadays this is by no means a problem! bully
        Hello Alexander! drinks
        Are you having fun? wink
        Still campaigning for Soviet power? Trying to reveal the truly unique womb to everyone? fellow
        I even envy you - I just would not have the patience! laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 6 May 2016 20: 28
          +1
          Quote: andj61
          Still campaigning for Soviet power? Trying to reveal the truly unique womb to everyone?
          I even envy you - I just would not have the patience!

          Hi Andrew.!!!!
          We have patience at the genetic level wink
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 6 May 2016 09: 20
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Are you sure someone needs this?

    Of course! Of course there are those who need it. I don’t know how many of them there are, but they do not exist otherwise in our world.
    No one has canceled the desire to gain power, and I think there will be a dozen candidates for "princelings".
    1. atalef
      atalef 6 May 2016 12: 08
      -2
      Quote: Observer 33
      Of course! Of course there are those who need it. I don’t know how many of them there are, but they do not exist otherwise in our world.

      Of course there is, and they can probably go there quietly, it is not necessary to drag the whole city there.
      Quote: Observer 33
      No one has canceled the desire to gain power, and I think there will be a dozen candidates for "princelings".

      Well, yes, given that the former were shot, fresh meat is required.
  • OlegV
    OlegV 6 May 2016 07: 42
    +19
    And here is Zakharchenko’s answer regarding the May 9 parade
    1. Dembel77
      Dembel77 6 May 2016 07: 48
      +6
      Now the population in Odessa, like a sour milk without yeast, will sour a little more. Yeast there, yeast! And without them - no way!
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      2. Normal ok
        Normal ok 6 May 2016 09: 03
        +6
        Quote: Dembel 77
        Now the population in Odessa, like a sour milk without yeast, will sour a little more. Yeast there, yeast! And without them - no way!

        There are few real violent ones, and there are no leaders ... laughing
        1. andj61
          andj61 6 May 2016 20: 04
          +1
          Quote: Normal ok
          Quote: Dembel 77
          Now the population in Odessa, like a sour milk without yeast, will sour a little more. Yeast there, yeast! And without them - no way!

          There are few real violent ones, and there are no leaders ... laughing

          That's it .. When my great-grandfather said that the most terrible revenge in the village was to throw a hateful neighbor in need a little bit of yeast or sourdough.
          So it will be there the same thing - stink, bubbles - and nothing more. No one there will not raise a rebellion.
          1. atalef
            atalef 6 May 2016 20: 33
            +1
            Quote: andj61
            That's it .. When my great-grandfather said that the most terrible revenge in the village was to throw a hateful neighbor in need a little bit of yeast or sourdough.

            Your great-grandfather told you, but I saw the consequences (though they threw a pack of 200g at the motor depot).
            All this rose and climbed with bubbles in all directions.
            This is a complete paragraph.
            Chemical attack - baby talk.
            cesspools pumped out gas masks.
            And all the same until the frosts all this dregs continued.
            1. Anglorussian
              Anglorussian 7 May 2016 00: 35
              0
              A bucket of bleach (or two) and no problems other than the need to capture a saboteur.
              This is a complete paragraph.
      3. D. Dan
        D. Dan 6 May 2016 21: 54
        -2
        It's time to ferment the yeast! And add to Odessa kvashnya.®
  • Portolan
    Portolan 6 May 2016 07: 57
    -4
    I don’t believe this zarcharchenka-carpenter’s, rebellion needs to be prepared, as the Bandera’s Maidan was preparing, and not rely on civilians, this requires weapons and money, and most importantly POLITICAL WILL, and Zakharchenkin is too much dependent on the Kremlin, who wants to return Novorussia to composition of Ukraine.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 6 May 2016 10: 28
      0
      Quote: Portolan
      why can’t I believe this zarcharchenka-carpenter

      I absolutely agree with your opinion. Perhaps there are still people who think so. "Plusanul", but for some reason it popped up as much as 2 !!! "minus". Either the site does not work correctly, or at the "highest level" your opinion is not liked by someone. Sincerely, revnagan.
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 6 May 2016 15: 08
        +1
        Quote: revnagan
        "Plusanul", but for some reason popped up as much as 2 !!! "minus"

