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The first in the world: ten facts of the primacy of Baikonur

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The first in the world: ten facts of the primacy of Baikonur



28 April 1955 of the year on the territory of the future cosmodrome began large-scale construction work

В stories space age there are several certainly unique events that have become landmarks, marking the road of humanity to the stars. And it would not be an exaggeration to say that the largest part of them was “supplied” by Russian cosmonauts, engineers, designers, builders, and other people whose hands created domestic cosmonautics. The first launch of an artificial satellite of the Earth and the first manned flight into space - only these two achievements would be enough for Russia to forever inscribe its name in the world space history.

But there are a few more dates that are much less often remembered even in our country, not to mention others. It is about choosing a place and building the Baikonur cosmodrome - the first "space gate" of the Earth. In his story the most important - because the first! - 1955 became the year during which the development of the space center’s future space began. On January 12, the first subdivision of military builders arrived at the Tyura-Tam raid in the Kazakh steppe, and they began to prepare places for their comrades and to mark the contours of future objects. February 12 issued a decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR on the creation of a test site for ballistic missiles - NIIIP number 5. April 28 military builders, waiting for the thawed earth, poured the first cubic meter of concrete into the foundation of the first object of the future cosmodrome - the highway that connected the first buildings and the launch pad (its construction began on July 20). On May 5, the first capital building of the residential campus was laid, and on July 2 became the official birthday of the cosmodrome: then the General Staff approved the staff structure of NIIP No. 5 and created the headquarters of the test site.

More than half a century has passed since that distant day, but the space center is still continuing its work. Today, it was built once by the forces and means of one large country, it turned out to be in one of its fragments - independent Kazakhstan, from which Russia rents Baikonur for 115 million dollars a year. But this does not prevent our country to annually launch from here a half or two dozens of spacecraft, supporting the life of an aged but still operational legend of the Russian space. Moreover, Baikonur and its employees have already never achieved results already achieved, and among these achievements there are quite a few world records and events that took place for the first time in the world!

1. The world's first spaceport on the size of the occupied area

The Baikonur Cosmodrome covers an area of ​​6717 km xnumx, and this makes it the largest cosmodrome in the world. This area contains 2 launch complexes (including 16 operating), 8 assembly and test buildings, two refueling stations, a universal and technical filling stations, a measuring complex with a computing center and an oxygen-nitrogen plant. But the cosmodrome is only part of the Baikonur complex, which also includes the city of Baikonur, initially called the Leninsky village and then the city of Leninsky. In a city whose population exceeds 11 thousand people (almost half of them are Russians), there are more than 70 residential buildings, six hotels, a hospital and two polyclinics, 300 schools, vocational schools, a technical school and a branch of one of the leading aerospace universities of Russia - MAI. Plus, two airfields - Extreme and Jubilee (the last Russian shuttle “Buran” landed on the last in 14).

2. The world's first cosmodrome in terms of the number of launches of spacecraft

The annual number of launches of spacecraft from a particular cosmodrome varies greatly and depends on many factors: the state of the national space program, the availability of financial, technical and political capabilities of the country of operation, and so on. And although Russia is gradually transferring part of the launches to the Plesetsk cosmodrome, and will soon begin to transfer to the Vostochny cosmodrome, the vast majority of Russian launches are still taking place from Baikonur. Due to this, the cosmodrome in the past few years has regained the world championship in the number of annual launches. In particular, last year 18 was launched from Baikonur, 17 was launched from the Canadian Spaceport Canaveral, and from the Guiana Space Center (Eurocosm) it was 12.

3. The world's first launch of a space satellite

Baikonur has become a place that forever went down in history as the place of the first space launch. October 4 1957 was the first in the world artificial satellite of the Earth, PS-1, aka Satellite-1, that was launched into Earth orbit. He started in 22: 28 Moscow time and spent 92 on the near-earth orbit of the day - before 4 in January 1958 of the year, making 1440 revolutions around the Earth. Satellite transmitters worked for two weeks after launch, and the famous “beep-beep-beep” could be received by radio amateurs around the world. But, besides world fame, this day returned Russia and confidence in world politics: he proved that our country is the only one in the world! - possesses a ballistic missile capable of carrying a nuclear charge. P-7, which put the satellite into orbit, was just such a rocket: its first “military” successful launch, about which no one had ever trumpeted, took place at 21 August 1957 at Baikonur.

4. The world's first launch of a satellite that photographed the far side of the moon

Exactly two years after the first space launch, Baikonur once again became a platform from which the creation created by human hands went into the unknown. October 4 1959, the Vostok-L launch vehicle, launched from Earth, carrying the Luna-3 space station on board. Three days later, the satellite reached the moon and was able for the first time in history to photograph its reverse side, invisible from our planet. It was actually a double success of the Soviet lunar program, because in less than a month before that, on September 14, the automatic station "Luna-2" became the first device in the world to descend on the lunar surface.


Baikonur bird's-eye view. Photo: 50ism.com

5. The world's first launch of a habitable spacecraft, returned from orbit

19 August 1960 of the year 11: 44 Moscow time from Baikonur launched the Vostok launch vehicle - the heir of the legendary P-7 - with the satellite Sputnik-5 on board. After 25 hours, the descent capsule of the ship returned to Earth, from which the search team retrieved the first living creatures that had been in orbit and had returned, the dogs Belka and Strelka. This flight was of great scientific importance and directly predetermined the features of subsequent launches: the apparent malaise of dogs on the fourth turn led scientists to conclude that the first manned flight into orbit should be with a minimum number of turns.

