Kazakhstan shipbuilders launched another patrol ship

Another border patrol ship Sarbaz of the 22180 project (the national classification is the 300 project) has been launched at the Ural Zenit plant, the blog reports bmpd with reference to the TV channel 24KZ.

The report notes that “the ship with a displacement of 250 t was built on the order of the National Security Committee of Kazakhstan to protect the sea borders in the Caspian Sea”.

The ship "Sarbaz" is for the plant 24-m in a row and was built by the state defense order for maritime border guards. From their predecessors in the project 0300, and they were 4, "Sarbaz" differs more powerful and modern artillery installation. It is equipped with a combat module with remote control. In addition, it provides means to detect and combat underwater sabotage threats, ”the message says.

According to the channel, the "predecessors of Sarbaz" are: "Sardar", "Sakshi", "Zhenis" and "Semser" ".

Comments

[avvg]

Well done, the Kazakhs, unlike the Ukrainians, have not "sold" or "drank" the legacy of the Soviet Union, there is where he builds ships.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: avvg

Well done, Kazakhs, did not drink the legacy of the Soviet Union.

Yeah, now they’re also great sailors And the coolest thing is that their writing is exactly the same age as the Soviet regime.

[CORNET]

“The Sarbaz ship is the 24th in a row for the plant and was built under the state defense order for maritime border guards.

Well, what’s not bad for a start .. So keep Kazakhstan!

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

Yeah, now they’re also great sailors

And the malignancy respected here is inappropriate ...

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: CORNET

And the malignancy respected here is inappropriate ...

Where did you see the malice? Or is it not true about writing?
I am very amazed by the fact that on the next branch they are joking with might and main over the Republic of Bashkortostan and Batka, the kakly are not at all in favor (both of them, by the way, are our closest neighbors of Slavic appearance and with Slavic roots), and the Kazakhs, suddenly, untouchable with their "ocean" flagship.

Quote: NordUral

Don't say that. We are neighbors and insulting each other is the last thing.

There were no insults, comrade, in my statement

[cniza]

Nazarbayev is well done, but no receivers can be seen and this is annoying, nationalism is also growing there and the United States is not asleep.

[Hon]

Nationalism is growing there, with 20% of the Russian population

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Hon

Nationalism is growing there, with 20% of the Russian population

I am also shocked at how such a nat could develop in 2 years. hatred kaklov to Russia!
Most likely Comrade Stalin was right when he said:
"Of all the forms of oppression currently existing, the most subtle and dangerous form -
this is national oppression. She is thin, she covers her predatory face so comfortably
the bourgeoisie. It is dangerous, it deftly removes thunder from the bourgeoisie, causing
national clashes. "
("Speech at the meeting, May 10-16, 1918, Vol. 4, p. 91.)

... the "national question" at different times serves different interests,
takes on different shades of which class and when it puts it forward.
("How Social Democracy understands the national question" vol. 1, p. 32)

[dmi.pris1]

Nationalism in Ukraine did not develop for two years. This history is long-standing, here you can recall both the son of Khmelnitsky and Mazepa and Skoropadsky and Bandera and the current fans of these corpses. Moreover, in relation to Ukraine, the majority of the middle and older population are simply offended by Russia (they closed production, because there Russian orders, Crimea waved a pen, etc.)

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

Quote: Hon

Nationalism is growing there, with 20% of the Russian population

I am also shocked at how such a nat could develop in 2 years. hatred kaklov to Russia!
Most likely Comrade Stalin was right when he said:
"Of all the forms of oppression currently existing, the most subtle and dangerous form -
this is national oppression. She is thin, she covers her predatory face so comfortably
the bourgeoisie. It is dangerous, it deftly removes thunder from the bourgeoisie, causing
national clashes. "
("Speech at the meeting, May 10-16, 1918, Vol. 4, p. 91.)

... the "national question" at different times serves different interests,
takes on different shades of which class and when it puts it forward.
("How Social Democracy understands the national question" vol. 1, p. 32)

[ty60]

Who and what was closed in Dill in 80 of the last century? I just served there.

[Hon]

In the 80s, my grandfather received LAZ Tourist in Lvov, already breathing poison, they refused to serve in the Cafe. And they watched as wolves when they laid flowers at the Kuznitsov monument.

[flay]

Quote: Hon

In the 80s, my grandfather received LAZ Tourist in Lvov, already breathing poison, they refused to serve in the Cafe. And they watched as wolves when they laid flowers at the Kuznitsov monument.

My mother is in 1984. I went "savage" to Truskavets, to the waters.
Until 1984 also visited this resort.
She lived in the private sector, with a woman raising a son, without a husband. So this woman worked in a sanatorium for vacationers, in a catering unit. As my mother told about her: - Such a good, friendly Khokhlushka. Always friendly and talkative, with a smile. And her saying was how to go to work: - Well then, I'll go feed the pigs.
At first, mother did not attach importance to what she heard. Then she asked who works at the catering department, maybe a cleaner, a worker. No, she turned out to be not a cook, but .. a cook or .. (I do not really understand these terms)
And pigs are vacationers from all over the USSR.
Mom 10 days before departure (vacation ended) and asked the hostess: - And who do you mean? So the next day, the mistress’s son, a 17-year-old guy, also stopped talking like his mother with a little house, i.e. with my mother.
Mom was forced to change the area of ​​the lodging.
And I when in 1991. in December, it’s true, I was in Kiev, also in a not big sales department I ran into ignore. in service. And demonstrative.
So in \on They haven’t loved Russians in Ukraine for a long time, just before the majority was silent, but now the authorities, on the contrary, support the trend of hatred. That's...
The result, from which for 2 years already ...
Hair stood on end and do not lie down
only under the hat))))

[Ros 56]

Quote: Hon

refused to serve in the cafe

Rarely, but it happened that there was something to hide, I myself was repeatedly in Kharkov and came across a couple of times.

[Zhar2012]

There is no nationalism in Kazakhstan as such. There is tribalism, kinship and nepotism, but where they are not. The Russians have a normal attitude, the Kazakhs even have sayings about how it is better to deal with the Russians because they are more punctual. Yes and no such as in other countries. If Russian speaks at least a little Kazakh, then in general this is a respected person. And he is provided with places.
But there is, but in Kazakhstan, the Germans speak Kazakh better, an interesting fact and they are mainly on television and in government bodies. This is a percentage of Germans more than other European nationalities.

[Bekas1967]

Nationalism is growing everywhere !!! (((Russia has enough of its Demushkins and Zhirinovs. A good person in the KZ is always happy.

[Talgat]

notice that they play Farewell to Slavyanka - as well as in Russia

I would like to note that the Kazakh army is also the heir to the Soviet and patriotic education is largely built on the traditions of the USSR and in memory of the feat of our peoples in World War II

[Kasym]

Phantom ASu. In the 70s, a Golden Warrior (one of the symbols of Kazakhstan) was found during excavations near Alma-Ata (Issyk barrows). It dates back to the 5-4th century BC .. So, in the necropolis was found a silver bowl with inscriptions. She was translated by an Azerbaijani Turkologist and provided documents at the Turkologist Congress in Moscow last year.
"The Sangla tribes sing of the four cardinal points. Three hundred who mourn the oath drink."
And as for the Kiev authorities, who are not Ukrainians by nationality, they themselves are to blame. And what are we to keep silent now when they pour mud over our common past? Odessa, Slavyansk, etc. they are not painted in any way. And Old Man, having received annual assistance, in which KZ also plays a role (Eurasian Bank), again stirs up water. We are well aware that both Ukraine and Belarus sat and are sitting on the neck of the Russian Federation. Some wanted to enter the EU on this neck, while others did not want to slam off and leave everything as it is. This is not the case.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kasym

In the 70s, a Golden Warrior was found during excavations (one of the symbols of Kazakhstan

but has nothing to do with the Kazakhs

[Kasym]

This tribe is related to the family Usyun (Senior Zhuz).
Similar writing was distributed from the Yenisei and Altai to Central Asia.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kasym

This tribe is related to the Usyun clan.

do you mean the Sakas by "this tribe"?

[Kasym]

Who cares who Usyuni was then, after all, people. claims that there was no written language. Usuni is now part of the Kazakhs.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Kasym

claims that there was no written language. Usuni is now part of the Kazakhs.

If the "advanced" nomadic tribes somewhere inherited a written language, this does not mean at all that the Kazakhs had one.
And actually, the conversation is more about literacy than about writing, although you still write your strange words in the Cyrillic alphabet.
Moreover, I will say that it makes me very cheerful when 13 out of 15 republics suddenly came up with their flags, coats of arms, ancient tribes that dug seas, built Baikonur, gave education to backward peoples, and then they conquered everyone, but these Russians are the only question that haunts you all.
Remember there is neither great power chauvinism in us, nor ridicule! At the clerk, Russians came to all of you and the doctors treated you, also Russians. You just have to admit that Russian civilization played a fundamental role for you all in a civilizational sense!
And here's a reminder for you.

try to bring something else.

[Kasym]

Can you communicate with us in another language, Phantom-AS?
For your information, the cultural layer of soil in Bukhara is 20 meters. This suggests that at least 1000 years BC people in the community already lived in Central Asia. And what role this region played in the life of the Russian Federation I think it’s not necessary to write!
Humiliating others - you cannot exalt yourself.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kasym

For your information, the cultural layer of soil in Bukhara is 20 meters. This suggests that at least 1000 years BC people in the community already lived in Central Asia.

what I like about Kazakhs is their love for anointing, don’t tell me what relation the Kazakhs have to Bukhara

[Kasym]

Vasilenko, because you lived here. I will not go back centuries. But the Uzbek Khanate arose as a result of the collapse of the Golden Horde. In your opinion, who was Sheybani-Khan (whose son and descendant)? And who ruled the Bukhara Khanate, who raised and exalted Bukhara?
Our history with the Uzbeks is so intertwined that you don’t understand who influenced anyone more.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kasym

was it according to you Sheybani-Khan (whose son and descendant)?

unambiguously Kazakh and Genghis Khan Kazakh and generally everything from the Kazakhs pledged

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Kasym

For your information, the cultural layer of soil in Bukhara is 20 meters.

So what? What does this prove? Maybe about education?
I want to bring to you the idea that enlightenment came to Sr. Asia together with the Republic of Ingushetia and the Soviet regime, and before that there was a dark and completely downtrodden people with their "babai".
Or maybe the other way around? Have you enlightened us?
Recognize the obvious, and we and you will feel better! This is the path to unification.

[Kasym]

You are deeply mistaken, Phantom-AS. Do you know who Ulugbek, Al-Farabi, Abdullah-Khan2, Avicenna Ibn Sina (his scientific heritage is still used, medicine and its preparations), etc.? That Avicenna created when Kiev really wasn’t. And why bend our fingers like a fan, we are neighbors, and therefore the influence came from both one side and the other ?! Or do you want to say that the Horde and the nomads did not play any influence on Russia? Or wasn’t that Silk and trade between us?

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Kasym

Or wasn’t that Silk and trade between us?

Notice! I am for peace between nations !!!
And a speedy reunion is my life credo!

