The value of ambush in the Mongolian strategy and tactics of warfare. Part of 2

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Thomas Splitsky, who collected a large number of testimonies about the Mongol invasion of the Hungarian kingdom in 1241 – 1242, drew attention to the fact that the Mongols deliberately sent horseback mobile units that were supposed to “tease” their frequent attacks of Hungarian soldiers who were in fortified camp, and thereby lure them out. Yielding to this tactical trick of the Mongols, the Hungarian king ordered his "select warriors to meet them." The Hungarian army, having built its ranks, "came out against them in full arms and strict order. But the detachments of the Tatars, without waiting for hand-to-hand combat, and, as is usual among them, throwing arrows at the enemy, hurriedly rushed to flee. Then the king, with all his army, almost on the heels of his pursuers, approached the river Tisza; having crossed it and already exulting as if the enemy hordes had already been driven out of the country, they reached another river, which is called Solo (r. Chaillot). And all the many Tatars camped behind this river in a place hidden among dense forests, from where they were not fully visible to the Hungarians, but only a part ”. Again here we see the standard trick. The Mongols, with the initial attacks of the advanced detachments, pursued the goal of literally “pulling out” their opponent in a tactically convenient area for them, where the main shock forces of the Mongolian forces could wait for them.

The value of ambush in the Mongolian strategy and tactics of warfare. Part of 2


Later author - Matvey Mekhovsky - noted in his work that the Tatars, being in the region of r. The yews, making their raids from there, “devastated and burned Vatsu with her cathedral church. They also approached Pest, where King Bela the Fourth gathered an army against them, but then left, now approaching, now fleeing, according to his military tactics. ” In fact, these maneuvers pursued one goal - to lure the enemy into operational-tactical space, on which the Mongolian troops could quietly cover them from different sides. Ambush - traps were arranged by the troops not only in an open area, but also in populated areas. Thus, the commander of Urus-Khan "Kara-Kisek-Oglan sent Otrar to get the language, Satkin the big and Satkin the small, the most prominent Uzbek brave men (bahadur), with a hundred horsemen. One peasant (barzigar) saw them outside the city and reported to Ak-Timur-bakhadur. Ak-Timur-bakhadur with 15 riders suddenly went to them, seemed to lure enemies, fled, and among the streets and gardens in some corner sat in an ambush. Enemies with complete hope jumped, dropping the reins. When they passed the ambush site, Bahadur approached from behind, struck everyone with sword strikes, killed (Hurdapai) subordinates, and sent the elders to the court. ” It is noteworthy that the attack of the soldiers who were in ambush at the enemy was carried out, as a rule, from behind, i.e. from the rear, or the side that did not expect an attack.

The successful, operational-tactical location of the ambush on the eve of the approach of the enemy troops sometimes radically changed the military-strategic situation in its favor and did not allow the enemy to begin active hostilities. In the winter of 1318, the large Golden Horde army, commanded by Uzbek Khan, invaded through the Iron Gate (Derbent) into the territory of Hulaguid Iran. The military operation was curtailed in view of the fact that “two Mongols seized from the army of the peacekeeper (Abu Sa’id) led to Uzbek Khan, who personally began to interrogate them about the situation of Emir Chupan. They replied: "Chupan with 10 mists of troops, for [setting up] an ambush, through Karchaga came to the rear of you." Uzbek-Khan, in Mongolian style, said to Kutlug-Timur and Isa-gurgan: “The person we are looking for is in our rear; Where should we go? ” In this situation, the Uzbek army was forced to withdraw to their original positions.



In 1335, the army of the Golden Horde was defeated due to the fact that the Hulaguid ruler Arpa Khan "with a large army and uncountable weapons and with equipment he went to the bank of the Kura and occupied the river bank wherever a crossing was possible, and from (different) sides sent considerable troops with eminent emirs to go to the rear of the Uzbeks, bravely attacked them from an ambush and showed them at night Doomsday. The plan was a success. ” Golden Horde once again had to retreat. In order to avoid, or minimize as much as possible, the risks at war, the available military forces were divided into several main parts, one of which was responsible for ensuring security during marching, in battle, and on rest.

