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Media: Moscow will soon be able to set the price of domestic oil

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The futures platform being created in Russia will allow Moscow to fulfill its long-held dream of independently creating a fair price for Urals oil and avoiding pricing in dollars, Look Post by Bloomberg.


Media: Moscow will soon be able to set the price of domestic oil


“Russia is trying to attract foreign traders to the emerging futures platform based on the St. Petersburg International Commodity and Raw Materials Exchange (SPIMTSB). The goal is to increase revenues from the sale of oil of the Russian brand Urals, making it pricing independent of the price of the reference European brand Brent. Another task of the Russian leadership is to get away from estimating the price of oil in dollars, ”the agency writes.

According to the head of SPIMEX, Andrei Rybnikov, “the goal is to create a system in which Russian oil is valued and traded in a fair and simple way.”

“Russia has long complained that a lower-quality Urals is being sold at a discount relative to the price of Brent. Your futures market will give Russia the opportunity to improve the pricing method and allow national companies to generate additional income, he explained.

According to Bloomberg, while “Western players are frightened away from participating in the project several factors, among them suspicion of the Russian government’s desire to intervene in oil prices, as well as ruble volatility, which will be used for futures margins.”

It is noted that in order to attract traders, the Bank of Russia is preparing amendments to the legislation on providing foreign firms with access to exchange goods and their derivatives.
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  1. Hellraiser
    Hellraiser April 29 2016 12: 11
    +17
    That is right. It is high time. good
    1. Andrey K
      Andrey K April 29 2016 12: 21
      +41
      About trading futures on Russian exchanges, the conversation has been going on for the past five years.
      In St. Petersburg they tried to sell gas, now there is talk about oil ...
      Do it, not talk ...
      Not a single exchange will give up such a tidbit from itself, and with an eye to the "west", as we do, we will once again run out of talking shop.
      1. atalef
        atalef April 29 2016 12: 35
        -2
        Quote: Andrey K
        About trading futures on Russian exchanges, the conversation has been going on for the past five years.

        It’s strange, yes, but the Russian media from Kmselyov to Leontief argue that futures are a scam for suckers wink
        Quote: Andrey K
        Not a single exchange will give such a tidbit from itself,

        It is not in her power.
        The exchange does not have many opportunities at all - traders are a completely different calico
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K April 29 2016 12: 44
          +9
          1. The media for that and the media to convey to our attention different points of view. Therefore, the statements "from Kiselyov to Leontiev" do not introduce any dissonance, everything is as it should be. Someone passes off wishful thinking, someone works as heralds, and someone makes reality smile
          2.You answered yourself, the word "exchange" means a trading floor where traders with a "different calico" have the opportunity to influence the course of trading hi
      2. Dam
        Dam April 29 2016 12: 41
        +3
        Unfortunately, our country is designed in such a way that political will is required to disperse inertia and open sabotage
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 April 29 2016 13: 21
        -2
        To attract traders, the Bank of Russia is preparing amendments to legislation on providing foreign firms with access to exchange commodities and their derivatives

        The correct and timely decision.
        1. fif21
          fif21 April 29 2016 13: 39
          0
          Quote: GSH-18
          The correct and timely decision.
          7 years have passed since the foundation of the Petersburg Exchange. Russian learning is fantastic. In the 90s, good uncles from across the ocean told us the rules of the game, in 25 years they learned something. good
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      4. BilliBoms09
        BilliBoms09 April 29 2016 14: 55
        +2
        About trading futures on Russian exchanges, the conversation has been going on for the past five years.
        Futures are the so-called paper oil and they are sold several times more than real. And this is pure speculation and inflation of the bubble. Russia should not engage in speculation, but the real economy and sell goods with high added value, that is, not raw materials, but derivatives of deep processing. You can earn more !!!
        1. atalef
          atalef April 29 2016 15: 18
          +3
          Quote: BilliBoms09
          Futures are the so-called paper oil and they are several times more sold than real. And this is pure speculation and inflation of the bubble.

          You do not quite understand what futures are. Futures are sold under real deliveries (deferred).
          There are no real futures. Every futures is a real contract. secured by real delivery.
          1. Lekov L
            Lekov L April 29 2016 21: 10
            +2
            Futures - dumb speculation on rumors and expectations of market movement up or down,
            actually from the option is not much different.
            Option (lat. Optio - choice, desire, discretion) - a contract in which an option buyer (potential buyer or potential seller of an underlying asset - product, security) is entitled, but not obligated, to make a purchase or sale of this asset at a predetermined price at a certain time in the contract in the future or for a certain period of time. In this case, the seller of the option is obligated to make a return sale or purchase of an asset in accordance with the terms of the option sold.
            An option is one of the derivative financial instruments. There are options to sell (put option), to buy (call option) and bilateral (double option) [1] [2]. Options and futures are in many ways similar financial instruments, but there are some fundamental differences.
            VIKI (s)

            This is a purely financial speculative tool for earning money on the expectations of suckers.
            Guaranteed delivery is not provided by a futures contract, but by a forward contract.
            And futures - inflating the stock market with empty promises,
            guarantee of a futures contract is always the minimum% of its nominal value, which allows you to play in the market for nothing without answering and close contracts for a month or three before bringing to the supply 99% of deals opened by players.
            As a former speculator in the futures market, I know, I swam ..
            It quickly became disgusting - went to production.
            Sincerely.
      5. vabvab
        vabvab April 29 2016 16: 05
        0
        Do not forget about China. This is that dark horse. And some people over the puddle they do not like. Although not, on the contrary - but it is the same.
    2. Vend
      Vend April 29 2016 12: 27
      +2
      Quote: Hellraiser
      That is right. It is high time. good

      Let's hope it works out. The West will certainly block it, by all means.
      1. atalef
        atalef April 29 2016 12: 39
        0
        Quote: Wend
        Let's hope it works out. The West will certainly block it, by all means.

