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New uniform for army priests

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation published in his "Facebook" photo, in which the army cleric dressed in a new uniform.




“In the photo taken at the Russian military base in Armenia, Archimandrite Andrei (you), the assistant commander of the unit for work with believers in the military, was probably captured. The clerk’s cassock is styled as an “office” military uniform, ”the newspaper comments on the photo. Look.

The publication reminds that the provision "On the organization of work of clergymen with military personnel in military units of the Russian Federation" was signed by the Minister of Defense in January 2010.

Since then, the priests have become officially involved in the life of the army.

It is noted that parachute training is provided for priests working with airborne units.
Photos used:
Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Dimontius
    Dimontius April 27 2016 15: 03
    +11
    Such a priest will forgive the sins of his enemies, it will not seem enough!
    1. Passer
      Passer April 27 2016 16: 31
      +7
      Quote: Dimontius
      Such a priest will forgive the sins of his enemies, it will not seem enough!

      In Chechnya, in 1999, the Holy Father with one shot from an RPG with me covered a bearded point of fire. I respect.
      1. zloybond
        zloybond April 27 2016 17: 52
        +1
        I was enraged when everyone was in the same ranks of Muslims and Christians, but according to the fashion of the generals fashion, they brought out a priest in front with a bucket that sprinkled everyone left and right ... and horseradish in the village that the Gentiles were standing in front of him and couldn’t say a word - charter not allowed to speak in the ranks.
        Anyway. Sectarians are now in fashion
        1. King
          King April 29 2016 07: 32
          0
          holy water doesn’t make a problem for Muslims, unless they are real
    2. the finish
      the finish April 30 2016 22: 17
      -1
      Armenian priests at the forefront during a recent exacerbation.
  2. Bath
    Bath April 27 2016 15: 03
    +18
    I believe that then the mullahs are needed and the rabbis and llamas of the Russian Federation are a multiconfessional country
    1. dauria
      dauria April 27 2016 15: 12
      +14
      I believe that then the mullahs are needed and the rabbis ....



      And the propagandists are atheists .... laughing
      Drive all of you from the army and state structures. In general, our rulers are sick.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets April 27 2016 15: 38
        +8
        Quote: dauria
        Drive all of you from the army and state structures. In general, our rulers are sick.

        If this helps someone in battle, then why not? request It’s not necessary to force it, but if there are believers, then I don’t see anything bad. And yes, the comrade is right:
        Quote: Bath
        then mullahs are needed and the rabbis and llamas of the Russian Federation are a multiconfessional country
        1. dauria
          dauria April 27 2016 15: 47
          +2
          It’s not necessary to force it, but if there are believers, I don’t see anything bad


          Is this really serious? And you do not see nonsense in it?
          Forcibly not to impose, but keep in the part of the priest on monetary and other allowance? What for? When he lays - all believers, with the exception of the mentally ill and drunk. And few people believe in God, crossing the road, there is no time to believe.

          Eh, Alexander Ivanovich, it is evident that "Olesya" will not be remembered soon.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets April 27 2016 15: 54
            +4
            Quote: dauria
            And you do not see nonsense in it?

            What is the nonsense? What are believers? Or is your worldview the only right and infallible? And this is not nonsense? request
            Quote: dauria
            When he lays - all believers, with the exception of the mentally ill and drunk.

            And maybe someone is not only "when the primer"?
            1. dauria
              dauria April 27 2016 20: 22
              +1
              What is the nonsense? What are believers?


              Funny. All people are believers... Remember this. This is a normal defense mechanism of the psyche for a person. It is the same as shutting up your eyes with a bright flash - either you close your eyes (you will be temporarily blind, but you will keep your sight), or you will go blind. Here everything is the same - either you will go crazy temporarily (you will perceive not reality completely, but its distorted, lightweight version), or you go crazy forever with "hardware" brain damage. There is no choice. There are other ways of protection, ask your doctors. Booze, drugs, psychotherapists, etc. Each method has its own advantages and disadvantages. The main thing is that the protection should turn on quickly and quickly turn off, you can’t walk forever with your eyes shut.
              This mechanism is developed by evolution, and therefore the beginnings of religions are much older than the currently accepted options.
              Therefore, if you suddenly happen to meet an unbeliever -
              (not a psychopath without conscience, not drunk, not already nuts) - take off your hat, it’s much harder for him to live than you.
              1. R-22
                R-22 April 27 2016 21: 36
                0
                Of course, you will forgive me, but my friend’s notions of faith are far from me, you are far from her.
            2. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre April 27 2016 21: 10
              +2
              What is the nonsense?
              That our church is separated from the state. Have you watched the Constitution?
          2. R-22
            R-22 April 27 2016 21: 33
            0
            It seems like the contentment the ROC pays them
      2. INF
        INF April 27 2016 15: 55
        0
        Well, many need this, the question is already debatable, many just don’t go beyond the limits of the unit, but it’s necessary to communicate, but the uniform on the priests is already too much.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS April 27 2016 16: 12
          +5
          Quote: INF
          but the uniform on the priests is already too much.

          Why bust? In fact, this is the same cassock, only of a "protective" color.
          1. Putinets
            Putinets April 27 2016 16: 17
            +3
            In fact, this is the same cassock

            This is not a cassock, this is a cassock. Which is considered by priests to be lower clothing and therefore is worn on top of a cassock or at least a vest. He has an award cross, i.e. he serves a long time, it is strange that he does not know
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      3. zloybond
        zloybond April 27 2016 20: 56
        -1
        God he is somewhere. But this does not mean that businessmen from the Russian Orthodox Church should breed and multiply with their wooden boards idols in the army.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 27 2016 15: 38
      +14
      Quote: Bath
      I believe that then mullahs are needed both by rabbis and llamas

      I propose to combine. Garrison had a wonderful castellan officer in Bill, Hero of the Galaxy, who has been chaplaining all religions since 13:00.
      With trembling fingers, he turned the tablet over on the table. Now it bore the inscription "CAPELLAN". The lieutenant grabbed the end of his tie and threw it forcefully over his right shoulder. The tie was sewn to the collar, which slid easily over the shirt on special bearings. The collar turned backwards with a quiet buzz, revealing a snow-white smooth surface to Bill's eyes; the tie was left somewhere behind.
      The chaplain prayerfully folded his hands, looked down at the valley and smiled sweetly:
      “How can I help, my son?”
      “I thought you were a castellan officer, sir,” Bill said stunned.
      “Yes, my son, and this is far from the only burden placed on my weak shoulders.” In these difficult times, few people need chaplains, and the demand for castellan officers is great. I try to be useful. - And he humbly bowed his head.
      (...)
      At the end of a short ritual, Bill helped put the cult objects into the casket, which immediately disappeared into the bowels of the table, and then, saying goodbye, went to the door.
      “Wait a minute, my son,” said the chaplain, beaming with a radiant smile, put his hand on his back and grabbed the tip of his tie. As soon as the collar returned to its original position, a generous smile instantly gave way to an evil grimace. - Where did you jump the skis, son of a bitch ?! Sit!
      “N-but,” Bill began to stutter, “but you let me go.”
      “It was the chaplain who released you, and I, as castellan officer, have nothing to do with him.” And now - quickly - the name of the Chinger spy you are harboring!
      “I spoke about this in confession!”
      “You spoke with the chaplain, but he kept his word and did not give out your secrets - I just accidentally heard your conversation.”
    3. Baloo
      Baloo April 27 2016 15: 53
      +2
      I believe that then mullahs are needed both by rabbis and llamas

