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  1. Dam
    Dam April 28 2016 12: 38
    +36
    It’s hard to create a new car, but still it’s going. Good luck to our designers and pilots
    1. Snake AAA
      Snake AAA April 28 2016 12: 41
      +19
      Well, Moscow wasn’t built right away, and a good plane is also not easy, the most important process is underway and the Americans have already wiped their nose with their EF 35 expensive and stupid !!! Most importantly, we are in the process of creating and updating equipment !!!!
      1. Tibidokh
        Tibidokh April 28 2016 14: 22
        +29
        Quote: Serpent AAA
        already Americans lost their nose with their EF 35 expensive and stupid

        I think your statement is untrue. And also unfair to our T-50. You would have compared him with Grippen.
        First, drawing an analogy with your statement, we can safely say that our combat training Yak did the B-52. Let me explain, an airplane with a vertical / short take-off cannot be better or worse than a heavy fighter. In general, the Americans created a plane with a concept completely different from the concept of PAK FA / FGFA. Our approach is a harmonious combination of stealth, aerodynamic characteristics and ... the cost of a fighter. This is due to the fact that during development and production we are limited in resources. The Americans, however, emphasized invisibility and versatility.
        Secondly, the Americans created not one, but three different aircraft.
        Thirdly, in our open spaces, in the conditions of a reduction in the number of airfields after the criminal collapse of the USSR, we had to throw all our efforts into creating a heavy MFI. The Americans, however, had the opportunity to create a heavy F-22 and a "light" single-engine F-35.

        Besides, you shouldn't think that the Americans will not bring their F-35 "to mind." They, like us, have vast experience and true traditions in the creation of aviation. I am more inclined to doubt the imminent success of the Chinese with their J-20, but even then, in the near future. That we are, that the mattresses, that the Chinese are all stubborn guys. All projects will sooner or later be completed.

        To summarize what I said, I consider it inappropriate to compare the Su-35 and F-35, Su-35 and F-22, T-50 and F-35.
        The fact that the T-50 will ultimately be more effective than the F-22, I have no doubt. However, we cannot but rejoice at the fact that in conditions significantly worse than the Americans, ours manage to compete with the latter on equal terms.
        With respect. hi
        1. vv3
          vv3 April 29 2016 02: 33
          +1
          Very convincing, technically sound conclusions ... You should write respected fairy tales and tell grandmothers. What nonsense in the technique section, and assessments in the same vein ...
          1. Tibidokh
            Tibidokh April 29 2016 03: 54
            +1
            Quote: vv3
            You would have to write fairy tales dear and tell grandmothers

            They made a good shit. Not a single argument was refuted. Well, now let's see what "nonsense" you have posted below.
            PySy Plus from me. On the eve of a great Orthodox holiday.
            1. vv3
              vv3 April 29 2016 04: 46
              +3
              The last three lines, well, just nowhere ...
              1. Tibidokh
                Tibidokh April 29 2016 06: 01
                0
                Quote: vv3
                The last three lines, well, just nowhere ...

                Chew you the point? I took pity on you. I repeat, I feel sorry for you.
                And plus you will correct, since you are so against. request
        2. swetlana1
          swetlana1 April 30 2016 07: 34
          +9
          Of course, sound thoughts, but I will provoke you: in air battles, where will we look for the Referee to spread to different arenas ?? ))))
          It seems to me that everything can be compared - if these weapon systems are (or are getting ready to stand) in service, belong to the same class and can meet in battle. And here is the concession that the United States did a universal plane and therefore let us be the first to launch a rocket or give a second attempt - ridiculously. Perhaps an erroneous decision has been made, in this case, their state will pay for this decision (and those states that the USA will strain))) and the flight personnel - to me personally (and many others) it is all the same.

          As for the F-35 - of course, the project will be completed, there is so much material resources "thrown in" - they simply cannot do otherwise ... All future profits are divided - it is impossible to take away these profits. But if it was possible they would have strangled this project in a quiet way. Otherwise, the project of the 6th generation aircraft with a general appearance that differs from the appearance of both the F-22 and the F-35 would not have been considered. Development of the F-35 began 6 ... 7 years before the development of the T-50.