[Kasym]

Well, why am I writing to you. Where do you see that I scornfully spoke (wrote) for the Slavs? Yesterday, the National Academy of Sciences, at its speech dedicated to MAY 1 (Day of the Unity of the Peoples of Kazakhstan), preached Ukraine (maybe tomorrow there will be an article here). Having said that there is no unity in the state, they get there. And you start to keep us for some savages. Either there was no written language, then you enlightened us and brought "light" into the dark kingdom. Why bring discord, because every nation has its own pride, its own history. And if they were able to live up to the present times, then we are worth something. And NAS has been sitting in its chair for so long, because since 93. stands for this very reunification - the people of Kazakhstan support it, that's why he is sitting. And okay, if these were just words, we see that the trend is positive. We are already 5 countries. And even distant Vietnam wants to be with us, and there are still many countries that see prospects in such a Union (take that Israel for example).

[Talgat]

Everything is well argued - I fully support Kasym

But it seems. that with such as these vasilenki and phantomas we are not on the way

I myself (see my comments) are a Soviet person and a supporter of the reunification of great Eurasia (it would be nice without the oligarchs and with the return of strategic industries back)

But when all sorts of phantoms wave the Soviet flag - they just abuse the shrine - you can’t say otherwise

[Aposlya]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

Notice! I am for peace between nations !!!
And a speedy reunion is my life credo!

You are an ordinary provocateur!

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Aposlya

You are an ordinary provocateur!

Quote: Aposlya

That's because of such idiots as you, then they look at the Russians sideways ...

I have more "sincere" words for you, only the format does not allow me to answer you with "courtesy".

And to understand yours, I’ll say that I remember Alma-Ata and I remember the hospital, and I met wonderful and friendly people there.
And we all remember the feat of the Panfilovites and the contribution of the Kazakhs to the Victory both on the fronts and in the rear, and the flowers of May 9th we will assign to the obelisks of the fallen, regardless of their nationalities.
and there is neither in me, nor in those whom I know of any hatred of either the Kazakhs, or the Georgians, or the Moldavians, and further on the list.
Do you understand that ?!
It’s just that you all suddenly became soooo national, you come up with a story for yourself, some miraculous symbols.
And if I am Russian you are ready to "look askance" at me! Only in your opinion I do not care a cardboard patriot.
And do you know at least one Kazakh who was kicked out of Russia? But I know the Russians whom you "squeezed" out of the KZ.
So first you figure it out yourself, and then teach me that I should write Russian on a Russian site !!!

[Aposlya]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

But I know the Russians whom you "squeezed" out of the KZ.

I also know them, how they composed such fairy tales to obtain the status of a "refugee", which generally became incomprehensible - either they fled from Chechnya, or from Africa!
So leave your cardboard quits yourself a dick!

[laogun]

Kasym-bola, it’s enough to cling to those ancient Iranian peoples who lived on the territory of the same Bukhara and in general in Sogdiana with Bactria. There were still no Turks there. Ibn Sina was a specific Iranian. The Kazakhs went along the same lines as the Arabs in Egypt consider themselves the descendants of the Pharaohs, although gene analysis showed that those ancients were not Arabs at all. Azerbaijanis also began to believe that they are also 5000 years old, although as a nation they formed, like the Uzbeks in the 60000th century. Ukrainians generally XNUMX years already here immediately after the Neanderthals. You all went crazy there and, most importantly, stupidly believe in all these nonsense.

[Aposlya]

You have chauvinism of the spinal cord, since you obviously don’t think it’s the head - it died out as unnecessary!

That's because of such idiots as you, then they look at the Russians sideways ...

[Glory_box]

Yeah who drove the Cyrillic alphabet to you?

[Aposlya]

So Saki is the proto-Turk. Read Menander Protector - a Byzantine diplomat (6th century AD), as he directly indicates that the Türks used to call themselves Sacae (Saki) ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

so he directly indicates that the Türks used to call themselves Sacae

do not make me laugh
Menander Protector (Dr. Greek Μένανδρος προτίκτωρ) - a Byzantine diplomat and historian of the VI century. Born in Constantinople in the middle of the VI century
Do not tell me what years the Saki dates from?
By the way, the Türks are an association by language group, and the Saks were Iranian-speaking tribes

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

do not make me laugh
Menander Protector (Dr. Greek Μένανδρος προτίκτωρ) - a Byzantine diplomat and historian of the VI century. Born in Constantinople in the middle of the VI century
Do not tell me what years the Saki dates from?
By the way, the Türks are an association by language group, and the Saks were Iranian-speaking tribes

So maybe you will provide materials at least no younger than the 6th century AD, which would say that the Saki are Persian-speaking tribes, eh? No, you can’t find, or how do you repeat the parrot after many? Read then:

I quote Menander Protector (end of the 6th century):

Henry Yule "Cathay and the Way Thither" v.1

p.206
Note viii
From the Fragments of Menander Protector (end of sixth century)

... When this second Turkish embassy arrived at the Persian court, the king, with the Persian ministers and Katulphus, came to the conclusion that it would be highly inexpedient for the Persians to enter into friendly relations with the Turks, for the whole race of the Scythians was one not to be trusted ...

... When this second Turkic embassy arrived at the Persian court, the king, together with the ministers and Katulfus, came to the conclusion that it would be extremely impractical for the Persians to enter into friendly relations with the Turks, since there is no one in the entire Scythian race who could be trusted. ..

p.207
... The Emperor when he had by aid of the interpreters read the letter, which was written in Scythian, gave a gracious reception to the embassy, ​​and then put questions to them about the government and country of the Turks ...

... The emperor (Byzantium) when he read with the help of translators this letter, which was written in Scythian, graciously accepted this embassy, ​​and then asked questions about the rule and country of the Turks ...

... Now Justin, when the Turks, who were anciently called Sacae, had sent to arrange a treaty with him, resolved to send them an embassy also ...

... Now, Justin, after the Turks, called Saka in ancient times, sent (people) to conclude an agreement with him, he also decided to send an embassy to them ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

.The emperor (Byzantium) when he read with the help of translators this letter, which was written Scythian,

Scytho-Sarmatian languages ​​- related dead languages ​​of the East Iranian subgroup of Iranian languages, common in the VIII century. BC

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Scytho-Sarmatian languages ​​- related dead languages ​​of the East Iranian subgroup of Iranian languages, common in the VIII century. BC

Did you hear them, read their inscriptions, or do you have manuals for them to say so?
I think not ... If you have not studied this issue, then you should not blindly copy-paste Wikipedia data ... The earth was also flat in the view of many ...

First find the chronicle evidence of these statements, and then we'll talk ... I found mine ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

You heard them, read their inscriptions

I understand correctly that you PERSONALLY read and translated Scythian inscriptions ?!
Do not tell me who work?

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I understand correctly that you PERSONALLY read and translated Scythian inscriptions ?!
Do not tell me who work?

Did you read what I wrote to you? Or for you the Byzantine diplomat is not in authority? Or maybe they didn’t hear about the Issyk Barrow, where the Golden Man was buried? There a bowl was found with ancient Turkic runes of the 5-4th century BC

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

You heard them, read their inscriptions

is that your phrase

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

is that your phrase

And this is yours:

Scytho-Sarmatian languages ​​- related dead languages ​​of the East Iranian subgroup of Iranian languages, common in the VIII century. to n

Try to justify your own words, give the texts of the Scythians or the annals?
I brought mine, but you just unsubscribed from the wiki ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

are you Jewish?!
I don’t refuse my words; the data are taken in open sources, but on the basis of the first question I still wanted to get answers, you read something in Scythian language PERSONALLY

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

are you Jewish?!

I don’t, but you seem to be a long time ...

Confirm your reasons!

I gave it to mine, as well as about the Saka inscription from 5-4th century AD from the Issyk barrow ...
Now it's up to you ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Once again and try not to jump PERSONALLY do you know Scythian ?!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Aposlya

Aposlya

I think the administrator will ask you to send both of you to the ban for a day. Sit-chill.

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Once again and try not to jump PERSONALLY do you know Scythian ?!

Given that the Scythians are ancient Türks, it turns out that yes ...

And you?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

Given that the Scythians are ancient Türks, it turns out that yes ..

did you read the ancient Scythian inscriptions ?!
and about the Turks, besides your link to the quote, is there anything else?

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

did you read the ancient Scythian inscriptions ?!
and about the Turks, besides your link to the quote, is there anything else?

We have a lot of things!

Al-Khvarezmi (IX century) wrote: "Scythia is a country of the Türks, a country of Askishis or Toguzoguz."

So, in the letter of the Italian Albert Kampense to Pope Clement VII, written in 1523 or 1524, it says: "The Scythians, now called the Tatars, are nomadic people and have long been famous for their warlike character."

In the middle of the sixteenth century, the Venetian ambassador Marco Foscarino, in his Report on Muscovy, describing the peoples surrounding Muscovy, noted: "To the east live the Scythians, who are now called the Tatars; you will learn about their character, like all other peoples, below."
And further: "To the east of the Volki River, vast deserts and plains populated by the Scythians, that is, the Tatars and Amaxobii (Amaxobii), stretch."

Michalon Litwin wrote in 1550: "Although the Tatars (tartari) are considered barbarians and savages in our country, they, however, boast of the moderation of life and antiquity of their Scythian tribe, claiming that it comes from the seed of Abraham, and they have never been to anyone slavery, although sometimes they were defeated by Alexander, Darius, Cyrus, Xerxes and other kings and more powerful peoples. "

The envoy of the English queen Giles Fletcher, describing the Crimean Tatars, noted in 1591: "This is the same people that the Greeks and Romans sometimes called Scythians nomads, or Scythians shepherds."

The French captain Jacques Margeret in 1607 published a book about Muscovy. There he wrote: "The word" Scythians "is still called the Tatars, who were formerly rulers of Russia ..."

In the Kiev synopsis, first published in 1674, it says: "Savromania, or Sarmacia, the country is all in the same Europe, the third part of the world, the lot of Afetov, both of which are purely one: Scythian, and now Scythians or Tatars .."

The Czech Jesuit Jiri David in 1690 noted: "There is no doubt that the Scythians and Sarmatians, some of whom later became known as Tatars, called their rulers, who were at the head of the horde (something like a tribe), nothing other than" sar "."

Source of quote: Drozdov Yu. N. book: Turkic-speaking period of European history
This book has many quotes from various ancient and medieval sources.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

well pronounced Turkic text

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

well pronounced Turkic text

Greek coin? And what does it have to do with Scythian Sakas?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

Greek coin?

Scythian

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Scythian

You would first read about it ... These coins were issued by the Greek policies of the Black Sea region under the guise of coins of the Scythian king Atey ... There, even on the coin in Greek letters is written "Atey" ... Or will you assert that the Scythians are Greeks ?!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

how do you want the Scythians to speak Kazakh

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

how do you want the Scythians to speak Kazakh

You still want to make nomads out of the Persians, while not having any facts about it, and indeed not understanding this issue at all.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

what a Kazakh face

[Aposlya]

Not all Turks are Kazakhs, but all Kazakhs are Turks.

[Aposlya]

By the way, didn’t you yourself notice that your picture is not a Scythian woman, but a Greek? The Greek profile, the Greek tiara on the head, as if hinting that in the Scythian mounds in Ukraine there may be products of Greek masters! You could have guessed ...

[Talgat]

Scythians - Saks of Iranian blood - this is recognized by the "official history" - they are not Turks - in this Vasilenko is right

But the Kazakhs have not only Altai Turkic blood of the Huns and Kipchaks

For example, the Sunak kind and skin of Arab origin came to us from the outside as distributors of Islam, as they write now.

