Media: Vietnam tries in vain to counter the Chinese Air Force

Recently, Vietnam has been trying to resist China in the struggle for the disputed islands, but its modest efforts are incomparable with the capabilities of the PLA, according to an article published by mil.news.sina.com.cn. Article leads Military Parity.

The author notes that Vietnam is armed with Su-30MK2В fighters and Russian-made 636 submarines.

The Chinese army "is equipped with modern J-11B fighters with Chinese-made Taihang engines, which have reached a sufficient level of maturity," the article says.

It is noted that China "placed on a remote southern base to protect the islands 16 fighter of this version."

“From this base to the coast of Vietnam is only 280 km, a modern fighter can cover this distance in just 15 minutes. The HQ-9 air defense missile systems are located in the same region. Thus, the PLA can destroy the whole of Vietnamese with one blow. aviation grouping. Air supremacy is in the hands of China, from this thought Vietnam throws into a cold sweat, ”the author writes.

At the same time, he emphasizes that the People's Republic of China can strengthen its grouping with “even more modern J-11D fighters equipped with on-board radar with active lights and the latest PL-10 / 12 air combat missiles”. These aircraft "have complete superiority over the Vietnamese Su-30MK2B."

“And finally, China has at its disposal DRLO aircraft of such types as KJ-200 and KJ-500, which are able to detect Vietnamese fighters at any altitude. And it will be a nightmare for Hanoi. Thus, Vietnam tries in vain to face off with China, ”concludes the publication.

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[Vladimirets]

"Recently, Vietnam has been trying to confront China in the fight for the disputed islands, but its modest efforts are incomparable with the capabilities of the PLA."

Straight captain, evidence, strong analysis.

[vovanpain]

Recently, Vietnam has been trying to confront China in the fight for the disputed islands,

Well, now we are expecting from these analytes about the confrontation with China, the Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, and who else can claim these islands in the queue?

[poquello]

Quote: Vladimirets

"Recently, Vietnam has been trying to confront China in the fight for the disputed islands, but its modest efforts are incomparable with the capabilities of the PLA."

Straight captain, evidence, strong analysis.

I read how Beijing listened to radio many years ago))))

[ride78]

Something I don’t hear statements and screams from America how they shout about urkaina. And where are the sanctions against China?

[OlegLex]

How is everything too tight? this is how to discuss the performance characteristics of an anti-tank rifle and wonder why our grandfathers did not burn German tanks in packs, because it seems that the iron can, but only in battle any performance characteristics without human being, and in battle the ideal numbers are small. Vietnam, of course, compared to China, is not the strongest country, but only some thirty years ago they cleaned up the Amers and their fighting spirit is fine, so God forbid, of course, if the grandmother clashes with the Chinese in two

[Bath]

they cleaned the pug to the Chinese, read about the first socialist war

[Sorokin]

They cleaned and now the hostels are on the basis of the nat principle. And Vietnamese specialists 50 year old Chinese markets are alkaline.

[Alexez]

There, apart from Vätnam, there is still a whole queue of people wishing for these islands, and what throws everyone into sweat? Article minus - about nothing.

[Pirogov]

Quote: Alexez

There, apart from Vätnam, there is still a whole queue of people wishing for these islands, and what throws everyone into sweat? Article minus - about nothing.

Yes, the article has a lot, but for example ::::::::::: At the same time, he emphasizes that the PRC can strengthen its group with “even more modern J-11D fighters equipped with an onboard radar with an active phased array and the latest PL- 10/12. " These aircraft "have complete superiority over the Vietnamese Su-30MK2V" ...................... where does this information come from then, let's give full characteristics, data of the aircraft and their missiles, otherwise so the grandmother said .................
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[Alexez]

Well, how many PRCs in 1 year (the tests were in April 2015) could rivet them, so what could we say about some tangible effect in air superiority? Complete superiority can only be proved in real combat use.

[poquello]

Quote: Pirogov

Quote: Alexez

There, apart from Vätnam, there is still a whole queue of people wishing for these islands, and what throws everyone into sweat? Article minus - about nothing.

