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Will Kherson Turechchyna

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Will Kherson Turechchyna



Hackers from the Cyberkut patriotic association made public the draft presidential decree on the establishment of “Crimean Tatar national autonomy” in the territory of the Kherson region. The city of Kherson will be renamed Khan Girey, and the land will be inhabited by millions of people from Turkey.

As the document published by hackers says, the Kherson region is eliminated by the decision of the President of Ukraine - it is replaced by the Crimean-Tatar national autonomy of Kiev subordination. All executive bodies will be concentrated in Khan-Girei (Kherson) - until the restoration of Ukraine’s rights to the Crimea (in the document - until the Russian occupation of the Crimea is suspended). The Crimean Tatar language is recognized on the territory of the autonomy as regional - about giving it the status of a second state, thus, there is no talk yet. The leadership of the region is required to provide land 500 thousand displaced people from the Crimea and Turkey.

From Crimea, however, it is unlikely that many comers will come. On the peninsula of the Crimean Tatars a little more than 200 thousand, and most are not eager to move to Ukraine. But from Turkey, an influx of interested people can pour in, given the fact that the Crimean Tatar diaspora in this country is from 3 to 5 million people. Poroshenko intends to resettle in the Kherson region and 200 thousand. Meskhetian Turks, "not having the opportunity to return to historical homeland "to Uzbekistan.

"NEW CRIMEA"


Recall that even 22 December 2014, the chairman of the Majlis of the Crimean Tatar people, Mustafa Dzhemilev, proposed "to allocate part of the Kherson region to create an Autonomous Republic of Crimea on it". “The point is that some parts of the Kherson region adjacent to the Crimea are officially attached to the ARC to create the infrastructure of an autonomous republic there,” said Dzhemilev.

Then the President of Turkey Recep Erdogan, who promised Mustafa Dzhemilev to help in the resettlement of his compatriots in the south of Kherson region, joined the matter. Having barely talked with Erdogan, Mustafa Dzhemilev gave an interview to Radio Liberty, during which he confirmed that the Turkish president had promised to help “settle the Kherson region with the Crimean Tatars to dilute the pro-Russian population” of the region. Dzhemilev stressed that during their meeting Erdogan said that he intends to "concentrate the Crimean Tatars leaving the peninsula in one place." To this end, the Turkish leadership will allocate money to the Majlis - they will be redirected from the budget line, which was used to finance the construction of housing for the Crimean Tatars in Bakhchisarai and Belogorsk.

Dzhemilev noted that the issue of allocation of land for the creation of compact Crimean-Tatar settlements has already been successfully agreed with Kiev, and if Ankara sends funds to the Medzhlis for prefabricated houses before spring, by the summer about 25 thousand Crimean Tatars will move to the 10 thousand in the summer already settled in new places. At the same time, Dzhemilev insists that the Crimean Tatars themselves should be in charge of the villages. This will take, in particular, the so-called volunteer battalions.

GARDENING GARDEN AND GARDEN


From Soviet times, Kherson Oblast was a “garden and garden” for the Crimea, in which industry, military infrastructure (with high incomes of officers and contract servicemen) and, of course, the gray private tourism sector are much more developed.

Crimeans willingly bought much cheaper Kherson vegetables, fruits, meat, products of the Soviet consumer cooperation and resold it through a network of shops and catering to the military and tourists. A typical example is that in the Crimea this century there is not a single plot of this “Yalta onion” - all the production of this Crimean endemic delicacy has been brought to the border villages of the Kherson region.

Kherson is now one of the poorest regions of Ukraine. The average salary in the region in 2014 was 2617 UAH, while on average in Ukraine - 3475 UAH, and in Kiev 5376 UAH. Lower than in the Kherson region, and that is very insignificant, the average salary is only in two regions of Ukraine - in the Ternopil and Chernivtsi regions. But these regions are not located in the richest south, but in the wilderness of the western part of the country.

The share of Kherson region in Ukrainian exports of goods is only 0,7%. For comparison, in the neighboring with Kherson region of Nikolaev and Zaporizhzhya regions goods for export are produced by an order of magnitude more - 3,4% and 6,9%, respectively. The blockade of the Crimea causes the population of Kherson to throw the earth and houses and leave. In 2015, the Kherson region came out on top in the country in terms of net migration outflow of the population.

WRONG FROM HETMAN


Taking into account the economic situation in the Kherson region and the absence of serious political movements there, it is technically very easy to turn Kherson region into Turechchyna. As a historian, I will note that self-proclaimed Little Russian hetmans (“field commanders”) made similar attempts in the 17th century.

Thus, in the spring of 1666, hetman Petro Doroshenko informed the Crimea and Constantinople that Ukraine was now in the will of the Sultan and Khan. And now from Constantinople came the order to the new Crimean khan Adil Giray, who replaced Camille-Mohammed Giray in the spring of 1666, so that he and the horde would go to war against the Polish king. In September, 1666, a crowd of Tatars under the command of Nuradin Devlet Girey attacked Ukraine. The prince stopped at Krylov and from there sent out pens for the Dnieper under Pereyaslav, Nizhyn and other Cherkasy cities and led off about 5 thousand prisoners.

In 1668, the Cossacks refused to obey Doroshenko and elected Pyotr Sukhovnenko to be the hetman of the Right Bank. Doroshenko was able to defeat the army Sukhovnenko. Then the Cossacks elected another hetman - Mikhail Khanenko - and continued the war with Doroshenko. Khanenko turned for help to Poland, but Doroshenko turned for help to Constantinople. The hetman's envoy, who bore the eloquent nickname Bardin, Sultan Mehmed IV, commanded to answer: “I didn’t send for you and I don’t need you very much. If you sincerely wait for help from me to protect you from your enemies, then I can respect your request. But also you should be correct. I am not the king of Poland, not the king of Moscow and not the king of Hungary, whom you fooled and betrayed your own faith. ”

Roman Hetman Doroshenko with Sultan Mehmed IV led to the widespread uprising of the Cossacks. As a result, the hetman drapanul to the king Alexei Mikhailovich. Bedolage was given a thousand courtyards in the village of Yaropolets near Volokolamsk. Doroshenko then lived in Moscow, then in Yaropolts and died quietly in 1695.

