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Ahead of time



In the fall of the 1945 of the year, the 10-year plan of military shipbuilding was approved in the Soviet Union. 22 April 1946 of the year issued an order to transform the branch of the TsKB-17 branch, located on the territory of the present Northern shipyard, into a separate Central Design Bureau under the number 53. It is from this date that the countdown begins. история Northern Design Bureau, which has been part of United Shipbuilding Corporation since March 2007.

The activity of the newly formed bureau was aimed at the design of squadron destroyers and patrol ships. Almost the entire ocean fleet of the Soviet Union was created by its specialists, and many of the projects became truly epochal. For a number of parameters, they are recognized as a benchmark in world shipbuilding. Western experts have repeatedly pointed out that Russian ships are an excellent example of industrial design, since they combine crushing shock power, excellent protection, efficiency of engineering solutions and a dynamically aggressive architectural appearance.

Creating a modern warship is the work and intelligence of many teams and thousands of specialists from the most diverse branches of shipbuilding. And still the main role in ship design is played by the design office, the creator of the engineering structure. And the Northern PKB has been successfully solving all the tasks assigned to it for 70 years.

WHAT THE FRIGATES SING


Bureau projects have always been ahead of their time - almost every one of them has become a milestone in the history of not only domestic, but also world military shipbuilding, and at the same time a hallmark of the Northern Design Bureau. Today, in each new project, created no longer on the drawing boards, but with the help of the most up-to-date computer technology using the computer-aided design system, the most advanced technical equipment and weapon models are laid. Over the years the existence of the Northern Design Bureau for its projects was built around 500 ships and vessels.

The Northern PKB designed the first ship in the world with an anti-ship missile weapons (in the terminology of the time, “a ship with jet armament”) was a squadron destroyer of the 57-bis project (chief designer - Orest Jakob). The destroyers of the 58 project (chief designer - Vladimir Nikitin) were also created there. Because of the enormous shock power for their time after construction, they were reclassified into missile cruisers - a completely new class of ships.

The large anti-submarine ships of the 61 project (the chief designer is Boris Kupensky) were the first large combat surface ships to use gas turbines as the main power plant. They received the nickname “singing frigates” for the distinctive sound of a power plant operating at full power.

The Northern Design Bureau includes anti-submarine ships of projects 1134, 1134A, 1134B that have no analogues in the world (the main designers are Vasily Anikiev and Alexander Perkov), 1155 and 11551 (the main designers are Yevgeny Tretnikov and Valentin Mishin) and “killer aircraft carriers” - Project 1164 missile cruisers (chief designers - Alexander Perkov and Valentin Mutikhin). The bureau’s engineers created project 956 destroyers with exceptional seaworthiness, armed with anti-ship missile systems and four 130-mm universal artillery pieces (chief designers Vasily Anikiev and Igor Rubis), and project 1135 patrol ships (chief designer Nikolai Sobolev). Nowadays for Russian fleet the project 11356 created on their basis is under construction.

And finally - this is the pride of the Russian Navy's heavy nuclear missile cruiser project 1144 (chief designer - Boris Kupensky). The last in a series of four cruisers "Peter the Great" (project 11442) is the flagship of the Northern Fleet.

As part of the state defense order, work is underway to create a fundamentally new squadron destroyer, documentation is being developed for the repair and modernization of the heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov (project 11442М), on which Sevmash is working.

BLACK SEA ADMIRALS

Today, the bureau is working on designing and supporting the construction and commissioning of patrol ships and frigates of 11356 and 22350 projects. The patrol ships of the 11356 project (chief designer - Peter Vasilyev) are built at the Yantar plant of the United Shipbuilding Corporation. The lead ship "Admiral Grigorovich" transferred to the Black Sea Fleet 11 March 2016.

Two more ships of the "admiral" series - "Admiral Essen" and "Admiral Makarov" - will be commissioned until the end of 2016.