The peoples of Iranian blood who lived here also did not fly anywhere and did not move - they live here. entering part of the Kazakh clans, mingling with the Turkic steppes

In general, this is a purely academic debate on historical issues - do not go over to individuals and nationalities.

Vasilenko clearly has an incomprehensible hostility towards the Kazakhs and Kazakhstan

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and by the way, you don’t know that this is Scythian gold

Quote: Aposlya

in Scythian mounds in Ukraine there may be products of Greek masters! You could have guessed ...

or maybe you just don’t need to attract Scythians to the Kazakhs

[Pig]

"" Dates back to the 5th-4th century BC .. ""
tales about the ancient Trypillians, the Kazakh version ...
at that time there lived Saks who have nothing to do with the Kazakhs

[Aposlya]

Quote: Pig

"Dates back to the 5th-4th century BC." "
tales about the ancient Trypillians, the Kazakh version ...
at that time there lived Saks who have nothing to do with the Kazakhs

Actually, Saki is the ancient Türks, but the Türks are the ancestors of the Kazakhs, and all Kazakhs are the Türks ...
Has the meaning reached?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Bekas1967

Russia has enough of its Demushkins and Zhirinovs. And a good person in the KZ is always welcome.

if in Russia on the website they write a call to murder on the basis of nationality, then a criminal case will be opened, and in the Republic of Kazakhstan this is not even scratched by anyone

[Kasym]

In the Republic of Kazakhstan, this is also an article. Even an insult on national, religious or linguistic grounds. Even if you contacted in Russian and the bureaucrats answered you in Kazakh - they kicked out the bureaucrat - the prosecutors have been given the task of monitoring this.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

let's not, I can safely say that nothing will happen to anyone, I turned to the prosecutor general’s office of the Republic of Kazakhstan in connection with regular calls to kill Russians on the website of Altynord, to put it mildly, they sent me and the resource is still working and comes out with the support of the President’s office

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I turned to the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Republic of Kazakhstan in connection with regular calls to kill Russians on the website of Altinord

Are you living in the Russian Federation contacted the prosecutor's office of the KZ? In dreams wrong ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I turned to the prosecutor’s office last year, your sarcasm is stupid

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I turned to the prosecutor’s office last year, your sarcasm is stupid

You live in Russia, how did you contact the Prosecutor's Office of the KZ? By email or what?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

you have already shown your stupidity in all its glory, you will be surprised but you can really communicate with official structures these days and via the Internet, wrote PERSONALLY to the Prosecutor General and even received an answer

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

listen to the Kazakhs, I understand everything, but with these minuses you only put yourself in an idiotic position, I really wrote to the Prosecutor General of the Republic of Kazakhstan

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

listen to the Kazakhs, I understand everything, but with these minuses you only put yourself in an idiotic position, I really wrote to the Prosecutor General of the Republic of Kazakhstan

Listen crest, we need you to minus you ...

You can write to the Prosecutor’s Office anything, just as anything can answer you too! Those. just unsubscribe! You try sitting in your Kaliningrad to turn to the prosecutor’s office, say New York or Lisbon and demand something there ... Will you tell the result or will you guess it yourself?

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I'm tired of it already, if if the prosecutor’s office declares a response to a criminal offense, this is an excellent indicator, by the way, you can contact the law enforcement bodies of the Russian Federation from anywhere in the world and the application will be accepted for consideration

Yah?!! You’ll go down to real ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

Yah?!! You’ll go down to real ...

here you are and yes, well, you’re just used to the fact that you have a buy mode and you don’t know how it should be

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

here you are and yes, well, you’re just used to the fact that you have a buy mode and you don’t know how it should be

You will poke your goats!
And you have it so democratic, just the beacon of liberalism!
No, well, I would understand if you yourself had everything in openwork, otherwise you’ll be head over heels in the same instance and the same as the Americans, now you will teach everyone around life.
The fact that you live in some kind of virtual has been clear to everyone for a long time. The fact that the prosecutor’s office will initiate something there only according to your Wishlist is already out of the realm of fantasy! It shouldn't be like that - there is such a thing as "protection from a fool", which is why no one will spend taxpayers' money to satisfy the requests of someone who is not clear and why ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

The fact that the prosecutor’s office there will excite something only by your wish, it’s already from the realm of fantasy!

the prosecutor’s office excites not on a whim, but on the fact of committing, well, you still on the fact of family ties

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

the prosecutor’s office excites not on a whim, but on the fact of committing, well, you still on the fact of family ties

It means that they did not see the "fact" as such! Although knowing you, I doubt any fact at all as such ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

saw and even wrote it in a reply letter

[alexej123]

"Dear", for "virtual life in Russia" has already been heard many times from "non-brothers". Are you one of them? Then this site is not for you. Before nodding to others - it's worth looking at yourself, how things are going with "propaganda" in your country, how many years (in terms of the number of years) ONE PERSON has been in power in your country - IS IMPOSSIBLE. Just compare with Russia, and then you can accuse of "zombie".

[Platonich]

Yes, soon and from there the Russians will be sent to their historical homeland!

[dmi.pris1]

Well, firstly, in the territory of present Kazakhstan there were khanates. Secondly, there was written language, literate people wrote in Arabic.

[73bor]

The territory of present-day Kazakhstan was divided into ZHUZY (junior, middle, senior) Kazakhs never settled down and the main occupation was horse-breeding and horse-stealing, and Arabic script for Kazakhs was like Chinese letter, and Abai Kunanbayev turned out to be the only literate!

[Aposlya]

Quote: dmi.pris

Well, firstly, in the territory of present Kazakhstan there were khanates. Secondly, there was written language, literate people wrote in Arabic.

No, not in Arabic, but in "Chagatay Türks" - Chagatai writing - a revised Arabic script into the Turkic phoneme, adopted after the adoption of Islam ...

[KaPToC]

Ships of the first rank will die out like dinosaurs.
There is such an addiction, you must have heard about the competition of the sword and shield, shell and armor.
While the armor exceeded the shells, the ships were built as large and protected as possible, in our time, when the shell has long surpassed the armor, ships should be built as little as possible, based on the necessary seaworthiness and the need to place certain equipment and weapons. Several small ships are better than one large

[PN]

The larger the ship, the longer it sinks. So all these disputes about big and small are all at the level of philosophical judgments. Now protection is determined not only by the thickness of the armor.

[KaPToC]

Roughly speaking, one battleship sinks longer than one corvette. And for example, one battleship drowns longer than twenty-five corvettes, or ten frigates?
One aircraft carrier in terms of displacement and price is like twenty-five frigates such as Gorshkov, fifty Stereguschih or one hundred RTOs.
Will fifty Hornets be able to push through air defense of twenty-five frigates? I'm not talking about the return volley of anti-ship missiles.
And if an aircraft carrier drowns from four to ten (approximately) hits, then frigates must be drowned individually, twenty-five hits, corvettes - fifty hits, RTOs a hundred hits!
What did you say there about combat stability?

[Yegorchik]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

Where did you see the malice?

That is precisely that malice, which is not covered by anything, is already oozing between the lines, as the marasmatics like you have already got, because Kazakh nationalism is popular among young people precisely thanks to the constant jokes on the Internet, you are trying to belittle others like damages, although what exactly did you invent Russian dependence on? Why are you so proud of this? He fumbled into a puddle and sits somewhere in the depths of Russia, satisfied, but the Russians live here and they have no place to blame them in Russia, more than one dog is waiting for them. you're all shit. "

[EvgNik]

I understand you Igor and support the fact that Russians are poorly received in Russia. And there was more than one conversation about this at VO. But it is not necessary to be rude, however. Does not add credibility. Calmer.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Egorchik

because Kazakh nationalism among youth is popular precisely because of the constant jabbering on the Internet

nationalism is cultivated even without this, although "jokes" also blow on this "mill"

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Egorchik

trying to belittle others like you

I’m not going to stoop to your rudeness, and moreover, I have nothing to justify before you.
You understood my post, as you saw fit, this is your problem.

[Ivan Ivanov]

"popular precisely because of the constant jokes on the Internet" (c) So the Ukrainians say, if it were not your jokes, there would be a beetle hero, and now, forgive me - Bandera. Nationalism is the result of long work at all levels, starting with an inverted history. Jokes are more likely a reaction to injustice

[Zymran]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

Where did you see the malice? Or is it not true about writing?

Of course not. Arabic writing existed before the revolution.

[samoletil18]

If it is true that writing in Kazakhstan is the same age as the Soviet regime, then its own shipbuilding puts this nation in the category of the most talented. For my part, this is not sarcasm, but a statement.

[PHANTOM-AS]

[quote = samoletil18], then its own shipbuilding puts this nation in the category of the most talented. [/ Quote Well, yes, they are also aircraft manufacturers! There is something in Karaganda (also, by the way, Kzakhstan ) muddied on the topic of light aviation on Kazan projects.
One word, talents, only completely wild, before the dispersal of the Basmachi of the Red Army and the introduction of total literacy.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Zymran

Arabic writing existed before the revolution.

What did they write on? on the rocks or what? and the pen, as usual, was dipped in koumiss, like cryptography? Enough of this nonsense! I have been in the CP of Asia for a long time and if you begin to deny that even in the mid-80s the population was over-enlightened, in the sense of literacy, then I will laugh with you.

[Aposlya]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

What did they write on? on the rocks or what? and the pen, as usual, was dipped in koumiss, like cryptography? Enough of this nonsense!

Did you accidentally drop you on the floor in childhood?

[mAgs]

what did you say you wrote? Check out the word "pencil".

[NordUral]

Don't say that. We are neighbors and insulting each other is the last thing.

[aba]

And the coolest thing is that their writing is exactly the same age as the Soviet regime.

So it is based on the Cyrillic alphabet, and before that, the Kazakhs, and in general in Central Asia, used the Arabic alphabet.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: aba

So it is based on the Cyrillic alphabet, and before that, the Kazakhs, and in general in Central Asia, used the Arabic alphabet.

Thank you, of course, there was a joke at one time, the mareman told me:
Cadet (Azerbaijani) on watch. Captain:
- How many on our rumba?
- Adyn, I'm on the rumba!
- Yeharli Baban, which course?
- Fifth year, Baku sailor!

[Bekas1967]

Do not kindle, you can burn ... look what happened in Ukraine ...

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Bekas1967

Do not kindle, you can burn.

And you face m / y with humor and kindling understand?
Of course, I am infinitely happy and proud of the Navy of Kazakhstan and the launching of the border boat into the water, caused me unbridled delight!
Do you know such a joke?
Grandfather, grandmother and grandson dine. Suddenly the grandson asks his grandfather:
“Grandfather, what was your captain when you were young?” I always
forget the name .... either "Prostitute" or "Courtesan"?
Grandfather:
“Who told you that?”
Grandson:
- Grandma.
Grandfather took a spoon and how he would give a grandma on the forehead ...
- How many times have I told you ... "NO-FROM-KAZ-NYY" ship, "FAILURE-FREE" !!!

[dmi.pris1]

Yes, the way is so! But they don’t jump on the Maidan, they work and live without digging to anyone ..

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: dmi.pris

But they don’t jump on the Maidan, they work and live without digging to anyone ..

funny, there is no Maidan while nazik is afraid for his skin and grandmother, but nazik is already aged, but what will happen after

[Hon]

But it turned out to be smarter than us when the Union collapsed, the reforms were carried out normally, without Gaidar and Chubais

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Hon

normal reforms carried out, without Gaidar and Chubais

were you in RK ?!
they saw the reforms ?!

