China is a virtual ally

As is known, in March 2014 of the year, after the annexation of the Crimea to the Russian Federation and the introduction of Western countries of sanctions against Russia, Moscow was counting on support, primarily from Beijing, and support both economic and political. The Kremlin had similar calculations due to further developments - the conflict in the Donbas, the beginning of the Russian military operation in Syria, and the confrontation between Moscow and Ankara. Actually, the whole "turn to the East" meant, first of all, the next "fraternity forever" with Beijing.

SANCTIONS ON THE FACT

All these hopes of Moscow were completely not justified. She received no real political support from Beijing. In the course of all voting in the UN Security Council and the UN General Assembly on the Crimea and the conflict in Ukraine, China invariably abstained, as do a few dozen other countries. China has not legally joined the sanctions against Russia, but this cannot be considered as support. The fact is that certain sanctions against the Russian Federation were imposed by the United States, Canada, EU countries, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, Montenegro, Ukraine, Moldova, Albania, Georgia, Japan, Australia, New Zealand. In total, these are 42 countries from 192 countries - members of the UN, that is 21,88% of recognized states of the world. Thus, China was only among the 150 countries (or 149, if we exclude Russia itself), which preserved their previous relations with Russia.

The preservation of the previous relations can hardly be considered support, especially since more than three-quarters of the countries of the world, including, in particular, such close allies of the United States as the Republic of Korea and Israel, turn out to be such "supporters". The same can be said about the arrival of Xi Jinping to celebrate the 70 anniversary of the Victory in Moscow, since there came a significant number of foreign leaders, including those from EU countries.

Moreover, of all the states that have not legally imposed sanctions against the Russian Federation, China has become, in fact, the only country that actually introduced them. Beijing recommended that Chinese enterprises with state participation not cooperate with Crimean companies and not participate in any agreements or projects in the Crimea, and also repeatedly refused to accept official Russian delegations from Crimea or representatives of Crimea as part of wider Russian delegations. Chinese banks (with the exception of the state Eximbank and Development Bank) de facto joined the sanctions against Russia and began to evade issuing loans to Russian banks and other economic entities or sharply tightened the conditions for issuing such loans. In addition, many Russians were forced to close accounts in Chinese banks. At the same time, China retained all relations with Ukraine in the same volume.

The trade turnover between the Russian Federation and the PRC declined by two years in two years, although Moscow was counting on its significant growth. Apart from the well-known gas agreement, whose fate is still not completely clear, there are still no major joint contracts between the two countries, as well as the expected flow of investments from China to Russia. Moreover, taking advantage of the economic problems of Russia, Chinese economic agents only tighten their negotiating positions with their Russian partners, although these positions have always been very tough.

Relations in the sphere of military-technical cooperation are also quite difficult to develop. In particular, the negotiations on the sale of Su-35С fighters for the PLA Air Force only this year ended with the signing of a relevant contract, but it has not yet entered into force, since it has not been ratified by either the Russian or the Chinese side. In any case, this year the contract implementation will not start any more, especially since the Russian Defense Ministry signed a contract for the supply of additional 50 Su-35С to the Russian Air Force, which will load the production capacity of the plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. The situation with the contract for the supply of a C-400 AAMS system to China is completely unclear, there is not even complete certainty that it was actually signed. However, in this case, the delay with the signing and implementation of contracts can, perhaps, only be welcomed.

AND AGAIN NO SUPPORT

Russia did not receive the slightest support (even verbal) from China in connection with the situation in Syria and the Middle East in general. China distances itself as much as possible from expressing its position in relation to the parties fighting in Syria, without even rendering any symbolic assistance to Assad and his supporters. Moreover, in fact, Beijing is now acting on the opposite side. This became completely clear after Xi Jinping’s trip to the Middle East (visits to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran) this year. The President of the PRC quite clearly expressed his political support for Saudi Arabia, one of Assad’s main opponents. He supported the Saudi “fight against terrorism” (which is extremely funny in itself: Riyadh against terrorism is just like “bees against honey”) and the intervention in Yemen, during which the Saudis and their allies killed up to 10 thousand. civilians with, to put it mildly, insignificant military successes. The negotiations of Xi Jinping in Tehran, which is one of the main allies of Damascus and the Yemenite Hussites, boiled down to economic issues. During a speech to representatives of the Arab League in Cairo, Xi Jinping condemned any foreign military intervention in the affairs of the Middle East, apparently bearing in mind the Russian operation in Syria. The only Russian action in Syria that China has welcomed is the conclusion of the main body aviation groupings in March 2016, which in the context of his position is quite natural.

Moreover, at the time of maximum exacerbation of relations between Moscow and Ankara after the destruction of the Russian Su-16 bomber by the Turkish F-24 fighter, Beijing announced the construction of a transport corridor bypassing Russia through the Silk Road project through Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey. Of Ukraine. This path is longer than through Russia, while it is extremely inconvenient because of the need to cross the Caspian and Black Seas. In addition, it passes through conflict zones in the South Caucasus and Central Asia. Nevertheless, Beijing is very actively developing it. Thus, there is either a direct challenge to Moscow, or a complete demonstrative disregard of its interests.

KOREAN ISSUE

A rather peculiar situation is developing now with respect to the DPRK nuclear program. In fact, now there is a collusion between Washington and Beijing to overthrow the regime in Pyongyang through its economic collapse (therefore, they developed a draft resolution of the UN Security Council with a sharp tightening of sanctions against the DPRK jointly). At the same time, both Washington and Beijing hope after this to put North Korea under their complete control, that is, after the overthrow of Kim Jong-un, the interests of the United States and the People's Republic of China will become opposite, but until that moment they coincide. Moscow is categorically not interested in such a development of events, but it was not ready to single-handedly veto the UN Security Council resolution on sanctions against North Korea (although it tried to delay its adoption). Perhaps this is the biggest foreign policy mistake of Moscow in recent years. It was doubly unacceptable to vote for this resolution because Russia itself is under illegal sanctions. And constantly says that any sanctions are generally counterproductive. With regard to the Korean problem, this is completely true, but for some reason in this case Moscow has forgotten about its own statements. At the same time, it is obvious that the sanctions will only lead to a further tightening of the position of Pyongyang, which is already happening in reality.

TEST TIME

Interestingly, before his visit to Moscow in March of this year, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said at the session of the NPC that the relations between China and Russia “could well withstand any test of the international situation,” there is reason to believe that “the general trend towards all-round development of China’s “Russian cooperation cannot change under the influence of any temporary negative factors.” Thus, it was directly recognized that Russian-Chinese relations go through "trials" and through "negative factors."

Thus, the real relations between Moscow and Beijing are becoming increasingly difficult, but the official rhetoric remains the same: both sides successfully continue to tell the rest of humanity about the unprecedentedly good relations between themselves. There is no doubt that in the foreseeable future this situation will continue. But at some point it will become impossible to hide reality behind rhetoric.

And there is absolutely nothing to be surprised here. Over the past two decades, Chinese officials have repeated the same formula many times - relations with Russia are not allied and are not directed against third countries. And this formula fully reflects the real position of Beijing. He will not quarrel with Moscow for the sake of the West, but to the same extent he does not see the slightest reason to quarrel with the West for the sake of Russia, especially since China’s trade with the US and the EU is not even times, but orders of magnitude greater than with Russia .

Similarly, Beijing sees no reason to quarrel for the sake of Moscow and Kiev. Ukraine is very interesting to China as a “bridge” to Europe (and bypassing Russia), as a source of some military technologies and fertile land, which Beijing would very much like to rent. China is extremely ambiguous about the Crimean precedent. On the one hand, he can consider himself "Ukraine" in the light of the problems of Taiwan, Tibet and XUAR. On the other hand, as he continues to grow his complex power, he can also play the role of “Russia”, and “Ukraine” will prove to be, it is possible, just Russia. In any case, the Crimea did not officially recognize Crimea in Russia.

OIL QUESTION

Saudi Arabia and Iran, opposing each other in the Middle East, are among the three largest oil suppliers to China. At the same time, China receives significantly more oil from the monarchies than from Iran, so that’s why it’s not going to quarrel with them. With Ankara, Beijing has been developing very close multilateral relations for many years, including in the sphere of military-technical cooperation. Therefore, he is absolutely not going to conflict either with the monarchies or with Turkey for the sake of Assad, whose fate, like Syria as a whole, Beijing does not care. Nor do they care about the problem of fighting Islamic terrorism, although Beijing has long since successfully recorded itself as its “victim”. Everyone remembers well that in 80-ies the United States, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan created Al-Qaida (a terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation) to fight against Soviet troops in Afghanistan, but for some reason everyone forgot that another member of this anti-Soviet Coalition was at that time China. Xinjiang separatism is of an exclusively national, not religious nature, but Beijing successfully created the myth of Islamic extremism of the Uyghurs, thus fitting into the global mainstream of “combating international terrorism”.

Thus, neither in the Crimea and Ukraine, nor in Syria, the interests of China completely coincide with the Russian ones. Accordingly, it would be strange for Moscow to expect support from Beijing. It is all the more strange to make claims to him about this - the power of any country is obliged to be guided by the national interests of this country, and not any other. In particular, Beijing both acted and will continue to act in Chinese, and not in Russian interests. These interests are completely different, so there is no union between us and there never will be. The only strange thing is that they do not understand this in the Kremlin. Here, by the way, almost completely repeated story with Russian-Turkish relations: For many years the Kremlin has managed to ignore the fact that the geopolitical interests of Moscow and Ankara (especially after Erdogan came to power) are not just different, but also diametrically opposed. And he managed to be very surprised downed by the Turks over Syria Su-24.

China has not shot down our plane. But perhaps this is the only difference between him and Turkey and is exhausted. And only for now.

Comments

[Abbra]

Big politics is an endless chain of compromises, or, if you prefer, a giveaway game. By and large, do we, and any state, have eternal allies? FOR ALL TIMES. It is enough for the United States to weaken, and all sorts of rifts will begin inside the country, all of its "allies" will immediately show themselves. And far from the best side. And if we talk about Russia, then everyone knows about its permanent allies - the army, navy and aerospace forces.

By the way, both the army and the navy (God forbid!), And the October Revolution of 1917, as an example of this, can also in a certain situation ... Of course, I repeat, God forbid.

So you need to live calmly, develop, become completely self-sufficient, do not get into the affairs of others if they do not directly concern us, and do not count on virtual partners.

Russia is a great power, and that’s it.

[cniza]

Russia is a self-sufficient country, we can live without China, and to be honest, our leadership understood that China would make its own "game".

[Nick]

Quote: cniza

Russia is a self-sufficient country, we can live without China, and to be honest, our leadership understood that China would make its own "game".

I completely agree with you. And Khramchikhin saddled his beloved skate again. "The Chinese threat" in various interpretations, his favorite topic, I suppose, is paid.

[Asadullah]

And zhurchchikhin again saddled his favorite skate

Most likely, he saddled a rooster, who, unable to bear the weight of the author, let out a dying scream in the form of this article. The slogan, who is not with Russia, is not just stupid against it, it is dangerous. Stupid and dangerous, like any du-cancer. China must learn to defend its interests in small steps, without screaming and flatulence, and lay out economic power as an argument. A player who has all the cards in his hands makes his game.

[Karlovar]

I completely agree with everything written by you! But Khramchikhin is either a dur ak or a scoundrel, paid. The second is more likely ....

[saltickov.]

The man wrote the truth, and we are fools, it’s not right. This is the level of development of production in China and Russia, we have continuous privatizations, and again they rob or share something in the quiet.

[trantor]

Quote: Karlovar

I agree completely! And Khramchikhin or dur ak,

Are you strange: so "agree" or "paid"?

[sa-ag]

Quote: Asadullah

lay out as an argument economic power.

With the economy, here you are right

[Talgat]

Quote: Nick

And Khramchikhin saddled his beloved skate again. "The Chinese threat" in various interpretations, his favorite topic, I suppose, is paid.

Definitely paid - I don’t know by whom - maybe the State Department?