6. The world's first launch of a manned ship with a man on board

12 Day April 1961 year was the birthday of manned space flight. In 9: 07 Moscow time, the Vostok carrier rocket with the same spacecraft onboard started from site No. 1 (since then at Baikonur it is called “Gagarin launch”), and half an hour later the world's first cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin was in orbit. According to the approved program, adjusted for the results of the Belka and Strelka flight, the Vostok ship made a single turn around the Earth, and the entire flight took 108 minutes - at 10: 55 Gagarin had already landed in the Saratov region.

7. The world's first launch of a spacecraft, descended to another planet

The Molniya launch vehicle, in the head part of which the automatic station Venus-3 was located, started from the Baikonur 16 cosmodrome in November 1965 of the year at 7: 19 Moscow time. The research program of Venus in the Soviet Union was developed extensive and quite complex. So, "Venus-3" flew to the second planet of the Solar System in tandem with the station "Venus-2", which was four days ahead of it when it started from Earth and for two days when approaching the target. Unfortunately, it was not possible to get meaningful information about the Venusian atmosphere and other features of the planet: the station's control system failed when it approached, and on Earth it was only recorded that it reached the surface of Venus.

8. The world's first launch of the planet rover

10 November 1970 of the year 17: 44 Moscow time from Baikonur launched the Proton launch vehicle carrying the interplanetary station Luna-17. The ordinal number of the station hinted that there was nothing unusual in the seventeenth launch of the satellite to the Moon - and was deceiving. On board the station was the world's first planetary cruiser, designed to move on the surface of another celestial body. He was called "Lunokhod-1" and had, among other tasks, to choose a place for the landing of Soviet cosmonauts. 17 November moon rover reached the moon and slid to its surface. He worked for almost 11 months, that is, more than three times longer than its creators expected, and it was not his fault that the place he chose to dive into the Soviet lunar stall remained unused.

9. The world's first launch of a manned orbital station

Salyut-1, a long-term habitable station (DOS), launched from Baikonur on board the Proton launch vehicle 19 on April 1971, only a little before the tenth anniversary of the first manned space flight. During the 175 days that the world's first space station spent in space, two expeditions managed to go to it. The first, alas, failed to get on board the Salyut due to a technical malfunction, but the second safely visited the station, proving to the whole world that the long-term existence of a person in near-earth orbit has finally shifted from science fiction to the field of objective reality.

10. The world's first launch of a rocket with a space tourist aboard

28 April 2001, exactly 46 years after the start of construction of the Baikonur cosmodrome, from its launch pad No. 1 - the very “Gagarin launch” - the world's first space tourist, an American businessman Dennis Tito, went into orbit. By the time he started, 61 was a year old, but this did not prevent the multimillionaire, who had paid 20 million dollars for his journey, to spend six days in space. He became the first non-professional astronaut to visit the International Space Station.
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  1. Igor39
    Igor39 April 30 2016 06: 20 New
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    The Tyura-tam station, the city of Leninsk, served there for three years, was almost everywhere there, how many were built there in the desert, it is simply impossible to convey in words.
    1. Altona
      Altona April 30 2016 06: 48 New
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      Now many military facilities of the USSR in Leninsk are destroyed. If Vostochny works, then Baikonur will most likely die. Due to the economy, there will be no starts.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 April 30 2016 06: 56 New
        +5
        Yes, they sent me pictures of a part of the former, the parade ground was overgrown, the barracks were given to komers for business. I think the bulk of the sites are either dismantled or dismantled and cut into metal. Now only Protons and Unions are allowed if Unions are in The eastern "will be translated and the" Angara "will begin to fly," Baikonur "will become a museum.
        1. kos2910
          kos2910 April 30 2016 07: 17 New
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          Quote: Igor39
          "Baikonur" will become a museum

          This is at best, although Kazakhs are quite adequate from the former, well, such areas are not needed for the museum, it’s enough to ennoble the Gagarin’s start. But they can all populit on metal like the Ukrainians.
        2. Lukich
          Lukich April 30 2016 08: 34 New
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          Quote: Igor39
          , "Baikonur" will become a museum.

          until the age of 50 will not. rent.
      2. sub307
        sub307 April 30 2016 09: 10 New
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        In 2007 he was there on a business trip. If directly ..., really - a dual impression. Many houses stand entirely with walled windows, and so ... more or less - order. Trains to the spaceport go on schedule. Locals said that in the 90s it was worse when the "wild Kazakhs" came from the steppe ..., dismantled and dragged everything. Buranovsky start is abandoned ..., territory of Kazakhstan. In the city, at the household level, it seems normal - shops work, restaurants, pubs are functioning.
        1. tanit
          tanit April 30 2016 11: 19 New
          +3
          And in what terms was the trip? And from what "office"?
          Quote: sub307
          Trains to the spaceport go on schedule. Locals said that in the 90s it was worse when the "wild Kazakhs" came from the steppe ..

          This is what I admired. And the wild Russians, what did they do then? hi Well, until 2007?
          To tell?
        2. avt
          avt April 30 2016 14: 53 New
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          Quote: sub307
          . Trains to the spaceport go on schedule.

          Quote: sub307
          Trains

          Car transporter!
          1. tanit
            tanit April 30 2016 15: 54 New
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            A motor transporter doesn’t go to Baikonur, a motor transporter delivers from Baikonur ... We don’t know, don’t climb?
            By the way, there are still trains from Gorodskaya station.
            1. avt
              avt April 30 2016 18: 18 New
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              Quote: tanit
              The truck does not go to Baikonur, the truck carries from Baikonur ...

              laughing So from Leninsk to the site - the train, from the site to Leninsk -motovoz?
              Quote: tanit
              Do not know, do not meddle?

