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Wrong horse

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Independence from Russia leads to loss of statehood


Analysis of the current state of the armed forces of the post-Soviet countries (excluding Russia) suggests that their prospects are not very bright. Some may disappear along with their armies.

At the moment, the best situation in Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan. Thanks to the export of natural resources, these countries have enough money to purchase modern weapons in more or less needed quantities, and they are bought in Russia, in Israel, and in the West. Astana and Baku have their own military-industrial complex, albeit low-powered, but successfully developing, and also, very importantly, an adequate array of personnel for the development of modern weapons (both production and operation). The April “microworld” in Karabakh confirmed that the technical capabilities of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces have increased significantly. True, the current fall in oil and gas prices can deal a serious blow to military construction plans.

Remains of former power


Ukraine and Belarus have both highly developed defense and industrial complex, and a lot of equipment, and enough qualified personnel. However, their military prospects are much worse than those of Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan, since the economic situation in both Slavic countries is close to catastrophic, which makes it impossible to update their large, but heavily worn-out still Soviet arsenals.

At the same time, the situation in Ukraine (in more detail, “The Loop of Independence Square”) is much worse, since the Kiev authorities are purposefully targeting the country with total embezzlement. Because of this, it’s extremely difficult to talk about its prospects in general and the army in particular. The Belarusian situation is not so dramatic, but a combination of socialist experiments in the economy with a “multi-vector foreign policy” (according to the official wording of Minsk) can lead this country to very sad consequences.

Armenia is a kind of Caucasian Israel. The country has no resources, is in a very unfavorable geopolitical situation, but pays great attention to military construction. For reasons primarily economic in nature, Russia is unable to fully become what Armenia is the United States for Israel. However, whatever some citizens of the fraternal republic think about this, their country doesn’t have an alternative to the Russian Federation as the main geopolitical ally, and this is clearly demonstrated by the example of neighboring Georgia. In Tbilisi, immediately after the collapse of the USSR, they put "on another horse" and now they can not abandon the former, recklessly pro-Western policy, although it was she who led to the loss of 20 percent of the state territory without the hope of returning without bringing the slightest economic prosperity. The prospects for military construction in Georgia are also not encouraging. The country has big problems with resources, and with equipment, and with personnel, and with the defense industry.

Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, which have significant revenues from the export of hydrocarbons, could be in the same category with Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan, but they are hampered by corruption, the lack of their own defense and, most importantly, an acute shortage of qualified military personnel. Therefore, it is extremely difficult for them to build armies that are serious, at least according to the scale of their region.

Discussing the prospects of military construction in the Baltic countries, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan is meaningless. At best, their armies will remain at the current level of negligible quantities.

Kosovo rule


Many of the former Soviet republics are still hoping that the "older brothers" - Russia or the West - will be engaged in the construction of their armed forces. As experience shows, these are all illusions. The elder brothers are ready to sell the younger ones exclusively for the full price, for which the overwhelming majority of the post-Soviet countries simply do not have the means, and many of them have the personnel to master it. The elders could have given the weapons of the Cold War free or very cheap, but the younger ones already have it, and the BMP-1 or Mi-24В (as well as М113 or F-16А) resource has been developed regardless of the current ownership of the sample and to whom it is transmitted. For these reasons, in particular, talk of Western military assistance to Ukraine is completely meaningless. On modern technology, Kiev has no money, and there is more than enough good 70 – 80's there.

Wrong horse


In addition to the "legitimate" countries, in the post-Soviet space there are two partially recognized (Abkhazia, South Ossetia) and two unrecognized (Transdniestria, Nagorno-Karabakh) states, as well as the disputed territory (Crimea). Of all these conflicts, only Pridnestrovian has some prospects for a peaceful resolution: through both the creation of a confederative state and the voluntary renunciation of Chisinau from Tiraspol. The likelihood of both of these options is small, but still non-zero. The rest of the conflicts to settle the world is absolutely impossible, because the positions of the parties are irreconcilable and mutually exclusive. Even the theoretical perspective of resolving these conflicts in accordance with international law disappeared after the Kosovo precedent. True, its creators, that is, the countries of NATO, are demanding to recognize this as a “unique case,” although there is nothing exceptional in it. The uniqueness of the Kosovo case can only be formalized by inscribing the well-known phrase Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi (“What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull”) into international law, but this is hardly feasible. Much more appropriate would be a rephrased quotation from the Russian classics: "If there is Kosovo, then everything is allowed." Thus, the named conflicts will be resolved by military means, by someone’s unconditional surrender or freezing for an indefinite period (conflicts with the disputed territories under the British crown, Gibraltar and Falkland, have been hanging for centuries). For the Crimea and the former Georgian autonomies, the most likely last option, Nagorno-Karabakh, as shown by the events of early April, is sooner or later guaranteed another war. However, even despite the huge investments in the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan and the obvious growth of their potential, the Nagorno Karabakh Republic is too tough for them.

Chairs from older brothers

As for the relations of post-Soviet countries with Russia, we will have to recall history the collapse of the USSR. All other republics were not seeking abstract independence, but concrete - from Russia. And only in the Baltic States and to a much lesser extent in Moldova and Transcaucasia, this desire was shared by the peoples of the republics, in other cases there was a purely rebellion of elites, the desire of the first secretaries of the CPSU to become presidents. Accordingly, in all post-Soviet countries, the idea of ​​independence from Russia was the basis of ideological concepts. In Ukraine, it came to clinical Russophobia (this is not a figure of speech, but a statement of fact), but in other countries this idea to a certain extent had an effect on the consciousness of the population. At least 90 percent of Crimeans can be described as hypertrophic pro-Russian, this region will remain the most loyal to Moscow for decades simply because its residents, unlike all our other citizens, have something to compare with. Nevertheless, even their mentality is already in a certain way different from the Russian - 22 years of life in Ukraine affected. With the Belarusians and the Kazakhs, we literally and figuratively speak the same language, but from communicating with them very quickly you understand that they are residents of other countries. We mentally dispersed with the rest of our former compatriots even more.

The events of the last eight years have unequivocally shown that an alliance with Russia guarantees the country protection in the event of any problems, and with NATO, the absence of such protection, military defeat and, possibly, territorial losses. However, these obvious facts contradict the usual idea of ​​independence from Russia. Therefore, even the leaders of the countries - members of the CSTO tend to sit on two, or even three chairs (since there was also a "Chinese"). In this regard, there is no need to harbor any special illusions about integration in the post-Soviet space. Its prospects are very limited, it is not necessary to expect a change in the situation in the foreseeable future.

However, integration in the military field may be most successful, since the growth of the potential of the RF Armed Forces, combined with the willingness to use it, cannot be ignored. If the country needs real security, one can rely only on Russia, and not on the NATO soap bubble. However, in the best case, our military allies will be only five members of the CSTO, two of whom will obviously remain pure "consumers of security." In the next decades, either the “cold peace” or the “cold war” will begin with the other states of the former USSR. Nobody dares to “hot” - the instinct of self-preservation will work.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 30 2016 05: 27
    +17
    Yeah. Freedom. And then what to do with it? The rulers then know why she is, and who is asking the people?
    1. siberalt
      siberalt April 30 2016 07: 54
      +26
      There will be a strong Russia, and the EEU with the CSTO will be strong. And so, what kind of union is this if Nazarbayev and Lukashenko are afraid to recognize South Ossetia and Abazia or a referendum in Crimea. And who are they afraid of?
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag April 30 2016 09: 46
        +7
        Quote: siberalt
        And who are they afraid of?

        USA
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 30 2016 11: 03
          +2
          And in the future, China.
        2. Apsit
          Apsit April 30 2016 15: 58
          +5
          Quote: sa-ag
          Quote: siberalt
          And who are they afraid of?

          USA

          and economic and political sanctions
        3. Awaz
          Awaz April 30 2016 16: 07
          +8
          the wreckage of the USSR, except for Russia, there is no point in being afraid of the United States. For those territories in which the United States is interested, they have "privatized" them long ago. The author of the text is right in only one thing - that many have bet on the wrong horse. You don't even have to say that. Nobody gives them freebies and free cheese, they just do not give them, even if they completely surrender to the hands of American politicians and oligarchs. In addition to the fact that it is necessary to constantly bark at Russia in order to have a favorable attitude from the West, but apart from patting on the shoulder and giving small things, economically, the United States and its vassals are not going to help anything, some still understand that they are still dependent on Russia and depend on they cannot cut off the umbilical cord in any way.
          So rushing around ...
          For small countries, military power is not much needed, the development of the economy is important ...
          1. Milovanovic
            Milovanovic 6 August 2016 15: 13
            0
            Kazakhstan literally fears the United States. It is economic sanctions. Nurike invested heavily in EXPO-2017. Sanctions and the ban will turn into a disaster. In the spring of 2014, Prime Minister Medvedev, at the request, arranged a second excursion to Sochi for the payback of large-scale events. It is no secret that the restraint of the Republic of Kazakhstan was agreed with Moscow. Concerning the Crimea, the principal position of consent was first declared: In Crimea there was a unique legal situation that could not be repeated, Crimea was not a precedent, but it could not be otherwise. Neutrality in voting at the UN actually means support.
      2. sivak61
        sivak61 3 May 2016 06: 19
        0
        The fact of the matter is that they are not afraid not to admit, if they were afraid, they would admit without question.
    2. ruAlex
      ruAlex April 30 2016 11: 10
      +6
      And unfortunately, even if they ask, they still do it their own way. As in the question of preserving the USSR, a recent Dutch survey is acceptable.
    3. Megatron
      Megatron April 30 2016 15: 04
      +6
      How long has it been for us that Armenia has become "brotherly" again?
      If anyone forgot, the collapse of the USSR began with Armenian terrorists.
      1. siberalt
        siberalt April 30 2016 15: 52
        -7
        Is Gorbachev an Armenian? belay All those who did not recognize the junta and the Kuevsky coup were also called terrorists. So what? laughing It looks like the Cossack is sent. But on the forum "VO" this does not work. You can't fart into the water, so don't scare the fish laughing
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 1 May 2016 00: 28
          +3
          It is clear that humpback is almost a fiend of hell.
          But she could not, could not such a great country collapse at the behest of just one man.

          And what does the junta have to do with it? You do not confuse warm with soft.
        2. sergo42
          sergo42 1 May 2016 20: 31
          +3
          That's it - do not scare the fish if you can not! Gorby was the head of the USSR, and with the collapse of the USSR, he automatically lost his post. What happened! But Borka-Alkashu, and other slap companies from Belovezhskaya Pushcha, the collapse of the USSR promised a lot of power in their squalid sovereign countries.
  2. izya top
    izya top April 30 2016 05: 38
    +22
    “Multi-vector foreign policy”
    the calf of two queens sucks with affection, and father tries to blackmail.
    since you will not come in the morning, I will surrender to the coachman Peter (s)
    1. Riv
      Riv April 30 2016 07: 55
      +21
      This is actually dangerous. If two tits enter the mouth, then with a probability of 100% the two ends will also crawl through.
  3. ImPerts
    ImPerts April 30 2016 05: 39
    +63
    In general, I agree with the author. At the end, Ukraine has sold everything it can. Starting from the weapons inherited from the SA, ending with the defense industry, both in the form of products and technologies. North Korean successes in rocketry have their roots from there (I think so))). The Belarusian defense-industrial complex lives at the expense of Russia and will live as long as there is demand for its products, again in Russia. The Baltics are not even worth mentioning. Everything related to the Baltic states is characterized by approximately the same word, only with the addition of the letters "o" and "e" (I will not write anything, this is another warning). Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan have the opportunity to purchase more or less modern weapons, but this is a hook that smoothly turns into a leash. Armenia as Israel ?! I never thought that buy and sell would result in the development of the defense industry, but what the hell is not kidding (just whether I will live). Valiant Central Asia, instead of building up an army and a military-industrial complex, will squabble among themselves and eat each other faster than they create something. Drinking teas, eating pilaf slowly is not making marches. And it certainly does not contribute to creative activity. Brave Georgians back in the USSR proved their inability to produce high-quality products, everything that Genatsvale did fell apart and broke on the go. Moldovans ... Re-read the previous sentence.
    The entire defense of the new countries in the post-Soviet space rested on the Russian-speaking residents of the republics. And they, the newly minted masters of new countries, hated and, except for slaves, were not considered. Now the new gentlemen must learn to work themselves, to think for themselves. And this is impossible. For 70 years they did not learn to work, even worse, the Soviet government corrupted them with impunity, permissiveness and well-being.
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 April 30 2016 07: 24
      +33
      Even in the USSR, brave Georgians proved their inability to produce quality products ...