And the article is just a lie, it’s all solid - misunderstandings of juggling juggling

I already wrote earlier that I myself am wary of the current Russian-Chinese friendship - like any citizen of KZ. But we must admit that China supports the Russian Federation and there are a lot of steps - from the BRICS bank to many investment projects in the KZ and the Russian Federation. And the Chinese are also trying to replace. all that Europeans refuse to give because of sanctions

Of course, they do everything in their interests - they need a friendly rear and strong Russia and the KZ from the west and north in the upcoming confrontation in the Pacific Ocean

And then what will happen is already unknown

[andj61]

Quote: Talgat

Of course, they do everything in their interests - they need a friendly rear and strong Russia and the KZ from the west and north in the upcoming confrontation in the Pacific Ocean

And then what will happen is already unknown

Of course, China does everything solely in its own interests. But at the same time it does not replace Russia for what it does not receive from the West now. In any case, in full. Russian-Chinese trade has just collapsed. Moreover, due to the fact that Chinese private banks do not lend to Russian companies for the purchase of Chinese products. And given the fact that the volume of China's trade with the West is dozens of times greater than that of China with Russia, then one should not even hope for a full-fledged "Chinese import substitution": if the West expresses (only expresses!) Dissatisfaction with the supply of some products to Russia - immediately there will be a reason to revise this agreement, as well as a reason to interrupt deliveries. The only real route is through Kazakhstan. But here they can be secured not only from China, but also from the initiators of the sanctions.

[D. Dan]

Well and good! But there is no friendship with China. If only for war ...

[Karlovar]

Fraud and juggling, as well as outright fantasies - Khramchikhin's corporate style, and he is rather mediocre, his articles are "convincing" only for especially intellectually unburdened persons ... Therefore, he was not heard for a long time, the owners turned off funding for mediocrity. But at this moment it became very difficult for the owner that he again brought this Khramchikhin back into operation, of course, resuming funding ...

[Talgat]

You are right dear Karlovar! Khramchikhin most likely paid by the State Department

But I must admit. that since the Chinese threat (even if not military - but in the form of cultural and ethnic expansion) still takes place - such anti-Chinese propaganda certainly has an effect. t to not from scratch

I think. that in this period of time, the leadership of both the Russian Federation and the KZ should still limit anti-Chinese propaganda - in view of the short-term conjuncture - while taking measures to limit Chinese economic and cultural expansion and migration.

T e now of course you need to be friends - against the much worse world evil. But friendship involves taking into account the interests of friends - and it seems that the Russian Federation and China are agreeing somehow now - it seems that China recognizes Central Asia for the Russian Federation and also does not climb into Kazakhstan. In the framework of the SCO, everything was somehow distributed. China is not profitable to scare the KZ and the Russian Federation and set them against

But in general, I would like some kind of "Chinese wall" to fence me off from China. You can also be friends at a distance - tourism can be helped to trade joint foreign policy joint protection from an external enemy - etc.

if I welcome the reintegration with Belarus and the Russian Federation, the words Integration and China are simply deadly incompatible

[Karlovar]

There is one striking, instructive and illustrative example in history: the creation of the Bulgarian state (Danube Bulgaria), the birth of the Bulgarian ethnic group! The Turkic-Bulgars and Slavs united in a single state for joint survival in the face of the Byzantine and Khazar threats! Moreover, the proposal was made by the Bulgars, the Slavs accepted, the Slavs were more numerous (hence the Slavic language, and the self-name of the people was Turkic). As a result, the combined army became very balanced: Nomad Bulgars are excellent cavalrymen, Slav-resistant infantrymen! Well, plus jumped demographics, economics. The result of this event? The Bulgarian state successfully survived both the Khazar state and the Byzantine empire !!!

[sa-ag]

Quote: Talgat

China supports the Russian Federation and a lot of steps - from the BRICS Bank

This same bank was originally financed by the Goldman Sachs fund, which subsequently took the money from there, so not China

[SSR]

Quote: Nick

Quote: cniza

Russia is a self-sufficient country, we can live without China, and to be honest, our leadership understood that China would make its own "game".

I completely agree with you. And Khramchikhin saddled his beloved skate again. "The Chinese threat" in various interpretations, his favorite topic, I suppose, is paid.

From the second paragraph, I assumed that it was Khramchikhin, with each paragraph making sure more and more.
Mr. Khramchikhin, makes any troubled one a black threat, and he automatically gives China away from Russia, not Taiwan, not the disputed islands .... Does Khramchikhin have a Chinese threat everywhere and does he have other threats? Or is he pouring water on orders? As one wise man said - if you are afraid of a neighbor, if you shake when you see him or mention him ... Then the day will come when he really decides to give you a cradle.

[Karlovar]

Khramchikhin makes a living by this, I think, not sickly! He has long been assigned the specialization "Chinese threat" ... But ..., he is incompetent, in the overwhelming majority of scoundrels are always mediocre, talents are usually decent ...

[avia1991]

Quote from S.S.R.

he automatically gives China dangling from Russia, not Taiwan, not the disputed islands ..

If we go to particulars, it would not be bad to ask the inhabitants of the Far East, Irkutsk region, and other adjacent territories .. expansion is real, and it has been going on for a long time. And if you like not to notice it, hiding behind the slogan "China is with us!" ... alas - this will not protect you from Reality.
This is to say that it is wrong to indiscriminately throw away all the arguments of the author: the article has quite enough relevant information! You can submit it, of course, in different ways .. but The truth is that China is not our ally, in the understanding that we put in this word. And against this background, the desire of our authorities through the media to hang Chinese noodles on our ears looks very stupid! It would be better to say as it is - there would be more understanding among the people. AND TRUST, APPROPRIATELY.

[trantor]

Quote: avia1991

It would be better to say as it is - there would be more understanding among the people. AND TRUST, APPROPRIATELY.

And this applies to everything, and not just China.

[avia1991]

Quote: trantor

And this applies to everything, and not just China.

Absolutely agree

[Karlovar]

It has been a long time since Khramchikhin has been heard! They shook off the naphthalene and stuck it back into operation, resuming, of course, funding! Apparently, it became very difficult for the "partners" that they again resorted to the services of this delusional mediocrity-Khramchikhin!

[avia1991]

Quote: Karlovar

delirious mediocrity-Khramchikhina!

Something I did not find any of your publications to compare .. do not boast what you are rich in? Because, judging by the comment, you do not reach Khramchikhin.
You need to respect yourself a little bit, and those around you. Is there anything to object to? So justify: with links, counterarguments! .. Do you even imagine the situation with the Chinese moving to our territory? No? I recommend to ask.

[Anglorussian]

Judging by the comments, Karlovar believes that China is the center of the universe with a standard of living above all, the oldest wise civilization and all that. It simply responds to arguments by itself. The situation with the mixing of the Chinese in our territory welcomes, by the way.

Khramchikhin does not reach

[rash12]

I think the author reflected the real state of relations with China.

[voyaka uh]

The "Chinese threat" in different interpretations "////

There is not a word about the threat in the article. It is written that in China
completely independent foreign policy, which is true.
China distances itself from all, does not seek allies.
What to do, he became a superpower, the second after the United States.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: cniza

Russia is a self-sufficient country, we can live without China, and to be honest, our leadership understood that China would make its own "game".

All is correct. Each country has its own interests, which do not coincide with the interests of other states. A large country has large deviations. Why yell? Problems with Crimea, no support, wonderful. China in the seas from the United States will begin to butt, but also do not rush for justice to butt. There were self-sufficient countries (USA, China, Russia, Brazil, .....), but now they are gone. Everyone got into the system, period. Who gave the land, who is finance, who is power, who is meat. We need to stand aside, but they won’t give it. ALL swara because of us.

[Asadullah]

Problems with Crimea, no support, wonderful.

There is support, lack of condemnation. For gentlemen, this means - okay.

[atalef]

Quote: Asadullah

Problems with Crimea, no support, wonderful.

There is support, lack of condemnation. For gentlemen, this means - okay.

Well, not really ok. The Chinese gentleman spoke out about this.

China declared respect for the territorial integrity of Ukraine and condemned Russia's actions in Crimea.
"We condemn the current extremist violent actions in Ukraine, and we continue to insist that all parties resolve their disputes legally and protect the rights of all people in Ukraine," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman said to the decision of the Council of the Federation of Russia to use troops in Ukraine.
China notes that it is always guided by the principle of non-interference in the internal affairs of countries.
"We respect Ukraine's independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity," the Chinese Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

[Asadullah]

Well, not really ok. Chinese gentleman spoke out about this

This is an invasion position that has not occurred. Silence in Crimea. You know, dear, Chinese proverb, by saying nothing, you show respect.

Basically, you need to know the Chinese in order to understand some points. For example, the statements of the PRC about Ukraine were considered by the Americans to be "indulging Russia." Why? Because the relations between the PRC and the United States are a thousand times closer than the relations between the RF and the PRC. Already under one hundred and twenty weekly aircraft flights, 3,5 million exchanges of people per year for entry and exit. I will not say anything about the economy and education ... Here, some "strategists" need to eliminate illiteracy, the author of the article in the first place. If Russia had such relations with at least one country in the world, they would be closer than between husband and wife. Against this backdrop, China is making bland statements. Here's Sasha and think ...

[sa-ag]

Quote: Asadullah

Silence in Crimea.

Well, what about silence, it was directly said that China respects (attention) the integrity of Ukraine

[vjatsergey]

For gentlemen it may be so, but for friends it is different - a friend will first run into a fight for you, and then there will be a conversation about what and how if you are real friends, and not just acquaintances. And from our friendly countries, I would like this, and not standing aside and watching how to muddle your enemies.

[Anglorussian]

Yes, there are no friends in international politics, here even the concepts of gopniks will seem chivalrous ...

a friend will run into a fight for you first

[Bath]

China butting with the USA as it’s not comme il faut to the USA isho swim swimming and the lands of Siberia are rich and sparsely populated at their side

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: cniza

Russia is a self-sufficient country, we can live without China, and to be honest, our leadership understood that China would make its own "game".

Well, is there a vertical ally where to find a vertical rival?
God did not offend the real ones.

[atalef]

Quote: cniza

Russia is a self-sufficient country, we can live without China, and to be honest, our leadership understood that China would make its own "game".

the problem of many Russians is that they perceive countries - or friends - forever, or enemies - forever.
Look at China - China is guided exclusively by its Chinese interests, generally looks down on everyone and spits.
This is his ideology - personal interests, interests, interests.
Therefore, he achieved what he achieved.
When Russia begins to think primarily about itself and its citizens, then the need for such articles will disappear by itself.

[Asadullah]

When Russia begins to think primarily about itself and its citizens, then the need for such articles will disappear by itself.

Who is Russia? I assure you that the Russian Foreign Ministry is well aware of the failure of any "friendship" in politics. And the articles are the reaction of the common man's resentment to the policy of isolation and containment of our country. Because of this, they have neither texture nor analytics. Only puffy lips with a candy wrapper.

In fact, the current situation in Russia is the position of the Damascus blade in the rolling process. Heat, cold, hammer. Whoever does not know the secret will gasp, the Almighty will burn the iron! But no, this is a dance of the waning moon with Venus. I hope we will see him in all its glory.

As for citizens, there is such a thing, dear Alexander, it would be good for everyone to start thinking about their own family - then there will be prosperity, to hear your neighbor, there will be love, to make a discovery that Russia does not end behind your fence, there will be order.

[avia1991]

Quote: Asadullah

the Russian Foreign Ministry understands perfectly well the failure of any "friendship" in politics. And articles are the reaction of an ordinary person's resentment

This is people's reaction to the version of our relationship that our media are exaggerating - and they do it from the words of our own politicians!
So it’s not only the man in the street that has to THINK, and “to follow the market”.

[Greyjojo]

For self-sufficiency, we lack "only" 500 million people ...

[Anglorussian]

Off topic-Rezo Tsiklauri, a Georgian, a brave fighter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, was killed in the Donbass. Even the censor did not find anything good about him ...

[Give the light]

Self-sufficient is self-sufficient, but where is all this? I looked at myself and did not see anything domestic around me except some food and utensils.

[Pavel Vereshchagin]

The policy of China, like almost all Asian countries, is based on the observance of its own interests. So one does not have to expect full support from China and one does not need to fall into euphoria from agreements concluded with it. You need to rely only on yourself.

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin

The policy of China, like almost all Asian countries, is based on the observance of its own interests. So one does not have to expect full support from China and one does not need to fall into euphoria from agreements concluded with it. You need to rely only on yourself.

And why is this characteristic only of Asian countries?) Any normal country should be based on its own interests. Why should China openly stand on the side of the Russian Federation, against the United States? Suggest who is the main trading partner and who brings money? Are you proposing to China to destroy its "economic miracle"? I think that all the questions were discussed well in advance and a similar answer was given, that there will be no open support.

[Pavel Vereshchagin]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

And why is this characteristic only of Asian countries?) Any normal country should be based on its own interests.

The example of EU countries shows how some countries respect their interests.

[Nick]

Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin

The policy of China, like almost all Asian countries, is based on the observance of its own interests.

Do you know alternative examples of state behavior?

[Secondly,]

The Turkish lousy government was the same allies recently. And what amers have allies? Yes, they are all on compromising yes on the dough on a short leash. The army and navy are our friends, and the point !!!

