About the best country in the world, entertaining mechanics and pollock tail

Yes, at least 95% of the population of our planet are domestic idiots.

I agree, this is not the most successful first phrase for an article, but the fact remains that it has to be considered.
And therefore, before accusing me of terry snobbery, even if it is reasonable, look around. If you are not a Mongolian shepherd or lighthouse keeper in the Norwegian fjords, but you are in a megapolis in a relatively crowded place, then looking out of the window, you can easily count such five to seven people as obvious idiots and as many as hidden.

In the morning the young lady barely waddles in strip heels with two packages of products from Auchan, the old woman cheerfully rysachit at the red light, making the drivers gray, the part of the office plankton crawled in dermantine shoes to smoke cheap cigarettes, sticking a new sixth iPhone, and the brightly smoky cheap cigarettes, sticking into the new sixth iPhone, the brightly smoky cigarettes, cheap cigarettes, sticking into the new sixth iPhone, the brightly smoky cigarettes, cheap cigarettes, sticking into the new sixth iPhone, the brightly smoky cigarettes, cheap cigarettes, sticking to the new sixth iphone, won the brightly smoky cheap cigarettes, sticking into the new sixth iphone, won the brightly smoky cheap cigarettes, sticking to the new sixth iphone, won the brightly smoky cheap cigarettes, sticking to the new sixth iphone, won the brightly smoky cigarette a leopard top is parked on a rhinestone in three places, a mom treats a three-year-old child with chips and cola, and next to the playground, teens drink beer and listen to rapper Syavu, uncle with traces of iodine mesh on her face, tingling zirconium pulling bracelets, dragging Chizhevsky's chandelier, eating shawarma with mayonnaise on the move, and a little further at the subway, her aunt cheerfully snapping up fresh rabbit from the bomzhevaty seller, and a man sneaks off an advertisement about a miraculous device that increases the member by 10 cm at a time, and a woman extended gel nails tear off a piece of paper with the telephones of the hereditary witch Adelaide, who promises a love spell, a cuff, a turn through a double solid and a wreath of celibacy ...

And somewhere around the corner people are in a hurry to go home, so as not to be late for “Let's get married”, buy a new bestseller Dontsova, fight for Stas Mikhailov tickets, stand in line to get a foreign currency loan to buy fur coats made from artificial nutria, carries pepsi caps hoping to win a car, buys goods from a Canadian wholesale company at a discount, sends SMS to a short number and sends money to a Nigerian millionaire, who then promises to send a million from the inheritance ... And this is all around us - that same notorious objective reality s, given us in sensation.

And now closer to the topic of the story.

The main task of a normal socially oriented state is to look after idiots.

To protect our citizens from themselves, try to reduce the destructive power of everyday idiocy to a minimum, allowing the human population to reproduce normally, to make sure that even the most stupid dolbodjel can live to a calm old age, not allowing this 95% itself to harm too much in one way or another yourself and others. And his country, including.

In mechanics, there is such a thing: “protection against a fool” is when smart people sit and think for a long time how to ensure that those who get into 95% do not break the device, do not chop off their fingers, do not make a fire or do not crack them all to edren fen, including themselves.

And the better the state, the more humane, more humane and civilized it is, the more “fool-proof protection” is included in it. And vice versa.

And it seems to me that our nostalgia for the USSR is connected, in addition to childhood pleasant memories, primarily due to the fact that the socialist system did not have (and is unlikely to have already) analogues in terms of protecting citizens from themselves, in terms of caring for so that any person, regardless of his origin, environment, intellectual and physical potential, could live his life and self-realize as comfortably and adequately as possible.

After all, in social life “protection from a fool” (or rather, protection of the fool himself) means that even if you are not the smartest, not the most beautiful, not the most talented, not the most enterprising, punchy, then you will still have a roof over head, work, giving a guaranteed piece of bread with sausage, free medicine and education for your children and a pension in old age. And the trolley bus driver, laboratory technician at the scientific research institute, tractor driver, turner, mechanic, livestock breeder, trackman are not losers, “do not fit into the market,” but normal, necessary and socially important professions that allow people to be proud of them.

In addition, most people are slaves. And it is vital for them that someone say what and how they should do, where to go, what to strive for, what to believe in, who to love, whom to fear, where not to go, because they will kill. Otherwise they are lost. Or they make deliberately wrong decisions, falling for the bait of scam artists of all stripes - from criminal to political.

Excessive autonomy in making decisions to the majority only to the detriment. And the phrase "do not listen to anyone, think only with your head" is valid only if there is something to think about. But most people are not as smart as they think.

And if an immature, not too smart and not too strong-willed person is left to himself, if you do not put any clear restrictions and guidelines, but at the same time provide him with the minimum necessary for survival - so that he does not have to fight for life and food - then such a person will definitely start to degrade . And it can irrevocably break their own lives and even their own country.

If you give him a choice between Dom-2 and transmission in astronomy, between Enrique Caruso and Timati, between working as a teacher in a rural school or as a sales manager in a beautiful office, between studying for a microbiologist or a swift career as a reality show star, between family loyalty and the opportunity to have everything that moves, between the ideals of friendship and mutual aid and terry selfishness, between the brotherhood of people or the pride of national identity, between easy money and the social significance of their own lives, between the video about saving whales roller with Kim Kardashian, he chooses Kardashian ass.
Checked, proven.

Output? Do not give such a choice, in which one of the options is degradation.

What, in fact, did in the USSR.

To deprive people of the possibility of a wrong choice is a blessing, and not a restriction of freedom. Unless, of course, you consider the opportunity to pin your testicles to the pavement as the meaning and crown of your life. Then yes, then the USSR is a scoop, a damned totalitarianism, a prison of nations, a strangler of liberties, queues for sausage and "a billion people who were shot personally by Stalin."

All ideology, all politics, all social and cultural spheres were focused on protecting citizens from any tragic life situations and disasters, to make them better, smarter, healthier, morally higher and cleaner.

Are you an idiot nihilist and do not care about your health? Now it is your choice, you are a free person, you can get cured and undergo regular examinations, you can live sick. Under capitalism, nobody cares, the worse your health is - the higher premiums insurance companies will lose from you. And in the USSR they restricted the freedom to choose physical culture, health sections, regular medical examinations, mandatory fluorography, vouchers to a sanatorium, and free medical facilities within walking distance.

You are an idiot workaholic to the detriment of the family - well, the owner of the business in which you work is very happy. But the Labor Code severely limited your right to plow on Uncle 7 / 24, literally forcing you to rest for the allotted time.

Are you an idiot drunk? Now this is purely your problems (well, and your unfortunate relatives), you are a free person, you can drink even to the green hell, wine and vodka magnates will thank you. And in the USSR, oh, horror, they took you to a sobering-up station, and then they pesochili at a party meeting, put it in appearance, deprived them of the thirteenth salary. And sometimes even forcibly treated in LTP, forcing quit addiction.

You are a stupid idiot, an artistic person, looking for yourself, dreaming of becoming a soloist of a rock band, a famous writer, a renowned artist, but for now you play the guitar in the boiler room, begging money from your mother? No, it will not work, if you please go to work in order to have a normal income, a guaranteed retirement in old age and at least some occupation in life if all of a sudden you don’t happen to be the second John Lennon. But after all, an article for parasitism is violence against a creative person, deprivation of the right to homeless, how is it possible ?!

Are you a family of rogue idiots? The songs around the fire, mosquitoes, the forest sun, from the property - a backpack and a guitar, in the past - unsuccessful marriages and seven children for two? It's okay, go ahead, the state will take care of the children - a roof over your head, free food, education, creative and physical development, access to social elevators even in those cases when parents are not able to take responsibility for their own children. And under capitalism, everyone is now sleeping side by side in a tent, and even juvenile justice will look after the children in a new friendly gay family ...

Are you an idiot womanizer and also married? Givi from a flower stand, sellers of sweets and condoms applaud you. At your disposal hotels for rent, dating sites for one night, sex salons, paid venereologic clinics and expensive lawyers for divorces. And in the totalitarian scoop they demanded marital fidelity, they could have completely excluded from the ranks of the CPSU just for the inconsistency with the moral image of the builder of communism. And if for the sake of such an unexpected love a person was ready to go for it, then the feelings were truly real, and not just a primitive amoral.

Are you an idiot dissident? You listen to the Voice of America at night, you dream of giving your country to plunder the enemies for the sake of the opportunity to live beautifully yourself? Do you agree that the strangers rule you, if only you could get a piece from the master's table? You do not respect your homeland and its people, but at the same time you continue to enjoy the benefits that they have created? A country must be able to defend itself, so that because of people like you, millions of people are not thrown into chaos and misery, as in 90. Therefore, perhaps, my dear man, or forest fell for the benefit of the working people, or leave forever in his coveted capitalist paradise. So that because of you, because of your stupidity and corruption, others will not suffer.

You 16, you are a young boy, you want jeans, chewing gum, a poster of the Kiss group, a magazine with bare tits, a Marlboro block, a neighbor Galya, a moped, sleep until dinner and masturbate for the film “Emmanuel”, but you have a circle on aircraft modeling, swimming , three times a week music school, and then another Saturday and the collection of waste paper. And on TV - “The Obvious - The Incredible”, “The Film Travelers Club”, “I Want to Know Everything”, “In the Animal World”, “You Can Do It”, a film about the Great Patriotic War, Haidai’s comedy and the next series “The Adventures of Electronics”. And from the magazines - “Technique of Youth”, “Science and Life” and “Change”.

And unwittingly it was necessary to grow up a cultured, educated, comprehensively developed and decent person. And to become a pilot, doctor, designer, scientist, or at least just a respected miner or turner in the factory. And there was practically no choice to grow up as a transvestite hipster, food stylist, blogger, image consultant, club promoter, conceptual artist, eyebrow designer or dog collar designer ...

And now in every sad merchandiser putting canned corn on the counter in accordance with the planogram there is a polar explorer, an astronaut, a pioneer scientist, an educator, a humanist, or even someone who could teach us to understand the language of dolphins ... Just for capitalism it’s better if they so will remain there.

The idea of ​​the USSR was beautiful, but the performance due to the human factor I mentioned at the beginning of the article was largely disappointing, but even now almost no one came close to that humanistic way of social organization of the human community. And in this regard, the USSR was the most Christian state, regardless of the declared branch of the state and the church.

This was the country that made us all better. She made people, not just consumers of goods of light and food industries. She released and brought up in us the most noble qualities, and not base instincts. Allowed us, due to the very lack of the possibility of a wrong choice, to grow over ourselves and make such breakthroughs, discoveries and feats that now it’s hard to believe that they were us.

In general, the USSR reminded us of a big kindergarten, where we, insensible, were told when to eat, when to sleep, we were watched, so that we would not run without slippers, would be planted and quartz, taught cheerful songs and smart tales, would direct our energy to the right direction, give the opportunity to realize themselves to whom the Bunny, to whom the Snowflake, to whom the Chanterelle, hid sharp objects, punished for bad deeds, praised and encouraged for good ones, formed a clear understanding of Good and Evil, without semitones, without discrepancies, without open finals.

But it suddenly seemed to us that we were adults already, I wanted to go there, behind the fence, to be free to make decisions, not to eat porridge and not listen to a teacher, play with matches, not brush teeth, wear sandals in winter and eat sweets alone.

And once the garden gate was opened ... What awaited us there and how it all ended, we all know.

And in the USSR every Thursday in the catering was a fish day. And now these hake and pollock tails are not just a necessary source of iodine and phosphorus for the body, it is a signal that this country was the only one who didn’t care about people ... "(c)

Comments

[Irokez]

Turn upside down. "And the first will be the last and the last will be the first."
Everywhere there must be common sense and understanding of where you live and what you need to do, and if it does not have this common sense, then everything is the other way around and this is used by knowledgeable people.

[Vend]

In general, the USSR resembled a large kindergarten

Here is the answer to the whole article. It's time to grow up. Russians have already moved from kindergarten to school, although some have remained in the minds of kindergarten age. Now we’re moving from school to university, it’s also a difficult matter, someone else wants to hang out at school, remaining in the second year.

[vovanpain]

Eh such a country was sold for chewing gum, jeans and Coca-Cola, let those ear-jackers who ruined the USSR be damned.

[Tatyana]

Very nice and smart article!
Bourgeois liberalism with the propaganda of unlimited consumption and anarchist freedom and permissiveness is really the path to the degradation of mankind, its enslavement and biological extinction of a huge mass of people and peoples!

To author +

[gray smeet]

Quote from the article:
You are a hard worker to the detriment of your family - excellent, the owner of the business in which you work is very happy. But the Labor Code severely limited your right to plow on Uncle 7/24, literally forcing you to rest on time.

Strictly for the leaders of our country - read the works of Stalin:

[Mahmut]

And in prison now dinner, pasta give.

[Tatyana]

NordUral
I agree, Tatyana, but there will be many people who want to object, even to the VO, because there is no USSR.

This is partly because the West has long waged an information war against Russia. Their receptions inform. wars are tested and well-developed. In addition, not all modern techniques in the information war of the Atlantists against Eurasians, the Russians know.
Do you want, I’ll tell you one secret, how does one method of information warfare among the Atlantists, which they introduced in Russia to replace the worldview of Soviet people and Russians, work? I personally came across this. Moreover, he works against Russia not only in political circles, but also in the scientific community of Russian patriots.
Somehow the theoretical justification of the political program of one Russian political party A. was written. The party members of another political party B asked me to look at this program and tell them what was wrong with it.
Fakes, of course, are literary, and they are still just in the form of a scientifically untenable foolishness, when with a lot of methodological errors you are embroiled in false political attitudes to support some adventurers who seek to enter power.
So that’s the most interesting. It turns out that by criticizing a work full of methodological errors, you can only influence people at the local local level — that is, at best, they will print your review with a detailed correction of the author’s errors for internal use only. But, to publish for wide open access, you will not find support. And you know why? And because in the West, the atlantists formed a system of rating value of copyright works, which depends solely on the number of citations by other authors, regardless of the scientific viability of the work itself. And at the same time, not your refutation of literary and pseudoscientific fakes of the erroneous second work will be appreciated, but how many times in your opposition to the author's “delirium” you have quoted scientifically untenable quotes of the unfortunate author that you had to parse. And the result is the more scientifically insolvent the author’s work, the more methodological mistakes made by the demagogues consciously in her, the more often you are forced to stop and correct each such mistake, proving its sophistry (logical fallacy as an author’s trick to achieve his demagogic goals) the higher the rating of such work for promoting it in the publication, the more circulation it will have - especially if it ultimately works for the atlantists and against Russia.
As a result, in order to prevent the bad work from going on, in the scientific community it is customary to oppose such works simply to hush up - i.e. the opposition does not print or convey to the general public.
How do you like this reception of the Atlanticists (the US and the "collective" West) in their information war against the countries at which their aggression is directed?
Can you imagine what scope for lies, fakes in the open spaces of the information war opens up for demagogues and provocateurs in the open spaces of our country ?! And so all the last 25-30 years!

[uskrabut]

the opposition does not print or convey to the general public.

in other words, ignoring in scientific circles (and I quoted you here rating raised)

[Tatyana]

uskrabut
the opposition does not print or convey to the general public.
in other words, disregard in academia

I mean a little different. The fact is that opposing opposition is different. You need to understand what kind of opposition we are talking about. I mean this.
An opponent can write a review with a formal review of 0,5-1,5 pages, which gives nothing in the author's understanding; or he can write a completely scientifically sound analytical work with a complete - "chewed" - justification of the scientific INSOLUTION of the author's work, with the correction of his methodological errors and with a full calculation of the really correct conclusions from the problem posed by the author - that is, in fact, the opponent is scientifically consistently developing for the author, the problem is anew - and gets completely different conclusions. Such works take a lot of time and, as a rule, there is scientific novelty in them. And such works are very significant for society in terms of shaping the worldview of its citizens and building a social system. For example, the work of F. Engels "Anti-Duhring" belongs to such scientific works when opposing other people's works.
Why did I draw the attention of members of the forum to this technique in the format of the information war of the Atlantists (USA and the "collective West"), which spread to the Russian Federation? Because in the controversy over erroneous theories of dishonest authors-demagogues with this system of artificial selection of works for publication, scientifically wealthy opponents have only 2 choices. This is 1) either by their opposition to create grief to the author with his wrecking works, additional advertising, 2) or to leave him with his free or involuntary supporters - careeristic opportunists to cook in their own juice. Both that, and that is bad. Therefore, scientists choose the lesser of 2 evils, but society at the same time is gradually degrading.
Do you think, where in Ukraine is the complete insanity among young people? From such, here, authors with such scientifically untenable works, to whom the Atlanticists "turn on" the "green" light, whose works were later launched into the system of public education and the media in Ukraine.
Ukraine had the same system as ours.

[uwzek]

Quote: Tatiana

NordUral
I agree, Tatyana, but there will be many people who want to object, even to the VO, because there is no USSR.

This is partly because the West has long waged an information war against Russia. Their receptions inform. wars are tested and well-developed. In addition, not all modern techniques in the information war of the Atlantists against Eurasians, the Russians know.
Do you want, I’ll tell you one secret, how does one method of information warfare among the Atlantists, which they introduced in Russia to replace the worldview of Soviet people and Russians, work? I personally came across this. Moreover, he works against Russia not only in political circles, but also in the scientific community of Russian patriots.
Somehow the theoretical justification of the political program of one Russian political party A. was written. The party members of another political party B asked me to look at this program and tell them what was wrong with it.
Fakes, of course, are literary, and they are still just in the form of a scientifically untenable foolishness, when with a lot of methodological errors you are embroiled in false political attitudes to support some adventurers who seek to enter power.
So that’s the most interesting. It turns out that by criticizing a work full of methodological errors, you can only influence people at the local local level — that is, at best, they will print your review with a detailed correction of the author’s errors for internal use only. But, to publish for wide open access, you will not find support. And you know why? And because in the West, the atlantists formed a system of rating value of copyright works, which depends solely on the number of citations by other authors, regardless of the scientific viability of the work itself. And at the same time, not your refutation of literary and pseudoscientific fakes of the erroneous second work will be appreciated, but how many times in your opposition to the author's “delirium” you have quoted scientifically untenable quotes of the unfortunate author that you had to parse. And the result is the more scientifically insolvent the author’s work, the more methodological mistakes made by the demagogues consciously in her, the more often you are forced to stop and correct each such mistake, proving its sophistry (logical fallacy as an author’s trick to achieve his demagogic goals) the higher the rating of such work for promoting it in the publication, the more circulation it will have - especially if it ultimately works for the atlantists and against Russia.
As a result, in order to prevent the bad work from going on, in the scientific community it is customary to oppose such works simply to hush up - i.e. the opposition does not print or convey to the general public.
How do you like this reception of the Atlanticists (the US and the "collective" West) in their information war against the countries at which their aggression is directed?
Can you imagine what scope for lies, fakes in the open spaces of the information war opens up for demagogues and provocateurs in the open spaces of our country ?! And so all the last 25-30 years!

That is, you place an article on VO, but not only no one on the site pays attention to it (except for the wretched ones). And also our various enemies, bastards, do not react to it?
Almost no demagogue (who is not sinning on the Web), definitely not a provocateur (this is a full-time position, which I have no honor to occupy), hardly an atlantist.
However, I wonder, but do you really get paid for your posts? How enemy voices lie. Or just an attack of graphomania? There is no sense ...

[Tatyana]

uwzek 
However, I wonder, but do you really get paid for your posts? How enemy voices lie. Or just an attack of graphomania? There is no sense ...

Ha! Well, you give!
They don’t pay money for anyone’s posts. If you feel sorry for your thoughts to give others - do not write!
That's all!
Simply, sharing our opinions with each other, we are moving towards the knowledge of the truth of what is happening to us in our country. We learn to think on our own and on someone else's life experience. This is how a nation is formed, which should be able to defend itself in which case.
Members of the forum show their citizenship. And the site is read not only by forum users, but also by a huge number of Russians and non-Russians (NEForum residents).

[spiriolla-45]

Quote: Tatiana

Can you imagine what scope for lies, fakes in the open spaces of the information war opens up for demagogues and provocateurs in the open spaces of our country ?! And so all the last 25-30 years!

That’s why censorship is needed, it’s unnecessary to prove the falsity of fakes, they just need to be banned, and malicious distributors should be punished with the ruble. These demagogues are greedy before the dough, it will affect them.

[Come on]

Quote: spiriolla-xnumx

That’s why censorship is needed, it’s unnecessary to prove the falsity of fakes, they just need to be banned, and malicious distributors should be punished with the ruble. These demagogues are greedy before the dough, it will affect them.

Censorship just gives rise to fakes and lies and allows demagogues to litter people's brains. Since there is no discussion, no opposition, no variety of opinions, where all facts and arguments will be given. Let them say whatever they want, but in free media they will have to oppose and liars are quickly taken to clean water, and so the media will self-cleanse of them.

[Petrovich08]

The citation index, of course, has disadvantages, comrades organize groups there and let's quote each other, increasing the rating. But the problem is that in leading (100% peer-reviewed, and not a couple, but 4-5 leading experts in industry) magazines (at least in the technical sciences) it is quite difficult to break through with crazy ideas, here at least cite. And the main task lies already with the reviewers. And if she was missed, then this is a stain on them and on the magazine.
And if an article has already been published, and even in a leading journal, then why not quote.

[Tatyana]

Petrovich08
And if an article has already been published, and even in a leading journal, then why not quote.

That is precisely the point. Only you have left in a completely different direction!
The article raises issues of information warfare in the field of ideology, i.e. about the social construction of society — social engineering — and not the technical modeling of physical processes.
In technology, everything is simpler, since it is possible to model and test a technical idea on a real model relatively quickly and a fairly limited number of people are involved in this process, and not the whole society. With social construction, everything is much more complicated - the whole society is involved in social experiments, and the subject of research is not glands, but people. At the same time, “superfluous” people are pitifully “experimenting” demagogues with moral ease sent to biological “recycling”. This is where the information front of the network hybrid war unfolds. This is in question. It is not necessary and dangerous to belittle the Russians precisely this side of the information warfare of the Atlantists (bankers of the US Federal Reserve) against Russia.

[Sorokin]

You fool, uncle. Neither place phrases. She is closer to today.

[dmi.pris1]

And why did you say all this ?? The minus is not mine. The USSR has never been a prison (for criminals and dissidents this does not apply) ...

Quote: Mahmut

And in prison now dinner, pasta give.

[2s1122]

It seems that people educated in seminaries and church schools are smarter than some of our modern polytecs.

[matross]

2s1122
Judging by the number of spelling errors, is that you about yourself?

[Mahmut]

Natural selection has not yet been canceled. The lack of conditions for the extinction of idiots, their fostering and nursing, the creation of equal conditions with talented people for reproduction leads to degradation of society, total infantilism and mass schizophrenia. Why should a person think, worry, reflect when there is a party. She will indicate everything will explain where to send. And then any weak-minded, illiterate assistant combine operator will be able to become the head of state. We do not need the sun - we shine for the party, we do not need bread - let's get the job done. Children, you are the owners of the camp, you. You just need to ...? That's right, put together minus this partohulnik.

[wadim13]

Natural selection has just now been canceled. It would be better if the assistants of the combine operators were engaged in legislative and legislative activity, and not the current individuals with the habits of helminths. Dear, take a look around the post-Soviet space with former citizens of the USSR enthusiastically gnawing at each other, and tell me, honestly, "Was it worth it?"

