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The government of Crimea said that they themselves can build ships of the type "Mistral"

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The Kerch plant "Zaliv" is able to build large ships like the Mistral helicopter carrier, it reports RIA News report of the Minister of Industrial Policy of Crimea Andriy Vasiuta.




“Plant" Zaliv "is a unique enterprise. Such a shipyard and such a dry dock, which is at the factory "Zaliv", not a single shipyard of the Russian Federation. By and large, the Mistral issue would never have been there if 5 years ago, when orders took place, there was a shipyard like the Kerch Zaliv plant, ”the minister said.

“In the dry dock 360 meters long and 60 meters wide, you can simultaneously build several ships, while the plant is technically ready to build large-sized ships of the Mistral type. We need only technology, we need projects, we need competence. Today, this is not yet at the factory, but this is all acquisible, ”he stressed.

According to him, shipyards degraded, being on the Ukrainian territory, and require modernization.

“The first of the problems we have encountered is the large depreciation of fixed assets and, as a result, the need for substantial modernization of these enterprises. It’s not a secret to anyone that all of the 23 years of being a part of Ukraine is practically a process of degradation of these enterprises, a gradual decrease in orders, a gradual decrease in competence, ”
noted Vasuta.

And then "the shipyards are faced with the problem of the outflow of highly qualified personnel, who began to return only after the reunification of the peninsula with Russia," he added.

Help Agency: “Shipyard" Zaliv "is located in Kerch and has two technological lines for the construction of ships. The plant is known as the builder of military frigates. For the last 20 years, the plant has mainly built hulls of dry cargo ships and bulk carriers, fulfilled orders for drilling platforms and was engaged in ship repair. ”
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  1. shans2
    shans2 April 27 2016 16: 51
    +26
    formally, he could also build aircraft carriers, he can build ships up to 150 thousand tons and more with a displacement.
    1. Michael67
      Michael67 April 27 2016 16: 55
      +11
      To establish the construction of surface ships and submarines for KChF.
      The savings are substantial. And profitability.
      Just have to invest is not sickly. It is better not to restore, but to completely modernize production lines.
      1. volot-voin
        volot-voin April 27 2016 17: 02
        +24
        Quote: Michael67
        Just have to invest is not sickly. It is better not to restore, but to completely modernize production lines.

        Have to invest anyway. It is only better to invest in native plants than in someone else's defense, buying Mistral. I fully support Crimeans in the most important task of strengthening the country's defense capability. The development of shipbuilding is highly qualified specialists, science, equipment, and of course independence.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 April 27 2016 18: 12
          +8
          Quote: volot-voin
          Have to invest anyway.

          ... the Crimean "Zaliv" has another advantage ... the climatic zone ... these are different prices for construction and a simpler technological cycle, when the bridge is put into operation, the delivery of metal and equipment will not only decrease in time, but also cost ... hi
          1. cniza
            cniza April 27 2016 18: 36
            +5
            God grant, but you need to start small, restore the base, staff, and then the big work will come.
            1. Samaritan
              Samaritan April 27 2016 21: 42
              +19
              It is amazing why VO does not write about this ... In the city of Kerch, at the Zaliv shipyard, the opening ceremony of the Block of Hull Shops No. 1 (BCC-1) was held after reconstruction. Large-scale reconstruction with a total area of ​​21 thousand square meters. m was conducted over the past few months. Work was carried out to repair the roof, renew the storm sewer, restore the natural lighting of the workshop, supply water and provide compressed air and industrial gases, and install machine and lifting equipment.
              This workshop can be used for civil shipbuilding of any displacement, here it is also planned to place orders for the construction of bridge metal structures. Currently, the reconstructed workshop is ready to provide 156 jobs, the number of which is planned to be increased.
              1. poquello
                poquello April 27 2016 21: 58
                +1
                Quote: Samaritan
                .In the city of Kerch at the Zaliv shipyard, the opening ceremony of the Block of Hull Shops No. 1 (BCC-1) was held ...

                probably the scale of the plant cosmetics, here the swing can be more serious
              2. NordUral
                NordUral April 29 2016 11: 10
                0
                Such news is nice to read, and not enthusiastic blah blah about anything. And the Black Sea Fleet to build houses much better
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      2. poquello
        poquello April 27 2016 17: 10
        0
        Quote: Michael67
        It is better not to restore, but to completely modernize production lines.

