In the DPR, the form of command and control of the armed forces is changed

The Ministry of Defense of the DPR has changed the form of command and control of troops, moving from the corps system to operational command, reports RIA News the message of the head of the military department of the unrecognized republic Vladimir Kononov.

“After analyzing all of our combat operations and the conduct of operations, such as the Ilovaisk boiler, we came to the conclusion that operational command is the most effective way to control an army. It is necessary to move a little away from the corps system, and it was decided to create an operational command called "Donetsk" ”,

said Kononov.

He added that "this step simplifies the management of all security agencies."

Comments

[Andrey K]

In fact, it turns out that on the principle of districts.
It may be true, but it would not work again, as in 2014 - fragmented units, with a weak center

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Andrey K

In fact, it turns out that on the principle of districts.
It may be true, but it would not work again, as in 2014 - fragmented units, with a weak center

He just says the opposite. Operational control is the control of troops from a single center in Donetsk. That will allow the Minister of Defense to redistribute the armed forces in the theaters of operations according to objective necessity. He just did not say which operational unit in the armed forces would be the largest and its structure.

[g1v2]

Rather, operational command is a command with a center in Rostov. It seems that they decided to combine the hands of the corps and manage them without dividing them into the DPR and LPR.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Алексей_К

He just says the opposite. Operational control is the control of troops from a single center in Donetsk.

Until now, what was ruled from Mars?
This is the trick.

He added that “this step simplifies management all law enforcement agencies».

[Alexander 3]

The situation and experience suggest a more optimal form of management. Experience is a matter of gain.

[iConst]

Quote: Alexander 3

The situation and experience suggest a more optimal form of management. Experience is a matter of gain.

Many historians (including Western ones) agree that the USSR during the Second World War managed to create a more effective control model of the Red Army led by the Headquarters.

The Wehrmacht was also "optimized" by the corporal, who sent generals and field marshals in three letters and who did not pass the academies, but knew exactly what to do.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: iConst

The Wehrmacht was also "optimized" by the corporal, who sent generals and field marshals in three letters and who did not pass the academies, but knew exactly what to do.

You are wrong about Hitler and his rate. Hitler, having the opinions of his generals, made his decision, but taking into account what the generals reported to him. After receiving the new Hitler directive, the generals developed a new combat plan, reported their readiness to Hitler, and only after that the combat plan was implemented. He did not send anyone in three letters. He simply made the generals carry out his plan of action. And Hitler was not a fool, he perfectly understood that without armies, military equipment, aircraft and soldiers, united by a plan to achieve the goal, it is impossible to fight. Just slogans and calls for victory will not lead.
Again, about "corporalism". Stalin, who defeated the corporal, did not even graduate from seminary. And this did not prevent him from leading a larger state than Germany.
I think that Hitler and Stalin had the organizer’s talent and had a great desire to be at the head. The political struggle for power is akin to any academy. A person gains vast experience in managing the masses and if his actions are correct, then the success of management is ensured.
There are no academies or universities in the world where they train for presidents, secretaries general or prime ministers. Only in tsarist times such training was a family affair. The young heir was prepared for control on the throne.

[iConst]

- Greetings!

We invaded the field of subjective assessments of who knew what and where was more successful.

The message "in three letters" - first, it was figurative, and secondly, not one-time. There are approximately three stages in which Hitler usurped the command.

You yourself refute your refutation. You write: ... He did not send anyone in three letters. He simply made the generals carry out his plan of action. ... - what's this?

Stalin made the final serious decision after numerous consultations with A.M. Vasilevsky - Chief of the General Staff. The fact that Stalin turned to Vasilevsky by his first name speaks volumes.

So that we see a diametrical approach to command and control.

Well, the structure of the armed forces of Germany was divided into ground forces, kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe, in contrast to the fact that in the Red Army fronts were given operational command of the air regiments, as well as naval units (to a lesser extent).

Frequent strife between the commanders of the armed forces (mainly between Goering and various land commanders) in the Supreme Headquarters of the Wehrmacht did not add tactical potential to operations.

Regarding "corporalism" and who ended what - the answer is above - Hitler insisted on his vision of the situation and the further - the more, and Stalin chose the best path, although there were also many mistakes in the beginning.

I must say that the Headquarters didn’t work perfectly right away either - the same Vasilevsky succeeded Shaposhnikov in 42.

[Cananecat]

As I understand it, the responsible persons completed a short training course in the command and control system of military units. Or what is it right now called ...?

[black]

Understood nothing. The details are interesting.

[Mountain shooter]

Operational management is understandable. The abolition of division into cases is not clear. And what, to the brigades? To the battalions? With the ratio of forces and means that between the Armed Forces and the BCH, only iron discipline and excellent controllability can lead the BCH to victory.