[Sorokin]

But probably the convicted Shitbags are better than combiners, because they carry eternal bandyugan values, eat from the belly take whatever you want, etc.

[Grandfather Luka]

I can recall a vivid example of natural selection. The Civil War of 1917-1922. People with a position like yours were breaking out of the country, in horror, wherever their eyes looked. And those whom you call idiots, united together, caught those who did not manage to get down, and, as an alien element, they put them to the wall without trial or investigation. Thus, having won a place for himself under the sun and subsequently building the Great Soviet Empire for himself. So that. Beware of natural selection to rant. From sin afar.

[satris]

However, it was precisely in Soviet times that one had to think, invent one's own specific language (although Aesop invented it long ago), in order to express his point of view so that everyone would understand, and it was impossible to dig in. Why are the films of the same Gaidai so appreciated? Yes, including because he made, for example, in the "Diamond Hand" car number 28-70 OGO. For those who do not know - the cost of a bottle of vodka after the first rise in price ("old" money, BEFORE 1961). Is it only this? At the Strugatskys, if they were not afraid of censorship, "Inhabited Island" would have come out several (and maybe how many ) worse than it turned out - they themselves wrote that they had to change "convict" to "educated" - what a subtle irony! Well, and a number of other points - if you are interested, look. So in Soviet times there were more thinkers. And now who can you name among the writers of this level? Dontsov?

[Corsair]

Quote: Mahmut

And then any weak-minded, illiterate assistant combine operator will be able to become the head of state. We do not need the sun - we shine for the party, we do not need bread - let's get the job done. Children, you are the owners of the camp, you. You just need to ...? That's right, put together minus this partohulnik.

you’ve grabbed the eco, in our time, natural selection is very much ruled by artificial, so now it’s very difficult for literate and really smart, talented people to get anywhere, resourcefulness, selfishness, careerism are increasingly welcomed, when work is not for the common good, but more in your pocket, so those who are upstairs pick up the same in their teams. It’s just that all this is being presented in a beautiful shell in other words - mobility, enterprise, efficiency, etc. Now the very trend says that a person should first of all love himself, which is primarily beneficial to various traders.

[vikmar64]

С

Quote: Mahmut

Natural selection has not yet been canceled. The lack of conditions for the extinction of idiots, their fostering and nursing, the creation of equal conditions with talented people for reproduction leads to degradation of society, total infantilism and mass schizophrenia. Why should a person think, worry, reflect when there is a party. She will indicate everything will explain where to send. And then any weak-minded, illiterate assistant combine operator will be able to become the head of state. We do not need the sun - we shine for the party, we do not need bread - let's get the job done. Children, you are the owners of the camp, you. You just need to ...? That's right, put together minus this partohulnik.

Man, a social being. And the society that is able to get the most out of each of its members will survive in the end. Not to despise the "loser", but to give each person the opportunity to bring all possible benefits to society and feel a sense of satisfaction from their need for people.
A decent life for the wretched and the disabled is a worthy goal of a social society in itself, but it also creates a certain moral atmosphere in society itself, allowing high qualities of compassion and mercy to appear in people and showing others that if they, God forbid, find themselves in the same position they will not be dumped as waste material.
So, human society is not the field of action of natural selection.

[lukewarm]

Nate. Minus.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: matRoss

2s1122
Judging by the number of spelling errors, is that you about yourself?

2s1112 also has a disagreement syntax. She doesn’t like commas.

[goblin xnumx]

I think that he is not about himself but seems to mean Stalin (you can minus for the missed comma before "A") :)

[uskrabut]

and who said that seminaries gave poor education?

[Winter cherry]

What is smarter than "politEkov" is for sure)))

[Victor Demchenko]

judging by your comments, you didn’t even graduate from Soviet high school. if not difficult, turn on spellchecking before posting your comment.

[Bobxnumx]

I agree! In the article, everything is laid out on the shelves, insulting for the loss of the USSR.

[Orionvit]

The only thing that bothered was the ideological component. Agree in grade 5 it’s too early to demand an essay from a child based on the materials of the April or November plenum of the CPSU Central Committee, or based on the materials of the next party congress. Then I ran to the war room, but they demanded. And the rest is all right, great article.

[lukewarm]

Quote: Orionvit

in the 5th grade it’s too early to demand an abstract from the child based on the materials of the April or November plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU, or based on the materials of the next party congress.

Eka ... This was not a school, but the highest party school is direct. Fifth !!!! classroom? It was in the 9th and 10th, yes. But in the fifth ....

[Victor Demchenko]

Quote: unwillingly

It was in the 9th and 10th, yes. But in the fifth ....

I didn’t practice such crap at my school ... maybe later? I graduated from school in 1966 ...
God, how long has it been.

[Constructor1]

Quote: Tatiana

To author +

I agree!
He was born and raised in the USSR, there was always confidence in the future, and as soon as he graduated from school, they turned everything upside down in the 90s ... Okay, I managed to graduate from the institute and get a USSR diploma, and paid places have already appeared and began to issue diplomas of the Russian Federation.

[Monos]

I'll be honest: the author is the first person who answered my question: "Why am I sad when I remember the Union?"

[uwzek]

Quote: Monos

I'll be honest: the author is the first person who answered my question: "Why am I sad when I remember the Union?"

Everyone who lived during Soviet times is a little sad to remember those times, but how did the article answer your question?

[Monos]

Quote: uwzek

Quote: Monos

I'll be honest: the author is the first person who answered my question: "Why am I sad when I remember the Union?"

Everyone who lived during Soviet times is a little sad to remember those times, but how did the article answer your question?

It was cozy there. Actually, the author writes about this.

[uwzek]

Quote: Tatiana

Very nice and smart article!

Author minus! It, you see, inscribed itself in advance in 5% of clever women in the country, who are destined to lead 95% to a happy ending. Moreover, the article is extremely contradictory in logic, the author did not even try to edit it. Ordinary fascism ...

[goblin xnumx]

minus you - for what - you "probably" and without comment - and the author was mistaken only in the fact that in the USSR - Wednesday was a fish day :)

[voffchik7691]

THURSDAY - fish day!

[assembly]

not, THURSDAY, AND AT ENTERPRISES, AND IN SCHOOLS, AND IN HOSPITALS ...

[Lunic]

and we had fish days Tuesday and Thursday ...

[free]

bullshit

[free]

What are the minuses stuck? Not an article is nonsense, an article ++++++++, but a comment that has already been erased!

[free]

people be careful, just below I explained that bullshit is not about an article, but about a comment that has already been erased, be careful!

[Nikolay K]

The main task of a normal socially oriented state is to look after idiots.

And it seems to me that our nostalgia for the USSR is connected, in addition to pleasant childhood memories, primarily with the fact that the socialist system had (and is unlikely to have) analogues in terms of protecting citizens from themselves,

I agree with the author. It is hard to imagine where else citizens can live more stable than under socialism. Unless in a monastery, a nursing home, a mental hospital or a prison, if the boss comes across a good one.
The state is essentially a socially stabilizing institution. But imagine for a moment that we are foolish children, and the state is our good parent. He has several options for our education. The first is to protect us from any shocks in every way: drafts, cones, bad comrades, tell us only good tales, etc. This is socialism. But when the baby grows up, he really wants to see the world, play dangerous games, meet different people. And it is necessary either to keep the child locked up in fuel conditions all his life, or when the child still breaks out of the greenhouse, he will not be ready to meet the imperfect world. Remember what happened after the collapse of the USSR.
There is another extreme: from childhood, throwing a child into all the hardships, sleeping in drafts, feeding what you have to, walk wherever you want. The child will grow up strong (if he survives), but what will become of his psyche and morality is a big question. This is wild capitalism.
As you understand, the state should, as a good parent, seek a middle ground, and not count 95% of the population as idioms.

[Atomist]

In my opinion, the main problem of modern civilization is no GOAL. Generally no, why live? Previously, the spread of religion, the victory over enemies, the building of communism, and now? There is no goal, a new apartment is not a goal, there should be an idea uniting the people. I want to go back to the USSR.

[nazar_0753]

I join, of course. To author +

[Totalwar]

No words, the author is a BIG PLUS! The author expressed everything in one article, bringing together all the specifics of thoughts about Good and Evil! And I hope and believe that all the same, Russia will move back to socialism ... it just cannot go on forever! "Children" will again look for a "Leader" .....

[79807420129]

Quote: vovanpain

may those cursors who ruined the USSR be damned.

I completely agree and join your opinion of a colleague.

[Mahmut]

let those tombs who ruined the USSR be damned

Well, where was she, this notorious defense against a fool.

[alicante11]

Well, where was she, this notorious defense against a fool.

Yes, there were no fools, unfortunately. So the defense could not work against them.

[AndreyVCh]

You can find a gap in any defense, the problem was that it was not we who attacked, but we were pressed. Under the Soviet Union, there was true independence from Western "values", but now, we nervously smoke on the sidelines and see how democratic Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan have become, the list is too tiresome, but only Syria could hardly be protected from democratizers. We will fill the whole world with blood, but freedom for prostitutes and homosexuals is Western "values".
Well, Mikhail Sergeyevich lives in Germany and laughs at all of us.

[Mordvin 3]

Tell me, in what other country could they imprison for parasitism?

[Sorokin]

Here is the same agree. A photo well in the subject. I will never forgive these freaks.

[gray smeet]

Quote: vovanpain

Eh such a country was sold for chewing gum, jeans and Coca-Cola, let those ear-jackers who ruined the USSR be damned.

Museums are being built with us in the form of the Yeltsin Center !!!!

[nycsson]

Quote: vovanpain

Eh such a country was sold for chewing gum, jeans and Coca-Cola, let those ear-jackers who ruined the USSR be damned.

I am joining. Only here our figures do not throw eggs at his monument.

[2s1122]

Let him put up a monument to Ivan the Terrible, he created the state, and erect monuments to the alcoholics. And then I’m offended that there’s a mess in the country

[lelikas]

Quote: nycsson

I am joining. Only here our figures do not throw eggs at his monument.

How can they shower him, he is essentially their "dad".

[nycsson]

Quote: lelikas

he is essentially their "dad".

That's it! By the way, yesterday the entire branch about the LNG tanker from the USA was deleted!

[udincev]

Quote: nycsson

here our figures do not throw eggs at his monument

I also join. But: "throwing eggs at monuments" is not a royal business.
What is permitted to Jupiter is forbidden to the bull. Here such an interpretation is obtained: the president is not always free to say and do what he wants and how he wants to.
The fact that he does not equalize with the dust of his predecessor (whatever it may be) inspires respect and inspires hope (compare with European cultural Ukraine in the end).
Well, the Yeltsin Center-time will set. Let's see what it will turn into in a few decades ... Sadly, the shame of the country must also be fixed so as not to be forgotten and not repeated. It seems to me that is his purpose!

[Turkir]

What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull.
Quod licet Jovi, not licet bovi.

[Dart2027]

The converse is also true - what the bull can afford, Jupiter cannot afford.

[Damask]

Yes they are rotten two eggs in the country

[Marwel-f]

and rightly so, a precedent has already taken place. Dear Comrade Khrushchev said a lot of things to Comrade Stalin and it turned out that most of the citizens of the USSR (who supported Joseph Vissarionovich) turned out to be fools or bloody gebists. And in the final of Russia (as the legal successor of the USSR), invoices were invoiced in the amount of 300 mln. Euro. So it is necessary to be more careful in statements and actions.

[Saratoga833]

Quote: nycsson

Only here our figures do not throw eggs at his monument.

Along with the monument, you need to throw the eggs and figures who stand near this monument!

[Al1977]

Quote: vovanpain

Eh such a country was sold for chewing gum, jeans and Coca-Cola, let those ear-jackers who ruined the USSR be damned.

So what prevents to build a new country, taking into account all the shortcomings of the past. "Whippers" are already gone. Or do they still rule us?

[Wheel]

Quote: Al1977

"Whippers" are already gone. Or do they still rule us?

Are you sure someone has gone somewhere?

[Al1977]

Quote: Wheel

Are you sure someone has gone somewhere?

Which of the "uglepki" who ruined the country now makes key decisions on the path of the country's development. Is it really YOURSELF ... who is the henchman of the shit who ruined the country, also wants to repeat the path of its predecessor, and the people are so ... not smart that they vote for him from year to year?
Or do you know other people who have almost unlimited power, and who act for the collapse of Russia? AT LEAST ONE NAME?
But I'm afraid in return there will be silence. For trolling is not the same as explaining your vision of a question.

[Victor Demchenko]

names? for God's sake:
1 Medvedev D.A.
2. Siluanov
3. Ulyukaev
4. Kudrin
etc.

[Foxmara]

Quote: Al1977

"Whippers" are already gone. Or do they still rule us?

How do you imagine? So, since 91, the FSB has been preparing a list of tricks and immediately after the arrival of GDP they shot everyone? Recall. The first one. They planted Hodor. The remaining figures fell silent. He began to rebuild foreign policy, returned oil taxes, removed foreigners from the resources, began to pay pensions, reform in the army, while the administrative apparatus was not subjected to severe cleaning. The current government does not allow any Stalinism and repression in thoughts. This means that change must come evolutionarily, without shocks. At the time of our return to big politics, they began to push us back so that they wouldn’t interfere, while ... in the next branch we posted a list of media that received foreign funding. There are far from a couple of positions, these are many agents of influence, in general, there is no end.

[Corsair]

Quote: Foxmara

How do you imagine? So, since 91, the FSB has been preparing a list of tricks and immediately after the arrival of GDP they shot everyone? Recall. The first one. They planted Hodor. The remaining figures fell silent. He began to rebuild foreign policy, returned oil taxes, removed foreigners from the resources, began to pay pensions, reform in the army, while the administrative apparatus was not subjected to severe cleaning. The current government does not allow any Stalinism and repression in thoughts.

And they have enough time for this, are you going to live forever? Who knows which next ruler will come, wait 70 years before the next coup?

[spiriolla-45]

Amen, may your words be heard.

[OlegLex]

Yes, let them be damned !!! who? Yeltsin? Gorbachev? And we? and you? and I? After all, they also had a hand, or didn’t put it on the contrary, but allowed it? I think we (born in the USSR) are guilty before our children for the collapse of the Great Power

[uwzek]

Quote: OlegLex

I think we (born in the USSR) are guilty before our children for the collapse of the Great

So why repent of what you are not to blame for? If you were a contemporary of the event, you yourself remember that it was unconstitutional. But the circumstances were against the USSR, and in your opinion, were civil wars needed not only on the nuclear-free borders of the union, but throughout the country?
The situation repeated in 1917, when the dwarf party seized power in the country, unexpectedly defeating everyone in the capital. Then that party gave the world Stalin, who defeated Hitler ...

[Lunic]

Yes, we are to blame! As the bewitched, they looked into Gorbachev's mouth with his pluralism of opinions .. They got drunk with the "freedom" of dissent, but they could not do anything without the "leading hand" of the party .. The country (system) must be changed gradually and under strict control of each step. Evolution should be from bad to good and from good to best. And we in the 80s were glad to try - we destroyed everything under the "sensitive" guidance of Misha the tagged one and remained at a broken trough.

[ametist415]

Here is the answer to the whole article. It's time to grow up. Russians have already moved from kindergarten to school, although some have remained in the minds of kindergarten age. Now we’re moving from school to university, it’s also a difficult matter, someone else wants to hang out at school, remaining in the second year.

Eh such a country was sold for chewing gum, jeans and Coca-Cola, let those ear-jackers who ruined the USSR be damned.

From the first comment you can understand that everything WE guilty of the collapse of the USSR, primarily non-participation. What can I do, my hut is on the edge. And he scored a lot of minuses.
The second koment says that it’s not us, but they, and we just were on the edge. A lot of advantages.

The rating of these two comments shows that, after all, the bulk of the people are sheep and suckers who are afraid of responsibility. Such must be bred on the headstock, which is what is happening.

[Scoun]

Quote: Wend

It's time to grow up.

and it’s when you have already matured and you are already years old .... some begin to make the right conclusion / choice, etc., (some !!! to some comes only age without wisdom)

If you give him a choice between Dom-2 and the astronomy program, between Enrique Caruso and Timati, between working as a teacher in a rural school or as a garbage sales manager in a beautiful office, between studying for a microbiologist or a fast career star of a reality show, between family fidelity and the ability to have everything,

Some are beginning to understand ... and some are becoming "Akhedzhakov" The Pugachevs for some reason entering into "marriage" with young races who have children from surrogates....
For some reason, Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind.

[Vend]

Quote: Scoun

Quote: Wend

It's time to grow up.

and it’s when you have already matured and you are already years old .... some begin to make the right conclusion / choice, etc., (some !!! to some comes only age without wisdom)

And sometimes it’s even worse, as they say, that old is small. Senile insanity will fall, it will not press and breathe.

[Fox]

Quote: Scoun

The Pugachevs for some reason entering into "marriage" with young races who have children from surrogates ...
For some reason, Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind.

among the Jews it is customary.

[Stalker.1977]

Quote: Wend

In general, the USSR resembled a large kindergarten

Here is the answer to the whole article. It's time to grow up. Russians have already moved from kindergarten to school, although some have remained in the minds of kindergarten age. Now we’re moving from school to university, it’s also a difficult matter, someone else wants to hang out at school, remaining in the second year.

Actually, the USSR didn’t look like a kindergarten at all, and the country wasn’t ruined at all, just the party and Komsomol workers of the last generation really wanted to have private property, remember the same state buildings, state apartments and a lot more, remember who after the collapse of the USSR, the former communist and Komsomol workers of the last generation reigned over the same faces.
However, by the way about kindergarten, we all continue to use the legacy of the USSR and its best practices for the future, this is so by the way, in terms of standard of living, literacy, free education, employment, etc. You can list for a long time, the USSR surpasses all that you might think. In conclusion, you said that we are already at the university, but no, comrade, we don’t even pull to the level of the kindergarten, but only learned a few words and try to get on our feet.
I say this as born and studied in the USSR, and I also recall in early 1991
the official rate of the US dollar to the ruble of the USSR 1 US dollar - 0 rubles. 67 kopecks

[Vend]

Quote: Stalker.1977

Quote: Wend

In general, the USSR resembled a large kindergarten

Here is the answer to the whole article. It's time to grow up. Russians have already moved from kindergarten to school, although some have remained in the minds of kindergarten age. Now we’re moving from school to university, it’s also a difficult matter, someone else wants to hang out at school, remaining in the second year.

we all continue to use the legacy of the USSR and its best practices for the future, this is so by the way,

And the USSR used the achievements of the Russian Empire, this is also the case.

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: Wend

And the USSR used the achievements of the Russian Empire, this is also the case.

Excuse me for what developments ?! There is no economy, no industry, the peasantry is completely illiterate, do you mean this by the achievements of the Russian Empire ?! Yes, under Alexander III, the country began to break free of the lagging behind the leading world powers, but his unfinished son, numbered among the saints, rode all his father’s inheritance and brought the country to complete collapse! That’s all the developments. The Bolsheviks created the USSR from scratch, and if Joseph Vissarionovich lived longer, and then could transfer power to Beria, Kosygin and the like, we would now be smilingly watching the West rotting successfully!

[dauria]

, and if Joseph Vissarionovich lived longer, and then could transfer power to Beria, Kosygin

Yes, tired ... If only, if ... It turned out like this, how it happened. And in the USSR, and in Poland, the German Democratic Republic, Czechoslovakia, etc. What, everywhere is the ridiculous case to blame that someone was not born on time or died on time? But what kind of system is it, where everywhere "if only." Why didn't they stop Humpback? Or Yeltsin? Could not, SYSTEM could not .... One can dream of paradise, but what it should be like so that a new Gorbachev is not born, (and a bunch of those who now rule) show.
According to Marx, socialism will smoothly grow simultaneously in a large number of the most developed countries from capitalism. Wait. "It's a pity only to live at this time ...."

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: dauria

Why didn’t they stop Humpback? Or Yeltsin? Could not, SYSTEM I could not ....

And in 1917, too, the system was to blame, or is it still nicholas-bloody ?! Why did the system not fail under Stalin or Alexander III, for example ?! The point is not only and not so much in the system, but in the role of the leader of the country! The system worked perfectly under Stalin, but immediately began to malfunction under the crunch.

And by the way, the collapse of the USSR did not begin with the hunchback, but with the horsetail, to burn him in Hell!

P.S. And yet, regarding the system, Russia has never tried to break up shaving or mattresses from the inside, but throughout their history, they have tried to do this, including using internal fools or traitors!

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

P.S. And yet, regarding the system, Russia has never tried to break up shaving or mattresses from the inside, but throughout their history, they have tried to do this, including using internal fools or traitors!

But this is a very important remark! In a country against which our "partners" constantly work both from the outside and from the inside, the role of the individual in history is growing.

[Vend]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Quote: Wend

And the USSR used the achievements of the Russian Empire, this is also the case.

Excuse me for what developments ?! There is no economy, no industry, the peasantry is completely illiterate, do you mean this by the achievements of the Russian Empire ?!

What are you saying? Railways, steam locomotive, plants and factories, the legendary Tula arms factories. The economy and industry have successfully collapsed the revolutionary movement. But the Soviet school propaganda extracts have long been forgotten.

[alicante11]

Railways, steam locomotive manufacturing, plants and factories

Everything was, but everything was LITTLE. And the USSR created MUCH and QUICKLY.

the legendary Tula arms factories.

Yeah, and Ilya Muromets, who has no analogues, to which there were no domestic engines.

But the Soviet school propaganda extracts have long been forgotten.

Yes, it’s time to remember, they forgot too much.

[lelikas]

Quote: alicante11

Yeah, and Ilya Muromets, who has no analogues, to which there were no domestic engines.

Then a genius walked ahead of production - . And with Stalin’s engines it wasn’t so much - the whole war was fought on, in fact, the licenses of German and American aircraft engines, after which the afterburner squeezed all the possibilities out of them.
The fact that there was a little - also controversial, a lot and quickly - also had its price and not very small.

[alicante11]

Then the genius was ahead of production - request.

Or production lagged behind genius. In fact, their serial fighter was not able to create.

And with Stalin’s engines it wasn’t very much like that - the whole war was fought on, in fact, the licenses of German and American aircraft engines, forcing all the possibilities out of them with the afterburner.

Well, at least licensed, but they did it themselves.

The fact that there was a little - also controversial, a lot and quickly - also had its price and not very small.

Why argue? 1915 showed that there was LITTLE.

[lelikas]

There was no production because Before WWI, aviation was more of a hobby than a direction of production. There were also those who and when developed and made the M-1?. They did, but there were problems with the quality of all types of engines until the end of the war. Here the lack of designers and engineers affected.
And the 17th showed so that then, shells and cartridges were enough for half of the Second World War, the leather raglans of the tankers - also from those stocks, as well as Budenovka and overcoats with "talk".

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: lelikas

Then a genius walked ahead of production - . And with Stalin’s engines it wasn’t so much - the whole war was fought on, in fact, the licenses of German and American aircraft engines, after which the afterburner squeezed all the possibilities out of them.
The fact that there was a little - also controversial, a lot and quickly - also had its price and not very small.

Let's start with the fact that there was practically no design school in the Russian Empire. What was in service ?! A rifle of the Berdan system (Mosin was adopted in 1891, in my opinion), a Nagant pistol, a Maxim or Lewis machine gun, tanks, either French or English, planes (except for Muromets) are entirely French! There was not enough artillery, not enough shells, not enough cartridges! But there was an abundance of cannon fodder, our soldiers "holy man" Nikolashka sold to France, so that the French planted our artillery and shells to her.