Yes, the article has a lot, but for example ::::::::::: At the same time, he emphasizes that the PRC can strengthen its group with “even more modern J-11D fighters equipped with an onboard radar with an active phased array and the latest PL- 10/12. " These aircraft "have complete superiority over the Vietnamese Su-30MK2V" ...................... where does this information come from then, let's give full characteristics, data of the aircraft and their missiles, otherwise so the grandmother said .................
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showed, the Chinese flew with us, how they flew our tactfully kept silent

[Odysseus]

Quote: poquello

showed, the Chinese flew with us, how they flew our tactfully kept silent

"Stop carrying the gag" - Beware of the car.
We never flew a J-11. J-7A participated in the air darts. J-10 as an aerobatic team.

[kirieeleyson]

aerobatic team "August 1" at MAKS nonche.

[Odysseus]

Quote: kirieeleyson

aerobatic team "August 1" at MAKS nonche.

And? This is a dozen. What do not you recognize the "duck" in the makeup?

[kirieeleyson]

Who argues, the J-10 in all its glory. It showed just.

[poquello]

Quote: Odyssey

Quote: poquello

showed, the Chinese flew with us, how they flew our tactfully kept silent

"Stop carrying the gag" - Beware of the car.
We never flew a J-11. J-7A participated in the air darts. J-10 as an aerobatic team.

Well, you have fantasies, I don’t know in my heart which, or rather, it’s violet to me, such with neck wings

[Odysseus]

Quote: poquello

Well, you have fantasies, I don’t know in my heart which, or rather, it’s violet to me, such with neck wings

In the original message to which you replied it was specifically about the J-11D.
If you are basically about the Chinese, then of course you are right, the Chinese flew.
By the way, the "leopards" (J-7A) in the competition both flew and bombed well. But the aerobatic team was not particularly impressed.

[Kibalchish]

And yet, by the way - all that the Chinese tried to do themselves from military equipment, almost all the samples are inferior to the analogues from which they were actually copied. So the words in the article about modern J-11Ds and PL-10/12 aerial combat missiles can be called into question.

[demiurg]

Vietnam already once met with China on the battlefield. Also, like China had an advantage. But then China did not grow together.

[vsoltan]

Quite right, in 1979 .... only a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then. ... Vietnam, in terms of foreign policy, was twisted on several chairs. ... therefore, he will not receive such support from Russia as from the Union then. ... and here I do not mean military (although it should not be forgotten) .... rather diplomatic. ... has the Russian Federation managed to stop the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan with one shout? That and that. .. "brothers" .... sort it out yourself. ..

[Karlovar]

China retreated in that war from Vietnam under the pressure of the USSR .... Yes, and today's PLA is already not so much what it was in the 70s ....

[drilled]

"Throws in a sweat." "Will become a nightmare." Pts like "You will be surprised when you see who is with Pugacheva now ..."

[RUSS]

The Chinese Air Force and the Vietnamese Air Force have very similar signs, as if they were not shooting at each other in the sky
This is the Chinese Air Force.

[RUSS]

Quote: RUSS

The Chinese Air Force and the Vietnamese Air Force have very similar identification marks for the Air Force,

And this is the Vietnam Air Force

[poquello]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: RUSS

The Chinese Air Force and the Vietnamese Air Force have very similar identification marks for the Air Force,

And this is the Vietnam Air Force

and this one has peeled off the paint

[RUSS]

Quote: poquello

and this one has peeled off the paint

This is amerikosovsky.

[Velizariy]

You need to be an anochranist in order to distinguish between your own and other people's planes according to the identification marks on the wings in modern aerial combat.) And what about the Chinese, that the Vietnamese have slanting eyes and yellow skin. It will be very difficult for pilots ... :)

[poquello]

Quote: Velizariy

You need to be an anochranist in order to distinguish between your own and others' planes in modern aerial combat using identification marks on the wings.)

+ but they debased everything

[Mountain shooter]

I bet on Vietnam. They fly on ours. And the Chinese - on their engines. In general, the Chinese tiger growls with all his might, trying to prove that he is not paper. So far, China has not won a single war, starting with the Opiums. He even attacked Vietnam, along the land border. Received then notably. Economic power does not automatically mean the power of the army. Look at Saudi Arabia and Yemen. There is money and weapons - the chickens do not peck, but somehow it does not grow together ...

[donavi49]

The Chinese have about 100 Su-30MKK and MKK2 Made in KnAAZ with AL-31F-M1 engines.

The 3 flights of the 12 Su-30MK2 squadron from the same KnAAZ and 12 are still in the process, totaling 48. But all other planes are eLki and Su-22, unlike the PLA.

