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Ministry of Defense plans to develop a new flamethrower system

The Russian military department is considering the possibility of creating a new long-range, heavy flame-thrower, the modernization of the existing systems has already been carried out, reports RIA News a message from the head of the defense order for the defense ministry, Mikhail Osyko.

“The heavy flamethrowing systems (systems) have already passed modernization. Currently, an additional development of a new flamethrower complex of increased range of destruction is being considered, ”Osyko said.

In addition, according to the colonel, the Ministry of Defense "is carrying out comprehensive work, which involves the use of a single aiming-launching device for both simple rocket-propelled grenade launchers and flamethrowers."

“We are doing this work, I think it will be completed in the near future,” said Osyko.
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  1. Stoler
    Stoler April 24 2016 09: 42
    In about ! Woke up.
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog April 24 2016 09: 52
      Damn yes Solntsepek range current add km to 40 and what for no longer what you do not need !!!
      1. sufix
        sufix April 24 2016 11: 20
        It's not just range that's important. There is always something to strive for, the only question is why they start to reinvent the wheel every time? Why do "new" when there are a million different options to modernize the old? For example, add satellite guidance, modify missiles, revise loading mechanisms, etc. For example, the unified modernization of nourses will give an increase at once on all platforms used, and not a single new combat unit with an incredible investment of money. So here they did not go far from overseas "friends". Like theirs, the aggravation of international relations is another additional opportunity for the owners of the arms business to earn money. IMHO my personal opinion.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi April 24 2016 16: 28
          Because any system has the limits of modernization. And the closer to these limits, the more expensive modernization is. In principle, you can bring the T-72 to the level of T-90. But it does not make the slightest sense. Bo the limit of possibilities of the very modernization will be exhausted, and the cost received will be equal to the new T-90. But only the new T-90’s modernization potential will not be exhausted. And in a few years, by penny investments, it will become the equivalent of a pair of the nowhere modernized T-72s. And where is the meaning asked?
          And the second one. New missiles with GLONAS navigation and other blah blah blah, this is certainly wonderful. But ... There is one BUT. Investing in new equipment is certainly more expensive than a new type of ammunition. That's just the equipment we buy once, and we spend thousands of ammunition. The installation of new air sights, for example, allows the VKS to use bombs not just from the Second World War, with approximately the same effect as the Americans get by launching new-fangled missiles worth hundreds of thousands of dollars per item
      2. just exp
        just exp April 24 2016 13: 45
        tornado has thermobaric ammunition, they will think something else.
        1. Roman 57 rus
          Roman 57 rus April 24 2016 23: 20
          I agree with you. I think that thanks to the GPS the system will be able to use weapons on the go. Well, the range can be slightly increased to operate beyond the ranges of promising (!) Foreign ATGMs. The photo below shows a shot at the TOC.
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy April 24 2016 19: 18
      Quote: Stoler
      In about ! Woke up.