              Swam-know? laughing
              Quote: sub307
              . Trains to the spaceport go on schedule.

              If from Kursky to the Turatam station, then by train, but in the days of the USSR, everything happened to the schedule both there and there.
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      4. Kasym
        Kasym April 30 2016 18: 36 New
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        Igor39, Altona. The city and the cosmodrome subordinate to Russia - power, courts, laws - everything is Russian. What side is Kazakhstan responsible for the dilapidated state of the spaceport? Before writing, take an interest - until recently we had no legal opportunity to conduct business there. Do you understand or not that this territory is subordinate to the Russian Federation?
        And how Eastern can replace Baikonur? If there is only the Angara (and the GDP said bluntly that it CAN BE UNDER A HEAVY HANGAR) and the Union can start? 6 launches a year after 2018 can replace 26 launches of the Russian Federation in 2015 or 36 (3 a month, no less) in 2014?
        I think both are needed because growing interest in many countries in the availability of nat. satellites. Who can say what will happen in 10-20 years - what will be the need for launches - I can only say that it will increase ?! East will help relieve the burden from Baikonur, including ecological. To start, you must first assemble the rocket, "test" (check), and then raise it to the launch pad. And this is all the time. And if the frequency of launches increases, then we will not have time to trite. And two sites are another matter.
        And for the money. The budget of the Republic of Kazakhstan is $ 40 billion. Rent 115 mil. dale - this is 0,3% of the budget. hi
        I think that it is necessary to ask for the state of Baikonur from the Kremlin, and not from Astana.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym April 30 2016 19: 02 New
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          Imagine that Russia will really leave Baikonur.
          Sorry, but even sowing. Koreans are already launching something into space there. Do you really think that we can’t do it? By the way, in frames. In the RK, a few years ago, they adopted a program for "Nazarbayev Intellectual Schools." If earlier we had only one physics and mathematics school in Alma-Ata, now it will be in every regional center (it has already begun to work in Alma-Ata). In these special schools, increased attention is paid to mathematics, physics, biology, chemistry and languages. If RK was able to build a new capital, then you think we will not find money for our own development? We will assemble an international or find a specialized company that can develop a rocket launcher (the same Swedish Grippen is a solid hodgepodge, for example, Rolls-Royce engines). But is it necessary or not? Russia just doesn’t need such a competitor, especially since Astana is open for such matters and there were even proposals from our side (that Zenit, for example). hi
          1. Talgat
            Talgat April 30 2016 20: 21 New
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            Kasim agrees - everything is written correctly

            But generally sure. that Russia will not leave Baikonur anywhere. and not only because the price there is purely symbolic rent - like for several other objects like Sarah Shagan, etc.

            And just because. that this would be contrary to current trends - the Eurasian Union is already forming on the site of the CU, and Kazakhstan, along with Russia, is one of the main initiators and participants. We are integrating with Russia and the military sphere - in the same CSTO CSTO after Russia, the second is invested in KZ.

            The collapse of the USSR to some extent disconnected us - but in fact we stayed together - even the bases of integration initiatives and the EAC, etc. - simply even because there is a common border of thousands of kilometers - which are impossible to guard or block, and border businessmen smugglers and just people have long been created the Customs Union long before the ANAS and Putin - in fact, the leadership simply legitimized the fact


            No matter what the Russian and Kazakh Natsiks say - advocating for separation and "pseudo-independence" - the truth is. that our republics are really fraternal and have one past and one future.
            1. avt
              avt 1 May 2016 09: 03 New
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              Quote: Talgat
              Kasim agrees - everything is written correctly

              no Dauren wrote what he had written before starting from Vostochny, except that he removed about the tunnels of the Baikal road through which sort of trains with a disassembled missile would not go through, there was such a reference to one of our generals, who, like other experts about “Mace" for SSBNs, they wrote that de this is not possible bully
              Quote: Talgat
              But generally sure. that Russia will not leave Baikonur anywhere. and not only because the price there is purely symbolic rent - like for several other objects like Sarah Shagan

              But I didn’t say that like that, just leave. Not about that. Understand - there is no development prospect in the absence of a space program like the USSR, well, not all. Yet again
              Quote: Talgat
              - The Eurasian Union is already forming on the site of the Customs Union, and Kazakhstan, along with Russia, is one of the main initiators and participants.

              This is not a guarantee, this is a business-nothing personal, cartel conspiracy, and it does not oblige anyone to anything serious. On its basis, such long-term projects are impossible, not just what to do - to plan.
              Quote: Talgat
              The collapse of the USSR to some extent disconnected us

              wassat ..... Well, if only geographically.
  2. PKK
    PKK April 30 2016 06: 49 New
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    I’ll say that the builders lived very hard, before the arrival of the rockets with their alcohol. After things went more fun.
    I was in Kap Yar, they took cockroach regiments. Therefore, I can imagine what a training ground is. Then the ensigns went by car and officers on bicycles. One street, but well-groomed and a motor vehicle in the evenings at 10k, in the morning, without any searches, there was a violation of any secrecy. move without any passes. The cooked-up girls cooked for two years, with them soldiers inseminators. And of course exciting launches of various missiles, which the waitresses knew about us before. USSR in one word.
    1. tanit
      tanit April 30 2016 08: 02 New
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      "Until the put alcohol we see, two tanks ..."
      Sure sure.
      Song of the captain dismissed for hard drinking. I understand that this is an argument for you ....
      So he had other songs. Throw off?
      1. PKK
        PKK April 30 2016 19: 32 New
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        In those days, there were no captains dismissed for binge. Delays in posts were everywhere. Captains, though they drank. But they were brought up in the spirit of communism, and that’s not for you muhra muhra.
  3. kos2910
    kos2910 April 30 2016 07: 19 New
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    I did not understand why the car moderator equated u_k_r_y to the Ukrainians?
    1. tanit
      tanit April 30 2016 07: 33 New
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      And probably, because Baikonur, in your opinion, is destroyed. Photos sent ... Buy a ticket and come, an entry pass - I will provide.
      Destroyed, DB (Lavrov) - sorry, emotions ...
      DO NOT WAIT.
      1. Lukich
        Lukich April 30 2016 08: 38 New
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        Quote: tanit
        And probably, because Baikonur, in your opinion, is destroyed. Photos sent ..