          F-22 - (about 187 units) is also a controversial aircraft. The project was conceived as an airplane for conquering air supremacy from aircraft of the Su-27 type. It turns out that for some time the Americans themselves compared these two different types of aircraft. Yes, and the few F-22 exercises with Su-type aircraft are interpreted by different sides in very different ways - comparing different types. Personally, I think: this aircraft is not entirely successful for our time (for the late 90s-early 2000s it is normal, but now it is not very good) - otherwise the Americans would not have stopped its production (I know that it is very expensive and it was one from the well-known reasons for its withdrawal from production and there was supposedly a "warming" in relations ... Only the Americans considered the scenario of a nuclear strike against our country back in 2004. Including the combat actions of the opposing aviation). At the same time, they not only stopped production, but disassembled the technological equipment and disposed of it. To a knowledgeable person, this will tell that the reproduction of this technology is difficult to implement, and taking into account the obsolescence of this aircraft, it is unrealizable.

          T-50. In 2010, the figure was announced that the Air Force would like to have up to 600 of these aircraft. In 2014, they talked about 300 (and 600, taking into account deliveries to other countries) - expensive and a lot of their problems (if we consider this figure, the T-50 part must withstand the F-35 part in case of military operations between our countries)))) The project was funded fairly poorly (note that this is the first aircraft including and the glider developed by the Russian designers of our generation with you. The first project always happens with errors - it’s very difficult to fix it with scarce funds. It should be noted that For the first time, T-50 aircraft (and Su-35, which was developed at Sukhoi’s own funds) were allowed to use foreign components! Sanctions and hit these aircraft, including One of the reasons for the lack of a modern information system (forum users spoke about it) is its alteration (not yet fully completed, unfortunately) ... Problems are also with the glider ... But the plane is taught to fly and, of course, they will be created. Anything that is created later is often better than the created wound e (a little or a lot - it happens differently). But the fact that this aircraft will be no worse or even better than both American ones is yes. And if the motherland says - to create a 6 ++ aircraft - they will create it from domestic materials and in time faster than the Americans)))))))
          1. Tibidokh
            Tibidokh April 30 2016 12: 02
            +7
            Quote: swetlana1
            Where will we look for the Referee to spread to different arenas ?? ))))

            And how much do they pay? wink
            Quote: swetlana1
            At the same time, they did not just stop production, but dismantled the technological equipment and disposed of it.

            You are mistaken. In Georgia and in related enterprises involved in the F-22, they now produce the F-35. Personnel and production base saved. Release may resume within six months.
            Quote: swetlana1
            And if the motherland says - to create a 6 ++ aircraft - they will create it from domestic materials and in time faster than the Americans

            "Bourgeois,
            marvel
            the communist coast -
            at work,
            in an airplane
            in the wagon
            your
            swift
            famous america
            we
            and catch up
            and overtake. ”
            Quote: swetlana1
            )))))))

            With respect! love
            1. swetlana1
              swetlana1 April 30 2016 14: 47
              +8
              Thanks for flowers))) smile

              [quote = Tibidoch] [quote = swetlana1]
              You are mistaken. In Georgia and in related enterprises involved in the F-22, they now produce the F-35. Personnel and production base saved. Release may resume within six months.