      Make a mistake, dear. It's time to cut, but nothing lay nearby. Hence the topic.
    3. Arkhan
      Arkhan April 25 2016 20: 10
      I don’t want to prove anything to you. Just leave it here
      You decide what to do with it.
  2. Primipilus
    Primipilus April 24 2016 09: 50
    The main range to increase.
    1. 31rus2
      31rus2 April 24 2016 09: 57
      Dear, not only range, but accuracy, a new chassis or platform, are also necessary, of course, ideally you need a projectile, a rocket for a rzso with volumetric detonating properties or as in assault flamethrowers, with the possibility of breaking through an obstacle and volumetric detonating explosion
  3. Hubun
    Hubun April 24 2016 09: 56
    A lot of infections divorced, and burn it with such systems
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 24 2016 09: 57
    Yeah, up to 40 kilometers! Oh, fried barmaley from the Syrian desert - for breakfast, lunch and dinner. While we had to "drive up" to them for 5-6 km. Too close, too long. And with such a range - wow. As they learn that the convoy arrived at the regional center - not a single barmaley in the area - they fled.
  5. PKK
    PKK April 24 2016 09: 58
    Range and accuracy are now playing an increasingly important role. The main thing is saving time. Until you reach the launch point, you need time. And so you can fire several targets from one area. And went to the bathhouse and have lunch.
  6. nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 April 24 2016 09: 59
    It will be interesting. True, I only saw how the “Bumblebee” works - very beautifully. In general, I like the TOCs - I fired in one gulp - and several square km were cleared
    1. max73
      max73 April 24 2016 12: 12
      last week at the training ground of the Shikhanskaya brigade, where they are experiencing TOC, something was smoking so cool, sorry, it wasn’t visible from the track ...)))
  7. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 24 2016 10: 09
    The range is 40 km, you say))) And in this case, what to do with the warhead? Instead of the current tank of napalm, put a test tube of alcohol?))) Although I would very much like to increase the range and accuracy. Preferably without turning into a Tornado-type monster (in size).
    1. Ride78
      Ride78 April 24 2016 12: 19
      Well, if you put on Armata and reduce, say, to 32 guides, then you can achieve 20-30 km. This is enough for CBT.
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat April 24 2016 14: 30
        Reduce to 32 guides? laughing
        TOC-1 - 30 guides
        TOS-1M - 24 guides
        1. Ride78
          Ride78 April 25 2016 11: 48
          Well, mixed up with hail, which immediately minus? Well, not to reduce the guides, but on the basis of Almaty to make them longer, the platform allows, thereby increasing the shells themselves for range.
  8. Izotovp
    Izotovp April 24 2016 10: 15
    Recently there was an interview with the UVZ designer and he said that there will be about 28 products on the Armatov platform. CBT, I think it will be there too. And the range of a more powerful platform will also increase.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv April 24 2016 10: 26
      Quote: Izotovp
      CBT, I think there will also be

      CBT in Armata? Only as a drone.
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp April 24 2016 11: 13
        By the way, why not ?! It does not provide for direct combat. They advanced, dismounted, brought to the turn of the opening of fire in remote mode and curled back.
  9. Tusv
    Tusv April 24 2016 10: 18
    At the moment, the development of a new flamethrower complex with an increased range of destruction is being considered

    I vote for the name Papa Carlo, otherwise Pinocchio Orphan
    1. tol100v
      tol100v April 24 2016 12: 00
      Quote: Tusv
      I vote for the name Papa Carlo, otherwise Pinocchio Orphan

      You can also "Karabas-Barabas"! Increases in range, accuracy and power are welcome!
  10. Pitot
    Pitot April 24 2016 10: 30
    Better Malvina - Pinocchio's girlfriend
    1. Tusv
      Tusv April 24 2016 10: 42
      Quote: Pitot
      Better Malvina - Pinocchio's girlfriend

      I fully agree. Papa Carlo postponed to the next version of CBT laughing
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 April 24 2016 10: 48
      Quote: Pitot
      Better Malvina - Pinocchio's girlfriend

      Malvina - Pierrot's friend ... somehow not quite friendly No.
      If "Buratino" scared everyone, then Karabas Barabas will be something ... fellow
      1. Tusv
        Tusv April 24 2016 11: 53
        Quote: yuriy55
        If "Buratino" has scared everyone, then Karabas Barabas will be something ..

        Grandfather Mazay even wrote a great song. Perhaps under this case laughing
        Karabas drumas knocked over the bass, the duremar fled into the bushes.

        The truth is very lyrical. But to add fusa and hoarseness in the vocals ala "Professor Lebedinsky", add dynamics to the thermobolic projectile and "First Ray" will sound deadly.
        I hope Sergey Vladimirovich will not do this.
        So Malvina is a better name. Brief and tasteful
        1. bddrus
          bddrus April 24 2016 16: 41
          late cotton wool! burned long ago, cyborgs have already declassified the new CBT and even the name "Chebureshka"
  11. atamankko
    atamankko April 24 2016 10: 33
    Very well conceived.
  12. ovod84
    ovod84 April 24 2016 10: 44
    Well then, we wish the military good luck in this matter
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 24 2016 11: 00
    is considering the creation of a new long-range heavy flamethrower