      A glorious representative of the Georgian industry is the Kolkhida mining tractor. Those who have come across will understand.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 April 30 2016 07: 37
        +13
        laughing I heard that the men said that the Georgians invented "Colchis" to carry water from the mountains, and the Russians carry plates up the hill on it laughing
        1. michell
          michell April 30 2016 09: 24
          +3
          Quote: Igor39
          to carry water from the mountains,


          Tea.
        2. michell
          michell April 30 2016 09: 24
          +2
          Quote: Igor39
          to carry water from the mountains,


          Tea.
        3. Awaz
          Awaz April 30 2016 16: 10
          +2
          this shit was called "mountain tractor"
          lol
          1. Monarchist
            Monarchist 1 June 2016 15: 20
            0
            It will not jam on a mountain without a tractor, and it will not get off a mountain without a tractor.
        4. grandson of Perun
          grandson of Perun 3 May 2016 14: 18
          +1
          Quote: Igor39
          Georgians invented "Colchis"

          The Georgians did not invent "Colchis". "Kolkhida" - assembled under license from the GDR IFA. That is, the Germans invented this car.
      2. 52
        52 April 30 2016 09: 38
        +11
        ... Th! "Colchis"! For this word on some truck sites and banned! As well as for ErAZ.
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 April 30 2016 09: 52
          +1
          Quote: 52gim
          ... Th! "Colchis"! For this word on some truck sites and banned! As well as for ErAZ.

          YerAz - literally translated from Armenian means "dream" fellow .
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 April 30 2016 11: 03
            +4
            Quote: razmik72
            YerAz - literally translated from Armenian means "dream"



            Then it will be more accurate "Mirage" ...

            PS Do you see the car ??? - No ... - But she is !!! And even sometimes it drives !!!
        2. oxotnuk86
          oxotnuk86 April 30 2016 19: 39
          +2
          The floor of the plant went to the pro-poor when the 2nd Colchis, under its own power, went out of the gate to Kazan, and REACHED.
      3. weksha50
        weksha50 April 30 2016 11: 02
        +6
        Quote: Dimy4
        A glorious representative of the Georgian industry is the Kolkhida mining tractor. Those who have come across will understand.



        And the Armenian parody of the RAF - YERAZ ...
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB April 30 2016 20: 59
          +1
          Where is that RAF now ...
      4. Monarchist
        Monarchist 1 June 2016 15: 17
        0
        About the "Colchis" of the driver they also said "Do not be afraid of the wolf in the forest, but be afraid of the Kutaisi miracle on the road"
    2. razmik72
      razmik72 April 30 2016 08: 52
      +4
      [quote = Im. Armenia like Israel ?! I never thought that buy-sell would result in the development of the defense industry.
      The author of the article very delicately treated Armenia, comparing it with Israel. The common between the two states is that both have major problems with their neighbors, and the rest between the fast-growing democratic Israel and the stagnant, authoritarian Armenia has nothing in common.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal April 30 2016 14: 03
        +6
        Quote: razmik72
        The author of the article very delicately treated Armenia, comparing it with Israel. The common between the two states is that both have major problems with their neighbors, and the rest between the fast-growing democratic Israel and the stagnant, authoritarian Armenia has nothing in common.

        - the author clearly and correctly pointed out that Russia YET (and, I hope, this "until" will not last too long) cannot provide the same assistance to Armenia as the United States renders to Israel. As for stagnant and authoritarian - give evidence of the authoritarianism of Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan. He was chosen in the elections, which were recognized by a bunch of countries, and the OSCE, including, Armenia is not considered an authoritarian state, these are your personal fabrications, for which you are a minus. Yes, democracy in Armenia is not sufficiently developed, well, democracy does not appear at the snap of your fingers, this is a long evolutionary path. And the comparison of the author of SABZH is correct not only in terms of being surrounded by enemies, but also militarily. Like Israel, few will tear Armenia in its region. Georgia? laughing We have already seen Azerbaijan, everything is clear here ... Turkey? Yes, on a dare, the Turks will rake in the same way as the Azeris ... And the Armenians are hanging on the Turks without the help of Russia, albeit with difficulty and great losses. And if with the help of Russia, then Turkey is not a rival. You do not need to quote the numbers with the tanks, I am aware of them and I know that the Turks have the most. Only numbers have nothing to do with it, the ability to fight is important here - and it is at its best among the Armenians, like among the Israelis. The Armenians have already proved this, the Turks have not shown themselves yet, but we have already seen how easily the ISIS fighters burned their "Sabra" - and the conclusion is simple, very simple. I do not advise the Turks to go to the Armenians.
        I would have slapped the second minus, but it’s impossible, I ask the members of the forum to do this. Democracy and economic development are not correlated in any way. India is a democratic state, China is a communist power. China is ahead, and democracy has nothing to do with it. There are objective economic laws, a deep knowledge of these laws and the ability to use this knowledge to manage the country's economy - and you will have normal economic development, and democracy has nothing to do with it. Democracy is just an elective performance, during which it is convenient for the Anglo-Saxons to bring people who are convenient to them to power in the country they want, and the separation of branches of power also contributes to the penetration of Anglo-Saxon influence into their country.
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 April 30 2016 16: 18
          +2
          Dear Aksakal, maybe you are still recognizing the fact that I, the citizen of Armenia, know better what my country is in terms of internal structure, if the OSCE or other international organizations recognized the results of the presidential elections in Armenia with great reservations, then they did it, on the basis of their interests, it is beneficial for them to have a weak, not legitimate president in Armenia, by the way, it is also beneficial for Kazakhstan, sorry, the leadership of your country is also beneficial for the usurper in power. At the summit in Astana, the National Academy of Sciences demanded that so that Armenia would guarantee that Karabakh would not enter the EurAsEC, justifying its position by the concern of Azerbaijan, and our president would not dare to object, but he would not dare to utter a scream. When Armenia entered into various international organizations, no one thought of setting such conditions; Ter-Petrosyan was popularly elected for his first presidential term.
      2. HERMES
        HERMES April 30 2016 14: 45
        +7
        Quote: razmik72
        Armenia like Israel ?! I never thought that buy-sell would result in the development of the defense industry.
        The author of the article very delicately treated Armenia, comparing it with Israel. The common between the two states is that both have major problems with their neighbors, and the rest between the fast-growing democratic Israel and the stagnant, authoritarian Armenia has nothing in common.



        And one more difference ... if all the neighbors "flooded" against Israel voluntarily ... then Armenia itself turned against itself almost all neighbors. Now sit with your "primordial Artsakh" and suck your finger, and count how much Azerbaijan has invested billion. $ to Georgia to build the infrastructure for transit. And this money could benefit the people of Armenia. Nobody and nothing will help you except Russia and God himself. The first ones to turn away from you because of your own fault, and God is with us wink
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 April 30 2016 15: 34
          0
          Quote: HERMES
          Quote: razmik72
          Armenia like Israel ?! I never thought that buy-sell would result in the development of the defense industry.
          The author of the article very delicately treated Armenia, comparing it with Israel. The common between the two states is that both have major problems with their neighbors, and the rest between the fast-growing democratic Israel and the stagnant, authoritarian Armenia has nothing in common.



          And one more difference ... if all the neighbors "flooded" against Israel voluntarily ... then Armenia itself turned against itself almost all neighbors. Now sit with your "primordial Artsakh" and suck your finger, and count how much Azerbaijan has invested billion. $ to Georgia to build the infrastructure for transit. And this money could benefit the people of Armenia. Nobody and nothing will help you except Russia and God himself. The first ones to turn away from you because of your own fault, and God is with us wink

          Hermes if Ro laughing Ssia turned its back on Armenia and God is on your side, how are you singing here, why did Azerbaijan not continue the offensive right up to your "Irevan"? bully .Every single day your compatriots try on this site that they would tear these Armenians, but only Russia is not allowed smile , otherwise we would them laughing , well, you yourself understand wassat .
          1. HERMES
            HERMES 1 May 2016 07: 39
            +4
            Everybody loves to play, I also "try" from time to time wink
            Our propagandists of yours stand ... but the people really do not want war, not yours - not ours.

            And you comrade ... like many Armenians, you need to stop underestimating the "enemy." Otherwise, it will turn out sideways for you.
            How long will you pour blood for lands that have brought you nothing but death?

            And one more question ... your media threw in herds of ducks, about the alleged ISIS on the side of Azerbaijan. But we don't have terrorists ... but who let ASALA into the NKR? They, according to their skills of "re-education" of ISIS, will plug them into the belt ...

            1. Monarchist
              Monarchist 1 June 2016 15: 31
              0
              Hermes. Everyone loves to play with it. The people say: "don't tryndet bags, you don't need to mind
        2. EvgNik
          EvgNik 1 May 2016 06: 21
          +6
          Quote: HERMES
          Now sit with your "original Artsakh

          How are they sitting there. Half of Russia is already clogged with Armenians, they are developing a new territory, which they already consider their own. And what is interesting - Russian citizenship is obtained instantly, unlike the Russians, who have to leave the former republics.
          1. EvgNik
            EvgNik 1 May 2016 09: 00
            +6
            Are not pleased with our statements about Armenia? But I don’t like that the Armenian bought our factory and brought it to the handle, now the last machines are being cut for scrap. In addition, he moved his entire village to our city. And why the hell would they surrender to us?
            1. razmik72
              razmik72 1 May 2016 09: 44
              -3
              Quote: EvgNik
              Are not pleased with our statements about Armenia? But I don’t like that the Armenian bought our factory and brought it to the handle, now the last machines are being cut for scrap. In addition, he moved his entire village to our city. And why the hell would they surrender to us?