[black]

I would be very grateful if you would explain the essence of the operational command. I know that VSN has recently been moving from a brigade structure to a regimental one.

[avt]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

. The abolition of division into cases is not clear.

Why is it not clear? Let's start by simply counting, well rounding up the "militia" of the entire LDNR and get two full-strength divisions in number. "Pyatnashka". Well, at the initial stage, they caught up with the horror so that they saw the divisions of the Altai tank militia and numerous hordes of Pskov airborne divisions The second stage, as it were, was organized into units of batiks to the brigades more or less controlled by the central command. Now we are talking about the idea of ​​a completely regular army, but in fact the corps in which the optimization of the command and control system of units is from top to bottom.

Quote: black

I know that VSN has recently been moving from a brigade structure to a regimental one.

Perhaps that’s right. Regimental, with attached means of amplification in the form of art and MBT, is perhaps the best option. A specialized brigade should be left alone - SHISBR. Having entrenched and arranged fortified points to take to the cities and carefully enter, their own tea.

[black]

You are not quite in the know. At the beginning of the 15th year, there were 8 brigades in the VSN, divided into two corps. At first there was a four-battalion brigade structure. 2-MSB, 1-TB, 1-HELL. Then they added another SME. The staffing level was different. From 50 to 80% of the staff. At the beginning of the year, there was information about the beginning of the formation of the third corps, plus separate battalions. There is unverified information about the tank brigade. A battalion of marines in the process of formation. The "largest" number of the military unit that we managed to find is 11. Either an SME, or a regiment of the DPR National Guard. Although horseradish, radishes are not sweeter. I believe that the transition to operational command is connected with the plans for the offensive of the armed forces.

[Cananecat]

Now on the KP website, in a report from the DPR, the fighters themselves in an interview mention their unit as SMEs, i.e. motorized rifle regiment.

[Lord of the Sith]

Quote: Canecat

Now on the KP website, in a report from the DPR, the fighters themselves in an interview mention their unit as SMEs, i.e. motorized rifle regiment.

This is the 11th separate motorized rifle regiment, the former Vostok battalion.

[Lord of the Sith]

Quote: black

You are not quite in the know. At the beginning of the 15th year, there were 8 brigades in the VSN, divided into two corps. At first there was a four-battalion brigade structure. 2-MSB, 1-TB, 1-HELL. Then they added another SME. The staffing level was different. From 50 to 80% of the staff. At the beginning of the year, there was information about the beginning of the formation of the third corps, plus separate battalions. There is unverified information about the tank brigade. A battalion of marines in the process of formation. The "largest" number of the military unit that we managed to find is 11. Either an SME, or a regiment of the DPR National Guard. Although horseradish, radishes are not sweeter. I believe that the transition to operational command is connected with the plans for the offensive of the armed forces.

Now there are more brigades:
ДНР - 1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15, 50 (guards), 100 (guards), command regiment Donetsk, 1 OMBG "Somalia", there was a separate art brigade "Kalmius", but it was transferred to the guard.
LNR - 2,4,6,8,10,12,14, command regiment Lugansk, OTB (tank).
There is also a special forces battalion, the DPR GRU, and separate parts of electronic warfare and air defense.

[black]

Seven at the beginning of 15 was transferred to the LPR.

[g1v2]

I know 100 - former republican guards, but what kind of 50 brigade?

[German Titov]

There is no National Guard in the DPR. There is the Republican Guard. It included "Oplot", some of the Cossacks, etc.

[ydjin]

I hope it’s better to know where it’s best, if only it would be good.

[Volksib]

As you call a yacht, it will sail.

[BOB044]

In the DPR, the form of command and control of the armed forces is changed

I hope that the Defense Ministry advised the leadership of the DPR.

[34 region]

BOB044! 09.53. Why advise? There is a military training. The Americans use their methods of war on their own, we on our own. We study their experience, they are ours. So let's see whose rebellion!

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: BOB044

In the DPR, the form of command and control of the armed forces is changed

I hope that the Defense Ministry advised the leadership of the DPR.

If the leadership of the DPR had not listened to the leadership of Russia at all, then half of Ukraine would have long been not Ukraine, but Novorossia. Russia still has not recognized the DPR and LPR and considers these territories the territory of Ukraine.
Even when the "separation" of the republics from Ukraine and Ukraine did not start military operations, Putin could recognize these republics, then, at the request of the population, as in the Crimea, join Russia and then send troops. He did nothing and thereby allowed Ukraine to unleash a bloody war against the unarmed people of the republics.
Is this not a betrayal? And you still call them for consultations with Russia. What advice can you get from traitors?

[black]

If the leadership of the republics did not listen to Moscow, then there would be no leadership or republics. They would not have received more than one cartridge, not one shell, and not one tank. So do not throw words about betrayal. And there was no consultation. There was a clear team. Do not you think, seriously, that the former taxi drivers and miners, in two years, mastered the basics of operational command and control?