The basis of the strike armament of the patrol ship of this project is a vertical launcher designed for the impact missiles of the Caliber complex. Also, the ship is armed with 100-millimeter universal automatic artillery, anti-aircraft missile complex "Shtil-1" and two six-barreled 30-millimeter AK-630M. Anti-submarine and anti-torpedo weapons are represented by two torpedo tubes and a rocket-propelled bombing installation.

The creation of the ship was carried out taking into account the stealth technology stealth technology. In addition, measures have been taken to reduce acoustic visibility and protect against weapons of mass destruction.

One of the features of the ship is its main power plant. It consists of four gas turbine engines, but is designed so that the ship can have a course when only one turbine is operating. This achieves high efficiency of the power plant, increases the resource of its work. At one time, the decision to build guard ships of this type caused an ambiguous reaction. A number of experts pointed to the fact that the Russian fleet simultaneously orders two types of patrol ships - 11356 and 22350. However, there are objective reasons for this. First of all, the patrol ships of the 11356 project are mastered by the domestic industry. Six ships of this project were built for the naval forces of India and are being successfully operated. This greatly reduced the risks when creating ships for the domestic fleet. It should be borne in mind that these ships are designed for the Black Sea Fleet, while the 22350 frigates of the project are designed for operation in the Northern and Pacific fleets.

The 22350 frigates (chief designer Igor Shramko) are ships of a completely new quality, technology of the 21st century. Their serial construction is carried out at the Northern shipyard. The 22350 frigates of the project became the first large surface warships built in Russian shipyards after the collapse of the USSR. The lead ship, the Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov, is already undergoing state tests. The frigates "Admiral of the fleet of Kasatonov", "Admiral Golovko" and "Admiral of the fleet of the Soviet Union Isakov" are in varying degrees of readiness.

The multi-purpose frigate of the 22350 project is equipped with the most modern integrated complexes and weapon systems and provides a highly efficient solution to a wide range of combat missions. When designing a ship, elements of stealth technology were widely introduced, which ensured a reduction in the level of physical fields and, accordingly, the ship's visibility in the respective ranges. The ship is equipped with highly efficient radar, optical and electronic lighting systems for air and surface situations, powerful sonar systems, the latest generation of combat information and control systems, modern integrated radio-electronic warfare and jamming systems, as well as communication complexes.

The composition of the aviation complex provides for the deployment of a helicopter and a stock of aviation fuel. The ship is equipped with a highly economical diesel-gas turbine unit. The control of the power plant, electric power and general ship systems is carried out by the integrated control unit of technical means, equipped with the means of data exchange and being an element of the integrated ship control system.

When designing, much attention is paid to the placement of personnel. The maritime qualities of the frigate allow him to serve in any areas of the oceans, but first of all these ships are intended for the Northern Fleet.

BETTING ON MODULE



The frigate project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov." Photo courtesy of JSC "Northern PKB"

Another fundamentally new project that is being implemented for the Russian fleet at the Zelenodolsk plant to them. A.M. Gorky, - patrol ships of the far sea zone of the 22160 project (chief designer - Aleksey Naumov). This is the first Russian ship, designed with the use of a modular concept of weapons. Part of it is mounted at the construction stage and does not change during the whole service. The areas and volumes reserved during the repair or modernization can be used to accommodate additional weapons. In addition, there are special places for removable modules for various purposes, which during operation can be changed depending on the tasks. The dimensions of the modules are specially selected for the dimensions of standard sea containers. They can be installed a variety of equipment and weapons: attack missiles, medical modules, anti-mine and diving and rescue complexes and much more. In addition, a helicopter hangar and a stock of aviation fuel are provided on board. The ships of the 22160 project are notable for their good autonomy and seaworthy qualities - with a displacement of 2 KT, they will have the same seaworthiness as the frigate of the 11356 project, which is twice as large in displacement.