        The West does not play a role. Only oil traders play a role, and on which platform they do not care about trading, several factors play a role
        1. Developed infrastructure
        2. Transparent legislation
        3.Convenience in calculations
        It `s that . which will give them the opportunity to conveniently trade and make a profit.
        Will all this come. It won’t be, it’ll remain an inflated platform, as many countries tried to organize world exchanges and left with zilch.
        I specifically do not touch the price, maybe the price will be set by these traders, but for this, they must at least come.
        1. 34 region
          34 region April 29 2016 13: 00
          0
          Atalef! 12.39. When ISIS transported oil to Turkey by fuel trucks it was a developed infrastructure ?! Yes, and Turkish law is very transparent !? They were also calculated conveniently, either for money or in exchange for goods. Small trade was !? And then what is the United States so indignant about the raids of our aircraft? After all, the crumbs were selling !? I think if we start selling at dumping prices, then buyers will be. The only concern is the playfulness of the ruble, like a young horse, not a minute worth it! How this issue will be resolved is unclear. While joining the skeptics. With our inflation, this is probably just unrealistic.
          1. atalef
            atalef April 29 2016 13: 17
            0
            Quote: Region 34
            Atalef! 12.39. When ISIS transported oil to Turkey by fuel trucks, was this a developed infrastructure?

            An empty question, the share of ISIS oil is insignificant and did not play any role in world oil trade.
            By the way, I meant infrastructure.
            1. Communication and data exchange software
            2. Conditions of residence of personnel of trading companies
            3. Convenience of work.
            Quote: Region 34
            Yes, and Turkish law is very transparent !? They were also calculated conveniently, either for money or in exchange for goods.

            there was a smuggling for cash, do not confuse a private smuggling (which by the way Nigeria or Angola also trades) with the official exchange platform.
            Quote: Region 34
            And then what is the United States so indignant about the raids of our aircraft? After all, the crumbs were selling!

            Everything mixed up in the Oblonsky’s house, and what’s this?
            Quote: Region 34
            I think if we start selling at dumping prices, then buyers will be.

            100% will be, so I say. someone trades for profit, and someone for greatness.
            Quote: Region 34
            The only concern is the playfulness of the ruble, like a young horse, not a minute worth it!

            Here's the question for filling up (as before). You now have the price of oil X and is tied tightly to Brent, you created your own site and are forced to dump to attract customers, the customers have flocked, of course. active bargaining (of course it is profitable for them) - And you?
            Quote: Region 34
            With our inflation, this is probably just unrealistic.

            And with the dumping and, accordingly, even greater drop in prices for the Urals, there will be even more.
            1. 34 region
              34 region April 29 2016 13: 44
              +1
              Atalef! 13.17. Create a convenience today to work today a problem? Communication problem? The problem of living? Today it’s time to spit. Selling oil to Russia at dumping prices is a dubious gain. Except for conquering future markets. Exchange dollars for rubles instead of selling oil for bucks and exchange dollars for rubles. It turns out such a scheme. Again the question, what is the benefit? Probably a centralized exchange of bucks. So what's the point of changing the world currency to local? The sale of oil by ISIS was insignificant and our aircraft bombed them in vain?
              1. atalef
                atalef April 29 2016 14: 04
                -4
                Quote: Region 34
                Atalef! 13.17. Create a convenience today to work today a problem? Communication problem? The problem of living? Today it’s time to spit

                Ничего подобного.
                Quote: Region 34
                Selling oil to Russia at dumping prices is a dubious gain.

                There is no benefit here. what's the point of breaking loose from Brent in order to dump?
                Quote: Region 34
                Except for conquering future markets.

                laughing Yes, there is so much oil now that today it has won dumping, tomorrow it has lost another dumping tank, and all this fuss will only create a bigger war in the market and an even bigger drop in prices. Well, why the heck? the question?
                Quote: Region 34
                The sale of oil by ISIS was insignificant and our aircraft bombed them in vain?

                It’s not for nothing that it’s their income for a war. but in the global trade in oil and the price of oil - it did not play any role, or the very tiny shopping mall ISIL oil (even before the lifting of sanctions from Iran) was about 0.01% of the world.
                1. 34 region
                  34 region April 29 2016 14: 15
                  0
                  Atalef! 14.04/XNUMX. Most likely the issue is to stay on the market selling at bargain prices. The second question is the massive weaning (exchange) of bucks. What for? That is the question. Perhaps they are going to introduce a monopoly on currency.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef April 29 2016 14: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Region 34
                    Atalef! 14.04/XNUMX. Most likely the issue is to stay on the market selling at bargain prices.

                    what have already survived from the market?
                    Quote: Region 34
                    . Perhaps they are going to introduce a monopoly on currency.

                    Why and how?
                    1. 34 region
                      34 region April 29 2016 14: 38
                      0
                      Atalef! 14.18. And falling oil prices is not survival from the market? After all, we thought that the price could only rise. And then bam! Such a bummer! So it turns out that we are stupidly squeezing us out of the oil market. And on the issue of monopoly, it was in the Union after all. I think it’s not a problem to repeat. The number of banks is probably not in vain reduced.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef April 29 2016 14: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Region 34
                        Atalef! 14.18. And falling oil prices is not survival from the market?

