Shamans: a new four-wheel “Typhoon” is being developed for the Airborne Forces

For the Russian Airborne Forces in the framework of the Typhoon OCD, a new wheeled vehicle is being developed; at present, the designers have already begun to create the first prototype, it reports RIA News message commander Vladimir Shamanov.

“As part of the Typhoon design work, a four-wheel combat vehicle was developed for reconnaissance and special airborne units and special operations forces. Now its creation has already entered the stage of design documentation and the manufacture of the first prototype. This is the first step in creating the wheel segment of military equipment ",

told the Shamans.

In addition, "in parallel with the work carried out with the military-industrial company, which offers a floating amphibious vehicle on a wheel course with a third degree of protection," he added.

He also said that a medical machine and a control machine will be created on the basis of "Shells" and BMD-4М.

“They (“ Shell ”and BMD-4М) will become the main mobile range of the whole range of armored vehicles on crawler tracks. A medical machine will be created on their basis - the Traumatism development project and the control complex machine with the Andromeda automatic control system ”,

Said Shamans.

According to him, this chassis will also be used to mount an anti-Kornet with enhanced-range missiles on it.

Comments

[RUSOIVAN]

the main thing is to be developed and go into the series!

[Klim2011]

The shell seems to have a landing hatch on top, how can it be a medic?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Klim2011

The shell seems to have a landing hatch on top, how can it be a medic?

Easily.

[Klim2011]

Respect for a detailed answer.

[Maksus]

What reptile came up with the name Injury for BMM ??? Still called Amputation or Empyema. Fiends ...

[BULB TARAS]

yes, the "pill" was more familiar)

[SerB60]

Euthanasia + Suicide = dad and mom of the inventor of the name))

[demiurg]

A four-axis Typhoon will weigh how much? Can it be dropped with IL-76? And why the paratroopers this car?
Which of the military in the subject, enlighten.

[Rus_87]

Not four-axle, but four-wheeled, two axles.

[Michael67]

You can drop with IL-76.
Why paratroopers such a machine?
Imagine our landing on the white house ... As without art support?

[Victorio]

Quote: demiurg

A four-axis Typhoon will weigh how much? Can it be dropped with IL-76? And why the paratroopers this car?
Which of the military in the subject, enlighten.

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[Victorio]

Quote: demiurg

A four-axis Typhoon will weigh how much? Can it be dropped with IL-76? And why the paratroopers this car?
Which of the military in the subject, enlighten.

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[Teberii]

Development must meet the requirements of the Airborne For transportation and landing.

[Vitas]

Noticed. In the book by science fiction writer Zorich "Tomorrow is War" there is a mention of the VKS, the book was written much earlier than the latter were created. And the Russian Aerospace Forces have Andromeda. Science fiction drives progress. Or are they studying Zorich at the General Staff too ?! ;)

[Igor39]

Coming soon

[Zefr]

And how is it to go about the little (and especially the big)? you’ll scratch everything with your claws and you won’t be able to wipe yourself ...

[Verdun]

Or are they studying Zorich in the General Staff ?! ;)

Maybe this Zorich has access to the documents of the General Staff?))

[Corsair]

Quote: Verdun

Maybe this Zorich has access to the documents of the General Staff?))

do you suppose that Zorich works at the General Staff, and writes fiction in the evenings?

[Verdun]

assume that Zorich in GSh works

Since behind the pseudonym "Zorich" are two different-sex individuals with humanitarian education, I would rather consider this binary figure as an "agent of influence."

[demiurg]

Quote: Rus_87

Not four-axle, but four-wheeled, two axles.

Thank you, I didn’t notice. And then all the questions are removed. It turns out unified with a new generation of armored vehicles BRDM. Good on it you can hang a bunch, for every taste and color ..

[CORNET]

Let's see what kind of thing they will create ... The main thing is that there should be a reliable and unpretentious car!

[Muvka]

So it seems there is already a 4-wheel. Or am I confusing something?

[APASUS]

If you modify a little, nothing will work out. Put the module with anti-tank systems.
ooo Kamaz - kamaz.ru, CC BY 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=32647777

[wanderer_032]

Quote: APASUS

If you modify a little, nothing will work out.

From the very beginning - sucks. Nedobtr, re-armored car.

[APASUS]

Quote: wanderer_032

From the very beginning - sucks. Nedobtr, re-armored car.

It is interesting that in your understanding then an armored personnel carrier?

