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Lobaev Corporation and its precision rifles

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The Lobaev Corporation, created by the brothers Vladislav and Nikolai Lobayev, is currently developing and producing ultra-accurate long-range rifles that can compete with the world's best models. Today, this young Russian private company produces rifles that are distinguished by extremely high accuracy of fire - about 0,2 - 0,3 angular minutes (MOA). Rifles under the brand Lobaev are in demand among enthusiasts of shooting and hunting at long and ultra-long distances. They are also in service with the FSO (SBP), FSIN and several other special services of Russia.


Currently, Lobaev Corporation consists of: KBIS - Integrated Systems Design Bureau, which specializes in the development and pilot production of small-scale samples weapons high accuracy and long range, fire complexes, means of preparing data for shooting, as well as other innovative products; LOBAEV Arms - an enterprise that was formed by the team of Tsar-Pushka, a leader in the production of unique high-precision and long-range sniper rifles; LOBAEV Hummer Barrels is an enterprise specializing in the production of high-precision barrel blanks and barrels not only for firearms, but also for airguns.

“I had more 12 best sniper rifles in the world, I shot from many more rifles, and four of them were Lobaev rifles,” told reporters RBC Andrei Ryabinsky, who is the head of the board of directors of the MIC group of companies, Ryabinsky is seriously keen on sniper shooting. Vladislav Lobaev was his instructor, at the end of 2015 of the year they were able to set one of the world records in shooting. From the Lobaev SVLC-14 “Dusk” super-long-range rifle, 5 managed to hit the target 50 on 50 centimeters, located at a distance of 2165 meters (Vladislav Lobaev himself was a spotter), in a row. “I can responsibly declare that Lobayev’s rifles in the .408 Cheyenne Tactical caliber (10,3x77 mm) currently simply have no equal in the world, and if they do not exceed the caliber .338 (8,6X70 mm) in the world, they definitely compete with the best world models sniper weapons ", - said Ryabinsky. It is worth noting that in April 2015, the company set a world record in rifle range - 3400 meters. The record shot, which confirms the high position of the Russian company in the international arena, was made by 9 April 2015 of the year from the custom version of the SVLC-14C rifle.

SVLC-14S "Dusk", photo: lobaevarms.ru


You can tell more about this rifle. The SVLK-14С TWILIGHT super-long-rifle (Dusk) is a unique weapon that for the past six years has been showing record numbers at distances that significantly exceed the two-kilometer line. The new model of this rifle has a reinforced multilayer sandwich of carbon fiber, fiberglass, Kevlar and is specifically designed to be used with such powerful ammunition, which is .408 Cheyenne Tactical (10,3x77 mm). To further enhance the design of the rifle, a long aluminum chassis was specially integrated into its box.

At the heart of this rifle is a well-deserved bolt group King v.3, which is produced in tolerances significantly more stringent than is customary in the industry today. The body of the receiver is made of aviation aluminum with a threaded insert of high-alloy, corrosion-resistant steel. The shutter of the rifle is also made of solid corrosion-resistant steel. The SVLC-14С rifle was intentionally left exclusively in a single-shot version in order to provide the necessary rigidity of the receiver, which is needed when firing at ultra-long distances, as well as the modularity of the weapon and the change of gauges (gates with larvae: Cheytac, Magnum, Supermagnum). Match barrel rifle LOBAEV Hummer Barrels, made of stainless steel, completes the picture. Manufactured to the highest standards of the rifle world, these barrels make shooting on the edge of the possible - possible. True, and pay for it will have a rather big amount. According to the manufacturer, the SVLC-14 rifle will cost the client at least 1 250 000 rubles.

Performance characteristics SVLC-14С:
Caliber - .408 Cheytac / .338LM / .300WM.
The maximum effective range of use - 2500 + m.
Technical accuracy - 0.3 MOA / 9 mm between the centers (5 shots on 100).
The muzzle velocity is more than 900 m / s.
Overall dimensions: length - 1430 mm, height - 175 mm, width - 96 mm.
Barrel length - 900 mm.
Weight - 9600 g.
Trigger pull - adjustable from 50 to 1500.
The working temperature range is -45 / + 65 C.

Vladislav Lobaev, Chief Designer and Founder of Lobaev Corporation, his brother Nikolay Lobaev, its director and co-founder. Vladislav was a graduate of the Faculty of Philosophy of Moscow State University. It would seem that the specialty has nothing to do with firearms, but in 2000, he took up benchrest, fascinated by this type of modern sport during his business trip to the USA in the middle of 1990, as an employee of the private detective bureau "Alex". Benchrest or shooting from the machine (English benchrest shooting) is a type of shooting-technical sports, which is referred to as high-precision shooting. Its main task is to achieve high accuracy. The task of the shooter in benchrest is to make 5 (or 10, depending on the conditions of the competition) shots at a test target. This type of high-precision shooting has grown from the most banal shooting of a weapon from a sandbag, eventually becoming a separate type of shooting sport. Shooting in benchrest is performed sitting at a special table with the installation of a rifle in the focus for shooting.