So do not tell tales about developed tsarist Russia. It was developed under Peter the Great, Elizabeth Petrovna and Catherine the Great. About one rifle for two and three rounds, it’s about the First World War and many here beloved nikolashka-bloody, paskudnik!

[Oleg Monarchist]

That's just the bloody Lenin, a paskudnik, managed to lose the war to the losing side - Germany

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

That's just the bloody Lenin, a paskudnik, managed to lose the war to the losing side - Germany

Ummm ... Well, it’s from a sick head to a healthy one.

Then on the ruins of a chapel ...
Sorry, but I also ruined the chapel ?!
No, it was up to you in the 13th century!

The war was lost by the beginning of 1917. Lenin came to power in October 1917. These brainless monarchists like you absolutely lack logic and the ability to think independently! You were inspired by pseudo-historians such as Svanidze that the Russian Empire was a powerful and prosperous power, and you hung your ears and carry this BAD beyond the masses.

Explain to me how such a titan as the Russian Empire managed to screw up the Russian-Japanese war ?! And in what place did Lenin lose the "won" World War I ?! Where did we win it ?! We captured Berlin or Vienna ?! Our troops have occupied half of Germany ?! In what place, besides your inflamed consciousness, did we win this war ?!

[Oleg Monarchist]

Quote: Diana Ilyina Ummm ... Well, it’s from a sick head to a healthy one.
The war was lost by the beginning of 1917. Lenin came to power in October 1917. These brainless monarchists like you absolutely lack logic and the ability to think independently! You were inspired by pseudo-historians such as Svanidze that the Russian Empire was a powerful and prosperous power, and you hung your ears and carry this BAD beyond the masses.

And in what place did Lenin lose the "won" World War I ?!

By the way, why do the Bolsheviks really like to insult others, but when they are insulted in response, they are very indignant?

The Soviet government lost the WWII by signing 3 March 1918 year in Brest-Litovsk, a separate peace treaty with Germany, declaring himself defeated by the party.
The conditions of the Brest Peace signed under the pressure of Lenin:

-Privislinsky provinces, Ukraine, provinces with a predominant Belarusian population, Estland, Courland and Livonia provinces, the Grand Duchy of Finland were torn away from Russia. Most of these territories were to become German protectorates or become part of Germany.
-In the Caucasus, Russia was inferior to the Kars region and the Batumi region.
The Soviet government ended the war with the Ukrainian Central Rada of the UPR, pledged to recognize the independence of Ukraine in the person of the UPR government and made peace with it.
- The army and navy were demobilized.
-Baltic fleet withdrawn from its bases in Finland and the Baltic.
- The Black Sea Fleet with all the infrastructure was transferred to the Central Powers.
-Russia paid 6 billion marks of reparations plus payment of losses incurred by Germany during the Russian revolution - 500 million gold rubles.
The Soviet government committed itself to stop revolutionary propaganda in the Central Powers and allied states formed on the territory of the Russian Empire.

Explain to me how such a titan as the Russian Empire managed to spoil the Russo-Japanese war ?!

For the Republic of Ingushetia it was a local military conflict on the "outskirts" of the Empire. Not all wars are won, including by the Soviet Union.

Where did we win her ?! Have we captured Berlin or Vienna ?! Our troops occupied half of Germany ?! In what place, besides your inflamed consciousness, we won this war ?!

Are you raving, sick? You, with your sore mind, think that WWI won Germany Are you an alternative historian? I want to upset you. Germany lost. We won the Entente countries (which included the Russian Empire), Soviet Russia, in 1918 (and not in early 1917, go study) the war was lost to the losing Germany and the Germans paid the indemnities to the war losers, 90 tons of gold that the Germans paid with the Entente countries, because the winning side imposed indemnities on Germany.

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

The Soviet government lost the WWI by signing a separate peace treaty with Germany on March 3, 1918 in Brest-Litovsk, declaring himself defeated.

Well, that is troops were eager to fight? Nothing turned over in the minds of the soldiers? The Supreme has not renounced? Moral-strong-willed at the highest? And only the "Soviet" (by the way, "Soviet") government prevented the end of the war in Berlin?

The conditions of the Brest Peace signed under the pressure of Lenin:

If they listened to Lenin immediately, then indemnities would have been much less. And so you are a Trotskyist in fact

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

lost the war to the losing Germany and paid the indemnities to the Germans to the war,

How long?

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

90 tons of gold,

Hunchback 2000 tons were taken out of the country, and you say 90. Do not tell

[Turkir]

If they listened to Lenin immediately, then indemnities would have been much less. And so you are a Trotskyist in fact

Some strange logic: "Oleg Monarchist" is to blame for the fact that Lenin was not immediately listened to and there were more indemnities, and Oleg became a Trotskyist?

How long?

Do you mean the revolution in Germany in 1918? Was Lenin doing it there or Trotsky?
I understand there are mistakes in polemic enthusiasm. In a dispute, one must still pay attention to the arguments of their opponents.

[goblin xnumx]

nonsense and even illiterately composed - "sovetskoe", "won", a local conflict that cost several squadrons and territories, not counting the dead, well, if you copy Wikipedia so successfully, that you did not copy about the fact that in November of the same 18 year the conditions of brest of the Lithuanian world were canceled?

[Erg]

Uncle Sam was whispering something in his ear ...

[Oleg Monarchist]

Quote: ErgUncle Sam whispered something in his ear

At the Bolsheviks in the clinic, is it an "open day" today?

It seems that the current Bolsheviks, history was taught in modern schools ... a couple of years ago.

[Sartorius]

When I had time, it’s necessary The war began in August 1914 and not in October 1917. "Everything has already been stolen before us" as in the well-known film. The war at the time of the October Revolution had a year of life left, so the officers were being driven into the tail and mane for the third year already, why blame the mirror.

[Oleg Monarchist]

Quote: Sartorius

When I did, it’s necessary. The war began in August 1914 and not in October 1917. "Everything has already been stolen before us" as in the well-known film.

Dear Sartorius, excuse me, how old are you? Did you study the "Brest-Litovsk Peace Treaty" at school? Lenin's idea. Even many Bolsheviks were against it. And it would be okay to just make peace, because they also lost a bunch of land, accepted humiliating conditions, and even dumped a whole bunch of gold to the Germans.

The war at the time of the October Revolution remained the year of life, so the gentlemen of the officers had already been driven into the tail and mane for the third year already, which is why they blame the mirror.

Tell me, Sartorius, did you yourself take part in any military operations? Do you think a year is a lot or a little?
It would be interesting if I wrote now that it was necessary to conclude peace with Nazi Germany, because the nemchura chased the commissars for almost three years both "in the tail and in the mane." But, naturally, I will never write such a thing, because for me the Motherland is both the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation, and I am not happy about the defeat of any of them.

[Sartorius]

Do you think a year is a lot or a little

Sometimes a minute is enough, and sometimes a year is not enough. By 1917, little remained of the Russian army as an organized structure. The same goes for resources. What was the fight? Yes, the Brest-Litovsk world was humiliating, maybe there were other alternatives at that time, maybe not.

It would be interesting if I wrote now that it was necessary to conclude peace with Nazi Germany, because the nemchura chased the commissars for almost three years both "in the tail and in the mane."

No, not three years, the first response started in December 1941, i.e. 5 months after the start of the war, there is a difference. And the industry was just gaining momentum.

[asiat_61]

... What was the fight for? .. I wonder, and whose all civilians fought?

[Sartorius]

And consider the situation as a whole. In addition to the presence of the weapon itself, it is also necessary that it was in the right place, in sufficient quantity and at the right time. I'm talking about supply. A large number of weapons scattered over the vast expanses is not yet an indicator. Given that the civil war began gradually, everyone had time to shake up these warehouses and arm themselves.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Sartorius

And consider the situation as a whole. In addition to the presence of the weapon itself, it is also necessary that it was in the right place, in sufficient quantity and at the right time.

It's right. But if there is no weapon, because they could not produce it, this speaks of a weak technical base, and if it is simply not supplied to the troops, then this is more likely a betrayal. Given the role of the generals in the February coup, the answer is obvious.

[Sartorius]

Yes, this is not a betrayal, the usual carelessness of the generals and the first person of the state and the backwardness of transport communications. Sadly, our conclusions were not drawn until the Patriotic War. There were a lot of tanks, but there were not enough vehicles to deliver equipment, fuel and lubricants and transport infantry.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Sartorius

the usual carelessness of the including and the generals and the first person of the state

At the beginning of the war it is possible, but not when they have been fighting for the third year already.

[Sartorius]

And the failure of the 1914 offensive, that is, Renenkamph and Samsonov deliberately laid two armies? It didn't smell like February 1917, but I can agree that incompetence is often worse than betrayal. Here is a stissel in Port Arthur, unambiguously acting as a traitor, for which he was later tried by a tribunal, although the punishment is mild, but still.

[lelikas]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Let's start with the fact that there was practically no design school in the Russian Empire. What was in service ?! A rifle of the Berdan system (Mosin was adopted in 1891, in my opinion), a Nagant pistol, a Maxim or Lewis machine gun, tanks, either French or English, planes (except for Muromets) are entirely French! There was not enough artillery, not enough shells, not enough cartridges! But there was an abundance of cannon fodder, our soldiers "holy man" Nikolashka sold to France, so that the French planted our artillery and shells to her.

So do not tell tales about developed tsarist Russia. It was developed under Peter the Great, Elizabeth Petrovna and Catherine the Great. About one rifle for two and three rounds, it’s about the First World War and many here beloved nikolashka-bloody, paskudnik!

Of course, I knew that women's logic is different from men's, but that would be so much ..................

[uwzek]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Let's start with the fact that the design school in the Russian

Mosin rifle twenty years before the war, revolver fifteen. The "Maxim" machine gun participated in the Russian-Japanese war, it was modernized by WWII and was already produced in Russia, tanks by the beginning of WWII did not exist anywhere (as well as combat aircraft) ...

[Alf]

Quote: uwzek

tanks by the beginning of WWII did not exist anywhere

True, but by 1917, the RENAULT FT-17 was invented in France, the MK-V and the Whippet in England, the A7V in Germany, and which tank was produced in Russia and, even more so, serially?

Quote: uwzek

(as well as combat aircraft) ...

And what DOMESTIC airplanes were produced in Russia and, moreover, serially, except for Ilya Muromets. From 1913 to 1917, 76 aircraft were produced. Is this a serial release? Compare with the production of similar machines abroad. Handley-Page 0 / 400-400 copies, Gota-V-56 copies

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Wend

Railways, steam locomotive, plants and factories, the legendary Tula arms factories. The economy and industry have successfully collapsed the revolutionary movement.

I'll tell you rudely - DO NOT LIE! If every noble, kulak, priest and Cossack trash would not raise riots, but would not start a fratricidal civil war, then industry, "Railways, locomotive building, factories and factories, the legendary Tula arms factories" would not have collapsed. An example of the current Libya, Iraq and Syria. The current trash in the person of Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Jabhat al-Nusra and the like are completely destroying all states, destroying cultural monuments, churches and mosques, destroying people, the slave trade is flourishing. This was the same thing in Russia, starting in 1917, until such nits were suppressed in the bud.

[Vend]

Quote: Алексей_К

Quote: Wend

Railways, steam locomotive, plants and factories, the legendary Tula arms factories. The economy and industry have successfully collapsed the revolutionary movement.

I'll tell you rudely - DO NOT LIE! If every noble, kulak, priest and Cossack trash would not raise riots, but would not start a fratricidal civil war, then industry, "Railways, locomotive building, factories and factories, the legendary Tula arms factories" would not have collapsed. An example of the current Libya, Iraq and Syria. The current trash in the person of Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Jabhat al-Nusra and the like are completely destroying all states, destroying cultural monuments, churches and mosques, destroying people, the slave trade is flourishing. This was the same thing in Russia, starting in 1917, until such nits were suppressed in the bud.

Dear, at least read what I wrote. Where did I lie? You wrote the same thing, only in other words.

[Oleg Monarchist]

Quote: Алексей_К I'll tell you rudely - DO NOT LIE! If every noble, kulak, priest and Cossack trash would not raise riots, but would not start a fratricidal civil war, then industry, "Railways, locomotive building, factories and factories, the legendary Tula arms factories" would not have collapsed. An example of the current Libya, Iraq and Syria. The current trash in the person of Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Jabhat al-Nusra and the like are completely destroying all states, destroying cultural monuments, churches and mosques, destroying people, the slave trade is flourishing. This was the same thing in Russia, starting in 1917, until such nits were suppressed in the bud.

Grandpa, you don't even need to study, but to be treated, and in the most serious way ...

That is, the revolution was organized by nobles, kulaks, priests and Cossacks? And they destroyed churches, monuments and "legendary Tula factories"?

Nobles? Fists? Cossacks? Bolsheviks ... Red ISIS

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

That is, they staged a roar

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

nobles

Yes! Lvov, Kerensky, Guchkov, Alekseev, Rodzianko, Ruzsky, Milyukov and Co.

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

fists

Not yet formed as a class. At this stage, they were engaged in squeezing the land.

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

clergy

But I was always wondering why the Holy Synod did not dissuade Nicholas? Means also Yes.

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

Cossacks

Yes, everyone kissed a little bit! BUT ... But of course the Bolsheviks are to blame

[Sartorius]

A victim of the exam? For some reason, all the newly minted monarchists represent themselves as no other than nobles in the new monarchical society (all the leaders and not a single Indian). And the fact that, for example, in 1897 there were about 10 per thousand of the population is not taken into account. But parades, balls, duels are presented - romance. In the nineties, Tolkienists (aka trolls, elves and others) ran through the fields and forests. Now the monarchists have appeared
But seriously:
The February Revolution was organized by the devoured nobles and representatives of capital, who in a short time derailed everything their playful hands could reach (except for the one that was screwed up by the monarch himself). Now about the attitude towards the Cossacks, nobles and others.
It would be strange for the Bolsheviks not to touch those who openly opposed them. Nikolay version 2.0 is a complete analogue of EBN, he also profiled everything. I do not approve of the shooting of the royal family, and Nikolashka himself deserved his bullet 100%.

[Oleg Monarchist]

Quote: Sartorius For some reason, all the newly minted monarchists represent themselves as no other than nobles in the new monarchical society (all the leaders and not a single Indian). And the fact that, for example, in 1897 there were about 10 per thousand of the population is not taken into account.

For some reason, all the Bolsheviks believe that if a monarchist, then it means a nobleman Where does such nonsense come from, dear. Personally, I am not a nobleman, and in my family, at the time of 1917, there were no nobles.

But parades, balls, duels are presented - romance. In the nineties, Tolkienists (aka trolls, elves and others) ran through the fields and forests. Now the monarchists have appeared

This is how the Bolsheviks represent everything.

Victim of the exam?
The February Revolution was organized by the devoured nobles and representatives of capital, who in a short time derailed everything their playful hands could reach (except for the one that was screwed up by the monarch himself).

My dear, I understand that you did not go to a Soviet school? I graduated from school in 1986. There was no exam at that time. So that's it. In the textbook on the history of the USSR for 10 grades. part 3 1952, it is written in black and white that the February revolution was organized by the Bolsheviks, personally Comrade Lenin (from abroad, where else can a revolutionary be) and personally Vol. Molotov and his comrades (in the field), chapter VI, # 25, pp. 129-133 of the above textbook. That is, YOU, comrade. Stalin is considered a victim of the exam , because he personally approved such textbooks. That is, he "persecuted" everything, lied in an impudent way to the people?

[Sartorius]

For some reason, all the Bolsheviks believe that if a monarchist, then it means a nobleman

Just like the monarchists believe that their opponent is necessarily a Bolshevik.

[Sartorius]

I graduated from school in 1986. There was no exam at that time. So that's it. In the textbook on the history of the USSR for 10 grades. part 3 1952

Was your librarian too lazy to go for new textbooks? I am tormented by vague doubts that in 1986 the textbook of 1952 was used, what is bad for the example of 1983 edition. There was clearly no shortage of new textbooks at that time. They usually gave out a pile of completely new books, not like now.

[Monarchist25]

Quote: Алексей_К

Quote: Wend

Railways, steam locomotive, plants and factories, the legendary Tula arms factories. The economy and industry have successfully collapsed the revolutionary movement.

I'll tell you rudely - DO NOT LIE! If every noble, kulak, priest and Cossack trash would not raise riots, but would not start a fratricidal civil war, then industry, "Railways, locomotive building, factories and factories, the legendary Tula arms factories" would not have collapsed. An example of the current Libya, Iraq and Syria. The current trash in the person of Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Jabhat al-Nusra and the like are completely destroying all states, destroying cultural monuments, churches and mosques, destroying people, the slave trade is flourishing. This was the same thing in Russia, starting in 1917, until such nits were suppressed in the bud.

Tin. The feeling from your comment, my dear, as if the red commissar had listened to who had just shot the family of some officer for anti-Soviet propaganda.
God forbid that such people would rise from the abyss of Soviet oblivion into everyday life.
But, nevertheless, for all my denial of the communist ideology, I consider the collapse of the Union a terrible tragedy. When from the most powerful world power we turned into simply the largest shard of the empire, half and half trying to defend its interests in the international arena. In addition, the Union, I believe, had the potential to move away from terry Marxism-Leninism to a more or less secular state, and to recognize the merits of the former rulers of Russia.

[Sartorius]

Tin. The feeling from your comment, my dear, as if the red commissar had listened to who had just shot the family of some officer for anti-Soviet propaganda.

You have a very vivid imagination. It is obvious that wherever there are hostilities, everything and everyone is destroyed. And it is clear whether all parties participate arbitrarily or not. The question is which of them and for what fought? If we discard all the props, the whites were simply fighting for their wallet. Willingly going for an alliance with all the eternal enemies of Russia. High stamps have nothing to do with it. The victory of the Reds in one, they had an ideological core that was understandable to the common people, because no group could gain power in the country without the support of the bulk of the population. The white terror was no better than the red one. They still remember what the Semenovites in the villages did, but there were no communists there. I am not idealizing the other side, but they at least fought for the idea and not for stuffing their pockets.

[Turkir]

And the USSR used the developments of the Russian Empire

Undoubtedly. But, most importantly, there remained - specialists, engineers, teachers, not only schools but also universities. The new, Soviet intelligentsia learned from them. Perhaps this is the main development of the RI. The continuity of generations.
I do not see this continuity over the past twenty-five years. The gap.
The most popular professions among young people: accountant, lawyer, cosmetologist.

[Victor Demchenko]

Quote: Turkir

Undoubtedly. But, most importantly, there remained - specialists, engineers, teachers, not only schools but also universities. The new, Soviet intelligentsia learned from them. Perhaps this is the main development of the RI.

Quote: Turkir

The continuity of generations.
I do not see this continuity over the past twenty-five years. The gap.

but this is the most important thing! and the worst thing is that none of the country's leaders understands THIS! or vice versa, very well understood and promoted further?

[Oleg Monarchist]

Quote: Diana Ilyina Excuse me for what developments ?! There is no economy, no industry, the peasantry is completely illiterate, do you mean this by the achievements of the Russian Empire ?!

Yeah ... everyone walked in the skins, lived in caves and ate raw meat

Yes, under Alexander III, the country began to break away from the lag behind the leading world powers, but his unfinished son, numbered among the saints by a misunderstanding, pumped through all his father's inheritance and brought the country to complete collapse! That's all the developments.

When I was studying at a technical school, I was always amazed, forgive me the crap, in 87-89 the economy of the USSR is compared with 1913. From your own words, there was NOTHING there, before the Bolsheviks the world did not exist at all. And everything is very simple, by 1913, under the "unfinished son of Alexander III", the Russian Empire ranked 5-6 in the world in terms of the development of heavy industry, the ruble was a very attractive and hard currency, no one dreamed of dollars, pounds and other things in the Russian Empire. RI took the 2nd place in the world after the USA in terms of the economy. Like the Soviets, they did not buy wheat in Canada.

The Bolsheviks created the USSR practically from scratch, and if Joseph Vissarionovich had lived longer, and then could transfer power to Beria, Kosygin and the like, we would now be watching with a smile how the West is successfully rotting!

Eh "we would, if only and other WOULD". , fool n 'like Ukrainians dumkoy richer.

Dneproges - large-scale construction. Was there Soviet equipment? Not at all ... Krupp plants, Vitkovice plants in the Czech Republic, hydro turbines - General Electric and Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock Company, USA. Girl, what's not sovets? The project and technologies are American.

In terms of territory, RI included Poland and Finland, the unfinished son of the inspector of the people's gorges, Mr. Ulyanov (it is not clear where the people's shelters came from, after all, according to you, ALL the population was completely illiterate) created all these Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, etc., according to the borders of which the USSR collapsed.

[alicante11]

Yeah ... everyone walked in the skins, lived in caves and ate raw meat

With him piglets were found, with him crucians were caught ... (c). The problem of shell starvation and the second largest in the tsarist army PMA rifles "Arisaka" show that the Russian people are not alive by piglets alone.

occupied 5-6 place in the world for the development of heavy industry

So after all, only 5-6, while still initially inferior to Western economies. Those. we have been lagging behind the world's leading economies. Whereas the USSR, this lag was reduced by an ever increasing pace.

As Soviets, they did not buy wheat in Canada.

And what about the shaft of industry? The United States was also famous for its industry, in contrast to the "great agricultural power".

Design and technology - American.

And the electricity is Soviet. What prevented the "kings" from building the same DniproHPP using the same technologies?

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

Was there Soviet equipment?

Firstly, you have a grade of grade in Russian "sovetskoe"...!
Secondly, what nafig heavy industry ?! Do not drink in the morning and do not listen to Svanidze with the gozman, they will teach you bad things!
Thirdly, do not carry pseudo-historical nonsense about a developed education system and public schools! The people were almost completely illiterate, there were no more than 5-7 percent literate.
Fourthly, according to your nickname and avatar, everything is already clear to me, so you don't have to bother yourself with an answer! It's not interesting for me to enter into polemics with you, first learn the Russian language and the history of Russia, then we'll talk, maybe ...!

[lelikas]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Thirdly, do not carry pseudo-historical nonsense about a developed education system and public schools! The people were almost completely illiterate, there were no more than 5-7 percent literate.

No need to flog nonsense either - it hurts. About 20% in the outskirts and up to 40-50% in the central provinces, and the number of primary educational institutions is almost twice as high as now schools. Again, there was a reform that was never completed.

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: lelikas

No need to flog nonsense either - it hurts. About 20% in the outskirts and up to 40-50% in the central provinces, and the number of primary educational institutions is almost twice as high as now schools. Again, there was a reform that was never completed.

Do not talk nonsense yourself, about 20% on the outskirts. On the outskirts in Poland and Finland, yes, I agree, but in Central Asia ?! There Basmachi ran with "karamultuk" until the 30s. People in kishlaks lived without running water, medicine, and even more so without education. Do not consider yourself the smartest, there will always be smarter!

[lelikas]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Do not consider yourself the smartest, there will always be smarter!

It is a pity that you are not.

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: lelikas

It is a pity that you are not.

It’s me, you can be sure!

[lelikas]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

It’s me, you can be sure!

I beg you, this is not the first time we have come across, on the basis of your, practically, hatred of RI, I don’t know what she did wrong to you.
With respect and regret.

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: lelikas

I beg you, this is not the first time we have come across, on the basis of your, practically, hatred of RI, I don’t know what she did wrong to you.
With respect and regret.

