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Ukrainian deputies confirmed the information that Victoria Nuland demanded that Kiev recognize the special status of Donbass and an amnesty for representatives of the DPR and the LPR.

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In the Verkhovna Rada discuss the statement of the representative of the US State Department Victoria Nuland, which told the deputy from the party "Self-help". Nuland made a statement during a meeting with representatives of parliamentary factions. From "Self-help" at the meeting with Nuland was attended by another Victoria - Wojcicka. It was she who conveyed the words spoken by Victoria Nuland. More precisely - the requirements.


If you believe the deputy from "Self-help", then Nuland demanded that Kiev fulfill its obligations under the Minsk agreements.

From the statement of Victoria Voitsitskaya, published on the official party site:
The State Department insists that Ukraine should make changes to the Constitution - with a special status for the occupied territories of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, to hold elections in the occupied territories in the near future and to provide an amnesty for the militants. The Minsk agreements need to be implemented before the end of 2016, there is no alternative to them. Although “Minsk” is bad, Ukraine, as a state, agreed to it.


Ukrainian deputies confirmed the information that Victoria Nuland demanded that Kiev recognize the special status of Donbass and an amnesty for representatives of the DPR and the LPR.


From materials from the site "Self-help":
We are told that if we hold elections, this will set a precedent when for the first time Russian troops stories voluntarily leave the territory they occupied. And there are no guarantees that the Russian troops will come out, and there can not be.


At the same time, it is noted that Nuland, in exchange for fulfilling its obligations, Kiev promised to extend sanctions against Russia before the start of the 2017 of the year - until the new administration appeared in the USA.

Such conversations of a foreign official with Ukrainian deputies are another example of the fact that Ukraine has a frank mode of external administration, as well as an example of the fact that without a click from above (from the US) Ukraine itself is not going to fulfill the obligations of Minsk-2.
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  1. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 27 2016 06: 28
    +32
    "Mommy" scolded her "girls"!
    1. Finches
      Finches April 27 2016 06: 36
      +35
      Nuland, finally, apparently, she herself understood that the Ukrainians, the people are funny - they will eat the cookies, but instead of gratitude they will also shit in the hand ...! How many times have they said to the Americans - you don’t know the mentality of the nation go with your advice! And then Russian Van has to rake all this ....laughing
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 27 2016 06: 47
        +12
        [quote = Zyablitsov] you do not know the mentality of the nation go with your advice! [/ quote]
        That's for sure! [Quote = avvg] Is America draining Ukraine?
        [quote = avvg] Is America draining Ukraine? [/ quote]
        America understands very well that Svidomo Ukrainians cannot solve the Donbass problem by force. And then an army was created, and the GDP spoke directly about this: we will not allow it, they say by force.
        And shelling shelling, but the APU was tired: who wants to get a response, it’s no longer slaughter in Slavyansk, everyone is waiting for houses, the oligarchs steal, etc.
        In this situation, the United States sees a risk with its clients about ... all their "achievements", so they give instructions.
        1. cniza
          cniza April 27 2016 08: 21
          +3
          Quote: Dmitry Potapov
          "Mommy" scolded her "girls"!


          Who would doubt that Ukraine is ruled from the United States, just now there will be a change in the person with the "first signature" and it is necessary to hold out until the end of the year, and then everything will be as it was.
      2. Voha_krim
        Voha_krim April 27 2016 06: 50
        +18
        Quote: Finches
        Ukrainians, funny people - they’ll eat the cookies,

        She is also a harasser and Putin’s agent.
      3. Observer2014
        Observer2014 April 27 2016 07: 04
        +9
        Ours took the path of creating an antipode to Ukraine. Or, in other words, "black hole". Where is the government of Ukraine going or what they are spending and spending in the future. The West itself has done this many times. So it realized what was happening. And in Kiev, the whole geopolitical game is reduced only to "daite pennies" That is why they say in plain text Kiev that it would calm down. And the West also wanted to earn money. But it turned out that the beggars need to be supported ...
        1. APASUS
          APASUS April 27 2016 14: 49
          +1
          Quote: Observer2014
          in Kiev, the whole geopolitical game is reduced only to "daite pennies" That is why, in plain text, Kiev is told to calm down

