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“Limping” credibility of the purchase of “Rafale” and “Gripen” for the Vietnamese Air Force in the light of the “fight” for the Spratly

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Active maritime confrontation for control of the Spratly archipelago continues today between the leading "players" of Southeast Asia and parts of the Asia-Pacific region. The entire island chain of Spratly is divided between Vietnam, China, Taiwan, the Philippines and Malaysia, with Vietnam owning the largest number of coral islands (21), and Taiwan - the only and largest island of Taipindao with a runway built to base military and transport aviation. China owns no more than 10 islands of the archipelago and does not intend to calmly observe the large-scale military exercises of the Marine Corps of pro-American Taiwan, which arrived in Taipindao with hundreds of anti-tank systems and mortars in the fall of 2013. The Celestial Empire begins a program to create additional artificial sand islands to maintain parity with further superiority over Vietnam, Taiwan and the Philippines to control most of Bendong, because around the artificially washed islands, the Celestial Empire receives a 200-mile zone, which will almost completely block the South China Sea for free movement merchant and military fleets between the Indian Ocean and the Asia-Pacific region, which in the geostrategic plan for the US Navy and allies will transform the Indo-Asian-Pacific Reg ion in the real "swamp". Thus, the Spratly Islands additionally built or conquered by the PLA can be an excellent base for deploying hundreds of anti-ship missiles and various sonar systems to create long-range lines of anti-ship and anti-submarine defense on an ongoing basis. In addition, higher-quality reconnaissance outside the Philippines, which has many American RER facilities, as well as 8 military bases ready for redeployment, will become possible. The largest of them are considered to be the Subic Bay naval base, as well as Clark and Kubi Point avb. But the global military-political circumstances described in our review below may still hold Chinese ambitions indefinitely



The lands of Southeast Asia regarding the plans of Hanoi to sign a new defense contract for the purchase of 4 ++ generation fighter jets are filled with rumors in order to maintain control over the disputed Spratly island archipelago in the South China Sea. And these rumors are the stronger, the more military-political support is provided to Vietnam by the United States. The Spratly environs are increasingly patrolling the long-range P-8A "Poseidon" anti-submarine aircraft, carefully watching the actions of the Chinese Navy and Air Force, and the American fleet plans to send unmanned secret MAPLs to frighten the PRC, whose existence has recently become known, on the sea itself. Many observers and agencies, calling what is happening “Vietnamese drift towards Washington and away from Russia,” start earning money by spreading rumors about Vietnam’s preparation of an agreement to acquire Western tactical aviation, explaining everything by shifting the foreign policy vector to the west.

For example, on April 25, the Internet resource defence-blog.com, citing Reuters, published news on consultations between Hanoi and Dassault and Saab companies on a possible contract for the 12 of the Rafale or Jas-39 Gripen fighters. Another unnamed source quickly questioned the Reuters message, calling it information leakage, and also published its data on the planned purchase of super-maneuverable multi-role X-NUMX ++ fighter jets from the Su-4C in the amount of several units from Russia, but there was no confirmation from either Vietnamese, nor by the Russian Federation. This can not push on certain reflections.

In trade and economic terms, Vietnam is indeed continuing to “drift in the waters” of the United States: the level of trade turnover between the states reached 38 billion dollars, with Russia the total is 4 billion dollars. First of all, this is due to the establishment of diplomatic relations with Washington, which were signed by 20 years ago. The Americans, seeing in Vietnam an excellent friendly base for spreading geostrategic influence in Southeast Asia, began to urgently support all the controversial problems of Hanoi, in particular, the territorial dispute over the Paracel Islands and the Spratly archipelago. First of all, in 2005, at a meeting between Fan Van Khai and Donald Rumsfeld in Washington, military cooperation was intensified between the countries, which later developed into the mainstream of intelligence sharing and training of Vietnamese military personnel in American military academies according to Western standards. All these initiatives finally strengthened after D. Rumsfeld’s visit to Vietnam in the summer of 2006, immediately after the free trade agreement with the USA came into force. In the course of this visit, the sacramental phrase that the States want to build a relationship path, "which is convenient for both, and others," came out of the mouth of the then US Secretary of Defense. It seems that the statement is based on foreign policy and economic relations, this statement is very simple, but there is also a deep far-reaching subtext, the result of which is now the militarization of the South China Sea, aimed at controlling the Chinese Navy from the disputed island archipelagoes.