You're lying again! I have not written anywhere about "hatred" for the Russian Empire, on the contrary, I really love my country, as it is! I do not like people who have harmed my country! These include all false Dmitrys, Emelka Pugachev, Sofia Alekseevna, Anna Ioanovna, Peter III, Nicholas the Bloody, Trotsky, Khrushchev, marked, drunkard and you personally, the list goes on!

I repeat, for those who are on the armored train, I have not written anywhere that the Russian Empire is a worthless state, I only assert that it had unworthy kings and the most unworthy of them, Nikolashka, the bloody, by mistake and for the sake of the conjuncture of the moment, numbered saints!
Refute my words, if you can, with my own statements!

[Mordvin 3]

And it writes the economist of the aluminum plant.

[Turkir]

I do not like people who harm my country! These include all the false Dmitrys, Emelka Pugachev, Sofia Alekseevna, Anna Ioanovna, Peter III, Nicholas the Bloody, Trotsky, Khrushchev, marked, drunk

Sofya Alekseevna, why? Did she annoy you with something? Satisfy my love.
How Daniil Galitsky, Ivan IV, Genghis Khan, or, at worst, Hitler, did not get into your name list - I no longer ask. Women's logic is transcendental.

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: Turkir

Sofya Alekseevna, why? Did she annoy you with something? Satisfy my love. How Daniil Galitsky, Ivan IV, Genghis Khan, or, at worst, Hitler, did not get into your name list - I no longer ask. Women's logic is transcendental.

And how did Ivan the Terrible damage Russia ?! Before writing about women's logic, look in the mirror, vumniki! What does Genghis Khan have to do with it ?! I wrote about internal enemies, not external ones. And you will still tell me about LOGIC ?!

When you read the comments of those like you, Lavrov's unforgettable phrase immediately comes to mind ...!

[Victor Demchenko]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

When you read the comments of those like you, Lavrov's unforgettable phrase immediately comes to mind ...!

this: ... dumbbells, bl .... db!

[lelikas]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Refute my words, if you can, with my own statements!

Yes, it's easy - by the way, one of the methods of NLP - to declare your love for something, and then dump all your claims - and no one will cry - I'm loving, so to speak, souls, without even delving into old posts - tsars shit , the people are not educated, there are no designers and engineers - until 17 o'clock they sipped soup with bast shoes ...
I saw my beloved on the list - I was glad, we are together with Tsoi!
My regret, only increases, from the beginning, it was interesting.

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: lelikas

About 20% in the outskirts and up to 40-50% in the central provinces,

And "literate", of course, were those who in the army could spell out their surname, right?

[Oleg Monarchist]

Madam, without your advice, I know how to spell the word "Soviet", I just do not respect the tribal revAlutsiAnerAff.

[Starina_hank]

For those who don't even read on the Internet! Of the 900 thousand called up in 1913, 600 thousand are considered literate, and 300 thousand are illiterate! Calculate the percentage of literate, and do not go into hysterics !!

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

and ate raw meat

Didn't eat. For his absence. See Meat Consumption by Country

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

what the fuck, in 87-89, the economy of the USSR is compared with 1913.

And this is especially for people like you. In 1913, the crunch of the Guardian roll was clearly heard.

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

1913 the Russian Empire under the "unfinished son of Alexander III"

What kind of monarchist are you after that?

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

ranked 5-6 in the world

Just like now. Feels like you are ahead of the rest of the world, right? Especially in industry.

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

for the development of heavy industry,

We developed it so that as many as 150 tractors were released throughout Mother Russia, and sickles were ordered over the hill. Or were the tractors exotic too? With sickles and braids

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

the ruble was very attractive

Especially for 80 percent of the population who have not seen him in the eyes.

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

RI took the 2nd place in the world in the slaughter economy

And what indicators do you use, please clarify

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

As Soviets, they did not buy wheat in Canada.

Stern, little stern, stern

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

Design and Technology - American

You could be asked about technology in the crunchy 1913, but you just google the number of engineers in the 13th and 20th years later. The questions themselves will fall off

[Oleg Monarchist]

Quote: Corporal ValeraWhat kind of monarchist are you after that?

My dear, what do you pull phrases out of context? Do you read through the fifth to tenth, according to the syllables?
This phrase belongs to Diana Ilyina.

And this is especially for people like you. In 1913, the crunch of the Guardian roll was clearly heard.

Yeah ... I heard a crunch, Ilyich crunched ... in IvUropakh

You could be asked about technology in the crunchy 1913, but you just google the number of engineers in the 13th and 20th years later. The questions themselves will fall off

You can also compare with the year 1113. In general, we will be "ahead of the rest"
And 20 years ago, there were not many technologies that are now.

Sorry, but you are really suitable for this phrase, which begins the article under discussion.

Yes, at least 95% of the world's population is household.
Author Bella Rosenfeld (Marina Solovieva)

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

My dear, what do you pull phrases out of context? Do you read through the fifth to tenth, according to the syllables?

And you mold smaller emoticons, otherwise your eyes are dazzled by your "emotions".

Yeah ... I heard a crunch, Ilyich crunched ... in IvUropakh

Comedian - level god!

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

You can also compare with 1113. In general, we will be "ahead of the rest"

And there are 20 years of difference. Plus war, devastation ...

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

And 20 years ago, there were not many technologies that are now.

And now there are not many technologies that were 20 years ago. Something does not grow together with you. Better yet joke about Ilyich, you are our Petrosyan.

[Sartorius]

Yeah ... everyone walked in the skins, lived in caves and ate raw meat

You did not answer the question. Go on a spree, how many and where there were hospitals in pre-revolutionary Russia and who had access there? ... Be surprised that the "cannibalistic" communist regime, among other things, built an effective health care system, which we are now successfully destroying, that is, we are reforming, I wanted to say. And now about literacy: at the time of the 1897 census, 78% (excluding Finland) cannot read ,.

Under the "unfinished son of Alexander III", the Russian Empire ranked 5-6 in the world in terms of the development of heavy industry, the ruble was a very attractive and hard currency

That didn’t stop us from grabbing a bunch of loans in "shaky" currency, and then entering into PMA on the side of creditors. The developed heavy industry turned out to be insufficiently heavy and capable of releasing a sufficient amount of equipment and ammunition to supply the Russian troops in the world meat grinder. And after the failure of the offensive in 1914, the Austrians and the Germans quickly seized the initiative.

[Erg]

The USSR was created by the Bolsheviks, who destroyed the other Bolsheviks who destroyed the Empire ... Sad irony.

[lelikas]

Quote: Erg

The USSR was created by the Bolsheviks, who destroyed the other Bolsheviks who destroyed the Empire ... Sad irony.

The empire, even before the Bolsheviks was destroyed, they first destroyed those who destroyed it, and only then, they themselves fell under the distribution.

[Starina_hank]

Absolutely, only a few, unfortunately, know this!

[Sober]

I do not want to dispute, dear Stalker, you have some controversial points in the article under discussion. It is possible, as the provocateurs do, to reduce the conversation in particular, forgetting about the main thing. In fact, everything is true. They betrayed the country and people. And great efforts are being made to make idiots out of people. It is possible to list many and long ways in which this is done. I am a teacher at a boarding school and I know directly how difficult it is for modern children to put something pure, sincere, kind in their hearts ... I am glad for the appearance of this article, I am glad that I am not alone in my pain about the future of our country.

[Stas157]

Quote: Stalker.1977

Actually, the USSR didn’t look like a kindergarten

If the USSR resembled a kindergarten, then in a good way! In terms of the carefree existence, it was not necessary to think about tomorrow, save up for a rainy day (what if you lose your job, get sick, etc.) and at a funeral. Each person was provided with high social guarantees that guarantee the population a level of consumption recognized by society. Constitutional rights were not secured on paper! The right to work, the right to housing, the right to free medical care, the right to free higher education, etc. Without these rights (freedoms) a person cannot be free! And now what? It would seem that they gave us freedom in 1991, but what freedom? One to fumble on garbage bins, and to appropriate to others achievements of the Soviet people created by whole generations? Personally, those rights and freedoms that the USSR provided are closer to me! For me, the existence there is much more comfortable overall, it’s like for a child in kindergarten.)) Nowadays, a person cannot live so relaxed, he is tense! I have to rely only on myself, no one will help, everyone pushing with their elbows are forced to look for one, beloved, a place in the sun! You yourself need to make a career, earn money, attach a child to kindergarten, then to school, then save up for university. Like a squirrel in a wheel! What kind of freedom is that ...

[made13]

The bloody school of capitalism caused the collapse of the country and the death of thousands of people in conflicts throughout the former USSR. Molavans kill Russians, Uzbeks kill Russians, Balts drive Russians. Nichrome school itself.
Yes, the people in the mass were naive, and what's wrong with that? Better now? School of cynical bastards. Who will approach you now on the street if you have a stroke? One in a thousand? Here is the most primitive and obvious result of the school of capitalism.
The mind has nothing to do with it - an enthusiastic and open perception of the world, trust in the USSR-kindergarten has grown into what we see every day outside the window.

[lelikas]

They’ll come, I won’t forget how in winter, at a bus stop, sitting in the mud, in a parade, a BMA officer pumped a man out before an ambulance arrived.
Not to be found at a glance - "a video about kindness" - but there are more people than freaks.

[Tantalum]

Quote: lelikas

Fit

My father had a stroke, and he lay there for almost an hour until the ambulance arrived! An elderly man, decently dressed and his face clearly not drinking.
In the middle of the day on a very crowded street, only one person came up and that was only because they knew each other! As I can imagine this, I want to do a lot of "good" things, to everyone who brought us such a growth. How many are there? "benefactors", businessmen, thieves in office and just thieves? Million, 2, 3? And enthusiastic idiots who think that growing up is a blessing can always move to some country of the victorious crap.
Now the child must be sent to kindergarten. Choice 3. In one, unsanitary conditions and crumbling walls in the other, very very kind staff, one of the employees just casually killed the child and dunked his face in porridge and not paying attention that the child was suffocating, in both kindergartens there are holes in the fence and playgrounds in such a state that even I would be careful to "play" on them. And in the third, which seems to be more decent, there are NO places! This, as I understand it, too, so that they grow up quickly, well, or as one here said "natural selection" Didn't survive means not worthy of the highest crap. And instead of working quietly, I should be constantly afraid! Afraid for the child, afraid for the old mother, afraid that they will be fired from work, afraid, afraid, afraid. I saw in the grave those dabiles who believe that all THIS is good, but that it was bad during the union. You say 37? Small! It was necessary to weed more thoroughly.

Quote: lelikas

but more people than freaks

I'm afraid that in the process of further growing up there will be less people, and more freaks

[drilled]

Quote: Wend

In general, the USSR resembled a large kindergarten

Here is the answer to the whole article. It's time to grow up. Russians have already moved from kindergarten to school, although some have remained in the minds of kindergarten age. Now we’re moving from school to university, it’s also a difficult matter, someone else wants to hang out at school, remaining in the second year.

You see, your allegory is ambiguous. For example, I can take the Unified State Exam at a university. At least in the humanities (natural, like everyone else, have already been forgotten). And the current "grown-ups" will never pass my exam with an essay and tickets. How do you like this allegory? Read literally, or figuratively.

[Vend]

Quote: Burieway

Quote: Wend

In general, the USSR resembled a large kindergarten

Here is the answer to the whole article. It's time to grow up. Russians have already moved from kindergarten to school, although some have remained in the minds of kindergarten age. Now we’re moving from school to university, it’s also a difficult matter, someone else wants to hang out at school, remaining in the second year.

You see, your allegory is ambiguous. For example, I can take the Unified State Exam at a university. At least in the humanities (natural, like everyone else, have already been forgotten). And the current "grown-ups" will never pass my exam with an essay and tickets. How do you like this allegory? Read literally, or figuratively.

Well, they will not pass the "current" exam, suppose they still have to grow up and get out of the "school uniform" into adulthood. So is Russia. The desire of someone to return Russia to the past and close its path to growth only plays into the hands of Russia's enemies. The past must be left in the past, but it is imperative to learn lessons and keep the good and the necessary.

[drilled]

Quote: Wend

Well, they will not pass the "current" exam, suppose they still have to grow up and get out of the "school uniform" into adulthood. So is Russia. The desire of someone to return Russia to the past and close its path to growth only plays into the hands of Russia's enemies. The past must be left in the past, but it is imperative to learn lessons and keep the good and the necessary.

Unfortunately, those who "grew up" will not get into the university, continuing the allegories. Our "foreign partners" don't need us smart. They will go to vocational schools, or even streets of revenge. So, we need "our" way, which socialism could become. And in the "European family", ie to the university in your comparison, the road has been ordered for us.

[Vend]

Quote: Burieway

And in the "European family", ie to the university in your comparison, the road has been ordered for us.

They didn’t understand correctly. Today's Russia does not aspire to a European family, it goes its own way. THIS is for example BRICS or the New Silk Road. This is what I wrote about.

[Eragon]

Quote: Wend

Russians have already moved from kindergarten to school, although some have remained in the minds of kindergarten age. Now we move from school to university

A bit of math. 25 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR. During this time, the Bolsheviks 1917 + 25 = 1942 made a revolution, won the civil war, conducted the industrialization of the country - production increased 14 times, helped Spain, Mongolia, China in their wars, defeated Khalkhin Gol and, albeit clumsyly, Finland, resisted the blow of a united Europe under the command of Hitler and prepared for this Europe to break the ridge, which they did later.
WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION IN THE SAME TIME? Nothing but destroying what was. And do you think that you "went to school"? It is unlikely, here the author is right - the locks were removed in the madhouse, the doctors were fired, and the orderlies themselves fled. A new head physician came - and with whom to work, there is no one and nothing. As a result, we have what we have

[lelikas]

Quote: Eragon

As a result, we have what we have

Well, we also lived interestingly -
We won in Chechnya - albeit clumsily, in 8,8,8 - without options, we help Syria.
Crimea returned without war and casualties. We still successfully confront Europe and the Yankees to the heap. Average life expectancy has doubled.
Survived three crises.
But with the economy - * oops, but our minister - the best - everyone recognized.
It remains to establish production.

[GYGOLA]

It remains to establish production.

I would really like to have my own, Russian, and not the production of any other state. For example: the production of natural milk and its derivatives, and not the production of palm oil in the Philippines, etc., etc., but alas, ah ...

[Erg]

Quote: Eragon

A bit of math. 25 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR. During this time, the Bolsheviks 1917 + 25 = 1942 made a revolution, won the civil war, carried out the industrialization of the country - production grew 14 times, helped Spain, Mongolia, China in their wars, defeated Khalkhin Gol and, albeit clumsily, Finland, resisted the blow of a united Europe under the command of Hitler and prepared for this Europe to break the ridge, which they later did

Eco you, sir, wrapped up. I propose 25 years to slightly shift. 1928-1953. Feel the difference, as they say. The USSR is Stalin! No need to attribute His merits to those who ruined Russia on the money of bankers from Wall Street.

[Eragon]

Quote: Erg

Eco you, sir, wrapped up. I propose 25 years to slightly shift. 1928-1953. Feel the difference, as they say. The USSR is Stalin! No need to attribute His merits to those who ruined Russia on the money of bankers from Wall Street.

Allow nothing to shift. In both 1991 and 1917, coups d'etat occurred with a change in the social system. Here are the start of the coups and take as a reference point, when they began to break the old and build a new one.

[operator_75]

Then where is the adult, beautiful and noble world, where is it the society of the world dream? What to strive for? Do not show it ?!

[spiriolla-45]

Someone may want to stay longer in the kindergarten, but only now we are being made of us who will not be allowed to go further than the kindergarten. The country is stubbornly divided into castes and instilled in the consciousness that it should be so. No social elevators are born by aristocrats, you have only an illusion of opportunities, an illusion of freedom. In fact, you are cattle, so humble yourself and be glad that you are allowed to breathe at all.

[Batia]

This article is just for those who have moved to "school". To comprehend only what kind of school is this? Did you still take the EGE?

[Russian]

All the fools, you are the only smart one, but by the way, what is your orientation?

[demo]

It seems to me that you lightly reacted to the process of growing up of Russians.

A lot of "preschoolers" thrown into adulthood by our would-be reformers (so that the devils could fry them without stopping) never entered "adulthood", not because of a desire to sit for a "second year", but because of their death at an "early age ".
Here is the scary thing.
Twice in one century the country experiences a terrible catastrophe, akin to the invasion of Batu.

And the glory of God survives.

[Combitor]

Wend (2) RU Yesterday, 09:43 ↑
The article is written for adults and thinkers. Not for you. Spider-Man and American comics are your level.

[larand]

Quote: Wend

In general, the USSR resembled a large kindergarten

Here is the answer to the whole article. It's time to grow up. Russians have already moved from kindergarten to school, although some have remained in the minds of kindergarten age. Now we’re moving from school to university, it’s also a difficult matter, someone else wants to hang out at school, remaining in the second year.

You are an optimist, however. We do not go anywhere, but we sink deeper and deeper into something that smells bad. However, we do this together with all of humanity, which has "succeeded" only in hatred and murder. We are dear there if we were allowed to kill our country, which wanted to try to live differently.

[30BIS]

Not even a kindergarten, but a big pioneer of Leger ... For once, they all went to bed! For two, everyone went sr ... be! . For some reason, the author considers all citizens to be idiots. Of course, besides herself beloved and smart. Idiots enough agree. But there are few of them, much less than normal, good people. Just always stands out - call! Floats on top and stinks incredibly. The vast majority of people live, work, love, raise children, study, teach, defend their homeland. Worthy and respected people !!!

[aba]

Now we move from school to university

Now this is only in the presence of money and with commercial training is expelled in oooooooo very rare cases. Rather, they will be expelled from the budget in order to stick in the son of an official or a rich man. The latter has become fashionable - to attach to the budget, to say what the children have achieved themselves, and not the money of their parents.

[Armax]

Quote: Wend

. It's time to grow up. Russians have already moved from kindergarten to school, although some have remained in the minds of kindergarten age.

Your opinion is understandable, but ...
Here is one video, from a different point of view.
Pretty short, but for sure. I personally have a closer view.

Watch the first 18 minutes.

[shibi]

Long live the USSR!

[dauria]

This was the country that made us all better

Exactly "was"... And she died from an elementary cold, which the "base" capitalist countries blow their nose without noticing. For them, a snotty nose is not a reason to die. Better or worse the country is determined by its ability to survive in the world, and not by the fact that there is a "humanistic way of social organization" there, or not too much. The selection does not care if all the cells of the body live well - the main thing is that the whole body survives.
Nobody opened the doors of the kindergarten pedophiles educators raised there.

[EvgNik]

Quote: dauria

The selection does not care if all the cells of the body live perfectly- the main thing is that the whole organism survive.

And this is a cancerous tumor, and although the body does not know, it is on the path to self-destruction.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: dauria

Nobody opened the doors of the kindergarten, pedophiles-educators were raised there.

In the USSR, fagots and pedophiles were imprisoned and received their favorite pederasty in full and lived next to a bucket or under a bunk.

[Armax]

Quote: dauria

... Better, worse, a country is determined by its ability to survive in the world, and not so, there is a "humanistic way of social organization" there, or not too much. ....

So determine if possible to survive.
How old is our country?
A thousand years!
And what is its territory?
17,12 million km2.
And throughout all these years, continuously, they tried to conquer and divide it.
Where are all these conquerors now?
They drove off the face of the earth.
And Russia, here it is reborn again.

[lelikas]

Quote: sibi

Long live the USSR!

Sometimes you feel like in a cartoon -

[aksakal]

Quote: Irokez

Turn upside down. "And the first will be the last and the last will be the first."

- I did not understand your comment))). Can you explain?
I personally did not finish reading ... Already passed. And even the film with Will Smith was called "I am a Robot", where the main robot thought for a long time how to get around the law of three prohibitions for Czapek's robots and still came up with - the robot decided to protect people from themselves There, the only negative is mine. I honestly confess. Because I do not agree with the article. Because if "You are a parasite, an artistic person, you are looking for yourself, you dream of becoming a rock band soloist, a famous writer, an illustrious artist, but meanwhile you are bawling on a guitar in a boiler room, begging for money from your mother? No, it won’t work out, if you please go to work in order to have a normal income, a guaranteed old-age pension and at least some activity in life, if you do not happen to become the second John Lennon. But an article for parasitism is violence against a creative person, deprivation of the right to bomb, as much as possible?! ", then Viktor Tsoi would never have appeared here, whose songs are sung thirty years later, even by those who have never seen him alive (in the sense of live, not on tapes).
Let the author not be likened to a robot from the above c / f. Those negative moments occurring in the West that the author in the SAJ mentions as the consequences of excessive freedom of choice are not in fact the consequences of this freedom, but the results of someone’s directed evil will, absolutely the same nature as the author suggests introducing the author in his SAJ, only the goal of the author of the subject is different - in the form of good intentions. But we know how the road to hell is paved. Here is the author of the Sabbath let herself go there, without us. Surprised that such a stupid woman offers. Does she even have children? And then, after all, those who know how to bring up children are the best who know how to raise children
Of course, there are reasonable thoughts in the SABJ, of course, the state should work more on fostering patriotism, raising the cultural level, and providing greater opportunities for self-realization, but this should not be through prohibitions and power administration. There are thousands of other ways. I do not agree with the main idea of ​​SABZH - in what form should all these good intentions be implemented. This is about the same as one about the same "smart guy (tsa)" proposed to prohibit women from giving birth until she proves that she is not an idiot, is capable of earning a living, there are no unnecessary cockroaches in her head such as hobbies for mysticism and I-Q it is more than a hundred points Oh my god, what idiots you can’t read on the internet and in this forum The author of the Sabzh with such thoughts is precisely in the top five of those 95% of whom she swears, excuse me

[NordUral]

I live near the boiler room Tsoi. And I do not really understand the degree of its significance and those like him, such as Makar. One field of berries, just one did not live up to the revelations of Andryusha.

[Winnie76]

And who is significant to you? Kobzon, Tolkunova?

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: Winnie76

And who is significant to you? Kobzon, Tolkunova?

And why didn’t you please Kobzon and Tolkunova ?!

"Change our hearts demand,
our eyes demand change ... "

As a result, we had a dashing nineties, with a loss of population, almost comparable to the losses in the Second World War, the collapse of the country and devastation. Look at Ukraine, they have been wanting "changes" there for 25 years of independence, everyone knows the result. Do you want "change" too ?!

[lelikas]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

As a result, we raped the dashing nineties, with a population loss that was almost comparable to the losses in the Second World War, the collapse of the country and the devastation

I thought that Gorbachev and Yeltsin tried, Chubais to the extremes - and Tsoi is to blame - then he ruined the empire in two lines, that's where the great human being is!

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: lelikas

I thought that Gorbachev and Yeltsin tried, Chubais to the extremes - and Tsoi is to blame - then he ruined the empire in two lines, that's where the great human being is!

I did not write that it was Tsoi who ruined the country, I just outlined the trend. In those years, the maidan of the brain was in the majority of young people who listened to Tsoi with open mouths. What this Maidan led to, we all know well. So do not distort!

[lelikas]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

I did not write that it was Tsoi who ruined the country, I just outlined the trend. In those years, the maidan of the brain was in the majority of young people who listened to Tsoi with open mouths. What this Maidan led to, we all know well. So do not distort!

I don’t distort - you wrote what you wrote, and in the second post, you also confirmed - the youth has now added, and I will repeat it again - the country has collapsed its own government, it’s a pity that you don’t understand such simple things.