      I support. I myself am not a religious person, but I remember how my grandfather told me that no matter how hard it was at the front, they, Muslims, were fed separately in accordance with Muslim customs. hi
      1. Mikado
        Mikado April 27 2016 16: 07
        +4
        Quote: Balu
        I believe that then mullahs are needed both by rabbis and llamas

        I support. I myself am not a religious person, but I remember how my grandfather told me that no matter how hard it was at the front, they, Muslims, were fed separately in accordance with Muslim customs. hi


        At the front of the First World War, the so-called. "Wild division" from the peoples of the Caucasus. So the customs there were very respectful. Even in the officers' assembly, if there were more Christians at the table, everyone took off their hats, but if there were more Muslims, everyone remained in hats.
        The rewarding of the soldiers of this division deserves a separate mention. For Muslims, the St. George cross with a two-headed eagle was relied on (and not with St. George the Victorious). After the very first awards in the division, a noise arose - the mountaineers shouted: "We don't want a chicken, we want a horseman on horseback!" And George was returned! yes
        1. Baloo
          Baloo April 27 2016 17: 24
          +4
          My babai fought not in World War I, but in WWII. I want to say that the politicians understood the religious customs at the front with understanding.hi
          1. Mikado
            Mikado April 27 2016 17: 42
            +3
            I just gave an example of another respect hi No matter what they say now, the political leaders did a great job then. And on their part, it would be foolish and dishonest to treat the people with whom you sleep, eat and go on the offensive in a piggy way. Faith is a delicate matter.
            The British once in the 19th century greased ammunition for Indian troops with beef and pork fat. They very well "stroked" this servicemen in the army, both Muslims and Hindus. We got an uprising of the sepoys, bloody and bloody suppressed. I'm talking about the opposite disregard for the feelings of others. hi
            1. Baloo
              Baloo April 27 2016 20: 25
              0
              Do I need a priest in the Army and Navy? Not every fighter will address his staff psychologist or commander with his problems. Here the priest is more acceptable. Where I work, there is a prayer room in which everyone can perform the rite. It is so framed that believers of any faith can use it. Perhaps this is necessary in the troops.
      2. almost demobil
        almost demobil April 28 2016 04: 20
        0
        Quote: Balu
        I remember how my grandfather told me that no matter how hard it was at the front, they, Muslims, were fed separately in accordance with Muslim customs. hi

        As far as I remember from the school and then from the army, the representatives of the Muslim republics in peacetime, not even in war, after a while, with pleasure, cracked a hawk of infidels. It never occurred to anyone to feed them in a special way, not to mention wartime.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 3 May 2016 21: 41
          0
          My babai was from a family of enemies of the people. In the Communist Party he was received during the battle.
          Nevertheless, all Muslim customs and rituals were strictly observed until the last day, until he fell ill. hi
    4. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose April 27 2016 16: 28
      +2
      Quote: Bath
      I believe that then the mullahs are needed and the rabbis and llamas of the Russian Federation are a multiconfessional country


      And there, you look, and the Seventh-day Adventists, the Sixties, the followers of Oun Senrique and Mary Devi Christ are not far away. Just imagine this horde of clergy in military unit. Or a special forces rabbi.
      But seriously, in my opinion, such an approach to the army clergy would be more correct: an army priest (if he is assigned a military unit by state) should belong to that denomination, which is professed by more than 60% military unit (60% is conditional. I do not pretend to absolute value. Subject for discussion.)
      If the part is large, then a maximum of 3 priests of different faiths, determined by the largest number of military units belonging to them.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 27 2016 17: 03
        +4
        Quote: Polite Elk
        Just imagine this horde of clergy in military unit. Or a special forces rabbi.

        It’s easy to imagine a special forces rabbi:
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose April 27 2016 18: 26
          +1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          It’s easy to imagine a special forces rabbi:


          In Russian CH? I admit, of course, but with difficulty. Especially in Syria, he will be in place. Strengthen the morale of S-400 operators accompanying air targets including and Israeli.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 27 2016 18: 51
            +2
            Quote: Polite Elk

            In Russian CH? I admit, of course, but with difficulty. Especially in Syria, he will be in place. Strengthen the morale of S-400 operators accompanying air targets including and Israeli.

            I remember the old joke:
            In Israel, a group of returnees is being interviewed. One of the questions is: what manifestations of anti-Semitism have you experienced in the USSR. The elderly pilot, Colonel, answers:
            - In June 1967, our squadron in Egypt received the task - to prepare to bomb Tel Aviv. So they removed me from flying !!!
      2. Mikado
        Mikado April 27 2016 17: 30
        0
        Quote: Polite Elk
        And there, you look, and the Seventh-day Adventists, the Sixties, the followers of Oun Senrique and Mary Devi Christ are not far away. Just imagine this horde of clergy in military unit. Or a special forces rabbi.


        Well, these are already sects that are not considered official denominations. Then the pastors would also have written pastors. good
        It seems to me that the question of religion is very delicate, and if we decided to introduce religion in the army, then this issue must be solved very subtly, if not to say, in jewelry. It seems that something can be gleaned from the experience of the Russian imperial army. At least, then this issue was solved successfully, although at that time everyone was a believer, not like now. Although then, probably, they did not merge so many nationalities into one part. National parts were in fashion. Natives of the Caucasus served in their units of the police type, Kalmyks and Bashkirs formed their irregular units, etc.
        The question of introducing religion is very delicate .. Despite the fact that we somehow did without it in the service, I would not give any definite answer. what
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose April 27 2016 18: 36
          +3
          Quote: Mikado
          The issue of introducing religion is very delicate ..