Many interesting details of the US-Vietnamese cooperation will become known to the international media in May 2016, when B. Obama arrives on an official visit to Vietnam. But no matter how high-ranking officials of the West visit the republic, and whose Vietnamese enlistment support against the PRC, one thing will remain unchanged for a very long time - the military-technical element base of the SRV, which consists of 90% of Russian weapons.

For example, the Vietnamese Air Force is armed with X-NUMX multipurpose fighter Su-24MK30, 2 fighter-interceptor Su-7SK and 27 training-combat Su-5ББК. The first ones are capable of releasing the 27C / D Lanzhou / Kunming X-XNNXXM Ovod X-XNNMX Ovod missile with an active radar homing missile system in a single sortie in Chinese X-NUMXC / D Lanzhou / Kunming. Some of the missiles will clearly “break through” the defense of the HQ-052 air defense missile systems, so it’s not necessary to say that the Vietnamese air force cannot “show teeth” on its own. The Thirties can air combat with Chinese J-100A or similar Su-59MK9 / IWC, but the repeated numerical superiority of the Chinese Air Force speaks about everything, so Vietnam really needs additional tactical fighters.


The Vietnamese Air Force Su-30MK2В are in service with high maneuverability, a large radius of action (over 1400 km), as well as a “separate” configuration of power plants, which put the family “Su” in priority over the more expensive “Rafalees” and less maneuverable "Gripen". But Su-31MK30B are equipped with an upgraded H2BE radar with a Cassegrain array, which has a fighter-type target detection range of about 001 km, which is not enough for long-range air combat with Chinese licensed J-130B / D and J-XNXX who have already started to put AFAR. But there are also serious advantages: the H11BE radar has received air-to-ground and air-to-sea modes of operation, from which the range of attack missile weapons is not inferior to the same Su-15MKI


And the fact that they should be exactly Russian cars is confirmed both by the large number of tactical and technical moments and the vast experience of the Vietnamese pilots, which was acquired during the operation of the Su-30MK2 and Su-27SK. It is known that even the training of the air force of the Vietnamese Air Force initially took place in India on the more advanced multipurpose Su-30MKI fighter jets. Despite the fact that the Thai Air Force mastered the operation of Gripenov in Southeast Asia (acquired 8 Jas-39C and 4 Jas-39D), these fighters would soon become useless for Vietnam. Firstly, a small combat range (up to 900 km) will not allow for a long time to patrol the airspace near the Paracel Islands and the Spratly, and even 12 fighters will be catastrophically small for any collisions with Chinese aircraft. Secondly, the PS-05A on-board radar with a slit antenna array (SCHAR), which is installed today on the Gripen, does not allow for air combat even with standard J-10A versions. The fighter target detection range (3 m2 EPR) for the PS-05A radar is about 65 km, for the Pearl radar installed at J-10A, it approaches 100 km. Even the installation of a promising radar c AFAR "NORA" and high-speed tactical information exchange CDL-39 will not affect the situation, since the Celestial Empire will soon receive the X-NUMX Su-24C fighter, which can only be countered by machines with Irbis-like parameters of the on-board radar. In addition, serious progress is being made to fine-tune the J-35, J-31S and J-15 fighters of the Shenyang and Chengdu companies to a state of alert. The unobtrusive J-20 multi-role fighter in the future will surpass the F-31A, and the deck J-35S (a hybrid of the Su-15 and the Su-33МК) will reach the level of the Su-30С.

Rafale, which has a significantly longer range (1300 - 1700 km depending on flight mode) and RBE-2AA radar (typical target range - 160 km), also poorly meets the requirements of the Vietnamese air force in the current military-tactical situation. The radar remains in 2,5 times weaker than the Irbis-E H035, and the Linkovsky tactical data transfer standards are completely unrelated to our K-DLAE set on the Vietnamese Su-30MK2, and the price for Rafale in a hundred million dollars is unlikely to attract the Ministry of Defense of Vietnam.

The only affordable and most efficient aviation complex with a reasonable price for Vietnam is Su-35С, the costs and time for retraining of flight personnel will be minimal, and logistic support is almost identical to that used by Su-30МК2 fighters.