NEW TURN OF CONFRONTATION


But back to modern Ukraine. What will Poroshenko and Co. get by putting Turechchyna in Kherson?

Firstly, this is the only opportunity to destabilize the situation in the Crimea and involve Turkey in the struggle for the Crimea, and ideally NATO. How realistic this is is a separate topic, but the Kiev authorities have Turechchina the only straw.

Secondly, the creation of the Turkish-Tatar state education and the Turkish-Tatar armed forces, and the Tatar battalions in Ukraine have already been created, will help finally intimidate the Russian-speaking population of Odessa, Nikolaev and other southern regions.

Thirdly, which is very important for Kiev, the creation of the Turechchyna destabilizes the Minsk process. Kiev simply cannot physically get out of the Minsk Agreement - this is a conflict with the EU and, possibly, with the United States. Poroshenko cannot and does not want to fulfill the articles of the agreement - this is the collapse of the Kiev junta. The only way out is for the Minsk agreements to collapse on their own. And creating Turechchiny is an ideal opportunity to achieve this.

Is it possible to prevent this? Yes.

Firstly, a serious propaganda impact on the population of both Ukraine, Europe, and the United States is needed. The ideologists of the Ukrainians have been talking for 100 years: a single country, one language, one religion, one history. And Petro Poroshenko, a fighter for Vilna Ukraine, by the way, who is not an ethnic Ukrainian, creates an Islamic state in southern Ukraine. Do they understand in Ukraine that even if this project succeeds, the Islamic state will never bring anything good to the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of today's Ukrainians? Every Ukrainian needs to think about whether he wants to flee his country like the Serbs fled from Kosovo?

It is possible and necessary to take measures to protect ferries and a bridge to the Crimea. After all, each of the vessels following the fairway can secretly put a mine fence on the route of the Crimea – Caucasus ferries. The appearance of another Lira ramming with steam or a bridge is not ruled out (the Lira turek vessel, recall, on March 19th rammed and completely destroyed the support of bridge No. 80 and damaged two more supports). However, widespread protection is extremely expensive and does not produce the desired effect. The only way out is to warn Kiev that in the event of any act of terrorism in the Kerch Strait, Russia will act in exactly the same way as the United States and Israel. It's about an immediate full-blown strike aviationmissiles, etc. on the bases of terrorists and their accomplices.
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  1. Pavel Vereshchagin
    Pavel Vereshchagin April 30 2016 04: 45
    +20
    Correctly say, "If God wants to punish someone, he takes his mind." This happened with the leadership of the banderlogy, because they do not know what they are doing.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 30 2016 04: 47
      +5
      Will Kherson Turechchyna
      the answer is in plain sight: HEP_SON ...
      1. Comrade Schucher
        Comrade Schucher April 30 2016 06: 47
        +48
        We are here the other day, we tested my viskar with a friend, well, there are different conversations on the intoxicating business ...
        So, he himself is a Kazan Tatar, and we had something to eat on the subject of Crimean Tatars.
        At the end of our heated discussion (they sucked one and a half), he concluded that the Crimean Tatars are not Tatars, and they are not really people at all.
        I tried to object, but he besieged me with a beautiful phrase: - And what are you Russian harnessing for the Tatars? Only continental Tatars have the right to determine who is Tatar and who is not exactly Tatar.
        1. Sarmat149
          Sarmat149 April 30 2016 07: 05
          +6
          Have fun however)))
        2. Riv
          Riv April 30 2016 07: 46
          +10
          Well, what did you want? Of course, Kazan, or Vyatka Tatars, for example, look at the Crimean Tatars as shit. Those compared to them are like gypsies.

          Literally: "There are millions of us Tatars. We conquered Rus when they still had monkeys running in Turkey and Crimea and now we live where they came. We honored the Koran when they were pagans there, and even now they are nothing about Islam. They do not really know. They are not Tatars at all, but a mixture of Polovtsians and Turks. "

          In general, for the real Tatar nationalist, the Horde has not gone anywhere. The fact that the Russians took Kazan is a temporary misunderstanding. And the Russian tsars were sitting on the throne, so the founder of the Romanovs, the boyar Andrei Kobyla, was married to the daughter of the Tatar prince, and he himself was from Kostroma, so he could have turned out to be a Tatar.
          1. sober
            sober April 30 2016 08: 09
            +3
            yeah nafig !!!!
          2. sabakina
            sabakina April 30 2016 09: 22
            +4
            Riv
            And that the Russian kings sat on the throne, so the founder of the Romanovs, the boyar Andrei Kobyla, was married to the daughter of the Tatar prince, and he was originally from Kostroma, so it could well be a Tatar.

            So am I a Tatar? belay .......
            No, well, we have a Tatar settlement in Kostroma ....
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 April 30 2016 16: 39
              +5
              You are who you consider yourself to be. I never understood those people who are worried when they suddenly, suddenly find out that among their ancestors were representatives of other nationalities. What changes from this? Does this change self-awareness (with the exception of not very smart people), the native language?
            2. Riv
              Riv 1 May 2016 13: 52
              0
              See for yourself: the Tatars are fierce, furiously plus.
          3. Comrade Schucher
            Comrade Schucher April 30 2016 09: 38
            +3
            Quote: Riv
            In general, for the real Tatar nationalist, the Horde has not gone anywhere.