[Hon]

My relatives live there, not by the way poor relatives, much better than ours. They did not have shock therapy, but normal phased reforms. As a result of our reforms, a default occurred in 98 and they adopted a strategy for 2030

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Hon

My relatives live there,

and I was born there and lived 38 years

Quote: Hon

, much better than we live.

well, the salary of a practicing surgeon in alma-ata is 200 bucks

Quote: Hon

They did not have shock therapy, but normal phased reforms.

Quote: Hon

They did not have shock therapy, but normal phased reforms.

What are you?

Quote: Hon

As a result of our reforms, a default occurred in 98 and they adopted a strategy for 2030

Well, don’t write why you don’t know, the same collapse was the same as in the Russian Federation, but communism promised about strategies

[Platonich]

So Nazarbayev became the first to separate from the USSR!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

well, not quite so, in truth, for the first time, there was a drunk so that he had enough oil in this world

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

well, not really, in truth, the first was a drunk

Borya was not the first, the Balts were the first to jump off, but the "Belovezhskaya Agreements" will be remembered for a long time!

[Aposlya]

Quote: Platonitch

So Nazarbayev became the first to separate from the USSR!

What nonsense ?!

The Balts were the first, then others fell. On June 12, 1990, Russia declared sovereignty. But Kazakhstan proclaimed independence on October 25, 1990, and left the Soviet Union the very last, December 16, 1991.

[Bekas1967]

The coolest thing is how you distort your native language ...

[kush62]

PHANTOM-AS (3) Today, 11:22 ↑
Quote: avvg
Well done, Kazakhs, did not drink the legacy of the Soviet Union.

Yeah, now the great sailors have become great. And the coolest thing is that their writing is exactly the same age as the Soviet regime.

And what's cool, do not explain?

[Hagalaz]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

Quote: avvg

Well done, Kazakhs, did not drink the legacy of the Soviet Union.

Yeah, now they’re also great sailors

This is the meaning and form of this phrase and is called yekhdstvo. Just like your dismissive statement about "theirs" writing, it is also purely an act of speech, and it has nothing to do with the topic of the article.
Well, the Kazakhs built a ship, and so what? Fine. It happens that when we have a tugboat launched into the water, they write a lot of enthusiasm and don’t remember about Slavic writing at all.

[Max_Bauder]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

And the coolest thing is that their writing is exactly the same age as the Soviet regime.

and whose numbers do you use? Roman?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Max_Bauder

Roman?

not Kazakh

[Aposlya]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

And the coolest thing is that their writing is exactly the same age as the Soviet regime.

Our writing was before BC. existed, unlike yours: the ancient Turkic runes, they just don’t teach you this - it is not necessary for the USE ...

[Forget]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

And the coolest thing is that their writing is exactly the same age as the Soviet regime.

Before the Cyrillic alphabet, the Kazakhs had the Arabic alphabet ...

[Zhar2012]

So what. And you know the feeder. That in Kazakhstan they introduced the Cyrillic alphabet with the advent of Soviet power. Prior to this, they wrote in Arabic connection, and then at the beginning of the 20th century they switched to the Latin alphabet. So nothing funny. With the advent of Soviet power, everything was unified and writing became more understandable to everyone and convenient.

[Talgat 148]

Before Cyrillic, we had Latin! )))

[Zhar2012]

I am wildly sorry, there is a typo in the word "feeder", or anything bad or offensive. That was the word joker. I apologize again.

[Juborg]

Apparently an error in the header? How Kazakh shipbuilders could launch a ship at the Zenit Ural Plant. Or the Urals, is it Kazakhstan or is itAdministration should periodically read what is laid out.

[Thunderbolt]

The city of Uralsk (on the Ural River) is Kazakhstan. There Chapay drowned nearby, good places, I was there.

[kuz363]

Chapaev died in the Ural River near the village of Lbischenskaya. Now called Chapaevo. There is a Chapaev museum there, but unfortunately I was not able to visit there. Near the museum stands a monument to Chapaev. He seems to have died on September 5th. So they say that in memory of this, local boys that day gather on the banks of the Urals and try to cross the river at the place of death of the divisional commander in order to repeat his path. But not everyone succeeds. Strong current in the river, and the water is already cold.

[dmi.pris1]

Are you a victim of the exam? Take a look at the map, and don’t confuse the mountains and the river.

Quote: juborg

Apparently an error in the header? How Kazakh shipbuilders could launch a ship at the Zenit Ural Plant. Or the Urals, is it Kazakhstan or is itAdministration should periodically read what is laid out.

[Bekas1967]

And they sold and drank! ((((A lot of things after the collapse of the union .... As elsewhere, in principle (((

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: avvg

did not "sell" or "drink" the legacy of the Soviet Union

and sold and drank
another question, what they know how to put dust in their eyes, this is a national trait, with a hole in the pants, but there should be a crowd of "generals" at the wedding

[Kasym]

During the first five-year period of industrialization, 900 new enterprises were built in the KZ (this year another 100 are promised). The range of new products manufactured in the Republic of Kazakhstan increased by 500 units. Infarmation was made public last week.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

to remind you once again of how you shouted about the buildings of your own armored personnel carrier ?!
or maybe about how instead of a robotics plant in Almaty a flea market was built, and instead of a radio factory, a shopping center was built, instead of a knitwear, a business center.
let's not be, I was spinning inside this "advertisement" and I know what was built instead of what and what happened in the end

[Kasym]

Well, yes, advertising - in the meantime, Kazakhstan’s GDP has doubled that of Ukraine.
It’s interesting how you could save that radio factory if you had components in other republics — what currency would you buy for, if it didn’t exist at all !? . It is obvious! And where would products be sold if Japanese, Korean and European manufacturers entered the market - could they compete !? That is, even if they sold inside Kazakhstan for tenge, where would they take the currency for the purchase of component parts !? The same with your stockings - all the threads were produced abroad. They would take a thread for dollars, but would sell it in tenge, because abroad clearly not competitive products - then I think you should not lay out the economy. Take for example Belarusians (their tights), without our markets it will simply bend. The same robotics - you write as if from another planet have arrived. Where to sell it - I understand the Russian Federation, when you have developed industry. And where will you sell these robots in the Republic of Kazakhstan, and you still need a currency for components - and where to get it !? Etc..
And if you look at our economy, then entire industries are raised: for railway rolling stock and locomotives, even engines began to be assembled; or the construction industry for example.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kasym

It’s interesting how you could save that radio factory if you had components in other republics — what currency would you buy for, if it didn’t exist at all !?

Twist yourself, as it really makes sense, the radio plant was dismantled in 2006, before he somehow tried to survive but the place was painfully tasty
and as for components and currency, as I understand it, you have nothing to do with production

Quote: Kasym

It is obvious! And where would the products be sold if the Japanese entered the market

and now attention to the stage, ta daaaaaa, on the basis of the radio factory Nazik opened a factory for the production of television sets and even the first one was released, there were also victorious slogans, etc. it's about 900 open enterprises

Quote: Kasym

The same with your stockings - all the threads were produced abroad.

better be silent you will look smarter, in Alma-Ata on the streets of Pasteur there was a spinning mill by the way which was also closed and converted into a business center and then burned

They would take a thread for dollars, but would sell it in tenge, because abroad clearly not competitive products - then I think you should not lay out the economy.

it’s really not worth it, you don’t understand a damn thing about it, I don’t know the concept of currency exchange and conversion, in the Republic of Kazakhstan I was engaged in the production of promotional products, all products were produced on foreign raw materials and what was funny was sold for tenge

Take for example Belarusians (their tights), without our markets it will simply bend

I already wrote that you are stupid?
that is, it turns out that it is profitable for Belarusians to buy raw materials for currency and bring them to the Republic of Kazakhstan for sale, and it is profitable to produce these same tights in Shymkent ?!
no desire to stand at the mirror and twist a finger at the temple?

[Kasym]

How would you be able to keep the plant afloat in the place of the owner of the plant if it had not worked for a couple of years? No currency - no raw materials. They forgot that it was not there at all for about a year (the first year of independence), I'm not talking about loans (wait, now he will repay the loan and I will give you). People began to disperse, resulting in losses and personnel. I don’t hope to write further?
What plant are you writing about? I am writing about kapron, which was not produced in the Republic of Kazakhstan. And in Chimkent, for your information, a whole cluster is already working on textiles.
Or can you be reminded of how the merchants went to the loss of 15-20% of the amount just to convert money? And such situevina not a single month. continued - for about a year it was simply impossible to convert money.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kasym

How would you be able to keep the plant afloat in the place of the owner of the plant if it had not worked for a couple of years?

Kasymchik, for Christ's sake keep silent, you are so off topic that you are carrying a naked snowstorm
I can give you a lot of examples when the WORKERS closed the production just for the sake of using it from the building, the radio engineering was closed again after the Nazik yelled about the launch of Kazakh TV
about the production enterprises of the light industry in general the cinema they all worked until the earthenware started selling equipment (new) for cardon mainly to Turkey and the Arabs
you don’t understand what you are writing about, therefore it’s better to quietly step aside or you’ll sit in a puddle again
could not resist, lastly I’ll dunk you again

Take for example Belarusians (their tights), without our markets it will simply bend

this is YOUR statement, that is, Belarusians were able to save, but you do not

[Kasym]

Instead of AHBK, only three or four years ago a shopping center was opened - the ADK is called. There was no money to rebuild. That factory Zhetysu also five years ago. Below Zhetysu, the factory, according to K. Marx (now Kunaev), was rebuilt last year (the Central Department Store is called). So what are we talking about?
I asked you for the maintenance of these factories and plants - as a year or two (and this situation with the currency was not a single year, because in 1996 I took a loan and could not convert; in 1998 I took money in foreign currency, and then a whole month I ran to buy dollars, to give-default in the Russian Federation) to contain an object (factory, factory), if there is no way to work, you are our economist - and who is the blizzard !?
Now LG is working instead of a radio engineering plant, and not only assembly of products. So all this has long been "replaced". Regarding the Belarusians. Their market was open (unlike us), and ours 13-14 mil. just would not have digested such production - here's an explanation for you, three months. work, and then stand a year. And we must look where this nylon was produced - not here for sure. EBN did not even allow ordinary people to cross the border normally by rail. So what are we talking about? So who's carrying the blizzard here and who needs to twist at the temple?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kasym

I asked you for the maintenance of these factories and plants

what do you mean by content?

Quote: Kasym

That factory Zhetysu also five years ago. Below Zhetysu, the factory, according to K. Marx (now Kunaev), was rebuilt last year (the Central Department Store is called). So what are we talking about?

what I mean, I can’t understand at all

Quote: Kasym

in 1998 I took money in foreign currency, and then ran for a month to buy dollars, to give it a default in the Russian Federation) to maintain an object (factory, factory), if it is not possible to work, you are our economist - and who is the blizzard !?

judging by the text you who ran, where does this have anything to do with production, which ?!

Quote: Kasym

Now, instead of the radio factory, LG is working

instead of a radio engineering plant, a SHOPPING CENTER is now

Quote: Kasym

and our 13-14 mil. just would not have digested such a production - here are the explanations for you, three months. work, and then stand for a year.

it turns out nazik, since he sang praises at the opening of the TV factory ?!