[Lens]

Strange, but in Switzerland there is neither a powerful army, nor an ocean fleet. And they live better than us and you together ...

[svp67]

Quote: Lens

Strange, but in Switzerland there is neither a powerful army, nor an ocean fleet. And they live better than us and you together ...

It’s strange to hear such words. Switzerland is a POWERFUL bank where money is spinning all over the world.

[atalef]

Quote: svp67

It’s strange to hear such words. Switzerland is a POWERFUL bank where money is spinning all over the world.

Well, Finland and Norway, Denmark, let’s say Spain (this is from the poor countries of the EU) Portugal?

[kotvov]

Well, let's say Spain (this is from the poor countries of the EU) Portugal ?,
can you tell me what debt these countries have? But you have to give it back. It’s just someone's profit until you demand it.

[Karlovar]

It’s scary to imagine what will happen after the return of debts! Moreover, all countries of the world almost owe tens of trillions of thalers, if not hundreds .... I wonder who ??? Wealthy residents from Sirius ????

[Anglorussian]

Well, in Portugal and Hungary, the standard of living roughly corresponds to the Russian one. I judge the quality of houses and cars. If you hadn’t done anything in the streets ...

Well, let's say Spain (this is from the poor countries of the EU) Portugal?

[Nick]

Quote: svp67

It’s strange to hear such words. Switzerland is a POWERFUL bank where money is spinning all over the world

Not only.
For example, these are Nestle Concerns (food products, pharmaceuticals and cosmetics, baby food), Novartis and Hoffmann-la-Roche (chemical pharmaceutical products), Alyusyuiss (aluminum), and the Swiss-Swiss concern ABB - Asea Brown Boveri (Electrical and Turbine Engineering). And, of course, Switzerland is considered the No. 1 watch factory in the world. It is in Switzerland that such famous and elite brands of watches as Patek Philippe, Breguet or Longines are produced.

[Karlovar]

This world bank is already breathing in the back of the head by the Chinese Chinese ... if they have not already passed ...

[Revolver]

Quote: Lens

Strange, but in Switzerland there is neither a powerful army, nor an ocean fleet.

The relief there is such that the whole country is a continuous Maginot Line. The army is small, but using natural, and not only, fortifications, it is able to keep a much more powerful army, about 300 Spartans held the army of Xerxes. And in Switzerland's neighbors, there is neither China, claiming half of Siberia, nor Islamic Central Asia, which is increasingly falling under the influence of all kinds of supposedly "Muslim brothers", nor "fraternal" Ukraine, nor militant sprats.

[Nick]

Quote: Nagan

The relief is such that the whole country is a solid Maginot line. The army is small, but using natural, and not only, fortifications, it is able to hold many times more powerful army, approximately like 300 Spartans held the army of Xerxes.

Yes, and mobilization resources are very good. All men of mobilization age are annually called up for military training. With the number of military personnel in Switzerland in the amount of not more than 10000 people, the army may well transform into a gigantic formation of up to 1 million 700 thousand “bayonets” thanks to well-trained reservists.

[andj61]

Quote: Nagan

And in Switzerland's neighbors, there is neither China, claiming half of Siberia, nor Islamic Central Asia, which is increasingly falling under the influence of all kinds of supposedly "Muslim brothers", nor "fraternal" Ukraine, nor militant sprats.

Nothing, soon - some 30-40-50 years later - a little Bavarian Sultanate will form just north of Switzerland - then they will feel all the charms of life on the frontier. But they still have almost the entire adult male population in the reservists, and they are constantly being charged. So who - who, in Switzerland can handle this too!

[31rus2]

Dear, there is not a relief, but they are able to use and maintain traditions, and they use their brains and money very successfully

[Anglorussian]

Adolph would break easily.

there is no terrain

[Nick]

Quote: Lens

Strange, but in Switzerland there is neither a powerful army, nor an ocean fleet. And they live better than us and you together ...

The neutrals. When was the last time they fought? Or they arranged a maidan? It is necessary to be smarter, not to crush everything to the ground, not to get involved, without sufficient reason, in the war, but to work, work, work. To work with meaning, with mind, rhythmically, not in a swoop. To equip the space around you.

[Alexdark]

Who about what, and the fox about the stomach.

[Karlovar]

When Turkey was listed in the allies of Russia ???? Turkey was a member of the CSTO ????? Or does it still belong to NAT ????

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin

The policy of China, like almost all Asian countries, is based on the observance of its own interests. So one does not have to expect full support from China and one does not need to fall into euphoria from agreements concluded with it. You need to rely only on yourself.

Mudra aki serpent.
Who will shed their blood for your antires? No man, "herself, herself." Here are just no excesses in the field.

[Karlovar]

And the policy of almost all European, almost all American countries is based on the observance of foreign interests ????????))))))))))))))))))))))

[faridg7]

Well, yes, of course, it was in their own interests that they introduced economic sanctions against Russia, and then began to howl from the results

[Denis Obukhov]

China has NEVER been and will not be an ally of Russia. And this is not because Russia is so bad, or because China has its own views of Siberia. Not even that.
China would always be on its own. He never had allies, with the exception of North Korea in the mid-twentieth century. This is the only nation that in no way accepts the culture of others. They only implant their own. China fought with almost all its neighbors and led, for the most part, aggressive wars. I repeat, for the most part.
Now it’s not worth the illusion that China is a friend, ally and partner of Russia. No, this is far from being presented to us. I would say differently. Sometimes, for some positions in the world, our interests coincide. That's all. No more.
China today is very actively gaining economic power. But this power is built on the bones of ordinary and impoverished Chinese. And so they have an attitude in everything. The only thing that holds them back is nuclear weapons. BUT! They also have it and they spat on any international agreements.
I am not turning anyone against China, but simply encouraging them to think soberly. If Russia gives slack, China will definitely take advantage of this. And then many will wonder why the "ally" did this, while realizing that China had never been our ally. It is then that he will become the worst enemy of Russia, worse than the United States. But not earlier, but for now he skillfully disguises himself.

[Seaman77]

China has no allies. There is a different mentality. To deceive someone is a “normal business” for them. This way of life. Although they love Russians, they don’t. Therefore, they are fucking us ... i.e. deceive with love and respect, and the rest are not. This is the Chinese mentality. They tried to “divorce” me, from taxi drivers to ship agents, who seemed to represent my interests. At least a couple of dollars, but cheat. And often I spit on everything, and paid because time and nerves are more expensive.
May our Jewish “comrades" forgive me, but Jews are small children compared to the Chinese ...

I sincerely hope that our president knows about this national line of the "fraternal Chinese people."

ps. I have been to China more than once. Last time is April 24th.

[atalef]

Quote: Seaman77

. They tried to “divorce” me, from taxi drivers to ship agents, who seemed to represent my interests. At least a couple of dollars, but cheat. And often I spit on everything, and paid because time and nerves are more expensive.

it’s the same with the Chinese workers, while you follow it - it works as it should, it’s a little gone - the hack started - caught, silently remodels, does not even take offense - well, like, it didn’t slip through, the captain --- will slip through tomorrow.
And you can endlessly gesticulate, like, yesterday it was the same --- every time, like the first time

Quote: Seaman77

May our Jewish “comrades" forgive me, but Jews are small children compared to the Chinese ...

Forgive tk know.

[Kos_kalinki9]

Forgive tk know.

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Seaman77
May our Jewish “comrades" forgive me, but Jews are small children compared to the Chinese ...

Forgive tk know.

Greetings, Alexander!
I just didn’t understand where the Israeli power engineers got experience from working with Chinese workers.

[atalef]

Quote: andj61

I just didn’t understand where the Israeli power engineers got experience from working with Chinese workers.

So when I was doing home repairs, I took these hunhuoz tiles to lay.
Hey . Andrew !!!

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

So when I was doing home repairs, I took these hunhuoz tiles to lay.

What, have they already reached Israel?
And we, in the old fashioned way, manage with all sorts of different Moldovans, Tajiks, Belarusians ...

[atalef]

Quote: andj61

What, have they already reached Israel?

Are the Chinese? And where are they not?

Quote: andj61

And we, in the old fashioned way, manage all sorts of different Moldovans, Tajiks, Belarusians

In general, the Chinese work well, quickly, but you can’t follow. stick tiles - laid perfectly. and knock is emptiness.

[vjatsergey]

That's who worked well for us in apartment renovation, these are guys from North Korea.

[Seaman77]

Greetings, Alexander.

Quote: atalef

it doesn’t even take offense - well, like, it didn’t slip, the captain --- it will slip tomorrow.

100% true. The agent brings me a local mobile phone, for communication, and palm off a piece of paper for signature, saying that I really ask him very much, give me the phone and am ready to pay 300 yuan for this ... The amount is cheap, but since it was already the fifth consecutive Chinese port and I was tired of it already, the conversation was something like this:

Me: ..... xxxxx, oh well! ..... xxxxx why do I need your phone ?????
He: Well, I have to call you ...
Me: Call me. I have a satellite ...
He: But it's expensive!
I AM: ?????? This is dear to you, but to me for free ...
pause...
He: Well, take it (mobile) so, for free ...

Ie, not a ride now, a ride later ...

[vjatsergey]

Right I worked with two welders. And their workers at the drilling rigs were not any, they replaced 4 people each, and ours at the same drilling rigs 2 each, so ours drilled more for the shift and spent less water.

[Anglorussian]

And what do you want foolish Belorilia?

while you follow him - it works as it should

[Karlovar]

The Chinese are direct competitors in mentality and methods of achieving goals to the Jewish "komrads" in the struggle for the fattest, tidbits in world economic life .... And "komrads" are well aware of this ...

[voyaka uh]

"The Chinese are direct competitors in mentality and methods
achieving the goals of the Jewish "comrades" ///

Jews are not afraid of economic competition.
For Israel, China is a bottomless market for mutually beneficial trade.
Israeli high-tech small firms become sub-contractors
for the Chinese giants, as well as for the American.
Most importantly, the Chinese have something to pay, and they pay bills.

[Anglorussian]

They are also available in Western markets and access to them. And yes, they consider everyone around them barbarians, even the British, Germans and Japanese. Why do they think so, yes because a shovel! China's propaganda apparatus is one of their pillars. Once I watched their English-language channel in Hungary on TV, so I almost flew to Beijing as an economic refugee, ask for refuge.

don't build illusions

[atalef]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

it has never been and will not be an ally of Russia

definitely.
Two tigers in a cage can’t get along. Especially with such monstrous contradictions.
Russia - sparsely populated Siberia with a huge amount of natural resources
China - with 1.6 billion people, the territory is overloaded and there are no minerals.
The vast extent of the land border.
Well, in general - all the factors on the face.

[Weyland]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

He never had allies, with the exception of North Korea in the middle of the twentieth century.

So it was not (and is) an ally, but vassal! It’s just that lately it’s been trying to show its temper - hence the Security Council resolution!

[Karlovar]

The Uyghur Kaganate and the Tibetan kingdom (the most powerful and warlike powers of their time) for centuries harassed China with predatory raids ... Just at one moment the Chinese emperors lost patience and they solved the issue of the Uyghur and Tibetan threats radically once and for all, eliminating these states in the military operations, including their territories to themselves. After the Mongol conquest, the Chinese also radically resolved the issue of the potential Mongol threat by conquering Mongolia and annexing their territories to themselves. The Hunnu (Huns) power also harassed China for centuries with predatory raids, invasions and posed a threat to Chinese statehood, again the Chinese liquidated the Hunnu state and persecuted them for a long time to the west, the Huns fleeing to the west provoked a great massacre called "The Great Migration of Peoples" ... So who was initially to blame for the termination of the existence of the states of the Uighurs, Tibetans, Mongols, Xiongnu (Huns) ?????

[vjatsergey]

Totally agree with you! I worked in Magadan (the Chinese got there too) in 2012 with the Chinese. They then bought land in the Magadan region, with a good gold content.

[voyaka uh]

"But this power is built on the bones of simple and poor Chinese" ////

Salaries in Chinese textile mills exceeded 20% or more
salaries of low-skilled workers in Russia. Therefore some
Western firms have already begun the transfer of their factories from China to Russia.

[D. Dan]

Well said. Everyone is here.

[Roman 11]

Quote: Abbra

So you need to live in peace

What if Nata incites? And if aggression? Will China help?

[Kasym]

What do you want from China? 15-20 years ago, no one wrote him to the great powers. And now it’s hard to call it a superpower. It still does not have such capabilities to openly confront NATO openly.
Based on the history of China, they never climbed further than the border countries. And then, only in cases where their interests are at risk. Until recently, their aircraft were not fully mechanized, but we passed this in the 50-60s of the last century.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Kasym

What do you want from China? 15-20 years ago, no one wrote him to the great powers. And now it’s hard to call it a superpower. It still does not have such capabilities to openly confront NATO openly.