В stories military art, they received the name of guard troops, performing tactical functions for the protection of logistics and strategic communications. The presence of such special units made it possible to avoid escaping the troops into an ambush prepared by the enemy, to protect their vulnerable sides and not to allow them to strike a sudden blow at their own battle formations. The role of the guard service increased during the period of lengthy military campaigns, especially during their stay in enemy territory. Genghis Khan, being in the Central Asian-Iranian region “for the sake of supervision and protection of the roads to Ghaznin, Garchistan, Zabul and Kabul, sent Shiki-Kutuk with several other emirs, such as: Takachak, Mulgar, Ukar-Kalja, Kutur-Kalja, with 30 thousands of people in those limits, so that they conquered those countries as far as possible, and also were a guard army [guard] so that he and his son Tului-khan could freely engage in the conquest of the possessions of Khorasan. ” In addition to capturing the listed points, the main purpose of sending a large sentry force (in fact, in military language, the observational corps) under the general leadership of Shiki-Kutuk was to cover the rear areas of the main army units engaged in conquering the specified area.



In 1245, Mr. Plano Karpini, who was passing through the Russian lands south of Kiev in the Kanev region, met on his way the first frontier possessions of the Mongols, ruled by the commander Korenzoi (Kurumishi - supposedly the third son of the Horde), who was the “master of all those who set up an outpost against all the peoples of the West , so that they do not accidentally rush on them suddenly and unawares; as we heard, this leader has under his rule sixty thousand armed men. " This information practically coincides with the information of Benedict, who calls the city of Kanev the western foothold of the Tatar army. Even if you critically consider the proposed number of advanced Mongolian troops in the west - "60 000", then there is no doubt that the task of this combat unit is the function of the guard corps, providing protection against a sudden attack from this side. The same task was carried out by the “guard unit” under the command of the grandson of Shiban, the son of Balakan - Toktadai (Murtad-Toktadai, Tama-Tokday), whose winter camps were located “near the Terek River, near Derbend”. This shock corps of the Golden Horde army was stationed here permanently and was concentrated against a specific goal - Hulaguid Iran. From the time of Berke’s rule, the Derbent gorge (or “Iron Gate”), which blocked the main routes between the two states, was entrusted to the “protection of a noble emir”. The military forces of Ulus Juchi in this region were considered among the most combat-ready in the Horde army. The ambassadors of Khan Tokta, directed to the ruler of Iran, Gazan-Khan, boastfully told him, wanting to emphasize the military power of the Golden Horde, that “starting from the Crimea and Karakorum to the outskirts of Derbend, the 10 of our army’s overhead guard troops stand so that the tent is adjacent to the tent and the rope [hip] clings to the rope. " It was from this strong point of the southern borders of the Golden Horde that all the Juchids attacked the Ilkhanids in the 13th – 14th centuries. The heir to Hulagu - Abaga-Khan, becoming the sovereign ruler, first of all, sent troops to protect the borders. “First of all, he sent his brother Yushumut to Derbent, Shirvan and Mugan to Altan to protect those limits from the enemy, and he also appointed another brother Tubshin with a full army to Khorasan and Mazandaran to the banks of the Amui River,” etc. Abaga, enmity with the Chagataid Barak, sent “his son Argon with a great equestrian army to the country of the Dry Tree, to the Ion River itself [i.e. R. Amu Darya. - A.K.]; and there he lived with his army, he guarded the land, so that King Kaida would not destroy them. He lived Argon with his army in these plains of the Dry Tree, guarded many cities and castles all around. ”