[Revolver]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Until China has won a single war since the Opium

Yes, read that since the time of Genghis Khan, the Chinese have not won anything, and I did not look deeper into the past of China. Chingiz simply crushed them with raids, and the grandson of Chingiz Khubilai Khan finally conquered China, plundered the imperial Sun dynasty, and sat on the imperial throne, thereby establishing the Yuan dynasty.
So at least since that time, the Chinese were eternal terpils, unlike the Vietnamese.

[poquello]

Quote: Nagan

at least since then, the Chinese have been eternal sufferers, unlike the Vietnamese.

and in Korea, the Chinese did not drive the Americans?

[Revolver]

They didn’t drive, but they filled up with corpses. And even then they succeeded only because they were covered from the air. If not for Kozhedub and its air division, the Chinese, no matter how many there were, would all have laid down there. B-29s were perfectly adapted for carpet bombing, but not for opposing MiG-15 class vehicles.

[poquello]

Quote: Nagan

They didn’t drive, but they filled up with corpses. And even then they succeeded only because they were covered from the air. If not for Kozhedub and its air division, the Chinese, no matter how many there were, would all have laid down there. B-29s were perfectly adapted for carpet bombing, but not for opposing MiG-15 class vehicles.

Chased, chased - "Forward! Retreat!" this is from there, and that our skies were closed so no one canceled the land campaign.

[Revolver]

Quote: poquello

Chased, chased - "Forward! Retreat!" this is from there, and that our skies were closed so no one canceled the land campaign.

But before the arrival of the air division, they drove so that they caught up to the Chinese border. And even the supply of MiGs did not help them, because "it was not about the car, the pid **** was sitting in the cockpit." And only when the Russians got into the cabins instead of the Chinese, the situation changed dramatically.

[poquello]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: poquello

Chased, chased - "Forward! Retreat!" this is from there, and that our skies were closed so no one canceled the land campaign.

But before the arrival of the air division, they drove so that they caught up to the Chinese border. And even the supply of MiGs did not help them, because "it was not about the car, the pid **** was sitting in the cockpit." And only when the Russians got into the cabins instead of the Chinese, the situation changed dramatically.

The military operations in the Korean War according to operational-strategic results can be divided into four periods: the first (June 25 - September 14, 1950) - the North Korean troops crossed the 38th parallel and the development of the offensive to the river. Nakton Gan; the second (September 15 - October 24, 1950) - the counter-offensive of the UN multinational forces and their withdrawal to the southern regions of the DPRK; the third (October 25, 1950 - July 9, 1951) - the entry of Chinese people's volunteers into the war, the retreat of UN troops from North Korea, military operations in areas adjacent to the 38th parallel; the fourth (July 10, 1951 - July 27, 1953) - the fighting of the parties during the armistice negotiations and the end of the war.

so it’s not them, the Chinese entered from the border and drove the Americans to the 37th parallel, the Kozhedub’s division entered the battle on November 1, 1950, shooting down four times more with the numerical superiority of the US Air Force.

[Karlovar]

Without the ground operation of the Chinese, the DPRK would not exist today ...

[Revolver]

Quote: Karlovar

Without the ground operation of the Chinese, the DPRK would not exist today ...

As well as without Soviet aviation, with Soviet pilots in the cockpit.

And finally, without DPRK, it would be for the better, from Kim the Third, it’s only a crap for everyone around, including Russia, and even China. And so would a single Korea be like South - what is bad?

[poquello]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Karlovar

Without the ground operation of the Chinese, the DPRK would not exist today ...

As well as without Soviet aviation, with Soviet pilots in the cockpit.

And finally, without DPRK, it would be for the better, from Kim the Third, it’s only a crap for everyone around, including Russia, and even China. And so would a single Korea be like South - what is bad?

now it’s like the South one, because there is a North one, and then the USA considered Korea as a springboard for a threat to the USSR and China

[kirieeleyson]

And finally, without DPRK, it would be for the better, from Kim the Third, it’s only a crap for everyone around, including Russia, and even China. And so would a single Korea be like South - what is bad?

I think, on the contrary, Americans would be thrown into the sea and there would be no South Koreas, another China is almost at hand. Good too. At the same time, the Japanese would be assimilated so that, as now, they would not whine about the return of the Kuriles.