    Ours will create and put into operation. Moreover, there will be buyers for this military equipment. But I would like to ask svp67who so actively defended Ukrainian industry yesterday, but what can they (Ukrainians) still have?
    - tanks of an incomprehensible design, supposedly for military operations in urban conditions;
    - armored vehicles in which the armor is cracking during testing;
    - and where are the famous ANs?
    - and as for the missiles, we can only say that Ukraine has done the only positive thing for itself - it sold for money all the documentation of the USSR on US missiles.
    Therefore, whatever you say about the fact that the Ukrainian industry can, you can only answer with what it can according to the principle "I blinded him from what was ...). And Russia, as it worked, is working.
  14. AlexTires
    AlexTires April 24 2016 11: 03
    Well, they wrote about the development of the new system last year, so the only curious thing is what characteristics the new CBTs will have ... Yes, and it won’t happen that first we will work for export again, and then, with a delay of a couple of years - on yourself?
  15. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 24 2016 11: 42
    That's right, "Solntsepek" is a good thing, but the range is too small, so it is necessary to create a type of modernization.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 24 2016 16: 32
      Quote: Ros 56
      That's right, "Solntsepek" is a good thing, but the range is too small, so it is necessary to create a type of modernization.

      They will move it to the platform of Almaty. The range will increase, which has long been done. I suppose that 30-40 km is quite enough, although with our Kulibins you can also expect range of 100 km. Well, increase the accuracy so that the TOS will become a high-precision weapon.
  16. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 24 2016 12: 38
    It would be better if they created new MLRS.
  17. igordok
    igordok April 24 2016 12: 42
    But interestingly, the new TOC will be left to chemists or given to the gunners.
    1. KCA
      KCA April 25 2016 08: 39
      chemists will be left, according to some international convention, the use of flamethrowers for conducting hostilities is prohibited, but for chemists they somehow disinfect the territory from all kinds of cockroaches :-)
  18. borisov1
    borisov1 April 24 2016 12: 47
    Thermobaric shells have RZSO Smerch. Thermobaric shell 9M216,100kg charge, range 70 km. They have thermobaric shells and other Russian multiple launch rocket systems.
  19. smith7
    smith7 April 24 2016 12: 51
    TOS-1A is a heavy flame-retardant system. And for me, it does not differ from the City or the Hurricane. Even the caliber matches Hurricane 9M27. The 9M27 range is much greater than Pinocchio. This is due to the fact that the engine is shorter, and there is much more combat equipment in the ammunition. Due to the fact that the range is small and the fire mixture is flammable, the artillery unit with a package of guides armored from bullets and shrapnel is mounted on a T72 tank. Flamethrower system? Yes, if you pour the same composition into a standard rocket (and there are some! For example 9M27K3 or whatever it is) we get an MLRS. Why spend taxpayer money on upgrading the system in terms of range, when you can make a rocket with a fire mixture. The thing is that the status of the RCB protection troops says "defeats the enemy using flame-throwing incendiary means." Without this line, the troops of the RHBZ are no longer troops but service. And the chief of the troops is not a lieutenant general, but a major general. And taxpayers pay for these "show-offs".
  20. gorunov
    gorunov April 25 2016 08: 34
    Range increase = warhead weight reduction
    Accordingly, in the new complex there will most likely be fewer missiles, but they will be larger (so that the weight of the delivered warhead is enough to solve a combat mission)
  21. kvampaku
    kvampaku April 25 2016 09: 08
    Something smacks of an arms race ...
  22. tnk1969
    tnk1969 April 25 2016 14: 20
    A year ago, Ragozin said that Russian scientists and industrialists created a new type of fuel for missiles. And thanks to this latest formula, the creation of hypersonic missiles is possible. Is it possible to upgrade old TOS ammunition using this fuel? After achieving this quality of fuel combustion, you can increase the range of ammunition. If wrong, consult. Are there any specialists?
    1. S-kerrigan
      S-kerrigan April 26 2016 15: 27
      Not an ounce is not special, but there is an opinion that rockets fly where the atmosphere is more rarefied. A projectile-rocket from the TOS fly "nizenko-nizenko" and hypersound is practically unrealistic (very difficult-costly) for a whole range of design tasks.
  23. strelok-54
    strelok-54 April 27 2016 00: 26
    Quote: Roman 57 rus
    I agree with you. I think that thanks to the GPS the system will be able to use weapons on the go. Well, the range can be slightly increased to operate beyond the ranges of promising (!) Foreign ATGMs. The photo below shows a shot at the TOC.

    If a real war starts, there will be no GPS.