                        it seems that the price of oil is falling only for Russia
                        Quote: Region 34
                        After all, we thought that the price could only rise. And then bam! Such a bummer!

                        Well, some are sure that the Earth is in the form of a suitcase
                        Quote: Region 34
                        And on the issue of monopoly, it was in the Union after all. I think it’s not a problem to repeat. The number of banks is probably not in vain reduced.

                        You have half of the tales of cashing and tax evasion. and they cover them.
          2. GSH-18
            GSH-18 April 29 2016 13: 29
            -3
            Quote: Region 34
            How will this issue be resolved, unclear. While joining the skeptics. With our inflation, this is probably just unrealistic.

            So he is doing so. You still do not understand? Taking control of the pricing of our own oil means strengthening and stabilizing our finances and our economy!
            1. 34 region
              34 region April 29 2016 13: 54
              -1
              GSH-18! 13.29. How will they take pricing in their hands? Buyers after the purchase will translate the price from rubles to bucks and mustache! What is the pricing? And why not work out in bucks in the formation of prices? When there was more than a hundred oil, why didn’t they take pricing into their own hands? But when the price fell, they were very surprised. How so! After all, the price can not fall! She should only rise! This is clearly a different idea.
              1. Stanislas
                Stanislas April 29 2016 16: 33
                -1
                Quote: Region 34
                And why not work out in bucks in the formation of prices?
                You are so worried about the world currency ... do you have relatives in the Fed?
            2. atalef
              atalef April 29 2016 14: 05
              +1
              Quote: GSH-18
              . You still do not understand? Taking control of our own oil pricing means strengthening and stabilizing our finances and our economy!

              You can’t take pricing into your own hands, it’s not you, but the buyer who determines the price.
              1. 34 region
                34 region April 29 2016 14: 20
                0
                Atalef! 14.05/XNUMX. Buyer determines the price !? We would be so in Russia! Here, probably, the leadership thinks in terms of a monopolist. Both in relation to the population and in relations between countries. That's just the country is not our citizens. What they (countries) demonstrate to us.
              2. Stanislas
                Stanislas April 29 2016 16: 37
                -2
                Quote: atalef
                the buyer determines the price
                There was such an advertisement on TV, there, too, the buyer determined everything: how, when and how much to pay. I as a buyer with experience in such a crap do not believe. And you?
                1. atalef
                  atalef April 29 2016 16: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Stanislav
                  I as a buyer with experience in such a crap do not believe. And you?

                  I believe.
                  You can afford to choose a store and find the same product, but much cheaper. Have you ever encountered this?
                  1. Stanislas
                    Stanislas April 29 2016 16: 54
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    same product, but much cheaper
                    You confuse price determination with the search for a cheaper one, which in itself may turn out to be more expensive than the price difference. Traders are the vast majority of the crowd rams amateurs trying to speculate on futures; they are thrown from time to time by professional speculators players. So they determine the price? Hochma succeeded.
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          4. fif21
            fif21 April 29 2016 13: 58
            0
            Quote: Region 34
            With our inflation, this is probably just unrealistic.
            Europe sells for the euro, and we trade for the euro, we also hold the euro stocks - as a result, there is a difflation in Europe, we have inflation hi
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 April 29 2016 13: 25
          -1
          Quote: atalef
          The West does not play a role. Only oil traders play a role, and on which platform do they care about trading

          You are very mistaken, dear atalef!
          Big money is ALWAYS connected with politics is an axiom. And we will fight back with all our might. There is no doubt about that.
          1. atalef
            atalef April 29 2016 13: 33
            0
            Quote: GSH-18
            You are very mistaken, dear atalef!

            Time will tell
            Quote: GSH-18
            Big money is ALWAYS connected with politics is an axiom

            For 300% of the profits, they don’t give a damn about any policy.
            No one was able to stop investing in China (when it became profitable) - despite human rights. the Communist Party and everything else
            Quote: GSH-18
            And we will fight back with all our might

            One of those who opposes you with all your might is you yourself.
            When gas pipelines are pulled for the sake of politicians, grandmothers are pushing into incomprehensible modes - well, wait for the result. The laws of mathematics have not been canceled yet
            Quote: GSH-18
            There is no doubt about that.

            And, since the question is, what is the reason that the West would support you?
            I write as an abstract person.
            Let’s say a simple layman, ask a simple question - why?
            The Russian will ask himself the same question - why should we help the West?
            Therefore, it is mutual and there is nothing to be offended.
            1. 34 region
              34 region April 29 2016 14: 08
              -3
              Atalef! 13.33. About 300% this is true. Everyone wants 300%. So ours pulled gas pipelines at the rate of 300%. The US also wants 300% but differently. By tapping into obscure modes. Why should the West support us? We ourselves must keep ourselves, and the West does not support anyone. He strongly supported your neighbors? The problem of today's Russia is a pro-Western government hoping for the West. No matter how the West teaches our leadership, but all one, not horse training.
            2. Stanislas
              Stanislas April 29 2016 16: 52
              -1
              Quote: atalef
              When gas pipelines are pulled to please politicians, grandmothers are pushing into incomprehensible modes - well, wait for the result
              Is this about the transatlantic stream? ... "modes" ?! For such words, the State Department will permanently deprive you of your visa and arrest you somewhere outside Israel.
        3. fif21
          fif21 April 29 2016 13: 48
          0
          Quote: atalef
          . Developed infrastructure 2. Transparent legislation. 3. Convenience in payments. This is it. which will give them the opportunity to conveniently trade and make a profit.
          Watch the Soviet film "The Chief of Chukotka" Especially where an old-regime official teaches red how to trade with Mr. Stevenson. "Papuans" in Russia are becoming less and less, so that the world's economic sharks will have to make room laughing "Beads" (green candy wrappers) are losing their attractiveness.
          1. atalef
            atalef April 29 2016 14: 08
            +1
            Quote: fif21
            see the Soviet film "The Chief of Chukotka" Especially where an old-regime official teaches red how to trade with Mr. Stevenson

