Military Review

Media: rewriting history, Ukraine struggles with its own identity

81
After Petro Poroshenko in the spring of last year entrusted the management of state archives to the Institute of National Remembrance, headed by Vladimir Vyatrovich, Ukraine went directly to the “new frightening era of censorship”. Rewriting stories - This is an attempt to deprive the country of its own identity, and hiding the crimes of Ukrainian nationalists during World War II leads to a distortion of history on a global scale, writes the publication Foreign Policy.


Media: rewriting history, Ukraine struggles with its own identity


“Defending the nationalist and revisionist history, Vyatrovich recycles the modern history of Ukraine in order to whitewash the Ukrainian nationalist groups involved in the Holocaust and the mass ethnic cleansing of the Poles,” the article quotes. RIA News.

“Revisionism in Ukraine centers around two nationalist groups - the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (OUN and UPA). During the war, these groups killed tens of thousands of Jews and carried out a brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing, during which at least 100 thousands of Poles were killed, ”the author writes.

As the newspaper notes, “these actions were committed by the nationalists in exchange for the independence from the“ all-suppressing Soviet power ”allegedly promised by Hitler, but the independence of Ukraine was not included in the plans of the German leadership.

Vyatrovich presents the history of World War II, “focusing on the crimes allegedly committed by the Soviet authorities, and glorifying the fighters for the independence of Ukraine, and on the role of Ukrainian nationalists in the ethnic cleansing of Poles and Jews from 1941 to 1945. after the invasion of the Nazis into the territory of the former USSR is silent, "- writes Foreign Policy.

“Therefore, the Institute is only a cover to provide a one-sided and biased view of the modern history of Ukraine,” the author concludes.
Photos used:
naspravdi.info
81 comment
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. fzr1000
    fzr1000 4 May 2016 09: 03
    +14
    "The office writes". Our ICR and the Prosecutor General's Office also records everything that the Svidomo are doing. Let's see. There is ink and paper.
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 4 May 2016 09: 14
      +33
      these actions were carried out by the nationalists in exchange for the independence from the "overwhelming Soviet power", allegedly promised to them by Hitler, but the independence of Ukraine was not included in the plans of the German leadership. "

      History repeats itself, then it was not included in the plans of the German leadership, and now it is not included in the plans of the American leadership. All that mattresses are doing in Ukraine now, everything is directed against Russia, first of all. negative
      1. Foresterer
        Foresterer 4 May 2016 09: 26
        +1
        Already loves. No wonder the biological and bacteriological laboratories and centers were opened.
      2. Izotovp
        Izotovp 4 May 2016 12: 31
        +1
        You forgot what they did with the Irish close by blood !!!
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 4 May 2016 13: 00
          +1
          Religion used to be more important than blood. Therefore, there was such a feud between the Anglican Britons and the Catholic Irish. Now nothing is changing, just yesterday they are praying for profit and profit, we are resisting. Until.
        2. Weyland
          Weyland 6 May 2016 01: 54
          0
          Quote: Izotovp
          with their close blood Irish


          What is the proximity there? Irish - Celts, Anglo-Saxons - Germans! The Scots are related to the Irish (who were insolently genocidal too) and they were related to the Britons, who were completely genocidal insolently (analysis of the genotype of modern English showed a complete absence of the British component)
        3. The comment was deleted.
    2. The black
      The black 4 May 2016 09: 28
      +2
      Everything seems to be very clear with them. It has long been clear. What can we talk about with them in principle, except for hues of the taste of dog food? .A looking at some of the officials in Kiev, you are thinking about convening a conference on optimizing feed for pigs.
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 4 May 2016 10: 16
        +20
        Quote: Black
        Everything seems to be very clear with them. It has long been clear.
        1. Lens
          Lens 4 May 2016 11: 13
          +3
          Actually, there are thirteen hero cities
          1. reservist
            reservist 4 May 2016 12: 05
            +2
            Quote: Lens
            hero cities XNUMX
          2. AQUARIUS 65
            AQUARIUS 65 4 May 2016 12: 31
            +6
            Lens
            Actually, there are thirteen hero cities

            Actually, by and large, the surgeon is right. There are actually twelve hero cities, and the Thirteenth is the Brest Fortress - not a city, a hero fortress.
            By the way, the apostles and Christ were also thirteen - twelve known to all, and the thirteenth, ranked among the apostles - Paul, miraculously called by the Lord himself.
            1. ver_
              ver_ 5 May 2016 05: 37
              -2
              ... the apostles of Christ are just courtiers — the golden youth under the ruler.
              1. The comment was deleted.
              2. Weyland
                Weyland 6 May 2016 01: 59
                +1
                Quote: ver_
                only the courtiers are the golden youth under the ruler.


