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Australia has chosen the French submarines

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Australian Defense Ministry announced the French tender consortium DCNS and Thales the winner of the tender for the supply of 12-ti non-nuclear submarines, the blog bmpd with reference to the Australian office of DCNS.


The project of a large non-nuclear submarine Shortfin Barracuda Block 1A of the French consortium of companies DCNS and Thales, which won the tender

Under the terms of the contract being prepared for signing, all 12 boats must be built in Australia at the ASC plant, which will create additional 2,8 thousand jobs.

“The DCNS and Thales consortium proposed in the tender a draft of a large submarine Shortfin Barracuda Block 1A, which is a non-nuclear version of the new-generation Barracuda atomic multipurpose submarines currently under construction for the French Navy. The boat of the Shortfin Barracuda Block 1A project should have a 94 meter length and a full underwater displacement of about 4700 tons. In the spirit of the latest trends, the boat does not plan to equip an air-independent power plant, but should use a new generation of lithium-ion batteries to increase the range of the underwater course large capacity, marking a return to the diesel-electric circuit, "- said in a statement.

The total cost of the project "taking into account the cost of the life cycle of 12 submarines" is estimated at $ 36,6 billion.

In addition to the French, the final stage of the competition was the German company ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems and the Japanese consortium Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and Kawasaki Shipbuilding Corporation with the Sory-type submarine project.

For a long time, the Japanese were in the lead in the competition (they even talked about concluding a contract with them out of competition), but by the beginning of this year, the Australians had cooled towards the Japanese project.

The Japanese are offended and are waiting for explanations from Australia.

“It’s a pity they didn’t choose,” said Japanese Defense Minister Nakatani. “We will demand explanations from Australia.”

However, according to him, “there is no change in the fact that Australia is a special partner of Japan”. The military department "will make every effort to strengthen defense cooperation (with this country)," he added.

Last summer, during a visit to Australia, Nakatani said that if the choice was made in favor of Japanese submarines, it would be possible to "build a model of strategic cooperation between Australia, the United States and Japan."

The Pentagon also advised the Australian military to choose Japanese companies, but, apparently, they decided on their own.
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  1. Gerfalcon
    Gerfalcon April 26 2016 13: 21
    -4
    Compensated arrogant Saxon frogmen losses for the Mistral, but so far on paper, you need to look at how it ends.
    1. Stalker.1977
      Stalker.1977 April 26 2016 13: 26
      0
      Something there is no trust in the French, well, not a penny, although what are they going to build Australia in general violet ....
    2. Michael67
      Michael67 April 26 2016 13: 31
      -2
      Let everyone cross over there and build whatever the fuck with a gun.
      More disagreement is worse than a project.
      1. jjj
        jjj April 26 2016 13: 42
        +4
        Somehow they hurried. It turns out a new project. According to him, there are also no statistics and operating experience. And here they want twelve boats. And the boats are big. Now we are considering the required infrastructure, the need for constant training of crews. Australia gets involved in something dark
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock April 26 2016 14: 05
          0
          But Britain could podsuetsitsya and vparivat atomic Astyudes to their dominion, and make good money on the order.
        2. Teberii
          Teberii April 26 2016 14: 05
          +1
          The French were flown by the British, but there are so many boats, and even prepare the crew.
          1. Talgat
            Talgat April 26 2016 17: 38
            +2
            Australia is a strike force and an outpost of Anglo-Saxons and the West in general (read NATO) in the Pacific Ocean

            In all the US and NATO aggressions, Autsralia has been very active since Vietnam and ending with the latest acts of aggression.


            Therefore, it doesn’t matter who bought the boats from - these are completely irrelevant details

            The main thing that they will always buy from themselves - from the French whether from the Germans or the Japanese

            And they will always be against Russia and China
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 26 2016 13: 22
    +2
    "Under the terms of an upcoming contract, all 12 boats must be built in Australia at ASC."

    By the way, to the question that many are indignant at us: why do we conclude contracts for the assembly of our weapons abroad?
  3. :SCYTHIAN:
    :SCYTHIAN: April 26 2016 13: 28
    +1
    Hello Mistral and Medvedev !!!! I want to spit already !!!! 2.8 thousand jobs !!!!!!!!
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 26 2016 13: 32
    0
    The Japanese are offended and are waiting for explanations from Australia.