            Yes, there is one, my friend is still the same, but by nature the person is very responsive, and when drunk, his soul, like chicken, is warm and soft. We have been friends for a long time, about 25 years old, and our children are also in excellent relations.
            1. Anglorussian
              Anglorussian April 30 2016 17: 17
              -3
              He seems to have brains.
              like chicken shit
          4. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 April 30 2016 16: 26
            0
            Some of the Tatars, who are supporters of the ideas of Bulgarism, treat the Horde very badly. Some of the Bulgarists do not like the so-called "Tatar" himself.
            1. Riv
              Riv April 30 2016 16: 55
              0
              Well, actually Tatars and Bulgars - these are two different people. Tatars in the Volga region are aliens. But when they arrived, there were very few Bulgars left to seriously excite about something there.
        3. German Titov
          German Titov April 30 2016 07: 57
          +12
          Crimean and Kazan Tatars are a big difference (I came across both with those and others). Kazan Tatars (Akhmetov from their diaspora) live predominantly in Donbass. There have never been any "vaapche" disagreements on national grounds. Crimean (many have moved from Central Asia, thanks to the "tagged") at the genetic level hate everything Soviet (and Russia is the legal successor of the USSR), some are already hissing. I'll get better - I'm not talking about everyone. The Ukrainian authorities, like whores in the entire existence of pseudo-statehood, "flirted" with the Mejlis.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit April 30 2016 08: 50
            +2
            Yeah. Found idiots. Right now, all Crimean Tatars abandoned everything, and went to Ukraine for democracy.
            1. avt
              avt April 30 2016 18: 49
              +2
              Quote: Orionvit
              Yeah. Found idiots. Right now, all Crimean Tatars abandoned everything, and went to Ukraine for democracy.

              Their invaders do not let! Especially so that the Crimean Tatars could not leave anywhere, they began repairing the railway track in the Crimea! wassat Here’s what they’re doing ... Moskal monsters - they put new rails! Where does PACE look .... ??? request
        4. Observer2014
          Observer2014 April 30 2016 08: 52
          +2
          Comrade SHUKHER RU Today, 06:47 ↑
          We are here the other day, we tested my viskar with a friend, well, there are different conversations on the intoxicating business ...
          So, he himself is a Kazan Tatar, and we had something to eat on the subject of Crimean Tatars.
          At the end of our heated discussion (they sucked one and a half), he concluded that the Crimean Tatars are not Tatars, and they are not really people at all.
          I tried to object, but he besieged me with a beautiful phrase: - And what are you Russian harnessing for the Tatars? Only continental Tatars have the right to determine who is Tatar and who is not exactly Tatar.

          By the way, at the expense of the Tatars. Yes it is. There is a belief that Ermak, when Siberia conquered, did not make a decent offer to the Tatars laughing And those who accepted, so to speak, this not a decent offer to live in Crimea went. And those who did not stay there. Since then, the Crimean Tatars, to put it mildly, have not respected. I don’t know, maybe it’s a belief, or maybe it was true. But I heard this story from many people and from different places. Who is interested, type in Yandex "How Ermak the Tatars baptized" There you will find everything in the description laughing
        5. WKS
          WKS April 30 2016 09: 56
          +1
          Instead of Novorossia, the Kiev junta wants to establish Novoturtiya, only this will not help the junta. And where did you get so many Crimean Tatars from? If only Bandera is recorded in the Tatars ...
        6. Suhov
          Suhov April 30 2016 14: 12
          -1
          Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER
          And what are you Russian harnessing for the Tatars?

          This is your wrong Basurman, oh wrong! laughing
          Russians have every right to get involved in the Tatar question,
          Because, scratch any Russian and Tatar will appear.
          As my beloved aunt once said,
          looking at his children and nephews:
          Yes, there was a Mongol-Tatar yoke, oh and there was ...
          Looks like some Tatar still caught up with our great-great -..... great-grandmother! wassat
          hi
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 April 30 2016 16: 31
            +4
            Actually, to be honest, you have to say "scratch a Tatar, you will find a Russian." The percentage of Russian blood among Tatars, Bashkirs, representatives of the Finno-Ugric peoples of Russia (Mordovians, Komi, Udmurts, etc.) is much higher than the percentage of Tatar (Turkic) and Finno-Ugric blood (undoubtedly present) among Russians.
            If some Tatar caught up with his great-grandmother, then most likely he was her husband. And no other way. Interethnic marriages were not prohibited either in Russia (then Russia), or in the Horde, or in the Kazan Khanate.
        7. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 April 30 2016 16: 24
          +3
          Strange discussion. More or less educated people should know that the Crimean Tatars and the Volga Tatars proper are completely different ethnic groups. The Kazan Tatars are much closer in origin and culture to the Chuvash and Bashkirs. Generally speaking, among the Crimean Tatars, the idea is to remove the word "Tatar" from its name altogether.
        8. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 1 May 2016 04: 42
          -1
          Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER
          tested my viskar with a friend,

          Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER
          At the end of our heated discussion (one and a half sucked)

          a chuyka such that it flew into the mane of the east ... for, in all my arduous life, while I met the current in a poltorake, and "three axes" burned ... pi / s: yesterday, by the way, in the "coin" I saw for "piyatt two! CHARLES!!!" two "rubles !!! one and a half kg !!! if the country cannot be defeated, then ....drinks
          1. Comrade Schucher
            Comrade Schucher 1 May 2016 06: 33
            +3
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            while the current pyvo met in a half

            The phrase "my whiskey" means what it is, this is really my whiskey, I make it myself. Malt mash, double distillation, oak aging ...
            The whiskey we ran into like slop pigs was Whiskey 35 ppm Castle Malting and was oak aged for seven months.
            And that one and a half, so at hand it was poured at that - not to drag the same 20 liter barrel to a friend in the garage.
    2. mig29mks
      mig29mks April 30 2016 05: 43
      +15
      Cossacks wrote a letter to the Turkish Sultan with insults, as they experienced Turkish "friendship" on their own skin! Now they themselves will invite you! Yes, there were people in our time, not like the present tribe!
      1. CORNET
        CORNET April 30 2016 06: 21
        +5
        The only way out is to warn Kiev that in the event of any act of terrorism in the Kerch Strait, Russia will act in exactly the same way as the USA and Israel.

        Svidomo do not understand otherwise ... Valtsman quietly sells Ukraine, soon the Ottomans with whips on the farms will appear and Pshek!
        1. ltc22A
          ltc22A 1 May 2016 10: 13
          0
          Quote: CORNET
          Svidomo do not understand otherwise ... Valtsman quietly sells Ukraine, soon the Ottomans with whips on the farms will appear and Pshek!