                Yes, of course! ... ICCH all but John, died a martyr's death (and John, by the will of God, simply failed to kill in any way, so they gave life). Brains would include, atheist undereducated! fool
    3. Kostyar
      Kostyar 4 May 2016 09: 33
      +3
      while on the role of Ukrainian nationalists in ethnic cleansing of Poles and Jews from 1941 to 1945. after the Nazi invasion of the territory of the former USSR is silent

      Everything according to Goebbels' precepts, a distortion of history and the further replacement of white by black ... !!!
      From the growing youth, Nazis hate everything Russian ... !!!
      Why not eliminate the top of these Natsik ??? All of these Poroshenko, Yaytsenyukhov and other geeks ...?! Eliminate all those who replace the destroyed comes, until those who wish do not end ..... ??? !!!
      1. sevsor
        sevsor 4 May 2016 10: 15
        +8
        "Nazis who hate everything Russian are raised from young people."
        They, unfortunately, are not raised, they have ALREADY been raised, and raised by two whole generations of "freaks with twisted brains."
        It so happened that the relatives ended up in Kiev from the Soviet times, who "got rid of" and now it is very difficult to communicate with them, and these are mature people, and young people ... these speak with slogans from "Censor" and "5th Channel" ( Kievsky) - "Russians are quilted jackets, Colorado, drunk, Putin unleashed a war in Donbass, there is no energy bridge in Crimea, - these are inventions of Kremlin propaganda ..." and many, many different idiocies. And they were so zombified that when they heard something about Russia, when they saw the Russian flag or St. George's ribbon, they fall into a hysterical state and it seems to me that they can kill if a herd of several people is grouped ..., sorry, individuals. There are a lot of very people running wild and there is no need to amuse yourself with the fact that sometime, in the foreseeable future, something healthy can sprout there ... there is nothing to sprout from ...
        1. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 4 May 2016 10: 44
          +2
          [quote = sevsor] There are a lot of very wild people and do not need to amuse yourself with the fact that once, in the foreseeable future, something healthy can grow there ... there is nothing to grow from ... [/ quote

          That's for sure ... It will not grow ... There is nothing to grow from.
        2. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 4 May 2016 10: 44
          +2
          [quote = sevsor] There are a lot of very wild people and do not need to amuse yourself with the fact that once, in the foreseeable future, something healthy can grow there ... there is nothing to grow from ... [/ quote

          That's for sure ... It will not grow ... There is nothing to grow from.
        3. Lens
          Lens 4 May 2016 11: 17
          -7
          You are not alarmed how suddenly, all Ukrainian friends and relatives became banderlogs. And not in Lviv and Ternopol, but in Kiev, Kherson, Sumy .... Can they talk at a different level? Ask how people have such beliefs, and not write them down in zombies. Relatives all the same ....
          1. reservist
            reservist 4 May 2016 12: 11
            +1
            Quote: Lens
            ... how suddenly, all Ukrainian friends and relatives became banderlogs.

            why "suddenly"? a quarter of a century is a long time ...
            Below is a picture about Overton's windows ...
          2. sevsor
            sevsor 4 May 2016 12: 26
            +7
            "Objective" is not "SUDDENLY, all Ukrainian friends and relatives became banderlog" ... Brainwashing began almost from the first day of the so-called "Nezalezhnosti" - only one TV show "Pavlo Polubotok" cost what - Peter I is depicted drunk sadist and degenerate, his environment is completely scoundrels and thieves, Russian soldiers take poses and walk like SS men, etc., at the same time, the Ukrainians there are such that only icons from them can be painted ... This is 1991 and more than once showed. And then there was "Ukraine is not Russia", films (I forgot the name), where the SS man Shukhevych is "the mind, honor and conscience of Ukrainians", this is intensified Ukrainization, when even here, in Sevastopol, city advertising was on the move ( for whom ?!), gradually, gradually, and here you are, the ideas of "maydaun" appeared, relatives and friends selflessly jump for the "European maybutne", "for visa-free travel" and no conversations, convictions any longer work! Everything - Bandera is a hero, and Putin, Russia is enemies, Crimea was squeezed out, a referendum at gunpoint and other nonsense! ((And you say: "You can talk at a different level" ... You just have to wait and hope - maybe it will come, that's all- still, someday)))
            1. The comment was deleted.
              1. Sasha_Sar
                Sasha_Sar 4 May 2016 17: 10
                +1
                Or maybe look at it more truthfully. This weaving in the garden has been yours for centuries. You got married to a neighbor, it seems like a common one. But that's not the problem "divorce and maiden name". A neighbor married another, who, with the help of this hundred, began to shit on you. As then? Where is the truth brother ?!
            2. Lens
              Lens 4 May 2016 16: 59
              +2
              In order not to be unfounded, I rewound the VO archive until 2010. Flipped through the messages. Georgia, Libya, Israel ... Well, the United States and NATO, where can we go without them ... A hundred there with Ukraine? Medvedev met with Yanukovych, Ukraine adopted "stugna" ... 2011 ... BTR 3 was shown in Thailand ... Vo! On May 25, exercises were held between the Black Sea Fleet of Russia and the Ukrainian Navy! ... Stop, what about the Bandera? However, an article flashed that the Hero was canceled for him ... So where is the rampant Ukrainization and Russophobia? In the specified advertising, play and film? In which countries is advertising not in the state language? And no offense, but you don't know history well. I do not defend Shukhevych, for me he inflicted atrocities more than Bandera, but he was never an SS member.
              1. reservist
                reservist 4 May 2016 17: 49
                +3
                Quote: Lens
                I do not defend Shukhevych, for me he inflicted more atrocities on Bandera, but he was never a Soviet soldier.

