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Practice guofanshen

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The Chinese system of personnel training for the defense industry complex is worthy of study, and maybe imitation


China has an extensive system of training for the defense industry, which includes both engineering faculties of leading technical universities and a number of large universities directly subordinate to the State Administration of Defense Science, Engineering and Industry. At the same time, according to the national ratings, a number of specialized “military-industrial” institutions of higher education are among the leading ones in the PRC.

Military institutions of higher education also play a certain role in the training of specialists in the military-industrial complex. Some of them, for example, the PLA Information Technology University of Engineering, belong to the largest research centers in their fields.

Student officers


For Chinese military-industrial companies is characterized by extremely close relations with leading universities, including those not included in the sectoral system. The “defense” of the PRC is generally encouraged by the state to cooperate closely with civil science and industry. Such interaction, accompanied by the placement of orders for R & D outside the military-industrial complex and the exchange of technologies, is considered as a priority for the development of the industry since 80-s and relies on specially created organizational structures. This is, in particular, the integration department in the Ministry of Industry and Information. The result of such cooperation is close contacts between the defense industry and civilian university science, which creates conditions for successful cooperation in personnel training. The teaching staff of the leading technical universities subordinate to the Ministry of Education of China, on a permanent basis, cooperates with both the enterprises of the military-industrial complex and the People’s Liberation Army of China itself.

Since the end of 90, the country has a system of training military and military engineering personnel based on large civilian universities, modeled on the American Corps of Training Reserve Officers (ROTC). At the initial stage of the reform, the goal was to bring the percentage of graduates of civilian universities (the so-called defense students - gofanshen) to at least 60 from the annual replenishment of the PLA officer corps. As far as can be judged, it has not yet been achieved. Nevertheless, civilian universities have already become an important tool for training officers. The system also allows the PLA to provide first-class specialists its extensive network of military missions in defense enterprises. Subsequently, many of the officers who received training in relevant areas, continue to work in the defense industry. In general, for university management, meeting the needs of the defense industry and the PLA is one of the key performance indicators.

Along with the release of army cadres, targeted training programs for the defense industry complex have been launched at major civilian universities. Their participants, like the gofanshen, undergo a customized course developed for them, receive special scholarships and study at the state expense. And later they are obliged to work out the distribution at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex for a certain period, as a rule, within six years.

Career Factory

Targeted training systems for the army and defense industry play the role of social elevators, allowing program participants to access free education in the most famous Chinese universities. For example, one of the most prestigious Chinese universities - Tsinghua (Beijing), which occupies 47th place in the World Times ranking, is the largest forge of personnel for nuclear, missile and aviation industry. He leads a training program for officers in technical specialties.

The defense industry corporations of the People's Republic of China - 10 specialized holdings and the Chinese Academy of Engineering Physics (developer and manufacturer of nuclear weapons) are not limited to the replenishment that came from targeted programs. They conduct a constant and very active search for talents among the entire mass of students. For this purpose, constant communication with university departments of employment is maintained, which are regularly provided with information about vacancies.

With such attention to the establishment of interaction with civilian science, the leadership of the Chinese defense industry complex continues to systematically develop seven subordinate universities. All of them are currently among the leading universities of China and are participating in the "211 program" - a project for the priority development of 100 national universities. They are actively represented in the international arena. For example, the Beijing Polytechnic (PPU) is a participant in the project of the Joint Russian-Chinese International University in partnership with Moscow State University.

At present, PPU has about 29 thousands of full-time students and trains specialists in almost the whole range of specialties demanded by the defense industry, starting from microelectronics, aviation and space technology and ending with pharmaceuticals and biotechnologies - total 60 positions in the undergraduate degree. PPU is among the ten best universities in the country in the national ranking.

Harbin - ships and missiles


Harbin Polytechnic University has a slightly smaller scale (about 25 thousand people) and a narrower specialization. HCP plays a special role in the release of personnel for the rocket industry. It is also the most important center for training space technology developers. And, by the way, one of ten universities in the world, capable of independently designing and producing space satellites. PPU and HPU are among 39 Chinese universities participating in the “985 program”. It assumes targeted subsidies to leading universities, from which as a result positions are expected to rise in international rankings.