Quote: Kasym

So who is carrying the blizzard and who needs to twist at the temple?

you are "respected", you did not write anything in the subject, and even got into a puddle again, and I warned you

[Kasym]

Would you be the owner, would you sell equipment if it made a profit? Hardly. And Russian "agashki" are no better than ours - how many factories in the Russian Federation are still standing or sold out !? A Moskvich alone with its squares is worth what - where is he now - so think about it ?! Try to release Moskvich-412 now and what will be the demand? Where is the Volga? And where are the Yak and Tu planes?
So not everything is as simple as you write.
But I consider Kasymchik to be an insult.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kasym

Would you be the owner, would sell equipment if it was profitable?

it all depends on the goals and objectives of the "owner" if the renting of the area gives more money today and less hemorrhoids, despite the fact that the "owner" is an ordinary huckster or bureaucrat who does not understand a damn thing about production, then he will definitely sell, by the way, this is exactly what happened with the ATTO named after Dzerzhinsky when the owner of the retail chain smat bought it

Quote: Kasym

Try to release Moskvich-412 now and what will be the demand?

At one time, this car was a role model, and what relation it has to this issue is not clear, about carcasses it’s rare tupism

ps when you write that at least study this topic about the ADK (Alma-Ata House-Building Plant) on the site of the AHBK there was built an armada shopping center
instead of a bouvou factory, a Zhetysu bank was placed if I remember Turkish correctly, and not the Central Department Store (TSUM), you heard a bell and did not understand what, the Zhetysu (hotel) is really against the Central Department Store

[Kasym]

I just know the topic and I know one such owner. Confused with whom does not happen. But the fact remains - they began to rebuild en masse ten years ago, not earlier. Zhetysu, there are offices, one building on Pasteur Bank of China, the Central Department Store instead of the garment factory on K. Marx and Mametov (there he rented a room in 301 rooms and in the basement).
That's exactly what they did not understand. Where are the Tu-204 and Tu-304 - someone is lobbying heavily so that they do not stand on the wing (and this is a betrayal of state interests). Moskvich just now will not go on the market - too outdated. But no one is engaged, and you write about our ownerlessness - it’s better to look for a log in your own eye. And why blame us for something if you have the same situation. Or maybe better?

[Kasym]

By the way, this is where I rented premises (now the TSUM shopping center), where production shrank to one 3 floors of one wing of this building. 20 people left. They only sewed overalls. And what would you do in his place? After all, he has to pay the tax on the land and maintain the building - the man simply didn’t pay the expenses - that’s all. At first I started renting out. And then he moved the sewing shop, and instead of the factory opened a trading house - and where did you see the "betrayal" here !? It opened a couple of years ago.

[Kasym]

Or here’s a very recent example. My younger son-in-law with a partner bought a confectionery factory in RK a couple of years ago. We agreed to be included in one of the investment programs (Roadmap 2020, Small and Medium Business Development, etc.) with the Ministry of Economy. Bought and wanted to upgrade, but min. Stop economy has written out (no money). Now they don’t know what to do. The equipment is old, the assortment and quality cannot be raised without modernization. And they do not want to take a loan at a bank at high interest rates, with a short period and without a preferential regime (they do not want to wait until they bring and launch new equipment). He says that in a couple of years the factory will just rise - what would you do in its place !?
As you can see, even after more than 20 years, there are problems with loans. Long-term money is needed for production workers and under good conditions. And they are not even now, and it is difficult to imagine what problems the owners faced more than 20 years ago. And then there were problems with the payment of salaries and pensions from the state, what to think about these businessmen !? It is clear that they were looking for benefits and did not want to wait. And it is clear that the state was getting rid of any assets that were a yoke at that time. And as Kasyanov says: "They took it for 5 kopecks, and sold it for 5 rubles." As you can see, this situation was everywhere in the post-Soviet space. The one who was closer to the body got it. So there is no need to blame one RK for this state of affairs, Vasilenko - in the Russian Federation there was exactly such a situation.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kasym

TsUM instead of the sewing factory on K.Marx and Mametov

It’s no longer interesting for you, you don’t know the topic and you are trying to prove a comb, the Central Department Store was built when you weren’t in the project

Quote: Kasym

Where are the Tu-204 and Tu-304 - someone is lobbying heavily so that they do not stand on the wing

with Rosaviatsie the question is just understandable and, unlike you, I don’t hit the head on the asphalt, proving that everything is wonderful and beautiful

Quote: Kasym

Moskvich just now will not go on the market - too outdated.

what is the connection with the closure of for example May Day, Gagarin or Dzerzhinka? !!!

Quote: Kasym

And why blame us for something if you have the same situation. Or maybe better?

by the way, you’ll be surprised, but in places it’s much better why I can’t say
By the way about the accusation, they do not blame you, but it infuriates you when you start talking about non-existent successes and are also taught how to work

[Kasym]

Oh my God, not TSUM, but GUM at the crossroads of Mametov and K. Marx. I agree that I messed up with objects.
And who writes here that everything is wonderful. It’s you who raised the topic of old objects, and I’m trying to explain that in those conditions they would hardly have survived — the situation is similar to the Russian one. What are we der.mo that all sold out and closed. And you begin to put the matter in such a way that this situation has developed only in the Republic of Kazakhstan and have begun to lay out examples. I did likewise - no matter what.
And whoever teaches you how to work, I laid out the facts that the government made public - no more. What is it to be furious? As for the construction industry and the railway is also true. Or we did not build 2,5t. km w / d, did not start producing cars, gondola cars, grain carriers, etc., do not start high-speed trains not only Astana-Alma-Ata (by the way, Talgo also began to collect and begins to master new routes)? Or did we have a car assembly? Now there is already an assembly and new plans - and why should we sprinkle ashes on our heads !?
We are buying up gold, as the foreign press writes for 42 months. in a row - it means we earn something. Gold reserves, it went down from 105 to 92 billion, but more per capita than the Russian Federation and other CIS countries. The roads out of which they appeared - I recently went to Taldy-Kurgan, it’s just a wonderful road, the readiness is about 90%, they will finish this year. There are also enough problems - they are practically the same as in the Russian Federation. So why criticize for what you yourself have in abundance. And what did I write that it does not exist (success)?
The connection is such that it also does not work and is likely to sell as well as other objects. Why is it closed and not working?
Here's an example of corruption. We already have prime ministers (Akhmetov, 10 years old), not even ministers and governors are sent to jail. You have not seen this yet. The trend seems to be positive, which is what I wish for you.
And notice, on the neck, like Ukraine and Belarus, nobody was sitting. Do not walk with outstretched hand. And this means that they achieved what, and not only sat on the Soviet heritage. And we were able to build that boat (boat) ourselves, not without your understandable help, but we are building it.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kasym

Oh my God, not TSUM, but GUM at the crossroads of Mametov and K. Marx. I agree that I messed up with objects

don't you think this is funny?
each time you confuse names and addresses

Quote: Kasym

and I’m trying to explain that in those conditions they would hardly have survived - the situation is similar to the Russian one.

I’m tired, explain to you and poke you into your own mistakes, you refer to the Belarusians who survived and sell you, but you immediately declare that under these conditions it was not feasible, the enterprises were destroyed and not closed for economic reasons
do not get into a dispute over a topic in which you don’t understand anything at all

Quote: Kasym

We already have prime ministers (Akhmetov, 10 years old), not even ministers and governors are sent to jail. You have not seen this yet.

they plant you not for economic crimes, but because they raised their tail to dad, do you know who owns VDNH in Alma-Ata?
but how at one time and in connection with what they sold the caravan ?!

[Kasym]

Yes, I already wrote that I was mistaken with the names. Because new ones especially do not take root for me. Dostyk-Lenin, Tole-bi - Komsomolskaya, etc. I use the old names. So this is probably the reason.
Here is the important thing for any production:
1. Working capital. As a rule, these are long loans.
Where to get them? Forgot how BUTYA (Bulat Abilov) wanted to buy CARMET, but he was not given and why? "He would have collected all the money from our banks and privatized the plant. But why would he modernize the plant, where would he take working capital and set up a sales market? Yes, he could take a loan abroad, but only under government guarantees. But why then privatize it if it again falls on the shoulders of the country! That is why we need a foreign investor who could use his own resources to pull the entire plant. "- Nazarbayev. What to say about other enterprises is a trifle in comparison with this combine, where tens of thousands of Kazakhstanis worked. I hope it is clear on this example I explained everything about finance.
2. The market. Once again about Belarus, if you read non-memorable. So Belarus had access to growing. The market, and therefore, could preserve its industry, in which Russia was very interested - the Union State, etc. If you sent them away, now their economy would be completely different. At least, and that’s for sure THAT MOST ENTERPRISES WOULD BE SOLD OUT. Where would he shove his tractors and stockings? He was able to maintain socialism, because sat on the neck of Russia. Now look at our enterprises, where they sell products, if from the Soviet market at 250 mil. stayed at 14 mil ..
3. Competition. How can that Zhetysu shoe factory compete when any products flow here? From Italy to China, any price range. In order to survive, Zhetysu would have to have a minimum of equipment modernization and better raw materials (YOU know this very well) - where to get the money for (I’m sure that no one would give you money on bail even of these enterprises - there weren’t such long ones in Kazakhstan -it is a fact). Have you forgotten how Alma-Ata sat without light and gas?
Is it all not for economic reasons? This I am not writing about non-payments, and how the EBN was thrown out of the ruble zone. And, vdadik, "do not get involved in an argument on a topic in which you do not understand anything" - this is for you.
Not the tail lifted Akhmetov - where to him before the PAPA - and stole. It is proved by the court and recognized by it. What do you write nonsense? Yes, I wanted to spit who owns this or that object - what does this have to do with the discussion !? As in the Russian Federation, those who are closer to the body earned money (you don’t have enough of such people to spin near the authorities). Look at how your money is being transferred to offshore - this is no longer in Kazakhstan - this is what it says.
I’m just sure if that Zhetysu would fall into your hands, Vladik, you would “kill” the enterprise even faster and rush to the West.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

I thought that "jelly shores" were waiting for him in Russia, but no ... So the clown is angry! winked

how your stupidity tired, what malice, in the fact that in your stupidity I poke you with my face and poke, somehow about your "but no" already, too, some of you poked a muzzle into excrement

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

somehow about your "but no" already, too, some of you poked a muzzle into excrement

In dreams or what? Although yes, you are an expert on your excrement!

[kuz363]

By the way, there is no information about the satellite manufacturing enterprise in Astana. All the old links and promises of delivery in 2012, 2014, 2015. So did they build it or not? And then many enterprises have ceased to exist, without waiting for the release of products. For example, the aircraft factory in Karaganda or the factory for the assembly of tablets and televisions in Aktau

[Aposlya]

Quote: kuz363

By the way, there is no information about the satellite manufacturing enterprise in Astana

Most likely, it died out after the Russians deceived with the construction of Baiterek on Baikonur ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

after the Russians cheated

and what for ?!

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and what for ?!

What about yourself? If the money is paid, then by yourself? Ay garage !!!

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

that they can throw dust in their eyes, this is a national trait, with a hole in their pants

This is your character trait everywhere about Kazakhs, any nonsense to write - a sort of papabol! Looks like they lived here above the sheep shepherd in the village they could not rise, but as they washed off in the Russian Federation, they became the goat herd shepherd! Career however!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

Looks like they lived here above the shepherd sheep in the village could not rise,

stupid ?!
I lived in Alma-Ata, graduated from university, in 95 I was deputy director of a private printing house with 98 I ran my own company until I left Kazakhstan

Quote: Aposlya

and as they washed off in the Russian Federation, they became a goat herder! Career however!