        decide what to release, and under this business to sharpen the entire modernization with a margin
      3. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris April 27 2016 21: 10
        0
        And here we are not talking about saving and profitability .. Russia found itself in a situation that was in the USSR after the war, if not worse. And it is necessary to invest and work tirelessly, and not to debate.
    2. sever.56
      sever.56 April 27 2016 17: 04
      +4
      As for aircraft carriers - I doubt it.
      This was the prerogative of the Nikolaev shipyards during the Soviet era. Now they are "killed" to the root. My old friend wrote to me, who even in the days of the "spotted" left for Nikolaev and got a job in his specialty. Then they were still "in chocolate". Then it got worse, in the days of "primary independence", and now, in general, a paragraph ... In some shops, hard workers cut down and take away everything that can be sold, salaries - zero, for months. not even a minuscule pay.
      With regards to the possibility of building helicopter carriers in the Crimea, you need to understand. that in order to do this, gigantic investments are needed in the re-equipment of production and the attraction of highly qualified personnel who simply fled from the "killed" enterprises of the ukrooboronka. All this takes years and money.
      1. avt
        avt April 27 2016 17: 27
        +2
        Quote: sever.56
        As for aircraft carriers - I doubt it.
        It was the prerogative of the Nikolaev shipyards during the Soviet era. Now they are "killed" to the root.

        I read the opinion of the chief on aircraft carriers from Nikolaev, so without going into details, he said collectively - Russia can build aircraft carriers in the North.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas April 27 2016 17: 44
          0
          To repair and upgrade - yes, build from scratch - I doubt very much, if only at the level of Kerch - give money and people.
        2. sever.56
          sever.56 April 27 2016 18: 06
          0
          Yes you are right. This is possible - there are enough specialists at the same "Zvezdochka" or "Severnye Verfy". But, again, the capacities of enterprises are loaded to the maximum. The advantage of these enterprises is that they have organized training for young specialists in their colleges, where they provide young children with everything they need, XNUMX% guarantee them a job and a decent salary. There is only one problem - time and money that needs to be invested in training specialists and re-equipping the same machine park.
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel April 27 2016 19: 06
            -1
            Young specialists still old must be trained for about five years, so that they will make cool specialists. So it turns out that in order to produce high-quality products to the plant, it takes at least 5 years.
          2. max702
            max702 April 27 2016 20: 07
            0
            Quote: sever.56
            there are enough specialists at the same "Zvezdochka" or "Northern Shipyards".

            Why did you get this? Just personnel shortage is the main problem of caroblast builders ...
      2. Altona
        Altona April 27 2016 17: 31
        +1
        Quote: sever.56
        With regards to the possibility of building helicopter carriers in the Crimea, you need to understand. that in order to do this, gigantic investments are needed in the re-equipment of production and the attraction of highly qualified personnel who simply fled from the "killed" enterprises of the ukrooboronka. All this takes years and money.

        -----------------------
        You can attract personnel, but we built a feeding trough for the Mistral. Buy equipment. We need political will and desire, and not sucking dough from the economy as it is now. Well, maybe not the Mistrals to build as such, but simply large surface ships such as destroyers at least.
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    4. vlad66
      vlad66 April 27 2016 17: 20
      +9
      The Kerch Plant "Bay" is able to build large ships such as the helicopter carrier "Mistral",

      And why not try, instead of feeding the French or some other frogs in the future, we will feed our people and it is beneficial for Russia and people, and at the same time we will modernize after the dill occupation.
    5. avt
      avt April 27 2016 17: 25
      +6
      Quote: shans2
      formally, he could also build aircraft carriers, he can build ships up to 150 thousand tons and more with a displacement.

      There, in 88, the nuclear-powered vessel "Sevmorput" was commissioned and the second one was not done because of the mountain construction. So there is potential, but in practice, I doubt that in St. Petersburg they will be able to build the floor of the Mistral NOW in a year, of course whatever you want, but you guys finish those orders that have already been given to you with high quality and on time, or on time, or better earlier, without compromising quality. Then the conversation will not be in general, but quite specifically for a specific project.
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  2. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR April 27 2016 16: 52
    +13
    The location is perfect. And the shots from Nikolaev will drive up, although maybe Nikolaev himself will soon arrive at a permanent residence permit.
    1. lukke
      lukke April 27 2016 17: 22
      +4
      And the shots from Nikolaev will drive up, although maybe Nikolaev himself will soon arrive at a permanent residence permit.
      In Nikolaev, for a long time, basically everyone had already left, as the guys from Kerch did when they came to work at the NSRZ (Novorossiysk), etc.
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  4. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 27 2016 16: 53
    +8
    "We only need technology, we need projects, we need competence."