          In the United States, they had already begun to hint to Ukrainian figures that it was time to do something, now they just sent a person with the requirements.
      4. Bobxnumx
        Bobxnumx April 27 2016 07: 38
        0
        Rather, Obama finally decided about himself to leave at least a Mamomall auspicious memory, but I suspect that they will speak and everything will remain in its original place.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 April 27 2016 07: 54
          +4
          Quote: Bob0859
          Rather, Obama finally decided about himself to leave at least a Mamomall auspicious memory, but I suspect that they will speak and everything will remain in its original place.

          And I think this is the result of an agreement between Putin and Obama. Apparently they agreed on a mutual concession for Ukraine or for Syria. Just like that, the State Department would hardly force Ukraine into peace in the Donbas.
      5. KOH
        KOH April 27 2016 08: 11
        +1
        Did she stop eating her cookies? ... belayThat's it, banderlogs will scream that she is an agent of the Kremlin ...))))) laughing
      6. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 April 27 2016 08: 30
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        Nuland, finally, apparently, she herself understood ...

        and whether?
        or all the same at a meeting with Surkov something agreed?
        if this is the result of the meeting in Kaliningrad, then I wonder what concessions we make? Assad? ( what )
        1. Siberian
          Siberian April 27 2016 08: 40
          +3
          Yes, no. Everything is in order with us (not chocolate, but caramelly), with what fright should we give in to something? Marmots are non-negotiable.
      7. Stalker.1977
        Stalker.1977 April 27 2016 08: 55
        0
        I agree with you comrades, but .... I can’t laugh ........, already breaks into tears.
      8. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher April 27 2016 09: 14
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        Do not know the mentality of the nation go with your advice!

        I would say you don’t know the material, don’t take the tool.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek April 27 2016 11: 30
          +3
          Quote: Observer 33
          I would say you don’t know the material, don’t take the tool.


          The old toad once again (IMHO - the fourth) voiced the order of the State Department to the Ukrainian lackeys. Leaving, she said in a half whisper: "Continue in the same spirit." The overseas establishment simply does not know what to do with these ukropapuas, to put pressure on France and Germany as guarantors from the Kiev junta, it’s zapadlo, so the only way out is "blah blah blah" Poroshenko and the sanctions rattle for Russia. And Bandera's "hopak" continues. yes
      9. GSH-18
        GSH-18 April 27 2016 12: 28
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        Do not know the mentality of the nation go with your advice! And then Russian Van has to rake all this .... laughing

        So there for the sake of raking all this Maidan wagon was tortured. This statement of mother Nuland looks even more illogical! Which only confirms the absence of any long-term plans for Banderstat from the American administration. Throwing and bouncing on the face.
    2. EngineerP
      EngineerP April 27 2016 06: 52
      +3
      Something I did not understand: "to hold elections in the occupied territories in the near future and provide amnesty to the militants", what is it like ???
      1. Erg
        Erg April 27 2016 08: 22
        +2
        Stripes still do not fully understand who they contacted and what they got into wassat Seriously, it’s hard for me to imagine (probably not possible) how Kiev will spend anything in the Donbass. Another stupid thing from the State Department. In my opinion, the Yankees are at a dead end concrete.
    3. Samaritan
      Samaritan April 27 2016 07: 49
      +7
      These ghouls already got everyone, even the owners!
    4. Imperialkolorad
      Imperialkolorad April 27 2016 07: 57
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      "Mommy" scolded her "girls"!

      Zrada zradnaya and chasing chased.
  2. avvg
    avvg April 27 2016 06: 31
    +2
    Is America dumping Ukraine? Have Americans really started to open their eyes.
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan April 27 2016 06: 37
      +12
      Quote: avvg
      Is America draining Ukraine?