, I’m raising goats and I don’t see anything wrong with that, moreover, when I left I immediately planned to live and work on the land and looked for the house so that I could own the land, by the way you just humiliated ALL Kazakhs because it was sheep breeding and was your main occupation, but since it turns out to be worthy of a person in your eyes ...
and about the conditions so I think my living conditions are better than yours

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and about the conditions so I think my living conditions are better than yours

I doubt very much! Such bile comments with a desire to cheat everything about Kazakhstan can only be for a loser who has flown very much and is now even trying to win back for his failures ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Do not tell me the area of ​​your apartment?

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Do not tell me the area of ​​your apartment?

Have you decided to "measure yourself with pipiski"? Well, just like a child is the right word!
I do not live in an apartment, I have my own house ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Well, say the area of ​​the house, but what about the measure? Well, you said that I’m just not living in a mess

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Well, say the area of ​​the house, but what about the measure? Well, you said that I’m just not living in a mess

You will interrupt somehow!
Your irrepressible interest in others is very alarming ...
Well, if you transfer my words to the koshara, then, as they say, "and lousy is all about the bath" ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

well then sit quietly and don't show off about a career

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

well then sit quietly and don't show off about a career

Here you yourself sit there quietly, and not indicate to others ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

well point and be rude while you
and jump from the topic

[Kasym]

He did not humiliate the Kazakhs. Since cattle are grazed mainly by the elderly or children (we do not live in the Middle Ages). . And if these are distant distant pastures, then the shepherd (the head of the family) is mainly occupied with supplies and other households. affairs. If it is impossible to deliver the necessary motor vehicles, then this question becomes acute.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

you have been living cattle all your life, this is your story, and he said that it was humiliating

[voyaka uh]

Ferry service started across the Caspian
Chinese "Silk Road-2". Chinese for their money
will repeatedly expand the Kazakh and Azerbaijani ports in the Caspian.
In order for trains with containers to quickly enter ferries.
And all this economy must be protected. Boats come in handy.

[Pirogov]

Quote: voyaka uh

Ferry service started across the Caspian
Chinese "Silk Road-2". Chinese for their money
will repeatedly expand the Kazakh and Azerbaijani ports in the Caspian.
In order for trains with containers to quickly enter ferries.
And all this economy must be protected. Boats come in handy.

Yes, China is advancing all over the world, and 400 million homes are living in poverty, and where is the logic? We went through this in 50, 60,70, XNUMX years, got over it and China expects the same thing. And the Kazakhs themselves are able to build a port and ships to them.

[Hon]

Well, how in poverty? Unemployment is slightly more than 4% for their population, the minimum wage is higher than in Russia, the average wage is higher than in Russia, while recently the situation was different. So they’re doing everything right, another 5-10 years they will earn as Koreans

[voyaka uh]

"Yes, China is advancing all over the world, and at home 400 million live in poverty and where is the logic" ///

The logic is direct and very clear. To bring people out of poverty,
in particular, trade more intensively, reducing transportation costs and increasing the speed of transportation. Then there will be more money from sales, this money can be invested in new jobs for the poor and the unemployed.

[kuz363]

I do not agree. Kazakhstan can only build a limited range of ships. For example, there is a shipyard in Aktau, but it can only build barges for oil operations, and these can be towed. Here are small ships in Uralsk and that's all. If something serious is ordered in Russia. And traditionally in Kazakhstan shipbuilding and, accordingly, there were no personnel.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: avt

I honestly do not understand the Kazakhs. Well, could short buy a couple of RK

What is there to understand. The ship was made in Kazakhstan, designed by Kazakhstani engineers, built by the hands of Kazakhstani workers ..

Quote: voyaka uh

The Chinese for their money will repeatedly expand the Kazakh and Azerbaijani ports in the Caspian Sea.

While the old shark foolishly ..:

Even more important are the actions of Kazakhstan, which is building two "Straightening lines": from Zhezkazgan to Saksaul and from Shalkar to Beyneu, which will reduce the distance from the border with China to the port of Aktau on 700 km.
Finally, February 23 on the route Yiwu (义乌; PRC) - Tehran (Iran) passed the first container train, covering the distance 10 300 km in 14 days - in transit through the territory of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, where in December 2014 was opened straightening branch Bereket - Gorgan. The course towards openness, which is expected from Tehran, may lead to the rapid development of transport corridors to the south of the Caspian Sea.
Now the ferry infrastructure does not match the increased traffic. Not enough ferries; Azerbaijan is not part of the EEU, so an additional customs and visa regime appears along the way for goods. All this leads to a slowdown in traffic. However, there is a demand - there will be an offer. The demand for the ferry crossing across the Caspian Sea, caused by Russia's actions, will lead to its improvement, which in turn will contribute to the development of the Trans-Caspian vector of the Silk Road, which is still raw but not hopeless.
So, January 14 Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine signed a protocol on the introduction of preferential tariffs for transportation along the Trans-Caspian transport corridor. This measure should improve its competitiveness compared to transit traffic between the CIS countries through Russia
An analysis of customs statistics for 2012 – 2014 years shows that the volume of transit from Asia to Europe through Kazakhstan already exceeds the total volume of transit through Eastern Siberia and the Far East. 2012 to 2014 year the volume of transit traffic from East Asia (primarily China) to Europe through Kazakhstan has more than doubled: From 39,1 to 91,5 Thousands of tons. Transit volumes through Eastern Siberia increased by just thousands of tons (from 4,4 to 68,7 thousands of tons) by 73,1 and thousands of tons through 0,8 (from 4,6 to 5,4 thousands of tons)

http://carnegie.ru/commentary/2016/04/21/ru-63395/ixdv

[avt]

Quote: Alibekulu

developed by Kazakhstan engineers,

Not ! Well, really - I didn’t want to! Well, so he asked for it - get it. We read, mana to the captain, in the article

At the Zenit Ural Plant, the next Sarbaz border patrol ship of project 22180 was launched (national classification - project 300),

May, mana, didn’t say that the plant was Russian, it’s different - YUBORG said! Now, mana, look up Google, Yandex-shmandeks, well, if, mana, it’s in your head not to be interested in the news of the Kakhzakh Navy in Kazakhstan in general .... absolutely mana.

Designer: JSC "Northern Design Bureau" (Russia, St. Petersburg).

Your, mana, Kazakh engineer rewrote the name of the project from 22180 to the local 300, what sticker could have stuck, well, the technologists at the plant probably drafted the technical documentation for the existing equipment - everyday business, well, when the documentation gets from the designer to the manufacturer to the department to the main technologist.

Quote: Alibekulu

While the old shark foolishly ..:

I recommend, mana, to see what kind of Turkmenbashi "Lightning" with "Uranus" of Russian manufacture, in addition to Turkish patrol boats, and even like Turkmenbashi and "Sables" I ordered a lot of them. What else? I can only advise the locals for national managers - spend money and make a normal slip, if you have already taken up such standard sizes - lower it with the side, otherwise you will definitely drown the next time, especially when you decide to leave for 300 tons and 50 meters.

[Kasym]

Alibek, good afternoon. The Carnegie Moscow Center has a mistake. It's not about thousand tons, but about millions of tons. Proving is easy. For 2015 only on the new route through Khorgos was a contract signed for 100 trains on the route from China to Alma-Ata. And this is about 500 thousand tons, and this is only one contract. And 39 thousand tons - this is only a dozen trains, no more.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: avt

Well, he asked for it himself - get it.

Damn grandfather frightened straight The main idea about Kazakhstani content .. What money for a ship will go into the pocket of Kazakhstani workers and engineers, who for this money will support their families, if the finance goes beyond the hill ..

Quote: avt

everyday life

Of course, everyday life, like a "Soviet tank BT" - Christie, T-26 "Vickers Mk.E", like the legendary Soviet truck "Polutorka", which even has a Ford emblem .. Domestic "forty-five" licensed version of the German 37-mm 3,7, 35-cm PaK 36/XNUMX by Rheinmetall ... Well, like the Stalinist industrialization forged by Americans and Germans ..
"- Hmm, you say peacocks" (c)

Quote: avt

I recommend, mana, to see what kind of a Turkmenbashi's duva, Lightning "with" Uranus "of Russian manufacture, in addition to Turkish patrol boats

I recommend to include the head, and not to show off.
In the Caspian puddle, these "Lightning" with "Uranus" are obviously redundant.
With regards to "Sarbaz", the main thing was to load its plant. To drive the poachers, but to mark the flag - the effect of presence, so to speak and no more ..
If a Turkmen dentist needs them as an attribute of his greatness, then his business.
As well as "caliber" bullet ..
Then with Azeri, he has graters around the disputed fields and Iran is near ..

Quote: Kasym

Alibek, have a nice day.

Shalom agay

[avt]

Quote: Alibekulu

That the money for the ship will go into the pocket of Kazakhstani workers and engineers, who will support their families for that money, if the finances go over the hill ..

What you can’t say, or rather you won’t write when you don’t want to admit that you messed up. The thing is, well, according to the precepts of the Turkish citizen O. Bender about children, start. Well, and again from the excess .... engineering ideas about Christie’s tanks. I won’t break the rhyme further.

Quote: Alibekulu

In the Caspian puddle, these "Lightning" with "Uranus" are obviously redundant.

Well, okay, here is Russia with an abundance of "Lightning", I do not speak for Calibers, they are for another region, and they will remain, as well as ... Turkmens. Well, the Kazakh Navy began to be and 30mm main caliber is enough, well, that's actually the case your

Quote: Alibekulu

If a Turkmen dentist needs them as an attribute of his greatness, then his business.
As well as "caliber" bullet ..
Then with Azeri, he has graters around the disputed fields and Iran is near ..

In short - "Look mother-in-law, you live there." You don't even have to remodel the slip, like this, backwards, slowly and proudly and independently, descend. Well, while we pray, like 22800, we will lay Karakurt "on the Sea" for the Black Sea Fleet for the holiday, God willing.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: avt

What can not be said, or rather you will not write, when you do not want to admit that you were lazy

lazy, I lazy - the old crook has laid me down ..

Quote: avt

I will not break further rhyme

Prailno and then break something thread, tea is not a young shark ..

Quote: avt

Well, while we pray, like sometime 22800, we will lay Karakurt "on the Sea" for the Black Sea Fleet for the holiday, God willing.

Yeah and at this very time in Russia:

Olga Golodets, vice-premier of the Russian Federation for social policy, said that in Russia, according to the latest 22 estimates, a million people live below the poverty line, Interfax reports. She stressed that most of them are families with children.
“22 million people - these are people who today according to Russian statistics are among the poor. There is a serious problem here, ”said the Deputy Prime Minister.

.

Quote: avt

In short

If shorter I think more significant than launching ships in the Caspian and Black Sea puddles, working on this project with all means ..

China is working on details of the construction of a bridge across the Caspian Sea, which unites highways and railways lying on a foundation made up of oil and gas pipes.
At the same time, the Chinese have already built the longest bridge in the world in 2010.

[Olezhek]

China is working on details of the construction of a bridge across the Caspian Sea, which unites highways and railways lying on a foundation made up of oil and gas pipes.

Fantasy!!! Oil and gas in which direction will be pumped ??

[avt]

Quote: Alibekulu

If in short I think it is more significant than launching boats in the Caspian and Black Sea puddles, I seriously worked on a sim project ..