            Well, in the movie they’ll show
            Quote: fif21
            "Papuans" in Russia are becoming less and less, so that the world's economic sharks will have to make room

            I agree, therefore, they take out 70 billion dead raccoons per mound per year.
            Quote: fif21
            "Beads" (green candy wrappers) are losing their attractiveness.

            It’s strange. did not notice.
            Change without question.
            1. fif21
              fif21 April 29 2016 14: 39
              -2
              Quote: atalef
              Well, in the movie they’ll show

              Still look yes
              Quote: atalef
              I agree, therefore, they take out 70 billion dead raccoons per mound per year.

              You don’t understand one thing - there’s no hillock, in Russia there are already multinational companies! Or didn’t they know? Maybe you still won’t believe that part of these lards are returned to Russia in the form of goods, technologies and profits? Insulating tape in the West is not enough to isolate Russia laughing Of course, there are still enough problems, but work is ongoing. hi
              1. atalef
                atalef April 29 2016 14: 47
                0
                Quote: fif21
                Still look

                I saw him, about 35 years ago
                Quote: fif21
                You didn’t understand one thing.

                shit - are you a citizen of the world?

                Quote: fif21
                Russia already has multinational companies!

                And?
                Quote: fif21
                You still won’t believe that part of these lard returns to Russia in the form of goods, technologies and profits?

                Yes ? so what's the whole fuss.
                Amnesty. shmamnistii-maybe Putin does not know what?
                Quote: fif21
                Insulating tape in the West is not enough to isolate Russia

                Yes, and not necessary.
                There is no point. Money goes to them like that. Oil and gas are the same.
                The only difference is that Russia becomes stronger or weaker.
        4. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher April 29 2016 13: 52
          0
          Quote: atalef
          The West does not play a role.

          Well, you still say that the business is out of politics. That they are free and independent. They also came up with me ... laughing
          I’m afraid that in response to this, a new sanction would not be soldered ... recourse
          1. atalef
            atalef April 29 2016 13: 59
            0
            Quote: Observer 33
            You still say that the business is out of politics.

            Of course in politics, and this should be understood from the Russian side.
            Quote: Observer 33
            . That they are free and independent

            There are no one free and independent.
            Quote: Observer 33
            I’m afraid that in response to this, a new sanction would not be soldered ...

            Once again I say that creating a site is not enough. it is necessary to create conditions, including political ones. This is if in the future.
            And so, only dumping. but then the question is, why the hell and what have you achieved?
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          1. 34 region
            34 region April 29 2016 14: 42
            -1
            14.28. If we buy hammers and clothespins in China, then the question arises. Will they buy Chinese hammers and clothespins from us for rubles? What for? Is it cheaper to buy them directly in China?
        6. fif21
          fif21 April 29 2016 14: 28
          0
          Quote: atalef
          3.Convenience in calculations
          And what are the inconveniences? I bought rubles for rubles oil. We are buying euros to buy European goods! Do you see them uncomfortable laughing Let them get used wassat
          1. atalef
            atalef April 29 2016 14: 51
            +1
            Quote: fif21
            Quote: atalef
            3.Convenience in calculations
            And what are the inconveniences? I bought rubles for rubles oil. We are buying euros to buy European goods! Do you see them uncomfortable laughing Let them get used wassat

            Wait and see.
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            2. fif21
              fif21 April 29 2016 15: 01
              0
              drinks
              Quote: atalef
              Wait and see.

              Agree drinks one snowflake is not snow yet, one rain has not yet rain.
    3. Bobxnumx
      Bobxnumx April 29 2016 12: 35
      +1
      The main thing is that the Americans do not cheat. And GOOD LUCK !!! what good
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher April 29 2016 14: 28
        -2
        So here I am about that ... Well, they do not know how to compete in good faith, they do not know how.
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg April 30 2016 00: 53
      0
      Quote: Hellraiser
      That is right. It is high time. good


      Milosevic just wanted to pay off the external debt. And here at 314ndos they take away the broth from speculation by other people's resources. Oh, the stink will be))))
  2. axel320
    axel320 April 29 2016 12: 14
    +3
    Now it remains only to present this to the "world community" under the right sauce.
  3. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter April 29 2016 12: 15
    +1
    Will Moscow be able to set the price itself will show only the first ruble contract.

    Why do we need dollars at all?
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 April 29 2016 12: 28
      +3
      Quote: antiaircrafter
      Why do we need dollars at all?