          Correctly. Temporary worker Poroshenko begins to sell B / U (Former Ukraine), Kherson land to Turks, Western women to Poles, etc. He no longer hopes to maintain the integrity of his independence and is in a hurry to sell it more expensive. We wait secret offers for Russia.
          By the way: we must go to the mausoleum, see how many times Comrade turned upside down. Lenin (Ulyanov), who created Ukraine from Little Russia and New Russia. And comrade Stalin and comrade Khrushchev also needs to be checked.
      2. pvv113
        pvv113 April 30 2016 08: 56
        +4
        Yes, there were people in our time, not like the current tribe!

        That's it - TRIBE!
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        2. Lukich
          Lukich April 30 2016 16: 40
          +1
          Quote: pvv113
          That's it - TRIBE!

          and this is their ancestor
    3. The black
      The black April 30 2016 06: 35
      +3
      Will Kherson Turechchyna
      It may well be. Dzhemilevites are replaying "chocolate calculations", intending to finally dominate the region. Turkey will support all of Dzhemilev's plans financially, as a result, the Dzhemilevites may take control of the border and customs, they may well "grab" the "Primorsky" region with the further deployment of the "Kosovo scenario" here ... so they are unlikely to poke their heads into Crimea. Because they understand that will actually cut off the most tomatoes.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt April 30 2016 07: 06
      +5
      Not for that Crimean Tatars returned to Crimea to relocate to Kherson region laughing And the announcement of Tatar autonomy in other parts of Ukraine is historical nonsense.
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 April 30 2016 08: 58
        +3
        In my opinion, all of today's Ukraine is historical nonsense hi
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 April 30 2016 16: 33
        +1
        Strictly speaking, once the territory of the Kherson region was part of the Crimean Khanate.
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik April 30 2016 19: 04
          0
          Quote: Sergej1972
          Strictly speaking, once the territory of the Kherson region was part of the Crimean Khanate.

          Therefore, the Kherson region should move to the Crimea. And no Turks.
    5. Suhov
      Suhov April 30 2016 07: 24
      +7
      Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin
      Correctly

      To establish Turechchina in Lviv region. smile
      1. ltc22A
        ltc22A 1 May 2016 10: 16
        0
        Quote: Sukhov
        Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin
        Correctly
        To establish Turechchina in Lviv region. smile

        Wrong.
        Decree: To inflict Malopolsha in the Lviv region. signature "Vladimir the Great"
    6. 1976AG
      1976AG April 30 2016 08: 03
      +4
      On the one hand, everything is correct - it is necessary to explain to the Ukrainians what the threat of such a migration of peoples is, but who will do it? WHO? Our media in Ukraine are banned, but the national ones will not do this. The author so confidently says "must be done", as if giving advice to whom. And if everything is clear with the ferries and the bridge, then the propaganda is a dark forest. He simply said "it is necessary", but who will do it and how is not important. And what does he suggest to the residents of the Kherson region to protest or take up arms? Or does he not know how Ukraine deals with those who disagree? Tips to give not tossing bags.
    7. Yura
      Yura April 30 2016 08: 04
      +2
      Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin
      This happened with the leadership of Banderlogia, because they do not know what they are doing.

      Alexander Olegovich, they know what they are doing, they are unprincipled cynics, they make money like that, they make money with their country. The most amazing thing is that many of those who are directly concerned are trying to tear off a piece for themselves, the method and morality are not important for them. They, these creatures, a minority, probably the time will come, they will smear their earth, this abomination will run to all corners of our planet.
  2. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher April 30 2016 04: 51
    +8
    This adventure, except for a new round of internal conflict, will lead to nothing. No one will voluntarily leave their lands, and a place in the market will not give up ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 30 2016 04: 59
      +10
      it seems to me that again the creatures decided to erase History ...

      The history of Kherson begins with the Decree of Catherine II of June 18, 1778 on the foundation of the city. At the mouth of the Dnieper is being built a city with a shipyard, trading pier and fortress, which were to become the base of the fleet. The name of the city was given in honor of the ancient Greek colony of Chersonese. New serbia
      The place where the city should be founded was indicated by the favorite of Empress Catherine II G.A. Potemkin. He was appointed governor general of the city and later considered Kherson his brainchild. Famous architects and engineers I. Starov, I. Sitnikov, K. Borzhua, M. Korsakov, Germa and others were involved in the construction of Kherson. For several years, a city plan was developed, which has the features of a clear and clear ordering. The center was the Fortress with an area of ​​about 100 hectares. It was a complex of military fortifications, public and religious buildings. The defense system included high loose ramparts, bastions, ravelins, underground mine galleries, a moat, a well, Moscow and Ochakov gates with drawbridges.
      In Kherson, the construction of the Black Sea Fleet began. In September 1783, the first large 66-gun ship “Glory of Catherine” was launched from the slipway of the Admiralty Shipyard. At the end of the XNUMXth century, trade with France, Italy, Spain and other European countries was carried out through the Kherson port. During a trip to the south of Little Russia, the Empress Catherine II even Kherson fortress was admired by foreigners.

      Kherson becomes the economic and political center of New Russia. The construction of the fortress and the city itself was carried out by the general-master I.A. Hannibal, then Colonel Engineer N. Korsakov. Admiral F.F. Ushakov, who arrived in Kherson at the head of a convoy of 700 Baltic sailors.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher April 30 2016 05: 24
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        it seems to me that again the creatures decided to erase History ...

