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Odessa in anticipation of the May anniversary

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Odessa in anticipation of the May anniversary



Yes, around Odessa began to move. Various statements and “vangovaniya” on the topic of what will happen in Odessa in the near future appear in various media.

After reading the opinions and talking to several residents of this city, plus reading a rather extensive message that I personally sent, I made the following conclusions, which I later confirmed.

But it is worth starting with the situation in Odessa itself.

I will begin, probably, with the fact that I am quite confident in declaring that Odessa remains the very Odessa. And Odessans have not changed in the past two years. Material life has become worse, but this is understandable, after all, not a free city, but part of Ukraine.

Morally ... Morally more difficult. Those who were the instigators of the tragedy, which began on the Kulikovo Field and ended in the House of Trade Unions, are working quite calmly in the city administration. Who killed and maimed people, joined the ranks of the Odessa police. And the most rabid with open arms accepted into the ranks of the National Guard.

And the leadership of the city and region, with extraordinary ease adapting to the new owners. Familiar. History repeats.

Occupation again.

However, residents of Odessa live. And the flowers at the House of Trade Unions and on the Kulikovo Field appear as regularly as the people coming there. Not once a year. Remember. And the action of memory passes weekly.

And shortly before the sad date of 2 May materials began to appear, the content of which can and should be evaluated very, very carefully.

They talk about a possible repetition in Odessa of events comparable to those that occurred in May 2014 of the year. About upcoming actions by radicals, the Nazis and other evil spirits. About the frank support of the Black Hundreds by people at different levels of government, from Odessa to Kiev.

It would, of course, be strange if such statements did not arise.

Many writers say that the situation in Odessa is tense. But it is not Odessa citizens who are heating it up, even if they are dissatisfied with the fall in the standard of living, the rampant Nazis, the strange reforms of Saakashvili with the redistribution of property. The situation is aggravated by quite different forces. Odessans just silent.

In one of the articles on the situation in Odessa, I saw the following list:

"Many are interested in the next pogrom:

- The Security Service and the Interior Ministry want to report on the defeat of the pro-Russian underground and Putin’s agents,

- Saakashvili's gang wants to divert the attention of residents from reprivatization,

- battalions (primarily “Azov”) are interested in creating an information picture of at least some “victory” against the background of useless two-year treading around Shirokino,

- VSU will be able to use the Odessa events to capture the next gray zone or pull up to the front line of prohibited systems weapons,

- National-patriots in the Rada hope to push through the bills they have been carrying out for a long time and achieve a rupture of diplomatic relations with Russia, which Paruby dreams of. "


Please read these points carefully. And think how serious is what is voiced in them.

I deliberately did not voice the author of this list, I will only note that more and more such nonsense appears on the Internet. The whole question is as old as the world: who benefits?

If someone is pumping outright hysteria around possible 2 events in May, then there are reasons for that. The chain can be traced easily: several articles with hysterical content on the topic “dark forces are going to disperse the May 2 rally in Odessa” - and this is the result.

Saakashvili is demanding the introduction of additional forces of the National Guard under the city, the police-police are switching to an enhanced regime, the Nazis of all stripes and ranks are preparing for a trip to Odessa, even squalid Navy conducts anti-terrorism exercises. Oh, where, God forgive me, psevdomoryakov suffered, generally amazed. But suffered. The Nazis are training too.

Everyone is preparing for 2 May.

Against this background, Andrey Uvarov writes the following:

"Odessans are heatedly discussing their actions on 2 and 9 in May. A significant part of the citizens propose to defend the right to keep the memory of the victims of the Bandera executions, others call on the masses to take Victory Day to the streets."

This is the work of outspoken provocateurs. In fact, as I was explained, no one, except the provocateurs, "hot" does not argue. They have such a job. Indeed, what a bummer could happen if the National Guard, Natsik, Pravosek be driven off, and there will be no masses on the streets? Why then fuss?

By the way, the right to keep the memory of the victims of 2 in May so far no one has selected. People come to the house all the time. And go out to the streets en masse, in order to arrange a rally, to which all of the above will come with great pleasure ...

As one Odessa citizen told me in a conversation, “we have already been taken out once. Putting our way to our happiness twice with our corpses will not work”.

And one more quote. From the same Uvarova.

"The real balance of power between the fascists and the anti-fascists in Odessa is approximately equal, but on the side of the former, power.

In discussions about how to stop a provocation being prepared, some hope to attract as many as possible Western politicians, public figures, and journalists to the city in May days; they note that Western human rights activists have become more attentive to the “Ukrainian theme”, including its Odessa segment, that the European Court of Human Rights is already demanding to release from Odessa the journalist Elena Glishchinskaya, arrested on charges of separatism and high treason. American human rights defenders - representatives of the United National Anti-War Coalition (UNAC) are preparing to come to Odessa. However, there are quite a few skeptics in the city who say in response to these expectations that only the activity on the Donbass-Ukrainian front can prevent the transfer of additional military-police forces to Odessa and prevent provocations.


Here is this gentleman himself and showed in all its glory. Indeed, a large number of armed people who openly hate those who would go to rallies will be brought to Odessa. And with frank pleasure, these forces would repeat the 2 of May again.

And the fact that among the people would be those who waved the Russian tricolor and shouted something like "Putin, come, put things in order," my interlocutors have no doubts at all.