          There is no arguing. But I think that if there is a need for religion in the army and this is in the benefit of the Armed Forces, then this need must be satisfied, but within very reasonable limits. Without fanaticism, as they say. Focusing on major Russian denominations.
          As for the National Bats, I consider it unnecessary and to some extent dangerous. hi
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  3. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson April 27 2016 15: 05
    -5
    What kind of chevron does he have?) And this .. well, for a photo, at least they checked how they were sitting on the guys, what kind of sharomygs they were.
  4. drilled
    drilled April 27 2016 15: 05
    -10%
    Ugh. And does he have a cross like the knife of an HP-2 scout, under 7,62 * 41? Marasmus.
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  5. Historian
    Historian April 27 2016 15: 12
    0
    I have no words. Only emotions!
  6. eleronn
    eleronn April 27 2016 15: 13
    -6
    Shame ... The XNUMXst century in the yard, a secular state, where are we going? Is a herd of believers easier to manage?
    1. Putinets
      Putinets April 27 2016 15: 43
      +2
      Shame ... The XNUMXst century in the yard, a secular state, where are we going?


      And what, in the 21st century the absence of God is precisely proved? Probably a calider or astronauts did not see? Or maybe chemically or by iPhone?
      If people believe, then why not enter the state? By the way, in Afghanistan, even atheites, when pressed, began to pray, he himself passed. And according to the stories in Chechnya, the same thing happened to Yatsenyuk when the spirits were advancing, they immediately remembered God
      1. drilled
        drilled April 27 2016 15: 47
        0
        Quote: Putin
        Shame ... The XNUMXst century in the yard, a secular state, where are we going?


        And what, in the 21st century the absence of God is precisely proved? Probably a calider or astronauts did not see? Or maybe chemically or by iPhone?
        If people believe, then why not enter the state? By the way, in Afghanistan, even atheites, when pressed, began to pray, he himself passed. And according to the stories in Chechnya, the same thing happened to Yatsenyuk when the spirits were advancing, they immediately remembered God

        Well, the argument. Did you serve in the army? A woman in the trenches is more needed than a priest. So, let's introduce prostitutes to the state (sorry, "service personnel")?
        1. Putinets
          Putinets April 27 2016 16: 10
          +4
          Did you serve in the army?

          So somehow 28 years old the office clerk. And all the troops, the troops. So from within tyk say. And there are enough prostitutes both in uniform and without and by the way in the state
          Yes, and about the women in the trench. What without a woman, not a day? Hmm I'm sorry for you
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          2. drilled
            drilled April 27 2016 17: 24
            -3
            Quote: Putin
            Did you serve in the army?

            So somehow 28 years old the office clerk. And all the troops, the troops. So from within tyk say. And there are enough prostitutes both in uniform and without and by the way in the state
            Yes, and about the women in the trench. What without a woman, not a day? Hmm I'm sorry for you

            Colleague, I also feel sorry for you if you need pop more than women. Yes, every day))) I have more pleasant memories of the service, although I had misfortune in the 90s. May the congregation forgive me.
            1. King
              King April 29 2016 07: 25
              0
              Who about what ... about a woman.
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose April 27 2016 16: 37
      +1
      Quote: eleronn
      Shame ... The XNUMXst century in the yard, a secular state, where are we going? Is a herd of believers easier to manage?


      Since the Second World War there has been a saying: "There are no atheists in the trenches." If there is someone on the site who took part in the database, and lying face down on the ground under fire, blasphemed God or called for Chubais or Medvedev for help, give me some cons.
      1. ASK505
        ASK505 April 27 2016 17: 10
        +5
        Quote: Polite Elk
        Since the Second World War there has been a saying: "There are no atheists in the trenches."


        And those who fought in the air? I have never heard a word from war veterans about God in a combat situation. This phrase began to flicker in recent history.
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose April 27 2016 18: 45
          +1
          Quote: ASK505
          those who fought in the air? I have never heard a word from war veterans about God in a combat situation. This phrase began to flicker in recent history.


          I strongly doubt that the downed pilot, swinging under a canopy of parachute over neutral territory, begged Stalin or Voroshilov to send him the wind in our direction.
          And about the phrase about the trenches - do not take it literally. In the air, as well as under water, there were defense lines and trenches.
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  7. fridge
    fridge April 27 2016 15: 14
    +1
    In my opinion, the priest should not be dressed in what he is dressed in, representatives of different faiths serve in the army, maybe Atheists and they can be dressed differently, but for Love for the Motherland, allegiance to the Oath, and this work was previously carried out by Politruk!
  8. Mikhail Matyugin
    Mikhail Matyugin April 27 2016 15: 29
    0
    In general, as a believing Orthodox Christian, I will say this - army priests do not need uniforms, for centuries the best of them have inspired the feat of soldiers, often going ahead of the attacking system in priestly vestments, but not in uniform.

    Quote: dauria
    Drive all of you from the army and state structures

    Why do you think that in a country where 97% of the population are believers of different faiths, of which 85% are Orthodox Christians, and 3% are atheists, the rights of the absolute majority should be infringed?

    Quote: refrigerator
    and this work was previously carried out by Politruk!
    Your political instructors first led the country to the bloody catastrophe of 41-42 and then brought it to the collapse of statehood in 1991. Orthodox priests spiritually nourished Russian soldiers of 900 for years. Maybe it’s good that finally our government turned to the positive experience of their ancestors?
    1. drilled
      drilled April 27 2016 15: 44
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
      In general, as a believing Orthodox Christian, I will say this - army priests do not need uniforms, for centuries the best of them have inspired the feat of soldiers, often going ahead of the attacking system in priestly vestments, but not in uniform.

      Quote: dauria
      Drive all of you from the army and state structures

      Why do you think that in a country where 97% of the population are believers of different faiths, of which 85% are Orthodox Christians, and 3% are atheists, the rights of the absolute majority should be infringed?

      Quote: refrigerator
      and this work was previously carried out by Politruk!
      Your political instructors first led the country to the bloody catastrophe of 41-42 and then brought it to the collapse of statehood in 1991. Orthodox priests spiritually nourished Russian soldiers of 900 for years. Maybe it’s good that finally our government turned to the positive experience of their ancestors?

      What are you talking about, Michael? And who led to the defeat of the French? the English? Canadians? Americans? Also political instructors? Or are the Germans still? Do not watch modern war films. And your priests are the same committee of soldiers' mothers. God is in the soul, and nafig the church is not needed to turn to him, if you really believe.
      1. Ermak
        Ermak April 27 2016 15: 58
        +4
        Quote: Burieway
        God is in the soul, and nafig the church is not needed to turn to him, if you really believe.