[poquello]

Quote: Karlovar

Without the ground operation of the Chinese, the DPRK would not exist today ...

not a fact, our shock fist stood on the border and the Chinese attack would have seemed like a light stroking

[Karlovar]

Do you know that after the Mongol conquest, the history of China did not end there? What story had a sequel ??? Already at the end of the 14th century, the Yuan dynasty was thrown off and the Ming dynasty ascended to the throne (the Russian princes decided on the Kulikovo battle, inspired by the expulsion of the Mongols from China). China, and Outer Mongolia-Mongolia-was part of China until the 1920s) .... Yes, you also know that the Mongols conquered Russia, and for a term almost 3 times greater? In the know about the battle of Kalk? I’m aware that in this battle only a reconnaissance advanced detachment of the Mongols of Subeday from 2 tumens (20 thousand) participated, and they were opposed by the combined army of Russians and Polovtsians numbering 120-150 thousand ??? This is about the military genius ...

[poquello]

Quote: Karlovar

I’m aware that in this battle only a reconnaissance advanced detachment of the Mongols of Subeday from 2 tumens (20 thousand) participated, and they were opposed by the combined army of Russians and Polovtsians numbering 120-150 thousand ??? This is about the military genius ...

Do you know that Subedey and Jebe are the best commanders of Genghis Khan, that the numbers are 20-30 versus 40-100, that 20 of them are Polovtsi who were afraid of the reserve of the Mongols, that the Mongols could not overturn the Rus and offered them a safe departure

[Karlovar]

So who won, under Kalk?

[kirieeleyson]

and where are these Mongols now))?

[Karlovar]

Inner Mongolia is now part of the PRC, that is, the Chinese province ... for more than 600 years. And Outer Mongolia (present MPR) left China only less than 100 years ago. This is what ended the conquests of Genghis Khan and Khubilai. ..in the end ... Laughs the one who laughs last ...

[poquello]

Quote: Karlovar

Inner Mongolia is now part of the PRC, that is, the Chinese province ... for more than 600 years. And Outer Mongolia (present MPR) left China only less than 100 years ago. This is what ended the conquests of Genghis Khan and Khubilai. ..in the end ... Laughs the one who laughs last ...

still laughs for no reason, reflected in the folk epos, the Barn stood near Astrakhan

[poquello]

Quote: Karlovar

So who won, under Kalk?

Quote: Karlovar

?? This is about a military genius ...

[dauria]

. Even attacked Vietnam, on the land border. Received then notably. Economic power does not automatically mean the power of the army

Then (and this was February 79th) there was no trace of "economic power", and Vietnam had a shell-shocked army and the USSR behind its back. But here's the trick - all our adult men did not "shout", but became thoughtful and "became serious". And the grandmother at the moment raked all the cereals from the stores. I remember the announcement on TV perfectly.

[Karlovar]

In the 79th, they have not started reforms yet .... By the way, this war was a signal to the Americans to start negotiations on economic cooperation .... which subsequently happened ... Reforms, the American market for Chinese goods, investments, technologies, including the military ..., which eventually led to an unprecedented hitherto in the history of mankind economic breakthrough ....

[Revolver]

Quote: Karlovar

to an unprecedented hitherto in the history of mankind economic breakthrough ....

Quote: Winston Churchill
Stalin took Russia with a plow, and left it with an atomic bomb.

Note, all on their own, without opening the American market, without technology transfer, without investment, and despite the worst war in the history of mankind. The Chinese to such a result as you to China cancer.

[poquello]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Karlovar

to an unprecedented hitherto in the history of mankind economic breakthrough ....

Quote: Winston Churchill
Stalin took Russia with a plow, and left it with an atomic bomb.

...

Do you even know why plowed plow in RI?

[Revolver]

Quote: poquello

Do you even know why plowed plow in RI?

Obviously from poverty. However, if you know better, correct it.

[poquello]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: poquello

Do you even know why plowed plow in RI?

Obviously from poverty. However, if you know better, correct it.

Poor, poor Russian Empire with the world's largest gold reserve.
There were a lot of horses, cars were forbidden in cities so as not to scare horses. Well, and what tractors ?, although they produced both them and engines for them.

[Karlovar]

This was done because horse traction is much more efficient than tractors ???? So advise the GDP to abandon tractors and cars in favor of horse-drawn transport and plow ...., well, so as not to scare the remaining horses on the farms! And stupid Chinese let them further conduct motorization of the country, let them further develop and produce worthless electric cars! Horse traction is cooler!