This is what is called a provocation, and not the introduction of additional forces, when such Uvarovs go crazy on numerous sites. And create an extra reason for the introduction of the National Guard under and other security guards.

It turns out how simple it is: to attract Western representatives of some organizations, journalists, public activists. And more. So that everyone could witness how the pro-Russian separatists will first arrange a provocation, then the security forces provoked by them will begin to disperse the rally, and then ...

You already know what happened next. Two years ago. And what were the consequences. And how the crime was investigated in this country. Do not forget? So in Odessa, they did not forget.

And now, two years later, the same Judas who set up people under organized and, most importantly, armed Nazis, are calling for people to go to the rally to stop the provocation being prepared. Yes, and attract more people from the side. Perfectly.

Exactly what the Nazis dream of.

Well, the best cure for provocation is to launch the offensive by the LDNR armies in general. This is what will prevent the transfer of police forces to Odessa. They will go to reflect this offensive. And to hell with Minsk, god with them, with losses. The main thing is to break the provocation. Provocation same.

Provocative delirium and meanness. Badly disguised.

It is good that in Odessa this is also well understood. And I will do, I hope, as I was told.

It is planned to simply share memory. People will come to the House and on the field. Bring flowers, candles, lamps. Once again, those who stayed there forever will be remembered. And just leave. And no one will hold rallies and yell from the podium.

Not those times. An occupation. Fascist.

And for every unarmed crowd there is another crowd in Ukraine today. Armed. And Odessa residents understand this. And if someone who reads will be outraged by this point of view, I will give him one good advice: remember the killed policemen in Mariupol. Remember, do not be lazy. They had a weapon.

Judging from a sofa in Russia is very easy. There is hard and difficult.

Actually, I would like to add the opinion of one from Odessa. A person who knows the situation better than me. Check out And do not fall for the fiery speeches of the dubious content of all kinds of uvarovs, Zelensky, dzygovrodskih and others. They are also easy to write.

Living in occupation and being human is much more difficult.

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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 28 2016 06: 14
    +6
    So like Mishiko is ready. The National Guard, the police pulled up. Ready for the holiday! The plane would be prepared, you never know what.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt April 28 2016 08: 49
      +5
      From the author’s message we can conclude that in Odessa there is no sane patriotic organization. The same can be seen from the video in which the young man broadcasts without a clear ideology at the everyday level. The slogan is traced - no actions with a political or anti-government color. Slowly bring flowers and quickly disappear. All loudly outraged or with the Russian flag considered provocateurs and take to the police belay Odessans are part of the Russian world and will wait until he comes there himself.
      But what if the "fight" has already been planned by the authorities and it will not be? Although the official Kuev, and the same Saakashvili, just does not need this. There are some "misunderstandings" here. To prevent carnage and maintain order on May 2 and 9, it was logical to form, at least temporary, popular squads together with the local police. Or is everything so bad in Odessa?
      1. revnagan
        revnagan April 28 2016 10: 03
        +8
        Quote: siberalt
        it was logical to form, at least temporary, national teams

        This is logical from your point of view, a person from Russia. And from the point of view of the Galician rulers of Kiev, this is obvious separatism, which must be immediately suppressed with a warning shot in the stomach. Valtsman is not Yanukovych for you. The Valtsmanoids will kill without hesitation. And until then, until the anti-Banderites are able to oppose them with something "substantial" (and the SBU is keeping a watchful eye on this), no one will go to the slaughter.
      2. shark
        shark April 28 2016 13: 24
        +9
        This is not the time for mass actions, for high-profile rallies and mass performances. I would advise Odessa residents to remember the fallen in their circle. And do not go to Kulikovo field. The memory is no matter where the candle is placed. At the scene of events or at home, in front of the icon .... And there will be no unnecessary reason for provocations. The main task of the sane people of Ukraine and Odessa is to save themselves for the future.
      3. avt
        avt April 28 2016 14: 41
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        From the author’s message we can conclude that in Odessa there is no sane patriotic organization.

        Well, it hasn’t existed since standing on the Odessa Kulikovo field to the House of Trade Unions request They can of course argue-tse not Crimea with the RF Armed Forces and the Black Sea Fleet. However, as everyone forgets that Transnistria was still with an unclosed border back then, and from there it was within reach. From Odessa, everything turned out to be loose. request
        Quote: Oles
        . Correctly organize the underground, protests and burn tires, I'm sorry, we were not taught - for this to other comrades from the State Department.

        Download the good old "Scout and Partisan Satellite" of the Patriotic era.
      4. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty April 29 2016 09: 13
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        To prevent the massacre and maintain order, 2 and 9 in May, it was logical to form, at least temporary, people's squads together with the local police.


        Quote: siberalt
        The slogan is traced - no actions with a political or anti-government color.


        Now imagine that all this happens in the 1942 year. In Odessa, the invaders (Germans and Romanians). You those Odessa citizens (who lived then) would also condemn them? Would you give them the same advice? Type: garbage that they will shoot and burn you, the main thing you take to the streets!
    2. Kars
      Kars April 28 2016 10: 40
      +9
      300 fascists from Azov to Odessa have already arrived) and that’s it.
      1. avt
        avt April 28 2016 14: 49
        +3
        Quote: Kars
        300 fascists from Azov to Odessa have already arrived) and that’s it.