      Question for ten points.
      Overseas goods to buy. And invest in the economy of overseas countries.
      It has long been necessary to sell all our products for rubles, but so far we do not have enough capacity of our economy for this.
      1. 34 region
        34 region April 29 2016 13: 04
        -1
        Grew 56! 12.28. That's why it is not enough. And so at first they could practice on cats (gas). Who saw the training? Even selling gas for bucks does not mean our price dictates. Everyone saw how customers dictated their prices to us.
      2. fif21
        fif21 April 29 2016 14: 09
        0
        Quote: Ros 56
        It has long been necessary to sell all our products for rubles, but so far we do not have enough capacity of our economy for this.
        Gaidar and his comrades drummed into us that the ruble is made of wood, and the dollar is almighty. It took 26 years to realize that we were divorced as "Papuans" crying They robbed the country 4 times, you have to pay for everything, and study too. hi
        1. atalef
          atalef April 29 2016 14: 20
          0
          Quote: fif21
          Gaidar and his comrades drummed into us that the ruble is made of wood, and the dollar is almighty. It took 26 years to realize that we were divorced as "Papuans"

          The dollar is in Africa and the dollar (at least for now)
          1. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher April 29 2016 14: 31
            0
            Quote: atalef
            The dollar is in Africa and the dollar (at least for now)

            Nevertheless, in a number of Asian countries, the ruble is even respected. And they take it very willingly ...
            1. atalef
              atalef April 29 2016 14: 51
              0
              Quote: Observer 33
              Quote: atalef
              The dollar is in Africa and the dollar (at least for now)

              Nevertheless, in a number of Asian countries, the ruble is even respected. And they take it very willingly ...

              Where?
              1. 33 Watcher
                33 Watcher April 29 2016 16: 02
                0
                In China, in Vietnam.
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          3. fif21
            fif21 April 29 2016 14: 47
            0
            Quote: atalef
            The dollar is in Africa and the dollar (at least for now)
            And the euro and in Africa, the euro, and the pound and in Africa, the pound, I hope that the ruble will be the ruble in America too hi
            1. atalef
              atalef April 29 2016 15: 19
              +2
              Quote: fif21
              Quote: atalef
              The dollar is in Africa and the dollar (at least for now)
              And the euro and in Africa, the euro, and the pound and in Africa, the pound, I hope that the ruble will be the ruble in America too hi

              give. God.
              Everyone will benefit from this.
            2. igor67
              igor67 April 29 2016 15: 20
              +2
              Quote: fif21
              Quote: atalef
              The dollar is in Africa and the dollar (at least for now)
              And the euro and in Africa, the euro, and the pound and in Africa, the pound, I hope that the ruble will be the ruble in America too hi

              It is a ruble and it is a ruble in Israel, we accept and exchange it in exchangers, but selling oil for rubles will still have to buy equipment for currency, where to get it, not long ago they showed you launched a new oil field with 98% efficiency, only equipment all imported
          4. 34 region
            34 region April 29 2016 14: 47
            -1
            Atalef! 14.20. Well, the African economy is not equivalent to the US economy. Only the euro competes with the buck. Europe can offer goods similar to the state. And Africa is a current of raw materials.
            1. atalef
              atalef April 29 2016 15: 22
              +1
              Quote: Region 34
              . Well, the African economy is not equivalent to the US economy. Only euro competes with bucks

              they do not compete. Currencies do not compete at all. The Swiss franc is more stable than the dollar, despite the meager size of Switzerland and is also convertible.
              The problem is drgom. The volume of trade in the United States is such that having dollars. you can directly buy almost everything, with Switzerland or Norway - this is a problem. The dollar and the euro, due to the vastness of their economy, exclude the transfer of money from hard currency to another. to buy something. It is just convenient.
              1. 34 region
                34 region April 29 2016 16: 35
                0
                Atalef! 15.22. Then I agree. Due to the vastness of the economy, a buck cannot be a candy wrapper in any way. How can not be a valuable currency of a destroyed country. And the African continent in my opinion is not an economic giant in spite of its vastness. Although South Africa seemed to help Israel create nuclear weapons, it did not create an economically developed continent.
                1. atalef
                  atalef April 29 2016 16: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Region 34
                  . Due to the enormity of the economy, a buck cannot be a candy wrapper in any way

                  100%
                  Quote: Region 34
                  And the African continent in my opinion is not an economic giant in spite of its vastness

                  So here I am, physical enormity does not yet guarantee economic enormity
                  Quote: Region 34
                  Although South Africa seemed to help Israel create nuclear weapons, it did not create an economically developed continent.

                  South Africa is the most developed state in Africa, in terms of nuclear weapons - it was rather the opposite.
                  South Africa has provided uranium and test territory, Isaral Technology.
      3. fif21
        fif21 April 29 2016 14: 09
        +2
        Quote: Ros 56
        It has long been necessary to sell all our products for rubles, but so far we do not have enough capacity of our economy for this.
        Gaidar and his comrades drummed into us that the ruble is made of wood, and the dollar is almighty. It took 26 years to realize that we were divorced as "Papuans" crying They robbed the country 4 times, you have to pay for everything, and study too. hi
  4. demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig April 29 2016 12: 16
    +4
    It’s a declaration so far, and when will it really be? I understand that it’s difficult and not fast. But I would like it faster! Although we are simple, it’s neither hot nor cold!
    1. atalef
      atalef April 29 2016 12: 24
      0
      Quote: demchuk.ig
      This is a declaration so far, and when will it really be?