Selling a batch of Su-35s to Vietnam can fundamentally change the balance of power in the region, in some respects the level of opportunities with the Chinese Su-35C. The contract for these vehicles may open prospects for NRW to defend their own part of the Spratly archipelago. HBNUMX Irbis-E airborne radars are capable of working on a much larger list of targets than the Bars H035M: anti-ship missiles, PRLR, unmanned aerial vehicles with EPR 011 m0,01 can be destroyed when intercepting beyond visual visibility, hypersonic air defense systems can destroy, XRUMX X2 when intercepting beyond visual visibility, hypersonic air assets of an air attack 1550 m35 can intercept beyond the limits of visual visibility, hypersonic air assets of the air attack XNUMX mXNUMX can intercept beyond the limits of visual visibility, hypersonic air assets of the air attack XNUMX mXNUMX can intercept beyond the limits of visual visibility, hypersonic air assets of the air attack XNUMX mXNUMX can intercept beyond the limits of visual visibility, hypersonic air assets of the air attack XNUMX mXNUMX can intercept outside the limits of visual visibility. to XNUMX m / s, the ground-based and ship-to-air missile defense systems and even other air-to-air missiles. "Irbis-E" continues to be ahead of time, being a powerful airborne radar for tactical aviation. Su-XNUMXS, equipped with this RLPK, are a good alternative to expensive long-range radar detection and control aircraft. The entry of the Thirty-Fifths into the air forces of small states can calm all sorts of ambitions and claims of regional and, in part, global hegemons for absolute supremacy in one or another part of the world, which to some extent contributes to the process of "detente."


The construction of the Vietnamese army around our military-industrial complex is confirmed literally every quarter. So, April 27, 2016, at the Zelenodolsk plant them. Gorky completed the construction of a frigate of the type "Cheetah-3.9" of project 11661E (export modification of project 11661K "Tatarstan") for the Navy of Vietnam. This is the third project patrol ship built for Vietnamese fleet. “Cheetahs” carry on board: 1 PRAK 3R89 Palma combat module, 3K24E Uran-E anti-ship missile system with 8 Kh-35U anti-ship missiles, 2 Igla-M MANPADS, 1x76 mm AU AK-176, and also a full-fledged sonar system “Zarnitsa” with an additional towed hydro-acoustic system and a suppression device “Snake”. The ships are well prepared for anti-submarine defense in the South China Sea together with 6 diesel-electric submarines of Varshavyanka Project 636.1 (the last submarine is being completed, and the fifth was delivered to Kamran in early February of this year). The coastal zone is perfectly protected by 8 Bastion-S missile launchers, and strategically important objects are covered by two S-300PMU-2 anti-aircraft missile divisions, 6 Buk-M2E air defense missile systems and 12 Armor-S1 air defense systems. In addition, there are more than 70 old S-75 Volga-2MV, S-125 Pechora, Kub, Strela-10, and Igla-S MANPADS. Vietnam’s defense is certainly not a weak point.


In service with the Air Force and Air Defense of Vietnam, there is a little-known "trump card" in the form of 30 divisions of the Pechora C-125 SAM system. We remember that the inconspicuous F-117A was shot down over Yugoslavia by a similar system that absolutely did not go through any modernization programs. Vietnamese complexes are being upgraded to the most advanced version of C-125-2ТМ “Pechora-2ТМ”. The works are carried out by the Belarusian unitary enterprise Tetrahedr, which is also known for the development of the S-Tletunn anti-aircraft missile system T-38. What is the new "Pechora-2TM"? Fully updated digital element base of the missile guidance station (MRLS) SNR-125-2TM, increasing the channel capacity to 2-x simultaneously fired at the division, digitizing the command and control center (PBU) UNK-2ТM (AWM of the complex operators received color liquid crystal MFIs, and high-speed tires for obtaining tactical information from attached radar or more long-range air defense missiles and DRLO aircraft). Thanks to the new fire control software, the following has been increased: the maximum speed of the target to be hit is up to 3250 km / h, the minimum ESR is up to 0,02 м2 (even steeper than C-300PS, 0,05 m2), the minimum height of the targets is up to 20 m, the maximum - to 25000 m, the maximum range of reach reached 43 km (only after upgrading the rocket engine of the 5ВХNUMXД rocket engine), and the noise immunity indicator - to 27 W / MHz. The Pechora-2700TM complex exceeded the Kub air defense system many times and was able to withstand all modern air threats, including high-precision missile weapon and unobtrusive aviation. Like other well-known modifications of the Pechora, the C-125-2TM received an optical-electronic sighting system, but with more advanced matrix receivers of the visible and infrared spectra. The day / night ECO-2TM installed at the antenna post UNV-2TM together with the CHP has TV / IR viewing channels with a digital converter for displaying information to the MFI. The optoelectronic complex brings noise immunity to a whole new level.