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: black

Do not you think, seriously, that the former taxi drivers and miners, in two years, mastered the basics of operational command and control?

Once upon a time, a very long time ago, China decided to make war with the USSR in Damansky. Of course, the USSR fought a little. So after the events an article was published in the all-Union magazine "Smena" on the front cover a photograph of the sergeant was printed. And in the magazine there is an article about how a career officer could not control the troops, and this sergeant took all the initiative in battle and the Chinese were resolutely rebuffed. Here's a 4-5-year personnel training in a combined-arms school.
A more complex example is when fascist Germany attacked the USSR. Only in February 1943 did the Red Army defeat a large strategic German fascist group. And only after the battle of Kursk (August 1943) did the victorious liberation of the USSR from fascist occupation begin.
This says only one thing. People gradually learn to fight and win, even generals and marshals. Otherwise, what did they let the fascists into almost Moscow itself, trained in academies and higher military schools?

[black]

In February of the 15 year, during the battles for Nikishino, Redkodub and the Mius block post, the 2 battalion of the 7 DNR brigade lost almost 90% of the personnel participating in the battles. He was commanded by the glorious Kherson investigator, a fiery revolutionary. And I, a graduate of the military school, lost 3-300's for the entire platoon. Of these, two were light. So leave your fiery demagogy for lectures on the history of the CPSU (b). And I am aware of who is commanding whom and by whom.

[Aleksey_K]

In order to assess your performance in this way, you should write against what forces the "glorious Kherson investigator, a fiery revolutionary" fought and what losses his battalion inflicted on the enemy. And also you should write down what forces you fought against and what damage you inflicted on the enemy. And then only three wounded from the platoon. By the way, what is the size of the platoon?

Motorized rifle platoon:
platoon commander (KB);
deputy platoon commander (ZKV);
sniper (CH);
gunner (N);
Calculation Number (HP)
marksman shooter (SSan).
squad leader - BM commander (KO-KBM) - 3 people;
gunner-operator (BUT) - 3 people;
driver-mechanic (MB) -3 people;
senior shooter (SS) - 3 people;
machine gunner (P) - 3 people;
sniper (CH) - 3 people;
shooter-grenade thrower (SG) - 3 people;
shooter assistant grenade launcher (LNG) - 3 people
Total in the platoon: Personnel - 30 people;
BMP - 3 units.

Really such a platoon?

[black]

Can you hear yourself? Where did you find this state? What year and what century? I commanded a reconnaissance platoon of the same battalion. I have people on two reconnaissance trips a day. True, you are unlikely to understand what this means. A week, on the forehead, according to one scheme, in the attack. every day 200s and 300s. Tankers sober did not sit at the levers. And when they got around from the rear, they sat in the village for a week. They were afraid to give a command. 100-50 meters to the enemy. A piece of iron to jump over. Six hours of shelling. My guys changed three houses. They took the station, held it for a day, then gave the command to retreat, then gave the command to leave the southern part of the village. And the dill broke through. My men were drinking and crying that there were not enough pomegranates, flies, bumblebees. And the commander of the 6th company was sitting in their hut, trembling. And in Nikishino. They threw the boys who were not fired into the attack, the equipment left. The commander of the 4th company in the basement of the club sat out. Half died. Three courtyards at the crossroads, two self-propelled guns were equal until the ammunition load was over. We were 30 meters away, we could not cross, everything was shot through. There in the yard, the ground was saturated with blood for a meter. The killed and wounded were lying on the ground. Because there was only enough room in the cellar for the living. But we took them all out, and then we moved away. I brought mine out without loss. The last one was dug from under the rubble of the house when Nikishino was taken. I tsiferki forces and losses, I graduated from the school to count. With me the remnants of the 4th company, they laid them under the Miussky cross. I collected them in the field with my soldiers. We loaded everyone in the URAL. In two layers, all eighteen. On the other hand, 14 more lay down. From the imperial legion. 1 company of 1 battalion. All Russians. They were also abandoned without support. Everything was planned correctly. Only the battalion commander did not wait for the mortars to work out and the tanks to enter the original ones. He sent the guys. and at that time we were 300 meters away from them. and that tank was burned, right under the nose of the dill. And they left without loss. Across the field In the first battalion, all the scouts were killed. Afrikanych, blessed memory. If not for him. Once they showed me the map and that's it. Without a map, in unfamiliar terrain, past two enemy positions. He brought out the column. Apparently that day, we had little happiness. Immediately and shoved it into a meat grinder. In the reconnaissance brigade, there was about a platoon. In the 5th company - 5 people. For all the time of the battles, the "battalion commander" had never seen the battlefield. I have never participated in management. Well, what shall we consider forces and means? Our enemy? Or is everything clear anyway?