[Zefr]

So this is a police car, mainly a mine mine. For patrolling on the roads.

[APASUS]

Quote: Zefr

So this is a police car, mainly a mine mine. For patrolling on the roads.

When this MO gave the terms of reference for the production of machines for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, do not be nonsense!

The machine was created according to the special specification of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. A combined protection of ceramic armor is installed, under which there is armor steel. All-round protection is provided against shelling by B-32 armor-piercing incendiary bullets of 14.5x114 caliber. Including the impact of these ammunition is also kept by the Typhoon glasses, which were created specifically for this vehicle by the Magistral LTD company.

[Rash]

And what does the tiger not like? Will there be re-grading again?

[Grandfather Eugene]

The tiger is intended for reconnaissance and special operations. A typhoon to deliver infantry to a battlefield. This is an armored car designed to partially replace tilt trucks with zero protection.

[Verdun]

New weapons for the airborne are wonderful. But if there is an attempt on the basis of the Airborne Forces to create a kind of quick reaction force, then I think this decision is not correct. The Marine Corps with its structure and weapons is much more suitable for this role.

[BULB TARAS]

it is very small and it is tied to the fleet ... in terms of mobility and response speed it is also inferior ...

[Verdun]

it is very small and it is attached to the fleet.

Rapid response troops - this is not a landing behind enemy lines. They are far from always being parachuted. More often, such forces are transferred from the airfield to the airfield and from port to port. But they really need both heavy armored vehicles and artillery support, which the Airborne Forces do not have. Moreover, the very structure of the Russian Marine Corps brigade, already existing, allows you to quickly deploy its battle formations for conducting full-fledged military operations. If you take an interest in the level of combat losses and the effectiveness of the marine corps during the storming of the same Grozny, you will understand a lot. And the number could well be increased.

[BULB TARAS]

And the landing on the enemy’s coast is where is this at home ??? From port to port by sea is it faster than an airplane ??? There is artillery in the Airborne Forces. All MP brigades have nearby airfields all armored vehicles and aircraft equipment prepared and crews trained in mooring in airplanes ??? And all the marines jump with a parachute ??? They may have a lower level of losses, but they started later and with a smaller composition (and collected them longer in all fleets, including sailors from ships and ships, and the commander of the Pacific Fleet) refused to go to Chechnya to fight) They fought well there is no dispute. Just study the history of the Airborne Forces application and results from 1956 and to this day, well, about the MP for this period too. And then compare achievements and opportunities.

[From Udmurtia]

New developments are, of course, good. Especially a lot of them recently, but when, finally, large series go, and not single developments. The army needs to be saturated with modern technology. New developments are, of course, good. Especially a lot of them recently, but when, finally, large series go, and not single developments. The army needs to be saturated with modern technology.

[kon125]

The Airborne Forces have long needed a more spacious cadet armored personnel carrier. I started as a medical instructor in a company. I know what it is to carry people with weapons. We were trained in Gayzhun. Only athletes of at least 1 category were recruited into the company so that we could carry the wounded on ourselves. V 42235 A. Therefore for such a car, of course, only thanks, it will give you the opportunity to drive closer, take more, and quickly deliver to the operation site ... and these seconds save lives, because first aid is speed ... Then I was the commander, and I remember the tightness in BMD 1 when the squad was crammed into places with weapons and BC. Instead of 7 people, 13 were packed. There was no stove, which was very "happy" in winter.
Shamanov rescued the troops from Serdyukovschina, strengthens them, introduces them into the structure of the airborne formations of the air defense unit, covering them from air strikes at all stages of military operations.
Changes the structure of units, reinforcing reconnaissance with electronic warfare, UAV.
Instead of reconnaissance, divisions are now reconnaissance battalions.
In every division there was always an artillery regiment, in every regiment an artillery division, now these units will be reinforced with new equipment.
And all this power retained the ability to transport by air. And landing from the BTA aircraft.
I will not say about communication and control systems.
But what is being done at the RVVDKKU .. Recently, the Union of Paratroopers drove 100 guys, I was the organizer, on Open Day at the School named after Hero of the Soviet Union V.F. Margelov .. guys, it's just a dream, I regretted that I was not 20 years old,
Equipping a training base, the conditions for classes .. simply shocking.
The Airborne Forces are also paying attention to the Minister of Defense, who immediately after the appointment planned the first trip to Ryazan, and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, who came to the 95th anniversary of the School.
The troops have changed a lot and are gaining strength. The divisions will again have three regiments plus an air regiment.
They are restoring the Alytus 97th regiment in the Crimea. New brigades are being formed. It is very, very happy, warms the soul.