But the Chinese edition mil.news.sina.com.cn was quick to declare that the PRC is capable of destroying the entire fleet of the Vietnamese air force with just one blow. As weapons, which are planned to inflict this “decapitating” strike, the multi-purpose fighters J-11B and J-11D are mentioned, stationed at an unnamed airbase near the southern coast of the South China Sea, as well as KJ-200 / 500 airborne aircraft that will control tactical air strike operation, tracking Vietnamese fighters and tactical cruise missiles. It is indicated that the Chinese airbase is just 280 km from the Vietnamese coastline, which will make it possible to reach the air borders of Vietnam in just 15 minutes, but the fact is not indicated that without the support of operational-tactical missile systems, PLA will have to make a lot of losses.

The Vietnamese “Three Hundreds” and “Buki” will be able to intercept many of the J-11B / D fighters before being destroyed by dozens of Chinese anti-radar missiles, which will be knocked off not only by the C-300PMU-1, but also by the 12 Pantsir-C1 complexes. A "Pechora", "Arrows" and "Needles" will make the airspace of Vietnam inaccessible to the Chinese attack helicopters WZ-10 and attack aircraft. Such a forecast of the effectiveness of the Vietnamese air defense will correspond to reality only without taking into account the use by the PLA of Dongfeng ballistic missiles, but the use of these weapons was not mentioned in the mil.news.sina.com.cn publication.

In the event of a military conflict with Vietnam, the Chinese can organize a competent ground-based offensive operation, in which MLRS units armed with high-precision WS-2D, WS-3, WM-120 and multiple launch rocket systems will participate. Only they, in conjunction with attack aircraft, will be able to quickly disable modern air defense of Vietnam. But the main part of the Vietnamese air fleet will retain full combat capability, which will make the PRC think about the consequences for the “southern air base” mentioned in the Chinese edition.

The distance from the air base to the Vietnamese coast is 280 km, which means that we are talking about Chinese airfields located on Hainan Island. The Vietnamese air force has all the means to defeat military installations in Hainan. Over 100MK59 tactical missiles of the air-to-ground class 2, designed to destroy stationary fortified objects, are part of the weapons of the Vietnamese Su-30MK2. These missiles will become a real nightmare for the air base in Hainan: as it became known from sources, Hainan is covered by the HQ-9 anti-aircraft missile system. It has significant limitations in the fight against low-altitude targets; official sources determine the lower limit of the target hit by the complex - 0,5 km, which does not allow for the interception of cruise missiles and other similar EAS. The air defense of the Chinese fleet will also not be able to reach the boundaries of the island airbase, since low-noise diesel-electric submarines of 636.1 Navy of Vietnam will operate in the South China Sea. And for the additional "intimidation" in the arsenal of the Vietnamese Air Force there are 38 fighter-bombers Su-22UM-3К / М4, capable of taking X-2Т heavy air-to-ground missiles on 29 suspensions. The new, better TVGSN Tube-2 has increased the launch range from 10 to 30 km. Now Su-22М4 during the low-altitude start-up should not at all approach the target defended by modern air defense systems on “deadly” 10 km, increasing the pilot’s safety hundreds of times. The mass of the X-29T high explosive penetrating warhead is 317 kg, due to which the most powerful enemy defenses can be amazed.

This scenario of a local conflict between Vietnam and the PRC has a very real military-political and economic justification. In addition to the constant monitoring of the strategically important sea transport interchange near the Spratly archipelago, there are also huge deposits of major energy resources (oil and gas), which the Celestial can not “calmly watch”. But such an exacerbation is unlikely to outgrow into anything more serious, because Beijing realizes that any aggressive action against Vietnam will entail even greater militarization of the region of the US Armed Forces, which is very unprofitable for China, especially in the absence of 5 generation strategic bombers.