Harbin University of Engineering grew out of the former PLA Military Engineering University. The most important specialization of the university at the present time is the training of shipbuilders, hydroacoustic specialists, energy specialists and special engineering structures in the interests of the space and aviation industries. The university enrolls about 15 thousand people in undergraduate and more than eight thousand in the magistracy. There are large scientific centers in it, occupied, in particular, by atomic technologies and the creation of underwater vehicles.

Nanjing looks to the sky

Practice guofanshenAnother center of education in the interests of the MIC is Nanking, where two universities are located: aeronautics and astronautics (LSAA) and polytechnic (NPU). NOAA is the most important specialized center for the training of design engineers for aviation and space technology, as well as representatives of other specialties demanded by aircraft and air transport. The university enrolls about 15 thousand people.

NPU with its 22 by thousands of students is a general technological university that grew out of the former PLA engineering and artillery institute. Unlike PPU and HPU, NPU has a slightly larger proportion of civilian specialties. His strengths are information technology, he also has a powerful engineering and chemical department.

Northwest Polytechnic University, located in the city of Xi'an, trains 14,4 thousand people in undergraduate studies and about eight thousand in master's programs. Here specialists are trained and carried out weapons developments in the interests of the Navy and Air Force, as well as in the field of aviation instrumentation. In particular, the university is considered the most important center for the development of technologies for the production of torpedoes and sea mines. Another rapidly developing specialization of the university is unmanned aircraft.

Talents will not be lost

The system of seven technical universities under the control of the Ministry of Industry and Informatization allows the leadership of the Chinese defense industrial complex to centrally develop its own research base in the most important areas, avoiding fragmentation of resources between sectoral corporations, sometimes competing with each other. In addition, it provides an opportunity to build a system of training in accordance with the specific needs of the industry. At the same time, military-industrial universities strive to maximize the development of international contacts and integration into world science. Acting on a nationwide program for the development of higher education, they establish partnerships with foreign companies and universities, attract teachers and students from abroad.

At the same time, the industry does not close at work with subordinate educational institutions, it is actively working to expand partnerships with leading civil universities. This allows the Chinese defense industry to compete effectively for talents with dynamic enterprises of the high-tech civilian sector. The advantages of the defense industry are considered to be a higher level of social protection of workers and high prestige at a competitive salary level.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 28 2016 21: 23
    +31
    Somewhere this already happened ... what THE USSR? yes
    1. Dimontius
      Dimontius April 28 2016 21: 39
      +9
      I wanted to write the same thing, but in search of exact numbers I came across a fresh article, I invite you to read it:
      Too many graduates: the number of students in China has grown seven-fold in 10 years.
      The number of students in China has grown from 1 million to 7 million between 1998-2010, according to The Economist. Between 1999 and 2009, Chinese universities hired approximately 900 new full-time faculty members. Now the number of graduates in China is greater than in America and India combined, but the authorities set a goal by 000 to ensure that 2020% of young people study at universities - this is about a hundred million people! An unimaginable figure equal to the population of large European countries.
      Apparently, the employment of graduates, who are engaged in another department, is of great concern to the Chinese authorities. It came to the point that almost at the official level, authorities urge students to start working right during their studies - to open their own business. Unsettled graduates are a powerful factor in social instability, it’s enough to recall that, as a rule, the leaders of major uprisings in the history of China were formed from them.
      The Economist also notes that the number of students in the world is growing faster than global GDP and faster than the rate of growth in the number of cars that have about the same rate as global GDP grows. Global involvement in higher education - the proportion of young people (age appropriate to study) who entered universities increased from 14% to 32% between 1992-2012. Some countries, such as South Korea, where almost everyone studies at university, may have reached saturation points. In others, phenomenal growth continues to be observed. The number of countries with a level of involvement of more than half increased from 5 to 54 over the indicated period. +
      Kirill Khoroshilov
      "South China", 10.04.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A April 28 2016 22: 10
        +16
        Quote: Dimontius
        the number of students in the world is growing faster than global GDP and faster than the growth rate of the number of cars that have about the same rate as global GDP grows. Global involvement in higher education - the proportion of young people (age appropriate to study) who entered universities increased from 14% to 32% between 1992-2012. Some countries, such as South Korea, where almost everyone studies at university, may have reached saturation points.