              The media wrote that during the decision to stop production of the F-22, the manufacturer warned that he would have to disassemble the technological equipment (slipways, dies, plazas, stands, etc.) to free up space or pay for their maintenance. This was refused to them and then there was a message that it was disposed of. I tend to believe this, because F-22 and F-35 are not identical in terms of airframe, equipment and so on.
              But - thank you for these comments))) I was surprised to read that
              The US Congress thought about the resuscitation of the production of the F-22 "Raptor" (from 21.04.2016)
              Best regards smile
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      2. vv3
        vv3 April 29 2016 03: 33
        +3
        Sir, serpent! Nobody was wiping anything. I would like to remind you that the 5th generation plane is not just a plane with contrived 5th properties, but first of all it is a key link in the modern information system, the computer heart of the combat information and computing system that allows you to conduct a modern the war. From this point of view, it is not surprising that the American F-22 and F-35 are intended primarily for conducting long-range, in extreme cases, medium air combat. They have great computing capabilities that allow reconnaissance, target designation, and real-time information exchange. In this case, the enemy should not detect these aircraft in the process of performing all these functions ... In addition to the advantage in close air combat due to the super maneuverability of the T-50 nothing else. For the other components, information is not in the open press ... Moreover, we have an integrated information system under construction and in this regard we are significantly behind the Americans ... One of the reasons for the lag is the objective level of computer technology, the second is subjective: this it’s simply not paid attention. This topic is not discussed, it is hushed up, many simply don’t understand what it is. So, there is an abyss of work ... It’s much easier to engage in hatred and urapatriotism ... and shout that everything is better with us and we everyone got ahead.
        1. Tibidokh
          Tibidokh April 29 2016 05: 57
          +3
          Quote: vv3
          The 5th generation plane is not just a plane with contrived 5th properties

          It is not clear that about 5 properties this is sarcasm or do you really think that all countries have the same requirements for the 5th generation. Please note that the Americans when developing the F-22 had some requirements, and when developing the F-35, they were different.
          Quote: vv3
          but first of all it is a key link in the modern information system. From this point of view, it is not surprising that the American F-22 and F-35 are intended primarily for conducting long-range, in extreme cases, medium air combat.

          This statement would be relevant if stealth was "monopolized" by the Americans. In the event of a collision of two inconspicuous fighters, long-range combat is out of the question.
          At the expense of the "average" battle. What do you think, at what distance the "let it and forget it" principle can be realized in a collision of 5 generations? Let me remind you that the capture of RGSN targets with EPR 1 sq. m. passes at a distance of about 10-15 km.
          Even the Americans do not deny that in the event of a collision with a strong enemy using electronic warfare Aircraft AWACS, the vast majority of battles will begin at medium and end at close range. That is why they came to the conclusion that the 120D AMRAAM changer should be with an IR seeker.
          Quote: vv3
          In this case, the enemy should not detect these aircraft in the process of performing all these functions

          And if it does find out, the State Department will declare the "extremely unprofessional" actions of the enemy. lol But in fact, it is difficult to imagine that enemy planes for air combat will choose exclusively space without a continuous radar coverage from the ground. Terrestrial RSL, AWACS aircraft, OLS aircraft ... and voila! In practice, getting out of an attack before an adversary is not so easy.
          Quote: vv3
          In addition to the advantages in close air combat due to super maneuverability, the T-50 has nothing more.

          Come on?!
          1. Value for money. More economical production.
          2. Initially, the best job opportunities on the ground - the American does not have OLS, he relies only on GPS.
          3. HARM does not fit into the internal compartment of the F-22 when a similar X-58USHKE with a range of 250 km. already at the stage of completion of tests on the T-50.
          4. The big declared range is 4000 against 3200 for an American.
          Quote: vv3
          and shout that we are getting better and we are ahead of everyone.

          Fair enough. But you too are going to extremes. They say we have everything for 7 years, but the Americans have a "level".
          1. vv3
            vv3 April 29 2016 11: 01
            +2
            Your reasoning deserves attention. But I should not attribute too much to me. I do not hate my plane and do not assert about the global "level" of enemies. In the end, we have a common goal, and for this we conduct a conversation and exchange opinions. My harsh conclusions concern the computing capabilities of our aircraft and information support in general. For some reason, these issues are constantly hushed up and dropped out of discussion.
      3. vv3
        vv3 April 29 2016 04: 32
        +1
        In terms of what I said (below), I have to make two very unpleasant conclusions. First: the Americans had some reason not to attribute the T-50 to the 5th generation aircraft, because it is not an element of the modern information system - we are only creating it. Second: in the coming years, the T-50 will not be mass-produced. First you need to create this unified information system. This is the first priority. Then integrate the T-50 into this system, only if there is a single information field can a 5th generation aircraft exist. Without this field, it will be completely replaced by the SU-35, which is significantly cheaper, and there are simply very few of them ...
        1. swetlana1
          swetlana1 April 30 2016 17: 48
          +8
          In something you are right, in something not. Su-35 without debugging the system launched into series. And their systems should have been almost the same. And the T-50 will go too. There are reasons for this ..
    2. poquello
      poquello April 28 2016 12: 42
      +22
      Quote: Damm
      It’s hard to create a new car, but still it’s going. Good luck to our designers and pilots