The US is also not particularly eager to go into direct conflict with the PRC, since Washington also understands that the PLA is capable of destroying the entire developing "network" of American naval forces in the APR. Another important point is that in the territory of Vietnam, even in the long term, there will be no American military installations. First, thanks to the legislatively approved extension of rights for the Russian Navy to use the naval base in Cam Ranh. Secondly, in view of the supply of modern Russian armaments, which should not even come close to the eyes of the American military, and even more so, they can be studied with the help of various electronic reconnaissance systems from short distances; It is not difficult to assume that all these moments were long ago agreed between the leaderships of Russia and Vietnam. Now, using the example of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, we see a situation where a small developing state builds its economic base “on a western garden”, has external military-tactical support from the West, and this does not interfere with full-fledged military-technical cooperation with Russia, plus - providing its own naval facilities for the needs of our fleet. The “Big Game” model is thoughtful and cunning, partly unpleasant for us, but very profitable. And this is another feature of the multifaceted and "multipolar world" which is being built today.
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  1. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 5 May 2016 07: 26 New
    +5
    Weighted and judicious material, author and article plus.
    1. Leto
      Leto 5 May 2016 08: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Arctidian
      Weighted and judicious material, author and article plus.

      ???? A ball of abbreviations + inflamed consciousness = Evgeny Damantsev ...
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 5 May 2016 08: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: Leto
        ???? A ball of abbreviations + inflamed consciousness = Evgeny Damantsev ...

        that's for sure) The main thing is not at all clear where does Rafali and the Flu, how they can help in the war against China wassat The Vietnamese do not have the same Finnish capabilities as the Indians, so they will not go anywhere from our military-industrial complex
        1. Talgat
          Talgat 5 May 2016 21: 05 New
          +5
          My opinion

          1) Не будет Вьетнам никогда покупать рафали гриппены или амеровское - и не только потому что дорого - а т к тогда он однозначно выйдет из под "зонтика" России и попадет под зонтик США и Запада - как Япония или Тайвань с Южной Кореей - и станет разменной монетой и инструментом США против КИтая - что означает войну или как минимум предвоенное противостояние с державой - которая скоро станет центром силы

          2) Тем не менее - Вьетнаму надо защищать свои интересы - как и всем соседям Китая - но лучше и безопаснее это делать не в союзе с США (которые просто используют тебя как пушечное мясо - в момент когда им надо будет устроить войну) - а в союзе с Россией - которая одновременно и союзник Китая против запада - но в то же время и баланс Китая на материке. Т е вероятнее всего будет мир - и даже сотрудничество с КИтаем - но если начнет "прижимать" то можно аппелировать к Москве

          3) And China is also more profitable when Vietnam buys weapons in Russia - although at first glance it seems that not - because these weapons are directed against China

          But I think everyone will agree - that if you take weapons in the west - then the situation is definitely worse - and then this is almost a conflict already. I am sure that China understands this - even better Vietnam is arming with Russia - which, if not China’s ally, is a friendly country and strategic partner for the time being.

          Summary - the purchase of weapons in Russia at the same time solves the 2 tasks of Vietnam - and the defense potential against China - and at the same time the ability to always get away from conflict and war - because there is no pressure and influence from the USA and the West - and vice versa - there will be support for Russia in resolving possible Conflicts with China
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 6 May 2016 11: 34 New
            +3
            And when both sides in a military conflict buy weapons from one
            the same supplier?
            What will happen? Both countries will present an ultimatum to Russia: stop
            arm the enemy, otherwise ...
            Who has more economic leverage: China, of course.
            So Vietnam will remain without additional supplies, without spare parts and ammunition.

            Therefore, they stirred, even knowing that both the Swedes and the French were less suitable for them.
            1. samoletil18
              samoletil18 6 May 2016 22: 38 New
              +3
              It is so. But ... Buying weapons from us, Vietnam definitely gets a kind of arbitrator in the form of our Foreign Ministry, which in any case will translate the dispute into a political channel.
          2. yehat
            yehat 6 May 2016 14: 25 New
            0
            Interestingly, the base of the Russian Federation in Vietnam will be reanimated or not?
            I mean, to the level of having an airfield with strategists
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 7 May 2016 18: 13 New
              0
              Russia alone will still be hard - and Ukraine has both Crimea and the confrontation in the west and the Arctic