        Are you sure that there is a god in your soul? Where such confidence.
        1. drilled
          drilled April 27 2016 16: 09
          -5
          [/ Quote]
          Are you sure that there is a god in your soul? Why such confidence. [/ Quote]

          I'm sure. Not from the incense-smelling "temple". Not yours. My.
          Do not go into a theological debate.
          1. Ermak
            Ermak April 27 2016 16: 16
            +1
            [quote] boring RU Today, 16:09 ↑
            [/ Quote]
            Are you sure that there is a god in your soul? Why such confidence. [/ Quote]

            I'm sure. Not from the incense-smelling "temple". Not yours. My.
            Do not go into the theological debate. [/ Quote]


            So maybe the legislation of the Russian Federation canceled, if everything is right in your soul, others probably everything is right too. You do not consider yourself exceptional?
            1. drilled
              drilled April 27 2016 17: 08
              -4
              Quote: Ermak
              So maybe the legislation of the Russian Federation canceled, if everything is right in your soul, others probably everything is right too. You do not consider yourself exceptional?

              I consider myself sober. Do not distort. Pop in the army is a useless person, it’s like the patriarch-deputy of the President. Stupidity.
              1. Ermak
                Ermak April 27 2016 17: 36
                +4
                Quote: Burieway
                Quote: Ermak
                So maybe the legislation of the Russian Federation canceled, if everything is right in your soul, others probably everything is right too. You do not consider yourself exceptional?

                I consider myself sober. Do not distort. Pop in the army is a useless person, it’s like the patriarch-deputy of the President. Stupidity.


                Well, sobriety is a different indicator (not even in the literal sense), which does not guarantee from wrong misconduct or views.
                So it is not accepted.
                1. drilled
                  drilled April 27 2016 17: 55
                  -1
                  Quote: Ermak
                  So it is not accepted.


                  Oh!
                  1. King
                    King April 29 2016 07: 21
                    0
                    Quote: Burieway


                    Are you sure that there is a god in your soul? Where such confidence.


                    I'm sure. Not from the incense-smelling "temple". Not yours. My.
                    Do not go into a theological debate.

                    Oh!


                    He is alone
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 27 2016 15: 50
      +5
      Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
      Why do you think that in a country where 97% of the population are believers of different faiths, of which 85% are Orthodox Christians, and 3% are atheists, the rights of the absolute majority should be infringed?

      Because the Constitution is in force in Russia. According to which Russia is a secular state. And the introduction into state structures of full-time figures involved in religious education in these structures, the PMSM, this Constitution is somewhat contrary.

      And about the Orthodox ...
      According to the All-Russian survey conducted by VTsIOM in March 2010, 75% of Russians consider themselves Orthodox Christians, while only 54% of them are familiar with the content of the Bible.
      1. Ermak
        Ermak April 27 2016 16: 13
        -1
        Alexey RA RU Today, 15:50 ↑ New
        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
        Why do you think that in a country where 97% of the population are believers of different faiths, of which 85% are Orthodox Christians, and 3% are atheists, the rights of the absolute majority should be infringed?
        Because the Constitution is in force in Russia. According to which Russia is a secular state. And the introduction into state structures of full-time figures involved in religious education in these structures, the PMSM, this Constitution is somewhat contrary.

        These are your speculations. It means that the government does not include a religious component.
        And about the Orthodox ...
        According to the All-Russian survey conducted by VTsIOM in March 2010, 75% of Russians consider themselves Orthodox Christians, while only 54% of them are familiar with the content of the Bible.

        Public statistics is a very relative thing, although familiarity with the Bible is probably really low, after all 70 years of atheism and 20 years of the century of "dough" worship, but the fact that these are potential Christians who want to be them is a fact. Although some would like it not to be.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 27 2016 16: 54
          +1
          Quote: Ermak
          These are your speculations. It means that the government does not include a religious component.

          That is, the inclusion in the OSHS of army divisions of staff units called an army priest - is this "power does not include a religious component"?
          Article 14 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
          1. The Russian Federation is a secular state. No religion can be established as state or mandatory.
          2. Religious associations are separated from the state and are equal before the law.

          Federal Law of 26.09.1997 N 125-FZ (as amended on 30.03.2016) "On freedom of conscience and on religious associations"
          Article 4. The state and religious associations.
          4. The activities of state authorities and local authorities are not accompanied by public religious rites and ceremonies. Officials of state authorities, other state bodies and local governments, as well as military personnel not entitled to use his official position to form one or another attitude to religion.
          1. Ermak
            Ermak April 27 2016 17: 22
            +3
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Quote: Ermak
            These are your speculations. It means that the government does not include a religious component.

            That is, the inclusion in the OSHS of army divisions of staff units called an army priest - is this "power does not include a religious component"?
            Article 14 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
            1. The Russian Federation is a secular state. No religion can be established as state or mandatory.
            2. Religious associations are separated from the state and are equal before the law.

            Federal Law of 26.09.1997 N 125-FZ (as amended on 30.03.2016) "On freedom of conscience and on religious associations"
            Article 4. The state and religious associations.
            4. The activities of state authorities and local authorities are not accompanied by public religious rites and ceremonies. Officials of state authorities, other state bodies and local governments, as well as military personnel not entitled to use his official position to form one or another attitude to religion.

            We follow the text of the law:

            federal law of 26.09.1997/125/XNUMX n XNUMX-ФЗ
            Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation,
            Affirming the right of everyone to freedom of conscience and freedom of religion, as well as equality before the law, regardless of attitude to religion and belief,
            based on the fact that the Russian Federation is a secular state,
            Recognizing the special role of Orthodoxy in the history of Russia
            , in the formation and development of its spirituality and culture,
            respecting Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism and other religions that are an integral part of the historical heritage of the peoples of Russia
            ,
            Considering it important to promote mutual understanding, tolerance and respect in matters of freedom of conscience and freedom of religion,
            Adopts this Federal Law.

            Selected by me.
            You do not correctly interpret the law; on the contrary, there is evidence that the right of a citizen is being realized
            federal law of 26.09.1997/125/XNUMX n XNUMX-ФЗ
            Article 3. The right to freedom of conscience and freedom of religion
             
            1. In the Russian Federation, freedom of conscience and freedom of religion are guaranteed, including the right to profess individually or jointly with others any religion or not to practice any, to perform services, other religious rites and ceremonies, to carry out religious education and religious education, to freely choose and change, have and disseminate religious and other beliefs and act in accordance with them, including creating religious associations.




            Article 15. Internal regulations of religious organizations
             
            4. The command of military units, taking into account the requirements of military regulations, does not prevent the participation of military personnel in services, other religious rites and ceremonies.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA April 27 2016 17: 36
              0
              A citizen in the public service has the right to profess individually or jointly with others any religion - in private. That is, by law, servicemen can go to church - no one takes this right from them. But to profess doesn’t mean be a full-time public servant.

              The staff unit of an army military priest just goes from the category participation of military personnel in services, other religious rites and ceremonies to category a soldier using his official position to form one or another attitude to religion. For in this case we have a soldier - sovereign man - engaged in public service religious activities.
              1. Ermak
                Ermak April 27 2016 17: 52
                +2
                Alexey RA RU Today, 17:36 ↑ New
                A citizen in the public service has the right to profess individually or jointly with others any religion - in private. That is, by law, servicemen can go to church - no one takes this right from them.