        So they never bother with history. There, on the BV, they sat down, drew the borders, and thought so and always will be. As a result, endless bickering. And here, the same thing is repeated.
        They only provoke an early collapse, I don’t know, intentionally or by thoughtlessness, but they provoke.
        One thing is that the border is short, to close tightly, it is not difficult ...
      2. Lens
        Lens April 30 2016 07: 26
        +2
        So in the case predicted by the author, the story is likely to repeat itself ... How did Doroshenko finish? So Peter Alekseevich can. But who will grant him a thousand yards? ...
  3. Neophyte
    Neophyte April 30 2016 05: 13
    +11
    Mazepa, Doroshenko, Potroshenko .... there are a lot of analogies in the mentality of Ukraine's "heroes"?
  4. Pitot
    Pitot April 30 2016 05: 19
    +6
    In fact, this situation is not gut. Open a new front against Russia. It is fraught. Need an adequate response or action.
  5. Kernel
    Kernel April 30 2016 05: 25
    +9
    What kind of visionary was A. Gaidai, having inserted into his film (Ivan Vasilyevich changes his profession) the replica of "Kemsk volost". One hope now is for the "burglar" (Kuravlyov). Only who can play this role in Ukraine? Probably the only "guest" from Russia.
  6. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. April 30 2016 05: 39
    +3
    The last sentence is the most correct. With patients it makes no sense to talk that ours is loved, unfortunately.
  7. Lester7777
    Lester7777 April 30 2016 05: 57
    +7
    "... Hetman Petro Doroshenko informed the Crimea and Constantinople that Ukraine is now in the will of the Sultan and Khan" - as I can see, they have a rich experience of trading their homeland. Didn't start yesterday.
    1. Lukich
      Lukich April 30 2016 06: 32
      +5
      Quote: Lester7777
      "... Hetman Petro Doroshenko informed the Crimea and Constantinople that Ukraine is now in the will of the Sultan and Khan" - as I can see, they have a rich experience of trading their homeland. Didn't start yesterday.

      beautiful answer
      “I did not send for you and do not really need you. If you sincerely expect help from me to protect you from your enemies, I can respect your request. But you also bear in mind that you must be faithful. I’m not the king of Poland, not the king of Moscow, and not the king of Hungary, whom you fooled and betrayed your own faith. ”

      Turks, and so it became disgusting from their venality
  8. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey April 30 2016 06: 11
    +6
    vague doubts torment me: whether this will turn into a new war in the South-East of Ukraine.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 30 2016 10: 26
      0
      What is the involvement of Turkey in the war in Ukraine - Turkey itself on the border with Syria and Iraq is becoming "more fun" every day.
  9. Altona
    Altona April 30 2016 06: 17
    +1
    The chocolate maker and the company apparently want their own fortunes at times worse than Yanukovych, laying in addition to ideological bombs both ethnic and religious.
  10. Michael67
    Michael67 April 30 2016 06: 19
    0
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Will Kherson Turechchyna
    the answer is in plain sight: HEP_SON ...

    Even if the loot begins to crawl ... Local are not fools. Do not miss. Not everyone will miss.
  11. Haloperidol
    Haloperidol April 30 2016 06: 20
    +7
    But it’s high time for Bandera’s to be properly warned and done right after the first Bandera shells fell on the territory of the Russian Rostov Region, and the essence is that - Another Bandera shelling, or a terrorist attack on the territory of the Russian Federation and Lviv will become the second Hiroshima, and Ternopil second Nagasaki, and at the same time, Ivano-Frankivsk will be his company ....
  12. From Udmurtia
    From Udmurtia April 30 2016 06: 26
    +3
    Most likely, adequate measures will be taken to prevent the development of this situation on the part of Russia.
  13. Aleksander
    Aleksander April 30 2016 06: 28
    +6
    given the fact that the Crimean Tatar diaspora in this country is from 3 to 5 million people


    Some kind of nonsense: they are in Tupiya all from 100 thousand to 150 thousand
    In general, of course, a snake ball is grown on the border with the Crimea. It was necessary to carry out the decision to send troops, IMHO, in the same Kherson region, basically normal people live ....
    1. nadezhiva
      nadezhiva April 30 2016 07: 42
      +4
      Where the author got these numbers from is a mystery.
      Wikipedia is lying? Here are the data on the Crimean Tatar population:
      Number and range Total: 500 outside of Turkey, of which about 000 thousand in Crimea, and 266 - 100 in Turkey
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 30 2016 06: 30
    +7
    settled by a million immigrants from Turkey.

    They have few problems of their own, they decided to create additional ones, which (as the author correctly noted) come back to children and grandchildren. But the author’s proposal to prevent Kiev along the Kerch Strait has great reasons.
  15. Bayonet
    Bayonet April 30 2016 06: 45
    +5
    Another fake so that people do not get bored at VO wink
    1. Lens
      Lens April 30 2016 07: 45
      0
      I agree with you, dear .... Too much like a fake.
      1. Igor V
        Igor V April 30 2016 12: 35
        +1
        Everything that happens there is very similar to a fake.
  16. svp67
    svp67 April 30 2016 06: 56
    +3
    It seems that the history of Kosovo has not taught anyone anything in Kiev ...
    1. Haloperidol
      Haloperidol April 30 2016 07: 24
      +4
      You know, the situation here is somewhat different. I talked a couple of years ago about Crimea, before its return to Russia, with one fraerk from Bandera Galicia, so he openly said that IM - “Crimea is not needed, even if Turkey or anyone takes it, the main thing is that The Russians did not get the Crimea. '' So with Kherson, 'Anything and anyone, the main thing is that the Russians do not get Kherson ...' It's like in a joke about a khokhola and a wagon of oranges - 'I can eat the rest I'm taking a bite ... ''
  17. Bramb
    Bramb April 30 2016 07: 14
    +1
    How did they jump on the Maidan? "One country, one language, one people." And then nay ... and.
    No one needs Ukrainians: even themselves.
  18. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 30 2016 07: 18
    +1
    This is a country where one drunk, although holding a presidential post, can control the fate of hundreds of thousands of people who have the graves of their ancestors, houses, and households. If they agree to this, then these are not people, this is bylatina.
    1. smith7
      smith7 April 30 2016 07: 39
      +2
      This is Russia, just Little Russia ... In Great Russia, Yeltsin is still remembered - a similarity to Poroshenko's face. But after all, EBN could not survive the Russians, even though the trouble was great. And they will cope with Poroshenko. Only the point is not Poroshenko, but the team of insiders from the "decaying West", just like under Yeltsin. We were divided into Ukrainians, Belarusians and others ... This is THEIR victory. But the truth is for Russia. We'll cope ...
  19. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko April 30 2016 07: 19
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    It seems that the history of Kosovo has not taught anyone anything in Kiev ...

