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Why Russia will sooner or later buy from Belarus MZKT

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Opinions of Russian experts on the feasibility of buying the Belarusian auto giant MZKT differ. Some believe that the parties will find a compromise in the near future, and this will be driven, in the first place, not by economic problems, but by many years of experience in joint productive activities. Others believe that MZKT will never be privatized, as it is one of the few successful state-owned enterprises in Belarus, which not only “survives” at the expense of budget subsidies, but generates significant profits and has a “name” in many countries around the world. In addition, the leadership of the Belarusian military industrial complex calls the company the most profitable. That is why some analysts believe that while the Minsk chassis are in demand and their exports are growing, including at the expense of our state, the plant will generate revenue exclusively to the treasury of Belarus.

There is another scenario with regard to the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant JSC - the enterprise will become the property of the Russian military industrial complex, but only with a different leadership of the neighboring state. It can be assumed that in this case the issue with the air base in Belarus will also be successfully resolved.

There are a number of reasons that, despite the frank farce on the part of President Lukashenko, are forcing the Russian side to compromise and seek ways to resolve the issue. First of all, this is the deplorable state of the automotive industry in Russia. Automobile industry enterprises are on the verge of ruin, workers are forced to directly contact the president to force enterprises to pay wage arrears. So, during the “Direct Line”, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin made such a request to an employee of the Uralavtopricep plant, who has not received wages for more than three months, and this despite the fact that the enterprise is working for the defense industry, it is assembling heavy trucks for transportation tanks, as well as the production of various types of chassis.

Not better things at the Bryansk Automobile Plant. Back in early November 2015, the commercial bank Slavia, as a creditor, filed a bankruptcy case for BAZ. In order to save the enterprise, 18 in November 2015 of the year more than 90% of the shares of the joint stock company were transferred to the ownership of the VKO Almaz - Antey concern. However, the change of the second general director in six months says that things are not going uphill either. But it was precisely at the facilities of the Bryansk plant that it was planned to replace the products of MZKT.

And these are not isolated cases - this is a general picture of our automobile industry, and we still scare reliable Belarusian suppliers who have orders from many countries that we will refuse their services. It is clear that the neighbors from Belorussia will not “beat their brains” and will not give up on the delicious Russian pie called the state defense order, but without having spare ways, such statements are, at least, inappropriate.

Another argument in favor of the fact that it is more profitable for Russia to buy MZKT than to lift enterprises from its knees and organize a full cycle of military equipment production on them - the need to create a new infrastructure for the supply, maintenance and repair of the Bryansk chassis. Those. all existing infrastructure (including the Krona facilities), ensuring the normal functioning of Russian strategic ground-based nuclear missile systems (including combat duty), built specifically for the unified wheeled chassis of the Minsk Plant, must be eliminated and a new one created from scratch. And this will take not only decades, but tens of billions of dollars. In this case, there is a serious risk of losing the sales market. Of course, we Russians live in a rich country, but let's not live in a stupid one either!

It is clear that the president of Belarus understands all this. That is why it comes up with such strange at first glance offers for the sale of an enterprise. In the 2013 year, Lukashenko, by the way, wanted to modernize MZKT at the expense of Russian money by conducting an additional issue of shares that he was ready to sell to Moscow, but without transferring anything to the property. And recently, he even proposed to change the plant for an oil field with hydrocarbon production in the amount of at least 10 million tons per year.

Profit from such a transaction may be about 3 billion dollars a year, which is significantly less than the profit of MWTP for the same period. Naturally, Moscow is not ready to make such an exchange. What, strictly speaking, Minsk is counting on. Therefore, we can assume that Lukashenko has a plan. For example, to achieve the conclusion of long-term contracts, preferences, or, which is very bold, to press Russia on the market for the export of military equipment, it may even be with its own PTRonez Polonez and KR Aist.
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  1. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 April 29 2016 18: 47
    +41
    I don’t know how the MZKT differs from the KZKT (Kurgan Wheel Tractor Plant) that previously existed in Kurgan. They ruined ... am Now, there is a shopping center and, now, we will begin to acquire assets in the adjacent territories, to call the "brotherly people" the language does not turn ... Not a Belarusian phobia, but the actions of "but father" ... recourse
    1. Eragon
      Eragon April 29 2016 18: 58
      +33
      Quote: ALABAY45
      I don’t know how the MZKT differs from the KZKT (Kurgan Wheel Tractor Plant) that previously existed in Kurgan. They ruined ...

      So it’s different - they killed in Kurgan, but not in Minsk.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan April 29 2016 19: 07
        +44
        They didn’t ditch in Minsk, because we buy everything Belarusian with tractors when we have (had) our own ... We support Lukashenko in essence, but he shows us figs ... We have closed our tractor plants Lipetskiy, Vladimirsky and a bunch of friends, and MTZ we buy different ones ... I don’t mind, moreover, I think that Belarusians certainly need to be supported, but not at the cost of closing factories in Russia !!!
        1. Lex.
          Lex. April 29 2016 19: 31
          +3
          Council
          Ratmir_Ryazan RU  Today, 19:07 ↑


          They didn’t ditch in Minsk, because we buy everything Belarusian with tractors when we have (had) our own ... We support Lukashenko in essence, but he shows us figs ... We have closed our tractor plants Lipetskiy, Vladimirsky and a bunch of friends, and MTZ we buy different ones ... I do not mind, not only that, I believe that Belarusians certainly need to be supported, but not at the cost of closing factories in Russia !!! mir_Ryazan RU  Today, 19:07 ↑


          They didn’t ditch in Minsk, because we buy everything Belarusian with tractors when we have (had) our own ... We support Lukashenko in essence, but he shows us figs ... We have closed our tractor plants Lipetsk, Vladimirsky and a bunch of friends, and We buy different MTZs ... I do not mind, moreover, I think that Belarusians certainly need to be supported, but not at the cost of closing factories in Russia !!!
          At the beginning of the people, you don’t want to work at the factory for a penny. Next, buy machine tools machining centers are millions of dollars so they don’t melt for 10 years at a micron electronics factory develop nodes design test machines it’s a lot harder than you have to say yours 60 years experience do you really think of the bases that 60% of the details get with
          1. Thirteenth
            Thirteenth April 29 2016 20: 03
            +7
            Quote: Lex.
            We support Lukashenko in fact, but he shows us the figs ...



            God be with you, what figs does Lukashenka show us? Are these his regular demarches a la "we say on our own and we do not care about Russia, etc."? So you do not take this seriously, he is so, he fills his own price, and in the Belarusian market. In Russia, his such nonsense causes nothing but a smile. Let it sometimes let off steam, we do not mind.
            1. Lex.
              Lex. April 29 2016 22: 42
              +1
              Thirteenth (1) RU  Today, 20:03 ↑ New



              Quote: Lex.

              We support Lukashenko in fact, but he shows us the figs ...



              God be with you, what figs does Lukashenka show us? Are these his regular demarches a la "we say on our own and we do not care about Russia, etc."? So you do not take this seriously, he is so, he fills his own price, and in the Belarusian market. In Russia, his such nonsense causes nothing but a smile. Let it sometimes let off steam, we do not mind.
              You are not yet attentive, I copied quotes from the previous speaker
              1. Thrall
                Thrall April 30 2016 12: 19
                +1
                OJSC "MZKT"

                24.04.2016 Balance sheet and income statement (annual report) for 2015
                http://emitent.info/issuers/1564-other-information

                Results of activity 2010-2015
                http://emitent.info/issuers/1564-results-of-activity

                Net profit for the 3rd quarter of 2015 - $ 17 million
              2. Plato
                Plato April 30 2016 13: 34
                +8
                What arrogance on your part! They say they are buying our gas-oil on the cheap and they live happily on this. Old Man managed to negotiate discounts on fuel and his people live quite normally. No matter how much oil costs, and at least $ 300, the Russian people will not get a single penny from this profit and will not get it. Just as we lived shitty at 120 a barrel, we live even worse at 30. And we don’t need to look down on Belarusians - they do not have any natural resources, but they live. The Kremlin manages to drive Russia into poverty with rich resources.
          2. Wasiliy1985
            Wasiliy1985 April 29 2016 20: 05
            +12
            The Israeli said ..
            Why don't you live in peace in the "promised land"?
            Dumped "from Rashka" and that's all - what are you worried about?
            1. Thirteenth
              Thirteenth April 29 2016 20: 13
              +8
              Quote: Wasiliy1985
              Why don't you live in peace in the "promised land"?
              Dumped "from Rashka" and that's all - what are you worried about?