Argun did likewise, reigning on the Ilkhan throne, who sent “the son of Kazan with thirty thousand horsemen to the Dry Tree, that is, to these countries, to guard and protect their people and their lands”. Thus, the rulers of the Mongolian uluses gave priority to the safety and security of their possessions. The significance of these military units is indicated by the fact that in the structure of the Mongolian army the heads of the guard units were equalized with other higher ranks of the troops. Thousands of sentry units — commanders of regiments were endowed with the same honors as governors of 10 thousandth corps — tumens. This indicates that the military-administrative status of these two, seemingly, at first glance, non-equivalent categories of military officials was equated. In the event of an enemy attack, the guard troops assumed the entire brunt at the initial stage of the war. The army of the Egyptian Mamluks was many times superior to the sentry units of Kit-Bugi-noyon, which had been previously assigned to Hulagu, but the Mongols and the Georgians and Armenians allied with them in the battle of Ain-i-Jalut 1260 were defeated. In the autumn of 1308 (708), there was a major military confrontation between the advance units of the troops of Khan Tokta and Ilkhan of Iran Uldjate in the border area. Here is how the chronicle of Rukn ad-Din Bai-leopher reports about this: “Watch them post [Ilkhanids. - AK], detached to the frontier of their possessions, met the Tokta guard detachment [who was there] to guard their lands; a clash occurred between them and some attacked others. Defeated by the guard Harbend [degrading nickname to Uljate. - AK] and suffered a great defeat. Only a few of them were saved. This is what prevented them from moving further. ” This example shows that the further course of the military campaign depended on the combat readiness and initial success of the sentry units.



The army of the Central Asian conqueror Timur, approaching the army of Toktamysh, advanced towards him a guard detachment, which received the following instruction: “When you see the black mass of the enemy troops, then if there are many of them, you show yourself and, after starting to flee, step back so they are deceived and moved forward. Hurry to let everyone know what happens. ” It is clear here that the main task of this guard detachment was to lure (if you can literally say so. Pull out) the enemy behind you, i.e. so that they move closer to the positions of the main forces preparing for a covert, massive attack. False tactical withdrawal of the advanced parts of the army, this is the most tried and tested method of the Mongolian field battle, designed to bring the enemy to the pursuit of the "fleeing" troops, during which he lost tactical control over the course of the battle. At the same time, during the invasion of Timur’s armada 1391, Toktamysh himself tried to weaken his enemy through the alleged retreat of the Golden Horde troops. He “learned that hunger reigned among his troops [Timur. - AK] the pursuer and hoped to tire them with long marches, avoiding any collision and constantly retreating as they approached, while his outposts showed up every day in order to disappear in this vast desert and lure the enemy army there, "the French historian believed M. Charmois. This is confirmed by Yazdi, according to which Toktamysh "did not stop until the arrival of Timurov’s troops, and the guard posts of the enemy army showed up daily, but turning back, they left and, moving away to this boundless steppe, did not stop." Toktamysh, therefore, tried to apply a long-term withdrawal strategy, relying on the exhaustion of the invading Chagatai troops. At the same time, he had no support for the fortifications of cities.



The principle of tactical retreat has always been successfully applied in the troops of the Golden Horde khans, based on the numerical and, accordingly, tactical inequality of the opposing sides. 7 July 1445 in the battle on the river. Kamenka two thousand squad of the sons of Khan Ulu-Mohammed - Makhmutek and Yakub met with the army of Basil II of Moscow. The battle was relatively short, but tough. The Golden Horde “feignedly ran to disrupt the fighting order of the Russians. Having lost the fighters in 500, Makhmutek and Yakub eventually snatched the victory from the hands of the Grand Duke of Moscow. Basil himself, wounded from head to foot, was captured. "

Similar information can be found in many Western written sources. The Crimean Tatars - the heirs of the military art of the Golden Horde preferred ambushes in the war. “They [i.e. Tatars. - A.K.] do not like, - says J. Fletcher, - to join the battle, but they have some ambushes, where (appearing once and having fought lightly) they are immediately removed, as if from fear, and thus if possible, lure the enemy here. " The soldiers of the Kazan Khanate acted in the same way in the 16th century, when another Moscow prince Vasily III marched a large army against disobedient Kazan. The Kazan commanders decided to outsmart the Muscovites many times above them and set up their military camp “in full view of the enemy, whereas the best part of the army was hidden in a place convenient for an ambush. Then, as if startled by fear, they suddenly rushed out of the camp and started to flee. The Muscovites, who were not so far away, saw the flight of the Tatars and, having forgotten about the system, promptly rushed to the camp of the enemy. While they, believing themselves to be safe, were busy plundering the camp, the Tatars, together with the archers of the Cheremis, ambushed and staged such a massacre that the Muscovites were forced to flee, leaving their guns (tormenta) and guns. Together with the others, they fled, leaving the guns, and two gunners. ”