        It’s just up to you, someone has already put three minuses, and you simply updated the page with your advantage. - laughing
      2. Portolan
        Portolan 6 May 2016 17: 19
        +3
        Quote: revnagan
        I absolutely agree with your opinion. Perhaps there are still people who think so. "Plusanul", but for some reason it popped up as much as 2 !!! "minus". Either the site does not work correctly, or at the "highest level" your opinion is not liked by someone. Sincerely, revnagan.


        don't you understand yet what topovo is? This is a platform for not democratic ones - their own statements, but a place where the "official point of view" is supported, so you cannot express yourself even if the words are completely censorship, and if you have diverged too much from the permitted course, then the program is turned off (or the program is turned on). imposing a thick layer of red minuses on your opinion, such as someone does not agree, although, as you can see, no one is openly protesting. If the Kremlin and all the top ones are criticized, then there are many minuses, if the opinion is not on acute topics (historical or say the Moon program of amers), then will you smooth your speech to zero ??, that's what surprised me most of all until I understood. In short, democracy in action is called.
        1. atalef
          atalef 6 May 2016 18: 32
          -1
          Quote: Portolan
          you still do not understand what is fuel?

          One of the best forums
          Quote: Portolan
          This is a platform for not democratic ones - their own statements, but a place where the "official point of view" is supported, so you cannot express yourself

          And great, great example. bezmatovoe communication. See what a wonderful Russian language, everything can be expressed in ordinary words. For this, the forum and personally Smirnov, thank you very much, although I learned at least 5 times just for the mat, veiled - but nothing, even 4 years have passed - I learned
          Quote: Portolan
          if you diverged too much with the permitted course, then the program is turned off (or include the program) by imposing a thick layer of red minuses on your opinion,

          Not true, people are minus. can you believe me I do not exclude the presence of bots here, but there is definitely no program
          Quote: Portolan
          If the Kremlin is criticized and all sorts of upper ones, then there are many minuses, if an opinion on a non-acute topic (historical or, say, the Moon’s amer program), will your performance be smoothed to zero ??, it surprised me the most until I understood it. In short, democracy is called In action.

          Come on, it would be like that, I wouldn’t climb out of the skulls, although I went down 3 times from the general colonels, but you really cannot call anyone who supports the Kremlin.
          So, believe me (although believe or believe) -Your business.
          IN one of the most appropriate forums with some predominance of urapatriots. But in general, quite adequate comments.
          1. D. Dan
            D. Dan 6 May 2016 21: 57
            0
            And what is in us, cheers of patriots, bad;)))?
            It is a pity that only religiously doctrine is adhered to by the tuta.
          2. Portolan
            Portolan 6 May 2016 22: 06
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            And great, great example. bezmatovoe communication.


            but I'm not talking about mats, but about other words

            Quote: atalef
            One of the best forums


            lately and there is nothing to read

            Quote: atalef
            Not true, people are minus. can you believe me


            no, i won't believe
            Quote: atalef
            IN one of the most appropriate forums with some predominance of urapatriots. But in general, quite adequate comments.
            Reply Quote Report Abuse


            forum level has fallen
  • Altona
    Altona 6 May 2016 08: 59
    +1
    Quote: Teberii
    Zakharchenko is now more important to deal with their problems. And that Odessa on May 2 "missed" its chance, that's for sure.

    ---------------------
    I read on some blog that the main events were planned for May 9, and the activists left for the city. Then the junta was able to deliver a preemptive strike.
    1. atalef
      atalef 6 May 2016 12: 10
      -6
      Quote: Altona
      Ital in a blog that the main events were planned for May 9, and the activists left for the city.

      Everything is as it should be — it was they who studied with the Bolsheviks.
      They did the same all their congresses either abroad or at picnics. laughing
  • revnagan
    revnagan 6 May 2016 10: 03
    +1
    Quote: Teberii
    And that Odessa on May 2 "wasted" its chance, that's for sure.

    Strongly disagree. Odessites did not have a single chance on May 2. The action of intimidation was planned by the junta in advance. Several thousand armed radicals were brought in in advance. The script was written in advance. The "authorities" wrote out indulgences and warrants for murder. Therefore, they were not ready.
    I also categorically disagree with what Zakharchenko says in the plan: "... they rushed at the tanks with sticks ... FUTURE punishers shot OVER their heads ... no one helped, we ourselves ..." People lay down under the tracks of the armored vehicles. All of Eastern Ukraine. The future punishers simply left armored vehicles voluntarily (remember the BMD), a battalion of militias came from the Crimea, and the Shooters companions from Russia. So there is no need to "la-la" about YOURSELF. If only such support was in Odessa, Mariupol and Kharkov , then today the huntai used to sit in their cock-room-Galicia, and breathe with permission.
  • GSH-18
    GSH-18 6 May 2016 11: 00
    0
    Alexander Zakharchenko promised help to Odessa in case of an uprising