Training in high-precision and ultra-long-range shooting, photo: lobaevarms.ru


“A strong passion for shooting sports led to an understanding of the obvious things - it’s extremely difficult to win with a weapon at a serious international competition,” Lobaev told RBC journalists. Exact rifles were available only to the elect, in practice this meant only one thing: if your rifle is not prepared by a famous gunsmith, then you automatically drop out of the list of applicants fighting for prizes. Therefore, Vladislav Lobayev decided to design his own rifles, going on an internship in the United States, where he studied with famous gunsmiths Clay Spencer and Thomas Spidi Gonzales. Returning back to Russia in 2003, he founded Tsar-Pushka LLC with his brother, this company was engaged in the creation and production of high-precision rifles.

“At that time, it was a real startup to start a business, had to sell a private four-room apartment in Moscow on Arbat. The decision to open a business was difficult, especially for my relatives and loved ones, ”Lobaev said now with a laugh. According to him, at the first stage, his colleagues and benchrest friends also helped with business development money. In 2005, Tsar-Pushka became the country's first private company that managed to obtain a license to manufacture weapons - the well-known companies Orsis and Skat will start working in Russia later. “We became the first company to embark on this journey from scratch,” emphasizes Lobaev. After obtaining a license in Russia, the company first rented premises located at the Podolsk Electromechanical Plant, and in 2007, it opened a small production facility in the small town of Tarusa, located in the Kaluga Region.

In 2010, in an interview with Forbes magazine, Lobaev said that in 2009, Tsar-Pushku sold 80 rifles, earning approximately 20 million rubles in revenue, and in 2010, the company planned to produce already 200 rifles. However, in the same year, the Ministry of Industry and Trade refused to extend the license to Tsar-Pushku, issued in 2005 for a period of 5 years. Because of this, the company could not only produce weapons, but also sell finished products in Russia. Without naming specific companies, Lobayev said that the events of 2010 of the year were a manifestation of “unfair competition”. "We then made a decision - than to fight and lay our head here, it is better to reduce the degree of tension," he says. In 2010, almost all of the then team of the company, consisting of 15 people, moved to the United Arab Emirates (UAE). In this country, under a contract with the Arab holding Tawazun, a new company was launched - Tawazun Advanced Defense Systems (TADS), where the team from Russia continued to do their direct business - the development and production of high-precision shooting systems.



While in the UAE, the Russians were able to develop and prepare for mass production about 20 models of ultra-accurate long-range sniper weapons, two of their rifles eventually began to be made by Caracal, which absorbed TADS in 2013 year. The result of their work in the Emirates was the creation of sniper rifles: KS-11M (King Single) with interchangeable barrels, TSR-30 (Tactical Sniper Rifle) in 300 WM or .338 LM calibers, and TSR-40 of .338 SnipeTac caliber, which was created on the basis of the rifle model KS-11M. These sniper rifles were adopted by the elite units of the UAE army and the Royal Guard (Royal Guard). All rifles were designed to fire at a distance of more than 2000 meters.

In 2013, their contract with TADS ended, after which the Tsar Cannon employees decided to return to the Russian Federation. Moreover, the Ministry of Industry and Trade issued the company very quickly in December 2013 of the year, this time the license for the production of weapons was issued indefinitely. After his return to Russia, Vladislav Lobayev together with his brother Nikolai Lobayev founded the Lobaev corporation, which is still in the formative stage. Over the 2014 year, this corporation was able to design and introduce into production 7 new models of high-precision long-range rifles. “All over the world, no one has ever done this, Russian productions are not able to do that either,” Lobaev is rightly proud of his company’s speed. According to him, at present, the corporation is gradually moving away from the practice of manufacturing "piece" rifles, intending to bring all new models of weapons to the market already in series. "For the first time in stories Companies we will work on the warehouse glut. We will add some variety to the coverings of the rifles produced, so that the buyer can choose “exactly the same, but with mother-of-pearl buttons,” Vladislav Lobaev told journalists smiling.

According to the designer, already in 2016, the Lobaev corporation is going to earn 150-200 million rubles of revenue. At the same time, in 2015, revenues amounted to "several tens of millions of rubles." According to Vladislav, in the past two years a lot of money and effort has been spent on creating new models of high-precision small arms, now sales should grow. But on the release of rifles alone, Lobaev is not going to stop. In 2015, a tactical robot was added to the traditional products, which was designated Minirex RS1A3, which was released by a new division of the corporation - Lobaev Robotics. The robot on a tracked platform weighs 23 kg, it will get into service the 7,62 × 39 mm caliber systems, as well as the sniper 40LW and 338LW. At the same time, this is only the first swallow in the line of corporation fighting robots. According to Vladislav Lobayev, the company has already announced the creation of assault robots, counter snipers and robotic snipers. “We are currently working on the network integration of robots into a single unit on the battlefield, we are searching for specialists who will write the necessary software, but for now the work has been outsourced,” notes Lobaev. The division of Lobaev Robotics already has the first third-party investor, whose name is kept secret, in other divisions the Brothers of the Lobayevs have no partners yet.

Minirex RS1A3 Robot


In the Russian Federation, the demand for high-precision rifles is small and it is unlikely that it will seriously grow, for this reason Lobaev Corporation needs a global sales market, Andrei Ryabinsky notes. In his opinion, the “Lobaevsky” rifles are needed by the Russian army and special units, which, if they acquire them now, to a very limited extent (according to Lobaev himself, now up to 80% of rifle sales falls to civilian weapons). Actually, the presidential security service (SBP) armed with these rifles - a unit of the Federal Security Service of Russia, which was first interested in Lobaev’s ballistic calculator and then his rifles.