                You probably do not understand the fact that a soldier is not a civilian and does not have all the civilian capabilities due to the conditions of service, even in peacetime (not to mention military), but he still has rights. In order to ensure this right (compliance with the laws of the Russian Federation) there are army priests - the state thus regulates this issue.

                The staff unit of an army military priest just goes from the category of participation of military personnel in services, other religious rites and ceremonies into the category of military personnel. using his official position to form one or another attitude to religion. For in this case we have a soldier - a sovereign person - engaged in religious activities in the public service.

                Read the Federal Law of September 26.09.1997, 125 N 30.03.2016-FZ (as amended on March XNUMX, XNUMX) "On freedom of conscience and on religious associations", which you yourself cited as an example, it contains all the explanations.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA April 27 2016 19: 00
                  -1
                  Quote: Ermak
                  Read the Federal Law of September 26.09.1997, 125 N 30.03.2016-FZ (as amended on March XNUMX, XNUMX) "On freedom of conscience and on religious associations", which you yourself cited as an example, it contains all the explanations.

                  I read Articles - 15 and 4. According to them, soldiers have the right to freely participate in religious ceremonies, but they don’t have the right to engage in proselytizing in the service - use one's official position to form one or another attitude to religion. That is, a soldier has the right to go to church / mosque / synagogue / datsan. But preaching while in the service is not.

                  As soon as the unit appears full-time clergyman (full-time unit in the OSH) - he immediately falls under Article 4.
                  1. Mikhail Matyugin
                    Mikhail Matyugin 3 May 2016 21: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    . That is, a soldier has the right to go to church / mosque / synagogue / datsan.

                    Usually a soldier, also a regular soldier or on a contract, does not have such an opportunity - to freely visit the church of his professed religion. The state helps to realize his right to a soldier, what's the problem?
    3. dauria
      dauria April 27 2016 23: 16
      -1
      Why do you think that in a country where 97% of the population are believers of different faiths, of which 85% are Orthodox Christians, and 3% are atheists, the rights of the absolute majority should be infringed?


      According to the constitution, I think. And you must (not count, but execute) until you accept another.
      Article 14

      1. The Russian Federation is a secular state. No religion can be established as state or mandatory.

      2. Religious associations are separated from the state and are equal before the law.
  9. ava09
    ava09 April 27 2016 15: 29
    +1
    (c) “The photo taken at the Russian military base in Armenia shows, probably, the assistant commander of the compound for working with believing military personnel, Archimandrite Andrei (to you) (c)
    And he has enough levers (authority?) To make his division 100% Christian, therefore neither a mullah nor a deputy is needed there. upbringing, neither a rabbi nor anyone else. Patriotism must be fostered through an understanding of their roots and the wisdom of their ancestors. And these guys say that our ancestor is One, and he descended from a monkey, they teach in school. Obscurantism is continuous, an incubator of idiots.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 27 2016 15: 58
      +2
      Quote: ava09
      And these guys say that our ancestor is One, and he descended from a monkey, they teach in school.

      Something I do not remember in the school biology course on the topic "the origin of Odin from a monkey" ... laughing
  10. cedar
    cedar April 27 2016 15: 31
    +9
    All who fought clearly say: "There are no unbelievers in the war!"
  11. fridge
    fridge April 27 2016 15: 31
    -4
    The fee can be magnificent, as well as firewood, diesel fuel, sheep.
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  13. Breard
    Breard April 27 2016 16: 14
    -8
    Hmm ... here are the geeks .. and crawled into the army. Yes! not in vain .. In the book by A. Tolstoy "Walking through the agony (book 3)" the characterization of the priest is given:
    - pseudoscientific education;
    - unprincipled beliefs;
    - profession parasite.
    Oh! how this characteristic is relevant today!
    1. Putinets
      Putinets April 27 2016 16: 19
      +9
      - pseudoscientific education;
      - unprincipled beliefs;
      - profession parasite.

      Is this about priests? And it seems to me about the officials and deputies of the Duma
      1. Ermak
        Ermak April 27 2016 16: 20
        +3
        Quote: Putin
        - pseudoscientific education;
        - unprincipled beliefs;
        - profession parasite.

        Is this about priests? And it seems to me about the officials and deputies of the Duma

        +!
    2. APASUS
      APASUS April 27 2016 16: 47
      +6
      quote
      Quote: Breard
      Hmm ... here are the geeks .. and crawled into the army. Yes! not in vain .. In the book by A. Tolstoy "Walking through the agony (book 3)" the characterization of the priest is given:
      - pseudoscientific education;
      - unprincipled beliefs;
      - profession parasite.
      Oh! how this characteristic is relevant today!

      You then confuse BELIEF with a priest, in the know?
      The soldier is strong precisely with his FAITH, that's why super-equipped American soldiers lose to the Afghans, officially living in the Stone Age.
      A ram army led by a lion will always defeat a ram army led by a lion.
      © Napoleon Bonaparte
    3. 2s1122
      2s1122 April 27 2016 17: 26
      +1
      At present, half of the population fits this description, and in Ukraine even more (great Ukrainians)
  14. 2s1122
    2s1122 April 27 2016 16: 18
    +5
    I recalled the old film, there was some kind of brawl on the roofing felts deck with the Turks or the British. So the priest broke down and took off his cross laughing and under the cassock vest and fists like dummies. God’s help, so to speak angry
  15. ovod84
    ovod84 April 27 2016 16: 30
    -1
    Let there be a priest, a large tent where Muslim Jews and Christians, with Buddhists, could pray
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 27 2016 17: 01
      0
      Quote: ovod84
      Let there be a priest, a large tent where Muslim Jews and Christians, with Buddhists, could pray

      Yeah ... and Father Zvezdoony will serve there.
  16. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST April 27 2016 16: 43
    0
    Do chaplains run along the front lines?
    1. thinker
      thinker April 27 2016 17: 02
      +2
      Rules for wearing uniforms by the military clergy
      The field uniform is used by the military clergy in organizing work with believing military personnel in conditions of warfare; during a state of emergency, liquidation of accidents, natural hazards, disasters, natural and other disasters; in exercises, training, combat duty (military service).

      http://pobeda.ru/pravila-nosheniya-formyi-odezhdyi-voennyim-duhovenstvom.html
    2. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 3 May 2016 21: 20
      0
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Do chaplains run along the front lines?

      They run, even as they run. And the best of them still raised the companies to attack.
  17. 2s1122
    2s1122 April 27 2016 17: 38
    +1
    Quote: eleronn
    Shame ... The XNUMXst century in the yard, a secular state, where are we going? Is a herd of believers easier to manage?