      According to R. Ishchenko, only part of it is drained. Now, before the current administration leaves, the Americans need to present at least something that could be considered a success in their "activity" in Ukraine. this is what the Minsk agreements will be. And the political shit, the economic catastrophe of Ukraine, the war and criminal lawlessness for the success of politics, well, you can’t pass it off. Although this is exactly what they were striving for ...
      1. Lukich
        Lukich April 27 2016 07: 05
        +4
        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
        But the political srach, the economic catastrophe of Ukraine, the war and criminal lawlessness for the success of politics do not betray

        moreover, in the world it becomes clear who is to blame for the failure of the treaty and it will be more and more difficult to extend the sanctions. if you notice, nuland said bluntly, follow this minimum, extend the sanctions
    2. The black
      The black April 27 2016 06: 43
      +9
      Is America dumping Ukraine? Have Americans really started to open their eyes.
      No wonder. The Americans are doing what they planned - they are ruining Ukraine. Recognizing the special status of Donbass means for the Kiev junta to launch a chain reaction. The following will be the western regions of Ukraine. There is a systematic pulling away of Ukraine.
  3. evil partisan
    evil partisan April 27 2016 06: 32
    +14
    It seems that R. Ishchenko was right when he said that for Nuland, pushing ahead with Kiev’s implementation of the Minsk agreements is a condition for continuing her political career in the States.
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat April 27 2016 06: 42
      +5
      It is obvious who needs a politician without weight in politics, and V.N. may become such a politician in the event of the failure of Minsk-2. It seems to me, and the OSCE will still surprise us.)))
    2. Turkir
      Turkir April 27 2016 09: 46
      +2
      One must consider speaking about Nuland and her hubby.
      Here is an excerpt from Wiki
      Robert Kagan (born Robert Kagan, born September 26, 1958, Athens)
      The son of a Jew, an American historian D. Kagan. Brother F. Kagan.
      He graduated from Yale University (1980), where he was a member of the Skull and Bones Student Society. He graduated from Harvard Institute of Public Administration. John F. Kennedy (Master of Public Policy and International Relations). He received a Ph.D. in American History from American University.
      In 1997, together with W. Kristol, he founded the project “New American Age"(PNAC).
      He was an unofficial and free adviser to the US presidential candidate John McCain in his 2008 election campaign.

      A couple of Russophobes in the US political establishment. Events in Ukraine is a Nuland project.
      "American" from Greece.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek April 27 2016 12: 54
        +1
        Quote: Turkir
        Robert Kagan (born Robert Kagan, born September 26, 1958, Athens)


        Well, this has long been a "open secret"
  4. Igor39
    Igor39 April 27 2016 06: 34
    +18
    Vika quilted jacket and separatist!
  5. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist April 27 2016 06: 37
    +5
    Quote: Angry Guerrilla
    for Nuland, pushing ahead with Kiev’s implementation of the Minsk Agreements is a condition for continuing her political career in the States.

    But for Porosenko it’s just the opposite. What to do, what to do ?!
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 27 2016 06: 39
    +8
    And now hegemony will be convinced that it undertook to steer the territory, on the management of which it put completely inadequate people. They are always ready to bite the hand of the giver. I will not do ANYTHING. They chat, dance, jump ... The troops will demand to withdraw (try to withdraw what is not!), They will blame Russia again, they will shoot in the Donbass again. This situation is for a long time.
  7. RussianRoulette
    RussianRoulette April 27 2016 06: 40
    +11
    The rolls are eaten, the ghouls are not amenable to training ... We merge!
  8. inkass_98
    inkass_98 April 27 2016 06: 45
    +4
    There is no reason for joy, I think. Kerry told them the same thing, who works as a boss for citizen Nudelman. And that svidomye rushed to fulfill the requirements of the owner? No matter how it is. Aunt Vika is working out the "number", reminds "Sadopomochi" that they have not forgotten about them either.
  9. Runx135
    Runx135 April 27 2016 06: 47
    +2
    Return the cookies .... laughing
  10. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 April 27 2016 06: 49
    +2
    Ukraine is ordered an apport before the precipice.
  11. Nymp
    Nymp April 27 2016 06: 51
    +5
    It is interesting all the same, Kiev should "forgive" and amnesty the representatives of the DPR and LPR! But no one demands to bring to justice the one who staged the bloody massacre on May 9 in Mariupol and on May 2 in Odessa, who shot and continues to do so on peaceful citizens of Novorossia. It is as if this is not discussed at all in Minsk. Dill thinks Minsk is "bad"! Yes, he is generally loyal to the junta. The Americans do not drain dill, but the Russians in the arms of the Nazis!
  12. mamont5
    mamont5 April 27 2016 06: 51
    +3
    "Without a click from above (from the United States), Ukraine itself is not going to fulfill its obligations on Minsk-2."