Building on this particular tactic of the Turkic peoples, Mihalon Litvin, speaking of the "mores of the Tatars" and other ethnic groups close to them, emphasizes that "often turning to flight, turning back, they stop and, when the haunting enemy is already scattered, attack on him from ambushes, and so sometimes they, the vanquished, take away the victory from the winners. " It should be noted that the pace of such an imaginary flight was very intense and made it possible in the process of “indiscriminate” retreat to captivate and at the same time disrupt (scatter, crush) the enemy’s combat tactical construction. It also suggests that steppe commanders were not only well versed in military art, but also used sophisticated elements of military psychology, imposing on the enemy a false idea of ​​his supposedly tactical superiority, while convincingly imitating the role of “future victim” and at the same time showing his own weakness. Such military-tactical scenarios were carefully prepared in advance and, quite obviously, the functions of the main performers of this action were clearly distributed.



In medieval written sources (Persian-Turkic origin) in military clashes involving Kazakh and Uzbek rulers, the ambush is often also mentioned as a separate military unit operating independently on the battlefield. So, “when the troops of both sides mixed with each other, the swordheads' bakhadurs and brave knights [Abu-l-Khair-Khan], coming out of the ambush ..., surrounded Mustafa-Khan's army], they, by the will of the Most High Lord, lit the fire of battle and the battles, in turn, the warriors of Mustafa Khan, saw that the sea of ​​troops [Abu-l-Khair-Khan] ... and releasing the reins of the will, [they] fled. Mustafa Khan, throwing out of his thought a strong passion of leadership and padishahstva, turned to flight. The army, the shelter of victory, with the help of God drew the sword of bloodshed on them, and so many people from the enemy's army were killed that the accountant of the mind was powerless to count [them]. ” The advantageous (secretive) location of the ambush, skillfully hidden on the ground (shrubs, reed beds, steppe beams, etc.), as a rule, predetermined the whole course of a fierce battle. Thus, in the battle between Muhammad Shaibani-Khan and the Kazakh Janish Sultan, the latter, “having chosen a convenient time, ... went along narrow paths and through a thicket of trees and reed beds and made a crushing attack on the troops of Sultans (Shibanites)” and almost succeeded .



Thus, the above convincingly demonstrates that the nomadic peoples in the Mongolian period used such tactical tactics as ambushes in an initiative and effective way, bringing them to high operational art. The ambush as a pre-planned form of the future battle was used by the troops in the military practice of Eurasian nomads for a long period and survived to a fixed ethnographic reality. At the same time, it is worth noting that the military strategy of nomadic peoples was characterized by the advancement of so-called. guard (or more precisely security) troops stationed in key geographic areas and performing border and intelligence services. In the Golden Horde system of protection of geopolitical borders, a special place was occupied by border lands - Derbent (North Caucasus region) or distant Khorezm (Central Asian region), which had geostrategic importance, where there were always strong “watchdogs” of the Golden Horde, advanced against the possessions of Hulaguids and other political opponents. It can be said that border-guard lines passed here, marking the state borders or the limits delimiting the two powers. At the same time, these were the advanced military bases of the Golden Horde troops, which defended the attack of the enemy or concentrated in the event of an invasion of the territory of neighboring states.
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  1. -4
    1 May 2016 06: 28
    Twenty five again. Great Mongolia, from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic. Tired of reading this nonsense already. I look at a lot of ancient monuments in Mongolia left from the past civilization, just a dime a dozen. And when did the Mongols themselves learn about their greatness? Not so long ago. And a hundred years have not passed. Whether Rome, and the remnants of the ancient civilization of Egypt. And here in the afternoon with fire you will not find anything like this, like the tale of Genghis Khan’s treasure, which they seek and cannot find, why? Yes, because there was no this fact.

    Thus, the foregoing convincingly testifies that the nomadic peoples in the Mongol period proactively and effectively used such a tactical device as an ambush, bringing it to a high operational skill.