[Tatyana]

NordUral
I agree, Tatyana, but there will be many people who want to object, even to the VO, because there is no USSR.

Not only because there is no USSR. But 25 years have passed since then. Everything has changed in the social order and in power. Education in the country has become different, people have become different. However, you still need to express your point of view on the forum to everyone to express, read, delve into the content and find mutual understanding, for only thus is a nation ready to defend itself.

To your comment, Eugene, I have one more detailed answer-comment above. See Tatyana's comments from 11:58 a.m.

[NordUral]

And in vain you ernichat, the negative influence of Tsoi was very significant on young souls.

[lelikas]

Quote: NordUral

And in vain you ernichat, the negative influence of Tsoi was very significant on young souls.

Yeah, I still, as soon as I hear a song about a pack of cigarettes, my hand reaches for the lighter itself, and after a blood type, it pulls back to the army.
I have never jerked, can you imagine if Bodrov would have survived - suddenly a gay man would have played - a break in the template!
Just the fans of Tsoi did not turn into plankton, in any case, all I know, and these are almost all friends.

[Tantalum]

Quote: lelikas

Just fans of Tsoi did not turn into plankton

Magarevich also once had good songs, but now? So it’s not known what Choi would sing now. And please do not get dirty with your dirty assumptions of Bodrov, I'm sure he would definitely not play a gay

[Igor Polovodov]

BETWEEN EARTH AND SKY WAR ...

[NordUral]

I am from the Pakhmutova generation. I treat Tolkunova and even Kobzon with warmth.

[lelikas]

Quote: NordUral

I live near the boiler room Tsoi. And I do not really understand the degree of its significance and those like him, such as Makar. One field of berries, just one did not live up to the revelations of Andryusha.

It’s just that Choi was and remains a musician, and Makar, turned into an elderly pro-school.
But who would you become, you don’t recognize. Who do you think Kinchev and Butusov have become?

[NordUral]

Rather, only because he did not live up to the age of Makarka. But I practically do not know Kinchev and Butusov; I will not say anything about them.

[lelikas]

Then, using your logic - since the rock club was in St. Petersburg, then the next revolution was supposed to begin in St. Petersburg, with the youth jumping on Palace Square, and the fish rotted from the head.
Not many people know that the idea of ​​perestroika originally came from Andropov, and he hardly listened to Tsoi. The "Young Democrats" who had gotten out of the Komsomol functionaries were also a bit old, well, and the main argument was the song of 86, when the whole "process had begun."

[Manul]

Quote: NordUral

I live near the boiler room Tsoi. And I do not really understand the degree of its significance and those like him, such as Makar. One field of berries, just one did not live up to the revelations of Andryusha.

One here does not understand Bulgakov's significance, the other - Tsoi .. You know, these are your problems, as it were. You describe in detail what your doubts are, and what your ideas are - who is significant. Otherwise, it turns out that either no one, or ... Live even in the Hermitage - this will not make you an expert in painting. Everyone imagines himself to be a luminary of art, if someone gets fucked up, and will receive a like from the same "rebels".

[NordUral]

Rudeness is not an argument in the argument. And Tsoi’s influence on youth as a whole turned out to be negative, it didn’t lead there.

[Tatyana]

It is believed that at the time of "perestroika" with the so-called boredom. "new thinking" by M.S. Gorbachev CIA officers used Tsoi in the dark.

[Al1977]

Quote: Tatiana

It is believed that at the time of "perestroika" with the so-called boredom. "new thinking" by M.S. Gorbachev CIA officers used Tsoi in the dark.

What talented quirks, beautiful songs they wrote. Why only stopped? They would have to go to concerts in Russia - there would be full houses.

[Al1977]

Quote: NordUral

Rudeness is not an argument in the argument. And Tsoi’s influence on youth as a whole turned out to be negative, it didn’t lead there.

Can you see a link to a study of the influence of Tsoi on the path that young people have taken? The degree of influence of the group of Earthlings on the milk yield of cows at the Bright Way State Farm is also the same.
Who are you by profession?

[Manul]

Quote: NordUral

Rudeness is not an argument in the argument.

I got angry, I repent. But you, too, are by no means elegant in the name of Tsoi. My colleagues have already argued perfectly above, I would like to add that I didn’t especially listen to Tsoi. And in general, he was never fan of anyone. But I could listen, and I perfectly understand the level of their contribution to our music and culture. In your opinion, the influence of Kinchev can also be considered in the light of the harmful influence, and of the Klinsky ones (Khoy who, the Gas Sector group), so did they probably drive the last nail into the lid of the coffin for the development of our youth? The Soviet Union wanted to destroy and destroyed not the musicians and writers as a class. But politicians and those in power. People are used to believing that the party says everything is rushing from the TV. It is now that we are retroactively smart.

[Turkir]

And Tsoi’s influence on youth as a whole turned out to be negative, it didn’t lead there.

And Tsoi’s influence on youth as a whole turned out to be negative, because it didn’t lead anywhere.

[aksakal]

Quote: Manul

One here Bulgakova does not understand the significance, the other - Tsoi ..

- this is depressing ... And Bulgakov certainly condemns according to the principle "I have not read, but I condemn!"
And I don’t understand, after all, that the West won thanks to its cultural influence, not due to military force and economy, in this case the USSR was only slightly superior to America, namely, cultural influence! We limited culture only in the permitted outline, it was possible to sing only about Lenin and Stalin (not at all against these personalities, just culture should not be limited only to the singing of these, albeit great, personalities), and the West not only forbade nothing, but also through those funds that are now called NPOs, financially and in every possible way supported everyone who was noticeable in the cultural field of the West! It’s all the same that, for example, the West would subsidize its, for example, agricultural producers, and in the USSR, on the contrary, peasants would be spread rot and forced to plant only corn, because only corn is faithful to Lenin’s business You can guess the result three times, who would have won in such conditions - a Western farmer or a Soviet collective farmer? So in culture everything is exactly the same. At first, the Soviet youth was carried away by Western culture, and there they got involved and generally switched to a passion for the Western way of life - those same notorious "gum, cola and jeans". And it began, I will not tire of repeating, precisely through cultural influence! And Furtseva had to try not to limit the cultural expansion of the West to the Soviet audience, because it is still a losing proposition, but on the contrary, to stimulate that Soviet culture itself would make a cultural expansion to the Western audience!

[alicante11]

then the west won thanks to its cultural influence

What kind of "culture" are you talking about? Jeans, gum, porn, but pop? What else from the field of "culture" did the 90s bring us? There was much more culture in the USSR than in the West. The West won not at the expense of culture, but at the expense of consumption. Due to the beautiful wrapping of their worthless values.

it was possible to sing only about Lenin and Stalin

Yeah, I can smell Pugachikha singing all the songs about Lenin and Stalin. And Kobzon and Utesov and Anna German. Why talk nonsense?

So in culture, everything is exactly the same. First, Soviet youth was carried away by Western culture

If it was only about rock 'n' roll, then it would simply be resolved and that's it. In the USSR, everyone danced not waltzes either. People were shown that there is the possibility of SUCCESS, and not by hard work and then, but just buy and sell and live beautifully. They just didn’t say that at this expense they would be able to "live" well if 1% of the population. And everyone else will have to plow in more than under the USSR, but have less.

[AllXVahhaB]

What is the West's "cultural influence"? Jeans and Cola? Maybe TV shows about super heroes? The West won, stupidly, "40 varieties of sausages on the counter" and other components of consumerism!

[aksakal]

Quote: NordUral

I live near the boiler room Tsoi. And I do not really understand the degree of its significance and those like him, such as Makar. One field of berries, just one did not live up to the revelations of Andryusha.

- Tsoi did not voice his political views, the song of "change" only voiced the desire for change, not defeat to the West. Changes also took place in China, but without losing to the West, and changes in the USSR are ripe for anybody, no need to blame Tsoi for this, look at yourself, I am sure that at that moment you were also not quite on the side of the State Emergency Committee, because you were tired of the eternal deficit In all, the elderly one-year-old general secretaries who make erroneous, or rather, not erroneous, but incompetent decisions such as sending troops to Afghanistan (mediocre against the background of the same military assistance to Russia and Syria - could be helped without getting bogged down in Afghanistan and not fighting instead of Tsarandoy, who was supposed to fight for his land) If you liked it, then you are simply lying, for a sane person simply could not like this. So changes are ripe in this Choi is right. And he cannot be compared with Makar in any way - after a trip to the west, which Gasparian's wife Jonna Stingray organized for him, Choi came from there disappointed, said that in the west there was only a showcase, behind which there was a terrifying emptiness. It is worth a lot for a twenty-five-year-old at that time to understand this, and the fact that you put Tsoi on the same level as Makar perfectly characterizes you for me. And the fact that Tsoi's songs are sung thirty years later is actually a period, and thank God that the people who listen to this do not listen to those who understand little in culture, except for pathetic songs with lyrics "and Lenin, so young and young, again ahead! ". Don't you hear any falsity in this song from Pakhmutova? Do you seriously believe that Pakhmutova herself and Dobronravov sincerely believed in these lines? And I hear that she was working on the Ministry of Culture obligation from Furtseva. Tsoi was sincere, and he was also sincerely wrong, and this is his strength and popularity. He sang from the heart and from himself, and did not fulfill obligations from Furtseva. Culture is dead when made to order.
In general, Diana, go in line by yourself, you don’t need to beat people up to it now. To love Russia and the readiness to give life for it, as Prokhorenko did, and the willingness to walk in uniform in the same uniform for songs with idiotic words are not the same thing. And the country was not destroyed by Viktor Tsoi, but by those who mimicked and obediently walked down the ranks, and when the country gave up weakness, ran out of action and hit right in the back. Give you examples with surnames or guess yourself? I repeat - they have already passed through the Sabzh, there is no need to make a rake with your favorite tool!

[alicante11]

Tsoi did not voice political views

So you need to think what you say, especially when you speak allegorically. Your words can interpret.

[Turkir]

I am not a fan of Tsoi, but, of course, comparison with Makar is impossible, different weight categories. He has an individual style, a style reflecting that era - I would call it the era of betrayal. Perhaps I want to forget that period of my life, and Choi reminds me of her.
And the rest I also agree with you.

[Al1977]

Quote: NordUral

And I do not really understand the degree of its significance and the like

So not given. Listen to that simpler.

[Eragon]

Quote: aksakal

then Viktor Tsoi would never have appeared in our country, whose songs were sung thirty years later even by those who had never seen him alive (in the sense of being alive, not on tapes).

But what about Vysotsky V.S. has appeared whose songs have been sung for more than 50 years?

[aksakal]

Quote: Eragon

But what about Vysotsky V.S. has appeared whose songs have been sung for more than 50 years?

- I adore Vysotsky, but in SABZH there is a tough allusion to Tsoi (like, those who quietly labored in the stoker had to go to the plant, and there was no oprichnik and supervisor next to them, because there was nothing! Let him die at the machine! , who is drawn to music, but for some reason hardly wants such a life at the machine for his offspring - after all, she probably tore his veins so that her child would go to college, but better, did and therefore did not stand behind the machine! Such "well-wishers always kill me "! You think that the country will be lifted only by the fact that all people need to be driven to factories for a 16-hour working day, start with yourself and your children, work yourself and set an example, and do not post stupid SABZHs. I will find you on every corner, but you will not find those who are really happy!

[EvgNik]

Quote: aksakal

then Viktor Tsoi would never have appeared in our country, whose songs were sung thirty years later even by those who had never seen him alive (in the sense of being alive, not on tapes).

Tell me, please, aksakal, is it possible that such a powerful person Vysotsky may appear at the present time? The fact that there are none already speaks for itself. And the appearance on the stage of more and more dummies calling themselves "stars" is the achievement of the current system? A very dubious achievement.

[Al1977]

Quote: EvgNik

that there are no such people already speaks for itself. And the appearance on the stage of more and more dummies calling themselves "stars" is the achievement of the current system? A very dubious achievement.

It’s not the system that gives birth to geniuses, but nature. What are the achievements of the tsarist regime under which Pushkin was?

[alicante11]

It’s not the system that gives birth to geniuses, but nature. What are the achievements of the tsarist regime under which Pushkin was?

That's right, the system destroys them. Imagine Vysotsky on Dom-2 or next to Galkiny, Timothy or Kirkorov. You can also recall the "mongrel" Mikhalkov, who, of proletarian antagonism, would only stutter Vysotsky's talent.

[EvgNik]

Quote: Al1977

It’s not the system that gives birth to geniuses, but nature. What are the achievements of the tsarist regime under which Pushkin was?

In modern times, there are no prerequisites for the birth of a poet equal to Vysotsky or Pushkin. Anyway, can you name at least one major poet of our time? I can not.

[Turkir]

To grow a beautiful flower you need special soil and conditions, that is, the environment.
For example, Pushkin was lucky with both the teachers and the teaching subjects that developed his talent.

[private64]

"... in the form of good intentions. But we know how the road to hell is paved."
In your opinion, since good intentions, it means only - to hell and nowhere else?
And where then do evil intentions lead?
To a worse place or vice versa?
It can be seen that you are reasoning reasonably, but was it worth it to distort so cheaply?
If only to strengthen their arguments.
Who would Tsoi be? I want to think that it’s not Makar.
But for the sake of the appearance of a dozen musicians of his level, even you, not to mention the rest, will not agree to a repeat of the 90s.
There are some, I must admit, there were pluses in the 90s, but they are not comparable by orders of magnitude with the minuses of those years.

[aksakal]

Quote: chastnik64

But for the sake of the appearance of a dozen musicians of his level, even you, not to mention the rest, will not agree to a repeat of the 90s.
There are some, I must admit, there were pluses in the 90s, but they are not comparable by orders of magnitude with the minuses of those years.

- I am not against the USSR, I am against the regulation of my life by anyone! Here in SABJ they want to impose happiness on us by force! And what then is the author of SABZH better than the same amers who impose democracy on us, by the way, quite sincerely believing that democracy will make us happy? What kind of choice is this - either "democracy, or at the machine 16 hours and generally a loss of choice, as suggested by the author of SABZH? If you do not want to fall into the amerskoy trap, please come to the Russian gas chamber?"
I, by no means, believe that we are here against amers in the sense that in the human dimension we want to surpass them in the level and quality of life, in opportunities for personal development and self-realization, in the economic dimension - surpass in GDP in general and in GDP per capita of the population, in the social dimension - to do at a much higher level of health care and education, in the military and spiritual dimension - well, everything is clear, but here it is stupidly proposed to limit everything under the pretext of protection from ourselves and drive it to the factory for 16 hours, so that in the stoker it’s not labored from idleness. Get fucked up! And with these measures, in all dimensions can victory be achieved over America? Will the quality of life be better from 16 hours of work at the machine? What kind of nonsense is they doing here? Poor Russian citizen, why are there so many who want to squeeze him to the nail under the guise of a corral in happiness! But who really takes care of him in the sense in which I indicated?

[private64]

AKSAKALU
Maybe I read it inattentively, but I looked at it about 16 hours a day. Even before the war, there were no more than 12 hours.
The West of the USSR, by the way, was very much in the way with its 8-hour working day, and a host of social benefits.
That is why it was not the USSR but the West that initiated the Iron Curtain (Churchill - a speech in Fulton), but he had to maintain a somehow comparable level of social benefits for his workers. Do not confuse with the level of consumption.
And only after destroying the USSR, in the West were they able to lengthen the working day, reduce vacations, etc.
The author of the article quite rigidly indicated 95% as idiots, but do not be offended. In other countries: USA, Canada, Australia, and the vast majority of countries (ordinary people, housewives) - the figure is even worse.
Their consumption level has so far been maintained through redistribution (robbery - if you like) in one form or another of less developed countries.
Now it’s getting harder and harder, so we don’t need to overtake them, injecting 16 HOURS DAY.
Need authoring from the West.
As General Nechvolodov said more than 100 years ago: "Only friendship with them can be worse than enmity with the Anglo-Saxons." He has a couple of books - I recommend.
And as for the state’s restriction of your right to choose, it’s the same as arguing with your doctor.
Truth is born in the dispute - only if the arguing ones have at least approximately the same knowledge of the issue.
And it is at the level of governing the country (and this just applies to the restrictions of choice, as just one of the many questions), due to our incompetence (even due to the lack of classified information in our country - is it not so insulting anymore?) , mmm ... people who are not capable of making correct, sound decisions. (and the word "" disgusts already only at the level of emotions, ambitions, which once again confirms the correctness of the term).
We must make sure that the doctor washed his hands, did not drop the syringe, but it will be worse for us if we argue how and with what he will treat us.

[NordUral]

I agree, Tatyana, but there will be many people who want to object, even to the VO, because there is no USSR.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: NordUral

I agree, Tatyana, but there will be many people who want to object, even to the VO, because there is no USSR.

What is written in this article is a look at the USSR in pink glasses, although the lady who wrote it is somewhat young.
The USSR is a massive deficit at the household level.
The queue for the apartment is 15 years
The queue for the car (Lada, Muscovite) -10 years
The lineup for the TV is 2 of the year.
Furniture is a problem, plumbing is a problem, blat, underground workshops, alcohol at an affordable level.
Again, some people are trying to decide for me, because it seems to them that they are smarter and know how to. What pictures to watch, what music to listen to, what books to read, what to do in your free time.
Aksakal there and my minus.

Marina Solovyova, men do not look at women’s butt because they are like that, they all look very smart and not very young and not very.

[Manul]

Quote: saturn.mmm

What is written in this article is a look at the USSR in pink glasses, although the lady who wrote it is somewhat young.
The USSR is a massive deficit at the household level.
The queue for the apartment is 15 years
The queue for the car (Lada, Muscovite) -10 years
The lineup for the TV is 2 of the year.
Furniture is a problem, plumbing is a problem, blat, underground workshops, alcohol at an affordable level.
Again, some people are trying to decide for me, because it seems to them that they are smarter and know how to. What pictures to watch, what music to listen to, what books to read, what to do in your free time.

So these are the problems (and many artificial ones) of our country that we had to solve. Here to take and change. Without destruction. No shocks. Without civil wars and the collapse of all logistics. Without theft and sharing of the country's capacities. Or are you happy with what happened?

[Igor V]

Saturn, didn’t it occur to you that when they want to cry out for the USSR, they remember the repressions and the deficit? So everything else was okay? And I listened to music and books and read those that were interesting to me, and no one decided for me, do not lie. And this thought: a person could spend 1 ruble a day on food (with a minimum salary of 70-80 rubles a month), so in canteens a lunch could not cost more than 60 kopecks, and often less. And subsidies for really socially significant prices for products were taken from the cost of durable goods, the same furniture and TVs. By the way, I did not see the queue on the TV. So evaluate in a complex.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Igor V

Saturn, didn’t it occur to you that when they want to cry out for the USSR, they remember the repressions and the deficit?

Yes, I lived in the Union, I know everything perfectly well that you are trying to get me involved. The music and books you read that censorship missed, I'm not a big fan of Solzhenitsyn, but before Gorbachev he was not published in the USSR, and not only him.
I did not set myself the task of crying out for the USSR, but the article was solid honey, the idealization of the USSR, there were positive aspects but there were also negative ones. Of course, it can be nastalgic about the past, but we must go forward and build a modern civil society where the rule is not a party with leaders, but the law.

[alicante11]

I am not a big fan of Solzhenitsyn, but before Gorbachev he was not published in the USSR, and not only he.

Without reading SOLZHEnitsyra, Soviet people lost nothing. Rather, they even got it without getting extra noodles on the ears of the billions of victims of the Gulag.

there were positive moments but there were also negative ones.

But there were fewer second ones.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: alicante11

Without reading SOLZHEnitsyra, Soviet people lost nothing.

In addition to Solzhenitsyn, there were Pasternak, Bulgakov and many very talented people.
You do not know why the revolutionary poet Mayakovsky shot himself?

[Ermak]

Quote: saturn.mmm

Quote: Igor V

Saturn, didn’t it occur to you that when they want to cry out for the USSR, they remember the repressions and the deficit?

Yes, I lived in the Union, I know everything perfectly well that you are trying to get me involved. The music and books you read that censorship missed, I'm not a big fan of Solzhenitsyn, but before Gorbachev he was not published in the USSR, and not only him.
I did not set myself the task of crying out for the USSR, but the article was solid honey, the idealization of the USSR, there were positive aspects but there were also negative ones. Of course, it can be nastalgic about the past, but we must go forward and build a modern civil society where the rule is not a party with leaders, but the law.

Even if it is honey, then it is real. These characteristics are sufficient for characterization. Indeed, today, these are the criteria of a social society.
What can be compared today to this as you called honey? And what

but there were also negative

? So the analysis will turn out. Only I think the advantage in the pros will be in the USSR, and the cons are ridiculous, not at all like they are now.
And if so, then such an article is needed, at least to understand what needs to be built and how.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Ermak

And if so, then such an article is needed, at least to understand what needs to be built and how.

There is a type of people who lived in the Union and walked as if everything was bad, then everything changed and the same people walk and whine like everything is bad, it was wonderful in the USSR.
At the expense of the article, what do you propose to arrange another revolution, expropriation, build a new USSR? So there will be a new civil war, in 25 years many people have acquired property, built factories, factories, farms. I do not mean the oligarchs, and those who by their own labor, there are already a lot of them in Russia. Yes, and to stare at someone else's, hiding behind the ideas of justice, fraternity is indecent.
Always, with any system, they will be deprived because someone gets up at five in the morning and works hard and someone basks before dinner and then gets up and declares no justice.

[Ermak]

saturn.mmm BY Today, 17:27 ↑ New
Quote: Ermak
And if so, then such an article is needed, at least to understand what needs to be built and how.
There is a type of people who lived in the Union and walked as if everything was bad, then everything changed and the same people walk and whine like everything is bad, it was wonderful in the USSR.

I agree such people have always been. But you know over the years and experience comes.

At the expense of the article, what do you propose to arrange another revolution, expropriation, build a new USSR? So there will be a new civil war, in 25 years many people have acquired property, built factories, factories, farms. I do not mean the oligarchs, and those who by their own labor, there are already a lot of them in Russia. Yes, and to stare at someone else's, hiding behind the ideas of justice, fraternity is indecent.

The creation of a social (fair) state is the biggest problem, and the main question how to solve it without plunging into chaos is also fair.

Always, with any system, they will be deprived because someone gets up at five in the morning and works hard and someone basks before dinner and then gets up and declares no justice.

It’s just that in Russia there have been so many changes over the past century that much can be analyzed. And today, while there is no such analysis and decisions, it is necessary to communicate, to look for the positive in each period, perhaps this is how the ideology that everyone says so about can be born. Therefore, I put a plus article, because it was not fiction, so people lived.

[Turkir]

books you read that censorship missed

What are some of the books or authors that you read after the censorship was lifted?
I took excellent literature in the city library. And, I learned the most detailed and undistorted information from completely official sources.
Two years ago, I went to the regional library in Moscow and found out that books published before 1980 were removed from libraries. I still can’t understand who issued this decree.
It was difficult to deal with tedious literature, the Mir publishing house was late with translations. Books were published five to seven years after their publication, and some of them lost their relevance.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Turkir

What are some of the books or authors that you read after the censorship was lifted?

Part of the novels of Bulgakov, Pasternak. That which is worthwhile for you is not always worthwhile for me and vice versa.
Or are you the ultimate truth?

[Eragon]

I will try to answer you.