    And what, someone doubted THIS?

    "this will set a precedent when Russian troops, for the first time in history, voluntarily leave the territory they have occupied"

    Especially those who are not there. wink
  13. Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky April 27 2016 06: 55
    +13
    Minsk agreements must be implemented before the end of 2016 year

    Yeah! Now until the end of the 2016 year! Another date taken from my head!
    will set a precedent for the first time in history that Russian troops voluntarily leave the territory they occupied

    Apparently they did not hear about the withdrawal of troops from East Germany and Afghanistan. By the way, in Georgia, it seems, too, ours are not observed ...

    It is noted that Nuland in exchange for the fulfillment of obligations by Kiev promised to extend sanctions against Russia until the beginning of the 2017 year

    It's like a drug addict - for a dose (sanctions against the Russian Federation) his mother is ready to sell his mother!
    Ukraine itself is not going to fulfill its obligations under Minsk-2.

    It was clear to everyone back in February 2015!
    1. Lukich
      Lukich April 27 2016 11: 26
      +1
      Quote: Rokossovsky
      Apparently they did not hear about the withdrawal of troops from East Germany and Afghanistan. By the way, in Georgia, it seems, too, ours are not observed ...

      Of course they did. but, as always, we took credit for this
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 27 2016 06: 56
    +3
    Victoria Nuland demanded that Kiev recognize the special status of Donbass and amnesty for representatives of the DPR and LPR

    But this is really the progress of the United States in politics in Ukraine. Still, I wonder how it all ends, merge to the end or not?
  15. Masya masya
    Masya masya April 27 2016 07: 01
    +6
    "in exchange for fulfilling its obligations, Kiev promised to extend sanctions against Russia until the beginning of 2017," is that all? And money, money and more!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 27 2016 07: 10
      +12
      Quote: Masya Masya
      in exchange for fulfilling its obligations, Kiev promised to extend sanctions against Russia until the beginning of 2017, "is that all? And money, money and more!

      But the money was not promised. Tired of throwing denyuzhki in a black hole. and in general - the trainer has sugar in his pocket, and a whip behind his back. Sugar is over, the whip has started.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 April 27 2016 08: 24
        +1
        the whip went.

        Only the whip is still some kind of decorative. And it is desirable that the user of the whip be from soaked skin and knowledge of his craft.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky April 27 2016 09: 01
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        But the money was not promised. Tired of throwing denyuzhki in a black hole. and in general - the trainer has sugar in his pocket, and a whip behind his back.

        They promised them a lot of things, but it came to the point that they now simply promise to extend sanctions against Russia.
        What is the "zamanukha" and the interest of the Durkains from the extension of sanctions against the Russian Federation ???
        Who understood?
        1. Lelek
          Lelek April 27 2016 13: 04
          +1
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          They promised them a lot of things, but it came to the point that they now simply promise to extend sanctions against Russia.