              I think if there is a base in Vietnam, then already under the Eurasian Union. Moreover, Vietnam wants to enter the free trade zone with the EAC.
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 5 May 2016 11: 03 New
      +4
      Nice article. We have a base in Kamrani, and therefore we are helping the Vietnamese. It is right. We must have fleet strongholds in this region.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 7 May 2016 19: 52 New
        0
        There is no base there for a long time.
  2. Blondy
    Blondy 5 May 2016 07: 27 New
    +9
    Between China and Vietnam, relations are centuries-old, long-standing, in which the Vietnamese, in my opinion, can always be, with rare exceptions, beat the Chinese. Of course, today's China is not that old, but remembering Suvorov that they beat not with numbers but with skill, here, again, in my opinion, China and Vietnam are still two big differences, despite the fact that the Chinese are beautiful, very powerful looking parades.
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 5 May 2016 08: 08 New
      +7
      The Chinese have a good military-industrial complex, and where the Vietnamese buy something.
      1. Portolan
        Portolan 5 May 2016 09: 27 New
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        Quote: Kenneth
        The Chinese have a good military-industrial complex, and where the Vietnamese buy something.
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        that’s why the Viet Cong must take more dryers.
  3. Kenneth
    Kenneth 5 May 2016 08: 06 New
    +1
    And we are for whom.
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 5 May 2016 08: 39 New
      0
      And also, apparently, as in 1979
    2. bulvas
      bulvas 5 May 2016 08: 46 New
      +6
      Quote: Kenneth
      And we are for whom.


      For myself
      1. yehat
        yehat 6 May 2016 14: 27 New
        0
        we are for ourselves and for peace between countries where our interests exist.
    3. gunn
      gunn 5 May 2016 08: 48 New
      +2
      we are on the side and for the supply of our products to both sides
    4. samoletil18
      samoletil18 7 May 2016 19: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Kenneth
      And we are for whom.

      For those who are against the United States. No one at the moment.
  4. bad
    bad 5 May 2016 08: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Kenneth
    And we are for whom.
    ..and for myself .. soldier laughing
  5. pigkiller
    pigkiller 5 May 2016 09: 15 New
    +2
    After the conflict in 2014, relations between China and the DRV did not improve at all, which is used by the Kindest
    the empire, namely, drives another thorn in the West to the Chinese, in addition to Xinjiang, Tibet, Taiwan and others.
    and is actively drawing former USSR clients to Southeast Asia.
  6. mvg
    mvg 5 May 2016 09: 24 New
    +3
    Статья приближается к рекламному бреду! С желтой окантовкой. С каких это пор X-59 стали ПКР? Что с новым двиглом, и литерой М, научились за кораблями охотиться? От них даже в Чечне отказались.. Теряли стационарные цели.. Это миллионы - запущенные в небо. Да к нему еще и контейнеры прицельные нужны.. которые до ума так и не довели. У французов и шведов есть свои козыри, не даром они выигрывают тендера, где участвуют и российские и американские машины.. Простите, статью не дочитал, не хочу с утра забивать голову такой куйней.. Как смертоносные Су-22 и ПВО на 10 км.. и многое другое.. Аффтора однозначно в "черный список" для чтения.. (Я лучше Капцова буду читать..)
    P.S.: Китай с Вьетнамом воевать не будет, а, если и случиться локальный конфликт, он быстро будет погашен ОТР, коих у Китая тысячи.. А, после "артподготовки" и уничтожения ПВО, будут разбиты промышленные комплексы Вьетнама, а уж пехота в джунгли не полезет.. хватило прошлых раз.
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 5 May 2016 20: 26 New
      +2
      X-59MKs with ARLGS-PKR. Read here

      http://www.ktrv.ru/production/68/673/691/

      "
      Aircraft Guided Missile X-59MK
      The Kh-59MK guided long-range air-to-surface missile with an active ARGS-59E homing radar is a modification of the Kh-59ME missile with a television command guidance system and is designed to hit a wide range of radar-contrasting surface targets at any time as in simple and in difficult weather conditions with sea waves up to 6 points.
      Ракета входит в состав вооружения авиационных комплексов типа Су-30"
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 6 May 2016 15: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: Bersaglieri
        X-59MKs with ARLGS-PKR. Read here

        There is one ambush, dear Bersaglieri. The X-59MK was never shipped to Vietnam, so it’s very difficult to imagine that Vietnamese pilots could shoot at them ...
  7. pigkiller
    pigkiller 5 May 2016 09: 42 New
    +2
    There is only one question: on whose loans will Vietnam buy and service expensive equipment, apart from the training of pilots and ground personnel?
    1. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 5 May 2016 10: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: pigkiller
      There is only one question: on whose loans will Vietnam buy and service expensive equipment, apart from the training of pilots and ground personnel?