    It is very good. You just have to wait a moment good All the same, Novorossia will move away from the kraina, by the way it was annexed there in an unnatural way. Now is the moment of truth. I think at the next Maidan, there will be the next stage of rejection of the forcibly annexed and "donated" Russian territories.
  • Roman 11
    Roman 11 6 May 2016 11: 50
    -1
    Quote: Teberii
    Odessa on May 2 "missed" its chance, that's for sure.

    No profiled.
    Alexander Zakharchenko promised The holy and heroic land will be freed from the Bandera demons!
  • cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 6 May 2016 14: 55
    0
    Quote: Teberii
    Zakharchenko is now more important to deal with their problems

    And this is his problem, the fact that most of New Russia, except for 30 percent of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, are acupunctured by the junta. If Odessa and Kharkov, then in 2014, had risen for the present, then today it would have been different and we would have a completely different New Russia and the outskirts.
  • itr
    itr 6 May 2016 05: 43
    +6
    Damn, why do people love to bother so much ????????? Ask for help, don't ask, sit still
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 6 May 2016 09: 28
      0
      Infowain ... Trying to swing, watching ...
  • Thirteenth
    Thirteenth 6 May 2016 05: 44
    +1
    God help Odessa residents in the liberation of Bandera from power.
    1. SSR
      SSR 6 May 2016 05: 55
      +10
      Quote: Thirteenth
      God help Odessa residents in the liberation of Bandera from power.

      I think until one of the local oligarchs sponsors and helps with the organization (for this you still need an Organizer) of protest and resistance to the local police and will not allow the police directive to be loyal to the protesters .... It’s easy to rock the situation, but you need a guiding hand with resource in place.
      1. bddrus
        bddrus 6 May 2016 16: 58
        +1
        as there is in a joke - two Ukrainians = partisan detachment, and three Ukrainians = partisan detachment with a traitor, so it’s risky to start something for people there - there’s a fresh example where the father of two sons passed to the SBU
  • izya top
    izya top 6 May 2016 05: 53
    +4
    We expected GDP to take us to us, but this did not happen.
    hope for uncle again request
    the hero city disappeared, Odessa remained negative
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 6 May 2016 06: 03
      +1
      Quote: izya top
      the hero city disappeared, Odessa remained

      there was an empty shell, from the "pearl by the sea" ...
    2. atalef
      atalef 6 May 2016 06: 18
      -2
      Quote: izya top
      We expected GDP to take us to us, but this did not happen. hope for uncle again

      So in the Donbass - they waited.
      In general, an interesting cry - and what can Zakharchenko offer Odessa? In the DPR and LPR live even worse and no prospects, but in addition to everything they shoot.
      In general (it seems to me) - this whole conversation is an ordinary bullshit with an ordinary duck.
      The situation (not with an armed gaze) is visible alone.
      All live badly, only in Odessa do not shoot. I wonder what an adequate person would choose?
      1. Lyton
        Lyton 6 May 2016 06: 50
        +2
        Well, apparently an adequate person would wish that the entire ruling elite in Kiev would simply die, but in their place will come the same, if not worse, like the Natsik Yarosh da Tyagnibok.
        1. atalef
          atalef 6 May 2016 12: 22
          0
          Quote: Lyton
          Well, apparently an adequate person would wish that the entire ruling elite in Kiev would simply die, but in their place will come the same, if not worse, like the Natsik Yarosh da Tyagnibok.