    The son-in-law (MVD officer) returns home early in the morning, meets his mother-in-law on the doorstep, well, he says, the son-in-law wandered around at night, where, at work, sat in ambush on the criminal, well, as the mother-in-law asks how many times he planted?
    Thus, this indicates that the Nightingale the robber, also acted from an ambush, and our tales are a clear example and confirmation of this.
    what's new then? ambushes have been and always will be, even the beast attacks from an ambush.
    1. Riv
      +6
      1 May 2016 08: 32
      The Tatars themselves (forget the word "Mongols", yes!) Were no more nomadic people than the Cossacks at the end of the 19th century. Cossacks graze horses in summer, cattle in the steppe, they can hit the road somewhere, but in spring - sowing, in summer - haymaking, in autumn - harvest. Otherwise, you can stretch your legs. The service of the sovereign will not always feed.
    2. +5
      2 May 2016 09: 06
      "I see a lot of ancient monuments in Mongolia left from the bygone civilization, just a dime a dozen" - do you expect to see the ruins of the Colosseum near the steppe as a sign of greatness?)
    3. +8
      2 May 2016 12: 46
      = Sirocco "Again twenty-five. Great Mongolia, from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic. I'm tired of reading this nonsense."
      To each his own ... but for example I’m tired of reading bogus about tartaria and other elven dregs)))
  2. PKK
    -9
    1 May 2016 06: 38
    In other words, the article describes the liberation struggle of European rebels against the power of the Tsar, the Empire of Rus.
    For the first time I read about Hungarians in 1200. Were they then exactly?
    1. +14
      1 May 2016 07: 14
      This suggests that you haven’t read anything about Hungarians at all and, in principle, are not interested in history.
      1. PKK
        +1
        1 May 2016 08: 17
        Where do such categorical conclusions come from? History is not a science, but only an exposition for his own benefit of some "historian" of the information from the past that was invented either by himself or by someone before him.
        Happy Double Dear!
        1. +2
          1 May 2016 09: 08
          Well, I’m telling you that you don’t love and don’t know the story, so do your health.
    2. +10
      1 May 2016 08: 48
      Well, yes, it is more patriotic to know the "elf story" about the great Russians, supercivilization, demigods.
    3. +7
      1 May 2016 10: 15
      "For the first time I read about the Hungarians in 1200. Were they sure then?" ///

      Not only were, but the Hungarian army was the strongest in Europe.
      Therefore, the catastrophic defeat of the Hungarians from Batu caused
      real panic. And the defeat of the German-Polish army left
      Europe without protection at all. Next who could (theoretically and with a little
      probability of success) only Franks were opposed to the Moggol-Tatars.
      (England was weak at that time).
      Fortunately, Batu turned off the campaign, since he needed to come (personally and
      with military force) on the Kurultay in the Horde.
      1. -10
        1 May 2016 12: 40
        ... do not tell my slippers ..
        Ivan Kalita = Yaroslav Vsevolodovich
        not a steppe, but the Tsar = Khan of Russia (Muscovy, etc.) ..
      2. -5
        1 May 2016 13: 12
        ..chi gypsies - chi Hungarians - one hell, the current in his left hand, .. yes isho Moldovan - they are the same from this ulus ..
      3. +4
        1 May 2016 17: 27
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Not only were, but the Hungarian army was the strongest in Europe.

        In 1239 - 1240, after defeating the southern Russian principalities, Batu sent his tumens to Western Europe. Warriors from Russia, including the Cherkassians and Brodniks, readily took part in the campaign of the Mongol-Tatars against their ancient enemies "Ugrians and Poles". Numerous European chronicles and chronicles of that time paint a completely non-Mongolian appearance and language of the Tatar-Mongolian army that came to Europe. This is how the Hungarian king Bela wrote to the pope: “When the state of Hungary from the Mongol invasion, like a plague, for the most part was turned into the desert and like a sheepfold was surrounded by various tribes of infidels, namely: Russian rovers from the east, Bulgarians and other heretics from the south ... ".
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Fortunately, Batu turned off the campaign