                he had another "specialization", the Hauptmann of the Nachtigall battalion
                1. Lens
                  Lens 4 May 2016 22: 24
                  -1
                  That's right - this team obeyed Abwehr, but not the SS. I am well aware that the first and second EVIL, but you need to be precise in the details. Then there will be less debate.
                  1. reservist
                    reservist 5 May 2016 19: 20
                    +1
                    Well, yes, the man in the photo was probably terribly interested in who the "nightingales" who killed him in 41 obeyed ...
              2. Lukich
                Lukich 5 May 2016 00: 44
                +1
                Quote: Lens
                So where is the total Ukrainization and Russophobia?

                and what happened about the ban on Russian TV? Films and TV shows? and the race on a gilyaka? in your tv? and who does not skip that? also on tv? and weekly delirium from starting a bucket and others like him ass licking about aggression? this is not ??????
                1. Lens
                  Lens 5 May 2016 09: 01
                  -1
                  And you, my friend, a provocateur. I’ll pick up one of these topics and I’ll just be kicked out of the site. And you and couch strategists will rub your hands in satisfaction - they say you can’t prove anything. This will not be a discussion, but a beating.
          3. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 4 May 2016 13: 05
            +6
            Quote: Lens
            Ask how people have such beliefs, and not write them down in zombies. Relatives all the same ....

            Oh how! Shaw already agree to talk? Wow! And about two years ago they dropped the pipes! Shaw have already become relatives back? Is life really so bad? But what about "we will never be brothers"? What about our "fetters" and your "will"? Or have you already taken a sip of beads, and now agree to "shackles"? You look, two more years of a therapeutic diet, you will love Putin and you will sing the Anthem of Russia
            1. Lens
              Lens 4 May 2016 16: 04
              +3
              And I normally communicate with my brother and sister. He is in Tyumen, she is in Rostov ... Why? Maybe it’s because they called and just asked what was going on there in Kiev? And my mother (a retired Russian language teacher). She simply answered them. They believed. They believed that we did not like Bandera, did not speak Ukrainian ...
              1. reservist
                reservist 4 May 2016 18: 03
                +3
                Quote: Lens
                we did not like Bandera, did not speak Ukrainian ...

                are not afraid that your children will do it?
                1. Lens
                  Lens 4 May 2016 22: 30
                  0
                  No. Not afraid. The son is seventeen. His ideals have already been formed and Bandera, as far as I know, is not present in them. Daughters are eight. At the moment, all her "Ukrainization" is embroidered shirts and folk dances. The frame presented by you most likely has somewhere, but not the schools where my children study. Maybe in the west ... Come on, I will not post screenshots of the Milonians and ask "are you not afraid that your children will zig in greeting". One brick at a time does not judge the whole house.
                  1. Corporal Valera
                    Corporal Valera 5 May 2016 00: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: Lens
                    One brick at a time does not judge the whole house.