[poquello]

Quote: Karlovar

This was done because horse traction is much more efficient than tractors ????

All lovers of seeking efficiency urgently revise the film "Two Comrades", namely the ending of the role of V. Vysotsky. At the same time, look at the calendar, at the same time calculate the losses of horses in WWI and civilian, at the same time read about the electric vehicles developed in RI.

[Karlovar]

The fact that at the dawn of the automotive industry they (cars) were initially electrically driven, I’m on the run! In cources, also, that electric traction in the net has lost competition with ICE in all respects ... Today, in a new technological round, electric traction takes revenge ....

[poquello]

Quote: Karlovar

The fact that at the dawn of the automotive industry they (cars) were initially electrically driven, I’m on the run!

I don’t know, I know cars were banned in St. Petersburg and Moscow, and Frese and Romanov tried to smuggle a permit for an electric bus

[Revolver]

Quote: poquello

Poor, poor Russian Empire with the world's largest gold reserve.

And you do not mix gold in the royal treasury with pennies in the peasant pocket. As they would say now, different budget items.

Quote: poquello

Well, and which tractors?

What does the tractor have to do with it? I had to see among the Amish parokonny all-metal multi-plow plows, such did in the XIX century. Wheel code, adjustable plowing depth. But in order to carry such Amish horses, not a peasant nag. And the price of such a plow, especially in those days, was more than most peasants saw money for their whole lives. So I had to plow a wooden plow, at best with an iron opener.

[poquello]

Quote: Nagan

And you do not mix gold in the royal treasury with pennies in the peasant pocket.

and I don't mix it - "Russia with a plow" is an attempt to declare the backwardness of the state, and not peasant kopecks. States with over 50% of agricultural exports and leaders in this direction.

Quote: Nagan

Wheel code, adjustable plowing depth.

My kid has an electric toothbrush, which does not prevent me from brushing my usual teeth.

[Karlovar]

Namely, the point was the availability of advanced (at that time) equipment for the ordinary peasant!

[Karlovar]

And when and where the hell ... did the Stalinist hurt ??? Who brought to such a result ???

[Karlovar]

On your own, say, under Stalin? And who bought the machines and technologies? And where were the engineers invited from? Do not know???

[Averias]

Meanwhile, the Chinese arrive in the glorious city of Nha Trang in droves, hordes. It's like an invasion of locusts, they are everywhere. And they do not behave in the best way. Jokhma about how Chinese comrades stole tuna (weighing 10 kilograms) from a table at the restaurant's entrance (he is there every day to attract customers on a heap of ice) will laugh the Vietnamese for a long time. And when you consider that the Chinese restaurant is Hochma in twins. I watched all this in early April of this year.

Why did you write this comment? What article - such and comment.

[Mavrikiy]

Chinese article "alarm". Vietnam is offended, but it will not fight China. China will not contact Vietnam either; it is equipping bases for the transportation of energy resources and raw materials by sea.

[donavi49]

Well, in general, the article is correct.

The 3 Vietnamese MK2 ultra-budget squadron has the ancient H001 instead of the radar, primitive avionics and non-UVT engines. And also the truncated 940 squadron on the Su-27SK / UB. The rest is trash, eLki and Su-22.

AWACS no. Air Defense - the S-300PMU division cut between Ho Chi Minh and Hanoi. The rest is ancient Pechora, Volga and Cuba.

The PLA has more Su-30MKK and MKK2, but more expensive engines (though without UVT), squeezed radar and the board itself. Plus J-11B / D - the latter, as rightly noted here, already with the new AFAR radar and new avionics. Plus J-10, also on advanced sides. Plus AWACS of various formats. Plus, numerous air defense systems of the air defense system - the more recent C-300PMU, their latest developments HQ-9, where the rocket was thoroughly remade and introduced a new radar.

[Thunderbolt]

China has "deployed 16 fighters of this version at a remote southern base to protect the islands."

There, the Chinese have a well-prepared airfield and a convenient harbor for the fleet. I am sure that there are also buried protected objects.

[Pygmy]

Quote: Thunderbolt

China has "deployed 16 fighters of this version at a remote southern base to protect the islands."