    Probably Conchita Woods belay you were better in your opinion
    1. eleronn
      eleronn April 27 2016 23: 06
      -1
      Quote: 2s1122
      Probably Conchita Woods was better in your opinion

      judging by the grammar, you (of course) will be just right.
  18. veteran2015
    veteran2015 April 27 2016 18: 03
    +1
    Quote: Dimontius
    Such a priest will forgive the sins of his enemies, it will not seem enough!


    We rule PiSdunets for the priests ... Today we need to improve the army and navy not with "crosses and censes". And, for starters, the absence of corruption and kickbacks for today. Because every sailor soldier today thinks ...
    1. King
      King April 29 2016 07: 16
      0
      But stealing is a sin ...
  19. Brother
    Brother April 27 2016 18: 28
    +2
    Recently, I notice that many treat Christians as homosexuals, i.e. consider them abnormal...

    It’s very nice to look at the fact that most of the so-called atheists put themselves on one evolutionary step above all non-atheists...

    Cool here in the comments, the Breard user kindles and provokes in earnest...


    A few months ago I noticed for myself that I was imbued with respect for the Chechens, they hold together, respect each other, do not swear, do not fight, do not drink, respect the religion of their ancestors, many athletes, from this any lonely Rusich (we have 90% of them) to ram twist the horn (if necessary)...

    PS
  20. Million
    Million April 27 2016 18: 30
    +3
    Are the priests now instead of the political leaders?
    1. King
      King April 29 2016 07: 15
      +1
      The latter have not gone anywhere.
  21. Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev April 27 2016 19: 37
    0
    Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
    Your political instructors first led the country to the bloody catastrophe of 41-42 and then brought it to the collapse of statehood in 1991. Orthodox priests spiritually nourished Russian soldiers of 900 for years. Maybe it’s good that finally our government turned to the positive experience of their ancestors?

    Your priests first sold alcohol and tobacco duty-free. Exactly after the counter-revolution 91. We got ahead of ourselves on time, there is nothing to say. The house of the Soviets was demolished and in its place the "Iron" was installed at the expense of the working people. And even now they are not particularly poor, but to see it is not enough. Now we also need to suck on the MO feeder. Bourgeois in a cassock. More likely to ignore attacks on all their creeds than on 1/100 of their monetary income. Big-bellied hypocrites.
    1. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 3 May 2016 21: 22
      0
      Quote: Undermining the Foundations
      Your priests first duty-free alcohol and tobacco sold.

      It is a pity that you apparently did not learn to distinguish between faith, true shepherds and an official church.
  22. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 April 27 2016 20: 16
    0
    New uniform for army priests

    Nothing more to do? .. Or all hurt yourself, no pressing problems, which only remained as a form of priests to sew ... And by the way, are they separated from the state under the Constitution? .. Separated. Let them sew their own cassocks. It was still not enough to let taxpayer money into this masquerade ball ...
    1. King
      King April 29 2016 07: 14
      0
      Why did you decide that atheist tax money is allowed into this?

      Among taxpayers there are believers, they pay for it through the Russian Orthodox Church.
  23. kon125
    kon125 April 27 2016 21: 04
    +2
    It went to the fan. Our people are peaceful, it is believed that to bewitch them means to show their arrogance and independence of judgment. And the fact that at the same time the feeling of Russian Orthodox people is offended ... yes, it’s such a trifle. I read and pulls. Muslims behave more culturally regarding another's faith.
    1. eleronn
      eleronn April 27 2016 23: 11
      -1
      When the "priests" start paying taxes, then the attitude towards them will change. Although this is unlikely. The desire to fool people with the afterlife is exterminated by the direction of the faithful into the afterlife.
      1. King
        King April 29 2016 07: 12
        +2
        For the fact that they allegedly do not pay taxes?

        Well, you separated the Church from the state.
  24. Res_Ullus
    Res_Ullus April 27 2016 21: 18
    +2
    So, from the beginning of time,
    Grace is given to the soldier
    With God is safer to live,
    It is easy to die with God.
    by Kinchev
  25. Light
    Light April 27 2016 21: 40
    +1
    Lord have mercy
    1. eleronn
      eleronn April 27 2016 22: 55
      -1
      Here for a salary and contact him! People!!! What happened to you? Has the roof left completely? Why hospitals? Pray slave. Why science? Pray slave. Why questions to the authorities? All power is given by God! What? No?
      1. King
        King April 29 2016 07: 10
        0
        Where is it written / said?
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  26. eleronn
    eleronn April 27 2016 23: 15
    -2
    Any objections?
  27. eleronn
    eleronn April 27 2016 23: 17
    -1
    The idea is good! The incarnation let us down.
  28. Light
    Light April 27 2016 23: 24
    0
    Has Judas Earned?
    1. eleronn
      eleronn April 27 2016 23: 30
      -1
      And on what basis do you think that Judas existed? And why do you think the hierarchs worked?
      1. Mikhail Matyugin
        Mikhail Matyugin 3 May 2016 21: 25
        0
        Quote: eleronn
        And on what basis do you think that Judas existed? And why do you think the hierarchs worked?

        Ege, comrade, maybe Christ didn’t seem to you? If only the possessed Demian Poor would be glad!

        And why do you think that the whole society, and not only believers, should be guided by the worst of them, and not by the best? For example, saints are examples for all Orthodox. Read that life of St. Sergius of Radonezh for a change.
  29. eleronn
    eleronn April 27 2016 23: 32
    -3
    So fit?
    1. King
      King April 29 2016 07: 09
      -1
      Ask when they see.
      Someone is surely no one.
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  31. Light
    Light April 27 2016 23: 41
    +5
    Aileron, forgive me for believing in God. Humanity is more important to me. For you, money and humiliation.
  32. eleronn
    eleronn April 27 2016 23: 55
    -1
    <iframe src="https://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=76110813&id=163405975&hash=326503885d
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  33. Light
    Light April 28 2016 00: 08
    0
    nice drawn ... What is the meaning of life?
  34. Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev April 28 2016 00: 12
    0
    Quote: Light
    ... I believe in God. Humanity is more important to me. For you, money and humiliation.