              First you need to develop a habit of respecting any person you talk to, you won’t like it if I start calling names in Russian with the same words as Ukrainians like to do. But when they write derogatory ares, the automatic editor skips these words and who they are macaws, rodents, etc. and so on. And about the fact that the evil Armenian came to Russia, bought a plant at a cheap price and ditched it, so after the collapse of the Union, all the factories were privatized for nothing and torn apart, all the nations of the USSR, and not just the Armenians, took part in it, so many Armenians do not physically exist to tear apart all the industrial enterprises of the Union, all the peoples of the former Union took part in this matter, I would say that there were an overwhelming majority of Russians, since the Russians have political power in Russia, Putin is the president of Russia , not Putin smile .
        3. vlade99
          vlade99 1 May 2016 17: 12
          -3
          Quote: HERMES
          and God is with us

          If it existed at all, then there would be neither a hunchback nor Yeltsin nor Hitler. And they were and are. So there is no god.
    3. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB April 30 2016 20: 51
      0
      Somehow, Tajiks who work on our system, as well as not only, do not fit into your harmonious scheme ...
    4. Monarchist
      Monarchist 1 June 2016 15: 13
      0
      Bravo. I agree with your opinion.
  4. EvgNik
    EvgNik April 30 2016 05: 55
    +6
    Spreading heroin and jumping from the 10th floor is also a form of freedom, or rather the illusion of freedom.
    1. HERMES
      HERMES April 30 2016 14: 50
      +2
      "Give the slave the illusion of freedom and he will not rebel"
  5. EvgNik
    EvgNik April 30 2016 05: 59
    +9
    And more about freedom:
  6. PKK
    PKK April 30 2016 06: 17
    +16
    The elites in all the former republics of the USSR got it with their moronity, lack of signs of humanity. They go the easiest way, such as the roof goes slowly. Until they learn to educate the elite. There will be no sense.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek April 30 2016 18: 35
      +2
      Quote: PKK
      The elites in all the former republics of the USSR got their moronism, lack of signs of humanity.


      That is why you need to be pragmatists, to undertake and accept only what is good for OUR FATHERLAND. yes
  7. Altona
    Altona April 30 2016 06: 43
    +20
    Not only are the "eastern armies" degrading, but the western armies also cannot afford many modern weapons. The cost of a strike aircraft is equal to the cost of 5 aircraft of the previous generation, modern-day electronic tanks are half, modern missiles and ships are generally forgotten. In addition, we need modern infrastructure - modern command and control systems with automated control systems, radars, airfields. And there is no question of collective farmers and party secretaries who have decided to become kings. They thought it was very easy to be king. There is a piece of Russian territory called a republic, there is a stock of Russian weapons, we will draw a state, we will live. Well, we have lived.
    1. proletarian
      proletarian April 30 2016 22: 16
      +2
      You are not quite right, dear, all these "kings" acted according to the principle: Nation's ruble 100, that flows.
      PS "Excuse me" for my Ukrainian, but as I said before, where I was born there and I get drunk.
  8. Tujh
    Tujh April 30 2016 06: 48
    +31
    With Belarusians and Kazakhs, we literally and figuratively speak the same language, but from communicating with them you very quickly realize that they are residents of other countries.

    Again, do not confuse the people and the elites. The north of Kazakhstan gravitates toward Russia. And the difference in mentality of the northern and southern Kazakhs is significant. Maybe that's why nazarbay wants to dilute the northern population with southerners.
    PS I live here so I know. And I also know that not only me, but some Kazakhs are going to Russia under the resettlement program. A paradox - but it is.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 April 30 2016 07: 40
      +1
      Yegor, where are you from?
      1. Tujh
        Tujh April 30 2016 13: 47
        +2
        Kustanai region, Lisakovsk.
        1. Talgat 148
          Talgat 148 April 30 2016 14: 51
          0
          They will believe you now on the couch scratched that everyone is leaving. You are going to drive like that, don’t answer for everyone.
          1. Tujh
            Tujh April 30 2016 19: 08
            +2
            Quote: Talgat 148
            do not answer for all.

            Where do I speak for everyone?
            1. Talgat 148
              Talgat 148 April 30 2016 21: 50
              0
              Sick of you! No one is driving you. TV in Russian, education in Russian, newspapers in Russian, Kazakhs speak Russian with you. If you want to leave, leave for good, without dousing. To others, and to me in particular, live here forever!
              For example, immigrants also leave for Russia from Canada, the United States to Europe, and if only they spoke or say that everything is bad in the Russian Federation, how is that?
              1. Tujh
                Tujh 1 May 2016 09: 12
                +2
                Talgat, if someone offended you as a child, then deal specifically with your offender. I didn’t say anything bad about the Kazakhs and I won’t say anything — among them, like among the Russians, there are normal, competent people, and there are frank dolboklui. The problem is completely different - if Elbas decided to build a khanate on behalf of his beloved on the remnants of the republic, then I am not going to be his devoted nuker in it. If you consider being in his retinue riding your civic duty - so be it.
                1. Talgat 148
                  Talgat 148 1 May 2016 16: 03
                  -2
                  Offended by you! I'm proud!
              2. vlade99
                vlade99 1 May 2016 17: 18
                +1
                Quote: Talgat 148
                education in Russian

                Quote: Talgat 148
                does not drive

                Quote: Talgat 148
                if only

                Education say?
    2. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 1 May 2016 08: 26
      +1
      We Samara Kazakhs bought all the new real estate. They retire and are massively moving here to while away their old age. But young people are being pulled thoroughly.
      There is something to think about ...
      1. Talgat 148
        Talgat 148 1 May 2016 16: 03
        0
        What is straight all ???? And all of you live ????
        1. Starfish
          Starfish 2 May 2016 07: 03
          +1
          By the way, Omsk is also moving a lot from Kazakhstan, and not only Russians. quite a lot of Kazakhs go and not to earn money, but to live. the private sector is so direct Kazakh Towns are some: Port Arthur, Amur, Samarka
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 30 2016 06: 49
    +8
    Of the former Soviet republics (the Baltic States, Georgia and Ukraine, we do not take into account) those who are smarter and more cunning have long realized that without Russia there will be problems in the economy and the construction of their armed forces. Therefore, they are cooperating with our country, though someone is almost sincere, and someone pursuing their mercantile goals. Freedom is a subjective concept (i.e. who understands it as it is).
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 April 30 2016 11: 26
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Therefore, they cooperate with our country, though someone almost sincerely, and someone pursuing their mercantile goals


      If we take into account the purely "elite" - then there is no talk of any sincerity, there are only mercantile interests ...

      Even the wise Nazarbayev simply does not put his eggs in one basket and tries to be friends with everyone ... So far he has practically succeeded ... But Russia in this friendship is not a priority and irreplaceable ...
      1. okroshka79
        okroshka79 April 30 2016 18: 54
        +3
        My opinion is that the NAS sucks all the queens at once, if possible. Maybe he’s doing the right thing for Kazakhstan, but I don’t have any confidence in him, like the AHL from another fraternal republic, as a citizen of Russia. And the Russian leadership, in order to maintain the loyalty of these gentlemen to Russia, gives them all sorts of preferences. In particular, I came across a case where dual-use products were delivered to the Caspian for border guards to Kazakhstan cheaper than they were supplied for their needs.
      2. okroshka79
        okroshka79 April 30 2016 18: 54
        0
        My opinion is that the NAS sucks all the queens at once, if possible. Maybe he’s doing the right thing for Kazakhstan, but I don’t have any confidence in him, like the AHL from another fraternal republic, as a citizen of Russia. And the Russian leadership, in order to maintain the loyalty of these gentlemen to Russia, gives them all sorts of preferences. In particular, I came across a case where dual-use products were delivered to the Caspian for border guards to Kazakhstan cheaper than they were supplied for their needs.
  10. parusnik
    parusnik April 30 2016 07: 08
    +3
    In the coming decades, we will begin either the “cold world” or the “cold war” with the other states of the former USSR.... Or, the mind will work, from whom it remains .. everything will return to square one .. That which was created naturally and destroyed apart from the will will be restored ..
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 April 30 2016 11: 29
      +9
      Quote: parusnik
      Or, the mind will work, from whom it remains .. everything will return to square one.



      Yeah ... And modern buys will go to vassals to Russia ... Fantasy ...

      PS Even in Tajikistan, the border of which is guarded by our fighters, there are many not quite friendly manifestations towards Russia ... What can we say about others ???
      1. fif21
        fif21 April 30 2016 18: 06
        +9
        Quote: weksha50
        Yeah ... And modern buys will go to vassals to Russia ... Fantasy ...
        There is another option - self-isolation and quietly degrade in their villages laughing Russia's "friends" are authoritarian-dictatorial countries with the appearance of democracy. And each dictator has his own "cockroaches" request Since the days of the USSR, they are accustomed to living off Moscow money, and they continue to behave the same way — some blackmail, some threats, and they do not forget to kick the Russian living in their country and shit Russia. Maybe it's time to learn from the American experience, stick and carrot? If you want a loan, do this or that, you want an armament, do this or that, or else a freebie somehow relaxes them. hi
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  11. kos2910
    kos2910 April 30 2016 07: 08
    +15
    The analysis is good, but the mention of Crimea is strange, there is no such question already, as long as Russia exists
    1. Kasym
      Kasym April 30 2016 18: 08
      +6
      Yes, there is no analysis. Here is an example for you. Uzbekistan is armed with a Chinese counterpart S-300 (HQ-9), China. version of the UAV Predator, class AIM-9 Sidwinder missiles, AIM-120AMRAAM, AGM-65Maverick missiles (infarmation from the Swamp). The United States is throwing something out of the BTT. The Turkmens also engaged in the procurement of weapons on the side. And what they took naturally they will not say. hi
      1. marshes
        marshes April 30 2016 18: 22
        +2
        Quote: Kasym
        (Infarmation from the Swamp)

        Quote: Kasym
        A-9 Sidwinder, AIM-120AMRAAM missiles, AGM-65Maverick

        They don’t have, the Americans did not give permission to sell the Korean.
        He described what he described to ours. By the way, they graze here.
        The latest evidence, the creation of assault-sapper units, was not long ago demolished buildings and cleared, in Stepnogorsk.
        My application to the account of journalists at the training ground has been underway for a year now, you’re a witness.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym April 30 2016 19: 25
          +2
          Sorry, I do not understand the swamps. There you wrote from the red line on armaments, and I thought it was separate from the Korean plane. But the hands of the Uzbeks and Turkmens are untied - the truth is after the Russian Federation decided on internal. to let go of prices for the CSTO countries, they’ll probably bite their elbows. On the other hand, it is better for the Uzbeks not to be in the CSTO because of Afghanistan.
          Lelek, so even in the textbooks of our Crimea attributed to the Russian Federation-Kiev protested. Now they say that you can’t visit Crimea without their permission. laughing . It’s easy for you to refuse with such a territory and population, but it’s much more difficult for us. Take Belarus, which depends heavily on trade with Kiev - where should they go !? The same tractor for example. hi
          1. marshes
            marshes April 30 2016 19: 33
            +1
            Quote: Kasym
            - The truth is after the Russian Federation decided on internal. to let go of prices for the CSTO countries, they’ll probably bite their elbows.

            Yes, they do not differ much, there the cost of the contract is much included. Those 30, we in Irkutsk are required to carry out the regulation.
            By the way, the last time I gave references, for 2 lard, pig fat in Italian, 2020-32 aircraft should buy by 36.
            From 31 in the near future we say goodbye, the wear is terrible. The radar network, etc. ... will help to make a painless transition to 30/35.
            All the same, the MIG-35, there is interest. Thanks to you.
            1. Kasym
              Kasym April 30 2016 20: 12
              +4
              MiG-35. What side am I here? belay Although I am convinced that we really need it (price, quality, cost of service).
              MiG-31. I don’t think so, because The Russian Federation intensively saturates the North. The WAF talked about 1000 canned engines for him. Avionics must be completely changed. And the resource of the fuselage is huge, because titanium steel. The car went into production in 1981, so even for the very first MiG-31s, they were still 10 years old in the fuselage (everything depends on conservation). So let's see. But we have at least a squadron of these aircraft on the go (3 sam.v year, in the last 4 years underwent repairs). Recently there was an article for the MiG-31 and was surprised to see that we were doing something there in the Republic of Kazakhstan for the MiG-31. And one moment. In the MiG-31, you can cram such a radar, which simply will not fit into the Su-27 family. It seems to me that Russia is now thinking about resuming production of the MiG-31 - there is nothing to change it for.
              And it is right that the regulations should be carried out at "native" factories. Remember the Su-27 accidents that were being repaired in Belarus. This is not correct, because they just have to work out the contract and no more, and at least they will know what and how they did with the plane. Rogozin remember how he fought for the prices of weapons with manufacturers. At least you know at what price we got 4 Su-30SM. hi
              1. marshes
                marshes April 30 2016 20: 29
                +1
                Quote: Kasym
                MiG-35. What side am I here?