        Interestingly, did our higher education reach a saturation point?

        Considering how many universities (or rather, sharag, issuing diplomas for money) were closed, even those that remained - in Russia today universities 4 timesthan in the whole of the USSR! And historian students (5 year) answer that Hitler was called Napoleon. 2nd year students, future PR specialists, do not know where the Volga flows into. They don’t even know which way the Volga flows if you go to the city beach ...

        Examples from life - every day the wife tries to reach the remnants of the brain of these rams. Earlier, 30-40 years ago, they were not allowed to attend the session for a skip-the-line laboratory session, now only 25 people sit at lectures - it's good if 3 ... The main thing is that they regularly pay for "training". And people like my wife, teachers of the old formation, are sitting in an empty auditorium, waiting for truants at a lecture ...

        So, do we have enough waiters at McDonald's and merchandisers at Auchan with a higher education (or rather, with a cardboard box about obtaining one) or not?
        1. cap
          cap April 29 2016 02: 22
          +4
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Quote: Dimontius
          the number of students in the world is growing faster than global GDP and faster than the growth rate of the number of cars that have about the same rate as global GDP grows. Global involvement in higher education - the proportion of young people (age appropriate to study) who entered universities increased from 14% to 32% between 1992-2012. Some countries, such as South Korea, where almost everyone studies at university, may have reached saturation points.

          Interestingly, did our higher education reach a saturation point?

          Considering how many universities (or rather, sharag, issuing diplomas for money) were closed, even those that remained - in Russia today universities 4 timesthan in the whole of the USSR! And historian students (5 year) answer that Hitler was called Napoleon. 2nd year students, future PR specialists, do not know where the Volga flows into. They don’t even know which way the Volga flows if you go to the city beach ...

          Examples from life - every day the wife tries to reach the remnants of the brain of these rams. Earlier, 30-40 years ago, they were not allowed to attend the session for a skip-the-line laboratory session, now only 25 people sit at lectures - it's good if 3 ... The main thing is that they regularly pay for "training". And people like my wife, teachers of the old formation, are sitting in an empty auditorium, waiting for truants at a lecture ...

          So, do we have enough waiters at McDonald's and merchandisers at Auchan with a higher education (or rather, with a cardboard box about obtaining one) or not?


          Own research.
          The moon is what-the-answer-planet.
          The answer to the question:
          How many planets in the solar system are the Sun, Earth, Moon, Mars, Jupiter.

          I probably betrayed a state secret.
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      2. Asadullah
        Asadullah April 29 2016 00: 09
        +3
        Apparently, the employment of graduates, who are engaged in another department, is of great concern to the Chinese authorities. It came to the point that almost at the official level, authorities urge students to start working right during their studies - to open their own business. Unsettled graduates are a powerful factor in social instability, it’s enough to recall that, as a rule, the leaders of major uprisings in the history of China were formed from them.


        The problem is far-fetched. In China, the state is not obliged to employ a graduate. Who received his education for his money. This is the same as requiring the seller to refuel gasoline to the buyer. A student is already looking for a job from the very beginning of training. There are plenty of those who have been educated and work as a seller in a stall. An interesting feature of Chinese literacy, I used to think that the civilization of hieroglyphs, higher civilization, since the information is extremely compressed into a symbol with the ability to develop such. That is, you take a look and understand what the Latin alphabet should be written on the page of the printed text. It turned out not, each character must be read, and then combine the meaning into a whole. From that only very educated and developed people can read hieroglyphs fluently. What surprised me with the example of taxi drivers, give me a business card in Moscow, a split second and the driver drove off, and was already talking about politics. A few seconds pass in Beijing for the driver to understand what is written. Double-checks on the road. But speech and communication are certainly unique, talking in changing tones is really a powerful thing.
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich April 29 2016 02: 38
        0
        I wanted to write the same thing, but in search of exact numbers I came across a fresh article, I invite you to read it: “South China”, 10.04.2015
        year-old, not very fresh ... but probably nothing has changed ...
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A April 28 2016 21: 43
      +13
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Somewhere this already happened ... what THE USSR? yes