SEA BORDERS

The Northern Design Bureau still creates ships for Russian border guards. At the Almaz shipbuilding company and the Eastern shipyard, the serial construction of the border ships of the 22460 project (chief designer - Alexey Naumov) is carried out.

Seven ships: "Ruby", "Brilliant", "Pearl", "Emerald", "Amethyst", "Sapphire" and "Coral" - have already been handed over to the frontier service, the other five are under construction. It is planned to order two more units of the series. For the creation of the project of this ship, the design team was awarded the Prize of the Government of the Russian Federation.

The armament consists of one X-NUMX mm AK-30 artillery mount and two 306 mm Kord machineguns. Such a composition of weapons is sufficient to perform the tasks assigned to the ships of the Rubin class.

One of the main features of the project is the aft landing pad for a light Ka-226 helicopter or a helicopter unmanned aerial vehicle located aft. There is also a multifunctional hangar with a stern slip, where special equipment or high-speed inflatable boats can be placed, for example, for fast delivery of an inspection team to a vessel-intruder. All this significantly expands the functionality of small ships. Today, one project ship serves in the Caspian, four in the Black Sea and two in the Pacific. Rubin class ships can rightly be considered the new generation of patrols. They are well proven during the most stringent tests.

3D-FUTURE


In the development of all modern projects, the most advanced FORAN automated three-dimensional modeling system is being actively applied today. The first models of three premises using this technology were made on the 11356 order. Technological modules of the FORAN system were also acquired, which allow metal cutting for hull structures in automatic and semi-automatic modes and obtaining pipe sketches for automated pipe bending machines.

The first project, made with maximum detail in 3D, is the head frigate of the 22350 project. The introduction of 3D-design and change management based on the 3D-model allowed, for example, to reduce the amount of purchased materials, reduce the number of issues by order of head order, ensure rational and convenient placement of mechanisms and systems in the hull, high maintainability of the ship, short deadlines design and high pace of construction.

For interaction with the construction plant on various issues, an electronic book of questions and answers has been developed. The messaging format allowed to automate communications and increase the speed of decision-making. In 2015, a project for the exchange of design data between a bureau and a construction plant via a secure channel was implemented. This allowed the operational group of the bureau at the plants in Severodvinsk and Zelenodolsk to remain in a single information space with the designers in St. Petersburg. In the future, this will provide the possibility of creating a unified information environment with the construction plant.

LESSONS OF GEOGRAPHY

Special attention should be paid to the topic of foreign trade cooperation between the bureau and foreign customers. Since 1957, ships designed in the Northern Design Bureau have been supplied to Bulgaria, Poland, the GDR, Egypt, Indonesia, Finland and the PRC. These include destroyers of projects 30-bis (30BA, 30BK), 31 and 56А, as well as patrol ships of the project 50. Some of them were built in the People's Republic of China according to the documentation of the Central Design Bureau 53.

Of particular note is the cooperation with the Republic of India. It would not be an exaggeration to say that the creation of the surface navy of India is largely due to the specialists of the Northern Design Bureau. In 1974 – 1976, a bureau based on the national project 61М developed the frigate 61МЭ (chief designer - Alexander Shishkin). The lead frigate of the Rajput series was handed over to the customer in 1981 year, and the last (only five ships) in the 1987. The ships of the 61ME project are currently undergoing modernization, which consists in equipping them with the Indo-Russian anti-ship complex BrahMos, as well as with modern anti-aircraft missile systems.

At the request of the Indian government, the Northern Design Bureau, together with representatives of the Navy, determined the composition of Soviet-made weapons and military equipment for installation on ships designed in India. With the technical assistance of the Russian side, ships of the projects 15, 15А, 16, 16А, 25 and 25А were built and handed over to the fleet at the shipyards of the customer. Since 1999, the Northern Design Bureau has provided technical assistance in the creation of the 17 project by Indian specialists. The transfer of the head frigate Shivalik to the Indian Navy took place on April 21 2010. Such ships will be the basis of the Indian fleet in the first half of the XXI century. At the end of 90, technical documentation was developed for a new frigate of the 11356 project for the Indian fleet (chief designer Vilior Perevalov). Subsequently, two series of three ships each were handed over to the Indian sailors.