    Quite a trifle, in short, except for the dock, nothing remained during the time in Ukraine. recourse
    1. poquello
      poquello April 27 2016 16: 56
      -5
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "We only need technology, we need projects, we need competence."

      Quite a trifle, in short, except for the dock, nothing remained during the time in Ukraine. recourse

      and without the dock everything else will work?
    2. volot-voin
      volot-voin April 27 2016 17: 08
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Quite a trifle, in short, except for the dock, nothing was left during the stay in Ukraine

      Thank God experts from Soviet times remained .... and we can handle the technology. The fathers left us a good backlog, even in the 90s they could not ruin and sell everything in hard times.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets April 27 2016 18: 13
        0
        Quote: volot-voin
        Thank God experts from Soviet times remained ....

        If you consider that they become a specialist by the age of 40, and the USSR has not been 25 years old, then count how many years are those who still remain. recourse
  5. poquello
    poquello April 27 2016 16: 53
    +1
    there will be a project - there will be personnel, investments and modernization
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 27 2016 16: 53
    +1
    Serious factory. With such a dock - aircraft carriers can be built.
  7. Haloperidol
    Haloperidol April 27 2016 16: 54
    +1
    Now Russia needs to build at least 48 universal missile frigates and as many universal missile corvettes, so that at least 12 units for each fleet, and let the French plant frogs on the Mistrals
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets April 27 2016 16: 57
      +3
      Quote: Haloperidol
      48 missile universal frigates

      Quote: Haloperidol
      12 units for each fleet

      Where does such accuracy come from? belay Why not 10 or 15?
    2. kepmor
      kepmor April 27 2016 17: 01
      +2
      To our great regret, but 48 + 48 is from the "realm of fantasy" today ...
      As the saying goes: "There is a desire, there are no opportunities"!
      And judging by the actions of the authorities, they will not appear soon.
      "Loyal putintsy" ... I'm waiting for cons from loyal subjects!
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 27 2016 17: 12
        +2
        Quote: kepmor
        "Loyal putintsy" ay-ay ... I'm waiting for the minuses from the loyal subjects!

        Heh heh heh ... just the faithful Putiners for this do not minus - because the current course of the party recognizes problems with military shipbuilding.
        A minus for this will be the patriots, for whom Putin is the enemy of the people. smile
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 27 2016 17: 09
      -2
      Quote: Haloperidol
      Now Russia needs to build at least 48 universal missile frigates and as many universal missile corvettes, so that at least 12 units for each fleet,

      Why the hell in the Baltic and Black Sea Fleet missile frigates - especially the current ones, which have grown almost to EM URO? Former fleet и Chi to the Navy, Chi to the Navy enough corvettes for the eyes.
      1. Ride78
        Ride78 April 27 2016 23: 13
        +1
        The Baltic, by the way, is the very place where the berks and aircraft carriers will tear first. A convenient place for throwing axes and flying irons.
    4. nedaLnibamasO
      nedaLnibamasO April 27 2016 17: 16
      -2
      Then throw missiles out of them, strengthen air defense and place an airborne assault laughing
    5. nedaLnibamasO
      nedaLnibamasO April 27 2016 17: 16
      -6
      Then throw missiles out of them, strengthen air defense and place an airborne assault laughing
  8. vsoltan
    vsoltan April 27 2016 16: 55
    +1
    But in principle, do we need ships of this type? If necessary, for what purpose? If not needed, then maybe aircraft-carrying cruisers?
  9. Wolverine
    Wolverine April 27 2016 16: 58
    +4
    Mistral is Mistral, and when will we raise the civilian fleet?
    1. 31rus2
      31rus2 April 27 2016 17: 08
      +4
      Dear, what are we talking about, the shipyard will be restored, Russia needs ships, both military and civil, so the shipyard will work for the benefit of Russia and the people working on it
  10. Sorokin
    Sorokin April 27 2016 17: 01
    +1
    Yes flag in hand! Start the guys. Only without our management ...... The people will go to work and want to stay. There and the climate is not a polar region. And Russia should build a boat as it should.
    1. poquello
      poquello April 27 2016 17: 22
      0
      Quote: Sorokin
      Only without our management

      generally, on the contrary, it is necessary to foresee in advance what the plant will produce between defense orders, to ensure competitiveness
  11. Erg
    Erg April 27 2016 17: 01
    0
    Interestingly, if "the government of the Crimea" had not announced this, would anyone have combed it in the "mainland"? request
    1. poquello
      poquello April 27 2016 17: 34
      0
      Quote: Erg
      Interestingly, if "the government of the Crimea" had not announced this, would anyone have combed it in the "mainland"? request