      Also to me - they found someone to imitate! And from whom did the Chinese blow off their military departments and targeted training?

      For 25 years, of course, we have forgotten how in the same baumanka, for some reason, foresters were now hired, they took a course - 25 people in directions from enterprises - and that's all, they don't get any more. There were 5-7 to the diploma - and enough. Here you have a highly specialized training. My son studied with a friend in the early 80s - without triplets he received a scholarship for one and a half hundred - from the Moscow Region, from the future employer, from the state, and from someone else ....

      An article for those who studied in the 2000s, when military departments were either killed or turned into a booth, and do not know who the "jackets" are in the army. The article tells not about how nishtyak in China, but how to and how we once had ...

      In Soviet times, any TEC, any engineering department in any troops, three-quarters of the "jackets" were completed, there were competent and trained men. And multiplied by golden hands and "magic suitcases" of ensigns and "crickets" are generally wizards. Therefore, they sometimes performed miracles that no "British scientist" would dream of in an erotic dream ... Compare with Serdyukovsky outsourcing ...
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 April 28 2016 22: 50
        +3
        Oddly enough, this forest university, attached to the MSTU, also trained electronic specialists for rocket science. Faculty of Electronics and Systems Engineering.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets April 28 2016 23: 32
          +1
          Quote: Sergej1972
          Oddly enough, this forest university, attached to the MSTU, also trained electronic specialists for rocket science. Faculty of Electronics and Systems Engineering.
          YOU will take an interest in what * high-performance agricultural machines and mechanisms * KB-2 MSZM developed. They knew how to mask personnel training and design bureaus in the USSR.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A April 29 2016 02: 55
          +2
          Quote: Sergej1972
          This university of the forest, attached to MSTU, oddly enough, He also trained electronic specialists for rocket science. Faculty of Electronics and Systems Engineering.

          Doubly strange ... It’s like when the Polytech prepares economists-accountants or aviation-brewers ..... Well, that's okay, it's okay ... It prepares pedagogical taxi drivers and merchandisers for "Ashan" - anyone, except teachers ...
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null April 29 2016 03: 09
            +2
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Quote: Sergej1972
            This forest university also trained electronics specialists for rocket science. Faculty of Electronics and Systems Engineering.

            It’s doubly strange ... It’s like when the Polytech prepares economists-accountants or aviation-brewers ..

            The fact is, staff .. (s) wink

            Moscow State Forest University located (since 1943) in the city of Korolev MO. There was nothing more like institutions in this outback. laughing

            And on March 19, 1959 "within its walls" the Faculty of Electronics and Systems Engineering (FEST) was formed at the MLTI (MGUL) with the aim of training specialists for the rocket and space industry of the country - so to speak, "closer to the body."

            Because in Korolyov, which was then called Kaliningrad, TsNIIMash, Energy and other space-oriented offices worked already then.

            And the same S.P. Korolev was in charge of all this economy ..

            Here is such a simple story yes
    3. poquello
      poquello April 28 2016 22: 24
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Somewhere this already happened ... what THE USSR? yes

      and that was right
      1. cap
        cap April 29 2016 02: 31
        +1
        Quote: poquello
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Somewhere this already happened ... what THE USSR? yes

        and that was right


        The USSR survived in conditions not comparable with today's.
        Priceless experience, anyone would use it.
        "Curators" strictly monitor that each cricket knows his six.
        Start with the origins of the education reform, every second to the brickwork at the mausoleum "talk". am
    4. Homo
      Homo April 29 2016 02: 02
      +1
      Quote: Vladimirets
      de then it was already ... the USSR?