In 1999, the patrol-patrol ship of the PS-500 project (chief designer - Valentin Mutikhin) was handed over to the naval forces of the Republic of Vietnam. In 90, in an extremely difficult time for our country, all these orders played a huge role not only for the bureau, but also for the domestic shipbuilding as a whole, allowing us to retain qualified engineering and working personnel. The main merit in this belongs to Vladimir Yukhnin, who at that time held the post of chief and chief designer of the Northern Design Bureau.

The specialists of the Northern PKB and the foundation of the naval forces of the People’s Liberation Army of China created it. At the end of the 80s, a naval doctrine began to be developed in this country. China needed modern technologies that it did not possess. This also applied to naval equipment.

In 1999 – 2000, two squadron destroyers of the 956 project, modified according to the 956E project (chief designer - Igor Rubis) were transferred to the People's Republic of China. The first ship made an unprecedented transition 13 seas and three oceans. At the same time all the equipment behaved immaculately. According to the results of successful cooperation in January 2002, a new contract was signed for the supply of two more destroyers of the 956EM project (chief designer - Valentin Mishin). The ships were built and transferred to the Chinese fleet in 2005 and 2006. At the end of February, 2001 was signed a contract for the provision of technical assistance for the installation of weapon systems and equipment on the Chinese destroyers of the 052В project. The topic is called "968". On ships, a large number of systems installed on ships of the 956 project were used, in connection with this, in the West it was dubbed "Chinese modern." Collaboration was completed in 2005. The 052В project ship became the platform for the design of the already Chinese destroyer of the 052С project. In April, 2002 was signed an intergovernmental agreement and a contract for the provision of technical assistance for the installation of Russian equipment on Chinese destroyers of the 051C project.

In 2004 – 2005, by request of Kazakhstan, the bureau developed a project for the supply boat of the 22180 project (chief designer - Alexey Naumov), designed to deliver cargo and personnel to the Caspian drilling platforms.

STRONG LINK


Along with the design of ships for the navy, the Northern Design Bureau continues to develop designs for civilian fleets.

Currently, the most promising and knowledge-intensive work in this direction has been the creation of projects of vessels for the transport of liquefied natural gas. Technical and conceptual projects of gas carriers of various capacities were made using different cargo storage systems (chief designer - Dmitry Kiselev). The ships created by the designers of the bureau carry out their hard service in all the fleets of the World Ocean and adequately ensure the defense capability of Russia.

As one of the essential links in the structure of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, the Northern Design Bureau supports and shares its plan for the further development of the domestic shipbuilding industry, the intensification of technical progress in the field of naval armaments and the emergence of Russia as a great maritime power.
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  1. Gray 43
    Gray 43 April 30 2016 07: 52
    +6
    With such a glorious history and ordered the "Mistrals" abroad ?! I do not understand! Could design and build even better than the French - I'm sure!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 30 2016 08: 49
      +10
      Northern PKB - does not work on ships of this type, for example. This is Nevsky’s lot.

      BDK Tapir - celebrate 50 anniversary on flights. Saratov celebrates 50 years in August.
      775 - also intensively hit the resource, and as part of a combined group from all fleets in rotation. Moreover, the Northern BDKs of the first series are gradually falling apart.
      Ivan Gren - became obsolete on a slipway, initially cheap, quick, to replace Tapir, it became a long, expensive, with an unsuccessful power plant (the last delays because of it, even in the factory newspaper wrote that the Urals raised diesel for commissions), with less actual transported capacity than replaced Tapir (for tapir, the entire upper deck is cargo with a crane, and for Gren only between superstructures on 6 cars or 4 containers).