                You’re the most fighter for the MIG-35 that you don’t remember. Okay, your parents are old, but how many times did you remember 29 and the receiver 35.
                Quote: Kasym
                MiG-31. I don’t think so, because The Russian Federation intensively saturates the North. The WAF talked about 1000 canned engines for him. Avionics must be completely changed. And the resource of the fuselage is huge, because titanium steel. The car went into production in 1981, so even for the very first MiG-31s, they were still 10 years old in the fuselage (everything depends on conservation). So let's see. But we have at least a squadron of these aircraft on the go (3 sam.v year, in the last 4 years underwent repairs). Recently there was an article for the MiG-31 and was surprised to see that we were doing something there in the Republic of Kazakhstan for the MiG-31. And one moment. In the MiG-31, you can cram such a radar, which simply will not fit into the Su-27 family. It seems to me that Russia is now thinking about resuming production of the MiG-31 - there is nothing to change it for.

                Damn here in an ordinary car, cracks appear on langerons and fighters for a long time. Time ...

                Quote: Kasym
                And it is right that the regulations should be carried out at "native" factories. Remember the Su-27 accidents that were being repaired in Belarus.

                Belarus did not fall, it fell that those regulations passed in the Russian Federation, also from 31, in Rzhev. This is about the quality of the repair.
                Belarusians have done an awesome modernization and repair with the Jews.
                Quote: Kasym
                You know at what price we got 4 Su-30SM.

                Approximately 25 lyamas of killed raccoons loom. At that time. laughing Only 100 lyamas were paid, it was necessary to buy rubles according to KZ and pay them, then immediately 1-5 became and not 1-2.5 by that time. Babks are then taken in dead pridents. smile
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym April 30 2016 21: 24
                  +1
                  So I thought that YOU mean the interest of the STATE, and not our personal one. So then my favorite is the MiG-29 (35). Here is the concept of the Americans, for example. To hit from long distances. But if down below, on the ground, a battle is needed and the direct presence of fighters is needed to prevent attack aircraft, bombers and turntables from working in their own way - how do the Yankees think to do this from a distance !? And the infantry is much easier when they control their heads or fight over the sky. And here it’s better to simply not find the MiG-29 (35) (maneuverability and bombing). Rafali and other foreign ones will rise up to us in such a way that they will greatly strain at least with those regulations. Even NATO Poles with old F-16s cannot keep everyone on the wing. And according to all sources (and here on the site), the MiG-29 is cheaper to maintain. The second great ability of the MiG-29 is speed. He will not concede to all NATO aircraft, let alone the region, therefore he can catch up and punish the intruder, whom the ground-based radar can direct. And the range of the MiG-35 is increased (resources and avionics improved multiple). That is, what is not a full fighter !? Small, nimble (even without UVT). EW and special coverage (stealth) will make it a very difficult target. Add new engines, which are two, which indicates reliability. We have mastered the MiG-29, so price-quality-service is no better option. A couple of regiments of strands (one on the basis of the Su-27 family and one MiG-31) and four MiG-35 (center, west, south, east) for the Republic of Kazakhstan are the best option for fighters. Even those Turks have 200 light F-16s (even a quarter on conservation) in their territory.
                  Well, now, 4 Su-30SM for 100mil. - This is a great price - agree. Nowhere for such money will we take novie in such a quantity, therefore I wrote for elbows of Uzbeks and Turkmens. laughing ... And if we implement the plans for the T-90 with UVZ and what else is there about the BTT, then in general it is beauty in comparison with our neighbors in Central Asia. Let them continue to "save" - ​​the train will go far. laughing ... It’s me and my friends who make fun of me when it comes to Uzbeks and Turkmens - "to save" - ​​I don’t understand why they barricaded themselves. One neutrality, the other "show-off pounding" some.
                  In the Su-27 accident, I had another infa. There’s even nothing to say, but there seems to be more order now. Once done, then let it do the repair.
                  So the RK, in my opinion, is doing something on titanium or steel for the MiG-31. Other, what can we do for him? Such a case (steel) is easier to do (weld, repair, replace the sheet) than to work with (riveting) aluminum, what do you think?
                  In my opinion, serious purchases will begin when our program for repair and modernization of the aircraft ends. It was accepted, and the NAS in such matters is scrupulous. I don’t remember for how long, but somewhere at the end of this decade. hi
    2. Lelek
      Lelek April 30 2016 18: 44
      +2
      Quote: kos2910
      The analysis is good, but the mention of Crimea is strange, there is no such question already, as long as Russia exists



      Why not. None of the leaders of the CSTO countries recognized Russia's priority over Crimea. And as far as VNA 404 is, which TV and radio station does not declare the return of Crimea back to this unfinished state. And again - not a single condemnation of this from our "friends and allies".
      (cry.)
  12. Dimy4
    Dimy4 April 30 2016 07: 09
    +21
    ... fraternal republic ...

    It’s time for us to understand for a long time that we don’t have any brothers, sisters and other uncles and aunts on the geopolitical board. And there are elementary milkers who look as though more successfully milking a big neighbor.
  13. Basil50
    Basil50 April 30 2016 07: 42
    +13
    It seems to me that such relations as today, * crafty * candidates for * fraternal peoples *, are perceived as fraternal, saying that I need everything that I need, and * I * will not be offended.
  14. Fatih88
    Fatih88 April 30 2016 08: 10
    +4
    Good analysis. One thing is clear. Buying modern weapons is good. But developing your defense industry is even better. Thank God in Azerbaijan we understand this.
    1. fif21
      fif21 April 30 2016 18: 15
      +1
      Quote: Fatih88
      to develop your defense industry is even better. Thank God in Azerbaijan we understand this.
      Well, if you have nowhere to go, reinvent the wheel laughing Who are you going to fight with? In Russia, on the markets from the National Guard to fight back?
      1. Fatih88
        Fatih88 April 30 2016 18: 33
        +3
        We will fight with the Martians. Not tired of asking such stupid questions like with whom are you going to fight?
        1. fif21
          fif21 April 30 2016 18: 47
          -1
          Quote: Fatih88
          Not tired of asking such stupid questions like with whom are you going to fight?
          Well, from whom are you going to fight back? wassat Teach history - neither Sadam, nor Hussein, nor Gaddafi saved their armies from an external aggressor request So you need an army to maintain Aliyev’s power in the country?
          1. Fatih88
            Fatih88 April 30 2016 19: 07
            +4
            I ask you the same question. Do you need an army to keep Putin in power? And again I ask you that question again. Are you tired of asking such stupid questions?
            1. fif21
              fif21 April 30 2016 19: 30
              0
              Quote: Fatih88
              I ask you the same question. Do you need an army to keep Putin in power?
              The army could not save the USSR and Gorbachev’s power! The army could not save Yanukovych! And Russia would not need an army, but the realities of the world are such that they have to spend on defense. And your problem in Karabakh has no military solution. The EU has also placed its protection against external threats on the United States! Peace to your country, economic prosperity, and reliable allies that will protect you.
              1. Fatih88
                Fatih88 April 30 2016 19: 53
                +3
                No one is protecting us. We do not have foreign military bases. We protect ourselves. Our country has an enemy in the face of Armenia and the Karabakh problem. So we really need an army. We will not feed our army; we will feed someone else's.
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          2. Bakht
            Bakht April 30 2016 23: 28
            +6
            neither Sadam, nor Hussein, nor Gaddafi

            Chukchi "I learned that Marx and Engels are two different people, and Slava KPSS is not a person at all"
            1. fif21
              fif21 1 May 2016 00: 01
              -8
              Quote: Bakht
              Chukchi "I learned that Marx and Engels are two different people, and Slava KPSS is not a person at all"
              Eyed hell however wassat
              You go from "chock" to "chock with eyes".
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 1 May 2016 00: 11
                +2
                It seems that A. Bek has a phrase in "Volokolamsk highway": "There are eyes, but look no" bully
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  15. kon125
    kon125 April 30 2016 08: 13
    +10
    The hidden drift of the former Soviet republics towards the West still prevails immediately because of the inevitable departure, or rather, the physical death of the lillers. These former First Secretaries are not immortal. They will be followed by more limited politicians. Populists forced in exchange for election will get a lot of support from them. two sources, from the West, and from a nationally inclined population. In the Asian republics, the role of Islam is growing. Do not fight with it. Jamaats are being created, Central Asians are sent to Syria. The period when Russia can use the principle of economic gingerbread and soft power against its allies is inevitable leaves.
    It can be followed by instability. And the question asked in the article is the bulletin, namely, whether the national armed forces can withstand threats. Inside and out. Andijan, the Uzbek-Kyrgyz confrontation.
    These factors may require military intervention from Russia, Alas. Which is not what I would like to do. Who will change the regimes of Lukashenko, Nazarbayev, Karimov, Rakhmonov.
    They hold on to the inertia of the Soviet legacy that will be after them. When these First Secretaries leave. They ruled for a very long time.
    1. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 1 May 2016 08: 31
      +2
      At this point, you need to lower America below the baseboard
  16. Gvas1174
    Gvas1174 April 30 2016 08: 50
    +8
    Analysis is more than good.
    Relationships are "kinship", but sometimes Ramses are not weak about relations, besides, it should be borne in mind that Russian business has strong interests almost everywhere, and in some places, such as Tajikistan, it is Russian business that rules, respectively, and the presence of security forces is not weak. In Kazakhstan itself, due to its multi-vector nature, two significant business groups compete with their lobbies, China and Russia, which is quite possible in the future may lead to ambiguous situations.
  17. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 30 2016 09: 20
    +12
    The elder brothers are ready to sell the latest equipment to the “younger ones” exclusively at the full price, for which the vast majority of post-Soviet countries simply do not have the means, and many have the staff to master it.

    The former republics of the USSR are used to receiving a lot and giving little. This is their trouble. It’s not possible to quickly change your mentality in this regard.
    To be independent is, first of all, to be responsible for the decisions made.
    When the USSR was in office, it made decisions and Moscow was responsible for everything. And they want to make decisions themselves, and they want to put the consequences on Russia.
    But now the time is not right. Hence the result. Former allies of Russia rush between west and east, looking for a patron ...
    1. Apsit
      Apsit April 30 2016 16: 18
      +2
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Former allies of Russia rush between west and east, looking for a patron ...