There, the Chinese have a well-prepared airfield and a convenient harbor for the fleet. I am sure that there are also buried protected objects.

Unsinkable aircraft carrier.

[RUSS]

Quote: Pygmy

Unsinkable aircraft carrier.

Well, it depends on what it’s , and then an island can be turned into an atoll or even into a sea depression

[Karlovar]

Most importantly, it’s 15 times cheaper than a sunken aircraft carrier and 3-4 times faster in terms of construction time ... And it doesn’t require an escort;

[veteran2015]

Quote: Vladimirets

"Recently, Vietnam has been trying to confront China in the fight for the disputed islands, but its modest efforts are incomparable with the capabilities of the PLA."

Straight captain, evidence, strong analysis.

Yes, not capitally obvious! On land, Vietnam will no longer fight China - not those times! And for "their" interests on the islands, I think it will be possible!

[svp67]

... it will be a nightmare for Hanoi. Thus, Vietnam is trying in vain to face off with China

How many centuries their confrontation lasted and how Vietnam during this time proved that it is worth respecting and not meddling in its affairs.

[iouris]

East is a delicate matter. On the one hand, Vietnam is on the counter with China, on the other, it imitates China. Somehow they will agree: they have 10 thousand years ahead. During this time, both the US and the EU will disappear.

[DMM2006]

Quote: OlegLex

Vietnam, of course, compared to China, is not the strongest country, but only some thirty years ago they cleaned up the Amers and their fighting spirit is fine, so God forbid, of course, if the grandmother clashes with the Chinese in two

A colleague is forced to say that Vietnam already cleaned the face of China in February - March 1979. I will quote the encyclopedic information:
"At the border with Vietnam, the PLA concentrated impressive forces: 44 divisions with a total of 600 personnel. However, only 000 troops from this group invaded Vietnam. From the Vietnamese side, they were opposed by troops with a total strength of up to 250 people, and in the first The Vietnamese had only border troops and militia units in their defense lines.
... based on the results of the fighting, the PLA forces were forced to leave the city of Langshon they had seized and retreat to Chinese territory.
... the loss of the Chinese amounted to 62 people killed.
... According to modern Chinese the researcher's losses of Vietnam amounted to about 20 people killed and wounded. "
So if China and Vietnam are again clinging, it’s not at all a fact that China will succeed, as the author of the article pointed out, in cracking down on its opponent in 15 minutes. In any case, the matter will end in very big blood, and as colleagues noted, the Vietnamese should not occupy themselves above the fighting spirit. Well, and to beat an enemy numerically superior to them having tremendous technical superiority, they know how to perfection, which they have repeatedly demonstrated.

[the most important]

Quote: DMM2006

Well, and to beat an enemy numerically superior to them having tremendous technical superiority, they know how to perfection, which they have repeatedly demonstrated.

Especially when several divisions of the DA 30 VA of the USSR Air Force simulated a bombing attack on Beijing ... and the war ended immediately ...

[Karlovar]

That's it! Today there is an analogy, the great Lithuania, which has behind NATO (the United States ie) ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: DMM2006

A colleague is forced to say that Vietnam already cleaned the face of China in February - March 1979.

This is absolutely not true.
1) The PRC leadership decided to withdraw the troops while the PLA forces, developing the offensive, took Langshon. Causes
a) General mobilization in Vietnam threatening a transition to a total war.
b) Large-scale transfer of troops of the USSR Armed Forces including nuclear weapons to the border of China.
That is, it was not the Vietnamese who were "cleaning the face" of China, but the Chinese troops left by order because of the threat from the north.
2) It is absurd to extrapolate the situation of 1979 to 2016. A completely different situation, completely different possibilities of the countries.
For example, the grouping of the USSR Armed Forces deployed in 2 Far Eastern districts in 1979 was several times higher in numbers and capabilities than the current Russian NE.
And the Chinese People's Republic of China, on the contrary, intensified many times, well, etc.

[Karlovar]

People scrap into such trifles! The world for them is black and white! Anyway, I concluded that these people are simply envious of the Chinese, who managed to preserve and strengthen their country many times in economic, military, political relations, maintain socialism and state control over strategic sectors, avoid being seized with redheads, bad guys, drunks, and avoid chilling their leaders and making a dizzying take-off in economics, education, science, technology, living standards ....

[ayuric]

and the Vietnamese can in fact answer (bottom line) :)