      Moreover, even Algeria from Peru, not to mention Turkey and other maritime superpowers, moved to UDC / DKVD.

      But progress does not stand still, now there are different UDC / DKVD, both for big fans of expeditionary operations, Kenbera or the same Mistral level, and for less, even for homeless people of the Philippines level, they made an adult DKVD for a marines battalion - 2 large TDKs, 2 -3 helipads with 4-6 helicopters (albeit light), a two-tier cargo deck and all this for 45 million!
    2. sober
      sober April 30 2016 09: 32
      +1
      YES JUST WHY SERDYUKOV IS NOT AN ANSWER ???????????
    3. Seaman77
      Seaman77 April 30 2016 10: 27
      +8
      Quote: Gray 43
      With such a glorious history and ordered the "Mistrals" abroad ?! I do not understand!


      Not a complete list, only those that came to mind:
      Varangian;
      Novik
      Tashkent;
      Tallinn / Petropavlovsk;
      BDK pr 775 ...

      Neither the Russian Empire nor the USSR was "embarrassed" to buy ships abroad.

      Quote: Gray 43
      Could design and build even better than the French - I'm sure!


      What is your confidence based on? Now the only well-developed series is "Buyans" of 900 tons with a displacement of ... 11356 and 22350 with a big "creak" and then while there are turbines ...

      Mistrals are not very complex ships. Combined RO-RO and lighter carrier, but here it was more important TIMELINE and construction technology + CIUS. Well, and for the bonus, perhaps, the azipodes of which we do not yet do.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 30 2016 10: 39
        0
        Quote: Seaman77
        Not a complete list, only those that came to mind:
        Varangian;
        Novik
        Tashkent;
        Tallinn / Petropavlovsk;
        BDK pr 775 ...
        Neither the Russian Empire nor the USSR was "embarrassed" to buy ships abroad.

        Which one of the "Noviks" are you talking about? Apparently about the cruiser that died in the Rusko-Japanese.
        1. Seaman77
          Seaman77 April 30 2016 10: 52
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          Which one of the "Noviks" are you talking about? Apparently about the cruiser that died in the Rusko-Japanese.

          This series was designed in Germany. Part of the ships was built by the Germans, part in Russia. In Russian-Japanese, if I am not mistaken, Pearls and Emerald participated. I wrote without "Wikipedia", I can be wrong correct if that ...

          by the way

          Seven ships: "Ruby", "Diamond", "Pearls", "Emerald", Amethyst, Sapphire and Coral
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 30 2016 10: 54
            0
            Quote: Seaman77
            In Russian-Japanese, if I am not mistaken, Pearls and Emerald participated.

            You are wrong. The cruiser "Novik" is the HERO of the Russian Port Arthur squadron.
            1. Seaman77
              Seaman77 April 30 2016 11: 12
              +2
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: Seaman77
              In Russian-Japanese, if I am not mistaken, Pearls and Emerald participated.

              You are wrong. The cruiser "Novik" is the HERO of the Russian Port Arthur squadron.


              Thanks for the amendment. drinks
              By the way, the destroyers "Noviki" were also built by the Germans.
              1. svp67
                svp67 April 30 2016 11: 20
                +1
                Quote: Seaman77
                By the way, the destroyers "Noviki" were also built by the Germans.

                Here you are wrong. These are the ships of our construction.
                1. Seaman77
                  Seaman77 April 30 2016 12: 05
                  +3
                  Quote: svp67
                  Quote: Seaman77
                  By the way, the destroyers "Noviki" were also built by the Germans.

                  Here you are wrong. These are the ships of our construction.


                  The corps is a joint creation. The turbine is German. Our armament.