        Until 1242, Khan Batu led the Mongolian Western campaign, as a result of which the western part of the Polovtsian steppe, Volga Bulgaria, Russia were conquered, all countries to the Adriatic and Baltic were defeated and conquered: Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Croatia, Dalmatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Bulgaria other. The Mongol military art, perfected by the great Genghis Khan, was an order of magnitude higher than the others, the defeat of the European armies was complete. During this time, the Mongol-Tatars did not lose a single battle. The army of the Mongol Empire reached Central Europe. Frederick II, emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, tried to organize resistance. However, when Batu demanded obedience, he replied that he could become a falconer of the khan. The salvation of Europe came from where they did not wait. In the summer of 1241, the great Mongol Khan Ogedei fell ill and recalled his children and grandchildren from the front, and in December 1241 died. The first Mongolian turmoil was brewing. The numerous Chingizid princes who commanded the Tumen in the army of Khan Batu, sensing a fight for power, left the front one by one with their troops and returned to their uluses. Batu did not have the strength to attack alone with the forces of his ulus alone and completed his campaign to the West in 1242. His troops retreated to the Volga, a few years later the city of Saray-Batu was founded on the banks of Akhtuba, which became the new center of the Juchi ulus.
        1. 0
          1 May 2016 22: 51
          Thanks for the interesting details.
          I read about all these things for quite some time, and
          in the details, of course, confused.
      4. 0
        3 May 2016 21: 03
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Not only were, but the Hungarian army was the strongest in Europe.
        Therefore, the catastrophic defeat of the Hungarians from Batu caused
        real panic.

        Well, exaggeration is not necessary, probably the German knights are so, passed by? and what about the troops of the French king? compared to the Hungarians?
        1. 0
          30 November 2016 08: 19
          And were the German knights strong? O_O What did they conquer then? Yes, nevermind.
    4. 0
      4 May 2016 16: 34
      Magyars - self-designation
  3. Riv
    +2
    1 May 2016 08: 26
    The article is good, but the pictures, as always, amused. I don't know how the Horde was about cheetahs (I suspect not at all), but the structure depicted weighs ten tons, no less. It is unrealistic to drag him across the steppe, off-road on wooden wheels, even if they are human-sized. It's like putting a light tank on wooden axles, removing the tracks and saying, "Go!" How many bulls are there? Fifteen pieces? Roughly speaking: half a hundred horsepower. Here is the engine with the same 50 hp. put on this tank. :)

    In general, you shouldn't really believe the pictures. "This is an artist, he sees so."
    1. +1
      1 May 2016 09: 38
      In my opinion there are snow leopards depicted there? request
      1. -4
        1 May 2016 12: 50
        It depicts the idiocy of the nationalities, who see their Greatness and superiority in everything ... they will get drunk with vodka, snot and drool and shout - this is my land, I’m the landlord and ... they’re climbing into a fight ..
      2. +2
        2 May 2016 05: 49
        Shanghai! See how the fur shimmers!
  4. +1
    1 May 2016 08: 30
    The ambush tactics, the war of nerves .. entrusted to the enticement lost .. not seduced, won ..
    In 1378 Mamai sent a large army under the command of Begich and several other Murzas to Russia. Russian regiments under the command of the Grand Duke himself crossed the river. Oku and went to meet Begich. Earlier than the Horde, they managed to approach the river. Get ready for battle. Begich did not dare to cross the river in full view of the Russian army and, according to the chronicler, "stood for many days." Then Dmitry Ivanovich himself decided to move away from the river, "give the bank" to the Horde in order to force them to "direct battle". The runner fell into the set trap. His cavalry began to cross the Vozha and accumulate on its left, Russian bank. The attack of the Russian army was swift and unstoppable. The "big regiment" under the leadership of the Grand Duke struck the enemy "in the face", and two other regiments - the devious Timofey and Prince Daniel Pronsky - entered from the flanks. them, secuchi, and prickly, and killing a multitude of them, and ini in the river istoposh ", Begich himself died in the battle. The pursuit of the defeated enemy continued until darkness, rich booty fell into the hands of the victors. The remnants of the Begich army" ran to the Horde. " suffered a complete defeat.
    1. -9
      1 May 2016 13: 01
      Dmitry Donskoy and Khan Mamai (Velyaminov) are relatives.
      Dmitry Donskoy, Velyaminov’s nephew .. The Kulikovo battle is a brawl .. This is a power struggle in the Horde (army of Russia) .. (Well, where do the Japanese with murza and samurai adapt for racy-so Hollywood rested? ..)
    2. +1
      1 May 2016 14: 45
      ... only delirium tremens ..
    3. -2
      1 May 2016 14: 45
      ... only delirium tremens ..
  5. -5
    1 May 2016 08: 59
    Well, the storyteller laughing to be continued? And let's write how the yoke of the Omerians played 432 wassat
  6. +3
    1 May 2016 18: 33
    Quote: Cartalon
    Well, I’m telling you that you don’t love and don’t know the story, so do your health.