        So what? Katz .... uh-uh-kars offers to give up? wassat
        Quote: NyeMoNik70
        . Some of the instigators (such as ours) have remained not only in the city, but also feel great in Mother Russia (some even travel to Italy), someone is broadcasting how to be an anti-fascist

        Here with the "leaders" of the first spill, who brought people to the burning, one should ask ..... How from the bastards! Something out there in Odessa then, well, oh-oh-very much reminded the scenario that Dopa and Gepa turned out in Kharkov.
  2. Aleksander
    Aleksander April 28 2016 06: 20
    +18
    It is planned to simply share memory. People will come to the House and on the field. Bring flowers, candles, lamps. Once again, those who stayed there forever will be remembered. And just leave. And no one will hold rallies and yell from the podium.
    Not those times. An occupation. Fascist.

    A wonderful article and emphasis is placed correctly - there really is a Nazi occupation with all that it implies: repression and suppression of destruction) of those who disagree. Today, going out to the rally there is an opportunity to kill oneself, but there is no reason to do it. . Odessans fought in March-May 2014 r with the Nazis, but could not resist the whole state. And it is unfortunate that the promised release of troops did not take place. southern capital of Russia.
    A blessed memory to the inhabitants of Odessa who died in the war against the Nazis ...
    1. NyeMoNik70
      NyeMoNik70 April 28 2016 11: 53
      +8
      Thank you Aleksander for the support.
      Regarding the article:
      1. Weekly shares of memory do not occur, this is nonsense. Once a month. All according by authority. Sexots rule.
      2. Some of the instigators (such as ours) have remained not only in the city, but also feel fine in Mother Russia (some even travel to Italy), someone is broadcasting how to be an anti-fascist (in a row with his son). Others in the Crimea proudly hold the empire over their heads, and the Slavophiles are not childish + MMMemat, also necessary. Someone on the advice of Europe broadcasts about jurisprudence.
      What are the Black Hundreds here ?!
      3. Georgian Armenians (Sahak), by virtue of circumstances, is a person interested in stability. Somehow the base should, soon, maybe ... sometime. Therefore, hysteria, give a soldier for the holidays.
      4. "The real balance of forces between fascists and anti-fascists in Odessa is approximately equal ..." I don’t know how to comment on this, probably it is worth looking at the records of the demonstrations in 2014, the dispersal of cattle from Duke is indicative (number of participants).
      5. The question is not whether the "crowds" have weapons. All branches of government are an organic part of the Nazi state.
      The video is worth a look, the only thing you need to remember is that he is a former rapporteur, and to put it mildly, he will not be completely Odessa.
      And WE will leave on May 2 and 9.
  3. Putinets
    Putinets April 28 2016 06: 23
    +23
    I pray to God to live up to the day when Miho will chew on his sleeve or trouser leg (the ties are taken away) at the announcement of the verdict, and the oligophrenic shake the certificate and shout "the sick are not judged" Lord, let me live!
  4. parusnik
    parusnik April 28 2016 06: 32
    +11
    Living in occupation and staying human is much more difficult...This is true ... Being reasonable among the lunatics ... without being a nurse ..
  5. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher April 28 2016 06: 36
    +1
    "Many writers say that the situation in Odessa is tense. But it is not Odessans who are heating it up, albeit dissatisfied with the fall in living standards, the rampant Nazis, Saakashvili's strange reforms with the redistribution of property. Outwardly completely different forces are heating up the situation. Odessans are just silent."

    That's just it, and bad! That's shameful! As they say: And it would be necessary ...
    But I, not Odessa, and in the occupation, not me, I do not even beggar ...
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH April 28 2016 06: 48
      +3
      That's just it, and bad! That's shameful! As they say: And it would be necessary ...
      But I, not Odessa, and in the occupation, not me, I do not even beggar ...
      It’s not Odessa, that's why you are heroic, poking a finger at the keyboard ...
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher April 28 2016 07: 12
        +4
        And who is heroic? And then, you don’t know anything about me ... I’m just ashamed, but you ..? And you probably see ... Like all Odessa citizens.
        And, do not dare to point to my fingers and Claudia! I have the right to poke into it, being in warmth, comfort and abundance, I have earned. Without orders, without ceremonial marches, but peace, I deserve it.
        And you probably only have to.
        1. Putinets
          Putinets April 28 2016 08: 02
          +3
          Sorry, but anger is a bad adviser. You should not react so sharply. A trace of resentment remains on the heart and spoils all day. Can sarcasm respond better?
          1. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher April 28 2016 08: 34
            +2
            This is not anger. "Don't you dare" - just a call, a remark ... I'm just ashamed. It's a shame ...
            And I don’t put cons, if a person from Odessa is probably scary, yes, scary. Not everyone can work when scared ...
  6. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m April 28 2016 06: 39
    +11
    You can’t always hold a compressed spring. Tension builds up. And I do not envy law-breakers and other Natsik when the spring straightens.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek April 28 2016 10: 13
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail M
      And I do not envy law-breakers and other Natsik when the spring straightens.