                  It was because of the "joint creativity" that the Germans still built their "Noviks".
    4. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB April 30 2016 21: 29
      0
      Yes, everything turned out fine - they received the project documentation and returned the money!
  2. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn April 30 2016 08: 25
    0
    They remembered the glorious shipbuilders "above the watermen" - this is good, but for some reason an incomplete list? And so, in general, a good propaganda article for the factory large-circulation "Ship"!
  3. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 30 2016 09: 40
    0
    Despite the deliberate destruction of Russia's military-industrial complex over the past decades, an industry has been preserved and developing in our country that makes the country a great maritime power ...
  4. q_556
    q_556 April 30 2016 10: 17
    0
    I agree with everything except the praises of foran. Yes, this is a powerful program with serious potential, but it is so crude and inconvenient ...
  5. tchoni
    tchoni April 30 2016 10: 26
    0
    In the view of the teapot, the idea of ​​creating a balanced ship in the corvette or frigate class does not look right. These ships would look more efficient, on the other hand, their designers for solving air defense problems. For shock tasks, creating a separate subspecies of ships.
  6. ametist415
    ametist415 April 30 2016 10: 47
    +1
    In the 80s, ships of projects 956,1155,1164,1144 were produced. By that time, all of them no longer met modern requirements. They were inferior to the Arleigh Burkes and Ticonderogs. Our ships have practically no modernization capabilities. At that time, the concept had already gone that a universal launcher was needed for different types of missiles, i.e. the ship must be multipurpose, these ships do not. In the United States, they are already installing PAR, we still have multi-ton rotating radar antennas. Such technologies began to become obsolete at that time. Russia is only now barely approaching this. Etc. 22350 is a more or less modern ship, if it is made with high quality, but it is alone and it has been built for 10 years. Etc. 11356 is already obsolete since keel bookmark.
    Here's a picture of an American for fun.
    1. Seaman77
      Seaman77 April 30 2016 11: 28
      +4
      Quote: ametist415
      Our ships have practically no modernization capabilities.


      Then how are they upgrading now ??? Before answering, please explain what is in your concept of "modernization opportunities"?

      At that time, the concept that a universal launcher was needed for different types of missiles


      That is why today they developed their New rockets under your the old PU.

      Here's a picture of an American for fun.


      Why do I need it? request I saw them "live" ...
      1. alexej123
        alexej123 April 30 2016 19: 41
        0
        I also do not understand for the "picture". What's on it? A miracle of technology in the 21st century? How was it determined?
        1. ametist415
          ametist415 April 30 2016 21: 22
          -1
          Picture, just a joke. When the Americans lowered "Ticonderoga" they hung up a poster, like Gorshkov tremble, IJIS in the sea, but I didn't find that picture, so I posted this one.
      2. The comment was deleted.
    2. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 April 30 2016 11: 38
      +1
      This is what they were inferior to?
      HEADLIGHTS stood and with us, learn a mat.chast.
      About modernization, to put it mildly, you're wrong.
    3. okroshka79
      okroshka79 April 30 2016 18: 18
      +4
      Well, in what, dear, they were inferior? For example, pr. 1155? This ship has a completely different purpose than the American ones. The main task of which is anti-submarine warfare. And, for this purpose, it was equipped with the best that was in our naval science and our ship industry. By the way, when in 1991 one of these ships was on a friendly visit to the American Mayport (bpk "Simferopol", now "Severomorsk"), American officers were asked - similar ships
      better, Soviet or American, answered honestly "fifty-fifty". Therefore, dear, you better shut up. It is disgusting to listen and read the comments of such military experts. I personally had to take part in the work of the state commission for the acceptance of the lead ship of the Udaloy BPK in 1980. I would like to note, since the article is about SPKB, the attitude towards us, naval officers, of the ship's chief designer Valentin Petrovich Mishin. He was very competent, very modest, but he listened extremely attentively to all our comments and wishes and reacted to them extremely quickly. And almost everything was implemented by revision. Although the ship was adopted with 22 joint decisions of the Ministry of the Industry and the Navy, this was not the fault of the SPKB, and even more so the chief designer. By the way, these ships are the backbone of our ocean-going fleet today.
      1. ametist415
        ametist415 April 30 2016 21: 11
        +1
        American officers to the question - similar ships
        better, Soviet or American, answered honestly "fifty-fifty"