      Not even now - it’s for sure that there is a surplus of oil in the world and the client (buyer) will definitely not want to change the rules of the game that are familiar to him — all the more so, to overpay for Urals.
      1. igor67
        igor67 April 29 2016 12: 37
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: demchuk.ig
        This is a declaration so far, and when will it really be?

        Not even now - it’s for sure that there is a surplus of oil in the world and the client (buyer) will definitely not want to change the rules of the game that are familiar to him — all the more so, to overpay for Urals.

        Maybe I misunderstand, but for what? If not long ago, Russia came up with an initiative to lower oil production so that the price of oil rises, and if you sell it in a new way, then this is a drop in price, what's the catch?
        1. atalef
          atalef April 29 2016 12: 47
          -1
          Quote: igor67
          Maybe I misunderstand, but for what?

          In general, I don’t quite understand the same thing. why, with such a share of component imports (primarily for the petrochemical and production) - purchased in dollars. The same eggs are only in profile, with some hemorrhoids along the way.
          Although self-awareness will grow from this, with increasing risks and falling incomes - well, to whom, what, who is expecting income from the sale, and someone who is great.
          Each has its own goals.

          Quote: igor67
          and if you sell in a new way, then this is a drop in price, what's the trick?

          Not always, new conditions are the overabundance of oil and the complication of payment (they want rubles) - the number of people who want to buy Urals will clearly decrease, and therefore the price will drop.
          I think so.
          Hey . Igoryanich !!!!!
      2. fif21
        fif21 April 29 2016 14: 57
        -1
        Quote: atalef
        Not now - it’s for sure the oil surplus in the world
        In the world 850 mil. tone of virtual oil! Thanks to the London Stock Exchange, they know how to lower prices for goods. Compare global production and global demand, including organic synthesis plants. U.S. Oil and Distillate Reports request
        1. atalef
          atalef April 29 2016 15: 16
          +2
          Quote: fif21
          In the world 850 mil. tone of virtual oil!

          I don’t know, the truth is not true, but what changes?
          Quote: fif21
          Compare global production and global demand, including organic synthesis plants. U.S. Oil and Distillate Reports

          it means about 850 million tons !!!!! --- 4 billion barrels !!!!! worth at least $ 160 billion !!!! no doubt. and for production in the United States - is. belay
          1. Stanislas
            Stanislas April 29 2016 17: 37
            0
            Quote: atalef
            the amount of at least 160 billion dollars !!!! no doubt. and for production in the USA - causes
            Excuse me, what is your version of this, how much money is spinning on oil futures? But such messages constantly "influence the mood of traders", someone not sickly earns on these "moods", but do you believe that there can be no fraud? I believe that not all US citizens have such unshakable trust in their officials. And I will immediately add an objection to your previous post about 300%, which allows you to spit on politics: life is more expensive.
          2. fif21
            fif21 April 29 2016 17: 51
            0
            Quote: atalef
            it means about 850 million tons !!!!! --- 4 billion barrels !!!!! worth at least $ 160 billion !!!! no doubt
            I offer my deepest apologies repeat You are right, I made a mistake! So to speak gave a blunder what 850 tons daily. hi Information from the article on VO for 28.04.16 about "wheat". Sorry again. hi
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  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 29 2016 12: 22
    +2
    It’s high time, otherwise we all jump in front of these tolerant, and they’ll give us one thing or another, it’s time to put them in a stall.
  6. Putnik_16
    Putnik_16 April 29 2016 12: 22
    +1
    The idea is good, but unlikely.
    Few people need a ruble ..... stop
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 April 29 2016 12: 36
      +2
      We’ll declare it striped that we will sell RD 180 for rubles, and what will they do? As well as oil, gas, wheat, weapons, etc. This is a necessity if we want to be an independent player in the global market. hi
    2. 34 region
      34 region April 29 2016 13: 09
      0
      Traveler 16! 12.22. The question can be posed differently. What can I buy for rubles? So how about this question? Can you buy modern products of world quality for rubles? KAMAZ is cooler than Mercedes? LADA is better than Ford? Are computers better than Chinese? What we (what products) can offer for rubles?
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 April 29 2016 13: 51
        +1
        So I about it, that our economy is still weak. This DAM with its ministers, with the exception of some, must be sent for a long time to where Makar did not drive calves.
  7. Yarik76
    Yarik76 April 29 2016 12: 22
    +2
    The road will be overcome by a walker! Western hucksters will rest against the last!
  8. atamankko
    atamankko April 29 2016 12: 25
    +1
    The idea is good, let's see what happens.
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 29 2016 12: 28
    +2
    This is not a simple matter, but it is necessary to do so. And then saudi camelfuckers steamed with sharks from Wall Street will continue to be in Russia from time to time ... to dunk. And there is another site besides London and New York, where you can buy oil, gas, and RUBLES!
    1. atalef
      atalef April 29 2016 12: 32
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      This is not a simple matter, but it is necessary to do so. And then saudi camelfuckers steamed with sharks from Wall Street will continue to be in Russia from time to time ... to dunk. And there is another site besides London and New York, where you can buy oil, gas, and RUBLES!