                    Not such a frail brick! Let's do it this way: you post one photo with the Milonites (I really don't know who they are), and I'll give you ten with Bandera. At the same time, let's see the proportions in 140 million Russia and 40 million Ukraine.
                    1. Lens
                      Lens 5 May 2016 08: 56
                      0
                      Now I will try to download. True, not Milonovites, but monarchist-nationalists. I just do not work with my native device ... It doesn’t work ... Patience until tomorrow evening?
                      1. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera 5 May 2016 12: 08
                        +1
                        Do not bother. My base will be wider
                        https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=бандеровские шествия&redircnt=1462439199.1
                  2. reservist
                    reservist 5 May 2016 19: 34
                    0
                    Quote: Lens
                    The frame you submitted most likely has a place somewhere, but not in the schools where my children study. Maybe in the west ...

                    those. the fact that in Ukraine (albeit not at schools familiar to you) from the servicemen of the Third Reich they make national heroes - does it bother you?

                    Come on, I will not post screenshots of the Milonians and ask "are you not afraid that your children will zig in greeting".

                    and milongovites zig?
                    enlighten, pls, otherwise I’m somehow not very interested in this deputy of the AP of St. Petersburg ...
          4. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 4 May 2016 15: 03
            +2
            For the most part, my Ukrainian and wife’s relatives did not become banderlogs for some reason, although there are some among them.
          5. reservist
            reservist 4 May 2016 20: 22
            0
            Quote: Lens
            Ask how people have such beliefs, and not write them down in zombies.


            at the 20th second, the crowd chants - "Russia get up!"
            here even a couple of years later it is interesting - why and for what to get up then?
            1. Lens
              Lens 4 May 2016 22: 34
              0
              He is also a Bandera? Or a horse on the Maidan? What label to hang on it? He is Russian. By definition, it cannot be any of the above. So fascist?
              1. reservist
                reservist 5 May 2016 17: 00
                0
                what do you think?
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 4 May 2016 10: 18
        +7
        Quote: Bone
        Why not eliminate the top of these Natsik ??? All of these Poroshenko, Yaytsenyukhov and other geeks ..

        Sudoplatov is not present. and paraphrasing
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 4 May 2016 10: 41
        +8
        Quote: Bone
        Everything according to Goebbels' precepts, a distortion of history and the further replacement of white by black ... !!!

        The history of degradation occurred in just 25 years, when the unthinkable became a reality
      4. fzr1000
        fzr1000 4 May 2016 13: 05
        +1
        In general, the role of Bandera in the genocide during the Second World War was not particularly advertised during the late USSR, so as not to violate the picture of internationalism and the equal rights of the peoples of the country. But in vain.
    4. Andrey K
      Andrey K 4 May 2016 09: 39
      +9
      Quote: fzr1000
      "The office writes". Our ICR and the Prosecutor General's Office also records everything that the Svidomo are doing. Let's see. There is ink and paper.

      And what are they doing ... From jumping up and down the brain ...
      We can say the words of our ancestors:
      “A people who do not know their past have no future”
      (Mikhail Vasilievich Lomonosov) yes
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 4 May 2016 13: 07
        0
        I'm talking about military and criminal actions against my people.
    5. Lukich
      Lukich 4 May 2016 10: 11
      +11
      Quote: fzr1000
      "The office writes". Our ICR and the Prosecutor General's Office also records everything that the Svidomo are doing. Let's see. There is ink and paper.
  2. avvg
    avvg 4 May 2016 09: 04
    +3
    No matter how hard they tried, they didn’t roll them back and forth with a paint roller, the "dill" will not be white fluffy.
  3. GrandsonUncle Vasi
    GrandsonUncle Vasi 4 May 2016 09: 13
    +2
    "Scribblers" will be added! So all the oceans themselves "will dig" and all the peaks of the world will "train"! Salo to Ukraine.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 4 May 2016 09: 24
      +7
      Quote: GrandsonUncle Vasi
      "Scribblers" will be added! So all the oceans themselves "will dig" and all the peaks of the world will "train"! Salo to Ukraine.