      That's it. It’s necessary not to learn Chinese experience, but to remember your own!
  2. Pirogov
    Pirogov April 28 2016 21: 34
    0
    What is surprising in China is that, along with overt poverty in the north, the south is growing fat and prosperous, and education is so established because the country of the Soviets is no matter how.
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov April 28 2016 21: 36
      +3
      I am amazed how the Chinese work in detail. An educational and special officer theme is a sore subject in Russia. When they get to a citizen at a venerable age, these people turn out to be unadaptive to civilian life and get into security structures where you can not think. The president ordered the restoration of military acceptance so that people receive landmarks about the future.
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus April 28 2016 22: 16
      +3
      Quote: Pirogov
      What is surprising in China is that, along with the outright poverty in the north, the south is growing fat and thriving

      Another "expert". When was the last time you visited the PRC? Compare Dalian, Harbin, Shenyang with Blagoveshchensk, Vladivostok, Khabarovsk. And if you do not have the opportunity to go to the PRC, you can watch Baidu, this is a Chinese opera system, there are interactive maps of the PRC and compare with Google's views of Russian cities.
      PS It is especially true that you write from Ukraine and talk about "poverty" in the PRC. It's like repeating from Burkina Faso about poverty in the United States.
      1. Alexdark
        Alexdark April 29 2016 00: 25
        +1
        Yeah, everyone in China is rich and lives on clean streets. Mostly poverty, and gouging trash species. Throughout the markets, fish and potatoes are cut right on the pavement, laundry with a dozen offspring is washed through the meter. A connoisseur was found, on Google panoramas the world learns.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus April 29 2016 02: 45
          +1
          Quote: AlexDARK
          A connoisseur was found, on Google panoramas the world learns.

          Citizen, can you read? I just do not know the world on Google maps, but I send a person directly to the PRC - ". When was the last time you were in the PRC? Compare Dalian, Harbin, Shenyang with Blagoveshchensk, Vladivostok, Khabarovsk." there are no opportunities to watch the shooting on Baida and compare with the cities of Russia. " Ferstein?
          Quote: AlexDARK
          Yeah, everyone in China is rich and lives on clean streets.

          You have the same problems with logic as with reading. Do you understand the difference between "outright poverty" and "everyone lives richly"? Or are there only two gradations in your world? Of course, in China, "not everyone lives richly and on clean streets."
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar April 29 2016 10: 58
        -1
        Razgovory o * nisete * -projavlenie banalnoj zavisti ...
    3. Amurets
      Amurets April 28 2016 23: 54
      +4
      Quote: Pirogov
      What is surprising in China is that, along with overt poverty in the north, the south is growing fat and prosperous, and education is so established because the country of the Soviets is no matter how.

      Opposite my Blagoveshchensk there is a Chinese Heihe and something special poverty is not visible there, and the distance between the cities is 600-800 meters. Unfortunately the photos of this city did not appear in the comment. Http://heihe.azbuka.tv/ This is a link to Heihe and this one too.
      http://daypic.ru/travel/26725
  3. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 28 2016 21: 42
    +7
    Somehow, I will not name "who", I said directly on the air that it is not profitable for the state to train a large number of specialists, it is expensive, etc. and they often do not find application in their specialty, and therefore the general strategy of higher and special education will now "shift" towards "commercialization", that is, paid education-type enterprises, companies and others must themselves either train the personnel they need, or pay for their training, or even better "write out" ready-made, already "trained" from abroad, so as not to contain "excessive" number of universities. We are now "reaping" the fruits of such an approach, and we will "reap" for a long time if nothing changes.
  4. Yak28
    Yak28 April 28 2016 21: 45
    +3
    Quote: Pirogov
    What is surprising in China is that, along with the outright poverty in the north, the south is growing fat and thriving

    Namely, several million Chinese people will live richly enough to notice that hundreds of millions live in poverty and work for food, and these guys are not communism, but capitalism in the costume of a communist. And so that the poor masses of the population who are treated by the rich do not rebel their brains are littered with lies having perverted communist ideology. There is no communism in China, this is a capt country wink
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus April 28 2016 21: 56
      +4
      Quote: Yak28

      Namely, several million Chinese people will live richly enough to notice that hundreds of millions live in poverty and work for food, and these guys are not communism, but capitalism in the costume of a communist.