        one woman wrote to me in Odnoklassniki. she lives in Leninsk. but not that. says they built a new one. and old Leninsk destroyed almost all of the Kazakhs
        1. tanit
          tanit April 30 2016 10: 14 New
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          Correctly one woman wrote. Leninsk-destroyed. Leninsk, no more, he is only in memory. But - the city was also called “Tashkent No. ....” before Leninsk. Is it the same? Destroyed it?
          But one man will write to you (I), still in this city, that ... And what am I really ... Come.
  4. kuz363
    kuz363 April 30 2016 07: 35 New
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    And who remembers why 115 million dollars for rent? And this came from a conversation between Nazarbayev and Yeltsin. Yeltsin wanted to use Baikonur for free, while Nazarbayev wanted to receive $ 230 million. At the time of the 90s, it was quite decent money. They argued for a long time. then Yeltsin suggested - let's divide this rent in half. To neither yours nor ours. So they decided on 115 million dollars. True, in recent years, the Kazakhs considered this figure to be very underestimated if compared with the cost of paying the United States for their foreign bases.
    1. tanit
      tanit April 30 2016 07: 44 New
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      And why would the bath fall apart? 115 million, but why not billions? Less than 50 now. The equipment leased is given for scrap to Kazakhstan, the copper cable is stolen by the citizens of Kazakhstan (which is documented).
      The rental amount of the cosmodrome, namely the rental of the cosmodrome (or as the complex is now called), decreases every month.
      But the other thing is the city itself and NOT RENTED BUT RELATED TO RUSSIA objects. Here, their money and support are not small money. But - this is not for rent.
      wassat Stop feeding Baikonur !!!! wassat Give trampolines !!!!
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 April 30 2016 07: 56 New
        +1
        When the launches are transferred from Baikonur, the city will disperse.
        1. tanit
          tanit April 30 2016 08: 08 New
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          But this is the holy truth. The keyword is when. And one more keyword - if. Until the end of Baikonur’s lease, God forbid that the East should stand on its feet.
          Quote: Igor39
          When the launches are transferred from Baikonur, the city will disperse.
          1. avt
            avt April 30 2016 10: 42 New
            +4
            Quote: tanit
            But this is the holy truth. The keyword is when. And one more keyword - if.

            If anything ? Should Kazakhstan enter Russia as a federal republic? laughing laughing All this is an old song about the main thing. I clashed with the Kazakhs on this subject back in 2012. Firstly, there will be NO such a space program like the USSR does, and Baikonur has already become completely redundant. Again, in modern realities, the excess will not be preserved and stored stupidly -
            Quote: tanit
            The equipment leased is given for scrap to Kazakhstan, the copper cable is stolen by the citizens of Kazakhstan (which is documented).

            Secondly, the Kazakhs want to be a “space power”, and simply get into commercial launches in a fraction, solely because, “this is our land and our spaceport”, right after the favorite anecdote of the National Academy of Sciences - like everyone is working and .... Hello, I’m your new local policeman, a native. Nobody will let anyone go of such a “space holder.” From here, all these Kazakh throwing will plague Russians with $ 2000 a month — they will make a Kazakh rocket for the Kazakh cosmodrome, then the French will teach us everything and do everything. Well, they made a satellite and launched it with Kuru .... on ,, Union " laughing .Well, the last, masterpiece - we’ll buy from the great Ukrainians ,, Zenith ", but in general ,, Yuzhmash" and proudly fly by ourselves. wassat ,, flew "and ..... Having cut a circle, we started negotiations about the" Angara "on Baikonur with Ragozin laughing . Only in light of the above, and without even considering options for political risks of a change on the Kazakh throne and the Islamic threat from the USA for the region as a whole. Who in their right mind gets into a table there? Only if you don’t raise your dough exclusively and write it off to external circumstances. Actually, in the joys of GDP, I unbuttoned the button on my collar "- I announced on camera that I would continue to work on Vostochny" under heavy "Angara." So, draw conclusions about the fate of Baikonur.
            Quote: Igor39
            , "Baikonur" will become a museum.

            Yeah - the new ruins of Soviet civilization. Baikonur, in the current geopolitical situation, in the form of emerging national states from the republics of the USSR, is doomed to slow dying. Only Russia supports the remnants of past greatness, and since it cannot pull the USSR’s space program, I don’t speak for Kazakhstan, again with the tendency to leave for its territory, Baikonur has no future. How it is not insulting and not sorry.
            1. tanit
              tanit April 30 2016 10: 55 New
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              Quote: avt
              Should Kazakhstan enter Russia as a federal republic?

              Until 2050 rent. Let's live and argue?
              Quote: avt

              Secondly, Kazakhs want to be a “space power”, and

              Are you Kazakh? No? laughing
              You know, if you don’t know something, then do not meddle. hi
              The eternal misfortune of experts about everything and academics about everything - it so happens that someone lives and serves in the place that the "academician" discusses.
              But imagine, I will tell you about how you didn’t love your wife correctly. hi
              1. avt
                avt April 30 2016 13: 55 New
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                Quote: tanit
                You know, if you don’t know something, then do not meddle.