      Poor science "HISTORY"! Who has not written or rewritten it already? This applies to the entire World History, every country, every era, any more or less significant figure is trying to rewrite history for themselves. And this applies not only to Nezalezhnaya. On the websites there are reports that the EU countries have begun an attempt to rewrite the history of the Second World War and whitewash war criminals.
  4. Volksib
    Volksib 4 May 2016 09: 13
    -3
    This is a normal process of healing the nation of Independent. Yes, and judging by the crowds of duped people about the whole country as a whole, it will not be objective. The process is ongoing and everything will return to normal.
  5. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 4 May 2016 09: 16
    +3
    Ukrainians are Ukrainians and not Ukrainians, the people living in Ukraine, probably think that nationalism originated in Ukraine? Maybe Hitler comes from Galitchina. For me, the UPA and the OPA are the same thing - the Nazis burn you all in hell.
  6. newcomer
    newcomer 4 May 2016 09: 17
    +6
    Bissmark said, in order to weaken the power of Russia, it is necessary to find and nurture all kinds of criminals, preferably from nationalists who hate everything Russian and their Russian roots, and it’s better to watch how the Slav brothers kill each other. the ss leadership had their own plans for ukrnatsiks, use them as punishers for natsiks were the best material for this, and after that they had to be completely destroyed, because even for ss ukrnitsy were too inhuman to their own people.
  7. siberalt
    siberalt 4 May 2016 09: 22
    +8
    History is being rewritten everywhere. But in the post-Soviet space, this is done with particular paranoia. Or is the "recognition" of Katyn by Russia not evidence of this and a betrayal of our history? So far, no one has answered for the collapse of the USSR and who "cancer" put Russia in the 90s. The revival begins with the cleansing of enemies and the public recognition of mistakes, and not with the atonement of sins in a church parish who have made a career out of membership in the CPSU. hi
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 May 2016 09: 22
    +3
    The falsification of history is a powerful and destructive weapon for ... our own people. A nation without roots cannot be successful in the short term.
    Such a nation will need more than one generation to return "to its origins." It's inevitable, but so painful ...
  9. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 4 May 2016 09: 26
    +3
    As the Gestapo’s burning newspaper archives replied to the editor: we will write our story.
  10. ASK505
    ASK505 4 May 2016 09: 26
    +2
    The Maidan of the brain is gaining momentum until the final self-destruction. It's a question of time. It remains only to replace the Cyrillic alphabet with the Latin alphabet, to prove to Uncle Sam - Ukraine ce 100% Europe.
  11. Prisoner
    Prisoner 4 May 2016 09: 27
    +4
    These are not Ukrainians. This Galician Selyuk activates in alliance with money bags. And the swamp that gave its children to these brain-sneezers is silent and hawala. Those who opposed the fascist pack in Odessa were burned, they are shooting in the Donbass. There, denazification must be carried out more strictly than in Germany.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 5 May 2016 07: 26
      0
      .. so it is necessary to deport non-Russians to Penguin from the territory of the Outskirts without a visa, forcibly, there are lace-up panties ... and everything that your heart desires and there are no sepors ..., well, there are few descendants from the Niger , yes isho uninhabited Indians a little in reservations ..
  12. Vladimir57
    Vladimir57 4 May 2016 09: 28
    +4
    So far it goes like this ...
  13. Altona
    Altona 4 May 2016 09: 33
    +3
    As part of the imperial policy, Austria-Hungary reformatted the inhabitants of Galicia into "Ukrainians", destroying Orthodoxy and Russian culture-language, literature, etc. Now the US is doing the same within the framework of its imperial policy, but this time throughout Ukraine. Therefore, Ukraine is rewriting history not in its own interests, but completely in strangers. Because after Ukrainization it will become clear that Ukraine should be divided into even smaller territorial entities. Especially in the west of the country, it will become clear that there is Hungarian autonomy, Carpathian, Romanian, Greek, Jewish, Crimean Tatar. In general, "Yugoslavia-2.0"
    1. Lankaster
      Lankaster 4 May 2016 14: 09
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      As part of the imperial policy, Austria-Hungary reformatted the inhabitants of Galicia into "Ukrainians", destroying Orthodoxy and Russian culture-language, literature, etc. Now the US is doing the same within the framework of its imperial policy, but this time throughout Ukraine.

      And before Austria-Hungary, the inhabitants of Galicia were Orthodox and spoke Russian ?? belay
      1. Bath
        Bath 4 May 2016 22: 15
        +1
        Lviv before it became Polish was the center of the Russian Voivodeship
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. Weyland
        Weyland 6 May 2016 02: 06
        +2
        Quote: Lankaster
        And before Austria-Hungary, the inhabitants of Galicia were Orthodox and spoke Russian ??


        Orthodox - not all, but many. The language was called "Rusyn"
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 4 May 2016 15: 06
      0
      Austria. In Austria-Hungary there was no single policy on the national question. Different concepts were used in Austria and Hungary.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 6 May 2016 02: 08
        0
        Quote: Sergej1972
        Austria.