          I agree (by the way, I think the inhabitants of the DPR also think about it) since if in Ukraine it’s just shitty, then in the DPR it’s shitty and shoot.
      2. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 6 May 2016 06: 53
        +6
        They don’t shoot in Odessa, they quietly choke there. In Odessa, the holiday season begins, after the loss of the Crimea there is not much to go, all of Maidania will go to the sea - there. Money is lucky. So the mood of the inhabitants of Odessa will rise, and well-being will grow. And in New Russia will cease to pull. After all, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not shoot at LDNR in order to win - they are not capable of it, but to intimidate other regions - like, you’ll become nomadic and we’ll shoot at you! To be afraid!
      3. Igor39
        Igor39 6 May 2016 06: 54
        +7
        Yeah, LDNR is a sprouting sprout of democracy and social justice in the world, he was going to help, LDNR without the help of Russia would have long been regions of Ukraine, what kind of bravado does it have? Kapets ...
        PS Is he not going to help Putin in Syria?
      4. sdc_alex
        sdc_alex 6 May 2016 07: 20
        +4
        Good position, correct, from the point of view of the fittest. I don’t know, fortunately or unfortunately, but, it seems to me, that is exactly what Odessa people think.
        Like, x_e_r with him since May 9, with people in the house of the trade unions, they didn’t burn me and okay, we will continue to live under any power and adapt to it, just to not shoot. Maybe I won’t get to my hut.
      5. Hell's Angel
        Hell's Angel 6 May 2016 07: 53
        +4
        In general, an interesting cry - and what can Zakharchenko offer Odessa? In the DPR and LPR live even worse and no prospects, but in addition to everything they shoot.
        Well, Moses, when your people drove through the desert, it was also not around a six-star hotel with visits there to rest. Remember what for?
        Why am I doing this? Maybe that's how it is necessary for the people to "mature" themselves? And the brains fell into place. Although there is a danger that people will simply get tired and "score" at everything.
      6. yehat
        yehat 6 May 2016 09: 25
        +3
        that shoot in the Donbass, the merit is not Donbass.
        moreover, if they dutifully tolerated what was being imposed on them, well, yes, they would shoot less, but how many militants with batons would kill people?
        look, how many marauders and patients on the head flown under the signs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ter. Battalions, do you really think that if Donbass did not rock the boat, would the same faces be engaged in another? It would be like they started in the Crimea - they would come by whole trains, arrange Odessa-2, Odessa-3, etc.
      7. black
        black 6 May 2016 09: 44
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        All live badly, only in Odessa do not shoot. I wonder what an adequate person would choose?

        And it asks a person living in a country where they always shoot and explode.
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      9. Sergey Medvedev
        Sergey Medvedev 6 May 2016 13: 03
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        All live badly, only in Odessa do not shoot. I wonder what an adequate person would choose?


        You can write me inadequate. The fact of the massacre in Odessa and the impunity of the killers speaks volumes. He talks about the lack of freedom. If you disagree with banderlogs, they will kill you and will not punish anyone for that. Like a stray dog. Such a life will definitely not suit me. I would prefer freedom with shooting than bloodless lack of freedom.
        1. atalef
          atalef 6 May 2016 15: 21
          -2
          Quote: Sergei Medvedev
          You can write me inadequate. The fact of the massacre in Odessa and the impunity of the killers speaks volumes

          The shooting of the White House by Yeltsin - what does it tell you?
          Oh then. Yes, the bulk of it doesn’t give a damn, especially since there are about a dozen versions of what happened - choose whatever is convenient for you .. and live with a clear conscience.

          Quote: Sergei Medvedev
          He talks about the lack of freedom

          Of freedom? Can it be eaten in the DPR and LPR? Ask Skomorokhov for rallies and even single pickets are allowed or is there freedom in the Russian Federation? Well, come out so alone with a poster - look
          Quote: Sergei Medvedev
          . If you disagree with banderlogs, you will be killed and no one will be punished

          Any facts?
          Quote: Sergei Medvedev
          Such a life will definitely not suit me. I would prefer freedom with shooting than bloodless lack of freedom.

          You still prefer to sit on the couch maybe for freedom, I already wrote to you.
          1. black
            black 6 May 2016 15: 53
            +1
            I agree with Sergey. True, your last argument, in relation to me, will not work. I pulled away from the couch.
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          3. Sergey Medvedev
            Sergey Medvedev 7 May 2016 00: 04
            0
            [quote = atalef] The shooting of the White House by Yeltsin - what does it tell you? [/ quote]
            The fact that there was an armed confrontation between the two sides. Supporters of the Supreme Council also shot at Ostankino and elsewhere. Without developing the topic of who considers someone right, I will say one thing. The side that the Army supported was victorious.