    And I believe that he is not. And from the point of view of dialectical materialism, I can justify that it does not exist. To bring in such a simple way the scientific base for this faith, turning belief into conviction. And can you do this based on your subjective idealism? Obviously not. Dogmas do not suggest this.
    By the way, atheists do not yell at every corner about the violation of their feelings by believers. Atheists believe that there is no god, right? Therefore, they are also believers. We have a law regulating the insults of such feelings. Do you know? Atheists do not have churches, there are no priests, there are no ceremonies, and there is no need to allocate additional loot or a fellow country house for their maintenance. Cool, huh? Here let the rest of the believers and their adherents kick out in the ass from the executive cars, drive them from the seized land, melt their gold crosses to horseradish and replace them with brass, make their priests give up preferences, and separate all religion from the state, and especially from the general youth education. Do you want to pray? The church is around the corner. Do you want to educate your youth in religious rites? Yes please. But don’t hell with his fat belly and fat ass to go where the priests of all faiths are closed to the public administration under the Russian bourgeois Constitution.
    1. BarakHuseynovich
      BarakHuseynovich April 28 2016 05: 55
      +1
      Quote: Undermining the Foundations
      I can justify

      Try it ...

      Faith, from "fidelity"

      crosses are not for your grandmothers, you should not care about them at all
      why would it be closed to them - are they not citizens, and parishes do not have a legal entity?
    2. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 3 May 2016 21: 27
      0
      Quote: Undermining the Foundations
      . Do you want to pray? The church is around the corner. Do you want to educate your youth in religious rites? Yes please.

      Sorry, you obviously did not serve, for example, on the Chinese border.
  35. Light
    Light April 28 2016 00: 19
    +3
    You have written so much in faith of your atheism and even complained that you are being humiliated by believers from power structures!
  36. Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev April 28 2016 00: 22
    -3
    Quote: Light
    You have written so much in faith of your atheism and even complained that you are being humiliated by believers from power structures!

    Do not humiliate and rob. And what else can you expect from the bourgeois? They are not classified by religion. They all share a craving for dough.
  37. Light
    Light April 28 2016 00: 29
    +1
    I don’t even know how to write to you. I ask God to make life better every day and he does. And I know that none of the people can give it to me. Therefore, I believe in God. This is my life experience, my activity. I am far from your problems, grievances, passions ... etc. manifestations of fallen humanity. But I know for sure that there is God - I have checked this many times!
    1. kon125
      kon125 April 28 2016 09: 38
      +1
      I spoke like that with the late Alexis, Archbishop of Orekhovo Zuevsky .. The Man was wise .. This is a psychological moment, an atavism of primitive consciousness. To humiliate someone to excel in their own eyes. The higher the subject of humiliation, the higher self-esteem. If you take into account the role and importance The Russian Orthodox Church, her ascetic work, then of course. It is very tempting to spit in her direction. It turns out that by spitting, you become higher than the object of your attacks ... higher than the Lavra bell tower, as in that film about Golokhvastov .. Given that the Orthodox some kind of wrong reputation of very peaceful and patient people, attacks on the church turned out to be a pleasant sport. Because they won’t cut off the head, and generally .. freedom. And soon Easter. And we will all take to the cemeteries, to our grandfathers and grandfathers, who lie peacefully under crosses, without touching anyone. Their fathers buried, conducted, prayed. Just in case, these blasphemers will carry children to church. Then they will scam the Internet for a large donation. a Christmas tree in the bathhouse .. I would like to ask where are the limits of national and spiritual betrayal of these people. And again marvel at the genius of Dostoevsky, who said that without Faith the Russian person turns into.
      You need to re-read it. To learn. To think. And not to be the seekers of the Faith of your homeland.
      Sorry for the harshness. I am Orthodox. If Faith is to become a fault with me, I can always give a horn. With love. Christian. Big. Brotherly. Cheek

      we must substitute for our grievances. And we will stand for Faith. Like our relics.
      1. BarakHuseynovich
        BarakHuseynovich April 28 2016 17: 41
        -2
        Dostoevsky almost did not write anything correctly, no need to quote him.
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  38. Mentat
    Mentat April 29 2016 10: 11
    +2
    Quote: Saburov
    As a military man, I think this is generally unacceptable, it will be necessary, they themselves run away to the priest or to the mullah, and in order to introduce them into the army this senility and decay of the brain, supposedly everything depends on a higher power, instead of being properly trained to conduct military operations ... but that's all to pray! And besides ... if God allows you to kill children, rape women, steal and rob ... where is the heavenly punishment? Many of these killers, rapists and other scumbags calmly and happily live out their days somewhere in Hawaii. Moreover, it does not matter what religion he is. Or instead of teaching children and building schools, sports complexes, institutes and scientific laboratories to raise academics, engineers, designers, astronauts, scientists, athletes, cultural figures and others. Instead, they build chapels all over the world so that a person beats his forehead on the floor, believes in a higher power, does not think or reason, giving money and fulfilling any whims. As Osho said ... Religion was essentially created so that a person would not be bent. Or as Pelevin said ... between man and God, at least one outbid. It seems that we live in the 21 century, but it seems like in the Middle Ages. So Lenin was right when he said that Religion is opium for the people.

    You know, after you referred to Osho, it became clear that the decomposition of the brain came precisely from you, unfortunately.
    You know very well what Osho is. Or don’t you know? Then enlighten, and do not pop on the forum with a pseudo-philosophical balcony.

    Osho is a madman, a fraudster who arbitrarily appropriated his title, who was engaged in bioterrotism, contained a stash, was convicted in a criminal case, and even expelled from such a hotbed of “freedom of religion” as the United States, where, for example, there is a global headquarters for Satanists.

    On the basis of Osho’s labors, his kooky followers created the so-called “neo-tantra,” a hodgepodge of overwhelming practices sprinkled with “free sex” on top, which cripples people's health because it’s nothing but an enticing element for scammers from neo-tantra . Now, even under the "yoga salons" disguised.

    This scum, which breaks the psyche and health of young people in the most literal sense, needs to be swept out of the country, and here you are referring to the statements of the criminal, the impostor and the crazy Osho. Save your brain from decomposition in the first place.
    1. Saburov
      Saburov April 30 2016 01: 44
      0
      Quote: Mentat
      You know, after you referred to Osho, it became clear that the decomposition of the brain came precisely from you, unfortunately.
      You know very well what Osho is. Or don’t you know? Then enlighten, and do not pop on the forum with a pseudo-philosophical balcony.

      Osho is a madman, a fraudster who arbitrarily appropriated his title, who was engaged in bioterrotism, contained a stash, was convicted in a criminal case, and even expelled from such a hotbed of “freedom of religion” as the United States, where, for example, there is a global headquarters for Satanists.

      On the basis of Osho’s labors, his kooky followers created the so-called “neo-tantra,” a hodgepodge of overwhelming practices sprinkled with “free sex” on top, which cripples people's health because it’s nothing but an enticing element for scammers from neo-tantra . Now, even under the "yoga salons" disguised.

      This scum, which breaks the psyche and health of young people in the most literal sense, needs to be swept out of the country, and here you are referring to the statements of the criminal, the impostor and the crazy Osho. Save your brain from decomposition in the first place.