      Will he straighten up? Those who laid down their bones for the freedom of Odessa are slowly leaving, and the new generations have completely different priorities. I watched Nazi processions on the streets of the city - (once) Hero and with each such Sabbath the number of its participants only increases. IMHO, the former "beauty by the sea" and friendly townspeople-humorists are gone and, I'm afraid, will not be. And it will be amorphous, seasoned with anger at the entire mass of "population" in the likeness of Kiev. It's a shame, annoying .... stop
  7. grandson of the hero
    grandson of the hero April 28 2016 06: 44
    -1
    Minus, and big. What does that mean? Sit quietly in your huts, don’t go anywhere, don’t say anything? And this is about Odessa? About Hero City?
    Me now, along with my sofa, will be torn into small pieces.
    The conclusion of the article is very reminiscent of the statements of some figures that the victims in the Great Patriotic War were necessary, the fascists had to be allowed in and everyone would be alive, sitting and drinking Bavarian with a measured rumble of gelding.
    I am ashamed of our society before the memory of those who died in that war, who died in the massacre in Odessa 2014 ...
    1. svu93
      svu93 April 28 2016 07: 25
      +6
      I hope you wrote this on the way to Odessa? To show by my own example how to? To not be so ashamed!
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    3. 0255
      0255 April 28 2016 10: 34
      +10
      Quote: the grandson of the hero
      Minus, and big. What does that mean? Sit quietly in your huts, don’t go anywhere, don’t say anything? And this is about Odessa? About Hero City?

      Is it better to go to the slaughter unarmed against armed pravosek and the Armed Forces of Ukraine? What will be the reaction of the Russian Foreign Ministry if the citizens of Odessa are killed by the Ukronazis for the second time? A decisive note of protest? The Odessa region, unlike the LPNR, has no borders with Russia - how do you propose to supply them with "Voentorg" tanks, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles? And the fate of the LDNR is not clear - no one is going to include them in the Russian Federation or recognize them, on the one hand they support them with weapons, on the other hand they are restrained by Minsk, they declare the territorial integrity of Ukraine without Crimea.
      The conclusion of the article is very reminiscent of the statements of some figures that the victims in the Great Patriotic War were necessary, the fascists had to be allowed in and everyone would be alive, sitting and drinking Bavarian with a measured rumble of gelding.

      In the Second World War there were no Minsk agreements and statements by the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs on the territorial integrity of Nazi Germany. Feel the difference?
    4. aba
      aba April 28 2016 20: 09
      +1
      About Hero City?

      Kiev, by the way, is also a hero city.
  8. papont64
    papont64 April 28 2016 06: 47
    +6
    Wide limans
    Flowering chestnuts
    They heard the rustling again
    Expanded banners
    When I entered back
    Hammered gait
    In beauty Odessa
    Guards Battalion
    And dropping to the ground
    Roses as a sign of his return
    Our Bear didn’t hold back tears
    But here no one said anything

    Though Odessa Bear
    And that means
    What is not afraid of him
    Neither the trouble
    After all, you are a snorer Mishka
    Morak does not cry
    But this time
    Cry right
    No problem

    They are afraid ... they are afraid of the anger of the people.
  9. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 April 28 2016 06: 51
    +11
    (Judging while on the couch in Russia is very easy. It’s hard and difficult.) - The right words. Zombies do not stop even for a minute.
  10. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 28 2016 06: 52
    +5
    It is planned to simply share memory. People will come to the House and on the field. Bring flowers, candles, lamps. Once again, those who stayed there forever will be remembered. And just leave. And no one will hold rallies and yell from the podium.

    Events will not end in peace, there will be a swara, not a fight, but a hammer. People will simply be beaten. The authorities will not stop Pravosekov, (Bear will eat another tie).
  11. def89
    def89 April 28 2016 07: 05
    +3
    Beautiful city. And people really shouldn't go out on the streets. moreover, information about the arrival of 300 Azov fighters has already slipped through the news.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 28 2016 07: 12
      +2
      Quote: def89
      the news has already slipped information about the arrival of 300 Azov fighters awaiting the rest.

      At least 300 militants of the Azov regiment from Mariupol have already arrived in Odessa.
      According to local media, in particular, soldiers of the 3012 unit of the National Guard will be in Odessa from Wednesday.
      They have light armored vehicles at their disposal.
      According to information, the National Guard began to arrive in Odessa 2 weeks ago.
  12. Scud
    Scud April 28 2016 07: 06
    +8
    The most vile and cynical is that the Americans and the West directly brought to power in the dill frank Nazis and Russophobia and covers and will cover any killings, any genocide. But even more disgusting is that we, the Ukrainians, yes, not all, but hid huts and keep quiet in a rag. A crest is the same primate.
  13. Papapg
    Papapg April 28 2016 07: 16
    +3
    Thinking that there are only fools around, and we are the most correct, and even that ... we don’t smell. But no! The junta was preparing for the May future events, in any case, it was pulling forces closer to Odessa, for example, in Kotovsk, the former Birzula, and the future Podilsk happened this -
  14. shcishcok
    shcishcok April 28 2016 07: 44
    +2
    Hmm ... apparently, we must proceed from the question, and who want to be from Odessa? with Russia, or is it still part of Ukraine under a government that incites ethnic hatred? We survived the occupation of the Romanians, we survived the occupation of the Nazis ---- and the valiant Red Army came and liberated. That’s the whole point of the issue - they came and did everything for us. Indeed, many in Ukraine are sitting and dreaming - that Russia will come and throw off all this bastard, and we will wait for a bright future! That is, they will come and do it. This is the whole essence of being a Ukrainian - they will do everything for me, and I will live a satisfying life, sleep sweetly. For 25 years, hysteria has been escalating in the country about the Russian people. Did someone come up in Odessa? no. as well as throughout Ukraine, all of this was perceived normally, in everyday life, and this is the result. The citizens of Ukraine led you to such a result for 25 years, and you didn’t resist, because in your heart you agree with your government - Russia is the enemy, and we, the great Ukrainians who dug up the Black Sea, gave birth to Alexander the Great, etc. . etc.
    1. gg.na
      gg.na April 28 2016 08: 18
      -3
      Quote: shcishcok
      For 25 years, hysteria has been escalating in the country about the Russian people. Did someone come up in Odessa? no. as well as throughout Ukraine, all of this was perceived normally, in everyday life, and this is the result. The citizens of Ukraine led you to such a result for 25 years, and you didn’t resist, because in your heart you agree with your government - Russia is the enemy, and we, the great Ukrainians who dug up the Black Sea, gave birth to Alexander the Great, etc. . etc.