Most often, the sniper in dealing with the task set before him deals with fixed firing ranges: he has the opportunity to measure the distance to the target, introduce all the necessary corrections to the scope and take a shot at the right time. At the same time, SBP snipers, in fact, are sniper hunters. They have no fixed range or much time to prepare a shot: they must hit the target almost instantly in the entire range of ranges - from maximum to minimum, while their opponent is preparing to shoot. The chances of a sniper and a counter sniper are equalized due to a higher level of training for the FSO fighters, as well as better equipment - in particular, the rifles themselves. The fact that the president’s security service is armed with Lobaev’s rifles is in itself a sign of recognition of the highest quality of their products.

Lobaev himself estimates the volume of the domestic market for high-precision rifles - from 2-3 to 8-10 thousands of units per year. According to him, the Russian market is growing slowly, although it attracts new people. “He considers legislative restrictions on the possession of rifled weapons to be one of the main limiting factors. It would be reasonable, for example, to lower the barrier from 5 years to 2 years, and for the military and citizens who served in the army in general to cancel it, ”says Vladislav Lobaev. Sanctions against the Russian Federation, in fact, removed foreign competitors from the Russian arms market, but Lobaev is in no hurry to rejoice at this manifestation: the lack of cheap long-term loans in the market does not allow domestic weapon companies to take advantage of the unique situation to seize the market that has become free from foreign products. “A high-quality, good, massive and inexpensive rifle is within our reach, but in practice, investments in the amount of 30 million dollars are required for their introduction into mass production. We are not yet able to provide this, there is no money, ”emphasizes Lobayev.

Snipers of the FSO (SBP) of Russia, photo: lobaevarms.ru


In addition, sanctions against Russia do not allow the company to sell their products in countries that have joined them. “Therefore, it is necessary to locate production directly in their territory. For us, this is a kind of business expansion, we have already prepared proposals in just this vein, ”Lobaev argues, noting that the corporation already has a number of proposals for developing rifle production in other states. If we talk about proposals for cooperation from the Russian arms giants, then further non-specific and informal negotiations are not going. Russian private arms companies and companies with state participation cannot find a common language. Lobayev notes that in the Russian Federation everyone is forced to do everything himself, although coordination in the arms industry is necessary and would only benefit her.

Information sources:
http://www.rbc.ru/magazine/2016/05/570fa16e9a794781cb616f9e?from=rbc_choice
http://sniper-weapon.ru/rossiya/250-svl-svl-svlk-14s-tsvl-8-dxl-3-snajperskaya-vintovka-lobaeva
http://www.popmech.ru/weapon/9439-neveroyatnoe-proizvodstvo-v-rossii-oruzhie-okhrany-prezidenta/#full
http://lobaevarms.ru
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  1. ovod84
    ovod84 5 May 2016 06: 04
    0
    These rifles are needed only by special forces,
    1. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 5 May 2016 07: 18
      23
      these rifles are needed only by a dozen - another lovers of "longrange".
      1. 375 and 400 ST calibers, poorly distributed even in native America
      2. piece production from purchased components
      vintar-kind, but a little rubbish- "I put together a cabinet of ikea for wine bottles, give me 100500 money, and I will fill you with these cabinets" For 10 years the Internet has been bombed with articles about this rifle, but they have sold a couple of dozen differences from the same ORSIS
      py.s. put on a helmet, minus
      1. kugelblitz
        kugelblitz 5 May 2016 07: 35
        11
        What is there to minus? It is true, a highly specialized precision weapon, for special forces or individual pros with a hundred or two notches on the butt. As a lot of tuning studios, manually rivet several supercars based on the conveyor model and sell to a narrow audience. wassat
        1. PKK
          PKK 5 May 2016 21: 04
          0
          I wonder how the state does not react enough to such an important project. The topic is not just monetary, but also useful for all departments. If some kind of oligarch litter money, builds a 1000 sq m apartment for his mistress, then why, a company known to government agencies, cannot find money to serial production. It is still not reasonable in the native country.
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 21 March 2020 07: 42
            0
            This, as well as the forced relocation of the company to the UAE, indicates the priorities of the existing state.
      2. sherp2015
        sherp2015 5 May 2016 07: 52
        13
        Quote: fennekRUS
        and sold, give Gd a couple dozen,

        Why do you skip the letter "O" in the word God, replacing it with a dash?
        Of course off topic, but if you do not mind, please explain
        1. Kenneth
          Kenneth 5 May 2016 08: 16
          21 th
          Anti-Semites are being drawn up with tricky approaches .... And why do you write this word with a capital letter
          1. sherp2015
            sherp2015 5 May 2016 10: 11
            13
            Quote: Kenneth
            Anti-Semites are being drawn up with tricky approaches .... And why do you write this word with a capital letter

            ))))) Zionizd immediately pierced))))))))))))))
            1. Kenneth
              Kenneth 5 May 2016 15: 21
              +1
              Finger to the sky. Zionist found
              Look under the bed of liquid massengers.
              1. Ostwest
                Ostwest 5 May 2016 20: 43
                +1
                -Your excitement is betrayed by a Jew in you, you yourself do not notice;
                -God are embarrassed to write correctly, because they pray to Satan, here you are right about anti-Semites;
                - Only Semites can accuse of anti-Semitism, further Russophobic eruption is possible.
                We'll see.
              2. sherp2015
                sherp2015 19 May 2016 09: 28
                0
                Quote: Kenneth
                Look under the bed of liquid massengers.