              He doesn’t worry, he BRANDS Rasku ... Well, this is such a Jewish national trait. Here a rare Israeli does not brand ...
              And that in his native Israel he will never tell the wordless Arabs ... It’s also probably a national trait.
              1. Darkmor
                Darkmor April 30 2016 01: 27
                +4
                And I will be laconic.
                Why Russia NOTwill buy MKZT:
                1) This is a strategic enterprise
                2) It is located outside our territory
                3) Lukashenko is not eternal
                1 + 2 + 3 = uncertainty which NO hesitates with the purchase of MKZT on any terms, at least you crack.
              2. mav1971
                mav1971 April 30 2016 10: 31
                +4
                Quote: Thirteenth

                He doesn’t worry, he BRANDS Rasku ... Well, this is such a Jewish national trait. Here a rare Israeli does not brand ...
                And that in his native Israel he will never tell the wordless Arabs ... It’s also probably a national trait.



                What are you talking about?
                Stop voicing your fantasies.
                The man wrote the real thing.
                Simple and affordable language.
                Fools usually suffer from a lack of understanding of real processes - they live by slogans.
                Think about how much money you need for equipment?
                And most importantly - where do you get workers now?

                Just do not need slogans that "everything was ruined."
                It has already passed - what exactly would you do now?
                come on your program ...
            2. razmik72
              razmik72 April 29 2016 20: 42
              +8
              "Comrades" Jews sometimes bring a rational grain to the comments. The purchase of MZKT by Russia makes not only Russia dependent on Belarus, but Belarus itself will depend on Russia, and if Belarusians are alienated, they will either repurpose production, or find other buyers, or a plant will go all over the world. In general, nothing good.
              1. razmik72
                razmik72 April 29 2016 21: 25
                +4
                Dear forum users, in my innocent comment about the need for cooperation with Belarus, I received many minuses. I would like to know how I angered respected forum users?
                1. Orionvit
                  Orionvit April 30 2016 09: 22
                  +4
                  Dear razmik72, do you at least understand what you wrote? Dependence of two countries on one plant. If this is applicable to Belarus, then not how to Russia. What does Russia's dependence on Belarus mean? It is clear that many products of the Russian defense complex are installed on the BAZ chassis, but there are no irreplaceable ones. As an example. There is a Motor Sich enterprise in Ukraine, which the local authorities have banned from supplying aircraft engines to Russia. Almost all Russian helicopters fly on the engines of this enterprise. So what? Russia can perfectly do everything itself. There are certain difficulties, but they are surmountable.
                2. Plato
                  Plato April 30 2016 13: 44
                  +1
                  Do not pay attention to people with a lack of logic. They do not see that they have privatized the whole of Russia - they have destroyed everything that is possible, and now they are reaching for where there is something to profit from.
              2. Thirteenth
                Thirteenth April 29 2016 21: 57
                -7
                Quote: razmik72
                “Comrades” Jews sometimes bring a grain of reason into the comments.



                Sometimes they do. And not sometimes they stink of poison. Where are you from? Whose "tricolor"?
                1. razmik72
                  razmik72 April 29 2016 22: 20
                  +5
                  Quote: Thirteenth
                  Quote: razmik72
                  “Comrades” Jews sometimes bring a grain of reason into the comments.



                  Sometimes they do. And not sometimes they stink of poison. Where are you from? Whose "tricolor"?

                  А smilehere it is, this is where the dog is closed. The forum residents did not like my mention of the "comrades" Jews, but in their comments there is also a rational grain, and not just poison.
                  1. Thirteenth
                    Thirteenth April 29 2016 23: 00
                    -9
                    Quote: razmik72
                    And smile, that's it, that's where the dog is closed. Forum residents did not like my mention of the "comrades" Jews,



                    At your mention of Jewish comrades, everyone is deeply ..t. Believe me. Somewhere you still have. Think.
                    1. razmik72
                      razmik72 April 29 2016 23: 13
                      +4
                      Quote: Thirteenth
                      Quote: razmik72
                      And smile, that's it, that's where the dog is closed. Forum residents did not like my mention of the "comrades" Jews,



                      At your mention of Jewish comrades, everyone is deeply ..n. Believe me. Somewhere you still have. Think.

                      Not respected, I have to admit that you are a boor. Learn to turn to a stranger to you and respect someone else's point of view.
            3. ASK505
              ASK505 April 29 2016 22: 12
              +8
              The Israeli said ..
              Why don't you live in peace in the "promised land"?
              Dumped "from Rashka" and that's all - what are you worried about?

              Calling your homeland "Rashka" is, in my opinion, nothing more than spitting on your mother. If you happen to be born and live in a great country, then at least you don't need to crap in words. It is only one step from such words to "Maidan of the Brain". My homeland is called Russia.
            4. Lex.
              Lex. April 29 2016 22: 43
              +1
              Wasiliy1985 RU  Today, 20:05 ↑ New


              The Israeli said ..
              Why don't you live in peace in the "promised land"?
              Dumped "from Rashka" and that's all - what are you worried about?
              I’ve never been to Raska so that I’ll get the hell out of her
              1. Chisayna
                Chisayna April 29 2016 23: 25
                -5
                And what then did you forget here? Or practice with the forum users, so as not to forget the Russian language? It’s better to forget the Russian language, live in your (), practice in Hebrew, Yiddish. And you will have a shekhed with shekels.
                1. Lex.
                  Lex. April 30 2016 09: 06
                  +5
                  Chisayna (1) IS  Yesterday, 23:25 PM ↑ New


                  And what then did you forget here? Or practice with the forum users, so as not to forget the Russian language? Better forget the Russian language, live in your own
                  Why are you leaving for Ireland and there are more satisfying
                  1. APASUS
                    APASUS 2 May 2016 16: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: Lex.
                    Why are you leaving for Ireland and there are more satisfying

                    This is actually the flag of Iceland.
          3. Lieutenant colonel
            Lieutenant colonel April 30 2016 02: 56
            +1
            But at the BAZ they don’t even know that you remade them in the workshop! What a horror, then, and they put out carts there! Oh ho ho - we are poor and wretched, crooked and slanting, we are all from abroad, and indeed from abroad. There, the kakly also screamed that nothing would float at us and would not fly without them.
            You would have left us to deal with our country ourselves, otherwise we might inadvertently start advising you as well ....
          4. mav1971
            mav1971 April 30 2016 10: 28
            +5
            Quote: Lex.

            At the beginning of the people, you don’t want to work at the factory for a penny. Next, buy machine tools machining centers are millions of dollars so they don’t melt for 10 years at a micron electronics factory develop nodes design test machines it’s a lot harder than you have to say yours 60 years experience do you really think of the bases that 60% of the details get with


            That's strange. Man wrote the truth.
            About the low salaries of workers.
            About the need to purchase new expensive machines.
            About the need to make reliable and beautiful cars.

            And he was terribly zamusnovat.
            And who is the real patriot now?
            Those morons who do not understand. What is an enterprise?
            not at the level of the welder, but at least at the level of the chief technologist or chief engineer ...

            Minusators - D, B!
        2. Suhov
          Suhov April 29 2016 19: 40
          +12
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          I do not mind, not only that, I think that Belarusians certainly need to be supported, but not at the cost of closing factories in Russia !!!

          Are you talking about?
          What kind of support?
          Buy only because it is profitable.
          And they closed their factories - because fools are at the helm. smile
        3. Eragon
          Eragon April 29 2016 19: 45
          +17
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          They didn’t ditch in Minsk, because we buy everything Belarusian with tractors when we have (had) our own ...

          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          We have closed our tractor plants Lipetsk, Vladimir and a bunch of friends, and we buy different MTZ ...

          Please specify if Russian plants were closed because Belarusian tractors began to buy, or Belarusian tractors began to buy because Russian plants were closed?
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          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 29 2016 20: 43
            +18
            Quote: Eragon
            Please specify if Russian plants were closed because Belarusian tractors began to buy, or Belarusian tractors began to buy because Russian plants were closed?

            I don’t know what was ahead, a chicken, or an egg, but if Belarus sells this plant to Russia, then it will close in a few years, because our efficient managers like to squeeze out all the juices from the enterprises, but really do not like to update equipment.
            1. MrK
              MrK April 30 2016 12: 01
              +3
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              But if Belarus sells this plant to Russia, then it will close in a few years, because our efficient managers like to squeeze all the juices out of the enterprises, but really do not like to update equipment.