Quote: saturn.mmm

The queue for the apartment is 15 years

Yes, but for EVERYONE. If he could - a cooperative system, not a problem. Now the vast majority of citizens are not able to buy an apartment NEVER.

Quote: saturn.mmm

The queue for the car (Lada, Muscovite) -10 years

This is an extreme option, on average 5 years - just to raise money.

Quote: saturn.mmm

The lineup for the TV is 2 of the year.

But this is news - there were enough TVs.

Quote: saturn.mmm

Furniture is a problem, plumbing is a problem, blat, underground workshops, alcohol at an affordable level.

Furniture was not a problem, with GOOD plumbing - yes, it was problematic, like with tile; blat and clandestine productions have now acquired even greater scope, and VODKA WAS FROM WHEAT, and WINE FROM GRAPES, or from real berries and fruits. And there was no shortage of alcohol until Humpback appeared.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Eragon

And there was no shortage of alcohol

You have not read carefully in this regard.

Quote: Eragon

Yes, but for EVERYONE. If he could - a cooperative system, not a problem. Now the vast majority of citizens are not able to buy an apartment NEVER.

Even now there are queues for a cooperative apartment, ask how many apartments in Belarus they buy for themselves, probably be surprised.

[NordUral]

The union was different in its development. And about the apartment - then you had to wait, but now you do not have to wait - no one promises. And not everything was so sad in everything that you so joyfully listed in the Union. Only you say this about a country that has already degraded after Khrushchev and Barin Brezhnev, the real USSR, we did not see, there was a chance of its development from the post-war Union, but Stalin did not have time to shorten the nomenclature of the CPSU.

[EvgNik]

Quote: saturn.mmm

The USSR is a massive deficit at the household level.
The queue for the apartment is 15 years
The queue for the car (Lada, Muscovite) -10 years
The lineup for the TV is 2 of the year.

That liberals drove stamps into your head, so you rewrite them from article to article. If there was a shortage, it was only good books, but then they read almost everything. And then, if desired, you could read what you want. This also added the excitement of hunting for a book. I was looking for one for 2 years. Found. Now she is standing on my shelf (not the same one, the post-perestroika edition) - she never opened it.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: EvgNik

That liberals drove into your head stamps

Dear, I lived for a relatively long time in the USSR. I have never seen what kind of animals such Liberasts are.

[potapych]

it is only in the RSFSR
in the republics there was everything so as not to run away, when they fell off, guest workers appeared

[nycsson]

The main task of a normal socially oriented state is to look after idiots.
First you need to specify the goal. In relation to any state, this is called a general goal or mission. So, it consists in fulfilling the inequality: mortality <fertility! And then there are tasks. One of the tasks is precisely connected with the moral and ethical education of the younger generation. To exclude the upbringing of all sorts of gays and lesbians, for example, etc. Why? Because children are not born from two gays and lesbians! Support the institution of family, motherhood and childhood. For this, the state has a government and ministries in it. Culture, for example, or social development. Which are necessary to block harmful and dangerous factors that affect the population.
What about us? Right. The opposite is true. The booze flows by the river. At every corner tatu and piercings. All overwhelmed with drugs. Mass corruption. This can be seen on the Internet ...... Children are now all with the Internet ...... Something like this ....

[Dembel77]

that this country, the only one, didn’t care about people ...

This country was called - the USSR! And there was such an attitude towards people that we will never see again! I express my personal gratitude to the author of the article. Well done, Bella Rosenfeld (Marina Solovyova), so write on - you’re doing great!

[Combitor]

Quote: Irokez

Turn upside down.

You do not understand the article, which is written for people thinking.

[Cananecat]

Nostalgia for the pioneer camps, subbotniks and mass festivities in May ... with all our wishes, we will not return there any time. In order to build such a society, it is necessary to systematically change the worldview of people over several decades. Who will do this now? Right, no one. A nation around one idea can be united only by one, one big trouble. Such a disaster for Russia at all times has been a war with an external or internal aggressor. It’s not sad, but a fact.

[NordUral]

You know, but a country and a people can reach such a degree of decay and dullness, when no, even terrible misfortune, will make a people out of the population.

[Cananecat]

the most striking thing is that it will not threaten us in the near future. Because the worse they do to us, the better for ourselves. Do you remember the saying "we e .... t, and we are getting stronger"? The West went out on manure doing us nasty things, although in theory it should be the other way around. The better we are, the more we will degrade. They will not understand this for a long time. So we are not threatened with stupefaction in the next 50-100 years.

[NordUral]

Not only the West, and "our" government is working against the country and the people. There are many arguments for this, at least, for example, a new wave of privatization of the military-industrial complex (then they could not destroy it, they took up again as soon as our defense complex got stronger).

[Al1977]

Quote: NordUral

Not only the West, and "our" government is working against the country and the people.

Why then is this nation, against which Putin and his team are acting, so supportive of their president? Can you suggest an alternative?

[CONTROL]

Quote: Canecat

Nostalgia for the pioneer camps, subbotniks and mass festivities in May ... with all our wishes, we will not return there any time.

You - maybe you won’t return! Because - have never been there ...
And I - and now there, "walk" did not go out!
------------
"Soviet" life is a state of mind; and then what is the main thing? So that she was - this very soul!

[BecmepH]

A plus!!! I want to re-read and re-read ... Everything is in the mind, everything is clear.

[grandson of the hero]

A plus!
Before the minus one came here now, that was all. And I can tell children and grandchildren a lot of what they lost and gained in modern society.
Now they will begin to recall the empty store shelves, prohibitions and censorship ... To a greater extent, these are those whom someone told about this and they sacredly believed in it. Let them learn history, do not confuse dates, talk with those who in those conscious lives found those years.
We were for the country and the country was for us

[Scoun]

Quote: Hero's grandson

Now they will begin to recall empty store shelves, prohibitions and censorship ..

1. Now on the shelves 80% of the goods with such a periodic table and a pharmacy "bouquet" of drugs and hormones)))
2. Now there is such freedom of speech that from everywhere and everywhere (and even now you have to filter yourself)
PS
From the conversation of three girls "senior pupils of grade 8" in the school toilet, at first they discussed all the "organs" of their classmates, after which the third declares - you only take in *** and I give both whole and "pleasure" to the "trunk" getting ....
A curtain.
In the city there are a lot of young girls with prams and without husbands ... poor children, who will already grow from them?

[lelikas]

Quote: Scoun

A curtain.

The disadvantages are not mine, I just did not understand - what did you do in the school toilet with eighth graders?

[Scoun]

Quote: lelikas

Quote: Scoun

A curtain.

The disadvantages are not mine, I just did not understand - what did you do in the school toilet with eighth graders?

))) I just had such a circle of contacts: teachers, doctors, um physicists with mathematicians, and all children have children from babies to 18 year old mummies. I write the rest in PM. )))
PS
in the toilet there was a mother who in the booth found a school bell for a break.

[Al1977]

Quote: lelikas

Quote: Scoun

A curtain.

The disadvantages are not mine, I just did not understand - what did you do in the school toilet with eighth graders?

Five points )))))))

[CONTROL]

Quote: the grandson of the hero

Now they will start recalling empty store shelves, prohibitions and censorship ...

So these are those who now live "full counters and obscene!

Quote: the grandson of the hero

To a greater extent, these are those to whom someone told about this and they sacredly believed in it. Let them learn history, do not confuse dates, talk with those who in those conscious lives found those years.

... And now how do they teach stories?
Like Napoleon and Bonaparte - there were glorious Cossacks! - in the 914th in Germany ... they fought! Napoleon - he gloriously slashed with a saber, well, a lance ... But Bonaparte - more and more in a cart with a machine gun ... like Averchenko ...
... Here's a fucking "story" now!

[Al1977]

Quote: Hero's grandson

We were for the country and the country was for us

The products were more natural, people are kinder, more educated and more fun.
And the older generation will say that the best is the time of Stalin.
This is called nostalgia for youth.
Any country and the world as a whole does not stand still. ALL countries in the world and people are changing.
Italians also remember the Roman Empire ... And the Egyptians too))

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: BecmepH

A plus!!! I want to re-read and re-read ... Everything is in the mind, everything is clear.

This is a beautiful fairy tale.

[NordUral]

It is a reality, and fairy tales are now singing to us.

[Alexez]

In the modern "civilized" world, they are just put at the forefront, because they have a unique "inner world", they must deal with its "self-expression", and everything else "sucks" for "losers". Fucked up with a hole in his ass instead of education and culture, he is unlikely to be able to develop, design, calculate and build something in principle. On this and the whole calculation of those who extol this principle and in every possible way cultivate it through the mass media.

[2s1122]

You’re right why you need to get a higher education and something aspiring when you can get all this through the provision of sexual services. And an example of this is the publication about Kasyanov and his joys, although it was always unfortunately. Maybe I see everything so gloomily or this understanding comes with age.

[qQQQ]

Everything is very correct, but "the devil is in the details." And who will determine these rules, and who will say that they are really correct? And won't it be as it was with us, who looked after order, morality, etc. on the list, did he break them in the forefront? I remember the USSR only from the best side, I prove to everyone that then we were probably the most successful in the entire history of the Russian State, but human nature does not tolerate constant dictate and restrictions, maybe unfortunately, and maybe fortunately.

[NordUral]

It was not always like that in the USSR. The country in the 40s, the beginning of the 50s began to unfold towards democracy, but Stalin's death interrupted this impulse. And then everything went completely wrong and we came here, to an incomprehensible country with thieves in power.

[hrapon]

It's true.

[NordUral]

And now you live without limits?

[Uncle lee]

WORD "COMRADE"

Music by I. Kataev
Words by M. Ancharov

My father said to me: "You find yourself a word,
So that it, like a song, leads.
You seek him with faith, hope, love.
And then it will become your destiny.

I searched in heaven and in the midst of smoke conflagration,
In green glades and in dead ash.
Only it seems to me better than the word "Comrade"
I did not find anything on this earth.

In this word, fate until the last breath,
In this word, the hope of earthly cities.
With this word, the era rose to the saint -
The red sail of hope of the twenties.

The battalions get up, the horses flail hay,
And the pipe screamed in a cold chain.
And a frosty night in a snow-covered blanket
I was reminded of the stomp in the distant steppe.

Horses and children roam the blue colors
We will settle in this sacred land.
There is purity in heaven, there are girls like wind
They sway in the saddles, sing "Grenada".

[CONTROL]

Quote: Uncle Lee

WORD "COMRADE"

Music by I. Kataev
Words by M. Ancharov

From the TV serial "Day by Day", Soviet - still black and white!
People then did not stick off the screens, waited for the next episode, in stores during the show it was empty ... Director - Vsevolod Shilovsky, better known as an actor.
... Where there is "Game of Thrones"!

[jekasimf]

Great article! I took it to my page on Vkontakte. Naturally, with a link to the site and the author!

[Velizariy]

Everything is true in the article. But! The Soviet people nevertheless chose Coca-Cola and Emmanuel’s boobs and the opportunity to have a neighbor, Galya, and all whom she wanted. The country collapsed. It is not enough to exclude the choice, an internal permanent, UNCHARGEABLE deterrent is necessary, which the Soviet people did not have. He simply had no choice, but the choice was eventually received and made. Until now, naked beauties on posters and generally everywhere. But whoever has a deterrent unchanged over time, although it is very difficult for him, he retains a person in himself, and not a consumer who does not have a mind.

[mem1963]

And so it was.

[ava09]

(c) Yes, at least 95% of the population of our planet is domestic, etc., etc.
I agree, this is not the most successful first phrase for the article, but the fact remains, and we have to reckon with it. (C)
These words are the best proof of the author. Just because ~ 95% of the world's population is domestic and not only, etc. - This is not the best first phrase for the article. The only drawback of such materials is that they are few. This is again because it is true that the statement about 95% is valid and few people think about true values. With respect to Marina Solovyova.

[Starina_hank]

More truly, 95% of the population of our country are household IDDOTTK. .

[Starina_hank]

More truly, 95% of the population of our country are household IDDOTTK. .

[Archikah]

Now our country can be saved only by vesting V.V. Putin's dictatorial powers. Liberoids and the fifth column. Nationalists and other perverts. Mujahideen. They will not allow anything to return, or to form a socialized state. Therefore - only a dictator, as in ancient Rome. Everything else is either a compromise or from the evil one.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Archikah

Now our country can be saved only by vesting V.V. Putin's dictatorial powers

He has had these powers for at least 10 years. AND?

[nycsson]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

He has had these powers for at least 10 years. AND?

Even more. No one has had such authority yet.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

He has had these powers for at least 10 years. AND?

This article is for alternative reality, it was beautiful on paper but forgot about the ravines.

[NordUral]

And if he himself is the main liberalist? Then we loop in after that?

[nycsson]

Quote: NordUral

And if he himself is the main liberalist?

That's it!

Quote: NordUral

Then we loop in after that?

No .... you need everyone to have their brains in place ....

[Al1977]

Quote: nycsson

No .... you need everyone to have their brains in place ....

Who needs?

[Al1977]

Quote: NordUral

And if he himself is the main liberalist? Then we loop in after that?

Yes.

[made13]

Authority is needed, as is responsibility. But the saddest thing is that there is no ideology and mechanism for the implementation of this ideology in Russia.

[igorspb]

I completely agree with the author about 95% ....

[Monster_Fat]

The article is correct and timely, but I'm afraid the advocates of "freedom of choice and personality" will not understand it. In essence, capitalism does the same - it creates structures that nurture the office plankton it needs, labor and consumers, and this wraps it in a beautiful "wrapper" of "freedom of choice and personality." However, in fact, in capitalism there are two huge, disguised by the verbal "crap" about "freedoms" that limit everything and all, "untouchable private property", and "freedom within the law" about which any capitalist "freedom" is "broken" ...

[lwxx]

To deprive people of the possibility of the wrong choice is good And who decides what is good and what is not? Thanks passed. All those who decided how we live lived in a completely different way. To step on the same rake? The author is a utopian.

[Victor-M]

Quote: lwxx

To deprive people of the possibility of the wrong choice is good And who decides what is good and what is not? Thanks passed. All those who decided how we live lived in a completely different way. To step on the same rake? The author is a utopian.

No, you are a respected utopian, a naive person, if you think that somewhere in the world there are countries where people live as they wish, but in the USSR they tried to send people to live according to moral laws, even without all the current material excesses that only put off people apart, bringing envy and contention.

[lwxx]

What are the moral laws? You don’t think so, in a psychiatric hospital, you ask a lot of questions, a dissident. When you teach people morality, be kind enough to correspond yourself! And I don’t have to tell tales about the USSR, I'm not 15 years old. I’m not saying that everything is right and good now, but the old memory is still alive.

[Victor-M]

Not so you think, in a psychiatric hospital, you ask a lot of questions, a dissident.

Is it different in the "democratic" West? They don't put them in a psychiatric hospital, they immediately write them down as terrorists and put them in prison for five life sentences. The memory you say is alive, it seems that it is selectively alive.

And you don't need to tell fairy tales about the USSR, I'm not 15 years old.

Probably 43.

Quote: lwxx

When you teach people morality, be so kind as to match yourself!

Do you know me personally to judge what and to whom should I correspond? It’s just people like you who teach everyone to live according to their own patterns, and if it doesn’t work out, then they scream like pigs about the violation of their rights, which is happening at the moment.

[lwxx]

First of all, I'm not rude to you. Be able to read, and do not row everything on yourself. With age almost guessed 45, you have more and selective memory, I remember good, no bad. Unfortunately, there is no desire for further communication with people whose arguments boil down to insults and rudeness.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Victor-M

They don't put them in a psychiatric hospital, they immediately write them down as terrorists and put them in prison for five life sentences.

Tell us how you got out, suddenly it will come in handy in life.

[Victor-M]

Quote: saturn.mmm

Quote: Victor-M

They don't put them in a psychiatric hospital, they immediately write them down as terrorists and put them in prison for five life sentences.

Tell us how you got out, suddenly it will come in handy in life.

I'd rather tell you how not to get in, stay at home.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Victor-M

I'd rather tell you how not to get in, stay at home.

So I did not understand what you have more experience in, you hit more or sat at home?

[Victor-M]

You don't think so - to the psychiatric hospital,

Do you consider it the norm to impose same-sex marriages, and representatives of gay and pedophiles, which is legalized in the West, by healthy people?

you ask a lot of questions, a dissident.

A lot has already been said about this, and the dissidents themselves are ashamed not to know about it.
Now the same dissidents are speaking in the face of a non-systemic opposition and their presence in the power structures is not ruled out, therefore it is better to show excessive vigilance than to choke on blood.

[private64]

lwxx - y. The states also had punitive psychiatry, even lobotomies were done to individual "non-criminals". Not to mention the wolf-ticket layoffs.
And Guantanomo? And murder and kidnapping all over the planet?
It is ridiculous to hope that other methods are on its territory.
And labor camps during the years of the Great Depression, which built roads throughout the United States for $ 1 a day, well, and 2-4 million Americans (according to their own data) who died of hunger just then?
And the forced confiscation of gold by Roosevelt from the population on pain of 10 years in prison?
This is just offhand.
Somehow, the situation of the people in the USSR after that does not look so terrible, clogged and hopeless, right?

[CONTROL]

Quote: Victor-M

but in the USSR people tried to send people to live according to moral laws, albeit without all the current material excesses that only alienate people from each other, bringing envy and contention.

... And even with the "material excesses" of gingerbread - resources! - wow! planets! - not enough for everyone!

[NordUral]

And in the light of democracy, is it not for the people that some dark people decide everything?

[ava09]

Quote: lwxx

To deprive people of the possibility of the wrong choice is good All those who decided how we should live lived quite differently. To step on the same rake? The author is a utopian.

As long as there are these "95%", they all live not the life that those who govern them live. And it doesn't matter - socialism, capitalism, in what state. The main thing is "95%" and the shepherd. Unless Stalin had nothing, except for boots and a jacket, he is a saint in terms of asceticism ...

[lwxx]

I absolutely agree with you, unfortunately this is life. Much depends on the shepherd, but the flock can also change the fate, and not always for the better. Sometimes realization comes late, if at all. Some live with blinkers in their eyes.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: ava09

The main thing is "95%" and the shepherd

Why do god need boots?

[Julio Jurenito]

And everything is correct. Protection of the fool from himself, moreover active, and not passive, like the inscription in the passport of a household appliance: "Do not stop the chainsaw with your hands and genitals!"

[CONTROL]

Quote: Julio Jurenito

And everything is correct. Protection of the fool from himself, moreover active, and not passive, like the inscription in the passport of a household appliance: "Do not stop the chainsaw with your hands and genitals!"

... And I - stopped!
... and nothing - trying to live! ...

[magician]

article in credit! Thoughts and analysis are correct. I don’t see the conclusions, what actions does the author offer for treatment of 95%? I believe that you need to start with yourself, your children.

[Sober]

Quote: wizard

I believe that you need to start with yourself, your children.

Thanks for this comment, exactly! Totally agree with you! Do not scream, there are all bribe takers, thieves, bureaucrats, but start with yourself. And then give me only the opportunity, I will immediately do it all myself.

[CONTROL]

Quote: wizard

article in credit! Thoughts and analysis are correct. I don’t see the conclusions, what actions does the author offer for treatment of 95%? I believe that you need to start with yourself, your children.

Maybe - from the author of the article? ...

[ava09]

Quote: wizard

article in credit! Thoughts and analysis are correct. I don’t see the conclusions, what actions does the author offer for treatment of 95%? I believe that you need to start with yourself, your children.

What is the reason? -)))

[Hubun]

Everything is true, sad, damn it ...

[AdekvatNICK]

in any case, it depends less on the authorities than on the parents. Show an example to the child, teach him to make a choice not in favor of the house-2. The root of all problems is education.

[Mobik]

If all the idiots are driven into paradise, sooner or later they will destroy it. An example of the USSR symbolizes kakbe.

[jekasimf]

But I don’t understand, but why is Marina Solovieva worse than Bella Rosenfeld?

[Bath]

This is a complex)))

[CONTROL]

Quote: jekasimf

But I don’t understand, but why is Marina Solovieva worse than Bella Rosenfeld?

Can I have "Marie Lirondel" ... with a French prononce!

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: jekasimf

But I don’t understand, but why is Marina Solovieva worse than Bella Rosenfeld?

They will not read Marina Solovyev in the West.

[Cat]

That's only seven babysitters left a child unattended. It's like in boxing: relax - get straight to the head.
It's nice to plunge into the waters of the Nostalgia River, which are already in the distant past irrevocably. But now we need more analysis of the mistakes made and a plan of actions that guide society along the path of creation and development.

[rotmistr60]

The article is good, the author's empathy is felt both about the elderly and about the so-called "new generation" and about those who are exposed and about those who are really sick. Correct emphasis on the fact that local "fools" (and often dangerous mental patients) need an eye, and a serious one. And thanks for the kind nostalgia for the USSR.

[CONTROL]

Quote: rotmistr60

the author's empathy is felt both for the elderly and for the so-called "new generation" and for those who are exposed, and for those who are really sick.

Why should they "empathize"? Well, I'm an old man! I myself can "empathize" so that it will not seem a little ...
But about "exposed" and "sick" I remember the phrase of Ilf and Petrov: "suffered from alcoholism painfully for others."

[kursk87]

People living under the USSR in social terms were much better protected than now. There was no huge gap between the incomes of citizens (with the exception of the criminal incomes of citizens who weren’t at hand), future parents knew that their unborn child would be provided with a place in a kindergarten, receive a free education, and there would be no problems with work. People believed in tomorrow, tried for the good of the people and their country. As a result, thanks to the treacherous policies of Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their inner circle, the USSR collapsed, a geopolitical catastrophe occurred, the consequences of which we are still experiencing. People were forced to believe in Western false values, where the first thing is my own well-being, and like the rest, I do not care. In the 90s the word patriot almost became obscene.

[Winnie76]

As I understand it, Marina Solovyova considers herself to be among these very 5% of high intellectuals. To the "creative intelligentsia". Who in the USSR for some reason categorically protested against the dictate of the state how they should live, with whom to live, what to read, what to watch on TV, where to go on vacation, where to work after university. Inconsistently somehow ...

With all the pluses of the USSR, I prefer to determine my own life and that the state does not go in there, even with the best intentions

[Dali]

Quote: Winnie76

With all the pluses of the USSR, I prefer to determine my own life and that the state does not go in there, even with the best intentions

Well, maybe you are in those 5 percent

Quote: Winnie76

As I understand it, Marina Solovyova considers herself to be among these very 5% of high intellectuals. To the "creative intelligentsia". Who in the USSR for some reason categorically protested against the dictate of the state how they should live, with whom to live, what to read, what to watch on TV, where to go on vacation, where to work after university. Inconsistently somehow ...

Actually, there was every kind of creative intelligentsia, for example, Sergey Pavlovich Invincible — or do you not attribute him to the creative intelligentsia?

And who then, in your opinion, is the creative intelligentsia?

[user3970]

Do we live in the taiga? In the caves? German Sterligov? Not ?

[Tambov Wolf]

I read the article, the signature, who wrote it, read it very carefully and realized that under the beautiful wrapper of the candy is hidden, as always, "God's chosen" poop. Is the author really taking our people for the mentally retarded? And without a cudgel, we don't mean anything ourselves? If everything is so hard, then why did the people in the main mass not accept “American and gay European values?” But the “author” strongly convinces us of this. Perhaps the environment in the “author” is such? , but to expose all people as rams who should go to the slaughterhouse after the goat, at least disrespect for the people and the country in which you live. But the "chosen of God" do not care about that.