                ))) The word "Freemason" is written with one letter "C" ...
                And in general, they correctly noticed you. Why are you so nervous?
        2. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 5 May 2016 12: 37
          +1
          Quote: sherp2015
          if you do not mind please explain

          bad habit just
          1. nrex
            nrex 5 May 2016 17: 20
            0
            Very sorry ....
      3. avt
        avt 5 May 2016 09: 29
        +1
        Quote: fennekRUS
        "For 10 years the Internet has been bombarded with articles about this rifle, but God forbid they sold a couple of dozen, unlike the same ORSIS

        I do not follow ORSIS, but the campaign there is the same canoe as with this one from Lobaev, well, at least
        Quote: fennekRUS
        1. 375 and 400 ST calibers, poorly distributed even in native America
        2. piece production from purchased components

        Even the previous commander of the explosives seemed to say that the cartridge wasn’t accepted for service, so he won’t accept the rifle either and he said something about ORSIS, well, if the memory fails.
        1. Andrey77
          Andrey77 5 May 2016 10: 23
          0
          ORSIS kept on public procurement. Will die soon.
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco 5 May 2016 10: 44
          +2
          Quote: avt
          I’m not following ORSIS, but there’s the same canoe there,

          The stainless steel then Orsis comes from the United States. So the canoe is the same.
        3. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 5 May 2016 12: 43
          +2
          Quote: avt
          cartridge adopted

          look in google SC-152 (SP-14) and SC-154
      4. Andrey77
        Andrey77 5 May 2016 10: 20
        +2
        The rifle is good. But yes - piece goods, owners can be counted on hand. Dress the hockey mask of the goalkeeper =)
      5. vimati
        vimati 5 May 2016 20: 06
        +2
        Do not accept large-caliber rifles in the army! Do not want to work with them! Too much weight and dimensions !!! Take 10 SVD. Shoot from the machine. They select the two best and go to work with them to the limit. SVD must be brought to mind !!!
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 6 May 2016 12: 24
          +1
          Quote: vimati
          SVD must be brought to mind !!!

          there’s nothing to bring there - everything that can be improved in so many years, you need to change both the base of the rifle and the production base.
          On the other hand, Americans still use the M-21 or sniper rifles made on the basis of the M-4 / AR-10 (15) by lengthening the barrel.
      6. would
        would 7 May 2016 11: 45
        0
        1. For such rifles, the weakly distributed not only calibers (which are incorrectly indicated in your message), but cartridges are needed. A high-precision rifle will show high accuracy only with a high-precision cartridge, but you can’t do much on the one hand, and you don’t have to do much on the other. So this is absolutely normal practice based on the qualities and purpose of the weapon.

        The fact that ORSIS sold more rifles is also absolutely normal, and I would even say it right. Lobaev’s rifles have greater accuracy and range of models, but only a small number of shooters are trite. The rest will not be able to use their qualities both because of another task and because of their skills.
    2. vkl.47
      vkl.47 5 May 2016 09: 37
      +4
      maybe he could start to develop the pneumatic market under his own brand. PCP rifles and “breaks” would interest buyers. Moreover, the name is already well-known. You don’t immediately have to sweep our William Shakespeare
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 5 May 2016 10: 25
        +1
        PCP is already a license. It should be designed for the mass market "with the possibility of amplification."
    3. vkfriendly
      vkfriendly 5 May 2016 09: 38
      +2
      Oh how? And I thought to shoot rats at distant sub-senses. :)
    4. max702
      max702 5 May 2016 10: 17
      +1
      But I didn’t really like it ..“Therefore, it is necessary to place production directly on their territory. For us, this is a semblance of business expansion, we have ready proposals in this vein, ”says Lobaev, noting that the corporation already has a number of proposals for deploying the production of rifles in other states.
      Business is great! and money is never superfluous .. BUT! In light of the fierce dishonesty of our "partners" over the hill, this statement raises questions .. And if something happens, the finished production of not the most harmless products will not be taken away? Or is it not a spare airfield again in case of something (which is much worse) ...
    5. Andrey77
      Andrey77 5 May 2016 10: 18
      0
      Of course. Have you seen the .408 Cheyenne Tactical cartridge (10,3x77 mm) on sale?
      1. cdznjckfd
        cdznjckfd 5 May 2016 12: 15
        +2
        Saw)))) we have in Chukotka and not such a sale is.
        1. SSeT
          SSeT 6 May 2016 00: 09
          0
          Do not joke! you don’t have Shaytekov on sale
    6. 3danimal
      3danimal 21 March 2020 07: 38
      0
      But is it good to have such trunks of local production, instead of imported ones?
  2. Uncle Murzik
    Uncle Murzik 5 May 2016 06: 19
    0
    rifles class, but valuable is also not small!
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 5 May 2016 10: 27
      0
      This is not so bad. How will you get exotic cartridges? Equip at home?
      1. ty60
        ty60 5 May 2016 19: 29
        0
        As usual, on the knee. Only full-volume production, including a cartridge. Perhaps initially a cartridge and the production of weapons. See Kalashnikov’s example, a weapon under the cartridge
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 21 March 2020 07: 39
          0
          First you need to produce such cartridges under license, IMHO
      2. The comment was deleted.
    2. Ostwest
      Ostwest 5 May 2016 20: 49
      0
      This is how much game you need to shoot to recoup the cost of a rifle.
  3. Igor39
    Igor39 5 May 2016 06: 24
    +2
    The main idea of ​​Lobaev: Give me $ 30000000 million and I will throw you with my rifles and robots ...
    And then another 50000000 and so on ...
    1. vkfriendly
      vkfriendly 5 May 2016 09: 30
      23
      he’s better than 30 lyam, than the redhead tens of billions on newcomers.
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 5 May 2016 10: 40
        0
        Better in aviation.
  4. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz 5 May 2016 06: 34
    +2
    To Syria for testing! wassat
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 5 May 2016 10: 28
      +1
      A salvo of "caliber" will be cheaper ...
  5. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 5 May 2016 06: 48
    26
    I agree with the previous speakers, but .... guys, finally we made a decent vintar for once, here it is necessary to rejoice, this time. Regarding the money: For free, even daddy-mommy doesn't kiss. I think everyone understands this, these are two. And what about our special forces? These are three. And finally, what is better to give money to our pantners for rifles? As for me, they are in two hands, and for two cheeks, and not our denyuzhku .... Well type sanctions. Let them starve, the "sanctioners" are flawed ... I think so. Here !!!!!!!!
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 5 May 2016 07: 02
      +1
      But what about the Orsis 5000 Rogozin?
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 5 May 2016 10: 33
        0
        I didn’t go. Import for the same money is better. Competitions confirmed. Alas.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 5 May 2016 11: 01
        +1
        Quote: Igor39
        But what about the Orsis 5000 Rogozin?