    It is always interesting to hear about our history of a person with a nickname in Latin.
  7. +1
    1 May 2016 21: 54
    When I was reading Balashov, I got an eye cut with "Urus-khan". Someone can explain to me what this Khan of the Golden Horde is with such a funny name "Urus", and also there was such a frame as "Circassian Khan".

    The very first drawing is amusing. You look at the Mongol Katar in sheepskin coats and on small horses digging grass from under the snow ...
  8. -7
    1 May 2016 22: 13
    Most of all, when reading such articles, the Mongols rejoice. Well, how have 300 years been mocked over Russia. That's just nothing Mongolian left in the cultural heritage. Probably the Great Russian Princes, and after them the kings burned everything with a red-hot iron. Even now I can hardly imagine how horse troops can be deployed from the territory of modern Mongolia not only to Moscow, but to Hungary. By the way, as far as I remember from the school history of the USSR, the Hungarians are the descendants of the Polovtsy, who washed off to Europe from defeat. Even today, the Hungarian language in structure is not similar to any European. Yes, and the Polovtsy were smashed clearly not by the Mongols.
    1. +3
      1 May 2016 22: 38
      Hungarians are descendants of Polovtsy? O_O This is in what the textbook was such nonsense?
    2. +1
      2 May 2016 08: 34
      Quote: erik cartman
      Today the Hungarian language is not similar in structure to any European.

      Finno-Ugric language group
    3. 0
      2 May 2016 09: 55
      Yeah ...))) Hungary. Mongol Shuudan. Greetings from Ulan Bator!
    4. +3
      2 May 2016 12: 11
      Quote: erik cartman
      By the way, as far as I remember from the school history of the USSR, the Hungarians are the descendants of the Polovtsy, who washed off to Europe from defeat.

      Not Polovtsy of course, but still they are direct descendants of the nomads - the Magyars. And those incidentally belong to the Ugrians (not to be confused with ukrami wink ), people related to Mansi and Khanty.
      Quote: erik cartman
      Most of all, when reading such articles, the Mongols rejoice. Well, how have 300 years been mocked over Russia. That's just nothing Mongolian left in the cultural heritage. Probably the Great Russian Princes, and after them the kings burned everything with a red-hot iron.

      No way people do not want to understand that modern Mongols and modern Mongolia have very little in common with the Tatar-Mongols who conquered half the world in the XNUMXth century. As for cultural heritage, you will be surprised how many eastern borrowings came to Russia along with the Mongol-Tatar conquest. Of course, these borrowings were not taken from the Tatar-Mongol (which can be taken from the savages of the nomads smile ), but among the great Eastern civilizations, which also found themselves under their yoke. These are primarily China and Persia. For clarity, one (only one) example. The Yamskaya service, which delighted European travelers until the 19th century, was created during the reign of the Golden Horde. The word "yam" itself is Turkic.
    5. 0
      27 September 2016 08: 12
      In 1721, the Great Northern Expedition sent along the Siberian Highway reached the mouth of the Amur 3 !!! YEARS .... another year he went down to swim to Kamchatka ... nonsense that the news from the Carocorum reached Dalmatia and the troops rode back to Kurultai ... nonsense in which complete idiots are incapable of thinking logically!
    6. 0
      30 November 2016 08: 21
      And who smashed?
  9. Mwg
    +2
    3 May 2016 07: 57
    Until archaeologists unearth some place of the battle of the "Tatar-Mongol" yoke on the territory of Russia, I cannot believe in this yoke. With all due respect to the patriotic feelings of the Tatars and Kazakhs. You can tell as much as you like in colors how it was, but who rode where and how like an eagle's gaze looked into the steppe, and how everyone was afraid and ran to pay tribute. But. An eastern proverb says: "no matter how much you say halva, halva - it won't become sweeter in your mouth." So, give proof, give archeology. I don’t believe otherwise. I'm in my right.
    1. 0
      3 May 2016 21: 06
      Quote: MVG
      Until archaeologists unearth some place of the battle of the "Tatar-Mongol" yoke on the territory of Russia, I cannot believe in this yoke.