      Rushing time has passed, we must make a decision. Otherwise, as in / in Ukraine will be.
  18. Nonna
    Nonna April 30 2016 09: 46
    +15
    these, especially the Central Asian republics, will have nothing. Low education, and most importantly, the mentality of the people. If they grazed sheep for centuries, and they were torn out of the steppe for 70 years, then with the collapse of the USSR they returned to their usual state of a shepherd. Everything that was built there was built by the Russians. What can Kazakhs do? Just buy and sell. Well, we somehow learned how to repair oil wells under the guidance of the Russians. Only Russians are still working at the Aktau NPP. because it is nuclear physics. And the local aborigines have a life principle - “I will go out into the steppe, lie down on a hillock - good!” Nothing will ever happen there, as in Ukraine - the Seluk will remain swineherds. Russia has no brothers, but it has an army and a navy! I know perfectly well how Russians were smoked out of Kazakhstan, and now they are only tolerated. So they are not my brothers, and never will be.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 April 30 2016 15: 12
      +2
      Nonna

      When the USSR, everything was built not only Russian.

      According to the distribution after the institute directions were to and from the Asian republics. Everything was done in such a way that the nations would mix.

      To say that it was only Russia that made the only contribution to development would not be correct. We can talk about the main contribution. Due to the size of the federation.
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek April 30 2016 19: 07
        0
        When the USSR, everything was built not only Russian.

        According to the distribution after the institute directions were to and from the Asian republics. Everything was done in such a way that the nations would mix.



        But after the collapse of the Soviet Union suddenly it turned out ....
        That production remained in Russia, Belarus and eastern Ukraine ...
    2. Talgat 148
      Talgat 148 April 30 2016 21: 35
      +1
      Miserable Nonna! Rams graze in your head !!! Cossack.
      1. Nonna
        Nonna 1 May 2016 10: 33
        +1
        Talgat. One level of your answer shows how close you are to the mentality of the shepherd of sheep and camels. This once again shows that CIVILIZATION with its science and education is not for people like Talgat
        1. Talgat 148
          Talgat 148 1 May 2016 16: 10
          -1
          Is that you civilization ??? Which all are divided into Churks, Blacks, Uryukov, Jews and others, etc. you chtoli science and education ??? How are you different from us ??? They set up the whole world against themselves. I will no longer vote for the Customs Union or whatever ... now I'm not your ally ...
    3. Hurray
      Hurray 1 May 2016 02: 26
      0
      I would not belittle them so much, but alarming trends are observed in Kazakhstan. There they suggested that Genghis Khan was a "Kazakh" and that they were his legal successors. For professionals, this is certainly funny, but howls of ukrov about their rights to Russia also amused us for a long time. What it resulted in we see every day on TV. Therefore, it is time to somehow resolve the issue of southern Siberia.
      1. Talgat 148
        Talgat 148 1 May 2016 15: 59
        -1
        South Siberia is not Crimea for you! Reshalk immediately fall off realized! I decided a pancake was found!
  19. NKVD
    NKVD April 30 2016 10: 29
    +5
    I do not agree with the author. Since Transnistria and even more so Nagorno-Karabakh have the least chance of a peaceful resolution. Krymnash, Abkhazia and South Ossetia are even partially recognized by the Russian military bases there, while only our peacekeeping corps in Transnistria.
    1. Fatih88
      Fatih88 April 30 2016 10: 59
      +3
      As for Transnistria, I won’t say anything. Perhaps the problem can be solved peacefully. But as for Karabakh, in the near future I doubt that it will be possible to solve this problem peacefully.
  20. From Udmurtia
    From Udmurtia April 30 2016 10: 31
    +6
    The day before, I spoke with a friend, a migrant from Uzbekistan. He said that practically all prizvodsies were closed in Uzbekistan: the Russian-speakers left, and no one was able to manage the local production from the locals.
    1. Nicola Bari
      Nicola Bari April 30 2016 11: 10
      +7
      Quote: From Udmurtia
      Russian speakers left


      They did not leave - they were persistently and not very politely "asked" about it. And so practically everywhere.
    2. Apsit
      Apsit April 30 2016 16: 20
      +5
      Quote: From Udmurtia
      and none of the locals is in a position to lead the industry.

      Their main production is pellet oven.
  21. NACC
    NACC April 30 2016 10: 39
    +5
    It’s time to put all the points — those who are not with us are against us.
  22. Stas57
    Stas57 April 30 2016 10: 56
    +4
    Some may disappear along with their armies.
    Well, it’s kind of like the whole of Europe, and there are armies, but in fact countries no longer exist, they won’t win any war separately, and they’re not even able to wage war. Well, if Germany can still a day, another buzz, then Holland, Belgium and others will become in the usual position
  23. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab April 30 2016 10: 57
    +2
    It is a pity that after the collapse of the alliance and with reductions in the Russian army, many types of weapons were cut to pieces, including the almost new MiG-27K and Su-17m4, armored vehicles, naval ships ... could the country now make good money on the "Ukrainian" version? selling such weapons with a large residual resource to poor "allies"
  24. weksha50
    weksha50 April 30 2016 10: 58
    +9
    "at best, our military only five CSTO members will be allies, two of which will obviously remain pure “security consumers”"...

    To be honest, it’s not two, but all five ... And by no means allies, namely consumers ...

    So Russia should rely only on itself, but in foreign policy try not to make new enemies ...

    Although there are already so many of these enemies, what much more?
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 April 30 2016 15: 57
      +5
      weksha50

      A good term from the author is "security consumers".
      "Independence from Russia leads to the loss of statehood"

      Briefly capacious and accurate.
  25. Record Nadoev
    Record Nadoev April 30 2016 11: 02
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Khramchikhin
    At the moment, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan have the best situation.

    In fact, in descending order according to Credit Suisse for 2014, the best economic situation is:
    1. Turkmenistan
    2. Estonia.
    3. Lithuania.
    4. Latvia.
    5. Georgia.
    Worst of all, according to the same source, the situation is:
    11. Kyrgyzstan.
    12. Moldova.
    13. Tajikistan.
    14. Belarus.
    15. Ukraine.
    Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are just in the middle of the list.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek April 30 2016 15: 04
      +8
      am

      In fact, in descending order according to Credit Suisse for 2014, the best economic situation is:
      1. Turkmenistan
      2. Estonia.



      laughing
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik April 30 2016 17: 55
        +5
        Quote: Olezhek
        am

        In fact, in descending order according to Credit Suisse for 2014, the best economic situation is:
        1. Turkmenistan
        2. Estonia.



        laughing

        Well said - short and clear. I will support:
        laughing fool wink
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 1 May 2016 05: 59
          +1
          Quote: Record Nadoev
          in descending order according to Credit Suisse for 2014, the best economic situation

          In general, to believe all these lists and ratings - do not respect yourself. negative
          1. Record Nadoev
            Record Nadoev 1 May 2016 09: 11
            0
            Quote: EvgNik
            In general, believe all these lists and ratings - do not respect yourself

            The whole world knows better what to respect. The opinion of Credit Suisse or the opinion of a user with the nickname EvgNik. The world has somehow decided on this issue itself. And not in favor of the "smart user", of course.
        2. Record Nadoev
          Record Nadoev 1 May 2016 09: 14
          0
          Quote: EvgNik
          Well said - short and clear. I will support:

          Here is the average animashka, she's probably about you. "No mind, consider a cripple" is a Russian proverb.
  26. robbihood
    robbihood April 30 2016 12: 49
    +1
    I, Belarus, did not understand the main message of the article. The question is posed in the plane of the army? What should be our Belarusian army? This question was answered by our new military doctrine. It retained a defensive character, and the use of military force is considered only as an exceptional measure. In particular, a ban on the participation of the army in operations abroad is provided. Earlier it was reported that the doctrine defines the direction of development of the defense sector of the Belarusian economy, in particular the development of its own “defense” and the creation of Belarusian models of equipment and weapons. As noted by the Minister of Defense of Belarus Andrei Ravkov, introducing the document,
    “Today, in addition to the classical forms of the use of armed forces, the use of a strategy of indirect actions has become typical. It provides for the conduct of hostilities by other people, the massive involvement of radical extremist and terrorist organizations, private military campaigns, the widespread use of the protest potential of the population, ”Ravkov said.

    According to him, the emphasis in the doctrine "is made on the trends associated with the development of color revolutions and mechanisms for changing the constitutional system, violation of the territorial integrity of the state by provoking internal armed conflicts."

    The doctrine also expanded the list of internal and external threats. “At the same time, the list of measures that the state will take to ensure its military security has been accordingly expanded. For the first time, an active position has been set out to prevent a military conflict through the adoption of preventive measures of strategic deterrence, ”said the head of the Ministry of Defense.

    In addition, he noted, the document took into account “all possible options for unleashing aggression against Belarus, including at the stage of internal armed conflict provoked from the outside using hybrid methods of confrontation”.

    Ravkov also said that “along with the prioritization of allied relations” with Russia, the military doctrine contains an interest in developing good neighborly and partnership relations with the European Union, as well as a desire for openness and mutual understanding with NATO. “The main idea is that we are open for cooperation for everyone, but subject to the observance of the national interests of Belarus,” the minister said.

    Ravkov emphasized: despite the large volume of changes, the Military Doctrine of Belarus remains defensive in nature. Belarus has NO territorial or political claims to our neighbors.
    1. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo April 30 2016 13: 45
      +1
      Quote: robbihood
      “Today, in addition to the classical forms of the use of armed forces, the use of a strategy of indirect actions has become typical. It provides for the conduct of hostilities by other people, the massive involvement of radical extremist and terrorist organizations, private military campaigns, the widespread use of the protest potential of the population, ”Ravkov said.

      This is the "doctrine", according to the system - all around are fools who are just waiting for what the "authoritative" Belarusians will tell them.
      As if later only to such strategists as Andrei Ravkov, once again, one would not have to fight not on someone else's, but on their own territory. Already putting at the forefront not the mythical control of the actions of his enemy, but his own actions of a classical form. If he really said such a thing, then he, together with Lukashenko, is God Himself who rule the whole world. In which all the time something goes wrong, and only this couple knows how to resolve it all in their favor.
    2. Olezhek
      Olezhek April 30 2016 14: 52
      +6
      I, Belarusian, did not understand the main message of the article.


      It is simple - Belarus won’t win the 3 World War ... Alas, Komrad, don’t drink you trophy beer ..

      What should be our Belarusian army? This question was answered by our new military doctrine. She retained a defensive character, and the use of military force is considered only as an exceptional measure.


      The NATO generals breathed a sigh of relief and wiped off the cold sweat .. But they didn’t even dream of surviving ...

      development of its own “defense industry” and the creation of Belarusian models of equipment and weapons.


      Economic fiction ...


      Ravkov also said that “along with the prioritization of allied relations” with Russia, the military doctrine spelled out an interest in the development of good-neighborly and partnership relations with the European Union, as well as to openness and development of mutual understanding with NATO.


      You are the main, better open ... and wait ... there will be a peremoga ...

      I read a new Belarusian doctrine (what was published), laughed a lot ... laughing
      1. robbihood
        robbihood April 30 2016 15: 38
        -1
        Laughter prolongs life! Long years since There will be many more reasons for your cheerful laugh. And not only in Belarus.
      2. robbihood
        robbihood April 30 2016 15: 45
        0
        Yes, enlighten, "peremog", this is in Bashkir, Mordovian, Buryat, Chuvash or Tatar - what does it mean?
    3. gladcu2
      gladcu2 April 30 2016 16: 02
      +3
      robbiehood

      There, the author’s key phrase at the beginning of the article says that the true independence of the state and the only opportunity to maintain statehood depends only on good allied relations with the Russian Federation.