      Damn, but where do you come from such "experts"?
      The average salary in Chengdu is 5 yuan- 268 Russian rubles. This is not counting the distribution of social benefits.
      PS I’m absolutely sure that you can’t even imagine what Chengdu is, so for you: Chengdu is such a provincial city in Central China
  5. Odysseus
    Odysseus April 28 2016 21: 48
    +10
    We need not to imitate, but to restore our Soviet. This is the Chinese imitated us, not we to them.
  6. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental April 28 2016 21: 54
    +4
    The Chinese may be cool, but they don’t put a penny on the environment ... in this regard, they need to be restrained. Eat crap and breed incredibly ..
    1. Bramb
      Bramb April 29 2016 05: 34
      0
      They have some kind of genetic: they spit on nature and purity in general! The Chinese do not understand why it is impossible to eat and not litter in the car. It’s so dirty in everything! Eating, champing, splashing in all directions, garbage, yelling, making noise during a conversation ... They don’t have an understanding of ecology and culture. The Chinese will easily demolish 5-thousand-year-old buildings in order to build a warehouse in its place - and no one will bother about ancient history there.
      So, do not think well about the Chinese: this is the hotbed. Like a klopovnik in the old Khrushchev.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar April 29 2016 11: 04
        -1
        Zaviduem molca.
  7. atamankko
    atamankko April 28 2016 22: 00
    +4
    To restore the destroyed education system,
    and then start reforming with caution,
    and not with a sledgehammer named exam.
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny April 28 2016 22: 06
      +2
      koya in the hands of a certain Lebanon (sorry for swearing obscene)
  8. Yarik76
    Yarik76 April 28 2016 22: 02
    +4
    There is no need to chase China for them their own way - we have our own. Russia is the space "rocket" btv, China is the mass production of consumer goods and copies!
  9. AID.S
    AID.S April 28 2016 22: 08
    +2
    Higher education they have the wrong system. Not Bologna.
    We should be in their place ....
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A April 28 2016 22: 32
      +8
      Quote: AID.S
      Higher education they have the wrong system. Not Bologna.
      We should be in their place ....

      The costs of the "Bologna", or rather, the devil knows whose system - the wife tried to show the students at the lecture "Ordinary Fascism" M. Romm. They sat, their eyes closed with their paws in fear, and the forty-year-old liberal leadership of the department reprimanded her for "planting Soviet propaganda." And, for a minute - this is not Estonia or Ukraine - quite our Volga region ... So much for Bologna. So much for the system ... Standards, damn it, higher education .... negative
  10. Verdun
    Verdun April 28 2016 22: 28
    +1
    China is systematically moving forward. And his leadership is firmly convinced that getting a higher education a person becomes better, more perfect. It is not to be afraid, unlike some, to manage educated citizens. Not trying to turn a nation into a bunch of poorly educated mediocrity. That says a lot.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 28 2016 22: 48
      +2
      Quote: Verdun
      ... is not trying to turn the nation into a bunch of poorly educated mediocrity ...