Wait another 30 years. According to their philosophy, China is now about the middle of the boom era (about 60 years). And, then, the "golden age" will begin.

[Karlovar]

Yes, they outlined the beginning of their "golden age" in the 40s .... That is, literally in a quarter of a century.

[Alexdark]

What is the golden age? Their growth was in the two thousandth, for a long time there is no growth of this incredible. China, China, China. India is now growing more than China. Today is tomorrow, and you all look at yesterday.

[Karlovar]

India has less now! No need to mislead people.

[Karlovar]

Namely, in its history China resorted to military expansion in cases of threat to its interests and existence itself .... And as for the superpower, it is only a matter of time, about 10 years ...

[atalef]

Quote: Novel 11

And if aggression? Will China help?

Of course it will help, finish off the loser.

[Kos_kalinki9]

Of course it will help, finish off the loser.

It turns out the situation of the Second World War until 1944. The states calmly waited for someone who. The USSR and Germany also helped. They killed rude grandmothers on this. And now they have become Great Winners. And China too.
Vile, but true.

[Basarev]

The worst part is that those in the Kremlin are ready to bend under China more and more. And I won’t be surprised after the islands already surrendered under Putin, when under the same Putin and the entire Asian part of Russia they will surrender to the Urals. There have already been proposals to give the Arctic to the Americans, because they are zealous owners.

[Karlovar]

After the sagging under the United States (perestroika, democracy, privatization), 14 republics, the countries of the "Warsaw Pact", Cuba, North Korea, Mongolia, Vietnam have already been (!) Given up, the list goes on.

[Karlovar]

Absolutely right!

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Novel 11

And if aggression? Will China help?

Of course it will help, finish off the loser.

If we take three, or rather, two and a half global players - the United States, Russia and China, then in the exchange of nuclear strikes, for example, between Russia and the United States, China will certainly not get weak - both from both sides. China will do likewise: the remaining strong and untouched by global cataclysm countries do not need anyone ...

[atalef]

Quote: andj61

If we take three, or rather, two and a half global players - the United States, Russia and China, then in the exchange of nuclear strikes, for example, between Russia and the United States, China will certainly not get weak - both from both sides.

Is this how boxers soaked the referee?

Quote: andj61

. China will do likewise: no one needs the remaining strong and untouched by global cataclysm

Well then, everyone .....

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

Is this how boxers soaked the referee?

Not the referee, but the viewer, but he will also hit boxers.
And so - it will go to ALL more or less strong players. Israel, however, only distant Pakistan should be feared, but even this option is unlikely - India is at hand.
So Israel is likely to become one of the first numbers on the planet - after the apocalypse, though ...

[atalef]

Quote: andj61

Not the referee, but the viewer, but he will also embed the boxers

Not . Andrei, the audience, this is us, small countries. but China is still a referee.

Quote: andj61

Israel, however, only distant Pakistan should be feared, but even this option is unlikely - India is at hand.

I do not think. With Pakistan, we never had a chub

Quote: andj61

So Israel is likely to become one of the first numbers on the planet - after the apocalypse, though ..

This is generally unambiguous. especially tomorrow. I will go to the side of Megido Crossroads (this is where Armagedon is) 30 km from me. Total business

[Rus2012]

Quote: andj61

If we take three, or rather, two and a half global players - the United States, Russia and China, then in the exchange of nuclear strikes, for example, between Russia and the United States, China will certainly not get weak - both from both sides. China will do the same:

... you are absolutely wrong here!
Moreover, the Russian Federation and China are on the path to jointly conducting nuclear planning. Those. summation of carriers and distribution of goals, the first step in this direction has already been taken, see here -
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3249752
Exercise "Aerospace Security-2016" will be held at the Central Research Institute of the Aerospace Defense Forces of the Russian Ministry of Defense

MOSCOW. 29 April. / TASS /. Russia and China in May this year will hold the first computer missile defense exercises. This was reported on Friday by the press service and information department of the Russian Defense Ministry.
"In May 2016, by decision of the Ministers of Defense of the Russian Federation and the PRC, on the basis of the Central Research Institute of the Aerospace Defense Forces of the Russian Ministry of Defense, it is planned to hold the first joint Russian-Chinese computer command and staff exercise on missile defense" Aerospace Security-2016, " Ministry of Defense.
The main goal of the exercise is to develop joint actions by the quickly created air defense and missile defense groups of Russia and China to protect territories from accidental and provocative attacks by ballistic and cruise missiles.

More on TASS:
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3249752

[Anglorussian]

Yeshe will help! Especially if Nata wins!

Will China help?

[Vitwin]

Quote: Anglorussian

Yeshe will help! Especially if Nata wins!

Will China help?

Russia's real ally is now Zimbabwe
News on Mayle - Russia and Zimbabwe will fight Western sanctions together
Kapets to them now, it remains for the Negroes to adopt inflation as a way to fight and count all rubles into billions ... at the rate of 1 rupee - 1 billion

[Anglorussian]

Do not slam your beak, but grab concessions on platinum and uranium. And inflation - Mugabe does not need ranks for the presidency - and order.

Russia's real ally is now Zimbabwe

[g1v2]

Khramchikhin, on his own wave - is fighting the Chinese threat. Even arguing with him is somehow embarrassing - he will suddenly be offended. Just one point about sanctions - the Chinese cable layer is laying the energy bridge to the Crimea through the strait, and the cable itself was made by a company from Shanghai on our order, because in the Russian Federation air and underground cables are made of the required throughput, and submarine cables are only smaller (they are needed every 50 years , as practice shows). So it does not look like sanctions from the PRC.
And about the trade, well, have you heard about import substitution? This is such a thing thanks to which the import of machinery, transport and equipment in the Russian Federation decreased from $ 152 billion in 2013 to 82 in 2015. And this is not done in order to break free from dependence on Europe and become dependent on China. So we are buying in China what we cannot really quickly replace. And import substitution applies to China too. But there is an increase in our supply of mineral products in China and the Saudis are sad about it - there are not so many grain places in the world. And by the way, the transit of goods from China through the Russian Federation grew by 89 percent - more so far the throughput capacity of our railways does not allow. But work to increase it is in full swing. And the news about the transfer of 12 production facilities from the PRC to the PRIMORSKY KRAI DO NOT FORGET - THE PERFECT ON IT WAS MISSING.

[Dam]

Lord, all with the blessed Easter of God, God is our ally and Truth. Victory will be ours!

[Rus2012]

Author Alexander Khramchikhin with HBO

-
that's it!
This so-called. "ikspert", one task is to sow distrust, and even better enmity between the PRC and the Russian Federation ...

Although, the relations between our countries are completely different and the proof of this are these recent real events -
Russian-Chinese response to NATO exercises: coordination of joint missile defense activities

At that moment, while NATO is preparing to conduct the largest exercises since the Cold War, “Anaconda-2016”, which will involve more than 30 thousands of troops, Russia and China are preparing their “subtle hint of thick circumstances.”

NATO exercises will start very soon - they are scheduled for June 7-17. Moreover, they are planned on a grand scale. 31 thousand troops from the 19 NATO countries (including 14 thousand Americans), as well as from six alliance partner countries, including Ukraine, will learn to repel conditional hybrid threats.

And everything seems to be fine: the preparations are in full swing, problems with logistics and lobbying for Ukrainian participation are being resolved, but here you are - a month before the start of the exercises, the Russian Federation and China will conduct the first missile defense computer exercise "Aerospace Safety-2016."

The main goal of the exercise is to develop joint actions by the quickly created air defense and missile defense groups of Russia and China to protect territories from accidental and provocative attacks by ballistic and cruise missiles.
...
The main point of the Russian-Chinese exercises is not a demonstration of weapons and strength, but the solidarity of state policy and security strategies. This is another “subtle hint” that Russia and China, in which case, will coordinate actions and form a united front.

In addition, such a serious desire of NATO countries to rattle arms in Poland fades a bit against the news of tests of the latest generation of missiles, invulnerable to NATO weapons, in particular, for missile defense systems. Moreover, both Russia and China carried out successful tests, literally with a difference of several days (testing hypersonic BB)...

Obviously, while the United States is “shaking” and arming eastern Europe, Russia and China are improving their missile defense capabilities and overcoming the enemy’s missile defense.

[rifets]

We rely only on our own strength!

[Stavros]

Short and precise, there’s nothing to add.

[Observer2014]

"China is a virtual ally"
And then! It is only the "naive" Russians who give the atomic bomb and rocket technologies. This is only the "naive" Russians who are doing this, and at that they are saving the country from being turned into soap. Silyuk in the Baltics industry. The main entertainment of which 100 years ago was to spin love, carrots with cattle in a barn. Maybe it's time for the Russian government to think about Russians?

[Observer2014]

Many people write: China is a superpower, and so on and so on. China will never be a superpower without military victories! Without military victories, China is just a giant factory. And that's all. Where is China as an ally with us in Syria? They sit in Beijing and think: God forbid, MANPADS with the stigma "pop up" at Kytay " And if MANPADS or something else come up, then something must be decided!

[atalef]

Quote: Observer2014

Many people write. Here China is a superpower, etc., etc. China will not be a superpower without military victories!

You know, a rhino has poor eyesight, but its size is not his problem.

Quote: Observer2014

Where is China as an ally with us in Syria?

China is not an ally and why the hell is Syria?

Quote: Observer2014

: God forbid, MANPADS with the stigma "zroblyno at Kytay" will "pop up"

Yes, they have already surfaced - China generally on the drum.

Quote: Observer2014

And if MANPADS or something else come up, then something must be decided!

Again, back to the anecdote about the rhino. Decide - and the rhino as always on the drum.

[Observer2014]

"atalef" - Well done! I noticed my comment.
First of all, tell the Armenians about rhinos
Secondly :

China is not an ally and why the hell is Syria?

Who? To you?
Thirdly:

Yes, they have already surfaced - China generally on the drum

Are you ready to swear by the citizenship of Israel that those photos on YouTube were not fake? Okay, the last bust, or else you’re fading to Germany, as a representative of the most injured
And the last thing. "Damn him" run after the "professor" in the next office

[atalef]

Quote: Observer2014

First of all, tell the Armenians about rhinos

What does the Armenians have to do with it?

Quote: Observer2014

Who? To you?

What to us?

Quote: Observer2014

Are you ready to swear by the citizenship of Israel that those photos on YouTube were not fake?

What photos ?

Quote: Observer2014

. "Damn him" run after the "professor" in the next office

[Observer2014]

Little fluffy bat "atalef". By the way, mice are flying, despite all superstitions, cute fluffy animals.
So.

What does the Armenians have to do with it?

You’ll ask them. After all, I have found what is atalef "And what is connected with atalef in Israel. Do you especially happen to be from the wrong organization?: עברית
By the way, they are engaged in: "Athelf cares about the people behind the mission: We make sure their personal needs are taken care of. We support their side with ready-made programs and tailor-made services for them. Since they give everything they can - we give what we can. We strive to make their life a little easier wherever possible. "translation in the machine but the meaning will be clear
And one more thing: The Airborne Sabotage Community Full Database creates a platform for members to weave and transcend. Quality messaging meetings are made to increase collaboration among more than 2000 Atheilf members. Do you need to continue, or mow under normal boys? But are you from Israel? Or are you introducing a blizzard between us and Israel !? Ah! The bat?

[atalef]

Quote: Observer2014

are you from the wrong organization?: עברית
By the way, they are engaged in: "Athelf cares about the people behind the mission: We make sure their personal needs are taken care of. We support their side with ready-made programs and tailor-made services for them. Since they give everything they can - we give what we can. We strive to make their life a little easier wherever possible. "automatic translation but the meaning will be clear
And one more thing: The Airborne Sabotage Community Full Database creates a platform for members to weave and transcend. Quality messaging meetings are made to increase collaboration among more than 2000 Atheilf members.

What the hell is that written? Is it like a Chinese menu translation?

[Observer2014]

What the hell is that written? Is it like a Chinese menu translation? Do bats always respond so quickly? or is it their professional?

[kotvov]

Is China not an ally and why the hell is Syria ?,
in general, personnel are forged there that will constitute a problem for China itself.

[atalef]

Quote: kotvov

Is China not an ally and why the hell is Syria ?,
in general, personnel are forged there that will constitute a problem for China itself.

I want to see someone who decides for himself and the first to create a problem for China.
You know the old adage - How many wolves do not feed, but the elephant is thicker.