[pimen]

So you, as a person in the subject, seriously believe that on the basis of the shell, a completely normal ambulance has turned out? Those. "turn" the car backwards - ahead and make a normal entrance from the ramp - is it not destiny? Let it be - as easy as the plant

[kon125]

I'll try and say. Read the post more carefully. Whoever carried it on himself understands what I wrote about. I prefer to carry the wounded badly than carry it well. Last time I did it on 30 .04. We dragged a cadet who broke his leg while jumping. And we carried the second to the pill and it was such a gift that she rode across the field. I’m better prepared to be tormented when loading than to drag on myself, especially since I need to carry both my own and the wounded man’s equipment and gear. There is standard number 2016 for dragging a wounded man on his back with a gun , 9 meters in 9 seconds it is necessary to overcome. I assure you that it is better to drive badly. Everything is simple in the cinema, but I think everyone here knows what it is to carry a relaxed, injured, screaming person. When everything is confused, through mud, etc., and how weight increases. compared to training, when he exerts himself and helps .. Let me customize any technique, I will process it and immerse the person without a stretcher. With a normal assistant, of course. In general, you're right, you really have to try.

[72jora72]

and take more, and quickly deliver to the place of operation .. and these seconds save lives, because first aid is speed.

I confirm if in the first hour after the wound prof. honey. help, the chances of surviving a seriously injured person quickly begin to approach zero .....

[72jora72]

and take more, and quickly deliver to the place of operation .. and these seconds save lives, because first aid is speed.

I confirm if in the first hour after the wound prof. honey. help, the chances of surviving a seriously injured person quickly begin to approach zero .....

[infantryman2020]

World experience shows that a normal medical armored tow truck (BMM) can only be obtained on the basis of an armored vehicle with a rear landing.
The rest is at the level of sadomasochism.
So, for example, loading a stretcher with a wounded man in a BMM based on the BTR-80 (side landing) is an almost sophisticated circus number.
Or, for example, loading a wounded in an unconscious / helpless state into an BMP-3 (rear-upper landing exit, similar to the "Shell") - this is an operation for 3-4 people :(

[Gray brother]

Quote: infantryman2020

(the rear-upper landing exit, similar to the "Shell") - this is an operation for 3-4 people :(

The stretcher is pushed along the roof of the engine compartment and that's it. Together, you can do this, if desired, though you will have to jump more.
By the way, the four are supposed to wear a stretcher.

[andrei72]

I also think that a NEW 4-wheeled vehicle (unlike an 8-wheeled vehicle !!!) is NOT NECESSARY for the Airborne Forces! Firstly, the level of protection will be "none", since the dimensions of the car are strictly limited, the weight is also and either to hang weak armor on it, or at least some kind of combat module, but all the same - extremely low cross-country ability, since each wheel will have too much large mass, and for the Airborne Forces, low mass, mobility, maneuverability and efficiency are some of the main criteria.

[Verdun]

First, the level of protection will be "none", since the dimensions of the machine are strictly limited, the weight

Dimensions, weight and ground pressure are not directly related to the number of wheels. On the same mining dump trucks, like "BELAZ" you will not find many wheels, but such equipment weighs a lot. The multi-wheel chassis has its advantages - more uniform traction with the ground, lower specific weight per wheelset, which allows the use of less bulky components, such as bearings and axles. On the other hand, four-wheeled vehicles have higher maneuverability and are somewhat easier to maintain. We need both those and others. It all depends on the specialization of a particular technique.

[Zomanus]

Great news. let them come up, try, do.
Then they will select the best in the series.
The airborne forces are not so numerous that hundreds of units would do the technique.
But on the other hand, there are specific requirements.

[gg.na]

Typewriter charm ! And subject to modernization, anything can be hung on it !!! The class is shorter !!!

[erased]

A new typhoon? So, the Tigers, Wolves, Scorpions and others like them, the Airborne Forces did not come up, although something is already in service? But the new vehicle will not be unified with the general equipment of the army. Although only the lazy has not been talking about unification lately. But it is easier to choose a common two-axle platform for the entire army than another. It is obviously easier. In a word, we need doping. Otherwise, there is no need to guess.