    Let the Ipenians demand from kenguryatnikov, half of Australia! laughing
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 April 26 2016 14: 06
      0
      Well, yes, just it will be possible to resettle a couple of areas of Tokyo. fellow
  5. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn April 26 2016 13: 32
    -1
    And who is Australia going to fight with? Again with Japan? So it was necessary to order boats from the Japanese - they are in every way better than the French!
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 26 2016 13: 42
      +2
      Quote: KudrevKN
      And who is Australia going to fight with? Again with Japan? So it was necessary to order boats from the Japanese - they are in every way better than the French!

      Australia Chinese intervention is scared like fire.
    2. jjj
      jjj April 26 2016 13: 43
      +1
      Of the Western non-nuclear, German is better.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock April 26 2016 13: 55
        +1
        Quote: jjj
        Of the Western non-nuclear, German is better.

        Well, the new type 216 is not yet ready for the project, shooting range 212 in Australia is not suitable, autonomy is too small (30 days) and only 12 weapons are weakly armed.
        As for Type 214, autonomy is there for more than 80 days, but armaments are also only 12 units.
  6. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. April 26 2016 13: 34
    +3
    Here is a turn) The Japanese with their "Soryu" considered the tender won, moreover, in 2014, before the announcement of the tender, Japan and Australia entered into an agreement on joint development regarding the submarine.
    Maybe the Australians decided not to anger China by giving the project to the French?
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 26 2016 13: 47
      +1
      Quote: Pinky F.
      Here is a twist) The Japanese with their "Soryu" considered the tender won,

      By the way, about Soryu, this is the most armed non-nuclear submarine, like 30 weapons are placed on it, by the way in German, Swedish, French about 12-18 units.
      As for the range and speed on fuel cells, there is practically no data on Sorya in the network.
      1. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. April 26 2016 21: 07
        +1
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        As for the range and speed on fuel cells, there is practically no data on Sorya in the network.

        In Japan in 2009, the system entered into the parent diesel-electric submarine of the Soryu type.
        The boat has a displacement of 4200 tons, length 84 m, width 9,1 m, cruising speed up to 20 knots, cruising range 6100 miles at 6,5 knots.
        The power plant consists of 2 Kawasaki 12V 25/25 SB diesel generators, as well as 4 Kawasaki Kockums V4-275R Stirling engines.
        The armament of the boat includes 6 mm SLTs for Type 533 torpedoes and Harpoon cruise missiles.

        I did not find accurate data on the speed and range of navigation under the Stirlings.
        Tentatively: the underwater speed is about 8 knots, the total duration of the trip under the Stirling during a full trip is about 2 weeks.
    2. Leto
      Leto April 26 2016 14: 21
      0
      Quote: Pinky F.
      Maybe the Australians decided not to anger China by giving the project to the French?

      Type China doesn’t care about the presence of NAPL themselves in the rival in the Asia-Pacific region, but is it a country of origin? Sounds a little silly.
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 26 2016 20: 30
      +1
      I think you are right. The Chinese regard the Japanese program as
      a threat to yourself. And here Australia will have boats with the same
      acoustic "handwriting", like in Japan. There is a risk of being attacked
      the Chinese by mistake.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 27 2016 00: 37
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        And here Australia will have boats with the same
        acoustic "handwriting", like in Japan

        It seems to me everything is much simpler: they are going to transfer their "Aim Sori" japans to LIAB. The operating cost will be reduced (according to various sources) by 20-30%. And here the paddling pools are already offering their latest development "on batteries"! Therefore, the Australopithecines decided not to repeat the ass, but to step over the VNEU on the basis of stirling.
  7. pts-m
    pts-m April 26 2016 13: 35
    -3
    Interesting. Who in the southern hemisphere was going to attack Australia? Not that the threat comes from the "north". And to hell with them submarines.
    1. Professor
      Professor April 26 2016 13: 40
      +5
      Quote: PTS-m
      Interesting. Who in the southern hemisphere was going to attack Australia? Not that the threat comes from the "north". And to hell with them submarines.

      Indonesia, China ...
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock April 26 2016 13: 51
        0
        Quote: Professor
        Indonesia,

        Well, China can still be understood, the country spends more than 200 billion dollars a year on the defense industry, builds destroyers and submarines in more and more numbers.
        And what about Indonesia?
        1. Professor
          Professor April 26 2016 13: 55
          +6
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          And what about Indonesia?

          250 million people, 90% Muslims ...
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock April 26 2016 14: 02
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            250 million people, 90% Muslims ...

            Well, militarily, Indonesia is not as developed as China to be dangerous. What 250 million swim swim to the mainland and begin to attack Australia?
          2. Seaman77
            Seaman77 April 26 2016 14: 58
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            And what about Indonesia?

            250 million people, 90% Muslims ...


            Then why not Egypt, for example. There are also more than 90% of the Muslim population. And they bought Mistral ...