        Then just Hungary! They still tried to climb there in the 12th century! wink
  14. Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 May 2016 09: 38
    +2
    Ukraine is allowed everything that it uses.
    Therefore, it is not worth talking about some kind of adequacy in relation to the actions of the Ukrainian authorities.
  15. Yarik76
    Yarik76 4 May 2016 09: 42
    +2
    The history of the people is a dangerous thing 'it can give back! I watched Polish regional TV "there are a lot of things they say about Svidomo" the main message is about the atrocities of Bandera and about Lvov. The dill section is yet to come!
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 4 May 2016 10: 56
      +3
      Quote: Yarik76
      The history of the people is a dangerous thing 'it can give back! I watched Polish regional TV "there are a lot of things they say about Svidomo" the main message is about the atrocities of Bandera and about Lvov. The dill section is yet to come!

      Having abandoned the past, they lost the foundation for the future. The law of physics says - the stability of the body depends on the area of ​​the support. By trimming their historical support to the level of the OUN and UPA, they will only achieve that their design collapses.
  16. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 4 May 2016 09: 58
    +1
    It is clear why this is being done in Ukraine.
    But it is not clear why in Russia nationalism is identified with Nazism.
    The Nazis declare the enemy of the aliens and call for their destruction.
    Nationalists do not.
    However, this trend has its origin in 1917, if we talk about Russia.
    And it continues in our time.
    Characteristically, the article has no author ..
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 4 May 2016 10: 30
      -1
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Nationalists do not.

      and what do nationalists do? in more detail
      1. Bath
        Bath 4 May 2016 22: 17
        +2
        nationalists of all nations are patriots, Russian nationalists in Russia are fools and provocateurs aren't they funny?
  17. BOB044
    BOB044 4 May 2016 10: 02
    +1
    They are miserable there on non-fallow. No history, no memory. So do not understand that it is not a state. Which ceases to exist. hi
  18. Tanya
    Tanya 4 May 2016 10: 27
    +5
    At present, the entire "civilized world" is rewriting history. The meaning of this "new history" is the complete rehabilitation of fascism and mockery of the memory of its victors. Ukraine has succeeded most in this. The most disgusting thing here is that Europe spits on other people's fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers, and Ukrainians - on their own.
    I really hope to live up to the time when this whole bunch of newly-minted Nazis will be hanged.
  19. Lukich
    Lukich 4 May 2016 10: 27
    +2
    Quote: Amurets
    .Now there are reports on the sites that in the EU countries began an attempt to rewrite the history of the Second World War and to whitewash war criminals.

    it began to be rewritten in 1945. but then there were many living witnesses. quieted down. Now with a new force, taking into account previous mistakes. In me, the young generation already believes that the USSR dropped atomic bombs on them. and refute some living witnesses not. so soon it will appear in the history of the outskirts that Chernobyl was specially blown up to destroy dill
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 4 May 2016 13: 00
      +1
      Quote: Lukich
      it began to be rewritten in 1945. but then there were many living witnesses. quieted down. Now with a new force, taking into account previous mistakes. In me, the young generation already believes that the USSR dropped atomic bombs on them. and refute some living witnesses not. so soon it will appear in the history of the outskirts that Chernobyl was specially blown up to destroy dill

      And all because "History as a science was raped by all who wanted. For the sake of ideology." And this applies to everyone.
  20. sergo1914
    sergo1914 4 May 2016 10: 48
    +3
    Quote: Vladimir57
    So far it goes like this ...


    Scientific Theory Born
    At one time, the Neanderthals did not die in the fight against the Cro-Magnons, but moved to a place of compact residence. It was here that the proto-ukra formation appeared. Further, a split occurred among them. A feat was needed that would lead the people of the proto-ukras to new heights. The main body wanted to dig the sea. Oppositionists, on the other hand, swung themselves at a simply unthinkable feat - to find land in the East where there is no oil and settle there. The people were divided. Most of them remained in place, dug the sea and settled on its shores. In the process of digging, the nation identified itself as the Great Ukrainians and occupied the top step of the pyramid of intelligent life on planet Earth. The opposition, the same ... The search lasted for a long forty years. And this place was found. True, some radical historians argue that the opposition simply went to the seashore and settled there. Scientists got hold of a fragment of an ancient manuscript with the inscription "If there is no water in the tap, then you have drunk ...". Unfortunately, it is not possible to completely restore the saying. This inscription allows some radical historians to assume that the oil was simply drunk by the opposition proto-ukry. There is another point of view. There was a certain religious symbol - "gesheft". If this category was assigned to any goal or task, there was no force that could become an obstacle to its achievement. Some scientists believe that the search for land without oil has received the category "gesheft".
    Thus, the opposition of proto-Ukrainians also got the opportunity to identify themselves as a separate people. And she took a worthy second place in the hierarchical pyramid. Cro-Magnons, carried away by internal strife, remained at a primitive level. The authors of all, without exception, great scientific discoveries, all the great monuments of cultural heritage are the representatives of two peoples, which have the roots of proto-Ukrainian civilization. The reason for this is a higher intellectual and cultural level of proto-cucumbers.
    "Iliad", "Mhabharata", "The Knight in the Panther's Skin", "Song of Hiawatha", "Dom-2" - all this was presented to the world by the Great Ukrainians.
    Some researchers call the cause of this nose shape. Most of the representatives of the opposition nationality and part of the Great Ukrov (not affected by incest with other nations and nationalities) have a more developed nose. Researchers suggest that the reason for this is a dual function. In addition to the usual function of breathing, the nose is also a repository of brain matter. According to some estimates - up to 100 gr. That gives an undeniable advantage over the descendants of the Cro-Magnons. It is this advantage that allows descendants of proto-Ukrainians to occupy leading positions in the states of descendants of Cro-Magnons. Where they are leaders, the population of states flourishes.
    Unfortunately. over time, the difference between the two branches of the same protonation increases. Opposition protoukry lost the ability to ride. The task of explaining this phenomenon is waiting for its researchers. The reasons for the jump of Great Ukrov are also not yet known. The composition of the atmosphere in the place of residence, the specific construction of celestial bodies, the calendar nature - all these explanations have both supporters and opponents.