[Observer2014]

atalef

I want to see someone who decides for himself and the first to create a problem for China.
You know the old adage - How many wolves do not feed, but the elephant is thicker. hi

And from this we have to start! Where the Russian bear does not go Everywhere narrow, wet and soft

[atalef]

Quote: Observer2014

atalef

I want to see someone who decides for himself and the first to create a problem for China.
You know the old adage - How many wolves do not feed, but the elephant is thicker. hi

And from this we have to start! Where the Russian bear does not go Everywhere narrow, wet and soft

Vagina or what?

[Observer2014]

Personally, your office, no matter what it is! You are just a deep throat!
And female genitals do not need to offend! You are not worthy of this earthly joy

[atalef]

Quote: Observer2014

Personally, your office, no matter what it is! You are just a deep throat!
And female genitals do not need to offend! You are not worthy of this earthly joy

what would you call a word, so as not to offend?
In the emergency drive? It seems you are too small for this, continue to watch and good luck.
Train on cats.

[Observer2014]

what would you call a word, so as not to offend?
In the emergency drive? It seems you are too small for this, continue to watch and good luck.
Train on cats. hi

This is the best summary from the "Jew"! Thanks for the appreciation. "professor" hello! And the traditional: Ay, liu, liu you with a brush

[Karlovar]

From Syria to Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan is a stone's throw, and China directly borders these countries.

[Revolver]

Quote: atalef

and the rhino, as always, on the drum.

On any rhinoceros there is a .500 caliber rifle, which is also 12.7. And do not care about animal rights advocates and all sorts of red books, if he rushing at you, pretending that he has bad hearing and eyesight. The main thing is that at this moment the rifle was at hand and loaded.

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Observer2014
Where is China as an ally with us in Syria?
China is not an ally and why the hell is Syria?

And what - Syria is already our ally?
In Syria, Russia using an unconventional method has shown that it is a global player. At the same time, it restored and extremely strengthened its influence in the Middle East, forced to reckon with itself. Well, she solved a bunch of problems, and she showed an army with weapons. And as for the fact that Syria is our ally - let me doubt it. Russia pursues its interests, including in the fight against Islamic radicalism, but the semi-dictatorial regime in Syria does not become Russia's ally from this ...

[Karlovar]

That there were military victories you propose to establish another world war ???

[Maxom75]

And I about it. Abroad, you need to buy only what we ourselves do not do, the rest is done by ourselves. And do not care what quality potatoes in Egypt and Algeria, how many crops Algeria takes. It is necessary to engage in their own production and then the currency in the state is enough for everything and the exchange rate will be interesting. Try to bring in at least kg of apples to the USA, it won’t work, and they’ll carry us with wagons. You might think there are none of your own, but they want their own rotting networks for 20 rubles each. own, and imported 40 take. That's right, for every kg from the EU or China there is a state subsidy, and we subsidize the rate for banks. Banks do not grow bread, do not pour steel, do not make machines. When will they understand this?

[Makk]

we subsidize the rate to banks. banks do not grow bread, do not pour steel, do not make machines. When will they understand this?

Calm down, they are in the know.

[Maxom75]

Yes, I don’t worry. It is a shame for me for the people and the Power, from the country of the creator they turned into the country of a trader.

[niksan2002]

Trade, engine of progress. So you have to trade with everyone, but trade at a loss to yourself.

[Maxom75]

It’s good to trade when you trade your goods with other countries, and when you sell someone else’s product within your own country, it is a threat to your market and very bad.

[Karlovar]

Buy-sell is called.

[atalef]

Quote: Maxom75

And I about it. Abroad, you need to buy only what we ourselves don’t do, the rest we do ourselves

Well, it is, just a little

Quote: Maxom75

It is necessary to engage in their own production and then the currency in the state is enough for everything

Good advice . Cap

Quote: Maxom75

Try to bring in at least kg of apples to the USA, it won’t work, and they’ll carry us with wagons.

So in the USA its apples roll.

Quote: Maxom75

You might think your no

Why not, I mean to think.

[Maxom75]

They will do it when the state will give priority to its producers, and not arrange an auction with an offer around the world. Western concerns are dumped at first, and then when our producers die sharply raise prices or put forward accompanying conditions are unacceptable to us. Well, you have to think at least two moves forward. the money now invested in our own science, small-scale, and later serial production, will bring about the creation of industries in the future. And everything is being built with us (except for the military-industrial complex) as a business project with a horizon of 3-5 years, and then even the grass does not grow. The country as a person should make plans for life, and not for an hour. About the apples. Have you been in the Tambov Region, Krasnodar Territory, Ossetia, Krachayevo-Cherkessia for a long time? Everything is in apples, rotting underfoot, the network that year decided to sell at a price. A friend works in the network, so they were given the task of pushing the manufacturer in price, because it was necessary to compensate for losses from the jump in the dollar and the euro, as well as to compensate for losses from previously paid batches of apples in the EU. The purchase price was set at 5 rubles. kg In their stores, apples are cheaper than 60 rubles. not observed, i.e. sanctions were again compensated by residents and agricultural producers, and the networks had nothing to do with it.

[kotvov]

Why not, I mean, think. ,,
that's why you do not like it, arrogance, look, let me think.

[Kos_kalinki9]

atalef

Well, it is, just a little

Alexander, sorry for the familiarity, let me disagree with you. Although I will start with the opposite, and not breaking the comments into citations. Little is done, but little, but in the sphere of consumption. those. computers, hamburgers, cheeseburgers, chickpea clothes. etc. (there is no need to find fault with etc.). I agree to all 120%. But, in principle, you can live without it. Yes, there were and are that are tied to the outskirts of the defense engines. Yes, the sanctions, of course, affected our production. And tell me at least 1 (ONE) country on the globe that would do EVERYTHING. So we are doing a lot. Well, even the Americans cannot yet, especially for you, I emphasize, for now, do without the Russian Federation in space (don't talk about Dragon- damp and expensive). And so - well, let them invent, maybe once again they will "land on the moon" Well, so - not everything is clear. Yes, in the USSR and now we are lagging behind in the production of consumer goods, but otherwise, sorry, not everything is so simple. (And in ballet we are ahead of the rest of the world - , and this is an important factor

[atalef]

Quote: Kos_kalinki9

yes a little, but in the field of consumption. those. computers, hamburgers, cheeseburgers, clothes etc. (etc. you don’t need to find fault). I agree to all 120%. But, in principle, you can live without it.

I do not think that Russia will be able to live without import

Quote: Kos_kalinki9

And tell me at least 1 (ONE) country on the globe that would do EVERYTHING.

States

Quote: Kos_kalinki9

.Well, even the Americans cannot yet, especially for you, for the time being, do without Russia in space (don’t talk about Dragon, it’s damp and expensive).

Maybe they all understand this very well.

Quote: Kos_kalinki9

Yes, in the USSR and right now we are behind in the production of consumer goods, but in the rest, I'm sorry, not everything is so simple

That's just for consumer goods - there are no problems, but otherwise
http://delyagin.ru/articles/90875-reanimatciya-importozameshcheniya-provalilas.h
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[g1v2]

Funny koment - had fun. Do not worry about imports - we have a positive trade balance (we export almost 2 times more than we import). Even if somehow we cannot produce something ourselves, although I can’t imagine what it could be other than dollars, we’ll buy it. Maybe even if you have something that interests us.
About the fact that the most import-dependent country in the world is the United States, which produces 23 percent of world goods and services, and consumes 40, it can certainly provide its market with this interesting statement. We want to see.
Well, as for space, in principle, I agree - if we stop selling engines, then their import mattresses will be replaced in a few years - not by Newton’s bin.
Well, only an emigrant can take Delyagin’s market nonsense at face value, because he really wants to believe that everything is bad in the Russian Federation without him, otherwise he would leave for a fig?

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Kos_kalinki9
And tell me at least 1 (ONE) country on the globe that would do EVERYTHING.
States

And iPhones too?
The states just practically refused the production of consumer goods, transferred, so to speak, production to China and Southeast Asia ...

[atalef]

Quote: andj61

And iPhones too?
The states just practically refused the production of consumer goods, transferred, so to speak, production to China and Southeast Asia ...

Andrey, there is a very big difference between what some cannot do, while others do not want to.
It's like with tar anegdote -
Professor addresses the audience and asks
- name me a person who wants but cannot
- All in chorus - Impotent
And now, who can, but does not want?
- Silence and suddenly from the back rows, a female sobbing voice
- With in about l about h, he, with about l about h !!!!

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

Andrey, there is a very big difference between what some cannot do, while others do not want to.

Let’s omit the joke, try it differently. Once the United States flew to the moon. Appropriate technologies, equipment, missiles, devices, etc. were developed. Time has passed - and now all this needs to be created anew. But to renew that old program is not realistic - both the elemental base and just the smallest components have changed - and everything needs to be re-created. So, the production of consumer goods in the United States, if necessary, will also need to be re-created. As well as the production of a heap of components that they are not currently producing. And equipment for the production of components. And equipment for the production of this equipment. These are real years, maybe five to seven years - in the absence of war. In peacetime - this can be done, but it makes no sense. And in the event of a conflict - with China, for example, you don’t even need nuclear weapons - everything will fall apart due to broken ties ... And if nuclear weapons are also used ...

[atalef]

Quote: andj61

time has passed - and now all this needs to be recreated

Consumer goods? You're laughing . with modern technologies, it is possible to establish production of consumer goods in any country within half a year, and if there are highly qualified personnel, even faster. But to develop an iPhone - alas.

[Revolver]

Quote: Maxom75

Try to import at least kg of apples in the USA

That was the last time I bought apples, each had a neat sticker with the words [Produce of Chile]. Yes, and they sell here not per kg, but to pounds

[atalef]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Maxom75

Try to import at least kg of apples in the USA

That was the last time I bought apples, each had a neat sticker with the words [Produce of Chile]. Yes, and they sell here not per kg, but to pounds

He meant to bring it in, they’ll catch it at the airport and, thanks for not pushing it - where it is not necessary

[Maxom75]

The product is made in Chile, and on the plantations of an American company. How much subsidy does a farmer receive in the USA, Canada, the EU and ours? We have so much support for agriculture that the support per ha is 5000 rubles, and the land tax is 25000 rubles. + fuel is getting more expensive just in time for sowing + turnover tax 10%, contribution to networks 25%, state duties of 15000 per hectare of cultivated land. In the US, 400-500 dollars per ha, in Canada 350-450 dollars per ha, in the EU 500 euro per ha. So where do they value their manufacturer?

[krops777]

China, in fact, was never a friend, it always pursued only its own interests. Why only it does not reach our leaders.

[Bronik]

another "brotherhood forever" with Beijing.

Friendship for the Chinese is only the observance of their interests. It always has been.

[Igor V]

Quote: bronik

another "brotherhood forever" with Beijing.

Friendship for the Chinese is only the observance of their interests. It always has been.

Therefore, none of the neighbors loves the Chinese.

[Greenwood]

Pff, the vast majority of countries do not like each other.

[Karlovar]

In politics between countries there is no concept of "friendship", there are "interests" ... The policy of the Anglo-Saxons in the last 500 years is a vivid example of this!

[Anglorussian]

Not only leaders, many believe in brotherhood forever, despite the close ties between the Chinese and American economies, as well as attempts to populate Russian lands. And then them ... bench press ..

he always pursued only his own interests

[slava84]

Everything reaches our leaders! This is us on TV "scratching" all kinds of garbage, like "not everything is lost", there are still friends. Calm down the population. There are no trade and other relations with the west, so we will look to the east. But in fact, they do not want to do business with us in the east, at least to our advantage.
We must move ourselves.
Back in 2014, when every hour they were shouting on TV how good the Chinese are and how much they are friends with us, I said that this was nonsense. They generally do not mind to profit from our lands. Those "smart-ass" comrades!

[Orang]

Quote: slava84

Back in 2014, when on TV every hour they shouted what good fellows were Chinese and how much they are friends with us,

Here, in VO, this topic was very popular. How many pictures of fraternizing bear and dragon. But the big brother in these relations has not been Russia for a long time, not the 50s of the last century with the mighty USSR and China just emerging from the Middle Ages.

[Karlovar]

I’ll tell you one terrible secret! The main geopolitical competitor, read, the enemy of the United States in terms of its total power today is not Russia at all, but China! And Russia, more precisely, destabilization or the elimination of sovereignty, and then statehood in Russia, is just a springboard in the confrontation with China .... For geographically and resourcefully, the Russian Federation is either a reliable rear of China (and the rear must be stable), or a ram against China ( the ram must be unstable, sovereign, ideally divided) ...

[Karlovar]

A man without hope, actually not a man, cattle, rather ..... The Chinese do not take investments (according to Khramchikhin) -badly, they do not help in difficult times! The Chinese want to make investments (transferring plants in 12 sectors), too bad, they want to win economically, they want to come together with the plants! You already decide what you want and what is good, what is bad ..... And then a complete split somehow turns out ...