      I suppose - yes, because the two plants in the union are not Khuhra-Mukhra
  12. senima56
    senima56 April 27 2016 17: 08
    +2
    At such a unique enterprise, with such a unique dry dock (360x60 there is no such thing anymore in Russia!), It is necessary to build unique ships (vessels)! The "pearl" of Soviet shipbuilding has returned to Russia! The largest in the USSR tankers of the "Crimea" type, with a displacement of more than 100 thousand tons, were built here! We are simply OBLIGED (!!!) to revive this enterprise! Upgrade and load with orders! I am sure that the "older generation" born in the USSR will support me.
  13. 3officer
    3officer April 27 2016 17: 09
    +1
    The Kerch plant, like the port of Kerch itself, is unfortunately under sanctions and has an incomprehensible international status. Only orders from the Navy can save the plant, repair and construction of civilian vessels is difficult.
  14. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 27 2016 17: 12
    +2
    It is better to build large transport ships instead of a Mistral type BDK - similar to American universal platforms.
  15. Mercenary
    Mercenary April 27 2016 17: 17
    -1
    Crimea is OUR!
    Hurray to Crimean Russians - shipbuilders !!!
  16. kolexxx
    kolexxx April 27 2016 17: 24
    -1
    Only Nikolaev in Soviet times could build ships of this level.
    1. Mercenary
      Mercenary April 27 2016 17: 30
      +1
      And here under the tsar ..... Nikolaev (Mikolaev) also remembered he was in Ukraine and now nothing will be built.
  17. demiurg
    demiurg April 27 2016 17: 29
    +1
    Dry dock, it's just a hole in the ground, with gates / locks. At least a kilometer per kilometer can be dug up in just a couple of months. The most expensive is just the infrastructure. Cranes, welding, forging, tool shops. But they just collapsed. Most likely there are no more qualified personnel. They actually need to be rebuilt. And recruit / train people. Previously, during the USSR, equipment and metal were brought from Ukraine. Now where are they going from?
    Give them money now, so only after three or four years will they be able to start building something. Isn't it easier to expand existing shipyards?
    1. poquello
      poquello April 27 2016 17: 39
      +1
      Quote: demiurg
      Dry dock, it's just a hole in the ground, with gates / locks. At least a kilometer per kilometer can be dug up in just a couple of months.

      It’s so many years, but everything’s unique, I would have dug a hole near Moscow
  18. evil partisan
    evil partisan April 27 2016 17: 36
    0
    stop Why Mistral?
    Type "Crimea" yes.
  19. Rosty
    Rosty April 27 2016 17: 40
    +4
    Quote: shans2
    formally, he could also build aircraft carriers, he can build ships up to 150 thousand tons and more with a displacement.


    Populism, unfortunately. There are no personnel, no equipment and technologies. There is no money from the plant for this (technical re-equipment, etc.), but no. The main problem is personnel. The potential is. But this is not one year for buildup, even if there is a desire and money, alas. I know what I'm talking about.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 27 2016 19: 51
      +2
      That's right, but the journey of a thousand starts with one step.
      1. boris-1230
        boris-1230 April 27 2016 21: 33
        0
        but the journey of a thousand starts in one step

        Right! "The road will be mastered by the one walking!" hi
  20. Barakuda
    Barakuda April 27 2016 17: 42
    +1
    And now I propose first to complete the MOST, to solve the problem of WATER for irrigation, to modernize the airport in Simferopol (it seems that the project already exists). And then you can swing at everything else .. You can tear yourself up, well, if oil jumps to at least 80 tanks, I’m all for it!
  21. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 27 2016 18: 08
    0
    And what by and large is needed -
    1. designers, specialists and workers
    2. material base (shipyard, slipway, modern equipment
    3. desire
    4. All this with funding and control is possible.
  22. demiurg
    demiurg April 27 2016 18: 16
    +2
    Quote: poquello
    Quote: demiurg
    Dry dock, it's just a hole in the ground, with gates / locks. At least a kilometer per kilometer can be dug up in just a couple of months.

    It’s so many years, but everything’s unique, I would have dug a hole near Moscow

    Not a question, but how then to drag a supertanker or an aircraft carrier to large salt water? hi
    You need to build where there is a convenient bay, there is an opportunity to supply energy, there are metallurgical and mechanical assembly plants nearby, well, there is where to recruit people for work. Not far from St. Petersburg for example. Or Vladivostok.
    1. poquello
      poquello April 27 2016 22: 10
      0
      Quote: demiurg
      Quote: poquello
      Quote: demiurg
      Dry dock, it's just a hole in the ground, with gates / locks. At least a kilometer per kilometer can be dug up in just a couple of months.