              I agree with Mordvin. I will add and list a small fraction of what is destroyed by effective managers:
              Factory "Red Proletariat" (Moscow) (born in 1857 - killed in 2010);
              Izhevsk Motorcycle Plant (born in 1928 - killed in 2009);
              Irbit Motorcycle Plant (Ural) (born in 1941 - in a coma);
              Pavlovsk Tool Plant (born in 1820 - killed in 2011);
              Lipetsk Tractor Plant (born in 1943 - killed in 2009);
              Altai Tractor Plant (Rubtsovsk) (born in 1942 - killed in 2010);
              Shipbuilding Plant (Petrozavodsk) (born in 1939 - killed in 2010);
              Shipyard (Vladivostok) (born in 1895 - killed in 2009);
              Radio plant "Vega" (Berdsk) (born in 1946 - killed in 1999);
              Saratov Aviation Plant (born in 1931– killed in 2010);
              Omsk Transport Engineering Plant (born in 1896 - killed in 2009);
              Chelyabinsk watch factory "Lightning" (born in 1947 - killed in 2009);
              Uglich watch factory "The Seagull" (born in 1938 - killed in 2009);
              The second Moscow watch factory "Glory" (born in 1924 - killed in 2006);
              Chistopol watch factory “Vostok” (born in 1941– killed in 2010);
              Plant "Stankomash" (Chelyabinsk) (born in 1935 - killed in 2009);
              Ryazan Machine Tool Plant (born in 1949 - killed in 2008);
              Kronstadt Marine Plant (born in 1858 - killed in 2005);
              Kuzbasselement Plant (born in 1942 - killed in 2008);
              Irkutsk Radio Plant (born in 1945 - killed in 2007);
              Precision casting plant "Centrolit" (Lipetsk) (born in 1963 - killed in 2009);
              Tomsk Instrument Plant (born in 1961 - killed in 2007);
              Sivinit Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (born in 1970 - killed in 2004);
              Krasnoyarsk TV Factory (born in 1952 - killed in 2003);
              Oryol plant managing computers (born in 1968 - killed in 2006);
              Orenburg Hardware Plant (born in 1943 - killed in 2009);
              Khabarovsk factory "EVGO" (born in 2000 - killed in 2009);
              Ulyanovsk Radio Tube Plant (born in 1959 - killed in 2003);
              Sibelektrostal Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (born in 1952 - killed in 2008);
              Orenburg Silk Fabric Combine (born in 1972 - killed in 2004);
              Barysh factory them. Gladysheva (born in 1825 - killed in 2005);
              Flax Association them. Zvorykina (Kostroma) (born in 1939 - killed in 2011);
              Far Eastern Radio Plant (born in 1993 - killed in 2009);
              Bicycle factory (Yoshkar-Ola) (born in 1950 - killed in 2006);
              Bicycle plant (Nizhny Novgorod) (born in 1940 - killed in 2007);
              Perm Bicycle Plant (born in 1939 - killed in 2006);
              Baltic Plant (born in 1856 - killed in 2011);
              Sibtyazhmash Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (born in 1941 - killed in 2011);
              Khimprom Plant (Volgograd) (born in 1931 - killed in 2010);
              Irkutsk driveshaft plant (born in 1974 - killed in 2004);
              Izhmash Plant (Izhevsk) (born in 1807 - killed in 2012) ...
              ...and even more than 40 thousand (!) factories and factories that died in an unequal battle with the "market" invaders [Requiem for Russia http://m-athanasios.livejournal.com/]
              1. Plato
                Plato April 30 2016 15: 08
                0
                Correctly write.
        4. Wasiliy1985
          Wasiliy1985 April 29 2016 19: 55
          +20
          But I think that we do not support "Old Man", but pay for our own carelessness. Than looking for a speck in the eye of "Old Man", it would be better if they took out the log from the eye.
          KZKT is one example ..
          MZKT for some reason is alive ..

          Often, the “hand of the market” turns out to be the “hand of death”.
          Greetings from Gaidar (with a capital letter I write only about Arkady Gaidar.)
        5. 34 region
          34 region April 29 2016 19: 57
          +14
          10.07. And when we rushed to buy imports in the 90s, who did we support? Buying Bush's legs, who was supported? Abandoning your ship and aircraft, who supported? Old Man, unlike us, supported his own cars, even tractor plants. And what about our ZIL and Moskvich-AZLK? Dad killed them? And we closed a lot of things, and abandoned cities and villages. This is also the old man to blame?
        6. alexmach
          alexmach April 29 2016 19: 59
          +15
          They didn’t ditch in Minsk, because we buy everything Belarusian with tractors when we have (had) our own ...


          You know, don’t talk about Lukashenko, but it’s his achievement and Belarusians that they didn’t ditch and cut the industry inherited from the Soviet era, and maintained economic ties. Therefore, by the way, they value their independence from Russia. Why do they need, for example, Chubais?
        7. Wasiliy1985
          Wasiliy1985 April 29 2016 20: 01
          +14
          And "Old Man" is doing the right thing that "figs" are showing us. For by a living example he shows that, being friendly with Russia, one can live a normal life.
          He has a whole set of terrible Russophobia at his side. One hundred kilometers to the side - and on you: "occupation, genocide, in short - give us money, even though we are in NATO."
          And Lukashenko does not require anything particularly insane from Russia: everything on the topic is trade, technology cooperation, military defense.
          And what's wrong?
        8. Victor jnnjdfy
          Victor jnnjdfy April 29 2016 20: 42
          +3
          The Belarusian tractor "Belarus" was assembled and is being assembled from Russian components (as well as the late "Vladimir"). Since the days of the USSR, Belarus has been the final assembly shop. So everything is relative ...

          It is better for Russia to build and modernize plants at home, rather than engage in the modernization of Belarusian plants. Moreover, there they will not appreciate this gesture, but consider that the cunning Belarusians outplayed the big and stupid Russians. Let Belarus modernize its plants itself (it’s not clear what kind of shisha it is, it’s all in debt).
          1. Vikxnumx
            Vikxnumx April 30 2016 07: 49
            +7
            And you do not confuse anything? Maybe this MTZ is assembled from car kits at FIVE sites in the Russian Federation?
            Have you seen MTZ for a long time?
        9. lukke
          lukke April 29 2016 22: 55
          +2
          They didn’t ditch in Minsk, because we buy everything Belarusian with tractors when we have (had) our own ... We support Lukashenko in essence, but he shows us figs ...
          Yes? Or maybe it all depends on the head
        10. Belopolyak
          Belopolyak April 30 2016 09: 54
          +2
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          I do not mind, not only that, I think that Belarusians certainly need to be supported, but not at the cost of closing factories in Russia !!!

          And do not forget to stop supporting the auto industry of all countries of the world and buy only a fret, so that it is not support at the price of your factory. And in general, buy only Russian, there is nothing for the adversaries to finance and rest only at home, etc. etc. I hope they understood what nonsense they wrote?
        11. Oleg L.
          Oleg L. April 30 2016 10: 06
          +7
          who was stopping you from buying your tractors and tractors? You put your plants on your knees even earlier than you started to buy equipment from us, that's all and you don’t have to talk about support here, it’s profitable for you to buy here, you wouldn’t buy it
        12. Plato
          Plato April 30 2016 13: 15
          +1
          Do not talk nonsense. The pier was ditched for the sake of supporting the Belarusian industry. In fact, they ditched their own and Kremlin privatizers pull their dirty little hands to those resources that still work.
      2. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 April 29 2016 19: 13
        +1
        "... they killed in Kurgan, but not in Minsk ...."
        What are you selling ?! Money is over ?! Or, in the EU, sneakers turned ?! And here we are, on the third day we launched a rocket, from HIS (!) Cosmodrome ... wink
        1. Eragon
          Eragon April 29 2016 19: 26
          +13
          Quote: ALABAY45
          What are you selling ?! Money is over ?! Or, in the EU, sneakers turned ?! And here we are, on the third day we launched a rocket, from HIS (!) Cosmodrome ...

          Congratulations on the rocket with all my heart good ... And what about the EU and MTKZ, you think you are writing. MTKZ was originally "sharpened" under the "military" of the USSR. What does the EU have to do with it? In Europe, what, they need tractors for Soviet-Russian missiles ???
          And money is never superfluous smile . And we have problems with this money, why not, why not sell it?
          1. ALABAY45
            ALABAY45 April 29 2016 19: 45
            +1
            "... think you are writing ..."
            You know, you are used to thinking, comparing and looking into the future, apparently, this is my "disadvantage." And the director of your state bluntly stated that "Russia has neither money, nor brains ...." We must now be under " confinement "to pay compensation for the USSR military service ?! In turn "brothers" Belarusians, in turn ... Before you are the Balts, Kazakhs, etc. repeat
            1. Eragon
              Eragon April 29 2016 20: 04
              +11
              Sorry if I offended you. But the piece of the sentence should not be given as a whole:
              Quote: Eragon
              And about the EU and the MTKZ, you think you write.