      You say everything correctly! And so it is all sitting and thinking that RUSSIA owes and owes its kidney for another's sin repeat three ?! When they themselves this same RUSSIA enemy number 1 !!! No, thank you. With regards to the Donbass, there’s another conversation and RUSSIA will provide assistance to them!
  15. Gray 43
    Gray 43 April 28 2016 08: 23
    +7
    They are afraid, the bastards, it means they’re not sure what their power is, otherwise, what for stuff the city with militants ?! The truth about the lawlessness in Ukraine is increasingly manifested in the Western media, I think the second time the Nazis will not be able to shut up.
  16. Egoza
    Egoza April 28 2016 08: 29
    +4
    as rightly noted in an article on a neighboring branch, perhaps the presence of foreigners will moderate the actions of the authorities
    Unexpected for the authorities and the Nazis was the decision of a number of deputies of the European Parliament to come to Odessa on 2 in May. Deputy Jean-Luc Schaffhauser, confirming his decision, said: "In the 21st century, we simply did not expect such cruelty, such bloodthirstiness from the radicals of Ukraine."
    U.S. human rights activists from the UNAC (United National Anti-War Coalition) organization, which had previously organized the collection of signatures on a petition to the UN calling for an investigation into the Odessa tragedy, decided to support the European deputies.
    “We understand that the embassy (of Ukraine) will not like our petition, but we think that the best way to ensure the security of everyone (the participant in the event) and to allow us to express our democratic rights is to shed light on this (these events),” said Lombardo.
    Kiev’s deliberate suppression of the causes and scale of the tragedy, and the protection of the participants in the massacre now go sideways. “Sheila Parubiya” cannot be concealed in the Ukrainian bag.
    “We have strong doubts that the Ukrainian government, which came to power as a result of the coup, is conducting an objective investigation. That is why we are calling for an international investigation. There is a UN Human Rights Committee that should do this, ”said CIA ex-employee McGovern, founder of Intelligence Veterans for Sanity, who also signed the petition and is likely to arrive in Odessa.
    The likelihood of a significant number of European media arriving in the city will also greatly complicate the breadth of maneuver for provocations of Bandera.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek April 28 2016 10: 40
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      perhaps the presence of foreigners will moderate the actions of the authorities


      Elena hi
      The expectation that the sight of third-party uncles and aunts with cameras and in shorts will "shame" and temper the fighting fervor of a young, reckless Nazi who knows the smell of blood, imprisoned by the authorities to suppress everything "not Nazi" and "not Bandera" is a complete and dangerous illusion and stupidity. Will be either "sit in the kitchens and do not lean out", or "bat between the eyes" to the laughter and jumping of the surrounding crowd. And Odessans will "sit in kitchens", some will cry, remembering the past; some with bitterness will "wave" 150 and say with a sigh: "My house is on the edge ..."; and someone will turn on the "box" and will watch the Kiev "clownery". This is IMHO. request
  17. Shark Lover
    Shark Lover April 28 2016 08: 30
    +9
    There are Nazis and outright Bandera, there are those who oppose them. But after all, there are those who do not care, as elsewhere, I do not in any way reproach. Two weeks ago I talked to a simple Odessa citizen, on an Internet, asked how you are. Normal, heavier, prices, etc. Would you like the Crimea? (A question to him) On the drum, you can live under any government. There are many of them, normal people, not hucksters, far from televisions and politics. By the way, he talked in the same way with one beautiful girl from Nikolaev (37 years old). The right sector was kicked out, they came here, but not for long, they were quickly chased away, their ordinary residents hate them (these are her words). "There are few real violent, so there are no leaders"))
  18. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. April 28 2016 08: 33
    +3
    Occupation, say ... armed crowds ..? In the Second World War, the partisan movement made a huge contribution to the victory over the Nazis. And if they sit .. so there is no occupation. Don't be fooled. You either agree with the current order or disagree. The third (sitting quietly because there are few of us, but they are armed and will not give them a reason) is not given.
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 April 28 2016 09: 37
      0
      Quote: Alexander S.
      Occupation, say ... armed crowds ..? In the Second World War, the partisan movement made a huge contribution to the victory over the Nazis. And if they sit .. so there is no occupation. Don't be fooled. You either agree with the current order or disagree. The third (sitting quietly because there are few of us, but they are armed and will not give them a reason) is not given.