[Maxom75]

And our leaders generally get it tight. They all live in dreams, while the rest of the world lives on national interests. we take on new commitments on climate, and China, USA, India spat on them. What do we need most of all? What kind of idiocy? we are building nuclear power plants around the world, and the electricity itself is already priced in the United States. What do we have such income? Why don't we build new generating capacities? Why not invest in energy storage projects, there are a lot of developments. Why didn’t they establish the production of aluminum alloy in strength equal to 50-60 units. Shore? After all, there is such a development and, moreover, ours. We buy everything abroad, but you have your own. Why didn’t they establish the construction of a typical low-rise housing, with our open spaces? Yes, at least they would start building roads without laying asphalt on gravel, but at least on a 20-25cm concrete pillow as in the USA, China, France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Canada. Stop stupid, we have a country, not a business project.

[niksan2002]

And who said that China is a friend. I hear everywhere, a good partner.

[Tusv]

Beijing announced the construction of a transport corridor in the framework of the Silk Road project, bypassing Russia - through Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey with the further connection of Ukraine to it.

Isn’t it about that train train, which did not wait for Chinese goods?
Well, the Chinese simply do not keep up with Ukrainian know-how.
And we pay in rubles, not hryvnia

[Karlovar]

Well, yes, Khramchikhin had in mind this train traveled! What speaks of his (Khramchikhin) low qualification! He works poorly, however, I don’t understand what he’s paid for, actually!

[Masya masya]

The key word is "virtual ally", this has already happened ... Russian and Chinese are brothers forever ... one must not forget one's interests ...

[Lt. Air Force stock]

China has a huge trade turnover with the West, therefore, in pursuit of its interests, it refrained from engaging on either side.

[Odysseus]

Ooh, Khramchikhin and China, well, it's just an eternal topic
Thank you that even today he does not write that China is about to invade Russia. About eight years ago, he printed articles with such pearls in batches))

[Roman 11]

Quote: Odyssey

Eight years ago, he printed articles with such pearls in batches))

Kitafob?

[Odysseus]

Quote: Novel 11

Kitafob?

No, it’s a completely standard worker in the Western ideological machine. Quarrel, and even better, the war between Russia and China is their main goal.
And there are fools who believe him ..

[Anglorussian]

We give back oil / gas, the Far East, fish shallows, since there would have been no war ...

And there are fools who believe him

[Odysseus]

Quote: Anglorussian

We give back oil / gas, the Far East, fish shallows, since there would have been no war ...

What did the whole Far East give? And the men do not know))
Well, it’s clear to you from the UK that you know better what and to whom we give
I was especially pleased about "giving oil / gas". I'll tell you a terrible secret to your UK, we also "give" gas.

[Anglorussian]

We are more Norwegians and the Dutch give gas. And we pay. At the market price. And China, what about the prices in the contract? In our stores, Pacific salmon is made in China. Where are the Chinese catching him? (The fish is northern — not in China). And the men also do not yet know about the transfer of industry — until the Chinese brothers and their families arrived.

gave the entire Far East?

Do not weigh yet ...

[Karlovar]

So the Norwegians also give gas-oil so that there is no war ???

[Karlovar]

We give oil and gas to the Anglo-Saxons, this is Karasho! But we give oil and gas to the Chinese, it’s foolish !!! And according to Ukrainians, 4 million Chinese lumberjacks already live in the Far East, in their special cities, with their governors (from lumberjacks), their police, their banks. And another eight million lumberjacks are planned to arrive in my opinion .. . So that behind the times, comrade!

[Karlovar]

Especially disfigured believe him ... Actually, he makes a bet on this, so to speak, his own audience.

[Karlovar]

In passing, these 8 years he was sitting without work, due to low qualifications, in colloquial terms, mediocrity ... Well, today they will also come down, they’ll send everyone into battle: lame, oblique, with flat feet, dementia. ..

[kush62]

The fact is that certain sanctions against the Russian Federation were introduced by the USA, Canada, EU countries, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, Montenegro, Ukraine, Moldova, Albania, Georgia, Japan, Australia, New Zealand. In total, these are 42 countries from 192 countries that are members of the UN, that is 21,88% of the recognized states of the world. Thus, China was only among the 150 countries (or 149, if Russia itself is excluded) that maintained their previous relations with Russia.

The most terrible sanctions from Georgia, Albania, Moldova, Liechtenstein. It is also difficult for us from the sanctions of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.
As many as 42 countries imposed sanctions, while the previous relations were only 149 countries. Some garbage.

[Roman 11]

Quote: kush62

The worst sanctions from Georgia, Albania, Moldova, Liechtenstein

The article on all points is controversial ...... for example, China by the power of the economy is comparable to several dozens countries at the bottom of the chart.

[Karlovar]

An article is custom-made, like Khramchikhin himself, all custom-made.

[31rus2]

Dear, China is developing rapidly and it is foolish to think that in the struggle for resources, everything will be as before, as soon as China feels our weakness, you can be sure that it will certainly take advantage of this military force, rather, on the contrary, the prospect of China's "friendship" with The United States, so far it does not seem real, but too many of them bind them together and these powers will still find common ground, if Russia does not interfere, now China is simply interested in Russia, tomorrow it’s gone, other alliances with our current friends are possible, again with one goal is resources, which is precisely why it is necessary to "work" with China very closely in all directions and closely monitor any changes in relation to us in Russia and react accordingly

[Karlovar]

Safety Day was held this month in China. As part of this day, a cartoon was played on the theme "Be on the alert, do not fall for the spell of the seducers who want to find out our secrets" .... Seducers: ..... Batman, Superman , Captain America, Spider-Man ............. This is me for the potential "friendship" of the PRC-USA ...

[azbukin77]

Great RUSSIA has two allies - the Army and the Navy !!!

[Masya masya]

You can only rely on yourself ....

[parafoiler]

Indeed: do not believe, do not be afraid, do not ask ...

[vladfill]

"..... China is a virtual ally ...."
China is no ally. If some of our, as it were, allies, with all their reverences, have cookies in their pocket,
then behind the bows, benevolent smiles, China hides something more dangerous and still not ours
diplomacy, not understood by politicians.

[Masya masya]

This also applies to the country ...

[Grandfather Eugene]

Thinly spotted. It seems to me that this cunning Raven, by analogy with the Chinese proverb, sitting on a tree, would not have agreed long ago with the Eagle attacking the Polar Bear about betrayal in exchange for a piece of the bear .. however.

[Karlovar]

On the eve of the Russo-Japanese War, rumors about a Chinese "threat" were popular in society ... Then in 1904, in the Battle of Tsushima, he sent all the fleets of the Russian Empire to the bottom ... ... it seems like not a Chinese fleet ...

[Pvi1206]

In Russia, all allies are virtual.
They declare themselves allies only want to get something from Russia.
Therefore, we need to rely only on our armed forces, fleet and aviation ...

[atalef]

Quote: Pvi1206

In Russia, all allies are virtual.

Can you name them?

[Speedy]

An ally is generally a conditional concept. This is all clear. It is incomprehensible constant articles Khramchikhina about the Chinese threat. More precisely, if you carefully read them, then it is clear to whom it is a rhetorical question.

[Karlovar]

Beneficial to Khramchikhin's employer ... It's simple.

[Dulat]

Ancient proverb: "Do not trust an alliance with the mighty"

[CORNET]

It's a shame of course, they hoped for support ... But as they say, everything that is not being done for the better! For Russia, such a shake-up is useful so as not to forget who our main and most reliable ALLY has been, is and will be at all times!
And the Chinese and others will regret it, I smell the genes! Let's break through to all spite ...

[Grave With Cross 3]

Finally, a normal article appeared. And then all these snots about the Chinese brothers have already gotten.
"Selected PLA motorized rifle units are conducting military exercises on the borders with Russia (translation of material from Chinese sources).
The motorized rifle brigade of the 39th Army of the Shenyang Military District (which is deployed in the north of the country, near the border with Russia) conducted military exercises in winter conditions.
With heavy snowfalls and low temperatures, motorized rifle formations of the ground forces continue to conduct military exercises to improve troops in "real combat conditions"
It is noteworthy that it is the snowy terrain and severe frosts, according to the Ministry of Defense of China that are “real combat conditions”. A reasonable question arises, with what enemy is the Celestial Empire going to fight? Obviously not with Taiwan.
In addition, facts such as the solid military budget of China, the continuous modernization and purchase of modern military equipment, and the conduct of exercises with the transfer of troops over long distances greatly displace the balance of forces with the northern neighbor. According to the Chinese themselves, the so-called "union" with Russia is nothing more than a temporary phenomenon and will be used to achieve economic and military superiority. And then, under the influence of sanctions, the Russian government will agree to any conditions with the Middle Kingdom. This is the real point of view of the Chinese, which for obvious reasons is not published by the official media.
Original article from the website of the Ministry of Defense of China:
高清: 第 39 集团军 机 步 旅 新兵 漫天 飞雪 中 训练
2 月 22 日 ， 辽 南 地区 普降 大雪 ， 气温 骤降。 陆军 第 39 集团军 某 机 步 旅 充分 抓住 这一 有利 时机 开展 实战 化 训练 ， 不断 锤炼 部队 作战 能力。 （姜云峰 摄影 报道 "

[RuSFr]

and what else to say to the personnel of the armed forces - they should always have the image of a potential enemy. The United States is far away - not to swim to the ground forces, for Taiwan the number of ground forces is excessive. It’s just military-political work with personnel

[midshipman]

Yes, it is a pity that the Chinese forgot the fighting of the Red Army to liberate China. Mutual support is extremely necessary for both us and the PRC. Need to work. I have the honor.

[1536]

When the limited contingent of Soviet troops in Afghanistan was engaged in the fight against terrorists and bandits at the request of the government of this country, China, together with the United States, armed, supplied, trained, treated, nurtured and nurtured the Afghan "opposition" - mujahideen / dushmans. This was called the fight against Soviet hegemonism.
Some 20-30 years have passed since then. China has become a world workshop for the production of consumer goods, where, as a reward for loyalty, and, often, open assistance in the fight against the USSR, Western and American firms launched their production. But due to the huge population, living mainly in the countryside, China is still very far from the standard of living of developed countries. And they are unlikely to allow this country to outstrip them in development, still considering the Chinese as insects. But China cherishes these thoughts. Now Africa is very much subordinate to the Chinese comrades, who buy land there, extract minerals, etc. Here they came face to face with the Americans (this can be seen on the example of the torn apart Congo, when the country was divided into two warring states). Hence the "warming" in Russian-Chinese relations. They want to play us off with the West completely, but themselves, according to their habit, "sit on a mountain and watch two tigers in the valley tear each other apart." It was their parable that went around in honor of the "Monkey King" during the time of the ever-memorable "detente" in the USSR. I would tell the Chinese a firm "NO". And I would have sent it to hell. I hope that it will be like that!

[Roman 11]

For some reason, the author thinks that China should steer either Kremlin dolls, or diets. And in my opinion, such a large country, like any other, should have its own, independent policy! I repeat, the author looks at these things as zebras across the ocean - those who are not in the wake to us are the enemy. Therefore, you can polemize on all counts

Well, yes, the child understands that our gain is not profitable for him - neither military nor economic !!

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, our state of the 90s level is not profitable for him ....

Let the author first think for China. And thinking, he will say - they are not at all interested in our weakening !!

Why??