              Where did you see the attitude to your mental abilities here? It's just that I don't understand your connection between the MTKZ and the EU. And about "confinement" ... Yes, for God's sake, restore your production, modernize the existing one, where does it have some kind of compensation, for what? For example, I do not have the slightest idea what is financially more profitable for the Russian Federation: to make its own trucks, or to buy ours.
              PS By the way, "minus" is not mine hi
              1. ALABAY45
                ALABAY45 April 29 2016 20: 20
                +4
                To offend me is almost impossible! I have steel cables instead of nerves! And, regarding the restoration of production ... Do not worry, Russia has recovered after the Civil War and the Great Patriotic War (in my opinion, together with the BSSR ?! Or, am I mistaken ?!) And, suddenly "... without money, without brains" .. ... hi
                1. bovig
                  bovig April 29 2016 21: 53
                  +7
                  Quote: ALABAY45
                  To offend me is almost impossible! I have steel cables instead of nerves! And, regarding the restoration of production ... Do not worry, Russia has recovered after the Civil War and the Great Patriotic War (in my opinion, together with the BSSR ?! Or, am I mistaken ?!) And, suddenly "... without money, without brains" .. ... hi

                  Absolutely right! Everything is just like that - both the first and the second ... The richest country in the world, but without money and without brains! Or do you want to call our Medvederovsky government a BRAIN? Or call the Central Bank MONEY? The Central Bank, of course, is a wallet, but not OUR. Government, if brains, then those below the lower back. There are, of course, sensible ministers in the government, but very few of them!
                2. Aleksey_K
                  Aleksey_K April 29 2016 22: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: ALABAY45
                  .Do not worry, Russia has recovered after the Civil and Great Patriotic War (in my opinion, together with the BSSR ?! Or am I mistaken ?!)

                  They said almost right. Only the system was socialist. All that was needed for the USSR was built. And now the situation is such that under the treaty on the limitation of strategic offensive arms, Russia cannot make additional nuclear missiles, but only in exchange for obsolete and withdrawn from service. Building a plant and creating your own tractor with an annual output of 1-3 tractor is not a profitable event. For a capitalist economy - not profitable. There is no profit for the owner of the plant.
                  1. midivan
                    midivan April 30 2016 01: 30
                    +4
                    Quote: Алексей_К
                    To build a plant and create your own tractor with a production volume of 1-3 tractors per year is not a profitable event. For a capitalist economy - not profitable. There is no profit for the owner of the plant.

                    and if the owner of the plant is the state? and if you produce not narrowly specialized tractors but, say, all-terrain vehicles for Gazprom on their basis, for example, in the net of rollers Kamaz and Urals are torn off-road and even Krazy and equipment are needed much more powerful and passable, and squeeze money from the same Gazprom smile take away from the "echo", and invest in the plant, for examplelaughing , well, isn’t it really such a plant that is many times more difficult to raise than the same cosmodrome or Sochi Olympia, because we can when necessary?
                  2. alexmach
                    alexmach April 30 2016 17: 12
                    +1
                    To build a plant and create your own tractor with a production volume of 1-3 tractors per year is not a profitable event.


                    Why 3-4 tractors per year then? Our strategic missiles take + divisions on Minsk tractors and S-300, 400, 500. Iskander? RZSO? Balls Bastions and Shores? Even for the Carapace, high-terrain chassis was proposed to be developed
      3. Suhov
        Suhov April 29 2016 19: 20
        +12
        Quote: Eragon
        So it’s different - they killed in Kurgan, but not in Minsk.
        good
        And for our businessmen, everything is only the best and the most expensive and free then ... oh so!
        The villains and bastards are accustomed to grab what a hundred rubles cost for a wooden rupe, and these are real, full-bodied and green.
        I hate such businessmen.
        Give them the MZKT, they will do another shopping complex in its place ...
        For these villains, profit is everything.
        But on defense you won’t earn much.
        As experience shows, all that they managed to keep in the military-industrial complex is thanks to those leaders who first thought about their homeland, and then ...
        For example - the history of the creation of the T-90 tank.
        The fact that good is left of the Soviet military-industrial complex,
        it’s not thanks but contrary to those actions
        which were initiated by "great" economists like Gaidar.
        Old Man at least kept the company,
        And our businessmen LIKE a LIKE!
        Is it necessary?
        Buy it!
        Old Man does not seem to prohibit, and, unlike our Ukrainian partners, cooperates.
        hi
      4. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim April 29 2016 19: 27
        -2
        Quote: Eragon
        they killed in Kurgan, but not in Minsk

        In fact, every now and then ditched in Kurgan for the sake of Minsk, they thought the union state, and in response Russia had "no money or brains", supposedly we are not replaceable. KAMAZ and BAZ are just waiting for a political decision. It is not for nothing that Lukashenka has already started talking about an exchange for an oil field, what will happen next, when even more weapons will be on Russian tractors.
        1. 34 region
          34 region April 29 2016 20: 06
          +8
          Klim! 19.27. Well then, along the way, it was necessary to close KAMAZ in favor of Scania and Mana with Mercedes? What is trifling there !? So it turns out? AvtoVAZ can be closed to please foreign concerns. Production of Oka for the sake of whom they closed? And having got his oil production, the Old Man will simply have raw materials at cost. Effective approach.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 April 29 2016 20: 57
            0
            Quote: Region 34
            And having got his oil production, the Old Man will simply have raw materials at cost. Effective approach.

            Will not. It is necessary to pay excise duty
            In general, it’s cheaper to buy somewhere in Venezuela. What's the problem? The problem is that he won’t get anything, he’s used to being supplied at cost
        2. Eragon
          Eragon April 29 2016 20: 12
          +4
          Quote: Anatol Klim
          No wonder Lukashenko has already started talking about an exchange for an oil field

          Oh yes, this is something ... I don’t know what was “decided” on this exchange in our government, but his proposal is not regarded as anything other than an anecdote by the people.
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan April 29 2016 19: 04
      +12
      You are right for all 100% all factories of the military-industrial complex should be on the territory of Russia, otherwise we’ll buy it today, and tomorrow another president will come and nationalize everything ... Therefore, bargaining is not appropriate, profitable, not profitable, it’s always more profitable and safer to create your own!
      1. Lex.
        Lex. April 29 2016 19: 16
        +1
        You're right, you're right, 100% right, even the United States buys chips in China and rocket engines from you, and what
      2. alexmach
        alexmach April 29 2016 20: 03
        +1
        Unfortunately, Russia is too small a country and backward in terms of production. She will not pull 100% herself. 100% The Soviet Union only pulled, and it was 100 million more in terms of population, and the percentage of this population engaged in productive activities was once .. how much? at 5? 10? more than in Russia.
      3. Suhov
        Suhov April 29 2016 20: 16
        +3
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        You're 100% right All defense industry plants should be in Russiaotherwise we’ll buy it today, and tomorrow another president will come and nationalize everything ...

        You are one hundred percent right! good
        Russia must be self-sufficient in the military sphere.
        So be safe when there are no vulnerabilities.

        And not by the fact that Belarusians are in spite
        but in order to reduce the motivation of our "potential partners"
        to the destruction of relations between Russia and Belarus,
        including military-technical cooperation.
        hi
    3. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov April 29 2016 19: 45
      +3
      Old Man is too cunning, you can buy production technology, but not a plant that is located in another state.

      Defense enterprises must have their own.
      1. 34 region
        34 region April 29 2016 20: 11
        +2
        Butts! 19.45. What is the Old Man cunning? It is possible for others, but not for him? Why? After all, even our government says: Come, invest, produce, well, do at least something to us !!! So what's cunning here? After all, we release foreign equipment at home and nothing!
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov April 29 2016 19: 47
      +1
      MZKT tractors will soon begin to replace KAMAZ products. It seems that the tests are already underway. So we can do without "brothers". In general, the experience with Ukraine taught a lot - no strategic projects with foreign states, even with fraternal ones, because they can instantly become fiercely hostile.
      1. Plato
        Plato April 30 2016 15: 29
        0
        Do not produce enemies, here is a recipe for prosperity. They pushed Ukraine away from indifference, and now we run into Belarus. Like do not give to buy their production. Why do Russian oligarchs need Belarusian power? Yes, they privatized theirs, sold them for scrap to please the West, now we need to continue to please them - ruining successful neighbors.
    5. gispanec
      gispanec April 29 2016 19: 54
      +1
      Quote: ALABAY45
      I do not know what is different

      Well, if you don’t know, then don’t comment ... or even a pun, by golly ...
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 April 29 2016 20: 53
        +2
        Well, since you know, explain what workshop No. 23 on the KZKT did in 1983 ...! Weak ?! By the way, God is capitalized ... Or, for you, God is a pun ... Have a conscience, Easter the day after tomorrow!
        1. lelikas
          lelikas April 29 2016 21: 30
          +4
          Quote: ALABAY45
          By the way, God is capitalized ... Or, for you, God is a pun ... Have a conscience, Easter the day after tomorrow

          I do not want to seem boring, but according to the rules of the Russian language, the word god is written with a lowercase letter, if this word is used as part of an established circulation - which gispanec did.
          Z.Y. Yes, and capitalization is advisory in nature, since the rules of 1956 have not been canceled yet.
          1. ALABAY45
            ALABAY45 April 29 2016 21: 48
            +2
            "... t, k, the rules of 1956 have not been canceled yet ..."
            And, until 1956, the word "God" was written with a capital letter ?! By the order of the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation of June 8, 2009 No. 195 "On the approval of the list of grammars, dictionaries and reference books containing the norms of the modern Russian literary language when it is used as a state language of the Russian Federation ”, a list of dictionaries was approved that contain the norms of the modern literary Russian language. This list contains the spelling dictionary of Bookchina and Sazonov, which indicates that "in Christianity and some other religions" is written with a capital letter - God. By the way, "ZY" -Generally recognized linguistic ugliness, then it is already generally accepted OK! - Sch.L.?! wink
            1. lelikas
              lelikas April 30 2016 10: 47
              +2
              Quote: ALABAY45
              which indicates that "in Christianity and certain other religions" is written with a capital letter - God.