        Well, they are out of politeness. In my koment everything is clearly painted. The ship should be multipurposeif it is some other, such as a PLO or some other, then such ships are considered obsolete from the 80s. At headquarters, before going out to sea, the ship decides how it depends on the types of missiles that are loaded into the control room. Today it is air defense, tomorrow is anti-aircraft defense, or combinations, etc. Russia is only now trying to do something similar, but pr. 22350 is not enough, we need destroyers with a large number of universal run-offs (about 100) and a displacement of approx. 9 thousand tons
        I am a civilian navigator and I know the famous navigational proverb-a joke of who they need to fear in the sea (a fool, a fisherman and a military sailor). Designers should have understood the concept of a modern ship, there is still a politics involved when specially obsolete ships are built, and money and time are wasted. Many sailors, officers and admirals have not figured this out yet.
        In general, the surface fleet of the USSR was at the level in the 60s and 70s. "Ticonderoga" entered service, the backlog went. I almost forgot, even AB is needed, just not bullshit such as pr. 1143, but such as CVN-78, also multipurpose.
        1. Seaman77
          Seaman77 April 30 2016 22: 24
          +3
          Quote: ametist415
          The ship must be multi-purpose

          And why are projects 956,1155,1164,1144 not multi-purpose ?????? They have no anti-aircraft defense, anti-aircraft defense, or means of struggle with "ticonderogs" ???
          The only thing they are inferior to the Americans in is land-based missiles (those same “calibers”).
          Anyway, why did you decide that Amer’s “multi-purpose” Berks would be better off doing tasks, let’s say, than our BOD ???

          Quote: ametist415
          I'm a civilian navigator

          What type of vessels do you work on? Why in the civilian fleet there are no “multi-purpose” gas carrier gas carriers, etc. ??? After all, if the ship can immediately carry ALL, this is how much money can be earned ....

          Quote: ametist415
          Designers should have understood the concept of a modern ship, there is still a politics involved when specially obsolete ships are built, and money and time are wasted. Many sailors, officers and admirals have not figured this out yet.