            [quote = atalef] Freedom? Can it be eaten in the DPR and LPR? Ask Skomorokhov for rallies and even single pickets are allowed or is there freedom in the Russian Federation? Well, come out alone with a poster - look [/ quote]
            In the DPR, wartime in all countries provides for restrictions in this case.
            With a poster on the street, I can’t imagine myself. Here (Zamudonites) Zamaidans in Yekaterinburg crawled out with posters. What’s the most interesting thing - they didn’t burn any of them!
            [quote = atalef] Any facts? [/ quote]
            There, even a law has already been adopted or adopted that Zaydaynites can kill those who disagree.
            [/ quote] So far, you prefer to sit on the couch as for freedom, I already wrote to you. [/ quote]
            I already ran through the mountains, through the wooded, through the mined ones, so I can afford a sofa.
            Yes, and now you’re hardly sitting in a bunker on the Golan Heights and typing with one finger, and pushing the machine gun with the other.
    3. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 6 May 2016 15: 02
      +1
      Quote: izya top
      the hero city disappeared, Odessa remained

      I agree that neither Fim nor Gotzman remained in Odessa, only Zelensky are corrupt jesters.
      1. Lens
        Lens 6 May 2016 22: 51
        -2
        So much for Fima and Gotzman)))
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 May 2016 06: 31
    +1
    No "Putin will come - will bring order." Themselves and only themselves.

    I completely agree with the author. When you don’t have confidence in yourself and don’t feel the desire to do something, but hope that someone stronger will come and do everything for me, then in the end nothing will come of it, no matter how much you would like to.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 6 May 2016 09: 16
      +1
      the author himself depends directly on Russia's help, and everything is beautiful and folding of course
      1. Roman 11
        Roman 11 6 May 2016 12: 20
        0
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        the author himself directly depends on the help of Russia

        Then all the more promises of help carry weight.
      2. Scoun
        Scoun 6 May 2016 15: 01
        0
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        the author himself depends directly on Russia's help, and everything is beautiful and folding of course

        If the people did not support the author, as you put it, then no outside support would help, the locals would not go to the militia, at least with all the consequences.
        1. atalef
          atalef 6 May 2016 15: 23
          -1
          Quote: Scoun
          If the people did not support the author, as you put it, then no external support would help

          There are always those who will help.
          Quote: Scoun
          the locals would not go to the militia at least with all the consequences.

          So the bulk didn’t go (at first), but when the money turned around and there was no other job. Here they go.
  • Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 6 May 2016 06: 33
    +17
    The wolf, fox and pig fell into the pit ...

    The fox looks at the pig and thinks:

    - There is meat, we can hold out for some time, but there you look, and we get out ...

    ... The wolf looked at the pig:

    - There is meat ...


    He looked at the fox:

    - Baba is ... You can live ...

    The pig looked at both and says:

    “Well, I have nothing to do here ... Let’s even sing, or something ...”

    Everyone agreed ...

    Like a pig sings, neither the fox nor the wolf knew ...

    And the pig is squealing!

    The hunters heard - they came running, they killed the wolf and the fox ...

    The last thought of the waning consciousness of the wolf:

    - The meat was ... The heifer was ... No, shit, I wanted the show !!!

    So hohloukropy lived grief did not know, so no, show them the show ... from the EU (such as lace panties).
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 6 May 2016 06: 35
    -3
    Soon Poroshenko himself will be called Ukraine with his gang. And the rest of the territory will become independent entities.
    1. potroshenko
      potroshenko 6 May 2016 11: 18
      -2
      Are you on such slogans to the Marshal pumped?
  • brasist
    brasist 6 May 2016 06: 41
    +6
    There is no more opportunity to endure these crooks, calling themselves the country's leadership. We expected GDP to take us to us, but this did not happen.
    And they don’t remember that?
    1. Lens
      Lens 6 May 2016 09: 13
      0
      I completely forgot this video! But such a classic! Well now wait dear "cons"! at the same time and comments - they are all paid, maydanutye)))))
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 6 May 2016 10: 23
        +1
        Quote: Lens
        they are all paid, maydanutye)))))

        Why paid? Just maydanutye ...
        Everyone chooses for himself. Only then ask stupid questions, don't, like: "What about us?" In general everything is good.
    2. brasist
      brasist 6 May 2016 09: 51
      0
      minus signers and what’s wrong here (mikhail to help you).
  • askort154
    askort154 6 May 2016 06: 52
    +8
    NATO planned, from 2019. build its base in Sevastopol for complete control over the Black Sea region. The dream did not come true. Now they plan to create a Black Sea naval NATO bloc, which will include Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia and Ukraine. And since Ukraine has only one major port of Odessa, NATO will do everything to prevent Odessa from "slipping out" from Ukraine. Saakashvili was put there "watching". For the "uprising" of Odessa, a powerful structural organization and resources are needed. Neither one nor the other is there yet.
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 6 May 2016 15: 19
      0
      Quote: askort154
      For the "uprising" of Odessa, a powerful structural organization and resources are needed. Neither one nor the other is there yet.