              And who said gispanec is not an atheist? :)
              As an atheist, I can write in lower case, but I write in capital letters - just out of respect for the rest (by the way, referring to you - this also applies).
              Z.Y. - not ugliness, but banal laziness to switch the layout - yes, I'm lazy, really!
              hi
    6. bovig
      bovig April 29 2016 21: 22
      +7
      Quote: ALABAY45
      I don’t know how the MZKT differs from the KZKT (Kurgan Wheel Tractor Plant) that previously existed in Kurgan. They ruined ... am Now, there is a shopping center and, now, we will begin to acquire assets in the adjacent territories, to call the "brotherly people" the language does not turn ... Not a Belarusian phobia, but the actions of "but father" ... recourse

      But father's actions can be viewed as unfriendly (he is primarily concerned with the interests of his state and, perhaps, his own), but the essence of the matter is irrelevant. But my father has nothing to do with the fact that the KZKT was ditched, but our own government, which for the last few years has only been concerned about the next privatization, has the most direct relation. Take, for example, VAZ: they privatized, sold "piece by piece", put the "Varangian" Bu Andersen in management and, as a result, tore the logistics to shreds, ruined several factories for the production of components and the parent plant itself is under the threat of bankruptcy, to some extent in connection with sanctions ... Who needs to weld (from the cohort of "effective managers"), profit on dividends and offshore, and now they will ask the state to save bankrupts ... It was not an uncle from the outside who was engaged in sabotage, but our relatives "effective managers "and" caring private owners "... Here is another government of Medvedev, as the leader of the United Russia, will buy out MZKT and it will not surprise me if it is also" grabbed "by" effective managers "among themselves and the fate of KZKT will befall it. And, as a result, we get Russophobic Belarusians - workers of the MZKT.
    7. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K April 29 2016 22: 26
      +6
      Quote: ALABAY45
      I don’t know how the MZKT differs from the KZKT (Kurgan Wheel Tractor Plant) that previously existed in Kurgan.

      The Kurgan plant never made a chassis for the Topol, Topol-M mobile ground missile systems, Pechora anti-aircraft missile systems, Buk-M2 air defense systems, the Iskander-M complex launcher chassis, and the S- air defense system 300, C-400, Bal coastal missile system, Monolith-B coastal airborne reconnaissance complex, Club-M .. coastal defense mobile missile system
      If KZKT did these products in parallel with MKZT, then there would have been no questions, they simply would not have bought this equipment in Belarus.
    8. siberalt
      siberalt April 30 2016 07: 22
      0
      If Russia buys the whole of Belarus, then someone else will buy it, like Ukraine.
    9. Plato
      Plato April 30 2016 13: 19
      +1
      Where is Russian industry? She is not. And Old Man Lukashenko saved the Soviet legacy and increased it. Now the Russian oligarchs are climbing to plunder the neighboring country. So do not be surprised that we are not called brothers. Kremlin liberoids only know how to drag in your pocket. Something creative is not visible from them.
  2. Muvka
    Muvka April 29 2016 18: 51
    +3
    Not better things at the Bryansk Automobile Plant. Back in early November 2015, the commercial bank Slavia, as a creditor, filed a bankruptcy case for BAZ. In order to save the enterprise, 18 in November 2015 of the year more than 90% of the shares of the joint stock company were transferred to the ownership of the VKO Almaz - Antey concern. However, the change of the second general director in six months says that things are not going uphill either. But it was precisely at the facilities of the Bryansk plant that it was planned to replace the products of MZKT.

    I don’t get it. There immediately, right the next day, was the production of equipment for the military set up? Some kind of nonsense. Such things are not done right away, I think ...
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher April 29 2016 19: 02
      +15
      And, you will not understand. This is another story about: "They have no money, no brains, they don't have enough."
      And now think for yourself there is money, you need cars, there is a neighbor who can barely make ends meet. And he says: Grandmas forward and on time, I can’t guarantee it. And, that would guarantee to invest in my plant, in modernization, still a hell of a lot of money.
      So where to invest? To your factory or to Sesed’s?
      And we already heard these songs about the bending auto industry, because it is bent because the money goes anywhere, but not to its own.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 29 2016 19: 38
        +8
        Quote: bad
        Bryansk tractors than bad?

        Quote: Observer 33
        you will not understand. This is another story about: "They have no money, no brains, they don't have enough."

        The article is by no means a competent expert, but a journalist.
        BAZ is better than MZKT, which confirms the transfer to their base of S-400.
        But this another class - the largest base for 40 tons of load.
        The superheavy tractors MZKT, (for MBRK) the development of the design of the middle of the last century, is also not something that no one in the world can do except the bald dad. laughing
        This plant lives precisely due to orders from the Russian Federation, and not due to some other export, as the author of the article naively believes.
        Now is the time to make a new super heavy military tractor of the 21st century. In particular, KamAZ is testing a car with electric transmission. Rides on video is not bad and there is no doubt that this problem will be solved, because creating a tractor is much simpler and cheaper than a modern airplane or even avidvigatel in terms of technology.
        But this business also requires hefty investments, so what to invest them in a plant in the territory of another state?
        Even the horse understands - this is unlikely. wink
        1. 34 region
          34 region April 29 2016 20: 21
          0
          Alekseev! 19.38. Well, selling their products to Russia is export! And what is KAMAZ producing there? Yes, there is a military order. It seems that KAMAZ clone of Mercedes began to produce. No wonder there Mercian share. But what about his? Rally on imported motors and components? Yes, ours there (in the rally) the inscription KAMAZ and our racers. In my opinion, take any issue of a citizen, all the stupid cloning of foreign analogues. At least LADA, at least KAMAZ. What can you put an inscription on, designed and produced in Russia?
  3. bad
    bad April 29 2016 18: 52
    +16
    .. and the Bryansk tractors are bad? .. also give money to do better and their own .. well buy .. and then from the "father" will take a change of mood and nationalize .. or zeroand with cookies in Minsk will roll .. well, you understand .. it is fraught .. probably someone is lobbying for this deal very much .. winked
  4. Winnie76
    Winnie76 April 29 2016 18: 56
    +21
    The purchase of the MZKT is a crazy political risk. Lukashenko is not eternal; suddenly, the next president will want panties in the EU.
    1. Eragon
      Eragon April 29 2016 19: 00
      +2
      Quote: Winnie76
      The purchase of the MZKT is a crazy political risk. Lukashenko is not eternal; suddenly, the next president will want panties in the EU.

      So Putin is not eternal ... And "Dimka" is somehow slippery ...
      1. midivan
        midivan April 30 2016 01: 40
        +4
        Quote: Eragon
        So Putin is not eternal ... And "Dimka" is somehow slippery ...

        so, and when Putin’s eternity expires, I would shoot myself immediately in the place of Diman, then Dima’s death is in the egg, and the egg is at the GDP lol
    2. avt
      avt April 29 2016 19: 38
      +1
      Quote: Winnie76
      The purchase of the MZKT is a crazy political risk.

      At the expense of the political - this is a matter of the future, and buying today - quite specifically, you can run into a kid. As if the author was not moaning a la But father
      Another argument in favor of the fact that Russia is more profitable to buy the MZKT than to lift the enterprises off their knees and organize the full cycle of production of military equipment on them is the need to create new infrastructure for the supply, maintenance and repair of Bryansk chassis.
      KAMAZ made a car, tests it and brings it to the troops. Talking and frightening is stupid and in general ... Butskino. laughing And yet, well, right from the title
      Why Russia will sooner or later buy from Belarus MZKT
      Russia will buy when it is needed, or will not buy at all. And when it is necessary "they will decide on KAMAZ and turn around with the topic, but it will be But Father, which he has already demonstrated by changing shoes on the fly with never selling and they have no mind and money Enough, until I'm ready to sell. Who said he was not ready? But give me a hit Tyumen, Khanty Khanty from Mansi laughing but give. I’ll predict one hundred pounds - KAMAZ will wait for Yong to come running and say - Well, at least take it. He will really bring it to this in his strong thrift.
      Quote: seti
      . If you have embarked on a complete import substitution, then you need to keep it. Moreover, you need to bail out your enterprises. But the Belarusian plant is still cool, but a competitor to Russian enterprises.