      Why do you think that Vietnam will buy weapons for someone else's loans. Vietnam is a fairly economically independent state. The question is not to the point.
      1. Kenneth
        Kenneth 5 May 2016 12: 01 New
        +5
        In September 2000, Russia wrote off $ 9,53 billion of Vietnam’s $ 11,03 billion debt. Payment of the remaining amount is deferred for 2016–2022. So the question is essentially.
    2. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 5 May 2016 10: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: pigkiller
      There is only one question: on whose loans will Vietnam buy and service expensive equipment, apart from the training of pilots and ground personnel?

      Why do you think that Vietnam will buy weapons for someone else's loans. Vietnam is a fairly economically independent state. The question is not to the point.
      1. pigkiller
        pigkiller 5 May 2016 11: 14 New
        +1
        The question is essentially. The economic viability of the DRV is indicated by the mass labor emigration of the Vietnamese. The United States and Co., as standard, wish to plant DRV on a credit needle.
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  8. drilled
    drilled 5 May 2016 11: 27 New
    +1
    Ну, Рафаль- ладно. Хоть и средненькая, но машина. А Грипэн им нафига? Это шведское бревно еще в чертежах гремело старостью! Вряд ли они "звездочки" так нанюхались.
  9. Vivan
    Vivan 5 May 2016 11: 27 New
    +1
    “... for the control of most of Bjendong” - this sentence may cause bewilderment of the reader. From ancient times, the Vietnamese called the South China Sea “Bendong” (“East Sea”), and the Filipinos now call this sea the “West Philippine Sea”.

    In my opinion, the Chinese leadership is not so stupid as to start a big war against Vietnam. There is no need for this (the great war with Vietnam). Beijing is well aware that now most Vietnamese have a very strong anti-communist and anti-Chinese mood, and that most Vietnamese are ready to fight the Chinese to the end, and the Vietnamese leadership lives in fear of a popular uprising. Over the past 30 years, China has been acting extremely cautiously and reasonably - while providing Vietnam with finances, it is exerting political, cultural and military pressure on Vietnam in every way. The Vietnamese leadership, wanting to maintain the stability of the regime, has made all kinds of concessions for 30 years, as a result of which the Vietnamese economy is now completely dependent on China. It seems that the Chinese and Vietnamese leaders are working together and have a common goal - to turn Vietnam into a kind of autonomous region of China. And, acting in this way, Hanoi and Beijing all the time carefully follow the mood of the Vietnamese, so as not to give them a reason to be indignant and begin decisive actions.

    Everything is going according to Beijing's plan, so there is no need for him to start a war. Hanoi seems to be reluctant to follow Beijing's instructions, but he has nowhere to go (“Either with me, or your people with the help of the USA will overthrow you!”).

    All these hype around Western weapons is just a spectacle, with the help of which Hanoi sends a signal to Beijing: “You do not really push me, otherwise I will break with you!” But Beijing, if only henna ...
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 5 May 2016 15: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Vivan
      Hanoi seems to be reluctant to follow Beijing's instructions, but he has nowhere to go (“Either with me, or your people with the help of the USA will overthrow you!”).