                I already listened to this artistic whistle in 2012 from the same Marek Rosny here on the site. Also
                Quote: tanit
                The eternal misfortune of experts about everything and academics about everything - it so happens that someone lives and serves in the place that the "academician" discusses.

                from local, even from Kazakhs. Hack it on your nose, or wherever you want to remember, it’s up to you to decide how the Russian personnel of the cosmodrome live in Leninsk and how many sites will work, so it will all be in Moscow, and not even on Tkatskaya Street, but in a completely different place. So print out my post and then put down the dates of accomplishment. I somehow forgot then advise the Kazakhs arguing with me about Vostochny, well, when they, in particular, performed the same artistic whistle on the subject - they would never take the train by rail with a rocket, they say in the tunnel does not fit. laughing
                1. tanit
                  tanit April 30 2016 15: 59 New
                  +1
                  Hacked up. Just see what the problem is, I'm from this city. And, did you know that pi is not compatible with unloading bags? You know. So which Honecker = sound? hi
        2. marshes
          marshes April 30 2016 11: 42 New
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          Quote: Igor39
          When the launches are transferred from Baikonur, the city will disperse.

          Awesome military mixed base can be created there. The infrastructure allows.
          And the families of officers and contractors can be provided with housing.
          The city will live.
          1. avt
            avt April 30 2016 13: 41 New
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            Quote: marshes
            Awesome military mixed base can be created there. The infrastructure allows.

            request You can do a lot of things, the question is different - What is the status and regulatory framework of this base ??? How are the national units and subdivisions structured and the command vertical? All the same CSTO kissel? Well, he wrote more than once - Who will give the commands? From what is such a single center, moreover, obligatory for execution by ALL national units? Our cooperation with Kazakhstan within the framework of the same EAEU does not imply the creation of any supranational structures, the National Academy of Sciences clearly told Yu, as well as that no policy is only business. Well, and how will such a mixed base exist, and what will be done in practice? wassat Indeed, in fact, the CSTO does not even come close to the Warsaw Pact with its command structures. So this is all from the category of science fiction. In practice, it will be like with Butska airbase - give us the planes and go on a sexual journey to the genitals in accordance with your preferences. Since in fact there is a really functioning center on Frunzenskaya embankment, and under it, not one of the national leaders will transfer their troops - medical fact.
            1. marshes
              marshes April 30 2016 14: 05 New
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              Quote: avt
              And what status and regulatory framework will this base have?

              Yes, there will be its own base, Kazakhstan. It is free to place a whole division there plus the families of employees and servants.
              Assembly shops, not all the same to pull to Astana, the same production and repair of military equipment.
              In short, the city will exist, the opportunity will appear self-sufficient. If we take into account that it is located in the Kyzylorda region, then there is gas, uranium oil. etc.
              But the city does not give the Russian Federation to our subordination. smile If desired, and finances even better than could be done, second Astana. Purely because of the principle .... laughing
              Preserving museums ...
              1. avt
                avt April 30 2016 14: 19 New
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                Quote: marshes
                Yes, there will be its own base, Kazakhstan.

                Well, if I have my own, then I’ll remove my previous questions, but here’s the point
                Quote: marshes
                If desired, and finances are even better than could be done, second Astana.

                military city do .... requestWell, Astana is understandable - a purely political decision and a wish of the National Academy of Sciences. Once again, do you have the same option? Well, it’s up to you, but I would first have a strong estimate for the long term under any significant circumstances,
                . If you consider what is in the Kyzylorda region, then there is gas, oil, uranium. etc.
                1. marshes
                  marshes April 30 2016 14: 27 New
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                  Quote: avt
                  military city do ....

                  And now what is it? Isn't the military administration of the Russian Federation managing it?
                  The military will appear, with consistently high salaries, by the way. Other villages will be pulled up by the way around Baikonur. In the city itself, the number of the indigenous population is already increasing, and there are schools with the subordination of the Moscow Region, an image. Kazakhstan appeared. It remains for the small ... City to submit to Kazakhstan.
                  1. tanit
                    tanit April 30 2016 16: 05 New
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                    Quote: marshes
                    And now what is it? Isn't the military administration of the Russian Federation managing it?

                    No. Not she. hi
                    1. marshes
                      marshes April 30 2016 16: 17 New
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                      Quote: tanit
                      No. Not she.

                      Who?
                      not long ago I heard that one type of "mayor" died of breathless vapors of heptyl, after a proton accident. And he was a little more than 50 years old.
                      1. tanit
                        tanit April 30 2016 16: 32 New
                        +1
                        Spell = G R A J D A N S K A Ya. But -RF.
                        I did not read for a long time, the "Swamps" receiver of Nursultan. laughing
                      2. marshes
                        marshes April 30 2016 16: 34 New
                        +1
                        Quote: tanit
                        I did not read for a long time, the "Swamps" receiver of Nursultan.