      I really wasn't until I became, but it really will become and not in such a distant future. Further .... the MZKT will be bad. I am not gloating - I am stating the fact that the quite sane director of the MZKT was on his face when Butt was rubbing him about the lack of money and intelligence in "dear Russians", here the director perfectly understands what all this is for his factory will run out.
      Quote: bad
      ..a Bryansk tractors than bad ?.

      The weight category is smaller. But BAZ is also doing its job and, having switched to Almaz Antey, will turn off the MZKT from the tractors for air defense and will already butt only with KAMAZ.
  5. seti
    seti April 29 2016 19: 05
    +13
    Quote: Winnie76
    The purchase of the MZKT is a crazy political risk. Lukashenko is not eternal; suddenly, the next president will want panties in the EU.

    I agree completely. If you have embarked on a complete import substitution, then you need to keep it. Moreover, you need to bail out your enterprises. But the Belarusian plant is still cool, but a competitor to Russian enterprises. Why invest a lot of money in a necessary but alien plant ..? You need to develop your plants and provide orders. And the state is well and the workers a constant salary. The example of Ukraine should teach in the end to rely only on oneself.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka April 29 2016 19: 08
      +2
      Hold on. I don't understand why people constantly put "b" in verbs when they don't need to, and don't when they need to. Is it a virus of some kind?
      1. Eragon
        Eragon April 29 2016 19: 17
        +6
        Quote: Muvka
        Hold on. I don't understand why people constantly put "b" in verbs when they don't need to, and don't when they need to. Is it a virus of some kind?

        And what is there to understand - hello to education reform: ordinary illiteracy sad And this is not the worst case. Everywhere "chya" "schya" "chyu" "schu", I generally keep quiet about punctuation marks. A special case of hyphens, many do not understand at all what it is.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka April 29 2016 20: 34
          +4
          Quote: Eragon
          Quote: Muvka
          Hold on. I don't understand why people constantly put "b" in verbs when they don't need to, and don't when they need to. Is it a virus of some kind?

          And what is there to understand - hello to education reform: ordinary illiteracy sad And this is not the worst case. Everywhere "chya" "schya" "chyu" "schu", I generally keep quiet about punctuation marks. A special case of hyphens, many do not understand at all what it is.

          Wow how many illiterate people here. We are vehemently minus. For in a different way they cannot;)
          1. midivan
            midivan April 30 2016 01: 55
            +3
            Quote: Muvka
            Wow how many illiterate people here. We are vehemently minus. For in a different way they cannot;)

            we are minus and we are getting stronger! laughing
            1. ASK505
              ASK505 April 30 2016 11: 24
              +2
              Quote: midivan
              Wow how many illiterate people here. We are vehemently minus. For in a different way they cannot;)
              Quote: midivan
              we are minus and we are getting stronger!


              Everything is there, but the beginning of a sentence in Russian is written with a capital letter. And after the word "minus" a comma will not hurt.
              1. midivan
                midivan April 30 2016 16: 42
                +3
                Quote: ASK505
                Everything is there, but the beginning of a sentence in Russian is written with a capital letter. And after the word "minus" a comma will not hurt.

                Well, as if I agree with you, but in that case it would be contradictory, and I consider myself smile
                Quote: ASK505
                Wow how many illiterate
                , just don’t have to remember about reforms, I studied in the union, I just decided very early that I’m already smart, about grade 5 and no one could convince me of this, do I regret it? Yes, but not fatally, someone needs hands work smile and this does not hinder me in life. PS, in principle, I try to write correctly how much is available to me smile and yet (as the right-writers love here) Py Sy somehow in the village of a student to the question why he didn’t learn a verse, he answered, but I really need him to pull the levers in the field laughing just don’t think that this is my credo drinks
      2. ASK505
        ASK505 April 30 2016 11: 56
        +3
        Quote: Muvka
        I don't understand why people constantly put "b" in verbs when they don't need to, and don't when they need to. Is it a virus of some kind?


        Unfortunately, Ivan Ivanovich cannot learn what Vanechka did not learn. Something needs to be done. Blatantly often ignorance in the letter on the site is a minus to moderators. In the Terms of Use, this must be taken into account, i.e. give the original post, but next show the correct spelling and punctuation. This will be both useful and an incentive for self-education. Live and learn. Otherwise, gross errors are eaten into the subconscious, transmitted to others, like a virus. A person is already beginning to think that it is written that way and cannot be otherwise. This is a degradation of consciousness and the destruction of the matrix of the Russian World. This is the bough we're all sitting on. If all this is released on the brakes, then, in the end, the great Russian language will simply degenerate. You need to start with yourself, and not wait for “gifts” from above from Lebanon. True love for one’s homeland is unthinkable without love for one’s tongue.
        PS I look forward to hearing from the site Guide. The question is not idle.
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 29 2016 19: 20
      +2
      It's all about effective managers. The loot is faster to get. The long run is not their thing.
  6. Yak28
    Yak28 April 29 2016 19: 07
    +7
    By the way, there are German gearboxes on the KAMAZ ZRPK "Pantsir", the springs are also imported, I don’t remember whose springs, but this is not good. In case of which the supplies to Russia will immediately stop and there is a possibility of remaining in flight. Therefore, all the junk associated with the defense industry must be produced at home from their components. There are no fraternal states and peoples, the situation in the world can change instantly and you need to be ready for this
    1. Muvka
      Muvka April 29 2016 19: 10
      +2
      Quote: Yak28
      By the way, there are German gearboxes on the KAMAZ ZRPK "Pantsir", the springs are also imported, I don’t remember whose springs, but this is not good. In case of which the supplies to Russia will immediately stop and there is a possibility of remaining in flight. Therefore, all the junk associated with the defense industry must be produced at home from their components. There are no fraternal states and peoples, the situation in the world can change instantly and you need to be ready for this

      Are you sure about that? Is Typhoon-K also German? Or maybe German is only for the citizen?
    2. kugelblitz
      kugelblitz April 29 2016 19: 28
      +5
      ZF boxes have long been manufactured in Naberezhnye Chelny. http://zf-kama.chelny.info/
  7. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz April 29 2016 19: 09
    +5
    BAZ certainly has enough problems (ATP for Libertarian economists), but in general, orders will be pulled out. How did things go with the Volgograd Tractor.
  8. Sorokin
    Sorokin April 29 2016 19: 16
    +1
    Come on, her brauino. Somehow they mastered tractor equipment and combines even with air conditioners. Why don't I believe in BelAZ MAZs and other porcupines based on MTZ. Moreover, "fraternal".
  9. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev April 29 2016 19: 18
    +18
    Dear author, here you have written
    "to buy an MZKT, than to raise enterprises from their knees and organize a full cycle of production of military equipment on them - the need to create a new infrastructure for the supply, maintenance and repair of Bryansk chassis"
    Well, we will buy this plant, and why? to be blackmailed. no, this is not necessary. you need to build yourself, at least we will not depend.
    Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant - the enterprise will become the property of the Russian military-industrial complex, but only under a different leadership of the neighboring states
    and the government will change and the plant will be sued again, they will not return the equipment accused of violations, enough of that already Russia passed.
    First of all, this is the deplorable state of the Russian automotive industry
    but we will buy MKTZ and immediately the auto industry will develop?
    brings significant profit and has a "name" in many countries of the world
    Well, thank God, I'm glad that things are going well at the plant, but I would be more glad if our missiles would carry cars made in Russia. I hope it will be.
    It is clear that the neighbors from Belarus will not “beat under their breath” and will not give up a tasty Russian pie called state defense order.
    why not provide our people with work and state defense with an order?
    Dear author, there is no need to take care of how to earn money from Belarus, to pass it off as a concern from the automobile industry and the defense industry of Russia.
    Of course, we Russians live in a rich country, but let's not even live in a stupid one!
    let's. therefore, you need to build and develop yourself and not spend money on the development of another state. Agree, it's stupid to give work to others. when they can do this with us, in the same Bryansk.
    About qdecades and billions of dollars. I will give an example that if Russia did not spend money on engine production in Ukraine, but developed production, it would now be easier to replace products made in Ukraine. here is the conclusion if they buy MKTZ, then it will be busted. Belarusians understand, there’s nothing personal, but nothing personal, just business (employees are very sorry, bestial grin of capitalism).
    to squeeze Russia on the export market of military equipment, maybe even its own OTRK "Polonaise" and Kyrgyzstan "Aist". dear author, and that Belarus has mastered the full production cycle of these products and on a massive scale?
    1. Sorokin
      Sorokin April 29 2016 19: 22
      +2
      Generally adequate and correct
  10. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel April 29 2016 19: 24
    +2
    "... and we still scare reliable Belarusian suppliers"
    So who scares whom? But father? So that already senile marasmus is visible.
  11. DPN
    DPN April 29 2016 19: 25
    +1
    The best technology of the former USSR, you need to be a fool to refuse.
  12. Bizer
    Bizer April 29 2016 19: 40
    +2
    Grandma's gossip !!! Our industry is ready to replace tractors, and secretly, rockets also have something to carry ... The author has no idea what a "crown" and how to smear it on bread ...
  13. Bizer
    Bizer April 29 2016 19: 43
    +8
    They have good equipment, but they look at Europe as the Ukrainians used to be. So the spaceport is like air, Kazakhstan will not catch a shot either. All this is an independent development strategy.
  14. Div Divich
    Div Divich April 29 2016 19: 48
    +3
    No need to buy the MZKT (land and buildings), Belarusians will not sell the drawings for anything.