            And to China, that to Australia, that to Israel is approximately the same. They would solve their problems. Japan, Vietnam, Philippines ... etc.
            1. Professor
              Professor April 26 2016 17: 16
              +1
              Quote: Seaman77
              Then why not Egypt, for example. There are also more than 90% of the Muslim population. And they bought Mistral ...

              no common points of attraction.

              Quote: Seaman77
              And to China, that to Australia, that to Israel is approximately the same.

              Yah? 2353 nautical miles vs. 6836 http://www.sea-distances.org/

              Quote: Seaman77
              They would solve their problems. Japan, Vietnam, Philippines ... etc.

              China is trying to dominate all of Southeast Asia.

              Quote: Seaman77
              Professor, are you serious ???

              No, scare penguins or New Zealand. It’s just that Australia’s uncle works as a watchman in a money factory, so they don’t know where to put the money.
              1. Seaman77
                Seaman77 April 26 2016 17: 49
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                no common points of attraction


                okay. then why not Malaysia?

                Quote: Professor
                Yah? 2353 nautical miles vs. 6836 http://www.sea-distances.org/

                that's it. there is such a number "doh ....... me."

                Quote: Professor
                China is trying to dominate all of Southeast Asia.


                China is trying to dominate the world. But he has enough "local" unsolved problems. as I wrote Vietnam, India, the Philippines, Japan, both Koreas and so on.
                I know this topic not by hearsay, I work in this area. Three days ago they left Hong Kong, if you do not believe me, I can attach port clearance. :)))


                Quote: Professor
                No, scare penguins or New Zealand. It’s just that Australia’s uncle works as a watchman in a money factory, so they don’t know where to put the money.

                :)))))
                1. Professor
                  Professor April 26 2016 18: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Seaman77
                  okay. then why not Malaysia?

                  I give up and will gladly listen to a lecture why Australia has such an expensive fleet. Since the publication of "my" article on the Australian submarine fleet, I have not been interested in events in this region. wink

                  Quote: Seaman77
                  that's it. there is such a number "doh ....... me."

                  And I thought that China, that before Australia, that about Israel is about the same. sad

                  Quote: Seaman77
                  I know this topic not by hearsay, I work in this area. Three days ago they left Hong Kong, if you do not believe me, I can attach port clearance. :)))

                  Why not believe me? We have a factory near Shanghai. I am there periodically.
                  1. Seaman77
                    Seaman77 April 26 2016 18: 36
                    +3
                    Quote: Professor
                    I give up and will gladly listen to a lecture why Australia has such an expensive fleet. Since the publication of "my" article on the Australian submarine fleet, I have not been interested in events in this region.


                    "Chukchi is not a writer, Chukchi is a reader" :)))
                    give a link, pls, I’ll read it with pleasure, otherwise I’m searching for some kind of “curve” and satellite Internet is stupidly godless ....
                    if without jokes, in my opinion, strengthening Australia is not a confrontation against a state, but an “allied duty” to the United States.

                    Quote: Professor
                    Why not believe me? We have a factory near Shanghai. I am there periodically.


                    I’ll be in Shanghai in early June. Come, I will be glad to see. We’ll have a drink. Although it is not very there, and the Nanjing road was also not impressed. It's dirty
                    1. Professor
                      Professor April 26 2016 19: 53
                      +1
                      Quote: Seaman77
                      if without jokes, in my opinion, strengthening Australia is not a confrontation against a state, but an “allied duty” to the United States.

                      You are mistaken. Australia is known to be an island and is 100% dependent on shipping. So he takes care of his future in view of neighbors such as China and Indonesia.

                      Quote: Seaman77
                      I’ll be in Shanghai in early June. Come, I will be glad to see. We’ll have a drink. Although it is not very there, and the Nanjing road was also not impressed. It's dirty

                      Beer? There are real German breweries there.

                      PS
                      http://topwar.ru/7833-problemy-podvodnogo-flota-avstralii.html
                      1. Seaman77
                        Seaman77 April 26 2016 20: 27
                        +2
                        Quote: Professor
                        Australia is known to be an island and is 100% dependent on shipping.

                        90% are right. because Australia is still the mainland and has many resources on its territory. although it is surrounded by water on all sides, then there must be a strong fleet. something like GB. but for some reason, the strengthening of the fleet happened only now ... request

                        Quote: Professor
                        Beer? There are real German breweries there.


                        except for tsintao and harbin nothing came across ... maybe not looking there ...