                        Where? laughing I’m not Shaprashty.
                        I really know someone ... laughing
                      3. Alibekulu
                        Alibekulu April 30 2016 17: 11 New
                        +1
                        Quote: tanit
                        I did not read for a long time, the "Swamps" receiver of Nursultan.
                        I assure you (of the wisest of the wisest) of personal loyalty and unending gratitude ..
                        In turn, I ask your most gracious permission to head the Ministry of Education of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
                        I think against the background of the last ministers, I will not spoil the picture for sure ..
                        Well, or to the edge of the rector of any of the regional universities ... lol
                      4. marshes
                        marshes April 30 2016 17: 24 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alibekulu
                        In turn, I ask your most gracious permission to head the Ministry of Education of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

                        I agree, in advance laughing According to the latest innovations, it's time to disperse them.
                        Although there is a rational grain about training in the summer, the short film ADAM spoils it all.
                        http://www.online-life.cc/9293-adam-portit-vse-adam-ruins-everything-2015.html
                      5. Alibekulu
                        Alibekulu 2 May 2016 13: 17 New
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                        Quote: marshes
                        Although there is a rats. Grain about training in the summer
                        Huh recourse In general, this situation with her statement that “the school year should be extended until July,” as the indicator says that she can safely “pour into her ears” while quietly staying on the sidelines.
                        In general, the "setup a stand" ..
                        By the way, 15 years ago, there were persistent rumors that they would put her "studying on cats" - Akim of Kostanay region ..
                        It's bad for her that she didn't grow together, otherwise she is clearly divorced from reality ..
              2. tanit
                tanit April 30 2016 16: 25 New
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                And the awesome base will be when Russia leaves. There is no water, no electricity.
                There is NO telephony to complain about. wassat Cellular communication (K-Z), and even then not everywhere finishes.
                Why - and this happened. (Suddenly)
                And to all "specialists", a request to go to the Garden. (Mixed up the first letter ... It is in the word Garden with a dash "Z")
                1. marshes
                  marshes April 30 2016 16: 37 New
                  0
                  Quote: tanit
                  And the awesome base will be when Russia leaves

                  It will be normal, everything will be. In principle, there you can put the reactor.
                  Quote: tanit
                  There is NO telephony to complain about. Cellular communication (K-Z), and even then not everywhere finishes.
                  Why - and this happened. (Suddenly)
                  And to all "specialists", a request to go to the Garden. (Mixed up the first letter ... It is in the word Garden with a dash "Z")

                  Well, as long as there is no point in investing, it’s real. If that is so right away, here is a field for a budget cut.
                2. ssss605
                  ssss605 2 May 2016 21: 03 New
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                  Normally there will be no more .... NEVER !!! Now everyone is dragging and everyone is not lazy !!!
  • ssss605
    ssss605 2 May 2016 20: 02 New
    +1
    He spent two months there last fall .... finally, of course, sadness! So much effort was spent on arranging .... and they all destroyed!
  • tanit
    tanit April 30 2016 07: 57 New
    +2
    Come on May 9th. Come on the day of the city on June 2. See with your own eyes the city. A photograph of the 90s laughing , Oh well...
  • svp67
    svp67 April 30 2016 08: 18 New
    +3
    If only Baikonur did not become the first spaceport that Russia would stop using. Long life and successful launches - "the first space harbor of Mankind"
    1. tanit
      tanit April 30 2016 08: 40 New
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      Quote: svp67
      If only Baikonur did not become the first spaceport that Russia would stop using. Long life and successful launches - "the first space harbor of Mankind"

      And he didn’t. "East" dash "Peaceful" - already was. Let me remind you of the news of the Yeltsin years .... "Plisetskiy is the main cosmodrome of Russia, the second is Vostochny. Well, and somewhere in Kazakhstan there is a third rotting one ..." Mirny Russia stopped using. For a while. In historical terms, time is negligible. hi
      It was already. And launches were from the East, there were no launches.
      By the way, the next start from Vostochny is next year. In 2017. hi
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 April 30 2016 09: 17 New
        +1
        Leasing up to the 50th year is not only a time of use, but also a time for the withdrawal of military and civilian specialists, I think that within 5-7 years everything will be debugged in Vostochny and the Angara will be started up, a town for staff will be built and the transfer of specialists from Baikonur So, until the year 25 in Vostochny everyone will debug and build a town, after the year 25, the slow fading of Baikonur will begin. There earlier they all let the military go too, now only the cargo and manned Proton and the Union, although the Kazakhs do not want Proton to go, so that this is a matter of time.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 30 2016 09: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Igor39
          After 25 years, the slow fading of Baikonur will begin.


          I think after 25 years (if you look at SpaceX), the need for such complexes will not be required at all. (I mean huge and remote)
          1. Igor39
            Igor39 April 30 2016 09: 37 New
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            And Space X and the new cosmodrome of Russia? Or do you think that we will fly on American carriers?
            1. tanit
              tanit April 30 2016 09: 44 New
              +3
              We fly on the old. "Morally obsolete."
              A physically groomed three-ruler with a physically sophisticated cartridge kills no less efficiently than morally superior to her, well, let's say, Galil.
          2. tanit
            tanit April 30 2016 09: 38 New
            0
            After 25 years, we’ll discuss it, right? And if you don’t look - at
            Quote: atalef
            if you look at SpaceX
            - then where to go then?
          3. Altona
            Altona April 30 2016 10: 38 New
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            Quote: atalef
            I think after 25 years (if you look at SpaceX), the need for such complexes will not be required at all. (I mean huge and remote)

            --------------------
            Well, yes, we’ll take off from the ground and lower the launch stage to the water platform. It is still about light classes of missiles, heavy trucks without a launch complex have not yet cost.
            1. tanit
              tanit April 30 2016 11: 10 New
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              And what, with a laser spit, they knock down (in Internet posts) Russian ammunition, any, even artillery. From the ground, it’s so easy, Jules Verne still wrote about “From the cannon to the moon” - a visionary, however. wassat
        2. tanit
          tanit April 30 2016 09: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Igor39
          They used to let everything in there, and the military, too, now only the cargo and manned Proton and the Union, although the Kazakhs do not want to let Proton go, so this is a matter of time.