    It is necessary to redirect funding from the MZKT to Russian enterprises, give a clear technical task and will do what is needed in a few years. At first it will be hard, then everything will go easier along the beaten track.
  15. skeptic
    skeptic April 29 2016 19: 52
    +9
    Lord!
    Gather all the red privatizers and managers for a big meeting,
    Liberalists - on the podium.
    And hit them all at once, for the genocide of the Russians and the collapse of the great Power.
    Amen!
    1. midivan
      midivan April 30 2016 02: 03
      +4
      Quote: skep
      Lord!
      Gather all the red privatizers and managers for a big meeting,
      Liberalists - on the podium.
      And hit them all at once, for the genocide of the Russians and the collapse of the great Power.
      Amen!

      trust in God, but don’t be fooled wink
  16. horoh
    horoh April 29 2016 19: 56
    +4
    An interesting picture turns out, in my native Kurgan they killed the KZKT in order to redeem the MZKT, so what ??? Finish damn .....
  17. lopvlad
    lopvlad April 29 2016 20: 04
    +5
    There is no sense in buying MZKT for Russia, since this enterprise is not a bearer of unique and "piece" technologies, the export potential of this plant is zero because only Russia is in demand for its products, and even then until the BZKT is fully operational after modernization ...
    Lukashenko understands this very well.
    That Belaz Russia with the transfer of the enterprise to Russian land would buy only who will sell it to us.

    to squeeze Russia on the export market of military equipment, maybe even with its OTRK "Polonaise" and Kyrgyzstan "Aist".

    in this market Belarus can only squeeze Ukraine
  18. acetophenon
    acetophenon April 29 2016 20: 08
    +6
    No need to buy what no one except us needs in exchange for what everyone needs. If ours is not bought, Lukashenko will close the factory? No! Will he sell all the tractors to anyone else? No one will buy. Why twitch? Wants to sell? Let him want further.
  19. black
    black April 29 2016 20: 17
    +6
    The author unsuccessfully tries to prove that Russia cannot do without this plant. MANAGED. Not in the first. The production base is out of date. There is always a replacement. There is no way to do it ourselves. It’s cheaper to change Lukashenko than to buy a plant.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek April 29 2016 21: 44
      +1
      By and large, yes.
      Because of this "candle factory" I would not get involved in politics in Belarus and its problems.
  20. Verdun
    Verdun April 29 2016 20: 40
    +6
    I do not mind, not only that, I think that Belarusians certainly need to be supported, but not at the cost of closing factories in Russia !!!
    BAZ certainly has enough problems (ATP for Libertarian economists), but in general, orders will be pulled out. How did things go with the Volgograd Tractor.
    The tractors produced by MZKT and the products of the Volgograd Tractor Plant have two big differences. Moreover, neither BAZ nor the aforementioned Kurgan plant can in any way be considered as a serious alternative. There is simply no Kurgan plant, and BAZ has never been engaged in independent development of products of this kind. There are production facilities there ... Or rather, there were. But buying MZKT is not an option either. The implementation of the state defense order at the production facilities of the plant, although it is owned by Russia, but on the territory of another, albeit friendly country, is a dubious matter. And then - "Russia will buy MZKT"! Who is meant by Russia in this case? Prokhorov? Chubais? Vekselberg? This is a murky business.
  21. kmv.km
    kmv.km April 29 2016 20: 50
    -1
    PURCHASE OF MZKT BY RUSSIA - NOW REQUIRED for Russia and MUST BE PROVIDED Useful for Belarus !!!

    Why am I, Belarus, FOR IT? Because:
    1) We are Allies (and on the Global Essence) - One country;
    2) I am a realist in the economy (that is, there is a person who really feels the consequences of an increase or DECREASE (as of today) in the volume of cooperation with Russia) !!!

    According to paragraph 1)
    a) Russia, being the 2nd (out of two) Global Military Superpower (unfortunately not Economic), cannot and SHOULD NOT depend on the political situation in any of the countries (even Allied) in matters of Strategic Nuclear Security, including issues of Transport for mobile Existing and Developed Nuclear Systems and Air Defense Systems. That is, Ownership of the chassis data - a fundamental question! I understand and support!
    b) But if we are allies, then it is worth paying, in my opinion, the REAL PRICE for this enterprise.
    Of course, Russia will be able, sooner or later (more likely later), to create its own production, but at WHAT PRICE? After all, even a "teapot" understands that it is MORE EXPENSIVE to develop "from scratch" and achieve acceptable results than to BUY a conditionally effective enterprise and invest in its development!

    According to paragraph 2)
    a) Considering HOW Daddy FOOD (and he is a very economically-politically-flexible Guy for Russia) in matters of PRICE for the Enterprise (and believe me, I don’t "like" Daddy and GDP in matters of economy, civil society and authorities, although I respect some of their actions in matters of Defense and Security),
    YOUR "Effective Managers", in my opinion, "went too far".
    b) I may be wrong, but point 2) a) is not only a study of information from Net, but also my modest observations about the course of the results of negotiations and agreements between the director of my enterprise and the "Russian managers" regarding Orders ... Your "kids" are able to bring down the price so much that you can survive only at the expense of "volumes", and the quality is required "all-Russian", but the price is even lower than the Belarusian prices ...
    c) I understand that Russia's refusal to purchase MZKT machines will lead to the collapse of the enterprise! Is it necessary?
  22. mr.fafes
    mr.fafes April 29 2016 20: 56
    +5
    Lukashenko is not a far-sighted person,
    He refused the merger of Kamaz with Maz, while he said that Russia will not go anywhere and will be forced to buy maz anyway, saying that it will not be able to build such tractors,
    and when KAMAZ presented its ROC Platform-O tractors to a friend, he saw that he was wrong and gave a full back, they say, I’m not against the merger, although I immediately wanted to Russian subsoil, say, give him an oil field for oil.

    Do we need Maz now ???
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek April 29 2016 21: 41
      +1
      Yes, dad plans "in fact" ..
  23. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 April 29 2016 21: 02
    +6
    A lot on IN articles began to appear regarding Russian-Belarusian relations. And immediately the polarity of the opinions of different users is manifested. This is a signal that a certain pressure is growing both on the one and the other hand, aimed at a stronger separation of Russia and Belarus.
    The problems are clearly visible both in Russia and in Belarus. And for some reason, the emphasis is on problems. Himself is guilty of this. But, something tells you that it is not without reason. If a deeper dividing line passes between Russia and Belarus, which, by the way, has already been outlined, neither Russia nor Belarus will become better. Maybe you should think about these issues?
    1. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy April 29 2016 21: 28
      +6
      You need to live within your means. Belarus took loans and built ice palaces in regional centers, nat. the library, the palace of the republic ... the fact that the fences along the roads are painted is not an economic indicator. Now the authorities are looking for options where to get the money. The export situation is bad (the "Belarusian oysters" do not help either), they barely begged for new loans to service the state debt ... A proven way to withdraw money from its own population. What the authorities actually do. The population is dissatisfied. All sorts of funds with Western funding became more active, local nationalists began to revive ... Belarus and the Belarusian people survive. The outlook is negative. But they are trying to survive not together with Russia, but at its expense. Hence the problem. And Russia and the Russians also survive .. and understand that you need to rely only on yourself.

      The relationship between countries should be mutually beneficial. "You to me - I to you." And to be honest. Not that mine is mine, and yours is ours.
  24. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK April 29 2016 21: 05
    +1
    instead of the former factories they built shopping centers and now they’re breaking their brains about what factories the country needs.
  25. prior
    prior April 29 2016 21: 45
    +1
    If our leaders so defended the interests of the country and workers, like Lukashenko!
    And so in Russia, to be a worker is a shame in both status and salary. And Lukashenko, in an appeal for the New Year, first of all congratulates the workers and peasants, and only then all sorts of others. Therefore, he has both roads, tractors, tractors with mining trucks, and half of Russia watered with milk ... But our liberals are looking for all financial benefits from an alliance with Belarus, from the unification of Maz and Kamaz and other privatizations.
    We have security officials with defective managers in our honor. And who will create and feed? With such a government, with such an attitude towards the working people, Russia you are hopeless. Of course there will be, no one will get dirty in nuclear shit. But there is nothing to be proud of besides army iron. What education, what medicine, roads, ecology, village, rivers, garbage dumps ............ and so on to Kamchatka with its salmon and red caviar. If there are several million questions on the direct line to the president, what are the other officials and other members doing ..? And no hints of change in essence. It is not Belarus that needs to be condemned, but a country raised from backwardness, work to work, and we have blah blah blah .. However, what to expect from the leading and guiding party of United Russia (abbreviated as P-Ed-Rossy). Pedrosy they and pedrosy in Africa.
  26. Sergey333
    Sergey333 April 29 2016 22: 14
    +2
    Quote: prior
    If our leaders so defended the interests of the country and workers, like Lukashenko!
    And so in Russia, to be a worker is a shame in both status and salary.