      I read Osho, but apparently you are not. With the same success, you can add to this piggy bank Freud, Soloviev, Berdyaev, Pavlov, Jung, Uspensky and others. I am not a supporter of his practices and I absolutely do not give a damn what he invented or cheated for himself there; I should have familiarized myself with him in my work. But you know why he began to be considered a persona non grata in many developed countries? Because in his books and philosophical reasoning, he clearly and readily began to explain how, why and why society is governed by religion and what it turns a person into a consumer l.a.t.s.t.w. and inability to reason and understand his vices. And his ideology and reasoning are closer to the communist manifestos only on the basis of mysticism and Hinduism, so many labels were hung on him, as on Stalin. Do not read Wikipedia, the truth is there as in a yellow newspaper, and the next time to discuss topics like philosophy and psychology, study the source material.
      1. BarakHuseynovich
        BarakHuseynovich April 30 2016 05: 24
        0
        Quote: Saburov
        I read Osho, but apparently you are not. With the same success, you can add to this piggy bank Freud, Soloviev, Berdyaev, Pavlov, Jung, Uspensky and others.

        You can not add. Klimov wrote well about almost all of them ... lol

        ancient Greeks and medieval Japanese were really full of holes like Lyashko, hence such flawed logic
  39. Mentat
    Mentat April 29 2016 11: 17
    +1
    Quote: Saburov

    Now about your “quote.” In fact, Epicurus lived in an environment of polytheism. What you brought in the picture is forgery and deceit.

    Epicurus talked about gods, believing that they are in ignorance, unwillingness and the inability to contact the world of people. S t.z. philosophy and theology - loudly and unreasonably. Hence his saying. He talked about some blessed beings who are in the “world between” and in no way related to people's lives. Those, in his view, were some god.

    With his "conclusion of Epicurus" he tried to argue his above position that these certain creatures do not care about people. However, this, for example, does not solve the problem of the existence of non-good, non-absolute and not omniscient gods. His position during his life was full of holes, in other words.
    In monotheism, and among the Greeks in monolatry, there was also a contradiction.
    In its modern form, it was designed by Leibniz.

    But actually, almost half a century before Epicurus, Aristotle in the book XII “Metaphysics” clearly stated the incomprehensible Epicurus, to you and to the drawers of pictures with fake quotes.

    In other words, you hustle into the forum naphthalene ports under the guise of revelations of the 21st century.
    1. Saburov
      Saburov April 30 2016 01: 55
      0
      Quote: Mentat
      Now about your “quote.” In fact, Epicurus lived in an environment of polytheism. What you brought in the picture is forgery and deceit.
      Epicurus talked about the gods, believing that they were in ignorance, unwillingness and the inability to contact the world of people. S t.z. philosophy and theology - loudly and unreasonably. Hence his saying. He talked about some blessed beings who are in the “world between” and in no way related to people's lives. Such, in his view, were some gods.
      With his "conclusion of Epicurus" he tried to argue his above position that these certain creatures do not care about people. However, this, for example, does not solve the problem of the existence of non-good, non-absolute and not omniscient gods. His position during his life was full of holes, in other words.
      In monotheism, and among the Greeks in monolatry, there was also a contradiction.
      In its modern form, it was designed by Leibniz.
      But actually, almost half a century before Epicurus, Aristotle in the book XII “Metaphysics” clearly stated the incomprehensible Epicurus, to you and to the drawers of pictures with fake quotes.
      In other words, you rush to the forum naphthalene portkov under the guise of revelations of the 21 century


      Here you are again citing the "free" wikipedia. Although you blame her yourself
      Quote: Mentat
      Wikipedia (more precisely, authors to whom the resource guide gives it a green light) loves to edit articles on a military topic in a certain direction.
      For example, an article about the Battle of Ardenne was edited repeatedly. Entire layers of factual material were removed from the article to present the role of the USSR as completely insignificant, as if the Allies had coped with the situation independently and brilliantly. Meanwhile, everything was a little different.

      My dear, have you ever read it yourself? And from your bell tower do you still call his position full of holes? Who are you and who is Epicurus? Let's start with this? Here is the link http://ancientrome.ru/antlitr/epikouros/index.htm when you read the material, then we’ll talk, and to answer such nonsense ... this is at least silly due to your youth or ignorance.
      1. BarakHuseynovich
        BarakHuseynovich April 30 2016 05: 30
        +1
        So the conclusion of the "Epicureans" from their or not their verbosity in the picture is what?
        And where does evil come from?

        "Maybe, but you should do most of it yourself."
        would be kinder and would not be full of holes - guessed about it.
  40. Mentat
    Mentat April 30 2016 09: 51
    0
    Quote: Saburov
    Quote: Mentat
    Now about your “quote.” In fact, Epicurus lived in an environment of polytheism. What you brought in the picture is forgery and deceit.
    Epicurus talked about the gods, believing that they were in ignorance, unwillingness and the inability to contact the world of people. S t.z. philosophy and theology - loudly and unreasonably. Hence his saying. He talked about some blessed beings who are in the “world between” and in no way related to people's lives. Such, in his view, were some gods.
    With his "conclusion of Epicurus" he tried to argue his above position that these certain creatures do not care about people. However, this, for example, does not solve the problem of the existence of non-good, non-absolute and not omniscient gods. His position during his life was full of holes, in other words.
    In monotheism, and among the Greeks in monolatry, there was also a contradiction.
    In its modern form, it was designed by Leibniz.
    But actually, almost half a century before Epicurus, Aristotle in the book XII “Metaphysics” clearly stated the incomprehensible Epicurus, to you and to the drawers of pictures with fake quotes.
    In other words, you rush to the forum naphthalene portkov under the guise of revelations of the 21 century


    My dear, have you ever read it yourself? And you from your bell tower call his position full of holes? Who are you and who is Epicurus?


    Epicurus is a philosopher of antiquity, whose position has been criticized a hundred times. S t.z. modern philosophy of its construction are outdated (in the context of theodicy). Although he is considered the first to formulate the postulates of theodicy problem.

    This is a more detailed paragraph, meaning similar to "mothballs".
    Do you disagree with something, would you like to argue with arguments?

    However, you did not start your statements with a reasoned discussion, but by bulling and poking a finger into the audience and the phrase "brain liquefaction."

    Plus, such "authorities" as Osho give enough insight into what is in your brain. I won’t be surprised that some pop music from “alternatively gifted philosophy”, such as LaVey, will also be revealed there.


    Quote: Saburov
    Let's start with this?

    You should have started with an adequate introduction. But if you want to continue, as I already wrote: “Metaphysics,” book XII, Aristotle. Begin, enlighten. To have something to talk about, really. Air your naphthalene.
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      BarakHuseynovich April 30 2016 15: 06
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      The position is such as to offer several options and all are wrong, and leave the choice to the buyer ...