                        Quote: Professor
                        http://topwar.ru/7833-problemy-podvodnogo-flota-avstralii.html


                        thanks a lot
      2. Amurets
        Amurets April 26 2016 14: 08
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Indonesia, China ...

        Professor, you forgot the aggressive King Penguins. And if it's no joke, then despite the international status and treaties on Antarctica, treaties are being questioned by the countries adjacent to Antarctica. These countries are trying to divide it. This is where Australia needs its submarine fleet. represent a non-nuclear project of the nuclear submarine "Barracuda", and these are large boats. I did not find the details of the project. The French refused from this type, since they decided to build only nuclear submarines. References to the status and treaties of Antarctica.
        http://topwar.ru/11324-bitva-za-antarktidu.html
        http://www.conspirology.org/2009/10/sxvatka-za-antarktidu-chast-1.htm
      3. Seaman77
        Seaman77 April 26 2016 14: 45
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Indonesia, China ...


        Professor, are you serious ??? belay
        With all due respect to you, Oleg, did not expect this ....
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 26 2016 13: 45
      0
      Quote: PTS-m
      Interesting. Who in the southern hemisphere was going to attack Australia? Not that the threat comes from the "north". And to hell with them submarines.

      They will fight back from the Chinese. They already ordered 12 EW Groler airplanes (by the way, Australia will be the first country where these airplanes will be delivered, before this the United States did not sell EW airplanes to anyone), they also plan to purchase 100 F-35s, and 8 anti-submarine R-8 Poseidon aircraft.
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 April 26 2016 14: 15
      +3
      Well, why the hell did Camber and Adelaide? Each of which is 1,5 times larger than Mistral?


      What the heck is Burke-like Hobart in the number of 3 destroyers?


      They also want 9 super-frigates to replace Anzak, are considering FREMM, MEKO 400 and the British project. This year they launch a tender, in 2018 they will choose and start building.

      Although, it would seem, they built the ocean ADKR ADCs and that's enough, which smugglers / poachers / refugees to drive ...
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock April 26 2016 14: 23
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        What the heck is Burke-like Hobart in the number of 3 destroyers?

        What did not buy the finished project of the Type-45 frigate from England? As I understand it, they designed the destroyer for themselves? Which is clearly more expensive than buying a finished project.
        The armament of the Type-45 Hobart is almost equal.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 April 26 2016 14: 39
          +3
          They focus on weapons stuffing from the USA and Aegis, why European Asters and radars?

          They took the circumcised Burke from Spain as a basis, but eventually dispersed for money to an adult burke, but with one UVP (48 missiles), but with full basic compatibility of the latest 6 Standard and Ax.
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock April 27 2016 14: 37
            0
            Quote: donavi49
            They took the circumcised Burke from Spain as a basis, but eventually dispersed for money to an adult burke, but with one UVP (48 missiles), but with full basic compatibility of the latest 6 Standard and Ax.

            If at the price the same thing ultimately happened, it would make sense to build the original Arly Burke, for the same money a lot of firepower would have turned out.
  8. Simon
    Simon April 26 2016 13: 40
    0
    Well, they squabble for the market! The Japanese also set Australian conditions - Hochma and only laughing Australia is the best, from whom to take, from whom not to take. It is a pity that ours do not participate in the competition. May secrecy high recourse
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 26 2016 14: 04
      +1
      Quote: Simon
      It is a pity that ours do not participate in the competition. May secrecy high

      what secrecy is there. The tender was initially open, but then it was quickly closed, leaving only the companies involved.
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock April 26 2016 14: 13
      +1
      Quote: Simon
      . It is a pity that ours do not participate in the competition. May secrecy high

      They want something newer, they do not need Varshavyanka, and the export modifications of the Lada, the Amur project, will probably have to wait a long time. Yes, and we do not have experience in setting up production of submarines abroad, only missile boats in Vietnam come to mind, but they are much easier to build than submarines.
      Well, of course politics, Australia has always been with the west, and Russia is enemy No. 1 for the west, and no one will buy weapons from the enemy.
    3. Leto
      Leto April 26 2016 14: 23
      0
      Quote: Simon
      The Japanese also set Australian conditions - Hochma and only

      So they have the right. Encouraged, the Japanese invested money, and then a bummer.
  9. aviator1913
    aviator1913 April 26 2016 13: 45
    +1
    What are the characteristics of the new submarines? For some reason, there is nothing in the article about this.

    The French have a good school of shipbuilding, especially large nuclear submarines, in contrast to the German, which in their class of "smaller" submarines are probably the best in the world.