      It is obvious. And do not argue.
    4. fif21
      fif21 April 30 2016 18: 33
      +2
      Quote: robbihood
      along with setting priorities for allied relations ”with Russia, the military doctrine contains an interest in developing good neighborly and partnership relations with the European Union, as well as a desire for openness and mutual understanding with NATO. “The main idea is that we are open for cooperation for everyone, but subject to the observance of the national interests of Belarus,” the minister said.
      You want, this is your idea, how did you think about it in NATO and Moscow? And eat the fish and ... sit down laughing Are you sure NATO is interested in your interests? Where and when did they take into account the interests of other countries - give an example. hi With such ideas, you can get to Ukraine! You already decide wassat Russia is a patient country, but there is a limit to everything. hi
    5. fif21
      fif21 April 30 2016 18: 33
      +1
      Quote: robbihood
      along with setting priorities for allied relations ”with Russia, the military doctrine contains an interest in developing good neighborly and partnership relations with the European Union, as well as a desire for openness and mutual understanding with NATO. “The main idea is that we are open for cooperation for everyone, but subject to the observance of the national interests of Belarus,” the minister said.
      You want, this is your idea, how did you think about it in NATO and Moscow? And eat the fish and ... sit down laughing Are you sure NATO is interested in your interests? Where and when did they take into account the interests of other countries - give an example. hi With such ideas, you can get to Ukraine! You already decide wassat Russia is a patient country, but there is a limit to everything. hi
    6. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB April 30 2016 21: 15
      0
      What did you want to say? Or do you work as Ravkov’s press secretary?
    7. Talgat 148
      Talgat 148 April 30 2016 21: 39
      +2
      How can one write about his allies. Okay, we Kazakhs are unloved by Russians, but did Belarusians do anything wrong ???
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      2. fif21
        fif21 April 30 2016 22: 30
        +1
        Quote: Talgat 148
        Okay, we Kazakhs are unloved by Russians, but did Belarusians do anything wrong ???
        I recall the riots organized by nationalists at the end of 80 in Alma-Ata killed the Russians, unloading the train with demobilization, they were given only sapper blades from their weapons .... Relatives of those who left Alma-Ata because of real fears for their lives ... the city of Verny was renamed in Alma-Ata, and I want to ask, Uryuki, what did the Russians do wrong to you? There is no love for you, no hatred, only business and pragmatism remains.
        1. Talgat 148
          Talgat 148 1 May 2016 06: 33
          +3
          Horror! What are you writing?????!!! December 16, 1986 killed 3 Kazakhs! Read the wiki! Faithful, the Russian Bolsheviks renamed Alma-Ata in the distant 20s! Uryuki ?! What demobilization ??? Borscht???
        2. Talgat 148
          Talgat 148 1 May 2016 06: 35
          +2
          , that's terrible? What an illiteracy! The monkey with a grenade on the clave learned to poke !!!
          1. kon125
            kon125 1 May 2016 12: 30
            +6
            Talgat, I am from Guryev. I was forced to leave in the 90s. But I love Kazakhs, and no one can forbid me to do that. Because I know them. There is no more power than brotherly love. My mother was saved from hunger in the war by Kazakh friends of my grandmother when Grandfather Georgy was at the front, there, in the steppe, they were accepted as their children. There is in the Russian anthem the following words "Ancestors gave the wisdom of the people." Do not change the precepts of the ancestors. Keep .. it is necessary to maintain relations created over the centuries. .Wise to look at things. This is now our mission. To pass it on to children. I spoke with the adviser to the President of Uzbekistan. An elderly general in Russia visited his friends at the school, colleagues in the army, and everywhere he was received in a brotherly manner. He is the Commander of the Cadet Corps. He proposed the organization trips of Uzbek kalets to the cadets of Russia. Because when they grow up, they will become an elite. And they will preserve friendship. This is wisdom. May God understand this ... The mission of Russia is to be in the center. To preserve this large civilizational region, the most The largest in the world called Eurasia, or Heartland, in the terminology of the United States. Which proclaimed a strategy who owns the Heartland, he owns the world. Eurasia does not need to be owned. One must live. Without instructions, as we have always lived. Their way, not accepting any Western teachings, nor radical nationalistic and religious strategies aimed at quarreling, destroying, and mastering the Heart of the World in which we all live.
          2. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 1 May 2016 18: 21
            +1
            And I am from Semipalatinsk, I also left in the 90s. And I perfectly remember the ethnic cleansing of the 90s! When the Russians were squeezed out, first from high-ranking posts, then simply from posts, then from engineering posts ... And then, in addition to the janitor, in general, it was impossible to get a job ... And they began to squeeze out of the country! How many Russians were in Kazakhstan in the late 80s? And how much is left now ???
            And you still say something about love)))
            1. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu 1 May 2016 19: 34
              0
              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              And I remember 90's ethnic cleansing perfectly!
              Definition from wiki
              “Ethnic cleansing” is the ousting from a certain territory of one ethnic group by another ethnic community. Usually this repression takes on violent forms, although there are examples of voluntary or compensated ethnic cleansing.
              There are also examples on Wiki, examples from the history of Russia - was it similar to what happened in Kazakhstan in 90? fool ?!
              -Edication after 1864 of the Adyg tribes of the Western Caucasus by the Russian government. Almost the entire population of the region, about half a million people, was evicted to the Ottoman Empire.
              -Exportation of the Polish population from Belarus and Ukraine to Kazakhstan in 1932 - 1936.
              - Deportation of Polish, Finnish, Romanian, Ukrainian population from the territories attached to the USSR in 1939 - 1940 (there were cases of mass executions of Poles
              -The mass deportation of ethnic Germans of the Volga region to Siberia, Central Asia and Kazakhstan and Koreans from the Far East to Central Asia (shooting are also frequent).
              - Deportation of Meskhetian Turks, Islamized Hamshen Armenians (Hemshilians) and Pontic Greeks from Georgia to Central Asia.
              -Mass deportation of Chechens, Ingushes, Balkarians, Kalmyks, Crimean Tatars, Karachays, carried out in 1943 - 1944 at the direction of Stalin under the pretext of the available facts of cooperation of these peoples with the Nazi invaders.
              .
              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              And then, besides the janitor, in general, it was impossible to get a job ...
              Well, if you're okromya like a broom is not capable .. laughing Ksta Egor with Lisakovsk you in what neighborhood to sweep lol ?!
              Quote: Tujh
              The problem is completely different - if Elbasa decided to build a khanate of his beloved name on the remnants of the republic, then I am not going to be in him with his devoted nuker.

              From it like lol Interestingly Rau Albert Palych, do you think his devotee is a nuker ?! And Lilia Gerbertovna Leskova, the Dean of the LFDO, is a nukersh ?! The problem is that Lisakovsk is a small town where the niche of acceptable jobs is extremely small. And therefore get a good job, usually through an acquaintance ..
              Half the city on watch ..
              And stories and I can pobalakat ..
              I was in Zhitikar with a friend.
              Came to his neighbor, talking. In general, he installed intercoms in Lisakovsk. They went around all the apartments of one high-rise building - collected signatures. None subscribed. Then he asked a friend, a Russian by nationality. Signed all ..
              Findings.. repeat
            2. romb
              romb 4 May 2016 15: 16
              0
              Are you ... or is it temporary? Find out first what "ethnic cleansing" means, and only then write your nonsense.
              How many "witnesses" are inadequate the Internet has spawned in recent years laughing
  27. Olezhek
    Olezhek April 30 2016 14: 39
    +4
    The events of the last eight years have unequivocally shown that an alliance with Russia guarantees the country protection in the event of any problems, and with NATO, the absence of such protection, military defeat and, possibly, territorial losses. However, these obvious facts contradict the usual idea of ​​independence from Russia.


    Well formulated! Thank. Good article.
  28. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 April 30 2016 14: 42
    -3
    Dear "military expert" Alexander Anatolyevich Khramchikhin, you would be better off doing what you were taught at the Physics Department of Moscow State University.
  29. Olezhek
    Olezhek April 30 2016 14: 55
    +4
    Independence from Russia leads to loss of statehood
    Analysis of the current state of the armed forces of the post-Soviet countries (excluding Russia) suggests that their prospects are not very bright. Some may disappear along with their armies.


    Just reading my mind ... hi
  30. kush62
    kush62 April 30 2016 16: 00
    +7
    Posted by
    Even in the USSR, brave Georgians proved their inability to produce quality products ...

    In the mid-80s, he repaired TVs "Iveria Ts-202"
    All the boards had the inscription "Ruby"
    Tear off the sticker on the TV. and under it, too, "Ruby".
    I wonder at what level is the radio-electronic industry of "proud and independent" Georgia?

    laughing
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 3 May 2016 08: 40
      0
      Quote: kush62
      Even in the USSR, brave Georgians proved their inability to produce quality products ...

      In the mid-80s, he repaired TVs "Iveria Ts-202"
      All the boards had the inscription "Ruby"
      Tear off the sticker on the TV. and under it, too, "Ruby".
      I wonder at what level is the radio-electronic industry of "proud and independent" Georgia?


      Well, actually, in Tbilisi, before the collapse of the USSR, there was a radio electronics plant producing defense products.
      In addition, aircraft, tank repair and machine tool.
      This is so offhand.
      Of course, now everything is the same as ours is plundered and destroyed by "effective managers"
  31. Bakht
    Bakht April 30 2016 16: 46
    +8
    In principle, an article can be considered a normal analysis. Some points are doubtful, but in a first approximation it will do. It’s not entirely clear - what is the conclusion? No one will go to a close alliance. Everyone wants to milk their cow themselves. Also, do not lose sight of the demographic factor. The Bolsheviks were able to assemble the country (with little loss), because the inertia of thinking still persisted. Now, after 25 years, a whole generation has grown up that does not accept Russian (Soviet) culture. With each new year, this gap will only deepen. Ukraine is the most striking example of how in 25 years you can make a Russophobe out of a Slavic who speaks Russian; What to speak of non-Slavs?

    Military security is only one of the factors. Maybe important, but not the only one. The situation is much worse than presented in the article.
    1. Awaz
      Awaz April 30 2016 20: 02
      +2
      The USSR collected the fled republics not only because of the preserved mentality. Those who broke away then did not have any special military and economic power and yet ... everyone understood that without Russia they were nobody and then there was no such opportunity for the British Empire to help fight against the Reds. The same Azerbaijan was taken drunk red. This is real, without any mockery. I’ll try to recall right now. When the Reds got tired of shoving oil from Baku, they decided to take Baku by force. It is clear that the power of the revolutionary masses with the support of the Red Army from outside. The plan was simple and reminded of what they are doing right now in the world: a gang of commissars raises a riot, capture a couple of administrative buildings, and the valiant Red Army comes to their aid. But drunk, the sailors on one armored train, accidentally, took off ahead of time and rushed south ... Appearing in the immediate vicinity of the troops under the jurisdiction of Baku, seeing an armored train with red flags, they quickly decided to surrender or switch to the Red side. In general, so without loss, already from a hangover, but in common sense, this armored train reached Baku and the authorities there began to scatter. The Azerbaijani commissars, who were supposed to raise a riot, organized it honestly, but already when Russian sailors were in charge of the city from an armored train. It is worth recalling that just in those days some bloody events took place between the Azerbaijanis and the Armenians, of whom there were many in those years in Baku. The instigators were just the Armenians.
      But this is not the funniest story. It was funny when the Reds on some kind of rusty trough seized the main base of the British army in Iran. Some White Guardsman recalled: Although I do not attract the Bolsheviks, I am proud that I am Russian when I see what Russians are doing with these vaunted British.
      1. fif21
        fif21 April 30 2016 22: 55
        +2
        Quote: AwaZ
        The same Azerbaijan was taken drunk red
        Do you remember about 26 Baku commissars? wassat And about the British intervention in Azerbaijan, and he was part of the Russian Empire? Have you forgotten about the embassies to the Russian Tsar for protection from the Turks? As part of Russia and the USSR, you remained a nation, and so you were waiting for the fate of the Kurds in the Ottoman Empire. Did you take Berlin too drunk? I will say this - then drunk oversleep, but never smart laughing
        1. Awaz
          Awaz 1 May 2016 07: 10
          -2
          Yes, there were no Baku commissioners. Of course, this will not be written on Wikipedia. This topic has long been studied.
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      3. Bakht
        Bakht April 30 2016 23: 09
        -1
        Honestly, I don't even know what to say to such an "analysis". Weak (much weaker than Azerbaijan) Finland and the Baltic states were able to break away, while Georgia and Azerbaijan could not. And "drunk" let's leave on the conscience of the one who believes in such nonsense. The fact that Turkish officers were at the head of the 11th Bolshevik Army does not mean anything? And the "events" took place not in Baku, but in Nagorno-Karabakh, as far as I know ...