    I have such a vague feeling that it was Kosovo that became an example for gutting and a gop company! what
  20. ovod84
    ovod84 April 30 2016 07: 28
    0
    Ukraine received its new Crimea with its devoted Tatars.
    , and we have our own Crimea.
  21. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 30 2016 07: 29
    +8
    You might think that from Turkey a flood of interested people can flood there that lives worse than in Ukraine, so why ???
    Of course, a hundred and two families living somewhere on the verge of poverty will try it, but the authorities there need them to advertise the great resettlement, so that no more will remain on the verge of the same trait.
  22. Lens
    Lens April 30 2016 07: 44
    +3
    Personally, as a resident of Ukraine and as a fan of Gaidai's masterpieces, I am plagued by vague doubts ... "Here you can't decide right off the bat")))), according to the idea, "my king" is not quite out of my mind yet, what could be done with the "Kemsky volost". It looks too fake. And the submission matches - intercepted, declassified ... In which case, you can always back up - they say, having learned about the interception, Pedro urgently secretly canceled the decree. Don't ... Our girls would have sniffed out and trumpeted them even earlier. I will not beat my chest with a knee and prove the impossibility of such a thing (your God is wonderful). I'll wait bye. Once again I will revise the news, I will rummage on the Internet, but for me one participant was right here, who indicated that no one would just give up his land and a place in the bazaar too ...
    1. Haloperidol
      Haloperidol April 30 2016 07: 58
      +2
      You see what kind of `` song '' here, it's not so simple. Pedro is of course an alcoholic, but not an outright sucker and just like Yanukovych, as I personally think, will not go away. Maybe you will displace him, but the question is, How and when? '' And he will spoil your blood. All this talk about how everyone who is against Poroshenko, the agents of the Kremlin and the FSB is not easy ... Pedro will shoot at any Maidan against him, and he will always find scumbags for this, for the loot, especially since foreign mercenaries you have a lot now, but they don't care who to shoot, as long as they pay well ... I, like you, do not assert anything, but it seems to me that, as a tele-hero known to you, Popandopolo from Odessa (H.F. Wedding in Malinovka) - ,, We live on the verge of a grandiose nix '' We are all, and you, THERE, all the more ...
    2. HAM
      HAM April 30 2016 08: 27
      0
      This, you, well said about the place in the bazaar- "). I will wait for now. I’ll review the news again, I’ll dig around the Internet-Wait, wait, your place has already been taken ..
    3. avt
      avt April 30 2016 18: 56
      +2
      Quote: Lens
      Personally, as a resident of Ukraine and as a fan of Gaidai's masterpieces, I am plagued by vague doubts ... "Here you can't decide right off the bat")))), according to the idea, "my king" is not quite out of my mind yet, so what to do with the "Kemsky volost". It looks too fake.

      That's when right here on the site at the beginning of the Maidan there are really many regulars, and by no means stupid and unicellular, they wrote what awaits them in the near future, they also heard and abruptly answered in return
      Quote: Lens
      . Too much like a fake.

      So in a country that is doing everything to become on a par with Somalia - falling apart, into banditans, but having one representative at the UN, I wouldn’t wake up famously remembering a fake. With such fabulous dolt-bearers like your helmsmen, any fake will come true through a fact.
  23. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm April 30 2016 07: 50
    0
    History repeats itself, so what follows is follow the history course.
  24. AID.S
    AID.S April 30 2016 07: 54
    0
    Ukraine had Crimea and Donbass. One lost, another broke. This is karma.
  25. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 30 2016 07: 55
    +1
    May the Turks not move to the Kherson region. Turkey, of course, is not Germany, but it is not Maidania at all. No matter how they disguised themselves as Tatars to resettle refugees from the camps there! This will be an "ambush". Pyotr Lekseevich cannot even imagine the consequences of such a step.
    1. avt
      avt April 30 2016 21: 31
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Yes, the Turks will not move to the Kherson region. Turkey, of course, is not Germany, but it is not Maidania at all. As if they, under the guise of Tatars, did not begin to resettle refugees from the camps there!

      what Right now the snow will come down from the passes, the Kurds from the PKK will be pulled up in the ATO of Erdogan in the southeast and in Turkey there will be a real karachun, here you have the refugees .... with quite Crimean Tatar roots and Turkish passports. request
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      This will be an "ambush"
  26. V.ic
    V.ic April 30 2016 08: 13
    +4
    Dill men forget their classics: Here is an aria from S. Gulak-Artemovsky's opera "Zaporozhets beyond the Dunaєm". 2d. Cavatina Karas "Now I'm not a Turk"
    "Now I am a Turk, not a Cossack
    goodbye having dressed!
    I won’t be so bad
    scho in turku i turned over?
    Now I am a Turk, not a Cossack
    goodbye having dressed!
    I won’t be so bad
    scho in turku i turned over?

    Z Ivana zrobiv Urhan,
    naykhai odarka vibacha!
    Axis bach, like nap'yav zhupan!
    Now there’s nothing in the world!
    Now I am a Turk, not a Cossack
    goodbye having dressed!
    I won’t be so bad
    scho in turku i turned over?
    "
    http://songspro.ru/2/Boris-Gmirya/tekst-pesni-Ariya-Karasya-Teper-ya-turok-ne-ko

    zak
  27. Stas157
    Stas157 April 30 2016 08: 16
    +2
    . But from Turkey, an influx of interested people can pour in, given the fact that the Crimean Tatar diaspora in this country is from 3 to 5 million people.
    Something I can’t believe, all of this for me. First of all, these are plans that have little in common with reality. Well, why on earth would the Crimean Tatar go from Turkey, where the standard of living is higher in poor, ruined Ukraine? Yes, even on a bare spot!
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG April 30 2016 08: 47
      +1
      Quote: Stas157
      . But from Turkey, an influx of interested people can pour in, given the fact that the Crimean Tatar diaspora in this country is from 3 to 5 million people.
      Something I can’t believe, all of this for me. First of all, these are plans that have little in common with reality. Well, why on earth would the Crimean Tatar go from Turkey, where the standard of living is higher in poor, ruined Ukraine? Yes, even on a bare spot!