          Thank you for opening your eyes to everyone ....
          1. Kudrevkn
            Kudrevkn 1 May 2016 19: 19
            +1
            "I remember how early in the morning" on the BS "Discreet" (956) "they worked" in Mass ay directly from 4 * 132 barrels on your Ethiopian mother running with the "Kalash" Ethiopians, after these black ... monkeys fired our tanker "Olekma"? Well, I'll tell you, maybe 956 is not "multipurpose" and does not work along the coast, but arms and legs 20-30 meters up and flew in all directions! Maybe gravity was canceled?
    4. okroshka79
      okroshka79 April 30 2016 18: 18
      0
      Well, in what, dear, they were inferior? For example, pr. 1155? This ship has a completely different purpose than the American ones. The main task of which is anti-submarine warfare. And, for this purpose, it was equipped with the best that was in our naval science and our ship industry. By the way, when in 1991 one of these ships was on a friendly visit to the American Mayport (bpk "Simferopol", now "Severomorsk"), American officers were asked - similar ships
      better, Soviet or American, answered honestly "fifty-fifty". Therefore, dear, you better shut up. It is disgusting to listen and read the comments of such military experts. I personally had to take part in the work of the state commission for the acceptance of the lead ship of the Udaloy BPK in 1980. I would like to note, since the article is about SPKB, the attitude towards us, naval officers, of the ship's chief designer Valentin Petrovich Mishin. He was very competent, very modest, but he listened extremely attentively to all our comments and wishes and reacted to them extremely quickly. And almost everything was implemented by revision. Although the ship was adopted with 22 joint decisions of the Ministry of the Industry and the Navy, this was not the fault of the SPKB, and even more so the chief designer. By the way, these ships are the backbone of our ocean-going fleet today.
  7. Somad
    Somad April 30 2016 11: 36
    +2
    Nice article. Just do not have enough photos of the built ships and more or less schemes of projects ....
  8. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn April 30 2016 19: 17
    +3
    Sure. the article turned out optimistic - bravura, one might say "sweetly anniversary"! In my opinion, a few tragic or tragicomic stories are missing, emphasizing that "the path traveled was thorny and difficult"? Well, for example, sea trials of the new EM pr 57 - bis began, and the declared 37 knots do not give full speed, only 35,5 -35,6 !? And so the chief designer Jacob, "at five minutes already in the" sharashka "or even further" makes an extremely risky, but non-standard decision - CUT IN THE AFT, in the area of ​​the propeller - the steering group, a "window" made of armored glass to personally observe cavitation and stall when flowing around the contours of the ship's hull? God only knows what the designers experienced, but the reason for the "lack of full speed" was successfully eliminated by giving 37, 21 !!! Well, instead of bunks we got the Stalin Prize! And from the most tragic - the murder of the chief military representative immediately after the launch of the TARK "Kirov" pr. 1144 in Leningrad. We wish the shipbuilders of Russia success and creative victories! Let the modern creators of the ships with honor and pride bear the high title SHIPS OF RUSSIA!
  9. Tektor
    Tektor April 30 2016 20: 58
    +2
    With all due respect to project 22350 Gorshkov, he will not become a reference point in the world's oceans. Ammunition in 16 universal missiles is not enough for anything. And even 24 ... 15 minutes of battle and - scratch your own way. Here is 11442M with 80 universal CRs - it will definitely become. And the destroyer Leader will become if there are at least 60 universal missiles on board. Therefore, it’s good that there will be frigates of project 22350, but the bet should be placed on the Leader with the maximum extension of the terms of the existing cruisers of projects 1164 and 1144. The leader should replace them, moreover, than there were ships on these projects ...
    Well, on the UDC. Without such universal, command ships it is impossible, in principle, to count on the possibility of closing the oceans from the penetration of outside forces. A battalion strike group with a squadron command should be based at UDC. It should be a ship larger than Mistral.
    Under water, bet should be done on Borea, Ash and Kalina. Boreev needs about 15 pieces, i.e. certainly - not less than 12. Ash-tree - 30, but most likely - the part will be for Husky. Well, Kalin is also needed at 30. Kalina is our Joker, who can solve strategic tasks, disguising himself as a modest coastal defender. A similar role is given to RTOs, which must be continuously released.
    1. ametist415
      ametist415 April 30 2016 22: 13
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      More AB is needed, 100 thousand tons of displacement, nuclear and with catapults. Three buildings, one under repair, two serve, as well as the corresponding dry docks, modern bases, convenient military camps for military personnel, etc. Another very important point is the education of the sea spirit. The United States spent about 70 years raising the sea nation. In Russia, the majority thinks that we are a land power, i.e. so that all this would still take a lot of time, maybe 100 years.
      1. Tektor
        Tektor April 30 2016 22: 38
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        As for the aircraft carrier, I’m not sure: to build one side, the first one needs about $ 15 yards, while the annual budget of the Ministry of Defense for armaments is about $ 35 yards ... And he needs an escort from the same Leaders and 22350, not to mention the submarines. While such expenses are unbearable, may inhibit the entire rearmament program. Here for the period after 2023, when the main part of the GPV will be done, then we'll see.
  10. Andrey77
    Andrey77 April 30 2016 22: 15
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    Have you asked the border guards? You are ahead of the time ... for the development of money.
  11. Andrey77
    Andrey77 April 30 2016 22: 23
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    The creation of the ship was carried out taking into account Stealth stealth technology (stealth technology).
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    We are kind of up to date. Is there no number? She doesn’t want to graduate.