      not hard, but scrupulous, everything is verified, checked
      1. jjj
        jjj April 28 2016 12: 47
        +6
        As they say, do not rush, but hurry
        1. Michael67
          Michael67 April 28 2016 12: 58
          +4
          I wish only one tester - an equal number of take-offs and landings.
          Success and good luck, of course, too.
        2. Alexanast
          Alexanast April 28 2016 13: 25
          +10
          Yeah, and they also say: "Do not rush, otherwise you will have time"
          1. poquello
            poquello April 28 2016 14: 33
            0
            Quote: Alexanast
            Yeah, and they also say: "Do not rush, otherwise you will have time"

            this is from another opera, "the soldier is asleep - the service is in progress", "the work is not a wolf - it will not run away to the forest", "you are for money, and we are for a salary"
        3. Dimontius
          Dimontius April 28 2016 13: 26
          +3
          Photo shine! The rear view is just awesome! "It is important to go into the sunset"
    3. VP
      VP April 28 2016 12: 57
      +1
      Yes, I would not say that it’s hard. In 2005, funding was opened, mass production should begin this year, the next time they will receive troops, moreover in a ready state and not in some other intermediate stage that the Americans invented specially for their 35th.
      In my opinion, just more or less, plus / minus everything went according to plan.
      1. RuSFr
        RuSFr 3 May 2016 08: 51
        +1
        They wrote that they postponed for a year - a partial alteration of the glider is expected. By the fact that the gearbox of Almaty was completed a year, then the glider will also be completed and will experience a lot of time. most likely the series will go to 2018
    4. vkl.47
      vkl.47 April 28 2016 13: 05
      +1
      in Zhukovsky TsAGI they’re making a new engine for him. Not the one that costs them now. And 2 generations, so to speak. More powerful and economical.
    5. bogdan4ik
      bogdan4ik April 28 2016 14: 58
      +1
      The creation of the machine is brisk, dynamic pace. And if you compare the costs of Russia and the United States, it is also extremely cheap.
    6. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 April 28 2016 16: 32
      0
      Everything new is born hard .... I think it should be so. But it turns out really a real 5th generation airplane ... with all the ensuing capabilities, and not such as an unfinished F-35
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 28 2016 12: 39
    +3
    Great news! good Like oil to the soul! love Merikatosa - say hello to your Fu-35! laughing
    1. Leto
      Leto April 28 2016 13: 31
      +9
      Quote: aszzz888
      hello to your Fu-35 pass!

      Likely to be transmitted, you just explain which of the 161 F-35s you need to convey greetings from the sixth T-50? Is everyone 161? The six that were released in the first quarter of 2016? Or the very last?
      1. 0255
        0255 April 28 2016 14: 08
        +1
        Quote: Leto
        Quote: aszzz888
        hello to your Fu-35 pass!

        Likely to be transmitted, you just explain which of the 161 F-35s you need to convey greetings from the sixth T-50? Is everyone 161? The six that were released in the first quarter of 2016? Or the very last?