[Aleksey_K]

I understand you, although your chaotic story about these battles suggests that you are not capable of short reports (although, of course, who am I to you). From the story, your platoon periodically "snapped" running from one position to another. You took one building of the station at the village, and during the shelling with howitzers your platoon was hiding in the basements, but here you were lucky too. On hit 152 mm. The HE shell of both the house in the village and the basement, nothing remains (of course, this does not apply to modern stone houses). You have been ordered to leave your positions. You successfully left them, and then even collected the bodies of the dead. Only it is not about the card and not about luck, but the fact that the Ukrainians at that time were also busy with their losses and poured their fear with vodka. In addition, I will tell you that the commander during the battle must memorize the enemy's positions even without a map, and where these positions are not, you should have understood. Further, if you saw how the battalion commander and the commanders of the 4th and 6th companies controlled the battles, then you had to shoot them and take command. Or is there now no execution of traitors on the battlefield for cowardice? I would not hesitate to shoot them, not only during the battle, but also after, so that no more mediocrity would command.

[avt]

Quote: Алексей_К

Once upon a time, a very long time ago, China decided to make war with the USSR in Damansky. Of course, the USSR fought a little. So after the events an article was published in the all-Union magazine "Smena" on the front cover a photograph of the sergeant was printed. And in the magazine there is an article about how a career officer could not control the troops, and this sergeant took all the initiative in battle and the Chinese were resolutely rebuffed. Here's a 4-5-year personnel training in a combined-arms school.

“When I read this, I scratch myself in the most indecent places! You can break it by reading it! "- Monologue of Gena Janissary from, 72 meters" What are you !? Seriously about

Quote: Алексей_К

this sergeant took all the initiative in the battle and the Chinese were resolutely rebuffed.

a sergeant to the Chinese in Daman !! ?? In general, besides the magazine "Smena", you were looking for something about those events, were you interested in something?

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: avt

In general, besides the magazine "Smena", you were looking for something about those events, were you interested in something?

In those years I studied as a tank platoon commander. Everything that happened on Damansky did not pass us by. And I brought a well-known fact for those who did not serve in the army at that time (for people like you). Am I supposed to rewrite orders of that time? In fact, in addition to the oath, I also signed a non-disclosure subscription twice. Therefore, scratch your own there, you can even break it if you have a prosthesis instead. Well, you should wash indecent places more often, and when itching it is necessary to contact venereologists. This is for your boorish writings.

[avt]

Quote: Алексей_К

In fact, in addition to the oath, I also signed a non-disclosure subscription twice.

It’s the most hiding in the subscription, especially when so much time has passed and even besides the fact that the subscription lies, almost everything and 50 percent for the subsequent ones have been posted about the border guards in the open press. So you can already know a little more than the deputy politician told and the opera was given a subscription ... .Oh! Of course not -

Quote: Алексей_К

signed a non-disclosure subscription.

This is for a preaching of a nonpolitical character. Nothing personal, I just can’t stand the spirit of the nonsense that is being pulled in with the clever look of an expert.

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: black

Even when the "separation" of the republics from Ukraine and Ukraine did not start hostilities

Fathers, did Ukraine have its own republics? ...
Nothing messed up?

[black]

This is not my quote.

[evge-malyshev]

The main thing is to be useful.

[gg.na]

Well, let them call it that. If there is any use in this ... time will tell in short.

[Lily]

Clown! He put on a uniform, a bunch of some little talkers, ate his face. But he did not become smarter from this.

[black]

Do you have a personal complaint to the Minister of Defense of the DPR?

[avg-mgn]

Quote: black

. Do not you think, seriously, that the former taxi drivers and miners, in two years, mastered the basics of operational command and control?

Really DNR in your understanding it is only taxi drivers and miners, after all there were security officers there and remained. They made up the backbone of military managers, in addition, the miners, having gone through the trenches and gatherings, were not sewn. Otherwise, how to regard the organization of boilers and the systematic destruction of Ukrainian thugs, and behind them the AFU general stood.

[black]

Where? Former police officers? A former naval officer commanded brigade artillery. Yes, over the past year, classes were held with them. So, trained the tactical link. Do you know what the Ukrainian army was like? The teachers at the Kharkov Tank School did not know the T-72 device. And about t-80, I don’t speak at all. The soldiers who swept away the weapons. Gun commanders who have never fired. And you, the organization of boilers, regard, from the point of view of conspiracy theories. Closer to the truth will be.

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: avg-mgn

there, after all, the siloviki were and have remained. They formed the backbone of military managers

Notice honest security officials!

[Ros 56]

The main thing is to be a good judge, but as professionals know better. You have to be ready for D-Day, otherwise why all this?