    And finally - here he is the Great Ukrainian
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 4 May 2016 12: 56
      +1
      Quote: sergo1914
      There was a certain religious symbol - "gesheft". If this category was assigned to any goal or task, there was no force that could become an obstacle to its achievement. Some scientists believe that the search for land without oil has received the category "gesheft".

      When the opposition traveled to search for land without oil, God sent "Manna from heaven" to earth earth. Where did the term "Freebie" come from? Http://fb.ru/article/66922/manna-nebesnaya-otkuda-proizoshel-e
      tot-frazeologizm
  21. The comment was deleted.
  22. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 May 2016 11: 31
    0
    Volksib
    judging by the crowds of duped people about the whole country as a whole will not be objective. The process is ongoing and everything will return to normal.

    And these crowds from another country came? How not to judge the country by the people? The process is underway, but this process is aimed at further degradation and Russophobia of the whole country. Therefore, to think that everything will return to "normal" in my opinion is naive.
  23. Lens
    Lens 4 May 2016 11: 36
    +2
    To paraphrase, we can say - history is like a drawbar, where you turn there and it turned out .... As for me it should be a PERFECTLY independent and objective science. As a chronology - a date, an event. And not only in Ukraine. In the DPR, now too, new textbooks were printed, guess who the heroes are))) And for me, a trip to the city of Stryi, Lviv region in 2007 was a clear example.
    I wandered into the local history museum. About six little rooms with fossils, stuffed animals and medieval belongings are so scrupulously shown that Oskoma attacks! Then the beginning of the last century, the First World War ... Then the hall of the Second World War. Well, only the fire was not laid out in the cache! And Oun uniforms, and rusty weapons, and photographs on the wall to the ceiling, and yellowed letters ... The last room is STILL! But it looks a bit scanty. Exposition "Stryi Today". Kuchma arrived at the station ... Something was opened, something launched ... And then it dawns on me! I go to the woman caretaker and wonder - where they say is the historical layer in half a century? !! USSR where? !!! She sighed and pointed to the top with her eyes - an indication ...
  24. Siberian
    Siberian 4 May 2016 11: 44
    +3
    The Institute of National Remembrance must be renamed the University of National Unconsciousness. wassat
    But nothing, these diseases are treated, but for a long time and painfully. angry
  25. Lelek
    Lelek 4 May 2016 11: 59
    +1
    (rewriting history, Ukraine struggles with its own identity)