        But in general - I simply could not resist such an "analysis".
        1. fif21
          fif21 April 30 2016 23: 49
          +3
          Quote: Bakht
          The fact that at the head of the 11th Army of the Bolsheviks were Turkish officers did not say anything
          Can I find out the names and surnames? + Party affiliation. Really curious! Can the part numbers of the Turkish Sultan fighting for the Bolsheviks be called?
        2. fif21
          fif21 April 30 2016 23: 49
          0
          Quote: Bakht
          The fact that at the head of the 11th Army of the Bolsheviks were Turkish officers did not say anything
          Can I find out the names and surnames? + Party affiliation. Really curious! Can the part numbers of the Turkish Sultan fighting for the Bolsheviks be called?
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 1 May 2016 00: 04
            +4
            Well, at least they looked at Wikipedia

            In a letter dated March 17 to Khalil Pasha and Nuri Pasha, Brigadier General Kazym Karabekir Pasha, commander of the Eastern Army of the VNST, wrote that “for the Bolsheviks to appear at the Turkish borders, the Bolsheviks must immediately capture the entire Caucasus, and even their small forces, having arrived in Azerbaijan and together with the Azerbaijanis, reaching the borders of Turkey, they will play to the benefit of Turkish interests. It would be very opportune to secure the coming to power of the Bolsheviks in Azerbaijan, Dagestan and Georgia ... ” The Turkish side proposed using parts of Khalil Pasha formed in Dagestan to capture Azerbaijan. The Caucasus Regional Committee noted that "the use of Khalil Pasha as the commander of the Muslim unit that will go ahead of our units, his popularity and influence in the Azerbaijani government can save the oil fields and oil reserves from destruction." In addition, the Executive Committee of the Turkish National Movement ordered all Turks in Baku to obey all orders of the Caucasus Regional Committee. In this regard, it is noteworthy that the Turks themselves, who were in the service of the Musavatists (for example, Hulusi Mammadzade, an officer of the Shirvan regiment, which was the main part of the Lankaran garrison in late 1919 - early 1920) campaigned among the soldiers in favor of the Soviet regime.

            The most famous is Khalil Pasha.

            The main forces of the Azerbaijani army were at that time in Karabakh where there was an uprising of Armenians against Azerbaijan. I do not believe in coincidence.
            1. fif21
              fif21 1 May 2016 01: 12
              +2
              Quote: Bakht
              The most famous is Khalil Pasha

              Yeah what The fate of small countries is unenviable, pawns in the geopolitical game. They started to bang in Karabakh - they received "bream" from Russia and the EU, Turkey praised it, the US did not notice. Want to resolve the issue by force. The Armenians are in Karabakh, and they have no other territorial claims against you, so the aggression comes from you. You want to return what you think is yours. As in Crimea you will not succeed, it will be like in Georgia. All the same, a "bad" peace is better than a good war. hi The choice is yours.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 1 May 2016 01: 58
                +1
                "Bukav" is a lot, it makes little sense. What exactly they wanted to say is unclear.
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            3. Awaz
              Awaz 1 May 2016 07: 08
              0
              this does not say that they were headed. This just confirms my reasoning. The Turks also had serious problems and all their former friends ignored them too. The RSFSR was not able to fight the Turks, and therefore compromised. Even in your Wikipedia copying it is precisely indicated that there was no great red force in Azerbaijan. They probably remembered about the drunk armored train.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 1 May 2016 09: 09
                +3
                Well, if point by point, then you wrote that the Bolsheviks were "tyril oil". Oil was exported by Gubanov in 1918-19 (I remember I went to the library named after Gubanov). In 1920, no one "tyr" anymore.
                The Bolsheviks took Azerbaijan "drunk". Wrong. Quite deliberately, and there were reasons for that. The 11th Red Army was a considerable force by the standards of that time. Well, they don't send an armored train "drunk"
                Turkish officers marched with advanced Red units. I had a good history teacher. By the way, a Jew. In 1974, we drove to the Shemakha road. There was the grave of a Turkish officer. We looked after her. It is strange, as I now understand, that in 1974 our teacher could organize such trips. The bus was given from the CCF (Red Banner Caspian Flotilla).
                On these points, my perplexities arose. It was a planned operation to seize Transcaucasia. The task of the World Revolution was being solved with an attempt to ignite it in Turkey.
      4. Awaz
        Awaz 1 May 2016 09: 17
        +2
        I apologize, there were still 4 armored trains and they all successfully reached Baku, where they were divided into two groups and the city took 2 armored trains and a bunch of troops. Further I remembered. Turkey at the end of World War I was generally torn by Armenia to Greece and part of the territory fell under the protectorate of England, France and Italy. If it weren’t for the Kemal revolution, it would have happened, but Kemal managed to enlist the support of the Reds, in exchange for territorial exchanges, and he retained his territories in general, leaving behind the Azerbaijanis.
        The massacre between Azerbaijanis and Armenians nevertheless comes from the Turkish massacre of 15 years. Thinly poor Azerbaijanis did not sit there either. But this topic was then somewhat sluggish, since both of these peoples, for example, lived nearby in Baku and made up approximately equal shares of the population. With all the misunderstandings, they lived there poorly and poorly peacefully. Until the division of power began there. In general, there was something horrible and it’s just impossible to understand who is what and how. Well, about the Baku commissars, Stalin said best of all: cowardly sheep who made porridge and left everyone. And not all were shot. So they were detained by 35 people and even managed to escape from justice in Baku, but they were caught by whites and found a list of 26 names (they shot these names. But not all were commissioners. They have multiple advantages in personnel and weapons simply fled from the Turkish like a warrior, the very Pasha. (if I’m not mistaken again) memory is already failing unambiguously. I’m not working on the topic for a long time
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 1 May 2016 10: 58
          +1
          That's right, don't do it. You have forgotten a lot. This is me delicately.
          1. Awaz
            Awaz 2 May 2016 14: 19
            0
            by the way, I also read modern Azerbaijani versions of the history of this territory. Well, of course, they do not reach the Ukrainians, but they did not go far. And with regards to the horse, it is worth remembering that Turkey retained its territory by placing it at one time in Russia. If a section had been carried out according to the results of the First World War, a small piece of Turkey would have remained. Well, maybe then someday she would be returned to the territories controlled by England, France and Italy. The Reds "surrendered" Armenia to the Turks, precisely because of a slight desire to fight, and the completely friendly behavior of the Turks at that moment and the not very friendly behavior of the Dashniki.
            In general, in the Caucasus the Reds very quickly put things in order, and even in Georgia where there were some attempts at resistance, but without Western help and frankly pro-Russian behavior of the Turkish troops, everything also ended quickly.
            As I understand it, the population is probably already tired of these "independent" rulers, the sponsors did not help much and they were not going to fight for them with the Reds, and they turned out to be the same warriors.
            And I studied the topic of the civil war. The war in Transcaucasia was not my topic, but some moments remained in my memory ...
  32. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 30 2016 20: 00
    +1
    Russia will become an attractive ally for neighbors,
    when will create a developed modern economy.
    So far, Russia remains a major exporter of natural resources.
    and nothing else to offer neighbors for trade.
    Everything is in the basket of trade of China.

    Russia with obsolete industry and falling GDP, but a strong army causes
    neighbors have only fear.
    1. marshes
      marshes April 30 2016 20: 06
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Russia will become an attractive ally for neighbors,

      It’s simpler until they stop calling names and mocks the indigenous people surrounding the borders.
      The list can be provided by the Russians themselves. laughing
      And you Jews, still something like a curse, will get the most for "nuts". laughing
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 30 2016 23: 13
        +1
        Easier, until they stop calling names and mock "////

        This is a consequence of the economic failures of the Russians. When themselves
        things are going well, and neighbors are either friendly or
        even condescendingly. And when "the crocodile is not caught" begin
        look for the guilty at the borders and beyond.
    2. Olezhek
      Olezhek April 30 2016 21: 17
      +2
      Russia with obsolete industry and falling GDP, but a strong army causes


      This situation is surprising in our modern world ...
      As you described it ... Fantasy ...
    3. Bakht
      Bakht April 30 2016 23: 15
      +4
      I would say otherwise, "Russia will become attractive when Russia has a national government." Considering Kudrin’s appointment today, I don’t see this yet.

      And I would not be so sure about "outdated industry and falling GDP". In any case, this level is very attractive for the post-Soviet states. Well, we can’t handle the production of iPhones and the construction of aircraft carriers. We should get to the level of the Russian Federation ...
    4. fif21
      fif21 April 30 2016 23: 20
      +1
      [quote = voyaka uh] As long as Russia remains a major exporter of natural resources and cannot offer anything else for trade to its neighbors. China's shopping basket has everything. [/ Quote] And neighbors for development of its economy raw materials are no longer needed? laughing A market is not needed? And where will they put their unemployed - to China? laughing To buy something, you need to earn something laughing They say "Greece also has everything" laughing


      Russia with obsolete industry and falling GDP, but a strong army causes
      neighbors have only fear. [/ quote] The Russian nuclear umbrella and a strong army ensure the independence and sovereignty of good neighbors, and let the Russophobes urinate for themselves, their problems. Visit Russia! Unprofitable, obsolete production closed in 90 years laughing
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    6. sergejb
      sergejb 1 May 2016 00: 29
      +1
      It’s a little strange to hear this from a person living in a country in which both a developed economy and modern industry, but which, apart from hatred from its neighbors, cause nothing. However, fear, too ... But only while there is support for Uncle Sam.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 1 May 2016 02: 03
        0
        You probably did not understand my post. Or I spoke vaguely.
        Our neighbors envy us, which often coexists with hatred.
        But here the hatred of our neighbors has disappeared. Just because Israel has become
        developed and relatively rich country.
        The same thing will happen with Russia when it becomes rich.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 1 May 2016 09: 13
          +5
          Idealism ... Do you think only the poor hate the rich? The rich hate the poor fiercely. And the hatred has not disappeared anywhere. I had a lot of contacts with my Jewish friends in Israel. The most innocent wish is "let them all rest."
        2. sergejb
          sergejb 1 May 2016 23: 04
          +3
          I understand you perfectly, do not distort, please.
          Envy? ... It is possible! Does any of your neighbors still have such support (including financial) from overseas? The question, of course, is rhetorical. And although I have great respect for the Israelis for how they learned to defend themselves, and how they respect and honor their army, but I am absolutely sure that without this very support your country would not have reached such economic and military heights.
          And now, returning to my comment, please tell me - who can Russia rely on? Someone will help her the way the "world hegemon" helps you? The question is again rhetorical.
          But the difference between Israel and Russia is very simple - Russia will be able to achieve everything itself, but Israel? ... I doubt it very much.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 2 May 2016 10: 17
            +1
            "- Who can Russia count on?" ////

            Russia is a European country, and Russians are one of
            European peoples. Statistics say that Russians,
            those who left Russia are extremely successfully absorbed
            in Europe, America, Canada. It’s not that everyone needs to leave,
            and to the fact that the Russians are the European people of the Western mentality.