Yes, because China has already passed the Opium Wars, and the semi-colonial status and the Japanese occupation ----- and judging by its competent policy, he doesn’t want to return oh how much !! And so he is interested in both the BRICS and Russia as a military ally, because this is not the only way to maintain balance, but even an advantage over the greedy west. Which at the slightest chance of China will not leave neither horns nor legs.
That is why the first visit of the head took place to us - in politics this is far from a hint but a cry, we are with you! Of course, we will "butt" for individual positions, deals, countries, documents, paragraphs, etc. BUT we, as 2 huge clumsy subjects in a cramped boat, perfectly understand that we will not last long without each other - a dangerous predator has appeared in the reservoir

[Grave With Cross 3]

The expansion of China is gaining strength. You can, of course, hide your head in the sand, but ...
"Good afternoon.
The topic is developing on Chinese enterprises in the Far East. Now the Communist Party has seized its head. An article is posted on their website stating that Russia has actually given an entire region to China for industrialization. And the Chinese will work at the enterprises, they will also bring their families. Most likely this is a fee for support in the conditions of Western sanctions. So something good and the Far East can be lost.
Incidentally, the comments of the Far East on this subject are also interesting.
https://kprf.ru/dep/gosduma/activities/153831.html
V.G. Pozdnyakov: The decision to locate Chinese plants in the Far East does not take into account a lot of negative consequences
The media reported that China plans to locate some of the harmful and hazardous industries in the Far East. As it turned out, an agreement in principle on the transfer of Chinese enterprises in 12 sectors of the economy was reached during the visit of the Minister of the Russian Federation for the Development of the Far East Alexander Galushka to Beijing and was recorded in a Memorandum of Understanding, the ministry's press service said. It is planned to place such enterprises in the zone of priority development territories (TOP) and in the Free Port of Vladivostok, where environmentally hazardous projects will receive tax benefits and preferences. "

[Torins]

China, like any other normal country, will put its own interests above others. The question is that we are unlikely to understand the true interests of China. East is a delicate matter

[Anchonsha]

China is a country that acts only in its own interests. Previously, the relationship between us was much closer. who stopped counting with the entry of Crimea into Russia. There is nothing for us to be offended, well, no, and we will not have friends who are ready to share fate with Russia. But in due time we actually freed China from the Japanese, as did the same depraved geyropa from Hitler. Let's be ourselves in any situation and consider that China is the first who seems to have invested its currency in US government bonds and has a huge market in the USA

[swetlana1]

Opinions on the PRC are different. I will also try to state my point of view. I apologize in advance if some (maybe most) members of the forum do not like it.
The title of the message is "China - a virtual ally." Why only virtual? During the period of sanctions - a contract with the PRC campaigns for work of about 400 billion dollars - this is real finance. (Other fairly large-scale contracts are also being worked out. For example, the joint equipment of the Northern Sea Route, the expansion of the throughput of Russian Railways from the Far East to the western borders. The sale of military equipment to the PRC is also finances and considerable. Do they copy and try to sell VT as their own? Many in the world have sinned with this Our country is no exception. Do they occupy the first place in the world in industrial espionage? (And I wonder where we and the United States are)))) So we need to protect our interests more seriously. Selling Su-35 to China? Normally, the aircraft builders said that it would take the Chinese 5 ... 7 years to copy this aircraft - let them do it. Further, the aircraft is expected to be modernized with a new information system and engines (and not only))). The system of contracts redirects the PRC's needs for oil and gas to our market (by the way, a number of other countries too). Is it beneficial for us in the future? Yes. Is the PRC profitable? Yes. Because there was a threat of seizure of tankers and pirates unleashing a sabotage war there, incl. against tankers supplying oil to China (with the unprofitable unnamed country of the PRC foreign policy). It's strange, pirates seize ships, warships patrol the water area, and civilized relations do not allow this evil to be burned out. It seems that these are also American tame pirates (as well as semi-hand ISIS).
Our territory and our resources. This is a problem, of course. But also a possible solution is on the surface. We will not be able to reliably cover our border with Western countries in a full-scale conflict. The border with China - even more so. Therefore, it is clear to them that there is a fairly large conflict and that there will be exchanges of strategic nuclear forces. People there are very smart - they don't need such a conflict. Who needs it? There is such a country on the other side of the ocean. By the way, if I am not mistaken, back in 2009-2011, American experts came to the conclusion that a full-scale war with the PRC is inevitable. If it happens near 2040, China will win. But if you play off the Russian Federation with the PRC - that's just what you need. The Chinese also understand this, because there are only three powerful forces in the world: the United States (I am not writing NATO), the PRC, and soon there will be our country (we would have to live another 4-5 years without war))). EU, excuse me, this is a woman of easy virtue and now she is simply being played in their interests by the "partners". Therefore, we do not need friendship in an alliance (we (I do not mean us) ourselves threw friends - let's remember Cuba - when our troops were withdrawn after the collapse of the USSR; Libya - Gaddafi lived in a tent in the Kremlin - they were silent; Syria - the war for three years - and we helped six months ago). It's just politics. And a policy on economic and military interests is currently stronger than simple friendship. And since the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China would gladly embroil, we need to stick together. And it's good that the leaders of our countries and financial institutions understand this.

[RuSFr]

Are there enough nuclear units to fend off strikes along the entire border?

[vglazunov]

Chinese business or sale of Russian resources and technologies. This is how good it will be to oligarchs and crooks. Recall that the demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border in 2005 took place during the presidency of Putin. China received a number of disputed territories with a total area of ​​337 square kilometers: a plot of land in the vicinity of Bolshoi Island (the upper reaches of the Argun River in the Chita Region) and two plots in the region of the Tarabarov and Bolshoi Ussuriysky Islands at the confluence of the Amur and Ussuri Rivers.

[SCHWERIN]

This is a discovery for me! Of course, I knew about the special economic relations between China and the States, but so be it! Our affairs in the foreign policy arena are worse than ever. In Serbia, which our TV presents as a Slavic state with common values ​​with us, the ruling party, which aims at euro integration and shares their values, won. At the conference that our Defense Ministry held in Moscow, these clowns (Serbs) declared themselves neutral in the military sphere (something like that)! Those. not with us in a military alliance with the West! What is it like? In the European Union and without NATO !!! Who are they holding us for? For downs? The Montenegrins in the European Union announced sanctions to us. Before the revolution, their entire officer corps studied in Russia and the Tsar allocated them money for the army! Yes, Russia that we lost ......

[3vs]

Not even discussed!
No one but ourselves will help us!
Everyone with pleasure will try to kick us into the bog with their feet, so as not to get out,
that the Naglo-Saxons with their "comrades", that our imaginary friends.
Each cares about his own.

Well, all Orthodox with the Feast - Christ is Risen!
The blessed fire descended in Jerusalem, which means we live on!

[Balagan]

China has always led its game. He is not a friend to us, but not an enemy yet. Shenyang District has always been imprisoned in our Far East.

[Grave With Cross 3]

But the Chinas in Damansky. Something there is not visible brothers Slavs. They betrayed and drained the blood of our soldiers.
"On the official website of the Ministry of Defense of the People's Republic of China, there are photographs of Chinese border guards serving on Damansky Island (珍XNUMX, Zhenbaodao, literal translation from Chinese -" Precious Island. " This clearly demonstrates the love of the Chinese people for their land. For them, this piece of land is sacred. After all, the Chinese soldiers who were defending their homeland from the Soviet invaders died here. "

[Vadim237]

900 Chinese soldiers were killed there, trying to capture our island and border territories - the guys learned a lesson.

[Grave With Cross 3]

Quote: Vadim237

900 Chinese soldiers were killed there, trying to capture our island and border territories - the guys learned a lesson.

And as a result, they seized Damansky and set up a museum of military glory for their Chinese "heroes" there? Maybe you shouldn't flatter yourself ?!

[Vadim237]

They did not capture him - our authorities transferred it to China in the 90s and a number of other territories.

[Grave With Cross 3]

In fact Damansky them, then achieved their goal. Now it is a symbol of their victory. Propaganda is a terrible force. Well, then according to the scheme. There is experience.

[weksha50]

"neither in Crimea and Ukraine, nor in Syria China’s interests do not coincide with Russian"...

Yes, they, in fact, never coincided ... Maybe sometimes, on some temporary layers, and then - China saw a cash cow in the USSR ... This is well described in Vladimirov's book "Special Region of China" ...

And if we take into account the territorial and demographic problems of China and such tasty territories of the neighbor, then there is nothing to talk about any friendship ...

At VO, opposing opinions often clash, and some defend the Chinese, saying that no expansion should be expected from them ...

It follows, and as it should ...

Neither we nor the United States are friends with him, but opponents in achieving his hidden goal - gaining world domination ... And he is slowly and slowly approaching this, both quantitatively and qualitatively ...

[swetlana1]

Do we have the same position with China about Taiwan?
Why should their foreign policy position coincide with ours - if this does not increase their financial interest. And about Syria, it’s not all that simple. For example, China would not mind the operation of a naval base with us there. Maybe in this we will go in time to meet them?

[DRAGZzz154]

Yes, in the ass this China and all that is outside the borders of our country, it’s high time to feed the sowing and dressing ourselves, otherwise fraternal peoples, fraternal peoples ... all have their own interests, the Russian person has no quick-eyed brother, there is only a Russian one. And without Chinese iPhones and clothes, I think we ourselves will stretch.

[mark_rod]

Quote: Observer2014

Many people write: China is a superpower, and so on and so on. China will never be a superpower without military victories! Without military victories, China is just a giant factory. And that's all. Where is China as an ally with us in Syria? They sit in Beijing and think: God forbid, MANPADS with the stigma "pop up" at Kytay " And if MANPADS or something else come up, then something must be decided!

About victories in wars it is truly said! China lost the war with Vietnam, no one-millionth army helped against the experienced Vietnamese army, which it recruited in a slaughterhouse with mattresses!

[avg-mgn]

Beijing has acted and will continue to act in Chinese, not in Russian, interests.

And why should such a fright be the other way around? So if it doesn’t lick, is it an enemy right away? Strange conclusion, however ...

[Grave With Cross 3]

And this is what our Chinese "partners" were doing with our soldiers in Damansky.
"At night, our scouts gathered dead bodies. Their appearance was terrible. The Chinese killed the seriously wounded with bayonets, their ears were cut off from the dead, their eyes were gouged out. Beast, in a word. With red quotes from Mao.
http://tverdyi-znak.livejournal.com/1441979.html"
Such Chinese "friends" and to the moon would sooner ...

[swetlana1]

You still remember what German soldiers did with our prisoners of war and civilians during the Second World War. Propaganda is a terrible thing ... With such propaganda, we have beaten quite a few in 30-40 years. Maybe we Russians too? How do you think)))

[Grave With Cross 3]

Quote: swetlana1

You still remember what German soldiers did with our prisoners of war and civilians during the Second World War.

Why remember? And so nothing is forgotten. It seems you have forgotten everything. In Ukraine, too, everyone forgot. Here Bandera and came.

[RuSFr]

Bandera in the form of RUH in Ukraine have been since the 90s. It’s just that they were organized, but civil citizens didn’t. And propaganda is a great thing. In mid-May 2014, in May, the GRU colonel told that they had a fight with his brother (lives in Kharkov) over the telephone about Russia's foreign policy. And both are ethnic Russians.
Those who came brought up and paid. Could and banderlogov from Africa lead

[Grave With Cross 3]

And here is what Vysotsky sang about them.
"ONCE ONCE, QUOTES MAO READ ...

Once, quotes Mao read,
They came to us with his large portrait,
We then slightly violated the statute ...
You know the rest through the newspapers.

I remembered the song, I remembered the verse,
As if they whispered in my ear:
"Stalin and Mao are listening to them," -
That's why the mess.

With the support of mortar fire,
Silently, slowly, as if on a hunt,
Chinese army ran to me, -
Later it turned out - in the number of companies.

Before - bite your elbows, but don’t shoot,
It’s better to drink condensed cocoa at home, -
But today they ordered: not to let, -
Now you shish, but Pasaran, comrade Mao!

I used to shoot from the knee - on the run -
I'm not used to just slow decisions
I used to shoot an imaginary enemy
And now it will have to live targets.

Mines are falling, and the company is rushing -
Who can - on water, without knowing the ford ...
What a shame - this same mortar
We gave the Chinese people.

For a long time - the great helmsman - crawled out,
And now, not resting on this,
Our brothers lay down - and fired ...
You know the rest through the newspapers.

Vladimir Vysotsky. 1969 g. "

[RuSFr]

good message

[WERSTA.]

The leaders of China, even emperors, albeit general secretaries, in the entire history of their country have never been friends with any country. You should not expect friendly relations from China. We are two large countries and we will never have close relations. Well, perhaps, if China becomes difficult ... All stratagems from 1-36 about the Chinese art of living and surviving, and the very name of China "Celestial Empire" speak only of state egoism aimed at its own greatness. But! If there were no Russia and USSR, then there would be no China

[Sergei64]

Everything is going right, we don’t have such a gift for allies, they are not reliable ones, and are planning something.
He is hoping for the current, for the current we will survive, we will live on, and let these virtual bites among themselves, virtual partners.

[Yak28]

China as the United States during World War II, we kind of are with you and on your side, but we won’t open a second front

[Greenwood]

China was under Japanese occupation during the war. What is the second front ?!