      - You're talking about the exam, probably? Then I will disappoint you now .. to the impossibility:
      - The Chinese entrance exam at the university (Gaokao, 高考) is, in fact, an analogue of our exam belay
      - these are also tests, and they are also processed automatically to exclude the possibility .. um .. of the help wink

      And yet -

      Quote: Verdun
      China is steadily moving forward

      - so I’m thinking .. maybe it’s not in EHE that is at all?
      1. Verdun
        Verdun April 28 2016 23: 06
        +3
        - The Chinese entrance exam at the university (Gaokao, 高考) is, in fact, an analogue of our exam
        My elder last year entered the university. Something I did not even notice there such entrance exams ... And the point, of course, is not in the exam. More precisely - not only in the exam. Examination at the very least allows you to judge the availability of knowledge, and not the ability to properly apply them. Education is a systemic thing. When there are too many rotten bricks, the building collapses and buries both the right and the guilty under its rubble.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null April 28 2016 23: 30
          0
          Quote: Verdun
          My elder last year entered the university. Something I did not notice there even such entrance exams ... And, of course, the point is not in the exam

          - we have the exam - this is graduation at school. The scores are admitted to the university. As I understand it, without entrance exams (I could be wrong)
          - In China, the Unified State Exam (tests) - namely, entrance exams at the university. By the way, those caught there with a cheat sheet are excommunicated from the possibility of admission .. for life belay
          - I myself wrote these tests at least five in my life. Certification exams from Melkosoft - they are similarly arranged. Only there is another ambush: if the questions are in Russian, it is much more difficult to pass, than in angelic. Because the translation .. crooked, to put it mildly laughing
          - I can say - with talentedly drawn up questions, I have to think about it. That is, just a "sum of knowledge" - you won't get off request

          Quote: Verdun
          Unified state examination allows you to judge the availability of knowledge, and not the ability to properly apply them

          - well, actually, when entering a university, the "amount of knowledge" is enough. And in the university itself, seminars, labs and oral exams, as I understand it, have not yet been canceled. This is where "the ability to apply" appears.

          Quote: Verdun
          Education is a systemic thing. When there are too many rotten bricks, the building collapses and buries the right and the guilty under its rubble.

          - a deep thought .. I drowned in it .. if I have not bored you yet - continue, plz ..
          1. Amurets
            Amurets April 28 2016 23: 43
            +4
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - well, actually, when entering a university, the "amount of knowledge" is enough. And in the university itself, seminars, labs and oral exams, as I understand it, have not yet been canceled. This is where "the ability to apply" appears.

            Our teachers said: “Your head is not a trash bin, you don’t need to put everything there. Know how to work with reference books.” And most importantly: we were taught to think logically. It was in the early 70s and there were no laptops then so we could take on a business trip For that, the tables of algorithms for troubleshooting should be known by the teeth.
          2. Verdun
            Verdun April 29 2016 10: 42
            0
            - well, actually, when entering a university, the "amount of knowledge" is enough. And in the university itself, seminars, labs and oral exams, as I understand it, have not yet been canceled. This is where "the ability to apply" appears.
            Maybe I will be original, but the ability to think and analyze, the ability to use the knowledge gained should be inculcated in a person back in school. It is much easier for the classroom teacher to do this than in the classroom during the lecture. A university should already complement the knowledge and skills acquired at school. At the same time, I agree that in some branches of knowledge, tests can be used as an examination method. The question is how these tests are compiled. I have not seen Chinese, I can not judge, and ours are very miserable.
  11. Selendis
    Selendis April 28 2016 22: 35
    +3
    It's simple, the main resource is not money, but people and their knowledge, and opportunities)))
  12. Yak28
    Yak28 April 28 2016 22: 39
    +2
    Quote: Odyssey
    We need not to imitate, but to restore our Soviet.

    All Soviet Russian authorities, with the support of actors, singers and other recognizable people, have been watered for more than 20 years, have you woken up recently? The anti-Soviet regime is now in power, Putin himself condemned the activities of Vladimir Ilyich, the Yeltsin center has been opened, and you are dreaming of everything about the Soviet Union. Our people have fooled communism because of its stupidity, it’s too late to shake the air wink
  13. acetophenon
    acetophenon April 28 2016 22: 57
    +4
    And when I studied at the LTI them. Lensoviet, at the department of dyes and phototropic compounds there were still people who worked with ten students (yes, yes, the study groups were small) who came home every month to the head. the department, and over a cup of tea they told him about what they had learned and outlined plans for further education. Collectively.
    This was called the "colloquium". Taught by the Masters. And taught Engineers and Scientists.
    But that is gone. And NEVER will return. So ... you need to somehow live on. Remember what Stalin answered Faddev when he began to whine about shitty writers?
    “I have no other writers for you”
  14. Orionvit
    Orionvit April 28 2016 22: 58
    +3
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Somewhere this already happened ... what THE USSR? yes