      Well yes. Do not mislead anyone.
      How to start disagreeing. Decisively and uncompromisingly. It's hard - not to agree - but the main thing is to force yourself.
      And after that, a company set of small arms and 2 BC will fall onto a trunk to it from a special patriotic tree in the city center. And every week on 2 BC will fall.

      And while this does not happen, there is no occupation. Definitely.

      There was still a photo of Lavrov, but he was tired and went into another comment to work as a determinant of intelligence. He said that here he would look like a compliment.
    2. Lelek
      Lelek April 28 2016 10: 51
      +1
      Quote: Alexander S.
      .You either agree with the existing order or do not agree. The third (sitting quietly because there are few of us, but they are armed and will not give them a reason) is not given.


      Ukraine is a special country with a special population, whose credo is "I do not agree, but (out of harm's way) I will sit quietly in my hut, which is on the edge." And nothing can be done about it. They (the population) are like Ryazan mushrooms - "they eat them, and they look." fool
  19. Egoza
    Egoza April 28 2016 08: 36
    +6
    Perhaps the authorities will ban all rallies, processions, etc. explaining this by concern for the peace of mind of citizens. "Don't get ready for more than 2x". And if they have gathered (and will gather for sure), then here it is a "legitimate" pretext to beat, arrest, kill.
    Also, 6 days of holidays! "Drunken fights" - everyday life and nothing else. Again, a real reason to deal with the patriots.
    Finally, don't forget about provocateurs. And there will be more than one. someone unfurled the Russian flag not far from the column of front-line soldiers, and they will attack exactly the old people, and not the one who unfurled the flag. And immediately "here they are" little green men. Here they are Russian invaders. " Yes, a lot of things the junta can do, has become skilled in this matter.
  20. Mantykora
    Mantykora April 28 2016 08: 47
    +11
    Good words, Roman.
    "Living in occupation and being human is much more difficult" - but most commentators will not understand this. They will not understand small transactions with conscience on a daily basis. They will not understand the cynical pulling of money for war and corruption under the guise of taxes and fraud with payments for housing and communal services, especially for gas. They will not understand disgust at the sight of a Down rag and people in uniform on the street, especially with the Azov patch. They won't understand how you want to stuff your face, but to whom? - performer six? what's the point?

    It's easy to be a commentator with the Russian flag. You will not understand the people who lived under occupation during the Second World War. For you, this is all "a hut on the edge", "the people did not rise", etc. You will not understand the feeling when you understand that both sides are using the population - both the American and the Russian. And understanding that the Russian use is the answer to the American one still doesn't get any easier. A great game, as it is fashionable to say now, Game of Thrones.