      And it is unlikely to be; fifty percent of the residents are stoned dill, the rest are undecided and scared to the point of karachun. What could be there? What structure and organization? If only for a lot of money and then ...: - "grandmother for three."
  • pts-m
    pts-m 6 May 2016 06: 52
    0
    Not everything is done with a wave of the wand. That's when the majority of Kakhlov pick up more ... class hatred ... then Maybe something will happen in "Odessa".
  • cedar
    cedar 6 May 2016 06: 54
    +7
    Odessa catacombs.
    The oath of Odessa partisans.

    Already in 1972, more than half a million people visited the Nerubai catacombs, and in 1980 the memorial partisan complex, according to UNESCO, was recognized as the most visited underground facility in the world.
    Museum of Partisan Glory Near the memorial square there is a sculptural composition "People's Avengers" depicting a group of partisans, who leave the catacombs to complete a combat mission.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 6 May 2016 07: 01
    +9
    "Yes, Zakharchenko made it clear that on May 2, 2014 Odessa" missed "her chance."
    "No 'Putin will come - he will put things in order." By yourself and only yourself, This is freedom of will. "

    Let Kharkov remember Zakharchenko ...
    Without money, weapons and organization - any protest will end in the basements of the special services.
    Let Mr. Zakharchenko sort out his statements about the liberation of the "illegally occupied territory of the DPR" and "Minsk" ...
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 6 May 2016 08: 20
      +1
      Let Mr. Zakharchenko sort out his statements about the liberation of the "illegally occupied territory of the DPR" and "Minsk" ...
      Not sts in compote, over time, we'll figure it out ....
      1. potroshenko
        potroshenko 6 May 2016 11: 23
        +1
        Well, and time is playing on whose side?
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 6 May 2016 07: 02
    +1
    With further weakening of Ukraine, federalization will begin by itself.
    There will be the formation of specific principalities, which will themselves regulate
    system and provision. And then it makes sense to take action.
    1. black
      black 6 May 2016 10: 41
      +1
      I gave you a plus for a common thought, but you yourself understand that three minuses are not one plus. The result is predictable. I can even theoretically assume the argumentation of the minuses. One from the ideological patriots of the Square. Two, at least, from the patriots of the local spill. They do not take the seat off the couch, they believe that Putin will come, order now. The fundamental essence of the third world war lies in the destruction of state structures, and not in the seizure of territories and the destruction of enemy armies. I am an old soldier and I do not know the words of love ... But I really love numbers and facts. The number of tanks, artillery barrels, MLRS launchers, ammunition stocks, military-industrial complex capabilities, mobresurs. And does anyone know that the Kirovograd brigade was withdrawn from the ATO zone not because of rotation. The SBU is atrocities there now. The battalion commander of the 25th brigade was taken directly from the front for calls to go to Kiev. Processes are underway. Kernes came to Moscow. "On personal matters." The National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine is reviewing the lists of Russian media and journalists banned on the Square.
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 6 May 2016 13: 35
        0
        Processes are underway. Kernes came to Moscow. "
        They came to Moscow and Yaytsenyuk with Akhmetov, they say pan Rabbit brought some papers to the current elite of Ukraine, and Akhmetov just wants a guarantee for his enterprises ............ and why would it ???
        1. black
          black 6 May 2016 14: 49
          0
          Quote: 72jora72
          and why would it ???