    However, all the same, an interesting choice is towards France, when so much time has been working together with the Japanese.
    1. Oleg7700
      Oleg7700 April 26 2016 19: 07
      +3
      The Australians considered that 5100 tons, which had already been worked out, had been somewhat reduced by transfer to the "conventional". French nuclear "Barracuda", that's what they need. Perhaps they are looking into the nuclear future from the acquired experience. By the way, the Chinese, who account for 35% of the growing Australian exports there, were categorically against the transfer of the contract to "Japanese friends", citing the same acoustic signature of the future Austr. submarines, with "enemy" Soryu ", which is fraught with incidents. It is still unclear that the Americans are always suspicious of equipping their weapons and related systems, namely the French ...
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 26 2016 13: 45
    -2
    Look Australians, these paddlers can throw, isn’t anyone building ships closer?
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. April 26 2016 14: 01
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      Isn’t anyone building ships closer?

      but what does "closer" have to do with it?
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 April 26 2016 14: 07
      +2
      Australia, in the foreseeable future, is not going to change course - the most reliable partner of the United States in this part of the world. Therefore, the probability of a 0.00001% throw and if it happens, reliable partners from the USA will squeeze everything from France, to the last cent of the penalty.

      Plus, the boats themselves will be physically built in Australia. Although, this actually means little (the main thing is not iron, but komplektuha, which is French).
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. April 26 2016 14: 19
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        the probability of a throw is 0.00001% and if it happens, reliable partners from the USA will squeeze everything from France, to the last cent of the penalty.

        Quote: donavi49
        Plus, the boats themselves will be physically built in Australia.

        absolutely true.
  11. Kent0001
    Kent0001 April 26 2016 14: 03
    +1
    I remembered the movie "Taxi 2" and the question of the protagonist at the presentation of the miracle of the car: "... why did you decide to show the Peugeot to the Japanese?" laughing
  12. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ April 26 2016 14: 12
    +2
    Under the terms of the contract being prepared for signing, all 12 boats must be built in Australia at the ASC plant, which will create additional 2,8 thousand jobs.
    So will it be French or Australian boats?
    “It’s a pity they didn’t choose,” said Japanese Defense Minister Nakatani. “We will demand explanations from Australia.”
    And the Japanese were "thrown" in vain, they still "hiccup". If only they would offer something in return.
    The Pentagon also advised the Australian military to choose Japanese companies, but, apparently, they decided on their own.
    But this disobedience to the voice from the Pentagon is completely incomprehensible to me.
  13. sub307
    sub307 April 26 2016 14: 52
    +3
    In the atomic version for France:
    "Main characteristics: - speed - 23 knots; - working depth - up to 400 meters; - running autonomy - 50 days; - crew - 60 people; - displacement - 5.3 thousand tons; - length - 99 meters; - width - 8.8 meters ; - height - 15.7 meters; - draft 7.3 meters; - warranty life - 10 years; - power plant: 1 nuclear reactor with a capacity of 150 MW, two turbo reducers with a capacity of 20 MW, 2 electric motors and one water jet propulsion unit; - 4 TA caliber 533 mm with armament of 20. Ammunition in various combinations - torpedoes "Black Shark", CD "Scalp" and anti-ship missiles "Exocet".
    What will happen in the non-atomic version with a slightly lower displacement (as stated - about 4700 tons, which is quite a lot for NAPL), what should be the main propeller electric motor and diesel generators? We will see....
    Militarily, the French pledged to the cause: "DCNS Australia is a subsidiary of a French industrial group, which is a leading representative of the naval industry in Europe. The Australian chapter was created in April 2015 and was a kind of gift for the almost 100th anniversary of cooperation between France and Australia . "
  14. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN April 26 2016 16: 07
    0
    Australia chose French submarines.
    Why not the Ukrainians ?! they now have the military-industrial complex "working" in three shifts and could assemble a submarine from polystyrene during the night.
  15. Stas157
    Stas157 April 26 2016 21: 41
    +2
    . The boat of the Shortfin Barracuda Block 1A project should have a length of 94 meters and a total underwater displacement of about 4700 tons. At the same time, in the spirit of the latest trends, the boat is not planned to be equipped with an air-independent power plant, but should use a new generation of lithium-ion batteries to increase the range of the underwater course high capacity, marking a return to the diesel-electric circuit "
    The most interesting point is that the NAPL will be built without VNEU at the same time the boat will have unprecedented autonomy and range. Apparently the era of boats with VNEU is coming to an end, not really starting!
  16. Vetal999
    Vetal999 April 27 2016 15: 19
    0
    No wonder. Australia is a member of NATO and will not buy from Russia. The French are the cheapest manufacturers ....