For God's sake, there is money, a project, Chinese workers - build, then turn to the greatmakers - they have experience of digging in the Black Sea. This is what I need - then, after all, the same bridge to Romania, or Bulgaria will have to be built. Since Turkey and the USA campaign were sentenced to the same bloodletting as in Syria and even a map of the new region was drawn with Kurdistan, well, they will not have time to transit around Russia in the near future. Maybe I'm wrong, but after a week the snow will finally come down from the passes, and the Kurds, well, the political wing, have already withdrawn their statement that they are leaving the cities, so that Erdogan does not cut civilians, it was probably decided to go to the end. Merry-yo-spruce times are coming - many will laugh to bloody tears. So - "the dagger is good for the one who has it and woe to the one who does not have it in difficult times"

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Aposlya

Did you accidentally drop you on the floor in childhood?

He was dropped .. but far from accident ..

Quote: Zahar2012

But there is but, in Kazakhstan, Kazakhs are better spoken by Germans.

It has long been observed, the Kazakhs are well learn the German language. Pronunciation in German is close to ideal, apparently the languages ​​are similar in structure. When I went to German courses, this was noted by the teachers ..

Quote: avt

Since Turkey USA campaign was sentenced to the same bloodletting

The Turks themselves will "sentenced to bloodletting". Ask Nairi and those same Kurds. And an example of VVP, which did not even begin to contact them, limiting itself to tomatoes ..
PS. But this is so lyric. We heard about rallies in Kyzylorda, Atyrau and other cities ..
The situation is most fully reflected in Duvanov's article "Where did the pale-faced go?"

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Alibekulu

It has long been observed, the Kazakhs are well learn the German language. Pronunciation in German is close to ideal, apparently the languages ​​are similar in structure. When I went to German courses, this was noted by the teachers ..

Shoo and the Germans, too? !!!!
thought limited to Saks and Scythians, but no

[alexej123]

No, everything is clear, I did not climb into your "dog dump". Both have arguments. For the poor Russians - the TRUTH. It's a shame for your country. We know that. You write for your poor, so for honesty. For the industrialization that the Germans and Americans did - do you not notice what you say with the phrases "Svidomo horses"? The USSR CHECKED IT, through clenched teeth, through NEMOGA - OUR PEOPLE, including your ancestors. Or are they for you, nothing? In my opinion, you are a typical Kazakh nationalist. For the arguments and vocabulary, I explained to you. These are the ones that go out to the Maidans. Good, healthy girl.

[TORE-BATU]

I have been following your comments for a long time, Mr. Avt, it seems that you were in Kazakhstan and you were humiliated there, with what specifically. There is no need to write essentially, but no, you need to write such nonsense that does not apply to the topic of the article, that your comments cause only one disgust, the specialist is couch. It all started with an article about the ship, but because of the wise guys like you on this site, you have to write about your essence.

[avt]

Quote: TORE-BATU

I have been following your comments for a long time, Mr. Avt, it seems that you were in Kazakhstan

He was, but not in present-day Kazakhstan, but quite on his own in Baikonur during the Soviet era.

Quote: TORE-BATU

you were in Kazakhstan and you were humiliated there, with what specifically.

The little hands are a bit short, like that, in wet dreams of your own mighty greatness, and stay, but in practice I do not recommend trying.

Quote: TORE-BATU

your comments cause only one disgust, specialist sofa.

Well then, what is pinned up with the comment? I would go and hug the toilet, and then I would put the minus in silence.

Quote: TORE-BATU

. It all started with an article about the ship,

When you wipe the monitor, read my comments, I just wrote about the ship about who is the designer in particular, as well as specifically about how your own naval forces are building. Well, there is no reason to blame the mirror if the face is crooked. Am I to blame for the fact that your seafaring governors, first in 2008, want as many as 8 "Tornado" with "Uranami"? and then they proudly build a mighty rocket artillery ship "Kazakhstan" on the base of the border guard with the main caliber of 25mm twin, well, what they found in the warehouse from the USSR, and then they change the shoes by 23mm And as a powerful missile system, the Grada package Well then, after all

Quote: Alibekulu

In the Caspian puddle, these "Lightning" with "Uranus" are obviously redundant.

Even our version with a hail is not called a rocket ship - modestly IAC (small artillery ship)

Quote: TORE-BATU

and because of the wise guys like you on this site, you have to write about your essence.

Look, as if from your own bursting essence of the descendant of Genghis Khan and the shiver of the virtual Internet universe, do not burst.

[Talgat 148]

No, they didn’t find a warehouse ... but what Rush sells to us. Current recently managed to buy the tower AK-630 seems called.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Alibekulu

What is there to understand. The ship was made in Kazakhstan, designed by Kazakhstani engineers, built by the hands of Kazakhstani workers ..

this is from the same series as the development of the "Kazakh" engineers of the South African mbombe or the Jewish MLRS "nayza" which the Kazakhs also "invented"

[Kasym]

Apparently Vasilenko forgot how the Italian Zhiguli or tanks appeared - why bend your fingers like a fan !? "You can't exalt yourself by humiliating others."
And the South African armored personnel carriers already have a foreign contract.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kasym

Apparently Vasilenko forgot how the Italian Lada appeared

and that in the Russian Federation they shouted that this was a Soviet development ?!
but you just wrote everywhere that it was precisely Kazakh engineers and designers who came up with

Quote: Kasym

You cannot exalt yourself by humiliating others. "
And the South African armored personnel carriers already have a foreign contract.

so don’t humiliate yourself, by the way about the contract where are you going to sell them ?!

[Kasym]

And where did I write, please confirm with facts? Everywhere I write assembly.
I'm not so touchy, so I will answer. Jordan, 50 armored personnel carriers and something else.
And where am I humiliating myself and my people? This Phantom-AS is simply not in the subject and probably has not even been here.
It was understood that many began with this. They moved production, and then engaged in import substitution. Although probably the time has come when you need to invest in development.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kasym

And where am I humiliating myself and my people?

attributing other people's merits

Quote: Kasym

And where did I write, please confirm with facts?

well enough, already tired

Quote: Kasym

It was understood that many began with this.

We started with production and not with relations, and we said that we ourselves developed it

Quote: Kasym

Jordan, 50 armored personnel carriers

a memorandum was signed about the APCs, not an agreement
and your "something else there" is T72
about reality after such an announcement "Armored personnel carriers will be able to supply to 12 states: including Russia, China, CIS countries and the Middle East" this is an ordinary Kazakh wedding

[Kasym]

The specifics, Vladik, are not enough. What are the merits? No need to lie, you messed with someone about "Kazakh engineers and constructors ..." - show an example so as not to be unfounded balabol. And "enough, already tired" is an arrogant outburst.
And that he did not build an assembly site and prototypes - the plant is working and it has a state order. The total investment is 7,08 billion tenge (such good relations and announcements - do not find). And mind you, not state, but private. And as for Jordan, we will see.

[Revolver]

Well, they built it and let it go - well done, in every way it’s better than they didn’t build it and didn’t let it down, like the great Ukrainians have their series of corvettes.
But why make such a noise, exactly the chicken that laid the egg? Where warships are actually being built, such hype is not made during the launch of destroyers and nuclear submarines, and even there, the launch of an atomic aircraft carrier does not draw more than a minute clip in the news, and here it is, bunkers.
Well, if you like it, call it a "patrol ship" - over there Iran reclassified the ancient British-built corvettes into destroyers, they say we also have ships of the first rank. This means that caps can be made into caperangs, and the commander of a formation can be made into admirals.

[kuz363]

Border boats are still used against local and Russian poachers. And there are many of them, especially from Dagestan for sturgeon breeds. They put 2 Yamaha outboard motors on the canoe and no boat catches up. Only from a helicopter can you catch up, which they do. And they often have to shoot from a helicopter at the canoe, because they do not obey orders to stop in territorial waters. Sometimes poachers are killed by bullets. There were cases repeatedly.

[Andrey K]

Glad for the Kazakhs, they are doing everything right. The only question is: Whose power plant on the ship?
Gentlemen, can you tell me who packaged this boat?

[Amurets]

Quote: Andrey K

Glad for the Kazakhs, they are doing everything right. The only question is: Whose power plant on the ship?

German. Type of diesel engine: Deutz TBD620V16 diesel
Power of the main engine: 2х2240 kWhttp: //fleetphoto.ru/projects/2565/

[Andrey K]

Thank you
That is, in essence - the Kazakh corps

[Talgat 148]

In the know which frigate without a German diesel engine remained ??? And still without Ukrainian ??? )))

[i80186]

Quote: Andrey K

Glad for the Kazakhs, they are doing everything right. The only question is: Whose power plant on the ship?

MWM GmbH, which is already Caterpillar. In general, German-American.

[Mountain shooter]

Is that a ship? Border Guard Boat The mighty Navy of Kazakhstan is a thunderstorm of the seas. News on the level - lowered a new motor boat.
Well, I don’t even know. Not just with Kazakhstan. Nazarbayev is a wise man, and is trying to keep nationalists out of power. But he is very old. And then what will happen?

[siberalt]

Normal boat for lanes of the military authorities. You can dry the roach on it and guard the border. It’s quite a multifunctional.

[avt]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

News on the level - lowered a new motor boat.

Well, we are happy with a boat of a similar displacement. Normal news, but when I saw the first photo in the article .... the impression is that they just push the boat into the input. The campaign for this slip is a bit big, it’s rather long. And for the border guards, such a project from the St. Petersburg Special Design Bureau is quite decent, they also built a minesweeper in Russia, it seems.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The mighty Navy of Kazakhstan is a thunderstorm of the seas.

Well, it’s only cooler than the Azerbaijani Navy I honestly don't understand Kazakhs. Well, we could have bought a couple of RK in a short time, that export version stuck in Rybinsk with "Uranus", a very significant increase, did not, and okay - we will strengthen the Black Sea Fleet and the Caspian Flotilla, which is part of it, and they would not be an example of the fact that they are in the form MAK with "Grad" in the same Uralsk made, would be in the composition - at least equal to the Turkmens. Yes, for good things, four Buyans "in Zelenodolsk would be ordered with the same" Uranus ", and what smaller ones would be built, well, like with this border guard, boats of the" Mongoose "class there, again a version of a Swede from Rybinsk near they would localize themselves, well, under the license of Pela who does it, that would be very solid and quite weighty for the region.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: avt

but when the first photo in the article I saw .... the impression is that they just push the boat into the input.

So I rolled over the photo, as if a fishing longboat was being immersed in a pond of a summer house cooperative

[Hon]

It’s not that the ship is small, but that they themselves do

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Hon

It's not that the ship is small

wondering what the sea wolves will answer to you on the word "ship"?

[Concept1]

Quote: avvg

Well done, the Kazakhs, unlike the Ukrainians, have not "sold" or "drank" the legacy of the Soviet Union, there is where he builds ships.

Not Kazakhs but Kazakhstanis. 70 percent at the factory zenith engineers are Slavs factory director Valiev Vyacheslav Khamzievich Tatar the whole backbone from the Soviet period remained including the director. The design of the boat was based on a project from Russia, an MTU engine, a water canal-royce jet, a radar from Europe, an AK 630 cannon.

This is the only shipyard in Kazakhstan. Transported in due time from Leningrad.
All the same, well done, that the market was not done on its territory, although I still leased a couple of buildings for rent or sold, I don’t know. On the other hand, the plant was built in the union for larger projects and now it cannot be loaded 100% with all the desire and everyone understands why ..)