      Do you think that the price of Urals and Gas will be divorced from world prices?
      There are some risks to this.
      Now that the Urals is firmly tied to the Brent standard — playing Urals only is to raise and lower — it’s extremely difficult since it affects the entire Brent segment — when the Urals is moved to a separate category, it all simplifies. It all depends on the amount of oil on the market, and its now an overabundance.
      The same applies to sales for rubles.
      Change the rules of the game, while in the market an overabundance of goods is just to lose customers.
      IMHO.
      therefore - I do not think it could potentially in some future, but not now.
      1. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad April 29 2016 13: 11
        0
        We are talking about some future. Of course, a lot will depend on the general situation in the market. But the idea is good and needs to be promoted. It's time to tie up with dependence on the Anglo-Saxons. Our product, which means theoretically we can sell it for our money. Then the demand for the ruble will increase.
      2. 34 region
        34 region April 29 2016 13: 15
        0
        Atalef! 12.32. Rather, there is an attempt to impose rubles than to sell oil. Like our bank changes dollars for rubles and money (dollars) under control. Such veiled control over foreign currency. What for? There must be some kind of idea.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 29 2016 13: 35
          +1
          Quote: Region 34
          Atalef! 12.32. Rather, there is an attempt to impose rubles than to sell oil.

          maybe it remains only to persuade the buyer
          Quote: Region 34
          Such veiled control over foreign currency. What for? There must be some kind of idea.

          Well, the mind does not understand.
          It is a pity the article is very short - there is little information.
        2. fif21
          fif21 April 29 2016 18: 30
          0
          Quote: Region 34
          Rather, there is an attempt to impose rubles than to sell oil
          The country needs a currency. Investments do not have to wait, especially in non-commodity sectors. How to make foreign business work for the Russian economy? As an option, the ruble is sold through the Moscow Interbank Currency Exchange, through banks, by selling their goods, technologies, and services in the West for rubles. The West will need the ruble, as now we need euros and dollars. Industrialists of the Russian Federation will not have problems either. We need Amer’s goods, exchange rubles for dollars, we need European ones, exchange for euros. Now almost all oil is sold for dollars, not everyone succeeds in earning them by trade with the United States, they have to buy them. European companies buy the dollar, and then pay them for oil. request Let them buy our oil for rubles.
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      3. Stanislas
        Stanislas April 29 2016 18: 34
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Do you think that the price of Urals and Gas will be divorced from world prices?
        There are some risks to this.
        Whoever does not take risks does not drink champagne. The "dumping" that you have been talking about all the time is, nmv, a decrease in oil prices just enough to ensure the stability of the ruble. The feeling remains that you are more interested in the issues of trust of Russian citizens in the actions of the authorities than in the issues of the economy.
  10. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ April 29 2016 12: 30
    +1
    Moscow soon she will be able to set the price of domestic oil
    And "soon" is how and how long? And then, after all, we wanted the best, but let's sweat as always?
    1. atalef
      atalef April 29 2016 12: 49
      0
      Quote: LÄRZ
      Moscow will soon be able to set the price of domestic oil

      Moscow will not be able to establish anything on its own, as trades are conducted by traders and the price is set based on the results of the auction.
  11. AlexTires
    AlexTires April 29 2016 12: 33
    +5
    It was 2016, and the officials kept pondering what was “wrong” (?) With the economy tied to a foreign currency and dollar pricing!
  12. epsilon571
    epsilon571 April 29 2016 12: 37
    +1
    The only good news is that this is indeed the right direction, and now we would set priorities in our economy. See for yourself, again a whistle with a pension fund, the privatization (albeit partial) of the most efficient sectors, so do we really have no other choice?
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires April 29 2016 12: 40
      +2
      Quote: epsilon571
      this is really the right direction

      The right direction is to stop driving "raw" and trade in a product of primary or secondary processing ...
      1. 34 region
        34 region April 29 2016 13: 19
        0
        12.40. Oil is not a product = raw !? Here is more likely. Focus foreign currency in one hand. While through the oil, but we'll see. It is not in vain that troops of personal submission to the president appeared.
  13. CORNET
    CORNET April 29 2016 12: 43
    +2
    World oil prices on Friday returned to growth: Brent crude oil, as on Thursday, rose above $ 48 a barrel.
    But you still need to try to break away from the dollar ... And this venture is not so hopeless as many are trying to scare Russia!
  14. MuadDib
    MuadDib April 29 2016 12: 43
    -1
    The result? Speculation. What is the real economy if money makes money.
  15. Russia
    Russia April 29 2016 12: 48
    0
    Gentlemen, some "generals of the armies of the couch.
    "Soon the tale will tell, but it will not be done soon."
    Just enter the market with carrots and sell 2 kg from the garden - this is one!
    Entering the market with the same carrot, but with 2 tons, is quite another!
    And it’s not at all easy to enter the market and stake out a place for constant carrot trading, having pushed all the old traders!
    Oh! "They've been talking for 5 years ..." "Dreaming ..."
  16. Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS April 29 2016 12: 55
    -2
    The ruble shies from side to side, it should become a stable currency, supported, before going to sell something for rubles.
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 April 29 2016 13: 20
      0
      Quote: Eugene RS
      The ruble shies from side to side, it should become a stable currency,

      For your information, the ruble is a convertible currency. Another thing is that our financial bloc looks into the mouth of the US Federal Reserve System and will not dare to leave the dollar's power! And this requires the political will of our "Guarantor" to disperse this snake's nest and replace it with people who think and support the state!
  17. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 April 29 2016 12: 55
    +3
    Setting the price of Urals oil yourself is certainly an interesting idea.
    But selling oil for rubles raises questions.
    Thanks to the "effective" actions of the Central Bank, the ruble's rating is junk.
    No, of course I would like to trade in rubles, but first we must not ourselves turn the ruble into a worthless piece of paper. And then speculators will buy oil for rubles and immediately bring down the ruble by 100%, or maybe more. What will happen then?
    Interesting ideas need to be put into practice, but this requires a different composition of the financial block. For the phrase "they wanted the best, but it turned out as always" in this case does not cause laughter. One should not expect other results from our financiers, if we recall their forecasts, which resembled fortune-telling on coffee grounds.
  18. ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru April 29 2016 13: 04
    +2
    Quote: Ros 56
    Quote: antiaircrafter
    Why do we need dollars at all?