        As far as I know, Orsis is being finalized and modernized at the moment, not without the participation of Stephen Seagal, who is a world-class shooter ...
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 5 May 2016 10: 31
      -1
      Who is against it? Only the brain tells, it is better to build another 1 fighter for this money.
    3. The comment was deleted.
  6. Doomph
    Doomph 5 May 2016 07: 25
    +1
    And in the last photo, the soldier did not close the shutter at the vintar. How was he going to shoot? Or is it a kind of "fuse" to do it before the shot?
    1. Locksmith
      Locksmith 5 May 2016 08: 55
      +2
      Quote: Doomph
      And in the last photo, the soldier did not close the shutter at the vintar. How was he going to shoot? Or is it a kind of "fuse" to do it before the shot?

      Window dressing to reporters is kind of like a parade, and they control wink , and even for a short while he will sit with such an aim and without emphasis, he will tire quickly.
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 5 May 2016 10: 39
        0
        damn, what do you want from a reporter?
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 5 May 2016 10: 37
      +1
      These are staged photos. Few people notice such nuances.
  7. guzik007
    guzik007 5 May 2016 08: 08
    32
    The key phrase in the article is:
    "We then made a decision - than to fight and lay our heads here, it is better to reduce the degree of tension," he says. In 2010, almost the entire team of the company, which consisted of 15 people, moved to the United Arab Emirates. "

    This is by the way how relatives of the fathers care about the development of domestic business. And I don’t understand the critics. The man took up production at his own risk. It’s not vodka, not speculation, but a concrete business. And how many such enthusiasts have we already rotted at the root? Oh, Russia!
    1. Portolan
      Portolan 5 May 2016 09: 24
      +9
      Quote: guzik007
      This is by the way how relatives of the fathers care about the development of domestic business. And I don’t understand the critics. The man took up production at his own risk. It’s not vodka, not speculation, but a concrete business. And how many such enthusiasts have we already rotted at the root? Oh, Russia!


      but we have Chubais-nanotechnology, skolkovo and other sawing-kompashki, and if you want to get a loan for the development of business, then you are welcome from VTB - from 15%, from Sberbank - from 19%. Therefore, Lobaev was able to achieve something because he did not contact Russian banks. In all the speeches of our top leaders, there is always the same bazaar - "... small business lending", but in fact, as banks of enterprising people were robbed, continue to strangle. It is the policy of the state to lie, nag and strangle freedom.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 5 May 2016 10: 24
      +3
      Quote: guzik007
      This is by the way how relatives of the fathers care about the development of domestic business. And I don’t understand the critics. The man took up production at his own risk. It’s not vodka, not speculation, but a concrete business. And how many such enthusiasts have we already rotted at the root? Oh, Russia!