    But it’s impossible to understand all this, you need to feel it and only then say something. Speak on business, not appeals.
  21. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 28 2016 09: 36
    +3
    What happened in Ukraine is the second series of events of 1917 in Russia.
    And the organizers are the same.
    And the performers are Nazis of the Right Sector. But the performers are used, and then they are disposed of.
    We need to talk about the organizers who now own the power in this country. This government has powerful support for world Zionism.
    1. UrraletZ
      UrraletZ April 28 2016 12: 27
      +2
      Do not equate the Nazis with the Communists. Between them there is an SIGNIFICANT difference. The Bolsheviks gathered the country, and Bandera gave it on a platter of am.
  22. bankirchik34
    bankirchik34 April 28 2016 09: 37
    -3
    I want to whip the author on the cheeks, so that he would not hysteria and escalate.
  23. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 28 2016 09: 39
    +6
    Whatever happens in Odessa, it will be a civil war. Rather, the continuation of the Second World War, which is still not over. It will be a war for the right to be called citizens. It doesn’t matter with or without sacrifice. The heirs of partisans from Odessa quarries who fought against the Nazis cannot reconcile themselves to the fascist scum on their streets. We are well aware that this is the hardest decision that your life and the life of your loved ones depend on. But the time has come to choose, and perhaps it sounds cruel, but this is the result of an indifferent attitude to the events taking place in Ukraine over the past 25 years of all its inhabitants.
    And by the way, this also applies to us Russians, regarding what is happening in our country
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  25. sharkmen
    sharkmen April 28 2016 10: 06
    +6
    Hello everyone. Pros and cons have not yet set. but in theory, if everyone agrees that fascists are in power in Urquain, then how demonstration of anti-fascists, for example, in Warsaw in 1943, looks analogous by analogy? would there be any thoughts about the cowardice of the locals if they did not honor the mournful date of the loss of independence on August 31? the city was not taken anyhow, in 1944 the opposite event occurred there. although no one seems to refuse courage to the rebels, but they are not discussing this topic in the Russian segment without a finger at the temple. from my point of view, the fight against the FASHIONING state is possible either underground or partisan. but partisan success will bring only in the case of real databases with neighboring education (LDNR for example), otherwise they stammer in a couple of weeks.
  26. atamankko
    atamankko April 28 2016 10: 48
    +5
    Let's see what happens, but we must remember
    Odessa residents are much harder than us.
  27. Tektor
    Tektor April 28 2016 11: 08
    0
    Everything should happen on May 1, and very competently and quietly, and without TV. All power structures in Odessa and the national guard should be squeezed out / lured outside the city, and there they should be put / released on all 4 sides. KVM. Republic must be declared in Odessa.
  28. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov April 28 2016 11: 41
    +2
    The author is right in that to incite people to any demonstrations is, firstly, a provocation, and secondly, stupidity, because most Odessa citizens like the current life in Odessa. The author himself admits that Odessa is the former Odessa. American sailors walk around the streets, so pretty. Oh my god, what a meeting there. They have everything in Odessa on delivery and you can buy it by bargaining. So what kind of war is there, God forbid. Odessa is a city forever lost for Russia, the Russians will serve the new master there with pleasure, because he has more seductive lace panties. As for the Russians, then we especially have nothing to worry about. We are going, say, to Prague. But what we do not need to do. it is imposed on the residents of Ukraine as relatives. Brotherhood must be forgotten. Now they are a relative of the EU: they have a good climate and better roads.
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov April 28 2016 12: 39
      0
      Put the minus! What really hurts my eyes? I understand, unpleasant. But it's true.
  29. nnz226
    nnz226 April 28 2016 12: 27
    +4
    As the saying goes: "It's too late to drink Borjomi ..." Odessans should have taken to the streets on May 2, 2014, not in tens, but in tens of thousands, and thrown the Bandera bastard out of the city. And now, excuse me, the occupation, and the Red Army is not expected ...
  30. Egoza
    Egoza April 28 2016 14: 02
    +4
    you know, apart from everything, let's remember that the majority of the inhabitants of Odessa are Jews, who remember very well what the Nazis did to the Jews. Namely, these are brought there at the slightest "stirring" towards Russia. After all, it was not for nothing that in 2014, dozens of buses with "maydanuts" were taken there on buses. Fear is a very strong factor, especially when you are afraid not for yourself, but for your old parents, children, and therefore there is no mass character in the protests. Although it cannot be said that there is no underground either. It is not for nothing that Sahak got so "overexcited".
    1. avia12005
      avia12005 April 28 2016 18: 59
      +2
      I wonder where you found Jews in Odessa, remembering the occupation ?? After the Nazis and their assistants there were no Jews left. And now there are very few Jews in Odessa, almost all have left for the promised land. hi
  31. Egoza
    Egoza April 28 2016 14: 12
    +5
    I continue ... no offense will be told to the Russians, who are eager to "get up and fight" ...
    “There is no difference between Chernyakhovsky and Hitler. For us it’s the same thing, absolutely ”- this is Channel One, on the eve of May 9. And this is not about the cry of the marginal, who was then severely besieged, - it is about a “respectable discussion” with the participation of a leading patriot and a patriotic bench. You can talk as much as you like about people-hawala, but you, the media patriots, are the first pro-Nazi hawks. Structure of the moment program, exact time 26: 14
    Before that, all the same scum - MGIMO teacher, Polish citizen Yakub Koreyba said that Russia "in the present is bad, but there is no future at all." Then Sergey Kurginyan called this freak a boor and a lump and left the studio:
    And the rest preferred to continue the "respectable discussion" with the unbridled pro-Nazi scum. You can, of course, refer to the fact that the Poles, Ukrainians and other liberals fulfill the role of “clown freaks” on TV. But these "clown freaks" have a drive and a desire to cling to a patriotic throat. A patriotic throat often in response gives out slurred mu-mu. As a result, it turns out that it is not the “freak-clowns” who are being omitted, as it was intended, but the “-clowns” who omit the “respectable patriots”. And such a lowering is not a free pleasure, it is leaving the viewer face to face with “clown freaks” (when those who have to upset them on TV do not do this), which in turn leads to the accumulation of neurosis, which can lead to anything, including identity scrapping.
    So they broke the people in Ukraine. There, too, everything gradually began: with a discussion of the Pro-Bandera party and the mu-mu of the centrists. This is the path to complete defeat in the information war and to the demolition of society, which in the end cannot but lead to the demolition of the state.

    Source: http://politikus.ru/v-rossii/75134-chernyahovskiy-gitler.html

    I agree with the author of the article, but I would like to ask. And why people will not come to a rally to MGIMO? They will not demand that such enemies of Russia not be in universities?
    Will they demand that this "pan" answer for insulting the memory of the hero of the Second World War? I can assume that the participants of such a meeting a) would first be asked to disperse politely, b) in case of disobedience, they would be detained.
    And now back to Odessa - they will not ask and politely detain them here. Here they will shoot on the spot. So think ...
    1. black
      black April 28 2016 15: 02
      +2
      About the Jews, you remarkably noticed it. They claim that 6 million Jews died during the Holocaust. And how many of them fought with the Nazis? Much less. And then basically, Soviet Jews. They kind of explained to you. There will be no mass protests in Odessa. Not because of fear. Saakashvili is not afraid to troll. But because it is not profitable. It is better to sell vodka for a couple of shekels to the Nazis from Azov than to receive from them in the face. And for sho suffer? Grandfather Sema, a war veteran, has long since died and money will not help. So do not stir the memory of the inhabitants of Odessa. Soon the beach season, and the beds are not painted.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 28 2016 15: 28
        +1
        Quote: black
        But because it is not profitable.