          A strong north wind blew.
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  • kuz363
    kuz363 6 May 2016 07: 16
    +8
    In general, it would be beneficial for Russia to maintain the current situation. To ensure the continued existence of the country by the EU and the United States And she scrambled herself. If suddenly something incredible happened and Ukraine was liberated (or at least part of Ukraine), then what should Russia do? In the current conditions, Russia itself is already spending reserves on its own maintenance. Ukrainian loans should definitely be forgiven. And the rest of the countries, including China, will not even think about it. So then Russia will have to pay back the debts of Ukraine? This is somewhere under 80 billion. dollars. Plus, contain 40 million people - almost a third of Russia! On the other hand, you can't leave the "brothers"! Also to restore the industry (which will then be a competitor to Russia), medicine, education, housing and communal services, jobs ... And do not forget that Western investors have already bought some of the enterprises and land in Ukraine and they will not go anywhere. And the EU and the US will gladly throw off this burden on Russia's long-suffering shoulders.
    1. kit-kat
      kit-kat 6 May 2016 09: 53
      -1
      With Western investors, you can do what the Bolsheviks did - "expropriation of the expropriators." What problems? All one, the sanctions will not be lifted.
  • Exumer
    Exumer 6 May 2016 07: 45
    +3
    I think the Odessans will not be able to rally, they will wait until Ukraine itself begins to disintegrate (and then the map will fall), and indeed they really had a terrible reason to come up with the same shovels and choppers, but alas, for some reason they did not use it, unlike Donbass residents who defended at the cost of their lives and continue to defend their right to a normal life.
    1. brasist
      brasist 6 May 2016 08: 03
      0
      wait out the most reliable way, everything is correct (and there as the card will fall) that is, the winner is right. Sometimes it seems that in Odessa there were absolutely no real Odessaites left ...
  • mamont5
    mamont5 6 May 2016 08: 01
    +5
    "No" Putin will come - he will put things in order. By yourself and only yourself. "

    Rough, but TRUE. No wonder they sang:
    "No one will give us deliverance -
    Neither god, nor king, nor hero
    We will achieve liberation
    With your own hand. "
  • shcishcok
    shcishcok 6 May 2016 09: 09
    +1
    "When will Putin come and save us?" oh you my god! Batman or what? or Captain Russia? and what are you? don't want to change anything? if only they would come to you and do everything for you! on Russia, and so the barrel rolls groundlessly, and if we still come to "liberate"! Odessa, they will raise such a howl! and the UN will be one with them. What are you? the government of Bashar al-Assad, which officially asked for help from Russia? no. That's it, that's it. The capture will already be, not salvation. YOU are another state, independent. It is a pity that the Odessa region is part of this state. No, my dears - YOURSELF! decide your destiny. And then you will come to you with help, and then again you will talk about the occupation. We swam - we know. Tea is not Chingachgook - we don't step on the same rake twice. (Well, at least we try))))
  • shcishcok
    shcishcok 6 May 2016 09: 18
    0
    Yes! and Crimea was an Autonomous Republic within Ukraine. With its constitution. And the article of this Constitution (I don’t remember No.) stated that Crimea has a right! hold a referendum at the local level. Everything is legal. What the Crimean authorities took advantage of - held a referendum and - cheers! Hooray! Crimea has returned home! And all politicians in Kiev know about this Constitution! (but they are silent, like dogs) (although, why offend the human four-legged friends so much?). Here. And Azarov knows, for some reason, in numerous interviews, he has never voiced it! HOORAY! CRIMEA - at home! Happy Victory Day, dear comrades !!! Happy Victory Day, ladies and gentlemen !! Happy Victory Day, dear residents of Donbass !! Happy Victory Day, Ukraine !!
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 6 May 2016 09: 22
    +4
    "Zakharchenko promised to help the citizens of Odessa in case of an uprising."
    To promise is not to marry.
  • user3970
    user3970 6 May 2016 09: 23
    +4
    In order not to be unfounded ... For three years he lived in Odessa, worked on the construction of the Odessa ATEC. Pos. Belyaevka. So, Odessa and Odessa region are extremely wealthy people. . Buy a machine gun, grenade launcher, machine gun on Privoz? No problem ! So what to arm and create a militia with shelter in the catacombs or in the Dniester reed floodplain? So what about choppers is not necessary. Regarding that everything was bought by foreigners? In the absence of energy supply for the functioning of the object of purchase, its cost and operation tends to zero. As an example ... In Kazakhstan, uranium was mined in mines. The Americans did not buy uranium mines, which is expensive, they bought a power station that supplied the mines with electricity, and the mines closed. With regards to industry in (in) Ukraine ... Why the hell is it needed there ?! Let them grow tomatoes, eggplant, walnuts, corn ...
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    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 6 May 2016 10: 12
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      Quote: user3970
      In order not to be unfounded ... For three years he lived in Odessa, worked on the construction of the Odessa ATEC. Pos. Belyaevka. So, Odessa and Odessa region are extremely wealthy people. . Buy a machine gun, grenade launcher, machine gun on Privoz? No problem ! So what to arm and create a militia with shelter in the catacombs or in the Dniester reed floodplain?