      Not everything is so simple. ©
      Read the reviews on the Hanse about Lobaev's products. As long as the piece rifles were moving, everything was fine. As soon as the small series began, the jambs began to appear (almost file marks on the details). Plus communication with customers through the lip - "we are fine, all the problems on your part".
      Generally, the poet’s soul could not stand communication with customers - and Lobaev left Russia. But, apparently, and over the hill Something went wrong.
  8. sa-ag
    sa-ag 5 May 2016 08: 13
    +1
    wondering when the "flying sniper" will appear?
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 May 2016 08: 16
    +5
    It is important that the "school" of development and manufacture of rifles with such parameters (0.2-0.3 MOA!) Is not lost. It's fantastic. Who needs Formula 1 supercars? It seems to nobody. And the race is alive and well. Gradually, technical solutions run in supercars "creep" into ordinary cars. So it is with ultra-precise rifles.
    1. Lapkonium
      Lapkonium 5 May 2016 09: 07
      +1
      "Not lost"? Was she with us before Lobaev at all? Something I do not remember domestic rifles with less than MOA accuracy.
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 5 May 2016 10: 45
        0
        Less MOA is full, but at 0.5 MOA and more heaping is not enough. SVD-63 is the same. Not ordinary, but selected - there are many of them. If you turn off the automation, a good trunk gives a minute.
    2. Unclevanj
      Unclevanj 5 May 2016 23: 52
      +2
      who is not lost? Bolt group - import, barrel - import, stock - import assembly and fine-tuning local, where is the "school" ??
  10. Kenneth
    Kenneth 5 May 2016 08: 19
    +1
    Any arms production must be kept in the country by all means.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 5 May 2016 10: 51
      +2
      I do not agree. So you can throw money into useless weapons.
      1. Kenneth
        Kenneth 5 May 2016 15: 35
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        As far as I understand, comrade is quite self-supporting. And by the way, he paid taxes. So it’s better to have this technology than not to have it.
  11. kvs207
    kvs207 5 May 2016 09: 01
    +2
    I, far from this type of shooting and shooting in general, last shot in the army, but I think that it is necessary to develop and help. D. Puchkov, has an interview with br. Lobaevs. Recommend.
  12. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 5 May 2016 09: 30
    -2
    Neither the army nor special forces need these rifles.
    Armies are not needed because the industry does not produce quality cartridges in .308Win and .338LM calibers, not to mention its rifles in more exotic calibres.
    Special units are not needed, because they already have everything for a long time, and there are not so many snipers in these units.
    For the civilian market, these rifles are expensive. Better Tikku T3 to take, and the money for the sight still remains. And the Lobaev rifles shoot no better.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 5 May 2016 10: 53
      +2
      And there is. They will make a rifle cheaper than the same tikki or sakki - we'll take a look. What can I say, my SHR gives 0.75 MOA, in my clumsy hands. With selected cartridges, of course.
  13. Novor_Donetsk
    Novor_Donetsk 5 May 2016 09: 40
    +2
    I like the idea with robots. In theory, the robot has "no shaking hands", maybe more precisely a human. and it's safer to use as a counter sniper.
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  15. godofwar6699
    godofwar6699 5 May 2016 10: 24
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    [quote = Novor_Donetsk] like the idea with robots. In theory, the robot "does not shake hands

    TrackingPoint
  16. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 5 May 2016 10: 28
    +3
    Lobaev makes high-quality goods from imported components - starting from barrel stocks, bolt groups, sights and ending with a small machine park and cutting tools.
    Do it yourself - drilling and cutting the trunk from an imported blank, bed.
    In general, like 10 years ago - this is IP Lobaev with a piece of expensive product ...

    "Orsis" is already a domestic mass production, although much without imported components ...
    1. D24081973
      D24081973 5 May 2016 13: 07
      -2
      the Americans - the Europeans, will stop supplying you with zip machines, tooling, components and your "domestic" production will bend right away because there is nothing domestic there.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 6 May 2016 19: 25
        +1
        D24

        The machines are quite ordinary. It’s not a problem to make equipment either.

        In the USA, making small arms is a hobby for many. Right in the garage and do.

        Although of course the quality is separate.
    2. D24081973
      D24081973 5 May 2016 13: 07
      -3
      the Americans - the Europeans, will stop supplying you with zip machines, tooling, components and your "domestic" production will bend right away because there is nothing domestic there.
  17. uskrabut
    uskrabut 5 May 2016 10: 35
    +3
    Given the caliber of these trunks, they are clearly made for sale over a hill or to our owners of factories, houses, steamboats (Mr.-twisters). for the army for such a loot to buy a barrel is very wasteful.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 5 May 2016 11: 04
      +1
      For the army there is always consumer goods. What we have, what is in America. This does not mean that consumer goods have poor quality - gross production: whoever knows will be able to take, but the rest does not need.
    2. vladimirw
      vladimirw 5 May 2016 13: 01
      +1
      for the army, yes, and the special forces since
  18. drilled
    drilled 5 May 2016 12: 11
    +2
    Rifles, no doubt good. Probably did not hold in his hands. Only here is the price for them ... Ahem ... Do you know how much the Loba ballistic calculator costs? 50 thousand. It was worth it. Now I do not know. That is, put such a barrel on the shelf and blow off the dust. However, Orsis also did not go far. They would have to take the market, while the Americans introduced a moratorium on the supply of their Remington!
  19. Samoyed
    Samoyed 5 May 2016 12: 52
    +1
    Well done, they make a quality product. Are developing. And without an administrative resource, on the contrary. And why did you decide that the hill is good. After all, they left the whole company and arrived, we can say - the family.
  20. D24081973
    D24081973 5 May 2016 12: 54
    -3
    imported technologies on imported equipment, there’s nothing to talk about
    1. SSeT
      SSeT 6 May 2016 00: 22
      +1
      Make your own, and then stink
  21. vladimirw
    vladimirw 5 May 2016 13: 00
    +1
    . Russian private arms companies and companies with state participation cannot find a common language. Lobaev notes that in the Russian Federation, everyone is forced to do everything himself, although coordination in the arms industry is necessary and would only benefit her
    that’s why if they’re doing business, then support from the state is null, hell of a tenth. And if the bank, then please!
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 6 May 2016 19: 32
      +2
      Vladimir

      It is always strange to hear that the state should provide assistance.