          Well, damn it, you give. wassat
          Where will the information come from? So I didn’t hear this at a meeting at Rakovsky (Yevgeny Ivanovich, another IO, the owner of the spaceport). wassat
  • Old26
    Old26 April 30 2016 12: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: Igor39
    Leasing up to the 50th year is not only a time of use, but also a time for the withdrawal of military and civilian specialists, I think that within 5-7 years everything will be debugged in Vostochny and the Angara will be started up, a town for staff will be built and the transfer of specialists from Baikonur So, until the year 25 in Vostochny everyone will debug and build a town, after the year 25, the slow fading of Baikonur will begin. There earlier they all let the military go too, now only the cargo and manned Proton and the Union, although the Kazakhs do not want Proton to go, so that this is a matter of time.

    I think at least a quarter century Baikonur will exist.
    You have too optimistic figures about the fact that on Vostochny everything will be debugged within 5-7 years for Baikonur to "fade away".
    Only by 2021 on the "East" are going to pass the start for the "Angara". In the coming 3-4 years after this date, the number of Angara launches is unlikely to be more than 3-4 per year. And “protons” are launched in the region of 7-8 per year. Even if a reduction in the number of proton launches to 4-6 is envisaged, Angara launches are unlikely to cover the need for heavy launch vehicles, especially for foreign customers.
    In addition, one start at Vostochny is also fraught. Until they build 2 starts for “Unions” and “Hangars” (or whatever will be in their place), no one will leave Baikonur.
    Plus, the cosmodrome is not only launches and the town. Very significant infrastructure is required, starting from KAZ and ending with roads. In short, in time for 2040-2050 this will happen

    Quote: tanit
    Come over.

    Although the answer was not for me, I would love to come ... The last time I was there was in 1986 (from 1978 to 1986 - quite regularly). Surely the city has changed (I see in my city)
  • iv.ionov
    iv.ionov April 30 2016 12: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: tanit
    And the wild Russians, what did they do then? Well, until 2007?
    To tell?

    Of course to tell, because we do not know and do not know, enlighten society !!! request what
  • APASUS
    APASUS April 30 2016 15: 35 New
    +1
    I haven’t seen such dirty water at all, there’s nothing to drink, now I don’t know, but it was hard in the 80s.
  • Simple
    Simple April 30 2016 15: 36 New
    0
    Quote: avt
    Secondly, the Kazakhs want to be a “space power”, and simply get into commercial launches in a fraction, solely because, “this is our land and our spaceport”



    From the key phrase "take Tribute." With anything.
    1. tanit
      tanit April 30 2016 16: 10 New
      0
      To pay tribute is awesome. And to give the scoreboard is not European? What Kazakhstan now has from the rental complex is KOPEYKI.
      1. Simple
        Simple April 30 2016 16: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: tanit
        What Kazakhstan now has from the rental complex is KOPEYKI.



        Iron logic. Tribute is small.
        1. tanit
          tanit April 30 2016 16: 47 New
          0
          Logics. And - knowledge. I emphasize - KNOWLEDGE, but when it is there. .. Fuck you argue. (IMHO - I Have an Opinion Horseradish Contest.)
        2. marshes
          marshes April 30 2016 16: 50 New
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          Quote: Simple
          Iron logic. Tribute is small.

          115 lyamas killed raccoons, never seen with real money. Only military equipment. There is still possible barter, netting, transportation of oil and raw materials.
          Not long ago, with Roscosmos, they "lit up" at the expense of the fall of Proton, and consumer goods and consumer goods will pay eco-damage.
          And how many tons of bleach were removed from Ata and Shym in order to neutralize heptyl.
          1. Simple
            Simple April 30 2016 17: 00 New
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            Quote: marshes
            And how many tons of bleach were removed from Ata and Shym in order to neutralize heptyl.


            And how much of it (bleach) will still be needed.

            Infrastructure since what years?

            How is metal and reinforced concrete at the launch pad doing?

            This is a matter of time, when once again it will explode due to the deterioration of the infrastructure.
            1. marshes
              marshes April 30 2016 17: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: Simple
              And how much of it (bleach) will still be needed.

              A lot when you consider that the protons before the age of 25 were going to launch.
              Quote: Simple

              Infrastructure since what years?

              Wow from the ancients. smile
              Quote: Simple
              How is metal and reinforced concrete at the launch pad doing?

              Which tables do you explain?
              Where the subway was, the Strategic Missile Forces, the Russian Federation itself was dismantled and blown up, then it was flooded with concrete.
              Quote: Simple
              This is a matter of time, when once again it will explode due to the deterioration of the infrastructure.

              Which one?
              1. Simple
                Simple April 30 2016 17: 27 New
                +1
                Quote: marshes
                Which tables do you explain? ...
                Which one?



                You know better if you had anything to do with the complex.

                If they plan to use it before the 2025 for its intended purpose, then God forbid that it can do without catastrophes. Although the latter will be more and more difficult to perform.

                By the way, there are populated places in Russia, over the territories of which the acceleration blocks were reset. Of course with heptyl residues.

                So it's not only bяYes, the steppes of Kazakhstan.
                1. marshes
                  marshes April 30 2016 17: 31 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Simple
                  You know better if you had anything to do with the complex.

                  So distant attitude, though the brother of the Strategic Missile Forces was a schik, he studied in Perm and served in the Free.
                  A relative in Marie El .... smile
        3. avt
          avt April 30 2016 18: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: Simple
          . Tribute is small.

          Quote: marshes
          115 lyamas killed raccoons, they did not see with real money.