[Volksib]

The Airborne Forces were divided according to the range of tasks performed, and accordingly, the weapons were different. Heavy divisions (air assault) and light divisions (airborne assault) are equipped according to the tasks performed.

[Shuttle]

development work "Traumatism"

Rename OCD urgently! For example, in Avicena, or Hippocrates, or Aesculapius, or Paracelsus, or Dahl

In general, it seems that people who so called OCD did not look at all our cartoons.

In the blue sea, like in a pharmacy
Everything has an essence and weight.
Ship like a man
I need a name desperately!
You knowingly give a name
I will tell you in advance:
What do you call a yacht
So she will swim.
What do you call a yacht
So she will swim!
Call Hercules -
And command: Go! -
And she is without an ice cutter
Ice breaks at the Pole!
And you’ll call the trough
Do not get away from trouble -
Your yacht and in the swamp
Chokes on water.
Your yacht and in the swamp
Drunk water!
© Captain Vrungel.

[wanderer_032]

Shamans: a new four-wheel “Typhoon” is being developed for the Airborne Forces

And why is this cart needed for the Airborne Forces? For what purpose?

[Alexey RA]

You still ask why, in modern conditions, the airborne forces of the current look are needed - with the mandatory airborne de-airing equipment. Against whom are they going to land parachute assault forces, what forces to transport them, and what forces to ensure the landing.

And why does Comrade Shamanov set up a zoo for equipment in the Airborne Forces, while at the same time armed with airborne descent (based on BMD / BTR-D), airmobile (BTR-80 + vehicles based on MTLB) and aircraft (T-72Б3) equipment?

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Alexey RA

And why does Comrade Shamanov set up a zoo for equipment in the Airborne Forces, while at the same time armed with airborne descent (based on BMD / BTR-D), airmobile (BTR-80 + vehicles based on MTLB) and aircraft (T-72Б3) equipment?

It would also be nice to know. We like the whole military-industrial complex, only on the airborne forces should it bother? What's the point?
By the way, BMD-4M and BTR MDM - officially adopted. Established automotive equipment they have all sorts of different and so is available. So what else are the paratroopers missing? Why did they need 4x4 armored cars? For what?

Or do we have airborne forces to fulfill the tasks of explosives? It looks like a madhouse. Here in VV (now the national guard of the Russian Federation) - a similar technique is appropriate. And why is the Airborne Forces?

[gallville]

Quote: wanderer_032

Or do we have airborne forces to fulfill the tasks of explosives? It looks like a madhouse. Here in VV (now the national guard of the Russian Federation) - a similar technique is appropriate. And why is the Airborne Forces?

Weird question. We’ll drown the aircraft carrier and bring down the satellite !!!!

[Evil 55]

Perhaps another "fresh" analogue of the "mess" is being prepared .. The car, in principle, was not bad ..

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Angry 55

Perhaps another "fresh" analogue of the "mess" is being prepared.

Personally, in my opinion, using an ordinary armored car instead of a BRDM is silly and irrational. Because like BRDM, it’s practically none. Because deprived of the ability to independently overcome water barriers. What is very important for the BRDM. Because gives higher opportunities for action - reconnaissance group which moves on it.

[gallville]

Quote: wanderer_032

Because like BRDM, it’s practically none. Because deprived of the ability to independently overcome water barriers. What is very important for the BRDM.

The article says:

in parallel, work is underway with a military-industrial company that offers a floating amphibious wheeled vehicle with a third degree of protection

Apparently going to make a mess. Although what's the point? Already used Boomerang shortened and calmed down.

They are ("Shell" and BMD-4M) will become the main mobile row of the entire spectrum of armored vehicles on tracked vehicles. On their basis, a medical machine will be created - the development work "Traumatism" - and a machine of the control complex with an automatic control system "Andromeda"

As I did not figure out from the photo "Shell" a hefty barn - the dream of a grenade launcher. I don't like the car because of its dimensions, for the sake of 2 more seats, the car was so fed.
The control machine is good, the medical machine is also (interesting to evacuate or treat?), But where is Nona?

[abc_alex]

Quote: Evil 55

Perhaps another "fresh" analogue of the "mess" is being prepared .. The car, in principle, was not bad ..

Most likely, the KAMAZ team managed to push 53949 "Typhoonok" into the army. The only thing left is to replace the imported motor, gearbox and axles with domestic ones and make a combat vehicle out of a wheeled chassis. And, well, yes, also change the armor, it is also imported ...