[Concept1]

Joint Stock Company "Ural Plant" Zenit "
Address: 090000, Republic of Kazakhstan, West Kazakhstan Region, Uralsk, ul. Saraishyk, 28.
Phone: [phone]; fax: [phone]
Email: [email protected];
Website: www.zenit.kz
Leader: General Director - Valiev Vyacheslav Hamzievich
Tel: [phone]


First Deputy General Director - Chief Engineer - Victor V. Garchev
Tel: [phone]


Director General Reception
Tel: [phone]

Deputy General Director for Production - Victor Podvatilin
Tel: [phone]

Deputy General Director for Logistics, Equipment and Transport - Anatoly Chernyshov
Tel: [phone]

Deputy General Director for Marketing and Sales - Head of Marketing and Sales - Homko Bogdan Ivanovich
Tel./fax: [phone], 51-38-06

Chief Designer - Potapov Anatoly Pavlovich
Tel: [phone]

Chief Technologist - Solodovnikov Alexey Konstantinovich
Tel: [phone]

Chief Architect - Davletyarov Serik Zhakievich
Tel .: [phone], ext. 20-55

Department of Logistics and Equipment
Tel./fax: [phone]; 51-08-08 add .: 21-12, 25-10, 21-15, 20-68, 21-14, 22-89

Purchasing Manager Tel .: [phone], ext. 22-65

Human Resources Department. Tel .: [phone], ext. 20-40

Factory switch Tel .: [phone]

[kuz363]

Why is the chief architect at the shipyard?

[aba]

And the march "Farewell of the Slav" is playing!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: aba

And the march "Farewell of the Slav" is playing!

Exactly. It was necessary to sack "Longing for the Homeland".

[MarKon]

That's it, that's what struck me - Farewell of the Slavyanka)

[Navuxonastupil]

Quote: cniza

Nazarbayev is well done, but no receivers can be seen and this is annoying, nationalism is also growing there and the United States is not asleep.

receivers ?! What do you need? Transistor or tube? My dear, before the "depth" of thought to voice it is necessary to tighten the grammar, eh?

[Zymran]

Etcеreceiver (!)

[Talgat]

yes, they constantly write instead of the successor - the receiver

[Ivan65]

Congratulations to the people of Kazakhstan!
I know a lot of military sailors from Kazakhstan who served on the ships of the Navy of the USSR in various positions. All of them are Kazakhs, Russians, Germans, etc. showed themselves very well in difficult situations.
I hope that the Kazakhstanis will develop their fleet, and not break it up. So far, they have succeeded not badly, and thank God.
I worry about the failures and real successes of Kazakhstan, as this is my homeland.
Any descent of a warship into the water is a success.
Large ship or small .... does not play a big role. He served and was on business trips on ships of various sizes and capabilities - he was on Takra Minsk, on BPCs, and went on raid minesweepers (maaaalenkie plastic soap dishes). I also went on a wooden base minesweeper with a rotten bottom. An officer with the IPC said looking at us that iron people serve on wooden ships.
And what about the border guards on our aircraft carriers rolling out over the seas and oceans?
You see a boat, a longboat, a motor boat - with what epithets our forum users did not award this ship.
Do you see the alphabet young ...
Do you see seafarers seeking out - why such comments?
Guys, let’s not at least lie to ourselves ... While we are Russia, we have just begun to slow down before the precipice. So far, they have just begun to revive their fleet. We are in every way disturbed, but we have no other choice but to be a strong all-ocean power. And before that, we must learn to create means of production for the same means of production. While we are again at the beginning of the journey. No need to rit others ... We have a significant fleet compared with Kazakhstan, but do not overestimate ourselves.
Remember the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905 ...
The Japanese in the shortest possible time created an entire industry to create perfect warships. If before the beginning of the 20th century, the Japanese bought ships, then starting in 1901, the Japanese themselves built warships in packs (mainly destroyers, minesweepers, gunboats), and in 1903 they produced bundles of armadillos, armored cruisers, cruisers with partial armor protection). For a couple of decades - from peasants stomping mud during rice planting, they turned into workers, craftsmen, engineers, sailors, warriors, officers, shipbuilders, and naval thinkers.
Ours then laughed and mocked, then there was Port Arthur, and then Tsushima and a humiliating world.
We can talk about betrayal both outside and inside, about world capital, about world conspiracy - but there remains a dry residue, defeat. We must remember and understand the reasons that led us to defeat, so that victories were born ....
Our eternal - we only have 2 (3) allies; this is the army and navy (now the VKS) is not entirely true ... It would be dangerous for Russia not to have a people, an economy in its allies. It’s stupid not to trust diplomats, it’s terrible to have childish maximalism in adult graters ....
It upsets us very much that not everyone kisses us in the ass, and if single stupid people spit on us, they are ready to curse the whole country. In many former Soviet republics, there are different forces. And there are different things in Kazakhstan. And the Anglo-Saxons are not asleep and the Saudis (Qatar and the Saudis build mosques and schools for free). Do we really need southern "Ukraine"? Kazakhstan has long been torn apart by the evil forces of different countries and it is good that Nazarbayev is there and it is bad that he and his future successors are being pressured both from the outside and from the inside. We often underestimated our own and others' capabilities and often neglected others, so more than once we stayed at a broken trough. Let's be statesmen, just a little bit

[EvgNik]

Great Ivan. Neither reduce nor add.

[kon125]

Exactly, a fellow countryman. Kazakhstan and my homeland. Beautiful. Beautiful ship.

[nathanael]

And what about the desert ships strained? And what missiles are armed?

[avt]

Quote: Nathanael

And what missiles is armed?

And why the border guard then? They have missiles armed with "Kazakhstan" RAC according to their classification, well, rocket artillery.

Quote: Alibekulu

. The ship was made in Kazakhstan, designed by Kazakhstani engineers, built by the hands of Kazakhstani workers ..

There on .....

Quote: avt

project 22180 (national classification - project 300),

Quote: avt

Designer: JSC "Northern Design Bureau" (Russia, St. Petersburg).

First we put a pair of 25mm ... artillery guns of the main caliber, then they changed it to a "modern" twin 23mm (on the second AK-306) and a "Grada" package. Here is an analogue of our "Buyan" in the MAC version

[per3526]

Who remembers what the article is about?
It’s better if they bought from our factories.

[Aposlya]

Quote: per3526

It’s better if they bought from our factories.

And what do you not buy at British factories or from the Germans?

[avt]

Quote: Aposlya

And what do you not buy at British factories or from the Germans?

Learn the materiel before boiling with local anger in the manner of Alibekulu. In Germany, before the sanctions, they bought diesel for the Navy, now we have to install Kolomna and try to pull out licensed Chinese production. In France, Mistrals "were ordered, which are so lacking now, this is if you don't count different thermal imagers by me. Again, the drones are different from different. And there is simply nothing to buy from the shaven ones, they already don’t. factory of the World ".

[Aposlya]

Quote: avt

Teach the materiel before boiling in small-town anger in a manner

Sharks, well, and the proposals "buy from us, do not make your own" - from the same series of local! What is not clear then?

[avt]

Quote: Aposlya

What is not clear then?

According

Quote: per3526

per3526

I will not say, but I considered and still believe, and no one has convincingly convinced me so far - the Kazakh Navy is rebuilding STUPID. Well, they made a series of frontier guards at home - well done. But why is it stupid to fence the city out of the principle - to make of them "Rocket Artellirian Ships" with small ships in the form of the main caliber, moreover, from the presence in the warehouse, remaking the campaign of the play and ,, Gradom "instead of URO ??? And then under this nonsense carry

Quote: Alibekulu

In the Caspian puddle, these "Lightning" with "Uranus" are obviously redundant.

Whoever interferes with doing what everyone else does - ordered the RIGHT project UNDER YOUR CONCEPT OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE Navy in accordance with the expected threats, there is no way to build from scratch - start with localization and then drag and drop, if you invest in production capacity, manufacturing to yourself. This is how the Vietnamese with "Lightning", "Uranus", "surplus" armed at home now, and they did not buy the two stuck in Rybinsk, but they ordered the "Cheetahs" in Zelenodolsk, although they also ordered Dutch corvettes. Here I can understand them - OWN production with the supply of components from Russia and the turbine from Nikolaev, for sure. And your voivods completely lack the concept of building a Navy. Yes, show-off is above the mind. So

Quote: Alibekulu

If a Turkmen dentist needs them as an attribute of his greatness, then his business.

“The Turkmen dentist" turned out to be smarter, or rather the one who rules the Caspian with his flotilla.

[Aposlya]

Quote: avt

Kazakhstan's Navy is rebuilding stupidly. Well done a series of frontier guards - well done

Well? They are now in the Caspian frigates or something to build? What for? These border guards are needed only against poachers ...

[avt]

Quote: Aposlya

Well?

And well?

Quote: Aposlya

These border guards are needed only against poachers ...

Weakly ALL MY POST TO UNDERSTAND? Then here to yourself and answer

Quote: Aposlya

They are now in the Caspian frigates or something to build? What for?

What for . In the sense of why Kazakhstan needs the Navy. The key here

Quote: avt

. And your governor’s campaign completely lacks the concept of building a Navy. Yes, show off above the mind.

[Aposlya]

Quote: avt

What for . In the sense of why Kazakhstan needs a navy

I already said why the KZ watchtower is needed ...

[Olezhek]

Well, in principle, for Kazakhstan it is quite a completely reasonable decision. Build what you can from what is.
Who else is there? Turkmens and Azerbaijanis ... Iranians do not need these games in the Caspian Sea, but if something they can build small ships themselves ...

[Olezhek]

I now do not understand all this irony and criticism of Kazakhstan.
Great sea power they do not have, and they do not need.
Armed usually on the basis of the tasks of threats, economic and technical opportunities.
If the leadership of Kazakhstan believes that this ship solves these tasks and corresponds to the situation,
then the flag in their hands is their business.
People do not want to follow the path of Saakashvili and for the sake of God ...

[Talgat 148]

Apostle on the Navy is also needed as needed by the Russian Navy !!!

[Olezhek]

In general, the evil commentators on the military school: Nazarbayev would launch a fourth heavy aircraft carrier - everyone would shout that he was preparing an aggression ...
He floated a little squad ... everyone is unhappy with the size ...
You will not please you.

[Talgat 148]

Why does Russia need a fleet ??? The same stupid question is why Kazakhstan needs the Navy !!!

[Ros 56]

Dear, I don’t understand what you are measuring, I don’t remember who said that after six generations all people are brothers. Better sit down at Dostarkhan, and under a good beshbarmak with shurpa, under vodka or koumiss, have a leisurely conversation about our ancestors, the main thing is not to lean on your throat proving your case, and everything will be fine.

[Military Builder]

Vasilenko Vladimir and Talgat, for the like, there is AltynOrda, they just love it and they measure it

[alexej123]

Is it like a "Censor" or what?

[alexej123]

Is it like a "Censor" or what?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

no one measures anything

[Evil 55]

Thunderstorm of the seas and okiyan, for the fear of black Obama ...

[Talgat 148]

Moscow was not built in a day! Slowly, we’ll start building 500 tons, then 1000 tons of triremes ... the most important thing is building yourself! There is a national classification of ships! Shipbuilding program! Shots are available! At the marine biathlon took second place! Again we provide the work of KAZAKHSTANTS !!!!!!!
Everything will be fine with us! Who rejoiced for us - Honor and respect! And who is not on the pope !!!