    Oh really? Belarusians live better than Russian ??? Lukashenko is a tsar who revels in his power and doesn’t give a damn about what prevents Belarus from developing and introduces a split between the united nation of Russians and Belarusians. And the longer we are apart, the more we move away from each other. Lukashenko cannot allow people to unite together, then he will lose power.
  27. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat April 29 2016 22: 39
    +1
    There is such a saying in Russia - A man harnesses for a long time, but travels quickly ....
  28. Urri
    Urri April 29 2016 23: 16
    +13
    1 There is no second Shaposhnik and SKB-1 in Russia and will never be.
    2 Developments Kurgan plant provided SKB-1 since the time of Khrushchev. The transfer of CD from the MZKT ceased - the plant died.
    3 Platform O - on the electric drive. They will not bring it soon. SKB-1 climbed into this hole 25 years ago for the first time. The experience is negative, especially on meter fords.
    4 BAZ 7930 chassis does not replace in air defense from the word at all. Their ideology of building a frame is not what they need. Well, Diamond will drag a 500-ku on semi-trailers beyond the Typhoons. But other? They put Vityaz on the BAZ - they took 6 pencils less than they could.

    If Dvorkovich did not come to Minsk in the Burnus of the Bulgarian Tsar and did not dictate ultimatums from Vekselberg and K, in the style of:
    "- We are buying. Here is a ruble for you. Cut half of it. The whole social network nafig." - would have united long ago. Deripaska wanted to buy it honestly. As soon as a group of German Jews from KAMAZ learned about this, Dvorkovich was in Minsk the next day, and Medvedev called Lukashenko.
    And with MZKT the same story. Under the guise of "for the Motherland, for Russia!" quite specific piles are hiding, which have the name and guarantees of Western banks, even in conditions of total sanctions. After such a purchase, in a month MZKT will be the same as with the Kurgan plant. The first thing that the Americans demanded in their time from Shushkevich was to multiply the MZKT by zero. Didn't have time, cattle
    1. skeptic
      skeptic April 29 2016 23: 31
      +2
      And why ,
      I ask naively
      whatever
      government, then butler and dimon s?
      Maybe that's why we are trying
      ministers "look for the bottom."
      While the people are dying out.
      I'm not talking about "industry"
      who understands - cries, from "successes".
    2. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy April 30 2016 05: 01
      0
      In Urri's comment, it all boils down to the fact that Russia does not have enough intelligence (Lukashenko believes that there is still not enough money) to create his own chassis. Belarusians, if you are so smart, why are you so poor? They are only occupied with constantly asking for loans and demanding some kind of preferences for themselves from the same Russia.

      To successfully pursue a career in Belarus (without any connections) you need to be stupid and executive. In the State, where one person tries to rake everything for himself in order to reign supreme, smart and proactive are not needed and dangerous. WHAT ARE THE PERSPECTIVES OF THIS STATE? It is already at an impasse. I am afraid that the MZKT will end up in the same place with the State.

      In Russia, it is necessary to restore order and create an effective and fair State. Then the neighbors will reach Russia. So far it turns out badly (garbage along the roads and there is no way to remove it). Something is being created, but at what cost ... Looking at the financial and economic bloc of the Government (at the same Dvorkovich), one can only be sad and hope for a miracle.

      Somehow everything is not good everywhere, given that the West has launched a war against us. And Belarus has two options for getting out of the situation: either get out with Russia, or go to the West (like neighboring Ukraine). Belarus is familiar with the attitude towards itself from the "civilized West" (1941-1944). Illusions are harmful.
  29. ibirus
    ibirus April 30 2016 01: 14
    +1
    We need to develop our factories, our production, because it is not known how the map will fall in Belarus after the departure of Lukashenko (Ukraine 2?).
  30. Borus017
    Borus017 April 30 2016 02: 18
    +3
    Didn't like the article? Have you minded? AND WHY? It is quite intelligently stated. This is a business, nothing personal. Successful Russia snapped its own production with its beak - now backward Belarus dictates the terms of cooperation. It is called - effective management. Well, our people are getting richer without factories - just unmeasured. Trading in every way is more profitable for GDP (gross domestic product if cho).
    Like to feel like winners? Yes! Our grandfathers had the right to this feeling - and right it was given to them by Magnitogorsk, DneproGES and other BUILDING PLANTS OF THE STALIN FIVE. Do we have the right to this feeling of victory?
    1. Mikado
      Mikado April 30 2016 03: 17
      +2
      Quote: Borus017

      Like to feel like winners? Yes! Our grandfathers had the right to this feeling - and right it was given to them by Magnitogorsk, DneproGES and other BUILDING PLANTS OF THE STALIN FIVE. Do we have the right to this feeling of victory?

      Speak correctly. But only then was the psychology of people different. And the ideology was different, and they brought up in a different way. And now we have "effective managers" and a consumption ideology. And the attitude of the state towards people is sometimes different.
      I also caught myself thinking that we take cars on credit, all sorts of conveniences, a TV, the Internet, a hundred kinds of sausages .. but have we become happier? ..
  31. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 30 2016 06: 28
    0
    All these articles of homegrown analysts and verbal skirmishes on VO are a wonderful thing for the development of brain activity. That's just a mystery, in our country someone is responsible for something in the government, for the preservation of strategic plants, for the preservation of design bureaus, for roads, for the production of machine tools for mechanical engineering, and much more. So far we have not left the soviet method of leadership, you will listen to our DAM, your ears will fade - to strengthen, you need to do it, you need it, you need it. Some show off in front of the cameras. And it is necessary so, Vasya you are responsible for such a plant, payment is such and such. There will be problems at the plant or God forbid it goes bankrupt, you will have problems for at least ten years beyond the Arctic Circle, and with complete confiscation, or even paint our forehead green. By the way, it also refers to the prime minister, but in my opinion then something will change.
  32. Mentor
    Mentor April 30 2016 07: 42
    +4
    Quote: Lex.
    Wasiliy1985 RU  Today, 20:05 ↑ New


    The Israeli said ..
    Why don't you live in peace in the "promised land"?
    Dumped "from Rashka" and that's all - what are you worried about?
    I’ve never been to Raska so that I’ll get the hell out of her

    I put you minus only for the contemptuous name of Russia. Be so kind as to comment in the Russian language, to use not the tracing paper from English but the Russian name.
    PS As for the article, I deeply doubt the possibility of privatization of MZKT by the Russian business, primarily because of the "effective" management in Russia. Having ruined their own factories, are they now approaching Belarusian ones?
  33. Wolverine
    Wolverine April 30 2016 12: 37
    +3
    And to build a weakly new plant already taking into account new requirements and provide their citizens with work? When will we think about the people and the future of our children?
  34. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 30 2016 16: 02
    +3
    Why do we need a strategic plant in a foreign land?
    When at any moment they can simply block the border and
    cut off the plant from supply. Work and buy MZKT products
    it is possible and necessary. But at the same time raise their production.
    Even at the level of KB + experimental plant.
  35. Viktr458
    Viktr458 1 May 2016 05: 34
    +5
    They have good cars. And the unification of the wheeled chassis carried out in the troops does not solve all the problems
  36. DPN
    DPN 12 March 2017 08: 38
    0
    Lukashenko is the only president in the post-Soviet space who thinks with his head, not his ass, managed to keep the state located in the enclave. For the collapse of the USSR awarded the minimum pension of the former president of Belarus.
    Ours, in gratitude for the accomplished deeds, built a friend center, that is, Gorbachev in the prison, made a millionaire. so to hell with our auto industry.
  37. BVS
    BVS 23 July 2017 12: 02
    0
    Quote: horoh
    An interesting picture turns out, in my native Kurgan they killed the KZKT in order to redeem the MZKT, so what ??? Finish damn .....

    It has already been written many times that these plants have different types of products. KZKT = medium-duty tractors (tactical unit), MZKT = high-capacity tractors (strategic unit. Simply put - up to 40 tons and over 40 tons.
  38. Topol M
    Topol M 29 October 2018 21: 56
    0
    And who prevented you from shutting down your tractor tractors, Lukashenko? Or did you do it yourself? I was at your BAZ back in 1984, when the MZKT547 for the Pioneers was being finalized, then there was sheer devastation, except for the plant management and the canteen. So you do not have to moan that RB sucks you , they’ve all fired themselves. And now you have what you have.