      Actually, recently on VO there was a huge article of kalibr's kamarad - so long ago a huge settlement with traces of a massacre was found, and abandoned since the 13th century. So look and you will find!
  10. 0
    3 May 2016 09: 41
    Quote: Amestigon
    ..... Well, the people do not want to understand that modern Mongols and modern Mongolia have very little in common with the Tatar-Mongols who conquered half the world in the XNUMXth century. ....


    For this +. Moreover, the Mongols were not very correct - red-haired, with gray or green eyes.
    1. +1
      3 May 2016 21: 07
      Quote: Above_name
      Moreover, the Mongols were not very correct - red-haired, with gray or green eyes.

      What do you think the "siege mob", recruited from aboriginal suicide bombers, and the troops of the allied tributaries, marching in the front lines, should have looked like? the Mongols stood behind everyone.
  11. -3
    3 May 2016 17: 12
    It is more than doubtful that the Mongoloids visited Europe at all ... -There was an ordinary superposition of myths, legends, idle fictions, etc. ... -Somewhere in the Asian space, the Mongoloids could still make "showdowns" among themselves due to armed strife. ., but Europe was just not for them ...
    1. 0
      7 May 2016 03: 26
      Part of the Crimean Tatars has Mongoloid facial features. And what about the migration of the Mongols to Europe, it also took place in later times - so in the 16-17th century the Kalmyks (the Mongolian Oirat tribe) migrated to the territory of Russia. In the 17th century, Russia was already a strong and united state (unlike the 13th century with its feudal liberty), because the Kalmyks did not dare to fight and rob and recognized the power of the Russian Tsar
    2. 0
      30 November 2016 08: 46
      Lol, and modern Hungarians fled from myths and legends, and Kalmyks are fairy tales? And the letters of the Pope to Khan is rubbish? Oh yes, you alone know the truth, and all the rest are fools.
  12. 0
    30 November 2016 08: 44
    In short! They got all sorts of Türks-chocks, Kazakhs, Bashkirs, modern Tatars (these are not Mongol Tatars), Khakases, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, etc. add to Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan (Title) was a Mongol, since descendants who remember the clan are still alive. Turkic languages ​​are not at all like Mongolian. The most important argument is the faith of Genghis Khan, he is a shamanist i.e. a pagan, so that the great khan would be a pagan and come from Muslim peoples, this is nonsense, since everyone knows the fanaticism of Muslims especially in the Middle Ages, when faith meant much more. Any critics who do not believe that they could reach Europe, people walk around the world and do nothing, but no one screams, which is impossible. Since the Mongolian horses are riding horses, and they were not intended for another, they could walk in amble conditions, which dramatically increases the range and speed of marches. The creators of the Horde were Mongols, but many peoples entered there. And since 80% of the conquered peoples were Türks, it is natural that in the subsequent after the death of Genghis Khan, the ethnic groups where the Horde was located prevailed in the Ord armies. And most languages ​​were used, but this is a consequence, not a cause. Those. in the initial period, the basis of the troops were the Mongol peoples (there are many of them). And those who say that they do not believe or that they are kind of backward, find out how you lived in Russia at that time, the East was much more advanced than the West. All that was valued came from the East (Silk Road) tea, spices, jewelry, silk, fruits, metals ... Ie cities are not a sign of civilization, since in a different way of life they are not needed, but they were all the same. Couch critics just don't know the history of Asia. What were the Turkic Kaganates, the Hun Empire, the Tan Empire, the Uigur Kaganate and many other states were in the territory from Korea to the Caspian. Not to mention Horzem and the Chinese dynasties.

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