      According to the logic of things, it is enough that the state creates and guarantees unchanging conditions.

      How do you imagine the help of state property?

      I see them only in the form when the taxes were squeezed out in the days and instead of using them for state needs, for some reason, did they give these taxes to others? Develop a private business?

      Is there a gap in logic?
  22. delvin-fil
    delvin-fil 5 May 2016 13: 06
    +1
    No, I certainly understand that it is incorrect to compare this rifle and the M107 (TTX and self-loading), but ... The scope is similar.
    The standardized cartridge does its job - once.
    The price is two.
    This "toy" has 1,250,000 rubles, for Barrett less than 800 thousand.
    I thought ... request
    1. SSeT
      SSeT 6 May 2016 00: 25
      +2
      You, excuse me, are a stupid person. Super-accurate benchrest and gross Barrett under ANOTHER EVEN caliber to compare ... Well, yes, the elephant's ass is longer than that of the whale and Cho ?? catch?
      And yes! think before you smack nonsense
  23. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 5 May 2016 13: 07
    +2
    The mere fact that we have such guys capable of making high-quality weapons at the highest world level is a huge plus! Do we need such a weapon in our army, guard or other services? Who would mind if it was there? It would not hurt to have ammunition production, under such exotic calibers for Russia. And the idea with robots is a good direction, and they will not be superfluous in the army. And, unfortunately, money is now more profitable for us to invest in any nano. There was money, and you look at it already nano. Nano it is, you just can't see it with the naked eye. I give the guys advice, come up with "nano-spraying" on the trunks, and refer to the well-known structure, whose main activity is ("investing in private projects to create new nanotechnological industries"). Although the guys are cunning, maybe they already did it! If not, then try it!
  24. wei
    wei 5 May 2016 13: 57
    +5
    Here is an interesting video in the subject hi
  25. Verdun
    Verdun 5 May 2016 14: 04
    +1
    Quote: ovod84
    These rifles are needed only by special forces

    There is nothing wrong with the special forces being armed with high-quality Russian-made sniper rifles. And let the Lobaevs be fine. But such a weapon is akin to a Rolls-Royce or Bugatti. It is expensive and available only to a limited number of people. Now, if only someone else managed to establish in today's Russia "from scratch" mass production of widely demanded products ... Otherwise, you will not look at our hunting rifles lately without tears ...
    1. Bormanxnumx
      Bormanxnumx 5 May 2016 19: 05
      +2
      Such rifles, in commercial quantities, can only be in demand by "private" shooters, and not by special services. One of the examples of such "SUPER Screws" is the Walther WA 2000 rifle, which at a cost of about $ 80 in the 12500s was not in demand despite its outstanding qualities.
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 5 May 2016 20: 00
        +1
        Such rifles, in commodity quantities, can only be claimed by "private" shooters, and not by special services
        If a country needs a weapon that is produced on the territory of the state and there are no funds for its purchase, you can always go the other way. We give you tax benefits, and you give us cheaper products. And if Walther WA 2000 was unclaimed, then it simply was not an urgent need. No one is going to purchase Lobaev rifles in large quantities for the needs of the army. But creating difficulties for a successful manufacturer is not very smart.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 6 May 2016 19: 38
          0
          Verdun

          Income tax 30%. Profit 20% of the investment. How can a tax rebate significantly affect the cost of a weapon?

          Will you get 5% off? Much cheaper?
  26. Vovanya
    Vovanya 5 May 2016 14: 59
    -6
    The sniper rifle is a relic. In order to increase the likelihood of defeat even at ultra-long distances and reduce the price of weapons, since such a "gun" can be smooth-bore, a guided bullet was invented. Even a layman can get to the right place. Plus to this - you can even shoot up from the trench, and then direct the bullet at the target, and at the same time it is impossible to detect the "sniper" in the direction of the sound from the shot. By the way, the price of a guided bullet will not be "prohibitive".
  27. yahont
    yahont 5 May 2016 15: 35
    +1
    In 2010, in an interview with Forbes magazine, Lobaev said that in 2009, Tsar-Pushku sold 80 rifles, earning approximately 20 million rubles in revenue, and in 2010, the company planned to produce already 200 rifles. However, in the same year, the Ministry of Industry and Trade refused to extend the license to Tsar-Pushku, issued in 2005 for a period of 5 years. Because of this, the company could not only produce weapons, but also sell finished products in Russia. Without naming specific companies, Lobayev said that the events of 2010 of the year were a manifestation of “unfair competition”. "We then made a decision - than to fight and lay our head here, it is better to reduce the degree of tension," he says. In 2010, almost all of the then team of the company, consisting of 15 people, moved to the United Arab Emirates (UAE). In this country, under a contract with the Arab holding Tawazun, a new company was launched - Tawazun Advanced Defense Systems (TADS), where the team from Russia continued to do their direct business - the development and production of high-precision shooting systems.
    Even if the enterprise’s products were exported only, the state would still benefit, it’s both tax revenues and the country's prestige, oddly enough, etc. , because not one of our weapons enterprises produces such products, and so the guys left for the emirates, thanks to the Ministry of Industry and Trade.
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 5 May 2016 15: 55
      +2
      Thanks to the Ministry of Industry and Trade.
      And this is a characteristic attitude towards small and medium-sized businesses within our country. However, only the lazy does not talk about how necessary it is to support it.
  28. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 5 May 2016 16: 38
    0
    Which once again confirms that if something is developing in Russia (except for oil and gas), then this is happening not thanks to the "help" of the state, but in spite of ... (
    It’s in vain that such rifles are needed only for special forces. We have many hundreds and thousands of amateur shooters who with great pleasure would become the owners of such rifles, but far from a kosher price because of the piecework (and legislation to it) deprive of this pleasure. Who does not shoot, he will not understand.
    A friend of my friend on the shoots (once again celebrated the "Day of the Kurka"))), having shot another magazine from her Saiga, inhaled the smoke from the barrel and soooo languidly issued:
    -This is better than s-cs. )))
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 6 May 2016 12: 34
      0
      Legislation is a separate song. They let me buy the SHR-970, with the barrel hanging, with dales. But it is forbidden to buy SVD, which loses in all respects. Arguing that civilians cannot buy military weapons. To my question that the same SHR-970 is in service with the Swiss Armed Forces and the Bundeswehr - they shrug ...
  29. Bormanxnumx
    Bormanxnumx 5 May 2016 18: 49
    +1
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Igor39
    But what about the Orsis 5000 Rogozin?