        Well, in some ways, you can agree ... if you really squeeze someone, then ...
        The organization "Council of Public Security" declares that today (April 22) its activists were attacked at Privoz.
        According to the organization, the activists, together with the head of the territorial department of fish inspection and a member of the public council of the State Fishery Agency of Ukraine, conducted a raid on the market to curb the illegal trade in live crayfish.
        “Opposite the main entrance to the Privoz market, live crayfish has been traded for many years without any permits,” the report said. -
        As soon as the activists approached the place of sale and informed that the sellers needed to be given a license to trade, and the sale was temporarily suspended, the sellers in a hurry began to collect their goods and rush off. After a verbal skirmish, traders with wild cries, mats, various insults began to rush into the fray. "
        Women beat activists with basins, sticks, and plastic bottles of frozen water.
        “Part of the inadequately behaving people, meanwhile, blocked the road on Preobrazhenskaya street. One of the saleswomen even attacked reporters with fists.
        After some time, several police squads arrived at the scene, ”the organization continues.
        After that, activists wrote a statement about the attack by sellers. The latter were also taken to the Primorsky OP to clarify the circumstances.
      2. Orionvit
        Orionvit April 28 2016 21: 36
        +2
        Well, 6 million Jews, stupid things. It was a matter of being destroyed, but 6 million, while in all of Europe it was difficult to scrape together. More Russians died in concentration camps, and no one came up with a separate term on this subject. In the West, if you just opened your mouth about the mismatch of the victims of the Holocaust, you can immediately fly to the prison without charge.
  32. alex86
    alex86 April 28 2016 18: 10
    +5
    And what was the city ...
    I met my wife in Odessa, although I studied at the same faculty ...
    Her (wife's) aunt said in the 82nd year - "now no one knows their native language, everyone has left" - I will note that the aunt is half-Russian, half-Mordovian from the Nizhny Novgorod region. It is hard to convey how bitter it is - the wife is pregnant in the 83rd year, they swam in Komsomolskoye, the fish bit their legs - and this nightmare of 2014. For me, Ukraine is a second Motherland, and I am not a supporter of the local haters of Ukraine and Ukrainians. And I will say that you do not understand what comes from the word "absolutely". And there is nothing to expect any special performances - they will not be.
    But what was the city ... And what was Ukraine ...
  33. izya top
    izya top April 28 2016 18: 51
    +3
    Judging from a sofa in Russia is very easy. There is hard and difficult.
    And who did "hard and difficult"? We, sitting on the couch? Or are the horses and khataskrayniks Ukrainian?
  34. Serge
    Serge April 28 2016 18: 56
    +2
    Yes, nothing will happen in Odessa. The people scotched and turned into reptiles. That's it, Odessa ended. They themselves are to blame for betraying Russia. Let them now drink this bloody cup to the bottom.
  35. Transnistria
    Transnistria April 28 2016 20: 29
    +2
    What is most interesting is that the "warriors" from the "Azov" regiment are in full search of saboteurs from Transnistria, who "will" unleash riots in Odessa on May Day. And the border guards are not lagging behind - they put up new observation towers
    http://forumpmr.org/blog/ucraine/2904.html
  36. Orionvit
    Orionvit April 28 2016 21: 19
    +1
    "We are just planning an action of memory. People will come to the House and on the field. They will bring flowers, candles, lamps. They will once again remember those who have stayed there forever. And they will also leave." For the Nazis, this is enough.
  37. Orionvit
    Orionvit April 28 2016 21: 27
    +3
    Quote: SergiK
    Yes, nothing will happen in Odessa. The people scotched and turned into reptiles. That's it, Odessa ended. They themselves are to blame for betraying Russia. Let them now drink this bloody cup to the bottom.

    Of course it won’t be, if it will be a provocation. And on the question of who scotched, then look at yourself, wise guy. It’s clearly told you that people live in fascist occupation. Was there a lot of demonstrations with the Germans? Also now, they will shoot people or burn them again, they will not be shy. Moreover, have already passed, or is this not enough? I’m writing from Ukraine, so that I’m not clever anymore, and I know perfectly well what is happening and where. Yes, and change the flag, and then you will write about Russia.
  38. Yugra
    Yugra April 28 2016 23: 35
    +3
    Odessans, your cause is right in the fight against punishers from the basics. Beat them in the tail and mane. It’s time to start a guerrilla war with the junta ...
  39. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN April 30 2016 06: 35
    0
    I read comments and marvel! How many teachers. Remember the catacombs and the Second World War. Recommend the use of instructions for the underground NKVD.
    Gentlemen, what did you do at EBN? Tanks in Moscow shoot at the database. A crowd of onlookers stares at it. After all, it’s not you who made EBN transfer power to GDP. It was just a miracle! And you and we sat at home and solved their little affairs and survived.
    So in Ukraine, normal people just survive. And Danko, he is alone. And something must happen in Ukraine. When is the question. But it will happen. And the same Odessa has already brought its sacrifice to the altar of victory. After all, night always follows morning ...
  40. Fgrt
    Fgrt 1 May 2016 04: 07
    0
    Poor people