      About the fact that there is a possibility - there is no desire. Whoever you can’t talk to, there is anger at the government because of the worsening economic situation. BUT, no one has the desire to exchange the world for war. And Donbass plays an indicative role here - since there, no one wants to. And they don’t like Donetsk people here, since the dashing 90s.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 6 May 2016 09: 29
    0
    Zakharchenko started a good deed - psychological support of the population of New Russia.
  • NUR
    NUR 6 May 2016 09: 43
    +4
    In Ukraine, a one-way game of the West takes place, money is allocated on credit, officials steal this money to return this money, raise fees for all utility bills, stolen money go to offshore, where they are controlled by the West, when an official travels to the West they offer him to share the loot if he does not agree to it or is imprisoned, or he leaves this mortal world. Thus, an ordinary citizen of the country to which a loan is paid pays for everything. Therefore, the West supports thieving officials. This business is nothing personal.
  • NUR
    NUR 6 May 2016 09: 52
    +3
    Color revolutions and others take place in order to make it easier to rob the country in which this revolution took place. During a mess, no one pays attention to the theft of the state, the task is somehow to survive. And this booth can take years, the longer the poorer the country will become.
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  • Renepjd
    Renepjd 6 May 2016 10: 45
    -7
    But does Russia really help the DNI and the LC?
    Not really
    1. black
      black 6 May 2016 11: 00
      +5
      The question is rhetorical or practical? Believe both the witness and the participant. Without the help of Russia, neither the DNR nor the LC would have existed at all.
  • Dulat
    Dulat 6 May 2016 10: 47
    -4
    Why not the DNI, LNR and Odessa to pick up the whole of Ukraine under their leadership, it seems to me that they will succeed and drive out pro-Western officials
  • Sergey333
    Sergey333 6 May 2016 11: 21
    0
    Dulat, you are in a hurry, everything has its time. The United States is not asleep, and Russia will not be able to save them from carpet bombing.
  • vladimirw
    vladimirw 6 May 2016 12: 20
    +1
    Then there will be both Novorossia and free great Russia
  • eskanderRUS
    eskanderRUS 6 May 2016 16: 42
    0
    Now all of Ukraine, I write with a small letter, looks like a huge clown show. With empty chatter with delirium in my head and cowardly whine "VVP, go home." If God punishes people, he takes their minds away. God left Ukraine.
  • Aragorn
    Aragorn 7 May 2016 00: 35
    0
    [quote = Lens] Thank you for the frank and truthful words. Unfortunately, I don’t know where you were called to the board about the SS. Maybe somewhere in the west. Notice I do not deny this possibility. In the center, I am from Kiev, there are no such excesses. Children go to ordinary schools, today they laid flowers at the monument to the dead soldiers of the Soviet army.

    On Thursday, I saw in Kiev, the Troeshchina (sleeping) district, in the park near the district administration, there were celebrations in honor of Victory Day, but with one ...
    - The holiday is called "the day of victory in the Second World War" and at the same time, for some reason, the day of reconciliation (who was not disclosed with whom).
    - The banner of victory in Ukraine is yellow-blue.
    - Ukraine is one of the victorious countries in the Second World War (together with dozens of other countries ... etc.
    - Flowers were laid not on the soldiers of the Red (Soviet) Army, but on "the sons of Ukraine, the flower of the Ukrainian nation, etc."
    - The background music was Soviet melodies without words, probably to reassure veterans who weren’t understanding anything.
    - On the lapels "European studs with a black hole in the middle).
    - All songs (pop) are only in Ukrainian.
    - The continuity of the veterans of those and "these" (ATO) was sung
    - Those few veterans who were allowed to the microphone clearly got the installation of what to say and what to avoid. The only thing the organizers of this event could not do was to teach the speaking veterans to speak Ukrainian.
    1. Lens
      Lens 7 May 2016 08: 38
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      Well, what do you mean by that? What other participants in the second world (World War II) war should in their country (the British, French, Americans) conduct events in the territory of their country with red banners and only in Russian? As for the colors of red poppy - an international symbol. In the light of recent events, they themselves must understand the St. George ribbon, the attitude is ambiguous. Well. not all are tolerant. like the pope. I won’t talk about reconciliation - I don’t know what stupidity.
      But was the triumph? Yes. Soviet music? Yes. Maybe you saw the portraits of Bandera? Not. Did the SS marches play? Not.
      And you don’t need to sign for the veterans ... They went through such a thing that I think they had all sorts of settings in mind.