    Question for ten points.
    Overseas goods to buy. And invest in the economy of overseas countries.
    It has long been necessary to sell all our products for rubles, but so far we do not have enough capacity of our economy for this.

    And besides the power of the economy, the desire of a liberal government is still necessary !!!
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 April 29 2016 13: 22
      +1
      Quote: ibu355yandex.ru
      need the desire of a liberal government !!!

      Which you need to disperse for a long time with the financial unit!
  19. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 29 2016 13: 23
    0
    Quote: eugeniy.369
    Here is one talking room. When the oil was not made more than 100 bucks, and now with 40-50 everything will turn out straight no.

    Therefore, they did not do it because it was more than 100 bucks. Turn on the calculator. Then they were silent and did not do it, today they started talking ... Tomorrow, when the price rises (the flag in the hands of the oil industry), they will be silent again (ugh, they did not say that - they will forget) or they will say: "Oh, it didn't work."
  20. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 29 2016 13: 30
    0
    Quote: epsilon571
    Well, really, we have no other choice?

    There is a way out; it is always where the entrance is. They made too much wisdom, it would be necessary to take a couple of steps back and step forward, but slightly to the left or to the right, but they lost the way back and until they bump into the wall and break their forehead, they will experiment. The main thing is to cut the headstock competently regardless of the situation.
  21. shans2
    shans2 April 29 2016 13: 30
    0
    oh, how many people are in the subject, suddenly the ISIS oil industry began to shrink, Turkey and Israel are crying from the USA))
  22. Chisayna
    Chisayna April 29 2016 13: 48
    +1
    atalef.today, 13:33. For 300% of profits, they’ll spit on any policy. Exactly!!! Very rarely, Jews tell the truth about themselves.
    1. shans2
      shans2 April 29 2016 13: 53
      0
      Speaking of Mossad. Our allies.
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  23. yahont
    yahont April 29 2016 13: 51
    0
    It's time.
  24. Million
    Million April 29 2016 13: 53
    0
    So gasoline will rise in price again ...
  25. russmensch
    russmensch April 29 2016 14: 04
    +2
    I understand that everyone understands everything. It's just the opposite for me - I don’t understand. I am not an economist or even an accountant. Balance, bulldo and other for me a set of letters and sounds. Tell me stupid what will change when selling for rubles?
    Today a Urals barrel costs 20-25 bucks, will we sell for 190-200 rubles for rubles? And what is the difference? Ah, they will buy rubles from us. And at what price? And the sale of rubles anyway for the currency will be (bucks or Eureka)? But will the price of the ruble be different from the one that was established for the day? And what is the gain? I do not catch up with something. Who can clarify.
    1. Chatlanen
      Chatlanen April 29 2016 15: 38
      +1
      There are many nuances here:
      1. How much should Urals oil cost? more expensive or cheaper than Brent? How many refineries in Eastern Europe are "sharpened" for Urals. Maybe you shouldn't trade at a discount?
      2. In Russia, they usually trade in tons, not barrels, the weight of different varieties is different and the "exhaust" is also different. A gas station buys tons of gasoline and sells it in liters - it has an additional fat)).
    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas April 29 2016 18: 48
      0
      Quote: russmensch
      But will the price of the ruble be different from the one that was established for the day? And what is the gain?
      The increase in demand for rubles, which will increase their price. There are other commodity exchanges in Russia, which, I hope, will also begin to gradually switch to rubles, and there, if things go well, you can open your own currency exchange. Accustomed to the helplessness of the ruble for a long time, such a prospect still seems to me to be "New Vasyukami", but it’s the beginning, as they say. Better, of course, a gold piece, silver and copper, and your own and others' papers, cards, prices on the stock exchange, etc. bind to them. Then you will definitely have your money.
  26. VladimS
    VladimS April 29 2016 14: 29
    +2
    I don’t understand something

    In order to buy oil of the same India, Finland and other, you need to buy / have dollars. Americans have direct and indirect benefits from this.
    It is no coincidence that Gaddafi, who had just hinted at such a thing, was paid by the country, power and life itself. Because it’s like a Faberge sickle to them ...
    Tell me stupid what will change when selling for rubles?

    This is primarily direct support / strengthening of the currency in which the calculation is being made.
    Article
    Oil for rubles: a new economic reality will begin in St. Petersburg
    http://finobzor.ru/show-11790-neft-za-rubli-v-pitere-nachnetsya-otschet-novoy-ek
    onomic news-realnosti.html
  27. bad
    bad April 29 2016 16: 56
    0
    Quote: Andrey K
    About trading futures on Russian exchanges, the conversation has been going on for the past five years.
    In St. Petersburg they tried to sell gas, now there is talk about oil ...
    Do it, not talk ...
    Not a single exchange will give up such a tidbit from itself, and with an eye to the "west", as we do, we will once again run out of talking shop.
    ..heh .. say kud is easier than doing something real, a fact .. for what has been done and there’s an accountability .. that's why they only say .. alas .. No.