      Crimean Tatars are the most common gypsies. Like cheese in butter, they do not skate in Turkey. And propaganda is a serious thing - they will be promised the best living conditions and there can easily be anyone who wants to. How do they know the truth? In Turkey, you know what censorship is. When they arrive, they will see everything with their own eyes, then yes. Only returning will be much more difficult.
  28. sober
    sober April 30 2016 08: 19
    0
    one word Tatars !!!!!!!
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 30 2016 16: 36
      0
      What is the meaning of your comment? By the way, Crimean Tatars and not Tatars, strictly speaking.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 30 2016 19: 10
      0
      Quote: sober
      one word Tatars

      And what do Tatars dislike? I have a matchmaker Tatar, a neighbor in the garden Tatar - every year a red flag hangs. In, I respect the man!
  29. HAM
    HAM April 30 2016 08: 22
    +1
    "National" games always come to one end (see history) - any nation will surely disappear: either "Ukrainians" or "Crimean Tatars" in this case.
  30. demo
    demo April 30 2016 08: 26
    -1
    The only way out is to warn Kiev that in the event of any act of terrorism in the Kerch Strait, Russia will act in exactly the same way as the USA and Israel. It is about an immediate full-scale strike by aircraft, missiles, etc. on the bases of terrorists and their accomplices.

    Yah?
    So, we will warn and do?
    And when the citizens of the Russian Federation were killed on the territory of the Rostov region - did they strike at the "bases of terrorists"?
    If the whole state is one solid base?
    What are we going to hit?

    When the bonfire of war just started, when the power in Kiev did not strengthen, when the Americans were waiting and analyzing our reaction, when the people in Odessa were not yet burned, when the army was not drawn into the fratricidal war and was not covered with the blood of the people, then it was necessary to undertake the necessary and comprehensive steps.
    And from the territory of Donbass a series of such strikes were to be inflicted. so that to a depth of 600 km there is not even a hint of military towns and weapons depots.
    And there would not be this headache today.
    And for the implementation of this would be enough military. specialists with Ukrainian passports.

    And we, like blind kittens, peacekeepers, are your division.
    Indeed, on the pages of VO many voiced these thoughts.
    Who is clear, who is not explicit.
    But most believed in the infallible wisdom and resourcefulness of the Darkest.
    Without denying his wisdom and resourcefulness, no one suspects his plans.

    And here is the result.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG April 30 2016 09: 01
      +2
      And how many people hoped in Odessa, Kherson, in the Donbas for our help, especially with the example of the Crimea! Russia does not abandon its !!! How much pathos! I still remember the footage from the famous dock. when women came from Odessa to Crimea, cried, asked for protection from the Nazis, hoped for help from our army ... They protected Crimea, and there is no information about what happened to these women and their families.
    2. g1v2
      g1v2 April 30 2016 14: 46
      +1
      Explicit delirium - urgently haloperidol in the studio. laughing For intellectuals, I’ll explain that the fact that in our media did not write about the suppression of the firing points from which they fired on the Rostov Region in 2014 does not mean at all that this did not happen. All the firing points on the territory of Ukraine from which fire was fired on the territory of the Russian Federation were crushed by artillery and a rzso - there were plenty of witnesses. And the same Zelenopolye with units from 3 Ukrainian brigades was covered, according to all reports - both from the Donbass and Ukraine, by our regional security associations from our territory. But officially, we have not heard anything about it. wink And in August 2014, it was 3 thousand vacationers who broke the 10-thousandth southern Ukrainian group and set up the Illovaysky cauldron, and another thousand vacationers lifted the blockade of Lugansk and drove the lesson out of the river. And Minsk 1 Putin FORCED Ukraine to accept. This is a fact, just officially we don’t know anything like that. We have no type of concept about any vacationers. And Yatsenyuk live omitted broadcasting about the introduction of our units quite truthfully.
      And then when Minsk was adopted and the ceasefire regime worked, vacationers left, and only military experts and instructors remained. For a simple reason - we did not start this war and we DO NOT HAVE THESE TASKS THAT COULD BE DECIDED BY MILITARY METHOD. Here is the answer. Simply put, Strelkov openly lied to declaring himself the Kremlin’s ambassador, which we now see from his statements. No Kremlin sent him. The fact that we do not advertise our participation in 2014 - well, in our time in Egypt or Vietnam we also did not advertise it. request The state has its own interests and implements them in the way his hand considers correctly. wink
  31. Orionvit
    Orionvit April 30 2016 08: 56
    0
    Quote: Jura
    Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin
    This happened with the leadership of Banderlogia, because they do not know what they are doing.

    Alexander Olegovich, they know what they are doing, they are unprincipled cynics, they make money like that, they make money with their country. The most amazing thing is that many of those who are directly concerned are trying to tear off a piece for themselves, the method and morality are not important for them. They, these creatures, a minority, probably the time will come, they will smear their earth, this abomination will run to all corners of our planet.

    When this abomination will scatter, then shoot in the back. Sorry, pent.
  32. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb April 30 2016 09: 00
    0
    an impressive stream of people from Turkey can flood, given the fact that the Crimean Tatar diaspora in this country is from 3 to 5 million people. Poroshenko intends to resettle in the Kherson region and 200 thousand Meskhetian Turks, "not having the opportunity to return to their historical homeland" in Uzbekistan.


    What is going on in the minds of these people ???
  33. RUSS
    RUSS April 30 2016 09: 09
    +2
    I think this info about Kherson is a fake.
  34. jekasimf
    jekasimf April 30 2016 09: 22
    +3
    "The city of Kherson will be renamed Khan-Girey, and the land will be settled by a million immigrants from Turkey."
    Bullshit.
    "As a historian I will note" I do not know which author is "historian", but his logic is clearly not all right.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG April 30 2016 09: 34
      +1
      Quote: jekasimf
      "The city of Kherson will be renamed Khan-Girey, and the land will be settled by a million immigrants from Turkey."
      Bullshit.
      "As a historian I will note" I do not know which author is "historian", but his logic is clearly not all right.