[bad]

Ketayans freeloaders in terms of theft of high technology .. Moreover, unlike dill, they can dig out the real sea and not the virtual one .. that's why they are the most dangerous .. in us they build a 500 megawatt power unit .. so here they are by hand! They tied the tower crane around with ropes and I repeat MANUAL once again .. picked it up ... but didn’t calculate it and it fell on the crowd. 5 Chinese minus .. do you think someone declared mourning in China? .. no .. they crawl everywhere like cockroaches .. Trinity tower crane collapsed and killed 5 Chinese | Incidents | AIF Chelyabinsk
http://www.chel.aif.ru/incidents/842689 В Челябинской области выясняют причины падения башенного крана | Россия 24 | Видео новости на Newstube.ru
http://www.newstube.ru/media/v-chelyabinskoj-oblasti-vyyasnyayut-prichiny-padeni


ya-bashennogo-krana

[demo]

In particular, Beijing has acted and will continue to act in Chinese, and not in Russian, interests. These interests are completely different, so there is no union between us and never will be. It is very strange that the Kremlin does not understand this. Here, by the way, the story with Russian-Turkish relations was almost completely repeated: the Kremlin for many years managed not to notice the fact that the geopolitical interests of Moscow and Ankara (especially after Erdogan came to power) are not just different, but diametrically opposite. And he managed to be very surprised at the Su-24 shot down by the Turks over Syria.

China has not shot down our plane. But perhaps this is the only difference between him and Turkey and is exhausted. And only for now.

All that needs to be said, the author said.

And it’s not clear what the cons were.
After all, no matter how bitterly admit, this is indeed so.
China is not our brother. And before it was not and tomorrow will not.
We are too different.

And correctly, the author focuses on the misunderstanding of individual leaders in the Kremlin how to behave with China.
Although the behavior is understandable enough.
Until a certain moment, relations between Russia and Western countries were priority in all respects.
With China, too, everything turned out more or less.
But China is a keen dragon. He carefully observes everything that passes both next to him and over the ocean.
How can China begin to wage a struggle with us against "developed democracies" if all of its foreign trade is 70 percent concentrated with them?
This is really "bees against honey".

The main mistake of our leadership is that they forget the main tenet of Chinese philosophy to wait patiently "when the corpse of your enemy floats down the river."
Russia can never count on sincere friendship with China, due to overpopulation of China and ruined ecology.
Not far off is the day when a couple of hundred million Chinese decide to move to a more favorable habitat.
With clean air, with clean water. with not poisoned soil.
Do you happen to know where in the vicinity there is such a piece of land?

That is the same thing.

[Denis Skiff]

It is very strange that the Kremlin does not understand this.

Alexander, are you sure that they don’t understand this in the Kremlin? We understand, and there they understand.

[NordUral]

A very subtle game of the Kremlin?

[NordUral]

It would be time for the top leaders in Moscow to understand that we have no allies and act on the basis of this indisputable fact. We are a self-sufficient country, and we do not live in complete isolation, which we cannot do (for now) ourselves, you can buy from these or these. And they won’t give what to buy - another reason for development. Just do not have illusions, but act in the style of hard pragmatism.

[Viktr458]

right, we only have companions

[VB]

Largely correct article. China is not our friend and never will be. An insignificant laurel, having lost and not made friends, grasped Beijing as if it were the last straw and betrays our relationship as a victory. Beijing, on the other hand, is building its relationship with us from the perspective of a strong and rich uncle, and we are bending and pleading before it. In anticipation of a major war, which is slowly developing from Syria and Iraq, it will inevitably creep through Afghanistan, where it is already hot, to Central Asia, and then the Orenburg steppes and the Urals. And also a blow to Armenia, but we cannot but parry. Who will guarantee that the Americans, at last on the outskirts, do not slam the door so that the Zaporizhzhya NPP is burning or the Nazi battalions do not organize a bloody provocation on the border or terrorist attacks in Russian cities? I think that Putin is well aware of the possibility of such a development of events, only why he does not mobilize the economy and nationalize industry, I personally, do not understand at all. Well, he’s not a suicide. And what is going on with education, does he want to finally unite the people? The best education in the world was changed to ege. The people do not want such a government and economic course.

[SCHWERIN]

It seems Putin wants to renew power. See, 1. The appointment of Pamfilova in the Central Executive Committee. She is a decent person, in my opinion, will not make concessions. His statement was renewed at 70% dep. Bldg. There are only a few deputies at a talk show on TV. They say pretty smartly, they know their job. Where are the others?
2. Communication with representatives of the NF. It happens very often. PR? I don’t think so. The GDP rating is already high.
3. Failure to launch missiles from the East. Tough sloppy statement guide. Incomplete official compliance of the director of one plant. Wording as a serviceman.
4. VVP leads almost ALL meetings. The question is - where is the prime minister?
It looks like the GDP realized that it is necessary to clean the tops. An influx of fresh strength is needed. Stayed, overgrown with ties, learned to blur problems.
I think the upheaval of the entire state structure is coming at the end of this year.

[Greenwood]

Quote: SCHWERIN

It seems that the GDP realized that it is necessary to carry out a cleansing of the tops.

Yeah, and for the past 16 years, what has he been doing interestingly ?! He understood, yeah.

[samoletil18]

The normal of paradise is such an article from the category "described invented writings with suitable facts." I would not be surprised to see the opposite article appear.

[Torins]

Quote: Grave With Cross 3

The expansion of China is gaining strength. You can, of course, hide your head in the sand, but ...
"Good afternoon.
The topic is developing on Chinese enterprises in the Far East. Now the Communist Party has seized its head. An article is posted on their website stating that Russia has actually given an entire region to China for industrialization. And the Chinese will work at the enterprises, they will also bring their families. Most likely this is a fee for support in the conditions of Western sanctions. So something good and the Far East can be lost.

If the Russians do not want to live there (not to dump the whole country into Moscow), then someone else will live there, a holy place does not happen to be empty ...

[behemot]

well, so that people do not tear to the east then. Why?

[Uralets]

It is very strange that the Kremlin does not understand this.

Yes, they all understand. Yes, and everyone understands this. I don’t have confidence in the Chinese .. We will observe the development of events.

[satellite24]

I watched the interview of Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov - and so, there he said that sooner or later we would still cling to China, and we need to prepare for this! (I think he is right)

[atamankko]

You only have to rely on yourself; it’s not for nothing that Russia is a great power.

[kmv.km]

That's right ...

Just please increase the number, if possible, of divisions and brigades on the border with this
"ally"!
If you sell this “ally” modern weapons and equipment, then let these weapons and equipment be 7-15 years less modern than what you have! It’s better to sell it to the “Indians”, even for less money...

In 1941, Japan did not dare to “take” the territories of the USSR, but “these guys,” if something goes WRONG, without Russian troops on the border, may well risk increasing “living space”!!!

[serg.ru]

China is not our friend or even a comrade. In Chinese textbooks, Siberia is indicated as a temporarily lost territory. The next generation is not being prepared for friendship.

[Torins]

Quote: serg.ru

China is not our friend or even a comrade. In Chinese textbooks, Siberia is indicated as a temporarily lost territory. The next generation is not being prepared for friendship.

And in Polish, all of western Belarus is also indicated. In general, we went nuts.

[Pioneer Leader]

Russia has only two allies: the Army and the Navy!!!

[vladimirvn]

The candy-bouquet period ended in nothing. It turned out that there was only naked calculation between us.

[Dock]

“I think that Putin is well aware of the possibility of such a development of events, but why he does not mobilize the economy and nationalize industry is completely unclear to me personally. Well, he is not a suicide.” - VB
He’s giving, he’s still giving! Do you want him to provoke a war with the oligarchs within Russia itself? Now is the time?

[31rus2]

Dear, China is not only a large army, it is a powerful economy, this is where we will work until Russia becomes a powerful economic power in the main and promising areas, we will continue to look for imaginary allies, make compromises, make diploma thematic curtsies, think about why they don’t even plan to attack the United States (not counting North Korea), because it is clear that a powerful economy and developed financial institutions give the United States advantages, and hence the modern armed forces, this is what needs to be developed, and not play on exchange rates, the same with China, once again, while it is beneficial for China to pursue a policy of “mutual understanding”, but we simply won’t have time to go further and there is no need for any kind of war, we will give it ourselves for money and don’t shout about sovereignty, and key industries will be in the wrong hands, quietly and without unnecessary PR, and because the beginning has already been made

[iskbor]

countries are already tied into a single system so that the space for maneuver is becoming ever smaller. Unless there are some cataclysms, it will be very difficult to achieve a better place in the sun

[Governor]

Quote: Maxom75

And our leaders generally get it tight. They all live in dreams, while the rest of the world lives on national interests. we take on new commitments on climate, and China, USA, India spat on them. What do we need most of all? What kind of idiocy? we are building nuclear power plants around the world, and the electricity itself is already priced in the United States. What do we have such income? Why don't we build new generating capacities? Why not invest in energy storage projects, there are a lot of developments. Why didn’t they establish the production of aluminum alloy in strength equal to 50-60 units. Shore? After all, there is such a development and, moreover, ours. We buy everything abroad, but you have your own. Why didn’t they establish the construction of a typical low-rise housing, with our open spaces? Yes, at least they would start building roads without laying asphalt on gravel, but at least on a 20-25cm concrete pillow as in the USA, China, France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Canada. Stop stupid, we have a country, not a business project.

It is precisely for this reason that no one cares about Russia. An obedient, poor, colonial country without any development strategy, with a criminal government, with a degrading economy and population.
Get over it already, Putin knows his job well. And Siberia is already Chinese.

[Rusyn]

Everything in the article is turned upside down. Chinese banks help a lot. They received political support for Syria from China. There is no real way around Russia. This is simply not economically profitable. so minus the article The author is a provocateur.

[Alexdark]

People, it's a disaster! Siberia is already Chinese, the Far East is Chinese, tomorrow Moscow will be Chinese.
What am I talking about? You should go to a hospital, but quickly. All dogs in China, all of them. Who doesn't give a damn about us, and more than once! But China turns out to be the main evil, for some imaginary philosophical reasons. And then let’s not forget that the USSR supported two warring parties in China in the old days. They write that China wants dominance. Well, that’s what the USSR wanted, it wanted so much that it grew into three-quarters of a sphere, that Mao officially called the USSR a fascist state. (in his own eye, right? It wouldn’t hurt to buy a mirror from the Chinese) Oh, not an ally, oh, what evil, the main enemy, after all, they have different interests. This is a discovery. Yes, everyone has different interests, their own. They had no friends. So damn, these criteria can be given to the United States, okay? Allies there are purely for money, that is, there are no friends either, and they also have their own interests. What a coincidence. And our tradition of calling everyone friends and brothers cannot be taken away, unfortunately. It’s better to have friends for money, sixes, you know who. Than all sorts of far-fetched brothers who consume even more money and then throw stones in the back. Fact! As for the threat, they say the numbers are large. So a large army does not guarantee victory. Germany, with its tiny ant squadron, successfully captured almost half the ball. Size doesn't matter. PS Waiting for the minuses from the furiously jerking fans of the article.

[behemot]

forget about the Americans and actively develop nuclear weapons. In the event of an attack by the Chinese brothers, only nuclear weapons will help against the invasion.

[Neophyte]

The credo of Chinese politics: a dragon on a mountain, watches the fight between a tiger and a bear, then descends from the mountain and finishes off the winner! Having stolen Western and Russian technologies, China made a leap in development. In particular, with the connivance of the mediocre Yeltsin, many secrets of space technology of the USSR were either stolen or sold for pennies to China. As a result, the Chinese dragon actually turned into a monster of 2 or 3 world power!

[Corsair5912]

China's policy is what is called Asian cunning.
The Chinese consider the ability to wait to see who will win and not support anyone as great wisdom.
With this wisdom, they have more than once fallen under the English, American, and Japanese boots and got out only with the help of Russia.
So our politicians should not count on the Chinese and rush to their rescue every time; let them sip what they brew themselves.

[Viktr458]

Russia is a self-sufficient country. It will be difficult without China, but we will survive on our own

[Kyrgyz]

China is a thing in itself and for itself, I don’t understand why, in the author’s opinion, he should have behaved differently, China is consistent and predictable in this, if someone expected something different from him, then this is rather the problem of the one who expected. I don’t see the slightest reason to feel resentment towards China because it doesn’t follow our interests because it has its own, which sometimes coincide and sometimes doesn’t, the wording in the article, brothers forever and allies, is generally naive and ridiculous

[exo]

I completely agree with the author. I’ll add on my own that as soon as they manage to block China’s path to the theft of other people’s technologies, it will deflate like a soap bubble. They have zero creativity.

[Roxs]

There are so many opposing forces in the world against us and China - it would be better to stick to each other
and whether there is an alliance or not is not important. It definitely won't be better alone

[cedar]

Quote: satelit24

I watched the interview George Konstantinovich Zhukov - so, there he said that sooner or later we will still get into trouble with China, and we must prepare for this! (I think he is right)

COAT OF ARMS OF MOSCOW

[Volksib]

Sun Tzu "The Art of War in Modern Interpretation")))