[Dali]

Quote: Tambov Wolf

I read the article, the signature, who wrote it, read it very carefully and realized that under the beautiful wrapper of the candy is hidden, as always, "God's chosen" poop. Is the author really taking our people for the mentally retarded? And without a cudgel, we don't mean anything ourselves? If everything is so hard, then why did the people in the main mass not accept “American and gay European values?” But the “author” strongly convinces us of this. Perhaps the environment in the “author” is such? , but to expose all people as rams who should go to the slaughterhouse after the goat, at least disrespect for the people and the country in which you live. But the "chosen of God" do not care about that.

Here, of course, only the "general trend" is described ...
Still, this is about the whole world ("Yes, at least 95% of the population of our planet is household."), So to speak, the average temperature. Somewhere you can't get half a percent, but somewhere ... well, it is clear that this does not mean that 95% is 100% "Household Idiots", but 5% with 0% "household idiocy" ...

One thing is bad, the link in the article to the USSR (well, to Russia in fact) ... but it would be necessary to link to a completely different country ...

And of course, in modern realities, people in Russia can bring up to 95% state.

[Dali]

Something did not please someone, duck ... hey citizen-comrade-mister can write something, but the identity is not clear ...

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Dali

Something did not please someone, duck ... hey citizen-comrade-mister can write something, but the identity is not clear ...

Maybe you’ll write something to someone like your identity.

[Starina_hank]

Unfortunately, at least 40-50% of our people didn’t even accept garbage collection for themselves, and the rest do not even know where to throw it!

[pavelty]

"You are 16, you are a juvenile opesdol" - laughed for a long time)) And I liked it very much, but unfortunately about 95% is rather true ...

[Starina_hank]

Correctly say6 "opizdol".

[Starina_hank]

Correctly say6 "opizdol".

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: pavlentiy

"You are 16, you are a juvenile opesdol" - laughed for a long time)) And I liked it very much, but unfortunately about 95% is rather true ...

Are you five or ninety-five?

[Tanya]

I agree with the author. In the Soviet Union, we lived like "in Christ's bosom." Unfortunately, this understanding came only after its destruction. Anyway, to me.

[Anglorussian]

Life then was like a landing boot, warm, comfortable, safe, but the spirit musty.

In the Soviet Union, we lived like "in Christ's bosom."

[V.ic]

Nostalgia...
"Ah, time, Soviet times!
As you recall, it’s warm in the heart,
And you comb thoughtfully the crown:
Where did this time go?

The morning greeted us with coolness
The country arose with glory.
What else did we need
What, sorry, why the hell ?!

One could get drunk on the ruble,
Take the metro for a dime
And in the sky, the lightning shone
Blinking communism lighthouse.

And we were all humanists
And anger was alien to us,
And even filmmakers
Loved each other then.

Chic, shine, paradise!
Peace Labor may!

And women gave birth to citizens
And Lenin lit up their path.
Then they planted these citizens,
They planted those who planted.

And we were the center of the universe
And we built for centuries.
Members waved to us from the rostrum
Such a native Central Committee.

Cabbage, potatoes and lard,
Love, Komsomol and spring!
What did the goats lack?
What a country was gone!

We changed the awl to soap,
Having exchanged a prison for a mess.
Why do we need someone else's tequila ?!
We had a wonderful shmurdyk. "

Timur Shaov "Soviet tango"

[Riv]

"Us goats"? Well, no one pulled the poet's tongue. He defined himself.

[V.ic]

Quote: Riv

Well, no one pulled the tongue of the poet. I defined myself

Well, it’s like a repentance for something he didn’t personally do, but an act undoubtedly criminal (the collapse of the USSR), in which ALL of our then society took a passive part. "No support for the vile GKChP?"
I will continue: You personally did not defend the White House in 1993? So I was not honored, because I am not a Muscovite ... But nevertheless, our part of the guilt from both of us is not removed.

[Pvi1206]

Debilitation of the population is now the state policy of many countries, including Russia.
Preparations are underway for the coming of the Antichrist Mashiach ...
It is not regrettable, but it is inevitable.
You can only postpone this event for some time.
But do not lose heart.
Mashiach will rule only 3 years, and then - The Second Coming of I. Christ.
Save your souls for eternal life. Save yourself and thousands will be saved around you ...

[Al1977]

Quote: Pvi1206

Debilitation of the population is now the state policy of many countries, including Russia.
Preparations are underway for the coming of the Antichrist Mashiach ...
It is not regrettable, but it is inevitable.
You can only postpone this event for some time.
But do not lose heart.
Mashiach will rule only 3 years, and then - The Second Coming of I. Christ.
Save your souls for eternal life. Save yourself and thousands will be saved around you ...

You get to 95% about which article.

[Pvi1206]

I do not suffer from dependence on the opinions of other people ...

[Winnie76]

Maximum protection against the fool only in jail. Even the shoelaces are pulled out of sin and that does not help much. Only normal people try to get out of there. I wish Marina Solovyeva to live in such a society, and I somehow enjoy the freedom of choice than her absence.

[sharkmen]

Hello. I think the article is justified, although I did not like the rules of life in the days of the USSR. the only thing that is missing is suggestions for what can be done. I don’t have them either, but I’m not writing articles yet

[Riv]

The author, of course, does not attribute himself to 95% of idiots? But in vain ... :)

As for the USSR, now there are much less drunk on the streets than, for example, in the 80s. Either it became harder to live, or natural selection worked - I don’t know. But fact is fact. The last couple of years, perhaps I haven’t watched a single one.

[AdekvatNICK]

You are 16, you are a young man, you want jeans, chewing gum, a Kiss poster, a magazine with naked boobs, a marlboro block, a neighbor Galya, a moped, sleep until noon and masturbate at the movie Emmanuelle, but after studying you have an airplane modeling club, swimming , three times a week, a music school, and then another subbotnik and waste paper collection. ))))))))

[alean245]

Yes, at least 95% of the world's population is household.

I understand that everyone who agrees with this statement considers themselves to be the remaining 5% of the population. Which are naive however .

The main task of a normal socially oriented state is to look after idiots.

But if 95% of the world's population is id ... you, then it turns out that id ... you have to keep an eye on the id ... there?

[Bashibuzuk]

The article is interesting.
Just now.....
One country - the USSR - forced people to be smart and talented ... and not jerkers.
And another country - the USSR - in 1985 suddenly declared that everyone is free, everything that is not forbidden is allowed.
And what country will we pray to?
And why all of a sudden, the second country on the list, with all its population, well, let’s take 95% of the population for rounding-so famously rushed .. to the same drochery and 16-year-old opsdols. Massively, without exception.
Why all these friends suddenly rebelled against the Emergency Committee? After all, this "committee of trembling hands" just wanted to return to the first country on the list, the USSR.
...
And it turns out a strange thing - ... someone, then, makes alcoholics in the LTP, and who wants to sing - to the boiler room. Or, in the opposite direction. does so. what eliminates these same LTP and those who want to sing - brings to the stage ... on credit there, or for the availability of the "trunk". If you want to sing, sing, but prepare your cheek ...
...
If only it would have been indicated in the article - who are they who twirl like this, then twist it differently.
...
And the Ten Commandments, and the Moral Code of the builder of communism - one to one. In practice.
So annoying that even in our office there was one person who sculpted the Ten Commandments of Gazprom workers.
Talent, damn it.
Toka now seems to me that for the money you can make another couple dozen commandments - depending on the amount paid.
...
Man is a social animal.
And the concept - FASHION - refers not only to blouses, jackets. And quite a notion of Mathematical Statistics.
As well as dispersion.
And all this together is inextricably linked with human behavior in society.
Fashion is like that.
And tomorrow - another will be.
"Trunks" will slam shut.
...
It’s a pity only one, to the grinding of teeth is a pity.
My youth is the USSR.
I am sad in my youth!
And because time fell on the time of the mature USSR - doubly sadder.

[bk316]

Quote: Bashibuzuk

I am sad in my youth!
And because time fell on the time of the mature USSR - doubly sadder.

But I'm not sad. A person is as much as he feels. As they say, everything around has become old and sick, and I’m all young and beautiful, so I’ll die.
I started skiing at 36 for 13 years, riding so much for 3 lives is enough. Now he knocked the knee to smithereens, half a year on crutches, the iron of their legs was removed - I will continue from the place where I fell.

And the article is correct, that is how it was.

[Bashibuzuk]

Pancake. ammunition 316 ... hello.
I still feel myself for 25 years.
So what?
Let the knees not bend from gout, let the elbows crunch. But out of 32 teeth in the presence of 31, a little tweaked, and CHF.
I still, in the mornings, carry out the charging complex that my father taught me, who served in ... NA ..Western Ukraine in 1956-1958 (the first of the 3 pilots left two years later).
...
The other is scary.
I was the same absurdity when MY MOTHERLAND ahead of all burst into Space.
It burst in. No one there was waiting for Man.
I was already that same opesdol, although I had never seen "Emmanuel", when MY HOMELAND drove a lunar tractor on the Moon - in manual mode. And then the second one.
Americans, by the way, didn’t pull such a technology!
MY MOTHERLAND - USSR - at that time planted research stations on Venus. But the Americans, they are healthy, they have not mastered the pressure or aggressiveness of the environment.
I was already a cadet when MY MOTHERLAND ended the war in Vietnam ... and continued in Syria, Angola, Afghanistan.
...
MY HOMELAND, my youth ..was a great state.
Which was reckoned with.
Which was feared.
...
What have we become now.
"Polite" people ... and ... LDNR.
Some kind of lice, like Charlie Ebdo, hones his wit on us ...
Drugan Kirya ... oh, Kerry ... then kisses with Lavrov, then the next morning he says - damn it, Russia again does not fulfill its duties in Minsk.
What are the responsibilities as well?
...
Fearfully. I'm just scared.
...
The article is too optimistic to be TRUE.
And I have long lost points somewhere.
Pink
...
And the whole layout.

[Arkan]

And therefore, before accusing me of terry snobbery, albeit justifiably, take a look around.

The article is great! Thanks to the author! Yours is not snobbery, but critical realism.

[Aleksander]

To deprive people of opportunity wrong choice is a blessing, not a limitation of freedom.

Is this exalted lady going to determine WHAT is right and WHAT IS NOT? Or a collection of a narrow circle of some old-timers? What a fright? And here .... ....!
The state can only PROMOTE and encourage the positive, and not FORBIDDEN. Everything else is regulated by Codes. And it is right.

If you give him a choice between Dom-2 and the astronomy program, between Enrique Caruso and Timati, between working as a teacher in a rural school or selling garbage in a beautiful office, between studying for a microbiologist or a fast career star of a reality show,

I will tell the author in secret, the same thing happened under the USSR, only more secretively and necessarily, with a gracious hypocritical face physiognomy. Where did the fans of "Let's get married" and the others Malakhovs come from? Did they fall from Mars, or what? From there they, from the Union.

In general, the USSR resembled a large Kindergartenwhere we, thoughtless, were told when to eat, when to sleep

Yeah educators of this garden at this time pumped up with vodka with terribly harmful numbness, gorged themselves on cholesterol and ruined their health in special stores and at special events, engaged in wild consumption abroad, fucked left and right, sat down and ruined rivals and ... smiling sweetly sugary, they said to the "kids": -It is impossible! "

[Mihail1383]

On Military Review will soon publish articles by schoolchildren and all kinds of crooks. The author, probably a young girl who has an idea of ​​the USSR from childhood memories and Soviet films. The categoricalness, emotionality and simplicity of judgments in the article, cause only a condescending smile. Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich comes to mind, who suggested that Professor Preobrazhensky take everything and divide it up. The author, journalism is clearly not your calling.

[Wheel]

Quote: Mihail1383

Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich comes to mind, who suggested that Professor Preobrazhensky take everything and divide it up.

Is it nothing that the Sharikovs took everything in 92 and are still sharing among themselves?

[89094415930]

In general, I agree with the meaning of the article. But somehow there was a residue of rejection in my soul. Just curious - Mrs. Bella Rosenfeld, to whom does she refer? Are they smart or beautiful? And what is the idea? Return to kindergarten? Stir up 1917 again? The US was heading for more than 200 years. We have been floundering in this for 15-17 years. We were LUCKY with the leader of the country (or we might not have been lucky: after Yeltsin, people could be pulled anywhere, as long as there was at least bread on the table), but, unfortunately, out of 5% of "not idiots" in the country's leadership, God forbid 0,001% ... In general, all that I said was lyrics. The main thing is how you can ache with your heart and soul for your people and call them IDIOTS ?!
PS Okay, I agree, I persuaded. May I be just "pretty" and Mrs Bella "smart"

[drilled]

Quote: 89094415930

The main thing is how you can hurt your heart and soul for your people and call them IDIOTS ?!

"I love Russia, but with a strange love.
My mind will not defeat her ... "
Is this calm more understandable?

[Al1977]

"Yes, at least 95% of the population of our planet is household ***" - this is especially noticeable in many comments here (just kidding)))))
By the way, where did the author get such data? So how then to conduct voting, referendums? 86% of the population vote for Putin, and 95% are household ***? Explains a lot ... How to include protection from the "fool" in the presidential or State Duma elections?

[drilled]

The hand does not rise to write "+100500". I would like to say "Bravo!"

[marlin1203]

Handsomely. But socialism, as the highest stage in the development of society, or communism (in its extreme form), is for conscious, highly educated people, and even with an altruism. Look for these now ... on that in general, the USSR was burnt. Unfortunately...

[CONTROL]

The article is 50% snobbish!
... And I do not like snobs so much that the rest of 50% - nostalgia (ideologically sustained, politically literate and ethically grounded!) I took with difficulty, although - "born in the USSR", passed the "crucibles", "pipes" and all sorts there "rails" ... right up to the "bullet-fool, bayonet-fellow" ... and te teh!
Well, I do not like it when they slander people! These same 95% of the population of our planet is domestic idiots , by the way - every God's day going to work (even if it is - "in office" - of the cursed bureaucracy!), every day - around the clock and continuously - producing what we all - aha, gone! - we eat, we drink, we put shoes on our feet, we put on ours - alas! not always slender and beautiful - bodies ... tights there ... sorry, panties, ... pads ... socks ... and stuff! We clean, you know, teeth (who have remained after immoderate sweets ...), wash our face with soap ... use colognes, perfumes and deodorants in order to seem more attractive to the "opposite sex" ... Oh yes! we use condoms ... "product number 2" - family planning, if cho!
In short, all these 95% of household idiots They do not hesitate to sow the rational, the good, the eternal - and reap the fruits of these crops, which fruits everyone consumes with gusto! and even those who "do not sow and do not reap", but are snobbish in articles on the Internet under flowery pseudonyms of dubious quality ... Arthur Rosenblum ... Karl Astroboy ... and to Adolf Schicklgruber and Mashenka Saltychikha it will not take long to limp!
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... And nostalgia for the USSR - and for the absence of a state ideology and a "national-national" idea - they were still called "spiritual bonds" - yes, many have it; I myself am a sinner - and I do not repent of this sin! ...
"Prohibition", so colorfully described by the author, partly led to the current situation - don’t you think? ... It also partly limited such important aspects of human culture as freedom of creativity - well, yes, this is not without chaff! but grains, sometimes pearl ones, were rotten!
Attempts are being made to restore - let the elements! - ideology, state-forming ideas; But after all, they themselves allowed this chaos! In capitalism, "ideological censorship" is present quite clearly, and no one is ashamed of it, they call things by their proper names - THEY - VS - WE!
So they killed the social network in vain ...
... for this I will stop the permitted (or perhaps illegal?) comments ...

[epsilon571]

Great article, and made fun, and gave reason to think. Finally, people begin to understand what they have lost, and what they may never return.

Let's speak frankly, this is exactly what the current government does not want, replacing obvious values ​​with a desire for profit and philistine indifference. After all, it is these idiots that are easier to manage, it is easier to steal their values ​​in the name of their own pockets, and for the more thoughtful, there is the "National Guard" and sweet songs once a year. Do people really want such a future? Probably not all fools in our Fatherland!

This year May 1st is a double holiday. Along with Orthodox Christians, laboring people will also stand on the streets of many cities to defend their rights, join them. This is our holiday, and until it is taken away, we have something to defend and fight for.

[bober1982]

It's not entirely clear why ... along with Orthodox Christians on the streets of many cities will come out and working people to defend their rights ....
Where did you get that on the streets (Orthodox)? and in the same row?
MAY 1, I must say, is a very specific holiday, I mean the date.

[CONTROL]

Quote: bober1982

It's not entirely clear why ... along with Orthodox Christians on the streets of many cities will come out and working people to defend their rights ....
Where did you get that on the streets (Orthodox)? and in the same row?
MAY 1, I must say, is a very specific holiday, I mean the date.

... because - Easter! May 1st fell this year; if you want to - sort it out in the Orthodox Church calendar ...

[bober1982]

Defend your rights or what, on the streets on Easter? together with the workers?

[Al1977]

Quote: epsilon571

Let's say directly, this is exactly what the current government does not want, replacing us with obvious values ​​with a desire for profit and philistine indifference

This is since when the government wants YOUR profit. She thinks of her own, and you are invited as a national idea - patriotism. Putin's words. Spirituality to the people - loot for officials. Everything as people want. Therefore, the rating is 86%

[Taoist]

I don’t know why, during the publication process, the moderators removed my opening comment and title ...
And I called all this "protection from the fool" - as an engineer, I can clearly see the analogy of this mechanism as applied to society.
And the question is not about "backing the USSR" - the question is about recreating this protective mechanism. Unfortunately, the modern economic model is based on what we call "consumerism"; a society based on consumption will inevitably slide down intellectually and culturally. By the way, those who suffer from "freedom of creativity" should also recall that ancient "maxim that" an artist must be hungry "- have modern" free kulturtragers "created at least something approaching the level of" those who worked in dungeons "? the matter is not in the "state idea" but in the "canalization" (ie collection and distribution) of the very energy of society (which is now being wasted) on something useful for that very society.

[ydjin]

No matter how they scolded the "accursed Soviet past", people were really, socially protected better! Plus to the author, she voiced what we know and think! People who had a USSR passport. Great Country, Great Deeds of People!

[Al1977]

Quote: ydjin

No matter how much they scolded the "damned Soviet past", people were really, socially protected better!

And in the decaying West, in Switzerland, for example, why are they no worse protected now, with a completely different ideology than under the USSR, maybe it's not about ideology, but about the attitude of the authorities to their citizens?

[demiurg]

Does the illusion of equal opportunity and imaginary freedom seem better than obvious limitations? I once quarreled with my older sister after teleconferences with Posner, remember those? I tried to prove that from changing the formation we would not suddenly become rich, and my sister foaming at the mouth argued that very soon everyone will have a car and will go on vacation to the Bahamas, but we will live in a separate cottage. The funny thing is, it’s easy for me to object to the many people who now have a cottage, a couple of cars in the family and a vacation destination are chosen around the globe. But what is the percentage of such people in Russia? And how many people ended up on the street, or simply disappeared, because they had an apartment in Moscow and had no relatives?
I do not consider myself to be unique, and therefore I am sure that in the USSR I would have lived better. I lived there for 17 years, and I do not regret it.
So the article +

[Igor V]

As for the kindergarten - I do not agree. The kindergarten does not imply initiative on the part of the pupils, and I was taught in mathematics at school a creative approach to each task. During the war, the main trump card of the Red Army was non-standard thinking. The Germans could not oppose anything to this. And other great achievements of the USSR - from grandiose hydroelectric power plants to space flights - all were based on the creativity of thousands of Soviet people.

[Al1977]

Quote: Igor V

Yes, and other great achievements of the USSR - from grandiose hydroelectric power stations to flights into space - all were based on the work of thousands of Soviet people.

Then we had to come up with Windows, Apple, Facebook and Mercedes ... How did those deprived individuals come up with all this, and we only have to sell gas and shove money offshore?

[Mwg]

For Al1977. imagine, and they were invented by immigrants from the USSR, well, except for Mercedes.

[Al1977]

Quote: MVG

For Al1977. imagine, and they were invented by immigrants from the USSR, well, except for Mercedes.

And didn’t you think of it here?

[Igor V]

Quote: Al1977

Quote: Igor V

Yes, and other great achievements of the USSR - from grandiose hydroelectric power stations to flights into space - all were based on the work of thousands of Soviet people.

Then we had to come up with Windows, Apple, Facebook and Mercedes ... How did those deprived individuals come up with all this, and we only have to sell gas and shove money offshore?

You will be surprised, but the Orbit system was launched in 1965 - the prototype of the Internet, and the military network even earlier. What is "Yabloko" I really do not understand, I will not answer. Facebook was not needed then: "... today is not a personal thing ...". And our Volgas were quite competitive with Mercedes in third countries.
You are not looking there, gas and offshore are modernity.

[Al1977]

Quote: Igor V

You will be surprised, but the Orbit system was launched in 1965 - the prototype of the Internet, and the military network even earlier.

But you are not using Orbit.
I'm not saying that we couldn't do something. I say that to say that we are somehow special, and they are stupid, to put it mildly, is not entirely true.
As for everyday things for people, what an ordinary person needs, the West has been and remains better than our enterprises.
We may have had the Internet, but the Americans, not the Russians, were able to make it a world property.

[Igor V]

What is now raised to the banner, placed at the forefront and called "values", at the time of these was called philistinism. This word was equivalent to a swear word, and there were even people proving that a tradesman is a simple city dweller. Therefore, no matter how much you compare sour with hot, nothing will come of it. "Values" have changed.

[Winter cherry]

Because Stalin did not press the 5th column.

[Anglorussian]

Australia lives on the export of resources and not especially for the Jewets.

[Jackking]

A typical example of new thinking, when the iPhone is the only reference point.
For information - at that time (and this was in the 70-90s of the twentieth century), when Apple products were considered a sign of unconventional orientation (take the trouble to compare the pederast flag with a real, colored, apple symbol), the USSR owned the only orbital station, which, according to the insistence of people. like the author, drowned. to get a new iPhone. And now the iPhone is considered to be cool - however, in 99% of cases it is an order of magnitude smarter than the owner :)))
And even now the homeland of the iPhone is buying rocket engines from Russia.

[Anglorussian]

When I tell iPhone addicts that they are handed out for free in the West and they crawl in color, the shock shakes even through my bad Internet.

iPhone is considered to be cool

[Zhnec]

Stupid. You. IPhone addicts won't understand you ... They are American addicts!

[AVV86]

And there is nothing to add.

[Russia]

As they say + 100500.
All right.
Now if there are no brains - a nose ring to stand out!
The director, instead of studying the history, shows us "his vision" based on the opuses of SOLZHENITSYN and similar Suvorov-rezuns.
Office plankton-managers, instead of real work, are engaged in ISD (imitation of violent activity) in the form of "presentations" and "projects". At the same time interfering with those who really work.
Television is already sickening to watch. But "people hawala" this dump.
I do not argue - freedom of choice is needed! And in this case, we initially underestimate the bar of choice for a failed primary education.
Like it or not, the Soviet school was the best in the world. And let the liberals try to deny that in the 90 years the whole world was chasing after our brains, despite their ADVANCED western school.

[Valter1364]

When I worked in the merchant fleet, the ships' staff included first mates, also known as pompolitians or commissars. And there was one particularly responsible comrade who every evening at 21:00 tried to send the entire crew to their cabins with wishes of “Good night!”
But in general, Marina, you are smart!
The article is kind and reasonable, but there must be moderation in everything.