      Have you not noticed that the whole policy of the current leadership of Ukraine is bullshit? If they offered something clever, I would immediately think that this is a fake. And this is the opposite in the spirit of dill!
      1. jekasimf
        jekasimf April 30 2016 10: 42
        +4
        And you can imagine that a million Tatars from prosperous Turkey, suddenly want to move to an impoverished, absolutely unpredictable "walk the field", with the overwhelming Slavic majority of the population. Which, moreover, is embittered to the extreme and just put a match and explode. internal enemy there is "not Jews so Muslims."
        And here it is not in Ukraine at all.
        By the way, a very good reason for changing the vector of hatred from Russia to the Tatars .... And the State Department understands this well and will never allow such a change. In Crimea, yes. In Ukraine, it is not profitable.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek April 30 2016 12: 08
          +1
          Quote: jekasimf
          And you can imagine that a million Tatars from prosperous Turkey, suddenly want to move to the impoverished, absolutely unpredictable "walk the field"


          Do not forget that there are about 15000 militants from Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia outside Turkey. In addition, many odious field commanders from the Dudayev team (such as Movladi Udugov, etc.) are "blooming and smelling" of the loot there. But the loot comes to an end, and for decent money, these bastards will go to fight anywhere (some of them are already fighting in a pack of "gray wolves", and some of them are part of the national battalions of the former Ukraine). So it would be frivolous to play down the danger in this direction. yes
  35. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 30 2016 09: 32
    +3
    The Kherson region is liquidated by the decision of the President of Ukraine - it is replaced by the Crimean Tatar national autonomy of Kiev submission

    Ukraine wants to bet on Turkey in the capture of Crimea.
    But the Turks are not fools to fight with Russia. It will be easier for them to subjugate Ukraine itself ...
  36. Lelek
    Lelek April 30 2016 11: 52
    +2
    (The only way out is to warn Kiev that in the event of any act of terrorism in the Kerch Strait, Russia will act in exactly the same way as the United States and Israel. The point is to immediately launch a full-scale attack by aircraft, missiles, etc. against terrorist bases and their accomplices.)

    But this is correct. But this warning must also be voiced in the UN Security Council. yes
  37. sergey2017
    sergey2017 April 30 2016 12: 31
    +2
    In Ukraine, they do not understand that even if this project succeeds, the Islamic state will never bring anything good to the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of today's Ukrainians! In this case, there will be a repeat of the fate of the Serbs, only according to the Ukrainian version can everything turn out even worse!
  38. kolobok63
    kolobok63 April 30 2016 14: 00
    0
    I agree with the author of the article, especially with its final part — the response to sabotage must be harsh! Even merciless! hi
  39. Alisher
    Alisher April 30 2016 14: 59
    0
    Poroshenko intends to resettle in the Kherson region and 200 thousand Meskhetian Turks, "not having the opportunity to return to their historical homeland" in Uzbekistan.

    Meskhetia is the border between Turkey and Georgia. In 1944, Meskhetian Turks were expelled to Central Asia, not only to Uzbekistan. According to Wikipedia, out of a total of 550 thousand people. 100 live in Turkey, Kazakhstan and Russia, 000 in the USA, 50 in Ukraine. At the same time, 000 people were supposed to relocate from Slavyansk Ukraine to Turkey in 10.
    So the obvious (not for everyone) stupidity is written, and either it’s fake, or under the guise of Turks and Tatars they will resettle anyone, if only for enemies for Russians, refugees from Iraq, etc., here they are right now in Turkey .
  40. Alisher
    Alisher April 30 2016 15: 34
    +1
    An interesting business with Turkey may be - get a couple of billion from the EU for refugees, spend several hundred million and throw 2 million refugees to Ukraine under the guise of Turks and Tatars. Of these millions, some will settle in the pockets of the top in Ukraine, Dzhemilev and others, and instead of the promised houses, refugees will have plywood huts, and this is only the very first. The rest will be told - forward to the Crimea and the Donbass, but in fact the majority of such a crowd would rather rush to the nearest border with the EU. And only then will the EU understand that something has gone wrong again.
  41. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 30 2016 15: 53
    +1
    We must do it right now.
    Because in the event of a bridge explosion, who are you going to bomb?
    They, according to the UN, are an unhappy people, which the Russian genocide is constantly.
    Remember the same Kosovo, which was the reason for the destruction of Serbia.
    So you need to shoot violent now.
    It is clear that not just a bullet in the forehead, but a series of accidents.
  42. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 April 30 2016 16: 44
    0
    With all the negative attitude towards the Ukrainian authorities and Poroshenko, I think that the respected Shirokorad (this is without any irony) still published a fake. In fact, solving such issues under Ukrainian law is not the responsibility of the President. At a minimum, this requires amendments to the Constitution.
  43. PValery53
    PValery53 April 30 2016 16: 44
    0
    Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER
    my natru is still the same, but by nature the person is very responsive, and when in the hop, his soul is like chicken shit - warm and soft

    -For the figurative and emotional characterization of the friend "plus".
  44. NordUral
    NordUral April 30 2016 20: 33
    +1
    From these pri_durkov it will become that Kiev will have a mosque instead of Sofia.
  45. atamankko
    atamankko April 30 2016 21: 43
    0
    From the junta can only be expected to be bad for their people.
  46. Viktr458
    Viktr458 1 May 2016 05: 33
    +1
    Can be. Russia's annexation of Crimea ahead of similar actions under their protectorate all year by three
  47. DPN
    DPN 1 May 2016 06: 54
    0
    Another mistake of Russia, it was not necessary to STOP the patriotic upsurge in the Donbass.
    To give the land of the USSR or tsarist Russia is the lot of modern Russia.
  48. antikilller55
    antikilller55 1 May 2016 20: 57
    0
    Maybe here she is the first sign of the collapse of the country of 404 into separate principalities, forward mayDAUNA !!