          And in the 90s a lot of people did not see any live money. But the point is not even in offsetting by barter. In reality, the graters began when the National Academy of Sciences, on the rights of a space power, wanted to get into ,, this is our land and our spaceport "into the club of commercial launches. And this market is small and specific and no one on," hello, I’m your new district Nazarbayev " . There, even having a carrier and a platform, some kind of horseradish will be taken with open arms, and even more so when it is a hook. That is where the bilateral crayons and big dirty tricks started between Kakhzakhstan and Russia. Today, Russia has fought back and left, with minimal losses, a gap to the whole venue for the sevens. But there is a trump jack .... even the king has ANAS - Russia does not have a table for 500 different venue and carrier of a worker of this weight category .Mo-o-o-o-ozh can be, if GDP is stressful, it will be on the ,, East "year of commercials .... 2025-2030. But this is still in a bright future and not only the availability of money. Well, maybe suddenly some alternative chemical barrels dviglo and viman appear. Also an option.
          1. marshes
            marshes April 30 2016 18: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: avt
            In reality, graters began when the National Academy of Sciences, on the rights of a space power, wanted to get into, is our land and our spaceport "a club of commercial launches

            But you were paid with real money, a decent amount, for Baiterek as your says Where is the money Zin ...
            Quote: avt
            Today, Russia has fought back and left with minimal losses in the gap to a whole platform for the seven

            Yes, nevermind, they are afraid of the Stockholm Arbitration. Money is then paid for by Baiterek, a small percentage has already run up.
            And so they wanted to decide in general peacefully, here the Zeniths suggested.
            KYSATS that you launched, the first was lost the second, painful, were not insured. So 25 years ago did not pass perhaps criminal cases to raise ... And so we are trying to solve problems peacefully.
            1. avt
              avt April 30 2016 21: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: marshes
              But you were paid with real money, a decent amount, for Baiterek as your says Where is the money Zin ...

              Quote: avt
              . That's where the bilateral crayons and big dirty tricks started between Kakhzakhstan and Russia

              And here I will not believe that under this it’s normal, our and your rats haven’t welded. There is little to steal, it is necessary that the opposite side quietly write off the losses .... objective wassat
              Quote: marshes
              Yes, nevermind, they are afraid of the Stockholm Arbitration. Money is then paid for by Baiterek, a small percentage has already run up.

              laughing Yes, what an arbitration! laughing Normally, the boys parted with their edges and ran along the mink with the attendants.
              Quote: marshes
              And so they wanted to decide in general peacefully, here the Zeniths suggested.

              no I don’t think, honestly - I don’t know the nuances, but it looks like yours really wanted to take a fully working unit. And then there is such an ambush with the Maidan. Well, at our commerce, Sea Launch turned out to be a suitcase without a handle, well, because I even had to quickly, from Angara, turn from light to heavy in Plisetsk, but Kazakhstan was a yok, quite specifically. Of course, you can order a satellite from the Franks and even do it better than ours, who sort of screwed up the previous couple, and actually did, but let it in with the Kuru ,, Union. "
              Quote: marshes
              .And so peacefully trying to solve problems.

              Well glitches about the great space power do not let go of your leadership laughing , they’re trying to drag ,, Angara "to Baikonur, well, I already wrote about it and there’s nothing to add. This was the N-1 platform under the Buran" in the USSR ... well, it was the USSR! And now ..... Well, in general, I do not want to repeat .... Well, somehow I do not believe in the development of Baikonur. requestBy the way, Brazilians also came with a maidan specifically ... by the status of a space power and with their space center under the Dnepr, it seems.
              1. marshes
                marshes April 30 2016 21: 35 New
                +2
                Quote: avt
                Yes, what an arbitration!

                The real and the whole package of documents is that, according to the legal framework, they can, here the Bolashakites help. But the Russian Federation does not want this.
                For other cases laughing
                Ours are stealing something, but so that they wouldn’t point a finger at relatives, they will steal completely. Yes, in principle, 70% remains in the KZ.
                Quote: avt
                Well glitches about the great space power do not let go of your leadership

                Yes, and to hell with them, it would be easier to establish the release of OTRK at the beginning, but they learned to mix bitumen with potassium permanganate. smile
  • tanit
    tanit April 30 2016 16: 13 New
    0
    A hellish menagerie will conquer the motors (already howled) ... But - no, gentlemen, the battle has not ended.
  • tanit
    tanit April 30 2016 16: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: marshes
    Quote: tanit
    I did not read for a long time, the "Swamps" receiver of Nursultan.

    Where? laughing I’m not Shaprashty.
    I really know someone ... laughing

    laughing Well .... So not that Bolat laughing The one from turuna.
    1. marshes
      marshes April 30 2016 16: 57 New
      0
      Quote: tanit
      Well .... So it’s not that Bolat Thoth from Tura.

      And what, did not refuse laughing Everyone found a job laughing
      DOGS gold somehow ... silver and Monuments of silver ... laughing
      For coins, that we have chic designers and artists. Enamel is not enough.
      New Zealand, where mutton is 4-6 times the country's population.
  • tanit
    tanit April 30 2016 17: 01 New
    0
    It seems that they are quite adult people. It seems quite pro-Russian .... But why - "D, B"?
  • Kibl
    Kibl April 30 2016 19: 46 New
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    We must not allow Baikonur to be overgrown with weeds and weeds. Even if space launches cease, buy this land from Kazakhstan! Be a museum !!!
    1. marshes
      marshes April 30 2016 19: 47 New
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      Quote: KIBL
      We must not allow Baikonur to be overgrown with weeds and weeds. Even if space launches cease, buy this land from Kazakhstan! Be a museum !!!

      Everything will be in Azhur, read above.
  • 33797
    33797 11 May 2016 17: 55 New
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    Dear author, 2.06.1955 is a city day, not 2.07. Please correct.