      belay Какие это "указания" Пекина выполняет Вьетнам ? Вообще-то сейчас у Вьетнама как раз таки "роман" с Западом,в частности с США.
      Если же во Вьетнаме произойдет "народное восстание" под чутким руководством США,то он тут же превратиться в новую Ливию.Последствия будут катастрофическими.
  10. Evil 55
    Evil 55 5 May 2016 11: 45 New
    +1
    A good analysis and a competent proposal ... Good ears would still hear everything and smart heads made the right decision ..
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 May 2016 11: 54 New
    +3
    Grippen is a very underrated car. in terms of price and quality, a very good aircraft. And 50% of the problems are American and European components and the prostitute behavior of Sweden. As a result, this aircraft in case of war falls under the sanctions of the United States and Europe and Sweden itself.
  12. Lester7777
    Lester7777 5 May 2016 12: 46 New
    0
    Very doubtful. Rather, the Vietnamese are trying to diversify their traditional arms suppliers.
  13. alovrov
    alovrov 5 May 2016 14: 34 New
    +4
    Были уже одни такие "хитрые", но свидомый зад разорвали, пытаясь усидеть на двух стульях. Если вьетнамцы будут всерьез продолжать пытаться усидеть на двух стульях - будет опять два Вьетнама, со всеми вытекающими прелестями. Автор в последней строчке текста выразил очевидную глупость.
  14. Odysseus
    Odysseus 5 May 2016 15: 41 New
    +2
    The main message of the article, of course, is true. Vietnam is unlikely to buy Rafali or Gripeny.
    Our drying is really the main candidate for strengthening the Vietnam Air Force.
    However, in the second part of the article there are many inaccuracies, which reduces its cognitive value.
    For example, a very strange indication of the lower boundary of the lesion at HQ-9-500 m. Actually, it is 25 m. Well .i.t.d.
  15. Maikmigel
    Maikmigel 5 May 2016 15: 46 New
    +1
    The Vietnamese seem in 79 heaped on the Chinese !?
    Well, still pile on.
  16. misterwulf
    misterwulf 5 May 2016 16: 31 New
    +1
    Yes, everything is elementary. The salary of the French worker and engineer is higher. Drive their socialism. Therefore, their plane is several times more expensive than ours. And the taxes are good there. That Depardieu and Patricia Kaas fled here laughing
  17. mayhem
    mayhem 5 May 2016 18: 51 New
    0
    Not an enviable position in Vietnam they need to do. an alliance with Russia to ask to place our bases then there will be a guarantee of security, well, I think from 300 to more so that losses in cases of Chinese aggression are real, it will be very difficult to fight them in the sky, as my friend said, a man is fighting in the sky, as he will be prepared and the battle will end, so you need to train in sweat)))
  18. marat2016
    marat2016 5 May 2016 20: 36 New
    +1
    When Vietnam's air defense managed to get beeches and armor ?!
  19. mav1971
    mav1971 5 May 2016 20: 37 New
    +1
    The Vietnamese Three Hundreds and Buki will be able to intercept many J-11B / D fighters before they are destroyed by dozens of Chinese anti-radar missiles, which will be shot down not only by the S-300PMU-1, but also by the 12 Shell-C1 complexes.


    I was always interested in how people easily and naturally knock down PRRs flying at speed in 4M.
    A scanty rocket that has volumes and dimensions 5 times smaller than the same 48Н6E.
    У нее ЭПР то смешной - его обнаружит С-300 на какой дистанции? Когда уже "поздняк" полный будет?
    And one at a time such missiles are not allowed. and on 2 they’re not allowed. In Iraq, two dozen were shot at the radar.
    Do you think there will be less now?
    Shell-S1 is not a topic at all against PRR. No...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 7 May 2016 02: 49 New
      +1
      PRR like HARM or Russian Х58 fly about 100 km (max).
      Intercepting them, you rightly said, is almost impossible.
      But C-300 can attack the plane launching them, before launch.
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 7 May 2016 23: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        PRR like HARM or Russian Х58 fly about 100 km (max).
        Intercepting them, you rightly said, is almost impossible.
        But C-300 can attack the plane launching them, before launch.


        PRLR carrier aircraft have never attacked an air defense system. And why? Yes, because the launch of the PRR does not need a target capture. They just let it go in the direction of the target, and there it will probably find the target on the web. Herself. Therefore, the expense in Iraq of tens of thousands of PRR

        There are no harms left ..
        AAGRMs have long been in service.
        Although they have a similar weapon code, the GOS and the engine are updated.
        To 180 km start distance.
        И ИНС, м мм-ГСН, и в случае потери сигнала ищут сами цели в виде КШМ и ПУ в районе первоначального источника сигнала и "выносят" инфраструктуру.
        Modern PRRs are very smart weapons.
  20. voliador
    voliador 5 May 2016 22: 26 New
    +1
    The Chinas in the last forty years have only seriously fought once - in the early 80s, just with the Vietnamese, and robbed of them.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 6 May 2016 11: 39 New
      +2
      Only the Chinese managed in forty years to multiply their GDP more,
      than 100 times and become the world's number 2 superpower.
      And ANY country without exception can now grab them from them.