[Chisayna]

Now a propeyssor will appear and pour a bunch of slop on the “scoop” - the best country in the world, Soviet education, etc.

[a housewife]

95% of the world are idiots? Personally, when I look out the window, I don’t see so many idiots. Although I don’t live at the lighthouse. But not in a metropolis. And in Moscow, apparently, just such a picture is visible through the window. But who can be seen there? People are generally more likely to be at home or at work than on the street. Yes, many are naive and not very educated, but they clearly do not deserve such insults. Who is this author? Where does she go, what does she see? If only idiots, then such is her environment. She sees and despises the office plankton for cheap shoes, the saleswoman who sells nonsense to customers? Doesn’t she see salespeople at the market or in grocery stores? But he doesn’t see those who grow, process, and bring these products? And those who stand at machines, work on construction sites, in factories, in transport? Who created everything around her, so smart? Who guards her, protects her, treats her, teaches her, who made the same book, pen, notebook, paper, who? Of course, these 95% are idiots. And what part of these idiots was born and raised in the Union? When everyone was also an idiot, but under supervision? At least a narrow-minded person can treat people this way. But actually, I was just overwhelmed by pride. And there is nothing to be proud of.

[Taoist]

You saw something a little wrong... We are talking about “everyday idiocy” - and perhaps we are all guilty of it. After all, no one seems to be forcing us to buy things that we generally don’t need, to take out “instant loans” to, again, buy a completely unnecessary thing... The point is that 95% of people do not have an innate immunity against manipulation, imposition of behavior patterns, etc. .P. This can be called “everyday idiocy”; you can come up with a more “clever term” - but this is not an insult or even a statement of fact - this is the reality in which we, unfortunately, live.

[a housewife]

I saw everything I needed. In the article, she fully outlined who she considers idiots. But everyone cannot be sized with the same brush. One believes that he is about to win something worthwhile. Grandmothers who lost their health 25-30 years ago and are desperate to somehow treat their illnesses are buying into all sorts of dietary supplements and scammers offering “miracle pills.” Deep down they understand, but they hope that a miracle will happen. A lot of people run around among witches - because of an unhappy life, and not because of a bad head. The husband left, the child dies - what if a witch helps when there is nothing left to hope for. Because of this, they come to sects. But loans... yes, this is purely something that people have learned. Previously there was an installment plan, if you remember. Not a percentage extra than the listed price. What about a mortgage? What's this? What kind of bastard said that apartments were given away for free? There were private houses, there was service housing, there were cooperatives, there were social apartments and those that were “provided” by the enterprise. The person became attached to work. It’s mutually beneficial - we give you an apartment, you work for many years to get it. There was no property for such housing! After all, it turns out that they lived in rented apartments that belonged to the enterprise or the city, but they paid little, because they were given pennies from real earnings, but were kept in full according to the law for everything - construction, education, medicine. The same serfdom, only the serf owner is the state. Thank you, you released me. Like turtles from their shells. and you can even kill each other, arguing about which country is better, and who is the executioner and who is the savior, but ordinary people have never had a good life. But they created the appearance of freedom. So the people went a little crazy. “There are no shackles, but the people are not ready for freedom. There are a lot of rumors and words, but the people are not ripe for freedom.”

[a housewife]

I saw everything I needed. In the article, she fully outlined who she considers idiots. But everyone cannot be sized with the same brush. One believes that he is about to win something worthwhile. Grandmothers who lost their health 25-30 years ago and are desperate to somehow treat their illnesses are buying into all sorts of dietary supplements and scammers offering “miracle pills.” Deep down they understand, but they hope that a miracle will happen. A lot of people run around among witches - because of an unhappy life, and not because of a bad head. The husband left, the child dies - what if a witch helps when there is nothing left to hope for. Because of this, they come to sects. But loans... yes, this is purely something that people have learned. Previously there was an installment plan, if you remember. Not a percentage extra than the listed price. What about a mortgage? What's this? What kind of bastard said that apartments were given away for free? There were private houses, there was service housing, there were cooperatives, there were social apartments and those that were “provided” by the enterprise. The person became attached to work. It’s mutually beneficial - we give you an apartment, you work for many years to get it. There was no property for such housing! After all, it turns out that they lived in rented apartments that belonged to the enterprise or the city, but they paid little, because they were given pennies from real earnings, but were kept in full according to the law for everything - construction, education, medicine. The same serfdom, only the serf owner is the state. Thank you, you released me. Like turtles from their shells. and you can even kill each other, arguing about which country is better, and who is the executioner and who is the savior, but ordinary people have never had a good life. But they created the appearance of freedom. So the people went a little crazy. “There are no shackles, but the people are not ready for freedom. There are a lot of rumors and words, but the people are not ripe for freedom.”

[Vadimsh]

just great

[Mwg]

Judging by the comments, the disadvantages were given by those who did not live in the USSR. The article is great. Everything is just like that. And the ratio of cretins to thinkers is approximately this. I myself have a weakness to observe myself, people, situations. In reality, 90 percent don’t know how to think at all, they live by stereotypes and other people’s ideas. Bravo to the author!

[Oleg Monarchist]

Quote:MVG Judging by the comments, the disadvantages were given by those who did not live in the USSR. The article is great. Everything is just like that.

I put a minus. He lived under the USSR and served in the SA.

And the ratio of cretins to thinkers is approximately this. I myself have a weakness to observe myself, people, situations. In reality, 90 percent don’t know how to think at all, they live by stereotypes and other people’s ideas.

So I understand that you undoubtedly consider yourself to be one of the “thinking”, armed with a powerless herd, which you are simply obliged to make happy with your grandiose ideas of the universal “liberté, egalite and fraternite”. He will perch himself in a regional committee or city committee chair and provide the family with a trough in the special dining room.

Bravo to the author!

[Mwg]

For Oleg Monarchist. Apparently you served unsuccessfully in the SA? )))

[Oleg Monarchist]

Quote:MVG For Oleg Monarchist. Apparently you served unsuccessfully in the SA? )))

Why suddenly? Guards staff Sergeant. Deputy com. platoon Quite successfully

[1536]

The above is reminiscent of the controversy that unfolded in Russian society after the abolition of serfdom. And also some said that the peasants now do not know what to do with this “freedom,” while others said that “what they fought for, they ran into.”
Maybe enough controversy? Is it time for someone to be responsible for the sensors on space rockets? Who, and who for all of us, began to think again, speaking about the 95% of idiots wandering the streets, looking at the green heads growing out of the asphalt, the demolition of historical buildings, etc.? What, you don't like it? Yes, my friend, you are an oligophrenic!

[salavat]

It is always much easier to degrade than to develop, it was so, it is so and it will always be so.

[CONTROL]

Quote: salavat

It is always much easier to degrade than to develop, it was so, it is so and it will always be so.

Dispute between the innkeeper and Socrates:
“Once the owner of a drinking and entertainment establishment sarcastically asked Socrates: “Why are young people so much more willing to go to my establishment than to yours, dear Socrates, philosophical school?”
“Because,” answered Socrates, “your tavern is at the foot of the mountain, and my school is at the top of this mountain.” Going down to the bottom is always easier than going up to the top!”

[Stalnov I.P.]

A good article, there will definitely be negative statements and so on and so forth, but only one thing can be stated, the authorities, the current government will never be able to reach the level of the USSR, there the PEOPLE, the COUNTRY were put at the forefront, and now a bunch of those close to the body have been put in place and managed to grab in the 90s and early 2000s of little people, as well as the unlimited depth of their pockets. It’s simply not even decent to talk about the moral, moral side of power and government, a simple example: 20 million RUSSIAN CITIZENS live below the poverty line and this is according to official statistics, and not according to official ones? here is one of the answers.

[GOGY]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

P.S. And yet, regarding the system, Russia has never tried to break up shaving or mattresses from the inside, but throughout their history, they have tried to do this, including using internal fools or traitors!

That's bad! A lesson for future generations! Well, we can’t achieve peaceful coexistence with the West, it hasn’t been possible since Alexander Nevsky! Something needs to be done... And the article is a huge plus - I’ve been thinking about this for a long time, here it is - the bestial grin of capitalism, the state needs people as taxpayers, pay taxes, for school, for kindergarten, for a doctor, for utilities and live as you want or die, no one cares

[Wolka]

well, yes, it will do for the countryside on the topic of the day, so to speak...

[black]

On the one hand, Comrade Lao Tzu said: “Morality is instilled only by violent methods.” On the other hand, God Almighty, however, provided man with a choice. It is tempting, of course, to line everyone up in orderly ranks towards a bright future... True, in the absence of natural selection, the number of clinical idiots is increasing. And the most outstanding representatives of humanity do not like to march in formation.

[Mwg]

For Black. There were opportunities for the outstanding at any time. And during the USSR too. Natural selection worked the same way during the Soviet era as it does in our time. Losers always cursed the reality around them and drooled over their neighbors' goods. This has always been, is and will be so under any system. But it's not about selection. It’s just that in the USSR there really were equal opportunities for everyone, very close to the ideal. Those who wanted to study studied, those who wanted to work worked, and those who wanted to be a dissident were dissidents. I had several acquaintances who were registered with the KGB for promoting ideas of various kinds and nothing, they lived like everyone else. Only there were no people without a roof over their heads and no hungry people either. You are right, quoting Lao Tzu, the system of hierarchical relations is supported by force, the implementation of the law is ensured by force. And this is correct, because without the law people will be mired in chaos, as was the case in the Russian Federation in the 90s. My opinion.

[salavat]

Quote: CONTROL

Dispute between the innkeeper and Socrates:

In-in!

[chess player]

Excellent article!

[Taoist]

Any idea, even the most sensible one, can be turned into its opposite by simply being taken to the point of absurdity...

“We will drive humanity to happiness with bayonets” and “democratic bombings” are essentially no different.

The only thing that no one has been able to deceive is the laws of physics. And man (and society) exist precisely in the environment of these laws - and, by and large, are an example of “entropic and anti-entropic” processes... The USSR (despite all its problems and shortcomings) was precisely an anti-entropic phenomenon. So what now? not sure.

[Vasili09]

there is no objection to the fact that there are many idiots, the author himself is also one of them, only his idiocy is epistolary, expressed in writing, and not in clothes

[Mstivoy]

I liked the article 5+, but I liked the comments even more, as far as I understood from the posts of those who unsubscribed, the collapse of the USSR was inevitable, almost everyone has an itch in one place and everyone sees themselves better than their interlocutor, these are the first signs of Coca-Cola and chewing gum, someone is bayoneting someone, someone remembers the peasants and the abolition of serfdom, and apparently in these speakers’ heads there really is a correlation between the author’s article and serfdom)

[Denis Skiff]

Interesting. Well, communism didn’t take root. So we need to remember what happened...

[Bell]

good article!

[Tation]

The topic is alive, even though the union has not existed for 25 years. I'll put in my 15 cents. The article is correct. Purely analytical, without appeals or humiliation of possible opponents. I remember my childhood and adolescence. Mother is a secretary-driver at the institute, father is a loader at a vegetable warehouse. At home there are more than 800 different books, a whole small library, which I, then still a schoolboy, also had a hand in accumulating. Everyone read it - my sister and I, and our parents. And so it was with neighbors and relatives. The guy even had the Great Soviet Encyclopedia, almost all of it, except for one or two volumes. Plus, they subscribed to a bunch of periodicals - magazines, newspapers, almanacs. And I personally was enrolled in half of the city’s libraries, borrowing readings for myself and my father at the same time. The most chic thing was when my mother transferred to work in an office that had its own departmental library, the largest in the city, which I personally crawled up and down. And now there is no bookcase in my house, only one shelf with special literature for work. There are a lot of saved e-books, but there is no time to read them and the saddest desire is. As for the fact that there’s already a lot of information on the Internet and TV... there’s nothing valuable there out of 120 channels in the box, I watch 2-3 news channels and my wife put 5 more in her favorites, but you can’t watch them all day - they play the same thing, plus advertising, the remaining 100-odd channels are slag. There are certainly a lot of interesting things on the Internet, but people are not very interested in them now.

[SPACE]

Great article! Although it’s an extreme thing, fighting fire with fire is also an extreme and not a popular measure, the author can understand what lengths one will go to in the fight against extreme manifestations of everyday idiocy. And about 95% percent, the author is also right, although with the caveat that it was just a label, in fact, human stupidity is not a constant value and can vary widely from “-” to “+” infinity, not only throughout life, but also for many during the day, and it would be boring without it, the world of smart people, logically, should be even darker. We need a golden mean, for which we need a mechanism of self-regulation and, what is thousands of times more important, a mechanism for the transfer or immortality of power. Which is exactly what is being created, but of course not within the framework of democracy and liberalism as a necessity for equals, on such a basis it cannot be created and even these concepts themselves do not exist in nature and are not provided for, because freedom and equality at the same time, in a living world, are opposites and a utopia . It will be, as an example, in a small cell of society, a family, where there is a clear hierarchy and a supreme council of elders such as the Great Pontiff, using the example of Rome, the leading role of the Consul and a driven majority, free to a certain extent and equal but only among themselves, controlled from above.

[rifets]

I miss the USSR!

[sogdianec]

Quote: rifets

I miss the USSR!

We'll all be there, sooner or later...

[Old warrior]

Heartwarming article.

[ZaSU-24]

Yeltsin is already in HELL, the hunchback will soon...

[Python Kaa]

The article is correct, only the author ruined everything by trying, for the sake of a catchphrase, to use a banality about 95% of morons (the site’s censorship does not allow the correct spelling of the word)). After all, debility is a medical term meaning mental retardation. It would be more correct to say that only 5% of the population, and indeed any population in the animal world, are able to make a choice in favor of development and subordinate the rest to their will. The rest are just lazy and driven. They are not morons, in the strict sense of the meaning of the word. Moreover, if we isolate a group of “morons,” then 5% of them will immediately become “nonmorons” and begin to make responsible decisions that motivate the remaining 95 percent. Or, on the contrary, destructive. These are the laws of organization of human society and such is the role of the individual in history.

[_RAD_]

If a kindergarten does not set itself the task of preparing children for life outside of it, but sets the task of ridding children of cones, then this is a bad kindergarten.
If a kindergarten sets itself the task of preparing children for life outside of it, but fails to cope with it, then it is still a bad kindergarten. If a kindergarten sets itself the task of preparing children for life outside of it, but this life does not in any way correspond to the kindergarten’s ideas about such a thing, then this is a dangerous kindergarten.

[Jackking]

What embittered liberal still downvotes!?

[akm8226]

Exactly!

[muhacece]

space is ours space is ours
space is ours

[Oleg Monarchist]

So space is truly ours.

Is it like the Euro and American homeless people are watching the launch of a Russian rocket?

[Indifferent]

Many thanks to the author! It's a pity I can only give one plus! +++++++++

[Iga M]

There are so many comments, it’s just nice. The article is wonderful and necessary. Russia doesn’t need democracy, Russians need kicks and everything will be fine with us!

[muhacece]

Why is there no news about how today Kabaev crap himself with the eastern

[Oleg Monarchist]

You're a little grimy, it's better to worry about your Moldova, who you have there and where you crap yourself.

[Sartorius]

Apparently you were sitting under the rocket when it launched. There is no need to allow any more Gasters from Moldova there.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Mahmut

let those tombs who ruined the USSR be damned

Well, where was she, this notorious defense against a fool.

What protection? The union was destroyed from above, and the liberal element for Coca-Cola played along from below.

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Let's start with the fact that there was practically no design school in the Russian Empire. What was in service ?! A rifle of the Berdan system (Mosin was adopted in 1891, in my opinion), a Nagant pistol, a Maxim or Lewis machine gun, tanks, either French or English, planes (except for Muromets) are entirely French! There was not enough artillery, not enough shells, not enough cartridges! But there was an abundance of cannon fodder, our soldiers "holy man" Nikolashka sold to France, so that the French planted our artillery and shells to her.

I don’t want to criticize the USSR, but a small remark to the 1st WW: the production of shells, guns and cartridges in Russia was quite sufficient, but most military orders were transferred to private owners, while state factories sat without orders, and this despite the fact that their products was cheaper and of the same quality. In such conditions, private traders quickly emptied the treasury with their expensive products. Who do you think distributed/gave orders to private owners? Of course, state people who had their jackpot from this. Now look what’s going on with our state defense orders and how “patriotic” top managers are raising prices for their products, even with the best intentions. Hence the simple conclusion - in any system of control/power there must be so-called “negative feedback”, which stabilizes the functioning of the system, preventing it from going “out of whack”! For the countries of the East, this was the power of the monarch, which cemented the people of the country and kept them from rebellion. This is also true for Russia. In modern conditions, private interest should be balanced by state interests, and this requires appropriate legislation, which has not yet been built in the Russian Federation. This is also hampered by the commitment of our “elite” to the theory of liberal capitalism, in line with which the invisible hand of the market will regulate everything itself. This myth is implanted in their heads by Western economic education. This is the main factor in restraining the development of Russia by the West for its subsequent collapse into vassal principalities due to further lag in technology. Russia's very acceptance of the rules of the game established by the West is a precursor to its defeat. The question is: a return to building socialism, taking into account the mistakes made, or the slow death of the state of Russia. Hence all the actions of the West towards Russia; their words cannot be trusted, but their greed must be used to their advantage.

[amulika]

Good article. The essence of current reality reflects well.

[tracer]

I remembered how drunk Yeltsin conducted orchestras during the withdrawal of troops from the GDR, how he danced to “sailor song”, how “Damn Clinton” supported him so that he would not fall out from behind the presidential nightstand at a speech in Washington (never shown on TV in Russia). I remembered...... and swore. Thank God we went through this, Russia has its own path of development of civilization. I hope this is completely clear to many thinking people.

[von_Tilsit]

It's a pity for the USSR, this is my Motherland. I was a pioneer, I didn’t reach the Komsomol anymore. Reforms and treatment were needed. And the country, like that patient, was stabbed to death right on the operating table. Stealthily, with a scalpel under the rib. Remember those crowds of Muscovites in 1991 on the capital’s streets under the tricolors. General delight, rejoicing, hopes for a “new, better life.” Remember Govorukhin, indignant at the Soviet soldiers who tried to restore order in rebellious Vilnius. I was 11 years old, and where were YOU, gentlemen and ladies?! WHERE WERE YOU WHEN YOU WERE KILLING THE COUNTRY THAT RAISED YOU?! Did you sit in the kitchens or jump on the streets in a thirst for change?

[vippersona]

You can say a lot about education in the USSR, but the 90s were organized by the students of this regime. My point is that the state is a state, but human nature cannot be changed. You can roll your eyes and say how everyone around you is, or you can admit the fact that the grass was the same before. And the people are the same. Whatever values ​​were imposed, it was only when the chance to break the business came that many people took up arms. Culture, education, morality - everything went downhill. Therefore, keeping it under control is one thing, but raising smart, humane people is another.

[Chaplain]

-What ancient Greek god do you think the USSR resembles?
-Hmm, probably Cupid.
-Why?
-With a bare bottom and armed to the teeth.

[believed]

I wonder how old the girl from the FSB is who so pathetically wants to change her life for the better :-D. In principle, it is well written (you can see the impulse to think through everything better than God). But I, personally, CHOOSE KARDASHIAN’S ASS! I don’t know why Kardashian’s ass irritates the author so much, as for me it’s such a perfect object (we must give credit to the creator), definitely worthy of attention. I want to explain my choice... Literally 5 years ago I thought approximately like an author. Its cool! The state takes care of you (although all this is a pitchfork across the water, even during the times of the USSR, much of what is described here was in a slightly different light) You can show care in different ways. For example, the US government showed concern for its citizens by listening to these same citizens for their own safety. Some will agree with such “concern”, but others will not. The most valuable thing a person has in his life is the opportunity to make choices. Even if from the point of view of a successful person, this choice is unsuccessful. But it is yours, this is a piece of your life, from which, if necessary, you will learn a lesson.

[Taoist]

They’ve already done this in a certain country... Yesterday literally in Elenovka... And even an unborn child ended up losing not only his choice but his life itself...
In order to learn a lesson, you must at least survive...

[Zhnec]

Marina is beautiful... That's right.

[Tired]

The article completely ignored the most important point - in the form in which constant pressure on a person is presented, this is no longer education, but the cultivation of a greenhouse plant. Responsibility is a consequence of having the opportunity to choose; if there is no choice, then there is no responsibility. When the USSR collapsed, how many people fought for it? They really tried to interfere with the process, rather than going to a referendum “on preservation” and immediately going home. And how many simply decided that the authorities are right simply because they are the authorities? And this attitude towards people with power (almost like gods) is a consequence of a complete lack of responsibility. The original idea of ​​the advice is not the idea of ​​running around with a handkerchief for every healthy forehead. This is the idea of ​​​​transferring power to work collectives to instill in them collective responsibility, which is instilled in them not by the party and the government (which is simply impossible), but by participation in the management of the means of production that belong to them.

[LeftPers]

Thanks for the article, a very correct article. Of course, there were negative moments in the USSR, but what is happening now is complete chaos.

[Alex von Dorn]

I do not agree with the author on many of his premises. “Restriction of freedom” turns out to be a blessing...Very interesting! Yes, freedom is different from freedom, but the main thing in a person’s life is to have a choice. And if your choice does not limit the lives of others, does not violate laws and generally accepted norms, it should be. And don’t tell fairy tales about the sweet and correct life in everything in the USSR. Why did he collapse then? What is correct and in accordance with the laws of nature and humanity blooms and develops, but HE collapsed. And rightly so. We have Russia, let's deal with it, and not cry for the dead.

[454545]

5 percent of dissidents are better off in Siberia, but 95 percent live well than vice versa

[Jurkovs]

Bravo! Finally, at least someone had the courage to tell the people the truth. It is very possible that it is too late, and the ordinary people simply will not understand anything. And according to science it is called kuguatia. Kuguat is a subject with an underdeveloped intellect, whose intelligence is replaced by assertiveness, cruelty, cunning and the confidence that he knows everything better than anyone else. Self-affirms through violence. The main occupation is oppression and humiliation of others. Lives in overpopulated societies. Unfortunately, kuguatia is becoming the norm of behavior in society, and it is becoming increasingly difficult for normal people to survive, especially in large cities, and they are forced to withdraw into their narrow little world. Which in turn does not benefit society and does not stop it from falling into the abyss. Once upon a time during the Renaissance, individual Lights were able to unwind this spring into an era of prosperity and progress. Now this spring is coiled back. The brain was given to us in order to get food in ANY way and fuck a strange female that turns up. But we no longer see the stars, we can’t see them in cities. The main thing is to eat, sleep and humiliate someone to satisfy your sense of leadership.

[Villiam wolf]

I don’t agree with everything, but the article is good!

[wanderer_032]

Strongly said and interestingly written!

[2nd 12th]

Some time ago I came across this military idea on the Internet, which I liked in relation to my military service in the army.

“The majority is always in an animal state and in order for these animals and their cubs to survive, the army and the country not to be plundered, themselves and others not to be killed, a reasonable minority needs to take care of them - control these devils, introduce useful skills to them, pacify them, etc. It makes no sense to explain the reasons to them, to reason with them, since they are essentially “animals” and will not be able to understand anything. Manage firmly and firmly, and I will support you!"
(From a speech by the division commander to young officers, 1988)
I remember the words of my commander: “Soldiers are children. Only with big balls.” Everything is as it is. And “fingers in the socket” can, and “play with matches”...
Everything is said exactly. The author expanded these thoughts to the borders of the country.
The article is correct! I agree with the author.