        With the F-35, not everything is so simple (s), according to the plan, there should be at least 1000 pieces. wink
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 28 2016 21: 10
          +1
          CF 35 is already all clear - it’s in the series, it flies, it launches rockets - they even solved the problems with BERO - they installed a new firmware - According to Lockheed Martin, at the moment it has already delivered to customers a total of 166 serial F-35s, including 96 units F-35A version, 48 units F-35B and 22 units. F-35C. Of these aircraft 12 units. were transferred to foreign buyers: Australia (two F-35A), Italy (two F-35A, built in Cameri), the Netherlands (two F-35A), Norway (two F-35A) and the UK (four F-35B). There are 121 aircraft under construction, including the 88 F-35A, 26 F-35B and 7 F-35C.
      2. Berber
        Berber April 28 2016 14: 58
        +3
        And yet I would not want to go into battle. Let diplomats and the government fight better.
    2. godofwar6699
      godofwar6699 April 28 2016 23: 11
      +4


      hi hi .
  3. DrVintorez
    DrVintorez April 28 2016 12: 42
    +4
    Fly to evil enemies, enemies and other liberals! Protect our sky! I would very much like, of course, that this was not the sixth, but the sixtieth t50. Let's hope this happens.
  4. magician
    magician April 28 2016 12: 42
    +3
    everything new in technology is going hard. There are brains, money is allocated, they can handle it.)))
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 28 2016 12: 43
    +3
    Going quietly - the master’s business is afraid. Sorry for the combination of two proverbs, but the authorship belongs to Fomenko.
    1. ver_
      ver_ April 28 2016 14: 43
      +2
      ... I doubt that Fomenko .., even in the girls was when they said so ..
  6. demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig April 28 2016 12: 45
    +2
    The news is positive, the more they will fly the better! Faster to wait for the engine! Another engine will not hurt us!
  7. Altona
    Altona April 28 2016 12: 52
    +1
    Good bird, beautiful. The process is ongoing, we are waiting for replenishment in the pack and positive results for all tests, not only flight, but also weapons.
  8. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P April 28 2016 12: 53
    +2
    Higher and higher and higher !!! completed before the squadron and in red on May 9 fellow
  9. Abbra
    Abbra April 28 2016 12: 57
    +2
    It's a shame, although it is correct, that we practically do not know anything about him ... One feels that it will be something of the "super" category ...
  10. krops777
    krops777 April 28 2016 13: 00
    +2
    Photo of the plane at sunset is beautiful and formidable.
  11. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 April 28 2016 13: 21
    +1
    I did not know about the fire upset. But the good news always brings positive, good luck sixth in a row.
    1. Ardein
      Ardein April 28 2016 16: 48
      0
      a fire occurred during a test flight - the pilot was able to land the plane normally.
  12. Ogogoshka
    Ogogoshka April 28 2016 13: 25
    +2
    I hope in the final version the nozzle will be all vector and polymorphic.
    1. Tibidokh
      Tibidokh April 28 2016 14: 29
      +2
      Quote: Ogogoshka
      everything is vectorial and polymorphic.

      Well, "everything is vector", it seems to me you mean UHT, not OVT (as in the F-22).
      And what is "polymorphic"? Optionally flat, optionally round ?! request
      Explain, I will find out once. hi
  13. Odysseus
    Odysseus April 28 2016 13: 26
    +3
    Well, that's great. Our Stealth is in the air!
    There is, of course, a delay in terms, but this is all the little things. Next year we are waiting for the first pre-production and the start of testing the engine of the second stage!
  14. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 28 2016 14: 23
    +6
    Technology is technology, take an interest in how the Su-7 and its modifications were created, and in the course of the Su-17, more than 10 test pilots died. Not everything is as simple as writing a comment.
  15. ver_
    ver_ April 28 2016 14: 52
    0
    Quote: jjj
    As they say, do not rush, but hurry


    .. hurry slower ..- haven't you heard?
  16. Skubudu
    Skubudu April 28 2016 16: 58
    +2
    Beginning with this machine, should changes be made to the glider or from another? And what should change?
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  18. RuSFr
    RuSFr 3 May 2016 08: 49
    +1
    Interesting: on this machine, the skin has already been strengthened?
  19. Cherdak
    Cherdak 25 May 2016 11: 50
    +1
    Quote: Snake AAA
    The most important thing is that the process is going on ..!


    modified glider
    covered with a full set of RPM and topcoat
    engine hoods closed with composite covers with RPM