            In my opinion, one should not look for any "special ways"
            (this also applies to Israel) and follow the "mainstream" of humanity.
            Do not oppose yourself to the "golden billion", but pour in
            into it. What Israel has successfully done in a short time, using
            close integration with the Western world, including the United States.
            Nobody can develop independently in the world now:
            neither the USA, nor China, nor, especially, Russia.
            Self-isolation means rapid and inevitable degradation.
            Self-isolation is beneficial to the rulers, and the people are clearly impoverished.
            1. sergejb
              sergejb 2 May 2016 11: 39
              +2
              You distort again.
              Russia is not a European country, but rather a Eurasian one. Believe the person who lives in this very Europe and sees the difference in mentality quite clearly. And to be honest, I am terrified by the thought that Russia will try to join the so-called "golden billion". It's not for me to decide, but I think that Russia has its own way. And this path is very different from WHAT Europe has chosen for itself.
              At the same time, I am by no means talking about self-isolation. Reasonable cooperation is essential, especially in the field of economics. But even here one should not be guided only by the "golden billion". And the geographical and mental position of Russia gives it the opportunity to trade with many countries and continents.
              But the question was about another ... You said that Russia will be loved only when it becomes prosperous economic, and I strongly disagree with this. Economically strong Russia will be more likely to fear, not love. And now the most important thing is that Russia has never (with rare exceptions) been loved. Does she need it now? ... Does the bear need the jackals to love it? It is enough that they would be afraid and not climb into its territory.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 2 May 2016 12: 24
                -2
                "You said that Russia will be loved only then ..." ///

                I checked my posts.
                I never used the word "love" smile .
                How rich European countries are normal / neutral
                relate to each other, will also relate
                and to Russia when it becomes ordinary prosperous
                European country.
                Despite the fact that half of Russia is located geographically
                in Asia, I just can't agree that she is Eurasian
                (in other words, an Asian country). Australia entirely in Asia,
                but she is a 100% western country.
                But if you have your own opinion on these things - please, personal freedom of choice.
                1. Talgat 148
                  Talgat 148 2 May 2016 14: 43
                  +1
                  Dear! Australia entirely in Australia! You need to know the geography !!! She does not belong to Asia in any way !!!
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 2 May 2016 15: 51
                    0
                    "You need to know the geography !!!"

                    I am not alone in my ignorance smile .
                    The Australian Prime Minister also does not know geography:
                    "We proudly call ourselves a part of the Asian hemisphere" -
                    from a recent interview.

                    Note to you. Australians themselves consider themselves - "Australia and Oceania" - not a separate region, but a part of Southeast Asia.
                    1. Talgat 148
                      Talgat 148 2 May 2016 20: 27
                      +1
                      Who knows who they think they are! In this case, we Kazakhs consider ourselves Europeans! We play in UEFA!
                      Just kidding! The essence of course does not change! They are part of the western world! ))))
              2. sherp2015
                sherp2015 3 May 2016 08: 50
                0
                Quote: sergejb
                You distort again.
                Russia is not a European country, but rather a Eurasian one. Believe the person who lives in this very Europe and sees the difference in mentality quite clearly. And to be honest, I am terrified by the thought that Russia will try to join the so-called "golden billion". It's not for me to decide, but I think that Russia has its own way. And this path is very different from WHAT Europe has chosen for itself.
                At the same time, I am by no means talking about self-isolation. Reasonable cooperation is essential, especially in the field of economics. But even here one should not be guided only by the "golden billion". And the geographical and mental position of Russia gives it the opportunity to trade with many countries and continents.
                But the question was about another ... You said that Russia will be loved only when it becomes prosperous economic, and I strongly disagree with this. Economically strong Russia will be more likely to fear, not love. And now the most important thing is that Russia has never (with rare exceptions) been loved. Does she need it now? ... Does the bear need the jackals to love it? It is enough that they would be afraid and not climb into its territory.


                !!! Thousand five hundred %% ++++
        3. sherp2015
          sherp2015 3 May 2016 08: 48
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The same thing will happen with Russia when it becomes rich.


          With such a government as it is now, Russia is unlikely to become rich in the foreseeable future. In any case, ordinary people.
          I don’t take oligarchs, capitalists, businessmen, deputies and law enforcement agencies into account. They don’t live in poverty
    7. sherp2015
      sherp2015 3 May 2016 08: 44
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Russia with obsolete industry and falling GDP, but a strong army causes
      neighbors have only fear.

      Let them fear
  33. nnz226
    nnz226 April 30 2016 20: 22
    +1
    On the question of allies in the CSTO? As the cat Matroskin said: "What is the use of them ?!" How can Kyrgyzstan or Armenia help Russia in the event of an attack on it? Yes, nothing! Quietly pretend to be rags, and try not to shine. Belarusians can help, especially if a threat comes from the west, they will climb through them. And so - according to the saying: "Deliver me, God, from such friends, and I will get rid of enemies myself!"
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 April 30 2016 20: 54
      -3
      Quote: nnz226
      On the question of allies in the CSTO? As the cat Matroskin said: "What is the use of them ?!" How can Kyrgyzstan or Armenia help Russia in the event of an attack on it? Yes, nothing! Quietly pretend to be rags, and try not to shine. Belarusians can help, especially if a threat comes from the west, they will climb through them. And so - according to the saying: "Deliver me, God, from such friends, and I'll get rid of the taps myself!"

      Ukrainian, do not judge others by yourself am
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    3. fif21
      fif21 April 30 2016 23: 30
      +2
      Quote: nnz226
      Belarusians can help, especially if a threat comes from the west, they will climb through them

      Through the Baltic States and Ukraine, the US will chase the EU to Russia request Themselves from the Far East will begin. Here and the fairy tale about life on earth ends crying Damn the tragedy happened. And Russia's allies can count on it.
    4. Milovanovic
      Milovanovic 6 August 2016 14: 59
      0
      Kazakhstan integrated its air defense into Russia and took over the southern, now Afghan, direction. But for operations outside the country there is only one brigade and it is very specific - peacekeeping. There will be a UN mandate, where the Russian Federation is a permanent member of the Security Council, and there will be participation.
  34. Amateur
    Amateur April 30 2016 20: 39
    +6
    The respected author would like to ask the question: “What brought many of our“ brothers ”into the bosom of the Russian Empire, often voluntarily. The answer is obvious under the tutelage of the“ elder brother ”, the security of these state formations was guaranteed. During the existence of the empire and the Soviet Union, local national elites completely unaccustomed to external threats, and after the collapse of the Soviet Union, grandfather Yeltsin made them understand that, they say, take away your sovereignty, we have no time for fraternal relations. Everything is clear with the Baltic states, with their pro-Western aspirations. , the union granary and will not disappear without Moscow. But the rest of the brothers were in a very difficult situation. In addition, with the dismantling of, in fact, the international security system, the external threats of our former and current allies have become aggravated. In the southern regions of the former Union, the threat of terrorism has emerged in the person of DAISH. With the help of Turkish and Western political strategists to strengthen and support Azerbaijan, there are serious threats to both Armenia and Georgia. Ukraine and Moldova will also be attractive to their neighbors, who, taking advantage of the difficulties and weaknesses, will gladly take these territories apart. And hence the second question to the author: does he really think that being in such current (and future conditions), the Nazis will not again strive for integration in order to protect their kingdoms-states from disappearing from the political map of the world? Moreover, their peoples remember how they lived under the "yoke" of Russia in Soviet times. It is already clear that the Central Asian republics are hugging Moscow. And in other former republics of the Union, priorities are being reassessed under pressure from realities.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht April 30 2016 23: 22
      +5
      I would like to ask a question - will modern Russia be able to ensure the security of all of the above? The situation is not conducive to the dispersion of resources, it seems to me. The USSR Armed Forces numbered, it seems, 5 million people. Now a little over 1 million. Is it possible to call a couple more million? After all, the national republics are unlikely to want to serve in the RF Armed Forces. If we mean the restoration of the USSR, then, as V. Putin said, "these people have no heads."
  35. Bakht
    Bakht April 30 2016 23: 50
    0
    Opinion of the President of the Russian Federation

  36. Bakht
    Bakht April 30 2016 23: 55
    +2
    Another opinion of an official of the Russian Federation on the independence of the republics of the USSR. Who was the initiator of the collapse of a single state. Does the author of the article have a different opinion? Independence from Russia was proclaimed by Russia itself. We didn’t want this. Why break the spears now?

  37. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 1 May 2016 00: 43
    0
    Quote from the article
    as well as the disputed territory (Crimea)
    Yes, there was a candy hiding among the candy wrappers. If we do not notice this, then it remains to recall the banal song from the cartoon - "Where are we going with Piglet."
  38. dvg1959
    dvg1959 1 May 2016 18: 18
    +2
    Ukraine is a good example for the former union republics.
    Before you spoil relations with Russia, you need to think under whose protection they will fall and what awaits them after that.
    Really, some people have not yet understood that Russia is a guarantee of their inviolability, independence, freedom and peaceful coexistence.
  39. Geser
    Geser 2 May 2016 23: 43
    0
    It is clear that the collapse of the USSR and all subsequent euphoria quickly turned into a severe hangover for the former Soviet republics. They quickly lost their independence, it became purely nominal - in fact, the West or Russia command the elites in the former republics. It is also worth considering the influence of China on the republics of Central Asia. One thing can be said - there is no solid state power in all the former Soviet republics - corruption, clannishness and undercover squabble for power are everywhere. When all current presidents leave, chaos will begin, an open war for power. This is especially true for the republics of Transcaucasia and Central Asia. And Russia will have to use all its capabilities, including the military, to restore stability and order throughout the post-Soviet space.
  40. Idiot
    Idiot 6 May 2016 15: 40
    0
    And why does Khramchikhin consider Crimea a disputed territory, who disputes it? And whose armed forces are deployed in the territory of the Republic of Crimea, a subject of the Russian Federation? I was the only one who paid attention to this statement of Khramchikhin? And whose is he - this Khramchikhin?
  41. Milovanovic
    Milovanovic 6 August 2016 14: 51
    +1
    As a fact: Kazakhstan itself did not leave the USSR, did not seek to withdraw, only to revise the union agreement. This already in the 90th post-factum arose the feeling of the advantage of living not in a great power - without great stupid things. So suddenly gained independence, own currency - at least something! - Learned to appreciate. Also a fact: the CIS is what Nazarbayev managed to save from the USSR. The Eurasian Union is a Kazakhstan project, the first version is back in 1994. But! And I want, and pricks. It would not be worse, and not just one elite. But it is worth looking at the map again: in the north Russia has been complementary for many centuries, blood and cultural kinship, in the south is another great power, much more alien to the mentally, dangerous, especially for Kazakhs - historical memory. You see, balancing between two elephants, maintaining balance - independence can be for some time, but not all ...