    We have the entire faculty (radio instrument engineering), initially it trained specialists exclusively for the defense industry. We have never had foreigners, unlike other faculties. And a scholarship instead of 40 rubles. as in all faculties, was 55 rubles. 15 rub paid by the Ministry of Defense, which immediately gave us prestige.
  15. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 28 2016 23: 16
    +3
    Imitation is a constant lag.
    We must revive our education system ...
  16. konvalval
    konvalval April 28 2016 23: 27
    +2
    With our Minister of Education, prepare staff for everything.
  17. aba
    aba April 29 2016 00: 07
    +3
    What can I say about the article ?!
    First, destroy everything, and then look for someone to imitate ?!
    As a graduate of Baumanka in the 80s, I’ll say that all this happened in the USSR as well: relations with the military, practical work at defense industry enterprises, defense of a diploma at the place of distribution, and choice of topic according to the profile of future work, etc.
    So an article from me "-"
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 29 2016 05: 18
    +2
    What is good in the article I saw is the career guidance and tracking of students with specific interests.
    Well, they probably know how to interest students, so that they would not go into trade and not abroad.
    And we would have to do a normal technical secondary with subsequent growth to the tower.
    Yes, and the tower itself would be "combed", not to clog the children's brain with any left garbage.
    Or if you score, then so that knowledge would be relevant.
    Otherwise, a person teaches, surrenders ... and forgets.
  19. Nitarius
    Nitarius April 29 2016 05: 43
    +2
    nothing is needed .... RETURN THE EDUCATION OF THE USSR! and that’s all .. and the cadres will grow and the people will be with brains!
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  21. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 29 2016 06: 28
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    Quote: Nitarius
    nothing is needed .... RETURN THE EDUCATION OF THE USSR! and that’s all .. and the frames will grow and people will be with brains!

    If education reformers had brains, then they wouldn’t need to return anything.
    1. goose
      goose April 29 2016 10: 51
      0
      The reformers are former threesomes; these reforms are revenge for honors for their happy childhood.
  22. Papapg
    Papapg April 29 2016 06: 36
    +2
    Quote: Dimontius
    Too many graduates: the number of students in China has grown seven-fold in 10 years.
    The number of students in China increased from 1 million to 7 million between 1998-2010


    Half a billion people are not so many.
  23. rusmat73
    rusmat73 April 29 2016 09: 44
    0
    studied at the Izhevsk Industrial College (IIT) - he was supervised by the Ministry of Defense, there are NO complaints about my education, only pride over the past years of study and practice !!! . and EVERYONE who has learned there I think will confirm my opinion. after transferring the technical school to the guardianship of the minobra and the collapse of the industrial park of Izhevsk enterprises (not only in Izhevsk, but also in Russia), it will be difficult to return to its former greatness. Vocational schools and technical schools, and universities - worked ultimately for the benefit of the motherland, in one bundle. in the late 90s they cut the entire system as best they could - admired Western values. Yes, and now the direction of the Ministry of Education - only the rich should have higher education - the rest should work and work ... with him in schools, that a 4th grade student, that 9th or 11th are experiencing drop dead emotional stresses ... many get frustrated by such studies, running for tutors - a separate story ...
    I hope our Motherland is not a party!) Will restore the learning process no worse than it was in the USSR! hi
  24. Verdun
    Verdun April 29 2016 12: 16
    0
    school teachers win wars
    That was a clever man, Otto von Bismarck. Interestingly, Dmitri Viktorovich Livanov read it?