          And besides promises to someone they hang noodles about their and NATO peace lovingness. God, why are they so sick with their Anglo-Saxon lies.
          (cry.)
  16. askort154
    askort154 April 27 2016 07: 05
    +3
    On holidays, we should expect the resumption of large-scale military provocative actions of the Armed Forces in the southeast.
    This will be the agony of Poroshenko's power, according to the principle "pan or disappear." Now he is a cornered rat.
    Either fulfill the paragraph "Minsk-2" on changing the constitution, or go on an adventure to renew
    fighting to "liberate Donbass." In the first case, he "leaves" as a cowardly "balabol", and in the second - as a "desperate fighter" for the unity of Ukraine. In any case, he will have to flee from Ukraine.
  17. Dezinto
    Dezinto April 27 2016 07: 24
    +7
    Nuland wants his money for cookies back! Nothing to yourself !? - I bought a whole package! Given inflation, and the depreciation of the country itself - give the whole country !!! lol

    Thought for free? - it seemed to you!

  18. V.ic
    V.ic April 27 2016 07: 27
    +1
    Ms. Nuland didn’t forget about the cookies? What did they / cookies / mix in?
  19. salad
    salad April 27 2016 07: 31
    +1
    Self-help laughing
  20. cap
    cap April 27 2016 07: 35
    +3
    Purely Ukrainian version, in Ukrainian.

    Mi your cookies have taken a bite of an apple, have drunk a penny, give it more! wassat
  21. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf April 27 2016 07: 47
    0
    It looks like
    You give the dog the command "fas"! At the same time, you yourself hold it by the leash with both hands. Having put it on the muzzle beforehand. Well, do not forget to praise her, giving a treat.
  22. vkfriendly
    vkfriendly April 27 2016 07: 48
    +1
    American corporations do not care in what form the DNI and LC will be, even with Ukrainians, even independent republics, the main thing is that the hostilities would end and one could conduct business. Therefore, seeing that the war does not see the end, they kick the Ukrainians in order to quickly resolve the situation.
  23. nivander
    nivander April 27 2016 08: 03
    +1
    Vika is unlikely to retain her post after the presidential election, and all her formidable serf demise is just an attempt to decorate her resume with a new employer
  24. Vega
    Vega April 27 2016 08: 06
    0
    Beauty!!! Like a weather vane, where the wind is - there she is, she needs to see something from dill.
  25. rus-5819
    rus-5819 April 27 2016 08: 25
    0
    Victoria Nuland demanded that Kiev recognize the special status of Donbass and amnesty for representatives of the DPR and LPR

    And Putin turned over this and even without cookies, he simply reminded the Russian about the bulk carrier.
  26. Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 27 2016 08: 46
    0
    Aunt Vika visited the local zoo in UKRAINE, where she scolded banderlogs ..
  27. Vladimir57
    Vladimir57 April 27 2016 08: 50
    +2
    The enforcement of laws is different ... laughing
  28. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 27 2016 08: 51
    0
    The West has not yet realized popular wisdom: where the crest passed, the Jew has nothing to do ...
  29. Senior manager
    Senior manager April 27 2016 08: 54
    +1
    One more confirmation of the thought - the term in power is by the end, enlightenment comes in the minds, when with the prefix "ex" he becomes smart, conscientious and kind, sane. They have it that way.
  30. sgr291158
    sgr291158 April 27 2016 08: 55
    0
    As if by her statement she did not push them to the start of hostilities.
  31. KRIG55
    KRIG55 April 27 2016 09: 01
    0
    Well, who is the boss in the house ?????
  32. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 April 27 2016 09: 02
    +1
    A statement by State Department spokeswoman V. Nullad confirms that the situation in Ukraine depends on the agreements of the United States and the Russian Federation.
    And this means that the United States is to blame for the fact that the Minsk agreements have not been implemented.
    About sanctions - they burn with a blue flame.
    It is very necessary for our government to understand that any mutual economic ties with the West will be used against Russia. And not only understood, but also took advantage of this circumstance with the benefit for the country. Let the West pay for what it does. Russia can survive without the west. And the West without Russia will be bad.
  33. sub307
    sub307 April 27 2016 09: 02
    0
    From where, from what, but from Nuland did not expect .... "A miracle happened" ..., the US State Department "saw the light" at last.
  34. Mestny
    Mestny April 27 2016 09: 10
    -1
    Quote: inkass_98
    There is no reason for joy, I think. Kerry said the same thing to them, who works as a boss for a citizen Nudelman. And what, Svidomo rushed to comply with the requirements of the owner? No matter how.