    As far as I know, Orsis is being finalized and modernized at the moment, not without the participation of Stephen Seagal, who is a world-class shooter ...

    Sigal has never been and never will be a world-class shooter :) Just given the kind of mouin he has been filming since the year 2000, he needs to shine more in public. There, Stallone writes pictures ...
  30. APASUS
    APASUS 5 May 2016 19: 56
    +1
    You can break spears for a long time about the quality of these rifles, but the guys are really busy manufacturing and selling their knowledge. Yes, in the place of one RossNANO that hell knows what is busy, you can open hundreds of enterprises and not only weapons.
    And of course, it's time to switch to competitive procurement of weapons for our Defense Ministry. If a private trader can do better, then why not equip ours with such a rifle.
    Required MO robots, rifles, uniforms are enough to post on the website the requirements and implementation dates ...............
  31. Denimax
    Denimax 5 May 2016 20: 16
    0
    It would be interesting if they (including Orsis) would give out their project of assault weapons.
  32. mayhem
    mayhem 5 May 2016 20: 24
    +1
    well done, the competition will never hurt a healthy one, more screws, more cartridges for the country, it would be cool if there were still shooting galleries with such rifles in large quantities, then it would be gorgeous to launch this call again "Voroshilov shooter")))
  33. robbihood
    robbihood 5 May 2016 21: 26
    0
    I wonder how it is, is this a domestic product? Or how is a Lego toy assembled from imported equipment? The most, in my opinion, the main thing in the rifle is the finished barrel. Where, and who makes it and on what? Well, all the gadgets.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 6 May 2016 12: 41
      0
      Do not forget about the sight. Good optics sometimes costs like a barrel. And you can realize all the qualities only with cool optics.
  34. 31rus2
    31rus2 5 May 2016 22: 25
    +2
    Dear, I read the article and the comments and was surprised, the money is certainly good, but there are also moral criteria, so I will state my vision, the company needs to popularize sport and this direction, shooting and long and over long distances, create a sniper school, this is where you need to help guys, then there will be money and the prestige of the country, well, the best advertising for both firms and weapons, and then the security forces will be interested, you cannot measure everything by the needs, a very good example about "formula-1"
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 5 May 2016 23: 06
      0
      Well, how many people use this very "Formula-1"?
    2. Unclevanj
      Unclevanj 6 May 2016 00: 15
      0
      Now, if they created high-precision rifles from scratch and at the same time would produce components at least 50% in Russia, then we could talk about support, and all but assembly will import, well, the United States will impose sanctions on components and the company will be covered.
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 6 May 2016 12: 44
        -1
        And so it is. I would not be surprised that the components are transported through the "Chinese" Ali-Express.
    3. Andrey77
      Andrey77 6 May 2016 12: 47
      0
      By and large, it is necessary to redeem the Izhevsk or Tula plant to the state and purchase high-precision barrel production. Pensioners in the Quality Control Department will have to disperse ... If we want to have our own normal rifle.
  35. Artura0777
    Artura0777 10 May 2016 16: 19
    0
    Super rifles but a little expensive !!!!!!!
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 14 May 2016 11: 56
      0
      It's not just a little expensive, it's up to x .. a little expensive.
  36. 3danimal
    3danimal 21 March 2020 07: 41
    0
    in 2009, Tsar-Cannon sold 80 rifles, earning about 20 million rubles in revenue, and in 2010 the company planned to produce up to 200 rifles. However, in the same year, the Ministry of Industry and Trade refused to renew the Tsar Cannon license, issued in 2005 for a period of 5 years. Because of this, the company could not only produce weapons, but also sell finished products in Russia. Without naming specific companies, Lobaev notes that the events of 2010 were a manifestation of "unfair competition." “We then made the decision - what to fight and lay our heads here, it is better to reduce the degree of tension,” he says. In 2010, almost the entire team of the company, which consisted of 15 people, moved to the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

    Why aren't you surprised reading this? ..
    Until a normal climate for doing business has been created, such companies and brains will continue to leave.