    The author said nothing new. And everything that is written to them, and "prickly" has long been known. The only thing that will bring this unfinished business to a normal state is the overthrow of the Kiev junta, the declaration of Nazi-Bandera organized crime groups, decriminalization and de-oligarchization of the economic and industrial sector. But the fulfillment of these three counterpoints is impossible without a huge effort and desire of the population of the WHOLE country and without the shedding of blood - the process of "disease" is too advanced. The federalization of the former Ukraine could give a certain percentage of the positive effect in "treatment", but the authorities will not agree to this, since they will lose this very power. It remains only to observe the decay process. yes
  26. Haloperidol
    Haloperidol 4 May 2016 13: 11
    +1
    In fact, everything is much simpler. There was never a single Ukraine, and it cannot be. There was always Ukraine of Mazepa and Khmelnichky, and Crimea and Donbass were not Ukraine at all, and the territory of Russia was forcibly included in the composition of Ukraine of the CPSU, in 1920-54.
  27. newcomer
    newcomer 4 May 2016 13: 12
    +3
    tim00, a bissmark of Ukrainians and meant, Galicians more accurately. but “it” has been growing since the 80s of the last century. example: my friend went to friends in the western region, somewhere between 85 ~ 86, on a UAZ on the tent of which there was a red star reflector. generally torn and awning and tires.
  28. Ros 56
    Ros 56 4 May 2016 14: 22
    +1
    History remembers everything, from the time of Cain and Judah how many years have passed, and people remember. So Giblets and you and the other husks will not be forgotten, think about grandchildren
  29. The comment was deleted.
    1. Sasha_Sar
      Sasha_Sar 4 May 2016 17: 27
      +2
      The Nazis are not good, but these "home-grown" nationalists did not chop the Poles and Jews with axes. And they "get out" within the framework of the law and the constitution. Where is there no right? Marie Lee Pen (France) is not worth listing all, don’t make an advertisement. And those who are soiled with blood "sew mittens". Unlike those who arranged "Khatyn" on May 2, 2014 in Odessa.
  30. kvd015
    kvd015 4 May 2016 17: 24
    +1
    Quote: Haloperidol
    In fact, everything is much simpler. There was never a single Ukraine, and it cannot be. There was always Ukraine of Mazepa and Khmelnichky, and Crimea and Donbass were not Ukraine at all, and the territory of Russia was forcibly included in the composition of Ukraine of the CPSU, in 1920-54.

    Well then, there never was and cannot be both Belgium (Flanders and Wallonia) and Switzerland with its many different cantons and ... I will not list further so as not to clog the chat.
    1. reservist
      reservist 4 May 2016 18: 30
      +1
      If I am not mistaken, Belgium is a federal state, and Switzerland is a confederation.
      And as part of Ukraine there was only one autonomous republic ...
  31. sevsor
    sevsor 4 May 2016 18: 23
    +2
    Quote: Lens
    And I normally communicate with my brother and sister. He is in Tyumen, she is in Rostov ... Why? Maybe it’s because they called and just asked what was going on there in Kiev? And my mother (a retired Russian language teacher). She simply answered them. They believed. They believed that we did not like Bandera, did not speak Ukrainian ...

    What an idyll ... "What do you have in Kiev?", "Yes, everything is fine, calm", "And here they show that in Kiev" Berkut "is burning people, people are being killed, Bandera's people are yelling that" "Did they burn people alive in Odessa?", "That no, tse - Kremlin propaganda!" "Ah, well then, everything is fine, glory to Ukraine! ...", "Glory to the heroes!")))))
    1. Lens
      Lens 4 May 2016 22: 45
      -1
      Do not spell unspoken words to my mom. By the way, this shows your bias towards news from Ukraine. Mom answered shortly to the sister’s question - revolution. Then there were no deaths, Odessa .... Then the sister asked if my mother works.
      - Yes, I work. Another year before retirement.
      - And where?
      - In the same place at school ....
      - And by whom?
      - Also - a teacher of the Russian language ....
      Pretty long pause.
      - And they say ...
      - Galya. we watch what you say (then the Russian channels were not turned off and the whole family "admired" Kiselev). Divide everything said by ten!
      1. reservist
        reservist 5 May 2016 17: 27
        0
        Quote: Lens
        Mom answered shortly the sister’s question - revolution.

        if the social system is changing, then the revolution,
        if it remains the same, then a coup ...
  32. In search
    In search 4 May 2016 20: 38
    0
    As a story, do not rewrite, but how it ended we know and tell our grandchildren.
  33. ver_
    ver_ 5 May 2016 05: 47
    +1
    Quote: Sasha_Sar
    Or maybe look at it more truthfully. This weaving in the garden has been yours for centuries. You got married to a neighbor, it seems like a common one. But that's not the problem "divorce and maiden name". A neighbor married another, who, with the help of this hundred, began to shit on you. As then? Where is the truth brother ?!

    .. And the truth is, she, brother, is so shameful and ugly that there is no desire to look at her ..
  34. ver_
    ver_ 5 May 2016 06: 50
    0
    Quote: Alexander 3
    Ukrainians are Ukrainians and not Ukrainians, the people living in Ukraine, probably think that nationalism originated in Ukraine? Maybe Hitler comes from Galitchina. For me, the UPA and the OPA are the same thing - the Nazis burn you all in hell.

    .. Hell and Paradise are in one place - this is the soul of man .. Only the death of man reconciles him with the World ..
  35. The comment was deleted.