    So this is a reason for joy.
  35. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 27 2016 09: 13
    +1
    Let the bastard not drive! From the GDR who could have survived us? All damn it is voluntary! Finam independence, pshekam too, generally keep quiet about Central Asia! If Russia had said "no", then she would have gone bald!
  36. 0255
    0255 April 27 2016 09: 34
    +1
    Now, when Kiev gives LDNR a special status and pardons militias, the war will end - then we will rejoice. The United States seems to have been talking about the federalization of Ukraine and the special status of Donbass - where is it all?
  37. Vladimir
    Vladimir April 27 2016 10: 12
    +1
    It is interesting that now Poroshenko will tell the people after his statements about the rejection of any negotiations with the representatives of the LNR until their complete disarmament, and now it turns out that the states are breaking him through the knee directly and openly and against the background of the postponement of the visa-free regime.
  38. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre April 27 2016 10: 27
    +2
    frank mode external local governments
    There is either external or self-government. Hybrid can not be in principle.
    In general, here we are talking about what to eat Donbass did not work out entirely. The escalation of the war will lead to the defeat and liberation of the entire territory from the Americans. To the border with Poland and Hungary inclusive. Therefore, they want to make such a concession to stake out the conquered part of the country. To stab their bases there after stabilization.
  39. dvg1959
    dvg1959 April 27 2016 10: 29
    +2
    First, the term "occupied territories" should not be used in relation to Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
    Also, the terms "militants" and "separatists" in relation to the defenders of Donetsk and Luhansk regions must be excluded from the lexicon.
    In turn, it is necessary to constantly remind all authorities that the government and president of Ukraine are not legitimate. They came to power as a result of a forceful coup d'etat planned, financed and implemented by the United States and supported by Western countries.
    In Donbas, they are carrying out a punitive operation in violation of all international standards. This operation is also planned and funded by the United States.
    This must be discussed openly.
  40. nrex
    nrex April 27 2016 10: 32
    +1
    The Americans realized that in an open conflict this issue could not be resolved. In order to squeeze back these territories, it is necessary by any means to first disarm the militias by compromising (changing the constitution, special status and holding elections), and then by quiet glanders, through the smooth introduction of the security forces in these territories, establish complete control over them. Ambitious dill even lacks its brains. How do they want
    blood ?!
  41. iouris
    iouris April 27 2016 11: 21
    0
    The next step is the opening of US diplomatic missions in Donetsk.
  42. Yarik76
    Yarik76 April 27 2016 11: 22
    +3
    You need to know the Ukrainians and the local mentality, how will the Donbass be given a special status, the rest of Ukraine will begin to pull the blanket over itself 'it will be fun! Makhnovshchina is in the genes' who feeds and wateres who will begin to understand - they will finish everything against everyone!
    1. iouris
      iouris April 27 2016 13: 11
      +1
      This means that the United States recognized that Ukraine was brought to a pen and it was time to bail it. Guess who will get this weight?
  43. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 27 2016 12: 03
    0
    I would very much like to believe in the best and everything would be fine, but no one mentions this statement except on the websites of the Russian media and the DPR website metronews.ua from which the article was taken. The question remains open, we wait ...
  44. atamankko
    atamankko April 27 2016 13: 45
    +1
    But what about the money, cookies, we ate and sit hungry.
  45. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 27 2016 16: 59
    +1
    And what will happen now, because banderlogs will not do anything anyway. Well, they are incapable of sound actions, and if they begin to fulfill the agreements, then they will be full of kirdyk. Instead of money, the states will show them hell, and away we go in new ways.