      It’s so many years, but everything’s unique, I would have dug a hole near Moscow

      Not a question, but how then to drag a supertanker or an aircraft carrier to large salt water? hi
      You need to build where there is a convenient bay, there is an opportunity to supply energy, there are metallurgical and mechanical assembly plants nearby, well, there is where to recruit people for work. Not far from St. Petersburg for example. Or Vladivostok.

      Well, it was not in vain that they built a plant there, they probably calculated everything about and contra and all sorts of different moments in the USSR, and then "a kilometer by a kilometer in a couple of months."
  23. Oleg L.
    Oleg L. April 27 2016 18: 27
    -1
    Ships like Mistral Russia are not needed at all
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 April 27 2016 20: 59
      +1
      Quote: Oleg L.
      Ships like Mistral Russia are not needed at all

      Now BDK and KFOR will exhaust their resources, and then what? something like UDC we need at least a couple of pieces at KChF and KTOF
    2. ism_ek
      ism_ek April 27 2016 21: 41
      0
      I support. Russia is building ice-class gas carriers in Korea. We must fight for these orders.
  24. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 27 2016 20: 56
    +1
    Quote: Vladimirets
    "We only need technology, we need projects, we need competence."

    Quite a trifle, in short, except for the dock, nothing remained during the time in Ukraine. recourse

    The personnel problem for the 1 year is not being resolved, for 20 years to build boats and barges, and suddenly they are ready to raise warships. Probably possible, but not even tomorrow, work, see.
  25. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 April 27 2016 21: 37
    0
    Quote: Michael67
    To establish the construction of surface ships and submarines for KChF.
    The savings are substantial. And profitability.
    Just have to invest is not sickly. It is better not to restore, but to completely modernize production lines.

    For the revival of the enterprise, it is necessary to have statists in the government of the Russian Federation, and not people who strive for the enrichment of friends with money from the state budget! The state, with its liberalization, successfully flunked education in the country, and now these same traders howled that they lacked skilled workers, engineers and designers with technologists! This narrow private ownership interest will ruin the country and ruin it, only to warm their own backside on the shores of paradise - this is their "state interest". Here we must end this and as soon as possible! hi
    And the profitability of private owners in Russia is built on the devastation of the state budget! Such is the economic law in Russia - you cannot fool your neighbor, you will not get rich! angry
  26. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson April 27 2016 22: 01
    +1
    Comrades, for reference:
    Considering that STX is a Norwegian company, in France and in Saint-Nazaire in particular, its shipyard has spoiled the reputation of all the shipyards in the city, residents and workers of the shipyards still strongly oppose the French government. Having received a contract for a cruise ship from the United States, STX recalculated variable costs and losses, invoiced a certain American Alliance shipbuilding LLC, this office paid the costs and closed. And Saint-Nazaire himself remembers even larger orders of the Russian Navy, for example, the armored cruiser "Admiral Kornilov", the Saint-Nazaire shipyard, 1887
  27. warviking
    warviking April 27 2016 22: 28
    0
    Why do we need aircraft carriers? At this shipyard, you can simultaneously build 3 corvettes of the distant marine zone Rusich-1. The capabilities of these corvettes are better than those of modern frigates and the price for mass production will be significantly lower.
  28. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 April 28 2016 01: 46
    0
    In general, give me money, we also want to cut them. What are they planning to build and with whom?
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 28 2016 02: 20
      +1
      Quote: Dimon19661
      In general, give me money, we also want to cut them. What are they planning to build and with whom?

      - actually, before commenting on spanking, it would be nice to read the article .. and not just the headline. No one there asks for money, the fact is that

      The Zaliv plant is a unique enterprise. Such a shipyard and such a dry dock, which is at the Zaliv plant, is not available at any shipyard in the Russian Federation. By and large, the question of "Mistrals" would never have been raised if 5 years ago, when orders were made, there was such a shipyard as the Kerch plant "Zaliv", "the minister said.

      And you immediately - "saw, saw" .. fool
  29. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 28 2016 05: 24
    0
    Great news. True, the plant will have to be rebuilt from scratch.
    And so build ships and ships for the Black Sea Fleet the very thing.
  30. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff April 28 2016 22: 36
    0
    They can and will! Give me time, we will have everything.
  31. Fgrt
    Fgrt 1 May 2016 04: 13
    0
    The government of Crimea said that they themselves can build ships of the type "Mistral"
    a wonderful solution - only who will need an iron box? They were not needed anyway